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Sign of the Times with guest Halbert Katzen · Urantia Radio

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Welcome to the ranch Radio podcast.
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I'm Jim Watkins. Howard.
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Katzen is the founder and creator of you.
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Be the news.com, as well as his latest Venture you be
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annotated.com. I consider Howard to be a
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researcher of the finest order of all things.
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Your aunt, you and certainly A contributor to much of the
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academic research done over the decades research that validates,
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the ranch over in this conversation Halbert and I
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discussed the upcoming solar eclipse and its unique ties to
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Urantia statements and specifically his views on not
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hesitate personality. We talked about at length in the
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previous podcast. And so, let's welcome.
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However, cats into the show, is from 2006 been working with the
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and the founder of creation. Creator of the, you be the news
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project which adds a scholarly approach to studying and
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Examining The Ranch Revelation, so high, halberd, how are you?
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I'm doing good. Jim, thanks so much for having
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me on your show, really appreciate it, but one of the
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things, one of the reasons that we have you on these podcasts,
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this will be your third appearance is because we you
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have always been an inspiration. To me in providing anecdotal are
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evidence towards the validity, validity of the the papers.
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And in most recent times, there's a particular event going
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on right now, which we'll talk about.
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Out having to do with Melchizedek match, Aventa, who
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I've become quite a fan of in the last few weeks, and all the
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reading I've been catching up on, and we're going to expound
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on who he is. What what, what I think is
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pretty important stuff because we could be in the middle of the
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tribulation period And I think Halbert with that introduction,
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you attended the last solar eclipse that we had back in.
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In 2017 and you are now living in that area where the solar
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eclipse occurred, and there's going to be another one in 2024.
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So can you tell us? First of all, the significance
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of the eclipse and why you're in Southern Illinois?
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Well yes, there's a number of questions in that.
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Of course why I'm here with is significant of it is and how it
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all converges. And and it's fair to say that
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being in this area is very much related to a particular branch
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of research and study AIDs that I've been doing for the last
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Last few years and you mentioned.
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I got started almost 15 years ago now or so.
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With the you be the news project that documented and continues to
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document how new discoveries in scientific advances are
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increasingly supporting the history.
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And Urantia book where the authors of course put their
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credibility on the line with that aspect of the Revelation,
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you know, saying that Going to keep catching up to it that way.
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And, you know, one of the things that sort of known for his doing
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like research and Reporting and taking a less mystical, you
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might say, approach to it, not to be cynical about people's
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personal inner experiences, but I'm more of an academic type.
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And so the EB, the news project eventually We evolved into a
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broader annotation project in topical, studies project.
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And when that type of General work led to a lot of focus on
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the eclipses because they came up on our radar with such
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spectacular degrees of intrigue, you know, as relates to the your
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ration book because the first eclipse in 2017.
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Is on August 21st, which is Jesus birthday.
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And the second eclipse on the seven years later is on April 8,
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which is the day in the team, according to the Urantia book.
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So and someone who like to do research and annotations and
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study aids for the ranch of, look, this for obvious reasons,
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became extremely intriguing. You know, to get started within
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the more, I looked into the more interesting.
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It it became so, you know, in short, that's why I really
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enjoyed to be out here right now.
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I don't know exactly what the future holds, but as far as the
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work I do, this is The most fun place to talk to people about it
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because this is where people are most directly related to the
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intersecting eclipses. And so, you know, just getting a
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conversation started that way out here probably get, I don't
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know what percentage but, you know, probably pretty good
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percentage of awareness a better awareness than you might get in
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other areas. So you're talking to people that
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are familiar with the Rancho book or you are talking to
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people who are familiar with the when you first found out that
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the, the second Eclipse which is coming in 2024 and you first
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just realized, oh wait, that's you know how profound was that
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what happened? How did you react to that when
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you first sort of put the pieces together?
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Right. Well, you know, I think you
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mentioned during your comments and correctly that I came out
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here in 2017 for that first Eclipse, but I was living in
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California at the time, and I moved out here and in mid
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December of last year of 2021. So, I've just been out here,
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almost seven months now, I guess.
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So I guess, I thought that because you were in your
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newsletter, you were telling people that that you were there
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for the event. So, I So I falsely assumed that
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you had made the trip for that specific event.
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So I stand corrected No, no, I don't think so.
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I think the first time I made the trip for the event in 2017
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and then I went back to where I lived in California.
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I send that first about here was for the event and only for the
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event. And, you know, I came the event
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happened. I left seven months ago.
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I moved out here. Rights.
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Arising the tea different. Well, it must have made an
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impact as you came back. Yeah, yes more recently though
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because I moved out here and is people may not be aware of
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exactly. And should be said, specifically
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at the Bald Knob crosses piece, which is almost the exact
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intersection of the path of these two full solar eclipses on
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peculiar dates related to Jesus life or important dates related
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to Jesus life. They built that hundred eleven
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foot cross is part of having an Easter Sunrise celebration.
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An Interfaith Easter celebration for people in this community has
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been going on Bald Knob since the early 30s and then the cross
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was I guess completed in 1963 the year after I was born.
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So we're about the same age there and and so, I thought
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Wouldn't it be nice to get one of those big you do antelope
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shofars? To take to the Easter Sunrise
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Service? What's a shofar?
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What's a shofar? The like a shofar, a
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hollowed-out animal horn. That is used in judeo.
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Christian religious ceremonies and celebrations.
