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  Speaker 1: A movie about psyops that it itself is a syop.
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  Speaker 2: Under the Dogs, Yeah, under.
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  Speaker 3: The Docks, very favorite were breaking looks? Could they Arisen?
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  Speaker 3: The shots? The Dogs, Under the Dogs, The Dogs, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Under the Dogs.
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  Speaker 2: Under the Dogs.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Sean Chris. This is paranoid American. We're back under
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  Speaker 4: the Docks today. Sty War twenty ten film, directed by
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  Speaker 4: Scott Noble and narrated by Mikola j. This is part
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  Speaker 4: of the Mind Control Month and it really switches gears
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. It's it's still mk ultra heavy, still
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  Speaker 4: heavy on the public perceptions, but this one sticks to
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  Speaker 4: psychological operations and warfare and propaganda and how it's used
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  Speaker 4: to manipulate the public to kind of push them in
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  Speaker 4: directions they want to go in.
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  Speaker 1: And Plus, unlike chaos, this one talks about things that
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  Speaker 1: happened in the I mean early nineteen hundreds, but also
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  Speaker 1: goes all the way up into the eighties, nineties, and
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  Speaker 1: even early two thousands. So there's some examples here that
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  Speaker 1: are a little bit more relatable, especially on this topic
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  Speaker 1: of mind control, which usually gets sandwich between the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: forties to the nineteen sixties.
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  Speaker 4: Plotting the course, there's some good key claims, and I
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  Speaker 4: like you said before that it's not just focused in
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  Speaker 4: like some claims from nineteen fifty three or you know,
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  Speaker 4: the late sixties. It has more modern things. And that's
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  Speaker 4: one of the first claims. It's actually one of the
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  Speaker 4: first claims in the film that Jessica Lynch heroism and
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  Speaker 4: villainizing countries. That this whole Jessica Lynch story was fabricated
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  Speaker 4: by a PR firm to get the Americans public, the
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  Speaker 4: American public behind the war in Iraq.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure this one happened when I was
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  Speaker 1: actively in the military, so I was I didn't go
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  Speaker 1: and put on the Jessica Lynch shirt or anything and
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  Speaker 1: going out and parading or anything. But I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it felt like a relatable story, Like, damn, bro, it's
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  Speaker 1: getting real out here for some of us, right not realizing.
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  Speaker 1: In this movie they make a few specific claims that
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Lynch fulfilled this fictional narrative that they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: push a female rambo mixed with a damsel in distress
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  Speaker 1: that gets rescued by special forces, and it was a
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  Speaker 1: total PR boost because the war didn't have the greatest
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  Speaker 1: face on it. The US also wanted to take some
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  Speaker 1: aggressive actions that could have looked bad without something that
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  Speaker 1: juxapposed it against, without something to contrast it with. For example,
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  Speaker 1: the same day that that story happened, the big Jessica
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  Speaker 1: Lynch Special Forces rescue operation, the US also blew up
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  Speaker 1: Al Jazeera's TV station and killed a journalist, but that
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  Speaker 1: part didn't get a lot of airplay because of this big,
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  Speaker 1: you know, damsel distressed female rambo Jessica Lynch story. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting and very specific claim
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  Speaker 1: that this documentary made.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the way that they presented it is perfectly
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  Speaker 4: like a movie. And it was like a movie trailer,
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  Speaker 4: right like jess klitch In saved in a rack or
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  Speaker 4: like whatever, you know what I mean, Like you can
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  Speaker 4: see it on every channel. And I wasn't in the
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  Speaker 4: Armed Forces, But that's a good perspective of what you're saying,
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  Speaker 4: because I remember it just being plastered on every single
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  Speaker 4: television wherever you were at. You were seeing like Jessica
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  Speaker 4: Lynch and saved and her on the stretcher and the
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  Speaker 4: like I'm okay, they got me. And the same day
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  Speaker 4: the film says like thanks for rolling in, like right
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  Speaker 4: into our rack like it was so coordinated that you
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  Speaker 4: can see that that's how you get people ready for war,
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  Speaker 4: because no one really likes war until you do something
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  Speaker 4: of this nature.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in that particular point, the way that this documentary
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  Speaker 1: sort of puts a nice period at the end of
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  Speaker 1: that sentence is that whenever you see these war campaigns
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  Speaker 1: getting a lot of PR there's a good chance and
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  Speaker 1: that's what you would call a substitute story. And the
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  Speaker 1: only reason it's there is to replace bad news with
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  Speaker 1: good news. So whenever you see these rescue missions, you
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  Speaker 1: see these like heartfelt war stories. They're doing that so
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  Speaker 1: is to make sure that the nightly news has a
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  Speaker 1: nice five to ten minute piece where they won't talk
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  Speaker 1: about another thing.
