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Snow White Should've Been a Monster Hit · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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Speaker 1: The news, opinions, commentary and interviews. You need to start
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Speaker 2: Monday morning, twenty fourth day of March. I'm Wes, thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining me. The pollen flurry continues. I'll enjoy a
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Speaker 2: few more days of a slightly deeper voice. I mean,
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Speaker 2: when you work and your voice is your trigger finger,
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Speaker 2: so to speak, you try to take advantage of it
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Speaker 2: as much as you can. I don't know, trying to
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Speaker 2: find some positive in all of it, as I've been
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Speaker 2: just basically choking constantly, pretty much NonStop, trying to find
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Speaker 2: that right concoction, that correct formula of medications that will
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Speaker 2: give me some sort of relief, some sort of a
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Speaker 2: break from the sneezing and blowing of my nose, and
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Speaker 2: gone through multiple boxes of tissues. It's a scene, man,
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Speaker 2: it is wild. My son a Jake, who is sixteen,
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Speaker 2: he deals with a lot of issues with the allergies,
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Speaker 2: and anytime he gets even the beginnings of a cold,
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Speaker 2: it usually triggers all these sorts of things as well.
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Speaker 2: And I'm getting a good taste this last week or
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Speaker 2: so of what he deals with multiple times a year.
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Speaker 2: But he kind of has that right concoction. He has that,
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Speaker 2: not that he hasn't been struggling a bit as well.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he And it's not a contest,
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Speaker 2: but I don't know his has quite been as bad
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Speaker 2: as mine for the same length. But we're certainly fighting
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Speaker 2: probably allergies to the same things, the same plants that
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Speaker 2: are trying to kill us. Allah the m Night Shyamalan movie,
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Speaker 2: the happening, that's what it feels like, is going on
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Speaker 2: pretty much constantly. By the way you make that reference
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Speaker 2: to people, they either know exactly what you're talking about
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Speaker 2: or they have never heard of the movie, right. And
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Speaker 2: I can just tell you I've got a few friends
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Speaker 2: that love the movie. I do not. I cannot endorse
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Speaker 2: it as a movie that you must go see, all right,
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Speaker 2: And if you feel otherwise and you think, wow, it
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Speaker 2: was such a great movie. Critics didn't especially like it,
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Speaker 2: although some people did like it. But anyway, and I've
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Speaker 2: probably already spoiled the whole movie just by telling you
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Speaker 2: as much as I've told you. But it's been out
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Speaker 2: for a long time, and again, not a lot of
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Speaker 2: people watched it when it was out, So it's not
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Speaker 2: like I've ruined the ending of the sixth since again
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Speaker 2: been out a long time. But you know you've had
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Speaker 2: your chance to see it, is all I'm saying. And
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't if someone said I'm about to watch the
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Speaker 2: sixth sense, I wouldn't say anything. I would say, hey,
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Speaker 2: it's a great movie. Enjoy. If someone were about to
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Speaker 2: watch the happening, I would say, yeah, have fun, enjoy.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it was a great movie. I would say, maybe, hey,
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Speaker 2: let's talk afterwards about allergies. Maybe we could talk about that. No,
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Speaker 2: I would probably give something away. But anyway, speaking of movies,
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Speaker 2: snow White, the newest version of snow White opened to
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Speaker 2: a very modest opening weekend. I would say probably at
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Speaker 2: this point Disney is probably at least happy with what
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Speaker 2: it did over the weekend. Not ecstatic, but I think
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Speaker 2: they're probably happy in that it's now done, the opening
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Speaker 2: weekend has happened, and they can start moving forward. This
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Speaker 2: is a movie that when it first was announced, hey
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Speaker 2: we're going to do a live action version of snow White,
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Speaker 2: they certainly came into this with I think, very very
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Speaker 2: high I think this is one of those things where
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Speaker 2: they thought, Wow, this is and by all accounts, it
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Speaker 2: should have been. This should have been everything that would
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Speaker 2: The formula is there for this to be a mega hit.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's a beloved classic. It is something that
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Speaker 2: many little kids, I would say, of all races, would
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Speaker 2: be excited to go see and enjoyed the original. But
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Speaker 2: Disney did what Disney does and decided that this is
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Speaker 2: going to be part of their you know, DEI policies
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Speaker 2: and things, which again, it's their company. They're certainly allowed
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Speaker 2: to do whatever it is that they want to do.