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I see the original far specify Hide in the Old Testament, is a
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Ram's Horn. And so that's what's blown at
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the New Year's Russia, China service each year and
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nonetheless, the to do antelope from Yemen, not too far away.
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And it's a bigger Longer, more fun type of foreign and just,
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you know, sort of got adopted into the Christian cultures of
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religious celebration. Just because So, darn much fun
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as far as hollowed-out animal there in the sky.
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You know, what can I say? That's great.
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You found your passion. Yeah, these kind of things
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Cohen, which was a descendant of Aaron Moses brother.
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And so does bear mentioning that I suppose, my ancestors were
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responsible for For the prophecies in the Old Testament.
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I'm probably about as directly related to them as well.
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Kidding. You can get.
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Yeah. Well, that's what What kind of
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got fed up 3,000 years ago? And so it's certainly intriguing
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to me that I started coming around to taking an interest in
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this after all these years of not taking an interest in it and
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really kind of moving on from my Jewish roots and in studies that
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way. And the Urantia book is really
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brought together Prophecies from the Old Testament and the New
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Testament and put them together with the revelations of this
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epochal communication. And, you know, his added
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richness to the study of all of that.
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You know, I should have perhaps been more sensitive, two decades
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ago and I first started reading me Rancho book but you know, it
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just didn't seem so timely I guess until then.
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Oops has showed up and then so they're like the most intriguing
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thing I could think about. So let's talk about that more
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because that's the whole point that you and I are talking right
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now. You think that Melchizedek,
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okay? So first of all, let's explain
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to those who may not have a wide understanding that we have to
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set, I guess a couple of premises in order to appreciate
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the fullness of We're about to discuss one of them is that one
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of them is that our our world or our place here on this planet is
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not just random. There Are Spiritual
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administrators, who care very much about our progress.
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And they've been here the whole time, and this is what the ranch
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a book says. And part of this process, is
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that there is a seraphic, planetary government, which
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simply states that we are under the watch care and
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administration of celestial forces.
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And spiritual personalities, it's nothing more, nothing less,
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if you want to get into the Weeds about it, but that's the
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basic, you know, premise that we're took discussing at the
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head of the table at this time. Is this Persona age named much.
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Aventa. Melchizedek who is described as
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a high Son of God Christ is who he serves Michael Jesus, and he
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was sent here or he came or he has been part of our history for
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eons of time, which is all detailed in the ranch of papers.
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But we're going to talk about here is why we believe this
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person or how bird wants to elaborate perhaps on why these
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times are significant. Because it, it opens the door to
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the realization that this Melchizedek may be coming and he
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met Harold in. A new Epoch and that a lot of
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what we're going on now. Maybe a, what would you call it?
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However Dupree. I don't know.
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Like a precursor but let's go having said all of that.
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Now it's your turn. So thank you.
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That's a good foundation. As you're suggesting, you know,
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it's good to get a little Foundation, all of this, and you
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know, maybe in that Spirit of it's really kind of going step
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by step with some ideas and keeping them as accessible as
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possible and and relevant as possible.
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Let me just pick up a little more.
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The blowing the shofar story out here in Southern Illinois
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because I've been learning a lot about.
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Indicating with people over the last several months, simply
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because before the I got the show for about a month before
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Easter this year, and as shofar is a very unforgiving
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instrument. I want to tell you, you know,
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anything it is, you know, maybe a horn of God, but, you know,
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God is forgiving in the shofar is not you.
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Either blow Oh that thing, right?
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Or it just sounds awful and it is so easy to blow it wrong.
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It takes a lot of focus. So, I didn't want to disturb my
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neighbors too much. So, I walked away from where I'm
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living apartments here and, you know, wandered towards the
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University where they have a power plant and it's always
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making noise. Anyways, in those an open field
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nearby wants to be around there and I started to practice a
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little bit before Easter, but it wasn't very far from where I
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lived and not enough for exercise.
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And so I eventually just Well, I just keep walking around campus
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for the exercise and I still had my shofar with me and I kept
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blowing, you know, and first I wasn't too comfortable with the
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whole thing, but increasingly got more comfortable with the
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whole process of doing it and talking to people about it.
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And so, both blowing better notes and having better
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conversations developed Together.
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And So when people ask me, you know, and they're curious about
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it and how does that conversation develop?
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As I mentioned you know it's a cue to Antelope horn and a lot
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of people just have some curiosity at the basic level of
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what is it and they don't have any more curiosity much beyond
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that or time or interest, or whatever and I tend not to To
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push the conversation about why I'm blowing the horn and, you
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know, larger aspects of it all. Unless it seems like there's a
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real opening and increasingly it seems, as I've gotten better
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with my conversation about this, people are coming up to me with
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more interest, maybe because it denotes are getting blown better
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that help. But it gets into conversation
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about, why am I doing it? And what's it mean to me?
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And that's where I share with people that I've been doing some
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research on the eclipses, etre criss-crossing out in this area
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and its course because I live in the area, it's an easy thing to
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reference and and I mentioned to them that I've been doing.
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In some research that seems to unravel that mystery about why
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the Jews didn't accept Jesus. And that's where milk is it that
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comes in. And and I mentioned, you know,
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are you familiar with to Melchizedek is in the Old
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Testament and a lot of people will say, no, and I'll just
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mention that Abraham gave money to milk his attack after after a
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battle, and that in Psalms, it says, the Messiah will come Ever
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After the order of Melchizedek and let, it's a big mystery and
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you know, no one really has been able to figure it out very well.