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  Speaker 4: And to get into another point the hill and Knowlton's
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  Speaker 4: roll in a lot of this is a PR firm
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  Speaker 4: that was we're there for not just the Iraq War,
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  Speaker 4: but the original Golf War, and they were claimed to
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  Speaker 4: be behind the Princess Naira babies and incubators which got
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  Speaker 4: us into the Golf one, you know, the original Iraq War,
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  Speaker 4: which if people don't know about that story, Princess Nara
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  Speaker 4: was in front of Congress telling her how the Iraqi
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  Speaker 4: soldiers went into a hospital smashing babies in incubators. And
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  Speaker 4: it's what we call atrocious propaganda, where people are using
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  Speaker 4: the most vile thing that like in human nature, where
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  Speaker 4: you're like, what they're just stomping on like incubated babies.
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  Speaker 4: It gives people the push to be like, yeah, let's
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  Speaker 4: go kill those guys and everybody on that narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and this is one of the examples where they
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  Speaker 1: get a minor, this underage girl to say this in
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  Speaker 1: court as if she was an eye witness.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the lines is.
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  Speaker 1: That they were taking these babies out of incubators and
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  Speaker 1: leaving them to die and starve all alone on the
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  Speaker 1: cold floor. And then it cuts to show George Bush,
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  Speaker 1: senior Herbert Walker Bush, repeating what the girl said. And
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  Speaker 1: it's and it's such a wild sequence of events when
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  Speaker 1: you realize, okay, this story was legitimately. This is not
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  Speaker 1: like a speculative conspiracy. Theorist wackos statement right that this
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  Speaker 1: story was created by a pr firm given to the
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  Speaker 1: Saudis the Saudi find you know, grab a daughter of
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  Speaker 1: one of the Saudi princess She actually goes into a
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  Speaker 1: court an international court and says this thing that had
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  Speaker 1: been workshopped by a PR campaign. And then once she
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  Speaker 1: says it out loud, now the president of the us
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  Speaker 1: XCIA director can also say it out loud and it's
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  Speaker 1: not like, oh, I'm not saying it, I'm just repeating
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  Speaker 1: with this little girl said, were you calling her a liar?
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  Speaker 1: You call that crying child a liar? And yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: was a liar. But the truth was that even when
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  Speaker 1: this story broke, the fact that she was lying probably
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  Speaker 1: doesn't get printed on the front page. It doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: all the headline news. This gets printed in the back
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  Speaker 1: of the paper and the fine print, so that everyone
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  Speaker 1: that emotionally connected, Oh my god, they're doing what to babies?
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  Speaker 1: That's what sticks with them. And then that was all
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  Speaker 1: the PR campaign was all about. That was another really
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  Speaker 1: wild and slightly more recent example of this.
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  Speaker 4: What's so powerful about PR it shows you too, is
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  Speaker 4: that they actually had on sixty minutes, like a year later,
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  Speaker 4: that she was lying. Because there was investigated journalists that
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  Speaker 4: were like, hey, we went to the hospital, we talked
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  Speaker 4: to the people that worked there. They were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that never happened, That's not what it was. And it's
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  Speaker 4: still but the pr was so effective the campaign that
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  Speaker 4: people didn't even blink eye and they were like, well,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, they probably did it man, Like you
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  Speaker 4: couldn't change people's mind on that.