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Speaker 2: And there was a lot of controversy that came with
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Speaker 2: this movie getting made. They cast a his Panic actress
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Speaker 2: to play snow White. Some folks decided that that was
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Speaker 2: a problem. I don't know that there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: people that have a major problem with that, but we
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Speaker 2: certainly anytime there's any objections to something like that, I
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Speaker 2: feel like it definitely gets blown significantly out of proportion
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Speaker 2: on social media, whether it's people that have comments about
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Speaker 2: it that are negative or people that want to go
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Speaker 2: after people assuming that that would be the reason that
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Speaker 2: they're not happy with the idea of the movie being made.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how all this plays out.
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Speaker 2: I know that back when the Star Wars movies, the
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Speaker 2: sequels came out, and the first of the sequels came out,
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Speaker 2: and episode seven, right that movie came out, and then
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Speaker 2: you know, people were like, Okay, well we'll see where
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Speaker 2: this goes. Episode eight came out, and that's when the
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Speaker 2: reviews were not as good. There were a lot of
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Speaker 2: people saying, you know, this isn't a great movie. And
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Speaker 2: that movie introduced, you know, they it introduced this idea
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Speaker 2: of we're going to change the way Star Wars has
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Speaker 2: been done for so long. It ultimately alienated a lot
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Speaker 2: of fans and upset them. And as it turned into well,
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Speaker 2: this is about the fact that we now have a
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Speaker 2: lead who is a female. This is we have this
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Speaker 2: you know, Korean actress who's in the movie that people
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Speaker 2: don't like her and that's the reason for it. There
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Speaker 2: were a few things that people really seem to focus on.
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Speaker 2: And then we found out later on that a lot
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Speaker 2: of the online bickering and fighting about the movie was
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Speaker 2: either coming from Russia or China, and it was all
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Speaker 2: part of this play of let's see how much we
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Speaker 2: can get Americans to bicker and fight with each other
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Speaker 2: about something that doesn't mean anything. Now. I know, if
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Speaker 2: you're passionate about Star Wars, it means something. But when
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Speaker 2: you find out that there are people just kind of
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Speaker 2: tampering with things ultimately so that they can find out
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Speaker 2: how they want to tamper with our elections and all
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Speaker 2: those sorts of things. So anyway, I don't know how
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Speaker 2: much of that comes into play with snow White. I
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Speaker 2: don't know really exactly how much of any of this
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Speaker 2: is real, how much of this or trolls. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know really how all that
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Speaker 2: plays out. What I can tell you, though, is that
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Speaker 2: they cast a Hispanic actress to play snow White, and
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Speaker 2: this particular actress said lots of negative things about the
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Speaker 2: original story, how you know, sort of misogynistic it was,
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Speaker 2: and all these things. I forget her exact words, but
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Speaker 2: she basically said, we're going to do a different take
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Speaker 2: on this story. There's your first problem. If people are thinking, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're going to get a live action version of snow White,
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Speaker 2: you could almost do a shot for shot remake of
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Speaker 2: snow White and people would be very excited. Didn't happy
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Speaker 2: to see the movie. I don't know that it matters
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Speaker 2: the ethnicity, the original origins of the family of the
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Speaker 2: actress playing snow White. I don't know that it matters.
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Speaker 2: Are there going to be some people that are gonna
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Speaker 2: have a problem. Certainly we saw this play out with
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Speaker 2: the Little Mermaid. Little Mermaid ultimately did fine, especially in streaming.
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Speaker 2: Maybe there's an eventual satisfied level for Disney with snow White.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like maybe they're probably okay.
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Speaker 2: I mean to give your perspective on how it did
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Speaker 2: for the weekend. It's on par with the Dumbo live
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Speaker 2: action remake, so anyway, And also get when you talk
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Speaker 2: start talking about live action remakes of movies. And I
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Speaker 2: know that one of the big hits was The Lion
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Speaker 2: King when they did that. But if it's CGI lions
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Speaker 2: talking to each other and it's CGI elephants flying around, understand,
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Speaker 2: you can't make an elephant actually fly. I get that,
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Speaker 2: But is it really live action when most of the
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Speaker 2: characters are animated? Is it really live action? When you
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Speaker 2: say we're gonna do a live action version of Snow
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Speaker 2: White and instead of casting actors to play the dwarfs,
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Speaker 2: that we have actors who are professional actors that are
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Speaker 2: themselves little people, and instead of doing that, they decided
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Speaker 2: to see GI. That was the big announcement. We're going
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Speaker 2: to see GI the seven Dwarfs. That's what we're gonna do.