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And then I told them I've been reading a book for the last 40
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years that was published about 70 years ago, almost now.
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And it says that Jesus was born August 21st in the day in the
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tumors April 8. And those are the dates of the
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eclipses and England out weird. And and it seems like this
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Melchizedek figure works for Jesus and is due to come back
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and Sofia. All the prophecies that Jesus
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didn't fulfill. And so, you know, in about two
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minutes time and under to I give people a bunch of information
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that ties together. The solving of the mystery that
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everyone cares about to some degree, because the sex the
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world so much, you know. And so just on that level there
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is relatedness and Of course, with the eclipse is being local.
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There's that type of relatedness and I'm of peculiar character
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walking around with the forefoot shofar and blowing it.
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So it has a sound that might say really Prime's people for the
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occasion of the conversation to a large degree even though some
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people are much more open than others and some people have more
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of the Judea Christian awareness and others now you're not
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Wearing a white robe and you're not.
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Do you have a beard? Are you calling yourself Enoch?
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Any of that? Kind of, I hope you have a good
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sense of humor, but your you've created a picture for us.
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So I think what you're doing. Look at that very well you know
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but it's interesting because you touch on is something which is
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that you are through just your natural, your drawing people in
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and the way that you tell them the story makes it like wow this
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is kind of interesting. So focus it lets I want to get
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get to that because this is a big deal you.
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This is what I know about you, you've been heralding, this
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message that Then the time is at hand.
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Do you believe that this is the time at hand?
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Oh yes, I definitely do this seven year period.
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We're in a time of tribulation that's referred to and talked
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about in Christianity and that this seven years between the
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eclipse is related to the Prophecies of Isaiah that are
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referenced in the Urantia book along with prophecies from
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Revelation and why. thanks by Peter, and let's all put
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together and and it's been a process of You know, figuring
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out what to believe and my relationship to it all and what
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to do about it, all has definitely been a very evolving
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process. That is hardly complete.
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But still, you know, as I said back in in the approach towards
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the first Eclipse, I said, I think it's very possible Mac
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event to milk. His back could show up for the
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first Eclipse. It's not been bribed by this
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second eclipse and possibly anywhere.
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In between, you know the funny thing was when I first became
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aware of the eclipses, it wasn't on my mind right away that this
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year. 2021 is the fourth down. Thousand anniversary of milk is
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a tactic arriving on the planet and you know, starting to teach
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Abraham and all the people around that area of Israel.
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So that makes this year and interesting year, I don't know
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any particular date. You know, is of particular
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significance. I'm gonna enjoy Celebrating
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Jesus birthday at the cross. No doubt this coming August.
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But you know, I don't Really know obviously it's not what I
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want to say. Most specifically is I don't
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have mystical experiences where, you know, like I hear a voice,
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it says, X, Y or Z. I'm just not having those types
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of experiences. I'm doing research in.
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The more research I do, the more it suggests The we're in the
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tribulation period and so that's where it's not that I don't have
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all kind of weird mystical experiences that have shown up
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in my life over the years and continue to they're just not of
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that ilk where, you know, I sit and meditate and talk to God and
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get answers, you know, it ain't me, right?
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So, but you have enough facts at your disposal now and you've
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determined that there is enough, well, share some of that with
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us. If we know that the dates are
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interesting because they both were talking about an
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intersecting seven-year part. Intersecting solar eclipse,
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which we all remember the last one.
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But where they intersect is over a, like Howard said, it's over
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across, which is what are the chances of that happening?
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What are the chances that too? Two of these.
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These Northern North America. Is it significant?
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Should we in America tag? Any significance to the fact
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that it's a in America? What are we looking for here?
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What Jesus said, look for the signs of the of the tree leaves?
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What are the tree leaves, when you're looking at the pandemic?
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All of that stuff Society breakdown?
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Yeah, maybe there's a lot of good questions in that first,
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let me just start with the fun. Little factoid just too.
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Jump off with one of the first questions that you brought up in
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this series. And I loved all the questions
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arranged, but one has to do with the location, in the
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intersection near the crossing everything.
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And what I want to add to that is that Like the exact
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intersection is a bit north and a bit to the east of the Bald,
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Knob crosses piece and it's in a town called Makanda.
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And I was doing some research online long day and not
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surprisingly, there is Christians who have focused
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their attention on this issue. They didn't need the Urantia
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book to, you know, make hay out of what's going on.
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And there's one person was taking a look at all this sale
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arms. Because, of course, milk is a
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deck like event to Melchizedek is responsible for Starting
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Salem which became Jerusalem. Yeah.
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And so this person was looking for all the towns called Salem
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along the path of the first eclipse from Oregon to the
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Carolinas. And you know, Salem Oregon was
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the first major city or, you know, fairly large town or
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whatever it is, you're the eclipse path and then there were
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other states with similar, you know, types of things.
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But what the freaking weird and fun about it more than anything
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is the fact that, right? And I mean, right where these
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eclipses intersect is Salem Road in Makanda.
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My goodness Salem Road that tiny little road.
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I mean, it did might be like a quarter mile long or something,
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you know, and there's just a few houses on it and narrow Lake and
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You know, there's hardly anything there right and it's
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not a big old Street. They you know, goes for miles or
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something and it's just right there on sale over.