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  Speaker 1: And this one, I guess piggybacking on that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if this was one of your key claims, but
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  Speaker 1: they make this statement amongst the context of this that
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  Speaker 1: this is clearly propaganda. PR firms pe out this propaganda,
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  Speaker 1: but that propaganda is the primary means in which the
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  Speaker 1: rich communicate with the rest of society, and that they
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  Speaker 1: do this by selling you a product, a political.
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  Speaker 2: Candidate, a law, or a war.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's probably more than that, but those four
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  Speaker 1: kind of examples, and that during some of these news stories,
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  Speaker 1: the CIA literally had psyop warriors working out of Fort
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  Speaker 1: Bragg that were stationed in the CNN headquarters in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: So this goes way beyond just a small group facilitating
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  Speaker 1: these weird syop wars as well as a military operation.
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  Speaker 5: And the film one of my other claims.
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  Speaker 4: I know the film talks about like Edward Burnes, which
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  Speaker 4: we always talk about.
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  Speaker 5: Love hearing about Edward Barnes. I'm sure that many people
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  Speaker 5: know about him.
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  Speaker 4: But one other thing I thought was important too is
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  Speaker 4: that they talk about the fifteenth century and the Catholic
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  Speaker 4: Church using propaganda and using media like art and poems
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  Speaker 4: and things of that nature to shape the faith of
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  Speaker 4: their their their disciples of.
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  Speaker 5: Like, hey man, you know you got to go this way,
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  Speaker 5: this is the right way of the Lord.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought that was significant because we always talk
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  Speaker 4: about the Godfather of propaganda in pr with Edward Burnes,
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  Speaker 4: but now they're delving into a farther going farther back,
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  Speaker 4: which they even talk about. You know, obviously propaganda was
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  Speaker 4: before even the Catholic Church, but this was a significant
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  Speaker 4: moment of where they had an example of the power
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  Speaker 4: source at the time, which was the Church was able
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  Speaker 4: to use propaganda to change the perception of the people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess it's not a coincidence that the biggest
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  Speaker 1: funder of the arts writing was the church and they're
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  Speaker 1: like paint us in a good lay.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Also, one of the key things in this at the
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  Speaker 4: element of this that I really dug is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people talk about Trump as the worst
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  Speaker 4: president by nominee for the worst president of all time
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  Speaker 4: has always been Woodrow Wilson, and they do not paint
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  Speaker 4: him great in this, and I'm glad that there was
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  Speaker 4: more aspects of like even with his like victory speeches
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  Speaker 4: and talking about like, you know, it's a noble cause
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  Speaker 4: for us to be in these world wars and using
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  Speaker 4: the techniques of patriotism to like really grab the nation
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  Speaker 4: into like, hey, we need to go say we're the heroes.
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  Speaker 5: And that's where we got all of these.
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  Speaker 4: Wars after that, because that was the blueprint of like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we're the heroes, we're the good guys.
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  Speaker 5: We're only going to war if it's a necessity.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason it's a necessity is because bad guy
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  Speaker 4: X is taking over all these lands and only good
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  Speaker 4: guy America could come in there and save the day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess this is where propaganda. They make
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  Speaker 1: a point that it starts in war. You get all
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  Speaker 1: these people going off to wartime, and they need to
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  Speaker 1: sell this war on the population funding it, the population
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  Speaker 1: that's receiving the war. Everyone needs to be the target
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  Speaker 1: the SIOP warfare. And then there's a certain point sometime
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  Speaker 1: after World War One that they say like, hey, what
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  Speaker 1: if we take this military si up knowledge and we
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  Speaker 1: use this for marketing, and we use it for just
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  Speaker 1: like selling people on all kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And the one biggest example they threw in here.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't know this, or maybe I've read it
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  Speaker 1: in like Howard Zen and then forgot it since then,
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  Speaker 1: but that the modern version of public relations and these
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  Speaker 1: PR firms started in nineteen fourteen when there was a
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  Speaker 1: co worker uprising and they were demanding better treatment and
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to unionize and all this, and it will
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  Speaker 1: result in this thing called the Ludlow Massacre, in which
