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Job 11 - Things You Should NEVER Say When a Friend Is Hurting · The Bible Explained with Jenn Kokal

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  Speaker 1: Job 11, please listen to a sponsored advertisement. So now
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  Speaker 1: in Job 11, we hear from Job's third friend, who
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  Speaker 1: has been pretty silent up until this time, and now
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  Speaker 1: he is going to speak. So let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: read Job chapter 11. As usual, I will be reading
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  Speaker 1: from the WEB or the World English Bible, but I'd
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  Speaker 1: of the Bible that you prefer and also share a
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  Speaker 1: delicious cup of coffee or a cup of tea with
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  Speaker 1: me as we read Job chapter 11 together. So let's
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and give reverence to the reading of God's word.
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  Speaker 1: Then Zophar the Namathite answered, Should a man full of
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  Speaker 1: talk be justified? Should your boastings make men hold their peace?
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  Speaker 1: When you mock, will no man make you ashamed? For
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  Speaker 1: you say, My doctrine is pure. I am clean in
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  Speaker 1: your eyes. But oh, that God would speak and open
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  Speaker 1: his lips against you, and that he would show you
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  Speaker 1: the secrets of wisdom. For true wisdom has two sides.
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  Speaker 1: Know therefore that God exacts of you less than your
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  Speaker 1: iniquity deserves. Can you fathom the mystery of God? Or
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  Speaker 1: can you probe the limits of the Almighty? They are
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  Speaker 1: high as heaven. What can you do? They are deeper
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  Speaker 1: than shoal. What can you know? Its measure is longer
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  Speaker 1: than the earth and broader than the sea. If he
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  Speaker 1: passes by or confines or convenes a court, then who
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  Speaker 1: can oppose him? For he knows false men. He sees
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  Speaker 1: iniquity also, even though he doesn't consider it. An empty-headed
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  Speaker 1: man becomes wise when a man is born as a
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  Speaker 1: wild donkey's colt. If you set your heart aright, stretch
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  Speaker 1: out your hands toward him. If iniquity is in your hand,
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  Speaker 1: put it far away. Don't let unrighteousness dwell in your tents.
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  Speaker 1: Surely then you will lift up your face without spot. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you will be steadfast and you will not fear for
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  Speaker 1: you will forget your misery. You will remember it like
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  Speaker 1: the waters that have passed away. Life will be clearer
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  Speaker 1: than the noon day. Though there is darkness, it will
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  Speaker 1: be as the morning. You will be secure because there
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  Speaker 1: is hope. Yes, you will search and will take your
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  Speaker 1: rest in safety. Also, you will lie down and no
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  Speaker 1: one will make you afraid. Yes, many will court your favor,
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  Speaker 1: but the eyes of the wicked will fail. They will
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  Speaker 1: have no way to flee. Their hope will be the
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  Speaker 1: giving up of the spirit. Man, I just cannot believe
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  Speaker 1: we are so far in the book of Job already.
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  Speaker 1: You get it? So far? I mean, so far, we've
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  Speaker 1: been talking about Job's other three friends, and now we
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  Speaker 1: finally get to hear from Zophar himself. All right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: done now. So now Zophar, the third friend of Job's,
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  Speaker 1: begins to speak. And this guy, I think of the
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  Speaker 1: three friends, is the most insulting and presumptuous and arrogant
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  Speaker 1: and mean. He is definitely just cruel, honestly, with everything
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  Speaker 1: that he says right here. Remember, in the previous two chapters,
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  Speaker 1: Job had answered his friends for all of the things
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  Speaker 1: that they said. And then Job started talking to God
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  Speaker 1: and beginning to put God on trial. And for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: this made Zophar clearly very angry at Job. He was
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  Speaker 1: furious that he thought that Job had the right to
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  Speaker 1: put God on trial. So Zophar, the Namathite in verse
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  Speaker 1: 1 answers, He's like, Job, what makes you better than
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  Speaker 1: anybody else? If any other person on the planet were
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  Speaker 1: saying these things about God, we would shut them down.
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  Speaker 1: So we don't care about your suffering, Job. We don't
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  Speaker 1: care what you have been through. You have to be
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  Speaker 1: quieted over what you are saying about God. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is a problem I think that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Christians have, is that they can't handle hard questions about God.
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  Speaker 1: Job was asking, honestly, some of the hardest questions about
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  Speaker 1: God that pretty much anybody can ask. He was asking, God,
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  Speaker 1: why do you think you're just if you allow me
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  Speaker 1: to go through this suffering? Why are you allowing the
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  Speaker 1: wicked to flourish on the earth and good people to suffer?