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That is amazing. Yeah, yeah.
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Now is the next is the next eclipse going to Cross Salem.
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Massachusetts. Because it's going the opposite
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way, right? Yeah.
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And so I don't know how but you know that's the fun factoid, but
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there is a larger issue to address.
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You know, I is, am I trying to set some example for people?
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Hey, come on out here to Southern Illinois because Back
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event the milk, is it? Let's do the show up here, not
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there, you know, and I don't know that I have any type of
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particular message for people that way.
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It doesn't strike me as particularly consistent with the
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teachings associated with disinfect.
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Yeah, so for instance, you know the teachings in the Urantia
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book, two interrelated different processes and from will do a
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test and everything. This is what gets us into this
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stuff where, you know, it says like, you know, to will be in
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the field. And one will be taken and the
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other will be left. And you know, like a thief in
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the night, this will occur and, you know, not the hour, which it
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comes and and it's more of his General get right with the Lord,
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you know, there's their own kind of repentance and and You know,
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just like be prepared for death, the way one should be prepared
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for death every day. Just because we're mortal and
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you never know when you get hit by the big bus, right?
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You know. And so it seems to me that these
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teachings emphasize This type of thing you know rather than
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everybody needs to get to some geographic location.
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I hear what you're saying. You know.
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That's yeah, it doesn't make sense just because it doesn't
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make sense for everybody doesn't mean that doesn't make sense for
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me. Personally, you know, as someone
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who's doing loads of research on the topic and he's the kind of
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guy who enjoys to go out with four foot long to Antelope
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shofar and blow it and talk to people about this stuff, right?
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Very well suited for yours truly but you know yeah it is not
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necessarily a monkey. See, monkey do type exercise its
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being encouraged at all. I don't See myself, as you know,
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that type of social leader, I see myself as an educator at
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Harold, right. You know, like that was a great
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word for it. It's heralding it's like, hey,
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heads up, you know, this is what's going on.
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And, you know, here's something that we discussed previously,
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which is that not that many people know about all these
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little dots that I call them because they're all there dot.
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And they connect and they connect in a way that is
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profoundly coincidental, but not that many people know about it.
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So it's safe to say that you and I can agree.
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And maybe people listening, we know the days, maybe we may be
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similar to the seven crucial years that are mentioned in
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Revelation pertaining to the war in heaven with quotes, right?
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So now we're in this Modern Age, you know, is this is this, an
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age of testing are We making decisions, which determine our
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future as a human race. Yes we are.
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Are we going to go down the road of secularist humanism or are we
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going to, you know, conceive of other kinds of realities and
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does muc much event to have a role in this that I think?
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Is your, your bigger question? What is his role in this?
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So can you write, right? What do you think we're supposed
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to be doing and is this Clips tied to that decision making
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process. Are we?
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In fact in a period where the you know the the what's that
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metaphor the sower? You know the wheat and the chaff
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separating the two right? Are we in that kind of period?
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Yeah yeah. Yes I think that's what's going
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on and You know, and I put myself right in that category,
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you know, there's all kind of personal work and I need to do
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to get right with God. It's just a never-ending.
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Well, eventually endings get to Perfection, but yeah, this is a
32:44
sorting out time. And then Mac event to
32:46
Melchizedek is it seems will arrive when a very dramatic type
32:51
of Getting out is going to go on.
32:54
So, let's first deal with the first time period that were in
32:58
the time of tribulation, the first thing I want to say about
33:03
this is as much as there are things like pandemics or people
33:09
are concerned about, you know, the environment and all of this
33:15
and War and so forth. What really comes to mind is
33:22
what's taught, about what does it matter?
33:25
If all things are actually crash and look to the spiritual issues
33:29
and the reason this seems so obvious.
33:32
Now an important to say is because when I look at this
33:39
nation, I see a country at war with itself.
33:46
Alarm all kind of ideological lines and in deserve fundamental
33:53
relationships to life and and it's horrible, who's what's
34:00
going on in the sense that it's truly tearing apart families and
34:04
friends. And so like the pandemic you
34:10
know you could call the pandemic or a plan demick.
34:12
It doesn't matter what your belief is about the nature of
34:18
the covid and how it got started or what it is or anything like
34:22
that. What people can tend to agree on
34:26
quite readily, no matter how they think about that issue, is
34:29
that people are fighting over it.
34:32
If you're really fighting over it.
34:35
Yeah, to just try and deal with it and stay friends with family
34:41
and friends. And so on this level of
34:45
spiritual testing, You know, and this is what I mean.
34:50
It's like it's hard for me to try and figure out how to be
34:55
cool with everyone and not taking a decision, is that many
35:00
other? And it's a very testing Tom and,
35:05
and I think that we really need to acknowledge that.
35:10
But ourselves that the disc, this is the game where in, you
35:15
know, this is the game on part of Of it, and it's happening
35:19
now. And you don't have to wait or
35:21
wonder, or you know, any of us can probably name 10 family and
35:28
friends with him. It's very hard to have some
35:32
discussion about important matters at the day.
35:34
I would agree, right? Yes.
35:36
Yes. All right.
35:37
And that's tragic. That's a heartbreak.
35:42
And that that is in the way. This is affecting children and
35:47
everybody Young. Old, all reasons, male female,
35:51
you know, we're in this together and its immense.