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  Speaker 1: the Rockefellers paid a whole bunch of people to go
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  Speaker 1: in strong and like some people died, someone was shot
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  Speaker 1: to death because they were trying to stomp out this
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  Speaker 1: union organization. And as a result of that, people started
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  Speaker 1: hating the Rockefellers. So he hires this guy named Ivy
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  Speaker 1: Lee and he creates the first PR campaign, the first
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  Speaker 1: PR firm, really, and it's and he actually invented the
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  Speaker 1: entire concept of a press release. And apparently before this happened,
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  Speaker 1: press releases didn't exist. The journalists would have to go
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  Speaker 1: and find their own news. But when they create the
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  Speaker 1: press release, you go to the newspaper, like, wait, you
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  Speaker 1: mean I don't have to like leave my desk and
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  Speaker 1: you just kind of wrote everything I need and I
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  Speaker 1: can just sort of put a little bit of flare
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  Speaker 1: on and put my name on it, and my job
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  Speaker 1: is done. Yes, please more of that, please, And that
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  Speaker 1: they also recommended Rockefellers start going around handing money to
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  Speaker 1: people on the street. That he started a Rockefeller Foundation
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  Speaker 1: and give people scholarships, and he helped the poor. And
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  Speaker 1: it's just a tiny, tiny fraction of the money that
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  Speaker 1: he was exploiting from people. But in doing that creates
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  Speaker 1: what we now know today is just press releases and
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  Speaker 1: pr campaigns. It was all to make sure people didn't
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  Speaker 1: revolt against the Rockefellers for killing coal workers.
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  Speaker 2: That's what a wild box story.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, it's the birth of philanthropy right like now
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  Speaker 4: that we know, like, oh, Bill Gates is donating his
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  Speaker 4: money Tafrica, or it's this use a little small piece
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  Speaker 4: of your wealth which would be significant to someone that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have any money, Like right, one hundred grand to
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  Speaker 4: them is to drop in the bucket, but the one
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  Speaker 4: hundred grand of me is a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Right, So that the perspective changes everything.
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  Speaker 4: And Ivy Lee, I'm glad you brought him up because
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  Speaker 4: that's what they'm again to a little bit later, because
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  Speaker 4: to me, he's somebody that kind of is not mentioned
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  Speaker 4: as much as Edward Burnees. Right, everybody knows who Edward
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  Speaker 4: Burnees is, well not everybody, but more than you would expect,
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  Speaker 4: I believe kind of just sits in that background. And
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  Speaker 4: he was because this Ludwig massacre that they shifted the
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  Speaker 4: blame like, well, these coal miners were getting aggressive, we
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  Speaker 4: had to get the National Guard in and they were
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  Speaker 4: like they painted them into this idea of like this
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  Speaker 4: revolt was dangerous and they've forgot to mention about the
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  Speaker 4: children and women that were killed.
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  Speaker 5: Hidden treasures and overboard moments.
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  Speaker 4: Some of the hidden treasures for me is is the
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  Speaker 4: different quotes from Woodward Wilson, the different quotes from like
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  Speaker 4: Ivy Lead and the Rockefellers and really putting this foundation
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  Speaker 4: of what we know as modern day philanthropy and the
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  Speaker 4: way that the modern society works because these pr.
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  Speaker 5: Firms and propaganda go hand in hand.
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  Speaker 4: I thought one of the cool things that they mentioned
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  Speaker 4: is like, you know you had freedom fries at when
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  Speaker 4: I think France didn't want to. I don't remember the
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  Speaker 4: context behind that, but the freedom fries, I want to.
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  Speaker 2: Help back us.
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  Speaker 1: When we went into invade Iraq, I believe anyone that
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to help us do They were like what
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  Speaker 1: did they have to do with nine to eleven?
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  Speaker 2: We were like shut up.
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  Speaker 4: And join Yeah, but before that you had liberty cabbage,
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  Speaker 4: right cabbage, which I don't know if everybody knows about that,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, we're over here eating that liberty cabbage.
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  Speaker 4: That was the way they framed things, and I thought
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  Speaker 4: it was cool that they were able to piece the
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  Speaker 4: modern day propaganda with Oh, it hasn't changed much. They've
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  Speaker 4: just shifted names and shifted places, but that blueprint has
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  Speaker 4: remained the same.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was sour Kraut right, because sower Kraut
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  Speaker 1: was too German and we want to help the German.