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  Speaker 1: Why do you bless evil and curse good? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: these are all things I think that pretty much every
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  Speaker 1: person struggles with. Like if God is good, why is
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  Speaker 1: there evil in the world? If God is good and just,
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  Speaker 1: then why do good people suffer? These are questions everybody asks.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, Christian circles have a tendency to try to
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  Speaker 1: shut those kinds of questions down, just like Zophar is
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  Speaker 1: doing right here to Job. He can't handle the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Job has these hard questions for God. And so
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  Speaker 1: Zophar tries to shut these questions down by essentially saying
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  Speaker 1: untruths about God, because he believes the exact same thing
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  Speaker 1: that his other two friends believe, that God only blesses
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  Speaker 1: good people and punishes wicked people. Therefore, Job must be
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  Speaker 1: a wicked person. which he goes on to talk about
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  Speaker 1: that more in his little speech to Job here. But
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  Speaker 1: that's how he shuts Job's questions down, by yelling at
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  Speaker 1: Job and saying, Job, none of that is even true
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  Speaker 1: about God, because God can only bless good people. The
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  Speaker 1: only time people ever suffer is if they are sinful.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. And that is a false statement. What Zophar
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  Speaker 1: and the other three friends don't understand, they don't understand
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of Innocent suffering that serves a purpose beyond
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  Speaker 1: repentance because they can't see the full plan of God.
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  Speaker 1: So they try to justify all of this in their
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  Speaker 1: mind by saying, no, Job, you must be sinning. That's
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  Speaker 1: the only possible thing that could be happening here. So Zophar,
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  Speaker 1: because he cannot handle Job's questions, the difficult questions about God,
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  Speaker 1: he shuts them down hard. And this is something we
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  Speaker 1: need to, as Christians, I think, avoid. Because I've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this podcast long enough to know that when people
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  Speaker 1: ask me tough questions, they're doing it because they want
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  Speaker 1: to know more about God. They may be coming at
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  Speaker 1: God critically, yes, but there is something in their heart
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  Speaker 1: that wants to know the answer. And I think it
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  Speaker 1: is a disservice when Christians shut those kinds of questions down.
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  Speaker 1: And don't try to talk through this person with these
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  Speaker 1: particular questions, you know, showing them what scripture has to
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  Speaker 1: say about certain issues. You know, they have to wrestle
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  Speaker 1: with these things on their own. And shutting them down
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  Speaker 1: does the opposite, I think, of helping them wrestle with
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  Speaker 1: some of these questions. But that's what Zophar does. He
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  Speaker 1: shuts Job down and then resorts to cruelty. He says
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  Speaker 1: in verse 4, For you say, my doctrine is pure
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  Speaker 1: and I am clean in your eyes. In other words,
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  Speaker 1: the eyes of God. But oh, that God would speak
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  Speaker 1: and open his lips against you and that he would
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  Speaker 1: show you the secrets of wisdom. For true wisdom has
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  Speaker 1: two sides. Know therefore that God exacts of you less
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  Speaker 1: than your iniquity deserves. Wow. That is probably the cruelest
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  Speaker 1: thing that you could say to somebody who is suffering,
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  Speaker 1: I would say. that God would speak against them and
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  Speaker 1: show them the depths of his wisdom. First and foremost,
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  Speaker 1: this is such an arrogant statement because Zophar is kind
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  Speaker 1: of acting like he knows exactly who God is. But
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  Speaker 1: Zophar does not know what he's asking for here because
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  Speaker 1: he ends up getting it. God does, in fact, answer
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  Speaker 1: Job and answer the three friends as well. And it
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  Speaker 1: does not go the way that everybody thinks it's going
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  Speaker 1: to go. Zophar says, Now that's the way it's translated
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  Speaker 1: in English. But if you go to the Greek, it's
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  Speaker 1: actually translated a little bit differently. Something closer to In
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  Speaker 1: other words, because Job has so many sins under his belt,
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  Speaker 1: God has done Job a service by forgetting some of
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  Speaker 1: them because of God's great mercy. He decided to forget
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  Speaker 1: some of the sins that Job committed specifically so that
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  Speaker 1: he wouldn't punish Job as harshly as Job deserves. Man,
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  Speaker 1: this guy Zophar, he is just a big, meanie. Verse seven,
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  Speaker 1: can you fathom the mystery of God or can you
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  Speaker 1: probe the limits of the almighty? They are as high
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  Speaker 1: as heaven. What can you do? They are deeper than shoal.
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  Speaker 1: What can you know? Its measure is longer than the
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  Speaker 1: earth and broader than the sea. If he passes by
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  Speaker 1: or confines or convenes in a court, who can oppose him?