35:54
And so one of the things that I mentioned to people when I go
35:58
out and do the herald and I talk to people about how Mak event to
36:04
Melchizedek works for Jesus, and the reason that there were
36:10
prophecies for Jesus coming and then prophecies for Melchizedek
36:14
coming back at has to do with. Why did you choose weren't
36:19
satisfied with Jesus mission? That is they wanted the mess
36:23
cleaned up now. They were like willing to be
36:26
patient about it. You know, they'd heard about
36:29
these other prophecies, new heaven, new Earth, righteous
36:33
judge, but yeah, bring it on, you know, and they were getting
36:38
that from Jesus. But what I explained to people
36:41
is Jesus came with the message for how we can do
36:46
self-correction. And they people need to do what
36:52
they already know they should do.
36:56
The basic difference between right wrong being selfish versus
37:00
being in service and you know, all kind of stuff like busy
37:06
people have trouble. Finding the courage and the
37:10
faith in the belief but it's I'm suggesting not so much an issue
37:17
of really having a knowledge or understanding appreciation for
37:23
how to live a better life. All of us have so many areas
37:29
where we can look and go where I could look much better like that
37:32
area. You know, I know I'm not the
37:35
only one, I'm definitely wanted a lot of growth. to do, and Mac
37:42
event, Melchizedek is going to show up in by his presence.
37:49
And by saying to people hey y'all need to read the your
37:52
answer book, get your heads together, get right with
37:56
science, get your ideologies out of the way of backs, you know.
38:04
this is where, you know, people understand that there is time
38:10
for self correction and then there's time for, you know, wait
38:14
till your father gets home and in this case, Mac event to knock
38:17
his attacker Bice, Jaron planetary, Prince is Our
38:22
planetary, father. No in this regard.
38:28
Is there enough time to get your opinion on how you think
38:31
Christians would react to something like this?
38:35
I mean would they be? that works for Jesus, and that
38:58
the reason The Jews didn't accept Jesus was because of what
39:04
I just got done explaining to you.
39:05
I explained that to Christians. I try to be brief and succinct
39:09
as I can about it. You know, just take a minute and
39:13
the general concept is received glass Fleet.
39:17
Like it's like big news, you know, people are happy as
39:20
Christians to hear some new thoughts about.
39:25
Why did you didn't accept Jesus that goes down easy?
39:29
You know what I mean? Like, you did just now.
39:31
Make friends that way, right? People feel something's up this
39:51
world is getting weird and tense and tribulation people feel in
39:57
all kinds of ways. No matter what they believe or
39:59
don't believe, but, The predicting Jesus is going to
40:07
return. Has happened so many times.
40:13
And based upon people's interpretation of the prophecy.
40:19
That there is an ear for it anymore.
40:23
Exactly. You know why people have some
40:26
openness to it? Because times are what they are,
40:30
but at the same time, they've heard it all before.
40:32
And so if you come to people with your new interpretation of
40:37
the prophecies and the sons of the tongues, and why Jesus is
40:40
coming back, it is more of the same old story that way and then
40:46
Melchizedek angle. Liberates.
40:49
The story from being the same old, same old story, and It's
40:55
great. And there's also a Biblical
40:57
reference, which which helps because yes, well, other is
41:02
people love to have a mystery solved.
41:07
People just like that. It's a natural human thing.
41:09
Yeah. And so when it's presented as my
41:13
research has helped me, solve the mystery as compared to I was
41:18
meditating and God told me the secrets of the universe, right?
41:22
Yeah. Yeah.
41:23
Beautiful things, right? It's much easier for people to
41:28
hear. I was doing a bunch of research
41:31
and it suggests to me this. And if you want to follow up on
41:35
my research, here's a car. You know, when I publish my
41:38
research for free. So, you know, you know, it's
41:43
important in these conversations.
41:48
To be able to establish ones credibility and interest in
41:54
various kinds of ways. You know, it's just like any
41:57
conversation and the fact that I'm not selling anything or
42:03
encouraging people to join anything or you know, to follow
42:07
me and some, you know, particular way, you know, that's
42:12
one of the refreshing abuse. Yes.
42:16
Yes. It's so refreshing.
42:18
The heck life have these big hurdle these like really
42:22
challenging hurdles, heralding is in the wonderfully, simple
42:28
job. That way, you know, you open up
42:31
your mouth. It's like I came.
42:34
I conquered I like nobody cared but I did the announcing
42:48
Fortunately is a pretty low bar for Success, you know?
42:54
Yeah, so that's nice. It's it's, there's never enough
43:04
time. But the thing the walk away
43:07
message here is that these are significant times and you know
43:13
we don't know where all of this is headed.
43:16
But if you believe there's order in the universe then there is an
43:21
outcome, right? So the question is, you know, do
43:26
we continue to do things as we're doing them now or do we
43:28
take a good hard look at it where we're headed as a result
43:32
of the way that we do things now which is you know, corporate
43:36
greed corporate interest over. You know then you've got the
43:40
political angle, there's so many different isms right now in the
43:43
world. it's almost as if it's like during the Dark Ages when
43:48
there were all these different Pagan beliefs and there was just
43:53
massive confusion and Almost everybody was in poverty and it
43:58
seems like we're heading back in that direction and the Rancher
44:01
book and probably the Bible says you know it's usually through
44:05
suffering that we come to answers, we seek for answers so
44:10
maybe that's what this is all about is just getting so sick of
44:12
ourselves that we actually start asking the right questions which
44:17
is what are we really supposed to be doing here?