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  Speaker 2: We call it a liberty cabage.
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  Speaker 1: For me, the biggest hidden treasure of this movie, you know, documentary.
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  Speaker 1: It does something that not a lot of conspiracy documentaries
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  Speaker 1: ever do.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: It actually offers a solution. It says at one point like,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: well how do we do this? And they list out
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  Speaker 1: some of the fall solutions, for example limiting free speech,
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  Speaker 1: And I liked this movie is like, well, you definitely
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  Speaker 1: don't want to limit free speech in order to reduce propaganda,
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  Speaker 1: because now everyone's paying the price and prop it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: solve the issue. And this documentary it makes the point
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  Speaker 1: that the way to combat propaganda and psychological warfare it's
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  Speaker 1: just a more informed public where we talk about propaganda
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  Speaker 1: openly more often, and how it works and who's behind
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  Speaker 1: it and what are the effects of it, And like
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  Speaker 1: this movie itself sort of I mean maybe in a
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  Speaker 1: self serving way, like it is part of the solution.
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  Speaker 1: Just knowing about who IVYLE is, for example, the origins
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  Speaker 1: of a press release, why did it exist, and the
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  Speaker 1: roots of so much of this in military psychological operations
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  Speaker 1: and how it transitioned into just straight up consumerism. Knowing
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  Speaker 1: about that and talking about that and having I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like maybe like a nightly news thing like propaganda in
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  Speaker 1: the news. Maybe that's something we shouldn't we should start
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  Speaker 1: working towards, but that that would be the solution because
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  Speaker 1: now you can be more aware of it and it's
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  Speaker 1: not just affecting.
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  Speaker 2: You, you know, subconsciously.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's you know, sort of a whimsical view
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  Speaker 1: of the future where things are getting more complicated. We've
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  Speaker 1: got less time to dissect stuff. We're just gonna let
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  Speaker 1: Ai figure it out for us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe really hopefully.
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  Speaker 2: Today I'll be like, hey, this is kind of propaganda.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think so either.
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  Speaker 4: And I think also a hitten gem to for me,
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  Speaker 4: like one of the hidden treasures was they had a
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  Speaker 4: quote from Walter Lippman, who is a prominent writer and journalist,
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  Speaker 4: and he said the public must be put in its place.
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  Speaker 4: It must be their function to be spectators and not
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  Speaker 4: participants in the drama politics. And I thought that quote
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  Speaker 4: right there really solidified this elites first a working class.
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  Speaker 4: Now the overboard moments for me is kind of what
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  Speaker 4: you said. It's one of the hidden treasures. I thought,
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  Speaker 4: not that it's bad, right, Like I had to poke
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  Speaker 4: something at it, and I think it was a little
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  Speaker 4: bit too hippy dippy, like, oh, it's just if we
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  Speaker 4: just all love each other and you know, stop buying
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  Speaker 4: things and centering ourselves will be fine, right, we won't
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  Speaker 4: be consumers anymore. And I like the message, I understand it,
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  Speaker 4: but you could see that's when, like towards the end
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  Speaker 4: of the film, like the bias really gets out of
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  Speaker 4: what their message was, and that would be my overboard moment.