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  Speaker 1: For he knows false men. He sees iniquity also, even
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  Speaker 1: though he doesn't consider it. An empty-headed man becomes wise
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  Speaker 1: when a man is born as a wild donkey's colt.
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  Speaker 1: Many of the things that Zophar is saying there is
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  Speaker 1: actually not inaccurate about God. Clearly, God is powerful. Clearly,
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  Speaker 1: God is mysterious and there are things about him that
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  Speaker 1: he just hasn't revealed to us that we cannot possibly know.
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  Speaker 1: The things that God has revealed to us, we can know,
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  Speaker 1: which is all found in scripture. But there are things
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  Speaker 1: about God that we're just never going to know because
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  Speaker 1: he has chosen not to reveal those things. You know,
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  Speaker 1: God is almighty. There is no limit to him. He
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  Speaker 1: has no age limit. His thoughts go deeper and wider
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  Speaker 1: and broader and higher than we can possibly imagine. If
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  Speaker 1: God decides something, there is nothing that can go against
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  Speaker 1: his decision. All of these things that Zophar is saying
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  Speaker 1: is the truth, honestly, about God. But the problem is
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  Speaker 1: the way he's saying it, how he's saying it, and
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  Speaker 1: to whom he is saying it. He is saying it
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  Speaker 1: to Job, who is a broken man. Not in words
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  Speaker 1: of comfort. You know, that'd be a different thing. If
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  Speaker 1: you are comforting a friend, reminding them of God's just
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  Speaker 1: goodness and amazingness and power and just all around goodness,
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  Speaker 1: then that would be different. But so far is saying
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  Speaker 1: all of these things to kind of threaten Job in
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  Speaker 1: a way. Saying, God knows your innermost being, Job. He
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  Speaker 1: knows everything about you. And he is going to get
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  Speaker 1: through you because verse 11, He knows false men and
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  Speaker 1: he sees iniquity also, even though he doesn't consider it.
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  Speaker 1: So Zophar is threatening Job with God's power. And honestly,
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  Speaker 1: this is just a cruel thing to do to somebody
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  Speaker 1: who is a broken man. Now, there are times where
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  Speaker 1: something like this might be appropriate. You know, if somebody
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  Speaker 1: is really going down the wrong path and you are
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  Speaker 1: lovingly warning them that they are going down the wrong path,
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  Speaker 1: then Well, it's probably not wrong in that situation to
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  Speaker 1: remind somebody of their sin. to remind them that God
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  Speaker 1: is powerful and that he's coming again and they need
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  Speaker 1: to repent. All of those things are good things to do.
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  Speaker 1: But the problem comes in when you don't see any
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  Speaker 1: kind of sin in somebody's life and you just assume
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason that they are sinning. Maybe because something
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  Speaker 1: bad happened to them or because a rumor was swirling
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  Speaker 1: about them or whatever other reason. But this becomes especially
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  Speaker 1: wrong when you use this kind of language like Zophar
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  Speaker 1: is saying, against somebody who is outright telling you, no,
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  Speaker 1: I can't think of any way that I have sinned.
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  Speaker 1: I am truly the victim. And for somebody to say, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're definitely not the victim. You definitely caused it. You
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  Speaker 1: definitely wanted that person to hurt you. You definitely did
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  Speaker 1: something to sin to cause this kind of issue in
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  Speaker 1: your life. That is wrong. That is not biblical behavior.
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  Speaker 1: And that is exactly what Zophar is doing to Job
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  Speaker 1: right here. So we need to kind of take lessons
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  Speaker 1: from Job's friends as well. How do we make sure
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  Speaker 1: that we don't become somebody like one of Job's friends
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  Speaker 1: when helping somebody else through an issue that they have
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  Speaker 1: gone through? We need to be really sensitive to these
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  Speaker 1: kinds of things. Now, I'm not saying that there aren't
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  Speaker 1: victim mindsets out there. There absolutely are. And there are
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  Speaker 1: people who falsely claim to be hurt when they either
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  Speaker 1: weren't hurt or caused it themselves. I'm not saying these
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  Speaker 1: things don't exist. They absolutely do exist. And we have
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  Speaker 1: to have discernment when it comes to helping somebody through
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  Speaker 1: particular issues. Like we shouldn't just believe somebody because we
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  Speaker 1: are biased towards them or something like that. No, we
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  Speaker 1: have to have discernment. Obviously, we test everything. But if
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  Speaker 1: there truly is no blaring sin in a person's life,
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  Speaker 1: and they are telling a story of how they have
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  Speaker 1: been hurt, One of the most unhelpful things you can
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  Speaker 1: tell that person is, well, how did you sin in
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  Speaker 1: that situation? How did you encourage that person to hurt you?