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Speaker 2: And they're gonna be different. You know, They're gonna all
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Speaker 2: be different. They're not going to be the ones that
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Speaker 2: you expected to see. So snow White's gonna look a
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Speaker 2: little different, which to some would be a problem. Snow
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Speaker 2: White is going to be a different story than what
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Speaker 2: you're expecting, and the seven Dwarf characters that you love
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Speaker 2: are going to be different. And the only thing that
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Speaker 2: people seem to think could possibly have been the problem
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Speaker 2: is the ethnicity of the actress playing snow White. Instead
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Speaker 2: of acknowledging the fact that these other changes may have
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Speaker 2: something to do with the fact that people are probably
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Speaker 2: not as interested in it. I think if you said
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Speaker 2: we're going to remake the the original story, I think
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Speaker 2: people would have been very excited. You could have done
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Speaker 2: shot for shot. People would have been like, I'm in.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that it would have mattered who played thee.
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Speaker 2: And then there's one more factor. Sorry we got to
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Speaker 2: I forgot there's one one more issue at hand. The
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Speaker 2: fact that Galcadot aka Wonder Woman, was cast to play
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Speaker 2: the evil witch who is so worried about the beauty
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Speaker 2: of snow White that you know, that's the whole essence
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Speaker 2: of this whole story, right, She's she's obsessed with beauty
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Speaker 2: and she realizes that, you know, there's now someone more
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Speaker 2: beautiful than her in the form of Snow White. Galgadot
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Speaker 2: is one of the most beautiful women on the planet,
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Speaker 2: and certainly by most standards, if you were putting them
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Speaker 2: both into some sort of an app that involved swiping
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Speaker 2: hot or not, which is more attractive, I would think
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Speaker 2: most people would probably say she's more attractive than the
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Speaker 2: actress playing snow White. But again that's all opinion based.
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Speaker 2: But that's another thing that came up in all of this.
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Speaker 2: So I guess what I have to sit back and
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Speaker 2: conclude as Disney continues to do this over and over
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Speaker 2: and over again. And I know there's some leadership changes
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Speaker 2: that have taken place at Disney, and they've circled back
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Speaker 2: around and brought the same people back to run things.
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Speaker 2: And there's been obviously some changes that are coming in
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Speaker 2: the lucasfilm side of things. For Star Wars, which have
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Speaker 2: Star Wars fans breathing a little bit of a sigh
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Speaker 2: of relief as eventually Kathleen Kennedy is going to move on.
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Speaker 2: She says, she'll keep making movies, just won't be making
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Speaker 2: the Star Wars movies. But anyway, so I can't help.
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Speaker 2: But wonder is Disney even trying to make audiences happy
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Speaker 2: or is it fully about the DEI and I think
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Speaker 2: only worried about eventually getting to this stage where someone's
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Speaker 2: going to look back on them and say, hey, good
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Speaker 2: for them, good for them not casting dwarfs in this role.
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Speaker 2: As many Dwarf actors around the world said, Hey, we
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Speaker 2: thought we were going to be able to audition. Why
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Speaker 2: can't we be in this movie? This is what we
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Speaker 2: were hoping for. One particular actor, who himself is a Dwarf,
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Speaker 2: who decided that it was not going to be okay
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Speaker 2: for them to cast dwarfs in the movie and basically,
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Speaker 2: how dare someone think about casting dwarfs to be in
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Speaker 2: the movie and ultimately greatly complicated all of this and
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Speaker 2: basically took the producers and the team behind this forced
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Speaker 2: him into a corner where they finally made a decision
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Speaker 2: about they were going to do something different, and that
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Speaker 2: actor is Peter Dinklage, who has made a career out
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Speaker 2: of playing dwarf characters in a number of things. Now,
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Speaker 2: I can't put myself in Peter Dinklage's shoes literally or metaphorically.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dinklage is an outstanding actor, right, he has with
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Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, Elf, the Marvel movies. Ultimately, we're talking
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Speaker 2: about someone who is, by the way, Peter Dinklage also
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Speaker 2: in two of my favorite movies of all time, which
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Speaker 2: are the same movie, Death at a Funeral, playing an
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Speaker 2: important role in both of those movies, and the only
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Speaker 2: person that's in both of those movies. And you talk
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Speaker 2: about basically a shot for shot remake where you say,
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Speaker 2: here's the og British version and then here's the American
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Speaker 2: version with an almost all black cast except for Peter
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Speaker 2: Dinklage and a couple of others, And both movies are fantastic,
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Speaker 2: by the way, either version you're getting, you're getting a
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Speaker 2: lot of laughs, and they're just excellent. But and again
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Speaker 2: it's important in the movie that his character be a
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Speaker 2: dwarf and needs to be played by a dwarf. But
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Speaker 2: he said, you know, Disney can't do this. They can't
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Speaker 2: cast And there's been a lot of questions about why
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Speaker 2: for him, even in the Marvel movies, to play a
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Speaker 2: giant dwarf. Right, it's been important in Elf. You know,
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Speaker 2: that's the whole scene. The whole scene is you know,
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Speaker 2: Buddy the elf thinking that this dwarf was an Elf.