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  Speaker 4: A little too much piece in love, bro and everything's fine.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Well, now it's a little ironic because the first i'll
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: say twenty to thirty minutes of this movie feel very objective.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: It's just here's the thing that happened, here's the backstory,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: here's the people like they're they're incredibly objective, and as
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you go over the course of the movie, by the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: time it ends, you're just reading a full on Nom
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Chomsky book.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: You're at a Noam Chomsky lection. Literally.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Nom Chomsky ends up taking up most of the screen time.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: As this documentary progresses, we get a lot of Howard
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Zen in there. It feels like it plays a little
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: bit of a switcher roo, like itself is doing a
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: cy war on you as you watch it, because you're like, damn,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: this movie's making so many great points, and then by
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the time it's over, you're like, why do I feel
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: like I want to support socialism? All of a sudden?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Why am I so anti capitalist? And they for me,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like the jump the shark. Overboard moment
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: is that somewhere in here they say in all capitalism
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: is basically part of this big cy war, and therefore,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: if you read between the lines, it's like vote for
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Nim Chomsky, vote for Bernie Sanders should have almost been
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: a Bernie Sanders out at the end of this. And
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: there's also something that kind of irritates me a little
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: bit when I see this as being used to prove
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a point where they're talking about the Iroquois and that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: before President Madison, I think that they're talking about the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Iroquois had this superior form of democracy and that there
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: was like voluntary economic systems and everything was so much
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: more balanced and just the fide and they're they're propping
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: these Iroquois up up this very specific part of the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Confederacy and the air coination. But they don't mention that
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: they also practiced slavery and they would do like, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: go and scout people and kidnap women and children and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: force them to just work, you know, in like basically
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: slave conditions. That always gets glossed over, like, oh my god,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the Iroquois, they were so perfect, the perfect democracy. That
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: maybe not if you were a settler and you got
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: kidnapped and scalped and now you're like being forced to
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: reproduce for them. Maybe you don't think they have the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: perfect form of democracy from that perspective, but you rarely
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: get that in like a Howard Zin production. And then
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: it really does venture towards the end into just socialism
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: and anti consumerism, and they do. They make so many
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: really good points, right, they make great points in their
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: criticism of capitalism. But at a certain point, I like
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: pause it. I was like, wait, is this the sill
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that I did? Did someone witch out the movie? Like
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they did a hard cut? And all of a sudden,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: now it's like a socialist documentary. What happened to the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: cybar thing? It felt like they just meandered intentionally. Again,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: well done if that was the intent. And then at
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the very very end they started talking about mind control,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and it's like, my guys, like, don't bite off more
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: than you're willing to chew.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I can see the runtime doesn't go for nine hours.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Let's stay folth like they could have made this an
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: hour long and cut the entire second half of it
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and it would have been better for in my opinion.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: So it was it should be relayed with as the
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Nome Chomsky war. Right, let's test the waters with a
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: deep dive mentioned it earlier.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: My boy Ivy Lee Man. I think Ivy Lee was.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Deserve the deep dive on him because he was involved
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: in a lot more things than people realize. As I
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I realized, I had saw this film a while ago,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: but I refreshed my memory on him. And not only
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: did he come out with the press release which changed
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: the way that we use media now right, Like now
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: all you have to say is like, oh, let me
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: just switch these words around. No, they were attacking you,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: right and you just use simple words and simple phrases.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: It was part of the you worked with the Pennsylvania
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Railroad after the nineteen oh six accident, issuing public statements
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: and promoting safety reform, shift blame, and to rebuild trust.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: So he was at every little catastrophic event right there
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: saying like, oh, okay, this is what really happened, and to
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: spin right, this is the first where we're getting not
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: just political spin but corporate spin of whatever happened. Now,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: let's spin that into a positive and blame it shift blame.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Get it off, the focus off us.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: You talked about the Ludwick incident and massacre of April twenty,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: nineteen fourteen, where John D. Rockefeller hires him and goes, hey, man,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I'm in a mess, and he kind of develops his
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: whole framework of if you give money back, and we'll
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: switch how this story paint these villains as these workers
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: instead of you, you're the good guy. You're the hero
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: giving the money out. And that's when you would hear
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: things phrases of like, you know, Rockefeller going out and
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: giving the dime to like a group of civilians and
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: buying ice cream for like, you know, a neighborhood and
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: set things of that nature, which would seem like, well,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: look at this generous dude. And they kept trying to
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: build this whole reputation of elites being kind, gentle souls
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: that they need all this money so they can help
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: us a little bit and get us a little apple
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: every now and then.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm One of the quotes they have from Ivy
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Lee was that the corporations needed to reflect warmth and caring,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and they were basically the opposite. They had to reflect