44:19
I would love to see Melchizedek or Jesus or somebody come down
44:23
from the heavens. I don't think people could
44:25
handle it. I think they would freak out.
44:28
I don't know what they would do. But it's possible and that's
44:32
what we're talking about here, right?
44:35
Yeah, you know, to whatever degree that people freak out
44:40
about dying, is basically a measure of the degree.
44:45
They would freak out about, you know.
44:49
God showing up. Yeah, right.
44:51
That's a good way to put it. Yeah, very nice chair.
44:55
Princess, you know, like you told that same sort of dramatic,
45:00
Coming. Well, we appreciate you joining
45:08
us this time up. And again, you be the news.com
45:13
for more information on how Alberta his writings and his
45:15
research and collected research as well.
45:19
Great conversation this time up on the Rancher Radio podcast.
45:32
Hey Jim sorry man. My Skype disconnected, we're
45:35
back. Sorry we're good anyway so we
45:39
could pick up and I'll just edit the little dead are here.
45:42
But yeah, sorry. Continue on with you or saying
45:46
about, you know, you know how people will react if there was a
45:52
second coming or a coming of a Divine being, right, right.
46:02
How out of sorts people would be if not kids.
46:06
Haddock showed up is very similar thing.
46:10
You know one of the things I said sometimes is that it's like
46:14
singing Alien when it comes to dealing with the Urantia book in
46:20
these types of dramatic events and and so forth is it it's a
46:25
lot easier to believe that aliens exist than it is to
46:28
actually see one, right? Yeah.
46:33
And then people can be very comfortable with the belief and
46:37
very uncomfortable with the actuality of it and that's just
46:42
one of the billiard things about like that way.
46:45
You know and we expected. Yeah we want them to show up
46:49
looking like Chewbacca or that alien at the end of Close
46:53
Encounters you know and then we'll be all happy and shake
46:56
their you know but it's not going to be that way.
46:59
I have long contended that that's the missing link that
47:02
people. Don't understand is that they're
47:03
the universe is populated by intelligent beings, but they're
47:07
spiritual, you know, we all expect that.
47:11
You know, materialism is just it, that's it.
47:14
Everything is material. You know, but that's not the
47:17
case. The other thing I want to
47:21
address and I'll just kind of brought up with your questions,
47:26
and, you know, how do people relate to this and the times
47:30
that were in and all Love it. One of the most complex
47:37
challenging topical studies that I've taken on, I'm in the middle
47:41
of right now and it's on Saints prophets, seers and Harold's.
47:49
And I said about look at how the world and the Rancher book
47:56
defines these terms and interrelates them and how they
47:59
change over time and the sort of subcategories within age Group.
48:04
And there's just so much there and moving parts that really
48:08
gets kind of complex. But one thing that really jumped
48:13
out to me in particular, as I didn't doing this research and
48:20
like you know, reading about the profits going out there and
48:23
smashing the idols of ball and you know, didn't have hardly any
48:29
time to teach because there was so much idle smashing to do and
48:32
everything. and, And I thought to myself, you know what?
48:43
Prophets in Interfaith that they don't go together.
48:48
Profits and Interfaith don't go together.
48:53
Jesus encouraged us to be living prophets, or at least he
48:57
encouraged the apostles that way.
48:59
Yeah. And certainly have a point there
49:01
to make about it all that is for everybody regarding how truth is
49:08
not about to taste for one generation in withheld from
49:11
another and that we need to progressively work with the
49:14
truth that were given and all of that stuff, right?
49:18
Yeah. You know, we're supposed to kind
49:22
of be Progressive that way. And in the inner Faith
49:29
mentality, I think has great value.
49:36
And is honored for its great value.
49:41
In the year Rancho book but it's time period specific and that's
49:46
what people are missing right now.
49:49
So in other words, when you're in a time period of more gradual
49:56
evolutionary growth, the Interfaith sensibility and
50:02
mentality is a great value, wonderful important.
50:07
And this is where the ranch book talks about how the, earlier,
50:13
the early followers of Jesus did not do so well at symboi Titans.
50:18
Interfaith school and, you know, were overly aggressive and
50:23
proselytizing in honoring, the Interfaith sentiment and it
50:28
break things up. And isn't that too bad?
50:30
And yes, that's too bad but that's not the time period.
50:35
We're in the right now. And if Jesus was around Sim
50:41
boynton's school at the time, he was doing his public Ministry, I
50:46
wouldn't suggest it would have all looked very different,
50:49
that's a good point. Yeah.
50:52
And so we forget that, you know, and I'm going to say now that
50:57
we're in this time period Of not only having an ethical
51:00
Revelation, but in the tribulation period to boot, you
51:04
know, 65 years later. And in the middle of the
51:07
tribulation with the new ethical Revelation, I'm not so sure.
51:12
The Interfaith sentiment is the appropriate context for the time
51:18
period. I think we need to give that a
51:20
new book. That's interesting.
51:22
Yeah you know because there is a problem with it, it's not
51:26
because there aren't a bunch of good intentions and values and
51:31
and ways of communicating you know which still have meaning
51:36
and relevance today even in these times, but I think what we
51:41
need to my favorite line in the book and I mean to interrupt,
51:45
but I think this capsule eights, it is the line of the very
51:49
beginning where it says, the time has come to make Frank
51:52
statements Yeah, yeah, yeah. The time has come.