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Speaker 2: Sorry spoiler alert, I know we're I don't want to
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Speaker 2: get into more spoilers. So ultimately upsetting a lot of
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Speaker 2: the acting community made up of dwarf actors who feel like,
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, you can do it. We can't do it.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of complications that went into this snow
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Speaker 2: White movie, and I guess I'm just asking the question,
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Speaker 2: do we think that Disney is just saying our agenda
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Speaker 2: is the only important thing. It's more important than making money.
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Speaker 2: I know that the Disney investors and shareholders certainly feel differently,
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Speaker 2: But are they doing just well enough to just continuing
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Speaker 2: doing what they're doing and basically putting all of the
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Speaker 2: all of the stock, all of the ultimate outcome in
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Speaker 2: this that someday they're going to be looked at as revolutionaries.
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Speaker 2: They were way ahead of their time. With what they
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Speaker 2: were doing, or do they think that they're actually shaping things?
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Speaker 2: Do they really think that they're making changes in society
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Speaker 2: and the way that they're doing things. Look, you cast
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Speaker 2: whoever you want to cast, if you're going to make
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Speaker 2: a movie. I wish that we did a better job
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Speaker 2: overall of just letting you know people got upset. Brian
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Speaker 2: Cranston was cast in a movie where he played a
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Speaker 2: guy in a wheelchair and people said, well, someone in
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Speaker 2: a wheelchair could have played that role. We know that
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Speaker 2: there's been race swapping that's taken place in movies, that's happened.
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Speaker 2: I don't think any of that is a big shock,
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Speaker 2: and I think in many cases it's not overly critical
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Speaker 2: to a store. Sorry, but sometimes sometimes it is relevant
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Speaker 2: to the story. Sometimes it's a cultural change. When the
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Speaker 2: Little Mermaid Danish story, Danish fairy tale is played by
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Speaker 2: a black actress, that's a little different. That's a little different, right,
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Speaker 2: And that's one of those things where you say, well,
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Speaker 2: but they're they're casting it. They can do what they
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Speaker 2: want to do. They want little girls to look at
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Speaker 2: the screen and see someone who looks like them. That's
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Speaker 2: the intention, that's the goal. When if you're running a business,
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Speaker 2: and you're trying to run a successful business, your goal
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Speaker 2: should be to have financial success. And I know you
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Speaker 2: want there to be some sort of blend of the
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Speaker 2: two maybe for some places, but I think ultimately the
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Speaker 2: shareholders are the ones who aren't going to be getting
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Speaker 2: the accolades in the long run. For Wow, you were
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Speaker 2: you had invested money in Disney when they were reshaping
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Speaker 2: and changing the way movies were getting made. They're going
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Speaker 2: to look back and say, you know, I lost a
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Speaker 2: lot of money on these movies that were supposed to
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Speaker 2: be big. And snow White could have been a monster hit.
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Speaker 2: This could have been a if you do snow White correctly,
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Speaker 2: snow White could be getting conversation you know, around Oscar
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Speaker 2: time next year. That is, of course, if they meet
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Speaker 2: all the diversity requirements as they're making the movie, because
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Speaker 2: that's the only way you can win an Oscar anymore.