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  Speaker 1: Or what did you do to make your family or
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  Speaker 1: yourself go through the kind of suffering that you're going
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  Speaker 1: through right now? Honestly, that is an unbiblical and unhelpful
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  Speaker 1: way to truly help somebody heal from whatever they have
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  Speaker 1: been going through. So we have to be careful about
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  Speaker 1: all of that and, again, have discernment with all of
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  Speaker 1: these different issues. But as you can see here, Job's
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  Speaker 1: friends had no discernment. They had their own knowledge. They
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  Speaker 1: decided that God was one way and there's no way
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  Speaker 1: he couldn't be like that. He had caused all of
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  Speaker 1: this suffering and destruction on Job because Job sinned. Not
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  Speaker 1: understanding and realizing that Satan does exist in the world
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  Speaker 1: and that God does not promise us success and health
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  Speaker 1: and happiness on this earth. He just doesn't. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: understand or care that there might be a bigger plan
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  Speaker 1: in place for Job's suffering. So now he says in
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  Speaker 1: verse 13, Job, if you set your heart aright and
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  Speaker 1: stretch out your hands toward him, if iniquity is in
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  Speaker 1: your hand, put it far away. Don't let unrighteousness dwell
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  Speaker 1: in your tents. Surely then you will lift your face
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  Speaker 1: up without spot. Yes, you will be steadfast and will
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  Speaker 1: not fear, for you will forget your misery. You will
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  Speaker 1: remember it like the waters that have passed away. Life
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  Speaker 1: will be clearer than the noonday. Though there is darkness,
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  Speaker 1: it will be as the morning. You know, this is
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  Speaker 1: something kind of crazy to me because did Job's three
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  Speaker 1: friends never suffer? You know, I mean, everybody goes through
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  Speaker 1: a level of suffering here on this earth. And yet
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  Speaker 1: they're saying here that This makes no sense to me
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  Speaker 1: because they're essentially saying you can achieve perfection here on
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  Speaker 1: earth if you just live good for your entire life.
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  Speaker 1: You can buy your way to salvation. You can buy
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  Speaker 1: your way to paradise. That is what he's saying here.
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  Speaker 1: And I just wonder, how they got this conclusion. Because
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  Speaker 1: surely Job's three friends must have suffered themselves at some
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  Speaker 1: point in time. But they're speaking in their ignorance and
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  Speaker 1: arrogance and in their own knowledge about things that they
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  Speaker 1: really don't know about. That life will be clearer than
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  Speaker 1: the noonday and though there is darkness, it will be
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  Speaker 1: as the morning. So in other words, we'll just skip
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  Speaker 1: through life and be prosperous and happy and healthy and
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  Speaker 1: well and have tons of children and everything will just
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  Speaker 1: be hunky-dory. And now to conclude his speech in verses
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  Speaker 1: 18 through 20, you will be secure because there is hope. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you will search and you will take your rest in safety. Also,
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  Speaker 1: you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: many will court your favor, but the eyes of the
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  Speaker 1: wicked will fail. They will have no way to flee.
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  Speaker 1: Their hope will be the giving up of the spirit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but Zophar could have written
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  Speaker 1: how to win friends and influence people. He could have
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  Speaker 1: written the book because that's exactly what he's saying right here. Job,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to have people court your favor, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to be prosperous and have lots of friends
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  Speaker 1: and just do well in life, then you have to
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  Speaker 1: lift your hands up to heaven and truly worship Yahweh.
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  Speaker 1: And all of this is so fake to Job because
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  Speaker 1: that is exactly what he was doing. And he's trying
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  Speaker 1: to tell his friends, I already did all those things
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  Speaker 1: and yet I'm still suffering. So that clearly is not
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I'm suffering. And I want to know
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I'm suffering. So Job is going to
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  Speaker 1: answer Zophar in the next chapter. In fact, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to talk for a few chapters because again, As Job
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  Speaker 1: talks more and more, his friends are going to talk
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  Speaker 1: less and less because they're not going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to hold up against the arguments that Job presents, quite honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Job kind of destroys their arguments and they've got nothing
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  Speaker 1: else to say. But every single chapter we've seen of
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  Speaker 1: Job's friends is a really good example of what not
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  Speaker 1: to do. Essentially, how not to comfort your friends and
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  Speaker 1: how to truly care for people who have gone through
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  Speaker 1: serious trouble. So faithful listeners, I hope you've been learning
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  Speaker 1: as much from the book of Job as I have been. Now,
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