52:01
It's stopped playing. Let's Pretend who has the best
52:04
religion and let's get to the facts.
52:07
Yeah, yeah thanks, right. And so, you know, this is where
52:14
Heralding. You know, is a relevant issue to
52:20
consider and and Outreach for the fifth epochal Revelation is
52:26
heralding, right? It's announcing That Something
52:30
official is shown up and hey, you know, whether I'm blowing a
52:34
show for not, you know, your Ranch a book Outreach, is that
52:39
type of You know activity. Yeah, and now that we're in the
52:44
time period we're in. You know, there's additional
52:49
heralding work to do. I've been doing it for years
52:55
now, it's just a matter of evolutionary, you know,
53:03
development with the topic. Now I moved out here running
53:07
around with the shofar blowing up and doing stuff like that and
53:11
hang a Herald true Harold. Great You know, it's in your
53:17
genes man. My birth name is Harold.
53:25
No, I changed album. I was always called Hal and then
53:29
friends at College started to call me Halbert and it got
53:33
changed to how Gruden organic way that way.
53:37
But my birth name is Harold. Well, you considering going back
53:42
to that? Are you considering changing
53:45
back to it? No step stay with Hal, kind of
53:58
confusing to have it and, you know, now maybe that kind of
54:02
regretted your doctor. I don't care anymore.
54:04
But well, yeah, you know, by any name, I'm still doing what I'm
54:09
doing. And I think this is where I
54:12
wanted to mention is that for the, your answer community and
54:17
for your answer of the Believers, Yes.
54:23
I'm now a challenging figure to deal with because of what it
54:27
teaches about another and greater, John the Baptist.
54:32
I'm within the context of Urantia book teachings, if
54:38
someone doesn't believe that we're in a time period, where we
54:44
would be looking for another and greater, John, the Baptist
54:48
anyways then it's just an academic issue. but for people
54:54
who do believe that were in that time period, They've got a
54:59
little bit more to address themselves to in terms of my
55:03
rolling on this and so do I and that's going to be very
55:08
challenging for all of us in different ways but as a
55:13
practical matter, people are just going to have to look and
55:16
go. Well if I don't think it's
55:19
Halbert to is it is it nobody the person hasn't shown up yet
55:24
and if they do show up, what kind of credentials are they
55:29
going to have that are so especially different than the
55:32
fact that I've been like doing this stuff for years already and
55:37
I've been dedicated to the year at Revelation for 40 plus years
55:40
now and you know, and so there's going to be this sort of
55:44
practical level of analysis of comparative analysis where it's
55:52
hard to imagine someone coming out of the woodwork.
55:57
Being effective in the world and it's hard to imagine who else is
56:04
out there that we might know already is really trying to be
56:07
Contender this way. Anyways, you know?
56:11
Yeah. So that's sort of Just at the
56:18
Killy arity. What's going on right now that
56:21
we all got to deal with and find our own, you know, place in
56:26
relationship to it. Right.
56:28
I've owns a very comprehensive study of the issue, you know,
56:36
like, in other words, what would it mean for another and greater?
56:39
John the Baptist to show up. Well, what are all the different
56:43
characteristics of the first one so that you could do something?
56:47
Aaron, you know, like we're his genetics.
56:50
What were his education? What was his temperament?
56:54
What were his beliefs? You know?
56:58
Etc. You can just like go down the
57:00
line and try to think of every aspect of a person's life that
57:07
would be relevant to what they're doing.
57:10
And you know the comparative like just think comparatively
57:16
about it. That's been a very interesting
57:21
exercise to do that. I'm in the middle of still, I'll
57:23
tell you. You know how well that's an
57:25
important decision to make. You know I think though remember
57:31
that you know, even in when we talk about the Baptist he
57:37
himself was a great heraldry Of the the Sun but he also saw the
57:42
least in other words he he was not a happy man, so he did not
57:47
enjoy the fruits of what he believed in, you know, and
57:53
understand what I'm saying. So, even though, he may have
57:55
been the greatest of the prophets, he was the one that
57:59
probably was the most miserable. Because he was so preoccupied
58:04
with the job that he forgot. It's kind of like, at the end of
58:07
The Book of Eli. Did you ever see that movie with
58:09
Denzel Washington where he says, at the end, because he's
58:13
protecting the last Bible on the world in the world and he gets
58:18
to the destination and he says, I was so busy protecting the
58:21
book, I never actually thought to read it.
58:26
Appreciate it or live the truth. So, whatever your mission is,
58:30
you know, God bless you, and what you're doing is great and
58:33
that's why we wanted to have you on.
58:36
So maybe in some small way we can Enlighten a few people.
58:40
So that's the point. And yes, that is the point.
58:46
You know, that's what heralding is about is, it's about calling
58:49
attention to something else, not really?
58:52
Yeah, oneself, you know, Necessarily as someone's
58:56
heralding? Yeah, some attention is on them,
59:00
but the whole point is, hey, you might want to take an interest
59:05
in this here. Fifth book of Revelation.
59:07
Yeah, you know, it's only practical matter if I do my
59:12
heralding. Well, in combination with my
59:16
studying's people, really don't have to talk to me after they've
59:21
met me once. You know, because the website
59:27
can, as, you know, just countless hours of research that
59:30
someone can do if they're new to all of this, they'll be busy for
59:34
a lifetime following up with all this study AIDS in the whole
59:39
text of the Rancher book and all of it, you know, it's not really
59:42
like I need to do anything more than the introduction.