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the opposite of what they really were.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: And this is all part of that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: For example, I'm sure ivy Le did not invent the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: idea of a stage photo op, but stage photo ops
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: became part of the formula. So now if you were
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: doing a PR campaign or crisis management, then these stage
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: photo ops were sort of the currency that you dealt in,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and that once Ivy Lee started doing this, other people
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: took notice, and now it's an industry unto itself, whereas
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: before that it was just some weird guy making these
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: weird suggestions in this new uncharted territory. And now he
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you know, he gave birth to the entire thing, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that he was so good at it. He gets hired
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: by the Germans, you know, in World War Two, by
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Ig Farbin, who are part of like the Nazi inner circle,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and that one of the Ivy League campaigns that he
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: puts together for Ig Ferbin was actually being directed under Gerbels.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So you've got this like this non part is in
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: right and not in a good way, but like a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: globalist scum faction that starts to take farm where it's like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I don't care as long as you're paying, I'll be
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the mercenary. So ivy Lee and pretty much all other
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: PR firms they mentioned this documentary are painted as these
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: international mercenary war criminals.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Ripples in ways man, I don't know how much historical
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: significance maybe this film has brought about. I don't know
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: how many people actually know about this film. It's like
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: not a film that's wide range, but I would say
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: if it does have any relevance, it's more into the
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: left of leaning and a crowd. I think that you
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: could see a lot of these because Chomski's in it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: That's like a huge left guy that like they're all
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: over and as the film, like we discuss, progresses, it
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: gets more into that like communistic socialistic paradigm where you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: this utopia of where like, oh, it's all capitalism's fault.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: And I think the impact of this film, if any,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: would be to a lot of these left organizations that
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: are like pushing socialism more and more.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Right in the back of my mind, and I know
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: it's a false equivalence, but in the back of my mind,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I see Chomsky or Howard's in come Out, and it's
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, this capitalism, it's the cause of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: all of our problems. The government's corrupt, So let's just
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: go ahead and give the government a little bit more
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: power and more leeway to do what they want, because
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the problem is probably the solution to the problem.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: So I would say that this movie in particular probably
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't have its own ripples and waves. But what it
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: does is it hones in on the most conspiratorial aspect
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: of Gnom Chomsky and of Howard's In. And if you're
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: not familiar with Howard z In, he wrote a book
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: called The People's History of the United States, which maybe
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: it's propaganda, I legitimately think it's a great I recommend
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: it even if you are anti left, if you're you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: a heart you know, conservative through and through whatever you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: think you are, I still recommend a People's History of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the United States because it really does show at least
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the workingman's point of view for through a lot of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: these historical events that we've only heard the official story of.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: This movie is more about the ripples and waves that
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Howard's In and Noam Chomsky have had, not necessarily the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: cy War movie.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: All right, man, stink or swim, I.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Might have to pull like a like a cheat code.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this one a floater, like I don't
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: know if it's if it's gonna flush all the way
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: down or not, right, I don't know if it's gonna
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: sink or some of me.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Just kind of floating there a little bit.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: If we were to cut this log into two, half
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of it would sink and the other half would swim. Right, So,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: if you just watched the first half of this movie
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and then the power goes out and you just forget
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to watch the rest of it, you're great.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: You're actually probably better than if you finished the rest
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of the movie.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, it's the first half is
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a swim and the second half is a sink in
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: my mind for me.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of great information in this film.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I like the aspect of putting Edward Burnees and talking
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: all that about it's a sink for me because it's
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: just too gets too much in the weeds for me
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: with all this like, oh, we're gonna save everything with socialism,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: like you said, more government's always the answer, and just
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: like always talking bad about capitalism, in which I understand
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: capitalism has flaw. I don't even talk about capitalism anymore.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I just call the free market. But this idea that
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: the free market is just consumerism and that's like the
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: reason why all wars exist. It just like loses me.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: I've seen this film before. I like the film, but
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: as far it's just hard for me to recommend, so
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I gotta sink it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It does itself such a disservice where the second half
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: of the film starts to discredit the first half, And
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: there's no worse crime in my mind to take something
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: good and then start ruining it after the good part's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: already done. Like, guys, just stop hitting yourself at this point.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: But it would certainly appeal more to one type of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: person than another type of person.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree. I guess overall, it's kind of
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: like a sink.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: But if you find yourself watching it and you only
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: get halfway through and you get pulled away, you don't
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: feel like you're missing anything by not finishing it.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: On the horizon, what we got up next?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: The next one is a movie called American Mind Control
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