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Speaker 2: I mean, no matter which political parties in power, it
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Speaker 2: seems about half of the country is going to be
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Speaker 2: pretty miserable anyway. So I guess basing these metrics and
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Speaker 2: using things like inequality and generosity on the list, it's
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Speaker 2: just an interesting little factors that kind of might come
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Speaker 2: into play. I don't know that they specifically are polling anyone,
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Speaker 2: but when I look at a country that is in
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Speaker 2: the midst of some pretty terrifying things like Israel, I
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Speaker 2: just think they placed significantly higher than America. It feels
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Speaker 2: like with America, we've got some self inflicted wounds in
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Speaker 2: this' That's what it feels like to me. Those are
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Speaker 2: my observations in it. And for a country that prides
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Speaker 2: itself on so many freedoms and freedom being one of
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Speaker 2: the categories that this factors in, it just seems kind
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Speaker 2: of strange that it would be number twenty four on
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Speaker 2: the list. So imagine you're on a date, things are
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Speaker 2: going great, and then your date does something like laugh
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Speaker 2: weirdly or say something to the server that is not
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Speaker 2: okay with you, and then suddenly you're turned off. They
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Speaker 2: call it the ick factor, and researchers from AZUSA Pacific
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Speaker 2: University or as USA, I'm not familiar with this specific
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Speaker 2: university define the ick as the sudden visceral aversion to
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Speaker 2: a romantic partner offering, triggered by behaviors that superficially signal incompatibility.
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Speaker 2: Researchers found that those that most likely to experience the
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Speaker 2: ick were people with a high disgust sensitivity. Tell me
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Speaker 2: more about this, they say. Basically, people who are grossed
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Speaker 2: out by things easily perfectionist narcissists, and they feel it
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Speaker 2: so strongly that sixty eight percent of people have ended
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Speaker 2: things after experiencing it. Twenty six percent ended things immediately
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Speaker 2: after getting the ick, while forty two percent sorry pulled
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Speaker 2: the plug eventually. It triggers varied between genders. Women more
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Speaker 2: likely to be repelled by misogynistic attitudes and things men said,
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Speaker 2: while men were more likely to be turned off by
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Speaker 2: perceived flaws and physical appearance and women being overly vain.
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Speaker 2: No surprise, those social media driving the trend videos people
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Speaker 2: saying what gave them the ick, or making more people
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Speaker 2: to see those flaws when they're out on dates. So
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Speaker 2: another way social media is having an impact on connecting
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Speaker 2: with other people, and in this case a bad way right.
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Speaker 2: A father who wrote to the Washington Post Miss Manners
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Speaker 2: column looking for advice, seems just hours before where he
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Speaker 2: was getting ready to walk his daughter down the aisle,
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Speaker 2: the groom got arrested. The bride and her family were
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Speaker 2: already at the venue, so the father explained that since
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Speaker 2: the guests had already started arriving, they decided to go
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Speaker 2: on with the cocktail hour and reception and hopes that
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Speaker 2: the groom would be released in time that they could
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Speaker 2: hold the ceremony afterward. That's not the way it played out.
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Speaker 2: The wedding never happened, and the father says he advised
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Speaker 2: his daughter to return all monetary gifts, but she refuses.
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Speaker 2: She feels they should keep them since the couple won't
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Speaker 2: be getting married eventually. The dad, a bit torn under this,
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Speaker 2: says that the gifts came under false pretenses and I
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Speaker 2: guess Judith Martin Mismanners agreed with him, saying etiquette dictates
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Speaker 2: the gifts should be returned since the wedding never happened.
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Speaker 2: She did say that since the bride still intends to
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Speaker 2: have the wedding, there's a solution. She could send notes
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Speaker 2: to guests apologizing for the confusus in saying that she
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Speaker 2: looked forward to seeing at the rescheduled wedding and clarified
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Speaker 2: that if the wedding is postponed and definitely the gift
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Speaker 2: should definitely be returned. That's an interesting scenario to have
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Speaker 2: play out. I don't wish that on anyone, but this
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Speaker 2: is the world we live in now. It's not just
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Speaker 2: and it's interesting that we still do the miss Manners thing.
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Speaker 2: That's also because there's so many places you can go to,
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Speaker 2: you know, Reddit, and they've got like a whole am
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Speaker 2: I the a hole you know thing, and so there's
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Speaker 2: so many different ways for all this to play out.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, best of luck to them with the eventual wedding.
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Speaker 2: And it doesn't say here what he was arrested for,
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Speaker 2: so all right, that'll do it for this Monday edition
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