59:50
You know, you want to whet their appetite.
59:53
Right. So yeah, yeah.
59:55
Thanks for all of us that way. But I think you know what's easy
1:00:01
for me and hard for other people is that it's very easy for me to
1:00:07
point people to my website. It's mine, right?
1:00:12
Yeah. It's my work.
1:00:16
And it validates. My conversation with people is
1:00:20
someone who's involved and Has some bona fide.
1:00:24
He's you know, has Merit, right? Yeah.
1:00:28
Well, you've always been that way.
1:00:30
You have a scholarly approach and you were you have a Judicial
1:00:33
background and so I think your Insight gives that it it's an
1:00:37
intellectual approach to a spiritual Revelation which you
1:00:41
and I share that, by the way, we don't have the same Bona, fides,
1:00:46
but, you know, you're aware how the ranch of community is know,
1:00:50
as, you know, like a herd of cats Or very independent-minded.
1:00:55
Yeah, sure. And so even even though the ubn
1:01:01
attended website has more study AIDS material about Melchizedek
1:01:07
in the eclipses and it's all put their together like nobody else
1:01:12
has. It doesn't matter.
1:01:15
People don't want to actually send people to my website or
1:01:18
your Ranch ebook readers. They you know I can tell from
1:01:22
how this works. X and that's unfortunate.
1:01:26
Well, it is, that fortunate. Yeah, we talked about because
1:01:30
this is where people stay up to be, as effective as they can be
1:01:35
in their Outreach conversation. Because when you don't have the
1:01:39
credentials yourself for to say, to someone hate follow up on my
1:01:45
work, my work is worth following up on, then the very next best
1:01:51
thing, you know. To do is to say you should
1:01:55
follow up on his so-and-so's work, I'd check out their work,
1:01:58
you know their works great that's what you know help me
1:02:02
talk to you about it. Right.
1:02:03
And and so a reference is the natural thing to do in any
1:02:10
conversation of this nature where you're trying to interest
1:02:13
somebody in something new. But there's actually an obstacle
1:02:19
is social barrier, a psychological barrier that goes
1:02:23
on with this stuff. And and that's where I was, you
1:02:28
know, bringing up the for that's why I brought up this issue
1:02:31
about, it's going to be hard on the erection Community to try to
1:02:37
work with the idea of me being in a role that is talked about,
1:02:44
particularly Because it's just too darn intimidating.
1:02:49
And it's like what we were saying earlier in that the
1:02:52
conversation about believing in the alien versus sing one,
1:02:57
right? So it's very easy comfortable
1:03:01
for you. Ratchet book, readers to believe
1:03:03
that someday there will be another and greater John, the
1:03:07
Baptist. It's a miserable death tax, and
1:03:13
think about it for real. I actually had someone
1:03:16
considering, you know, in the consideration for it, that makes
1:03:20
your engine book readers. Very uncomfortable, where is the
1:03:22
belief is very comfortable. so, you know, this is Part of our
1:03:30
tribulation. Yeah.
1:03:33
Right. This is where we have to kind of
1:03:35
sort our own soul so and figure out who we are and all of this
1:03:39
and why and what we believe and why don't we think and why, and
1:03:42
how do we get clear in our thoughts?
1:03:45
And, and perhaps, most importantly effective with each
1:03:51
other and our relationships. Yeah, because that's what a real
1:03:55
talking about here is. How do we get to a true?
1:04:01
We experience and all of this. Right now, we're people look at
1:04:07
the year at your community, who are near to it.
1:04:10
You know, what do they see? Particularly, if it relates to
1:04:15
this issue of signs of the times you tribulation, like, if you're
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just talking, generally Ranch, look Outreach stuff, and not,
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Into this aspect of the conversations one thing.
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But if this is what's coming up and is part of the conversation,
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then, You know, that's kind of a new ball of wax and you know,
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the obvious main organizations unless your actual greeters
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don't want to highlight any of this, any more than they want to
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highlight issues related to gender or race.
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It's all part of that same kind of challenge that the Ranch
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Community has with the teachings of the book.
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It doesn't matter whether it's gender race, or another and
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greater John, the Baptist. People in the community are
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challenged with the beliefs and ideologies of the day, and the
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mix between it all. And it's How exciting?
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Yeah. Well there's a lot to unpack
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here and we have to go because it's long and we've been doing
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some good conversation now for a little bit more than an hour and
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I appreciate you joining me. You be the news.com I have no
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problem referring people to your website because it is a
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voluminous work and it's certainly to be respected and
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enjoyed and I appreciate you joining me this time up on the
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ranch Radio podcast, my guest Howard Katz.
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And, and it's, you be the news.com any clothes?
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Yeah. Closing comment is when I
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changed the nature of the project from you.
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Be the news to you, be annotated, people have an easier
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time getting to my website. If they use you be annotated,
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you be the news redirects to, you be annotated, but sometimes
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that redirection is slow and clunky and people get frustrated
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if it's nothing. URL to use anymore, okay?
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Very good, almost all of the material, from the ud, the news
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website has been brought into the UV.
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Annotated website, good to know and so that is.
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Yeah. If you would just, you know, be
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sure to use the current URL after the smoother.
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Operation, that's a great. Well you got it I think you just
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did. So there we go.
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Let's Head Hands until next time, you're very welcome, have
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a A wonderful time and we'll talk to you soon.