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LeVar Burton and the Magic of Reading Rainbow · Children of the 80s

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  Speaker 1: Children of the Eighties is brought to you by Q
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  Speaker 1: one O six point five Internet Radio. You can find
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  Speaker 1: it online at Q one o six five dot com
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  Speaker 1: or download the app Welcome back to Children of the Eighties.
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  Speaker 1: I am Lindsey and with me today is my co
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  Speaker 1: host and partner in crime Jem Butler, who I found
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the reading rainbow sitting in LeVar
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  Speaker 1: Burton's lap. How's it going over there?
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  Speaker 2: You know it's it's going pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about half past dead, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Half past dead in a quarter to your grave?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so still living the dream. I actually go back
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  Speaker 2: to work next Monday.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: And I am basically like a kid in the summer, right.
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  Speaker 2: I've had all summer off. I'm not really looking forward
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  Speaker 2: to waking up early and going back to work. However,
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  Speaker 2: I am excited to go back and see my friends.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. I mean, you've been out of work so long.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot that you worked.
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  Speaker 2: I know I did too, and I was kind of
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  Speaker 2: hoping that I wouldn't have to. I mean, you didn't
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  Speaker 2: do your job of winning the lottery while I was out.
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  Speaker 1: I tried so did you. No, Actually I didn't. My
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  Speaker 1: mama taught me better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You got a better chance of getting struck
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  Speaker 2: by lightning twice than you do of winning the lottery.
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  Speaker 1: So, first of all, I'm thankful that you get the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to go back to work. Yes, absolutely healthy enough
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  Speaker 1: to go back to work. Yes, so I'm thankful for that.
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  Speaker 1: Second of all, it's gonna kick.
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  Speaker 2: Your rear in.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I know, ah, I know who get right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy? Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: go to bed at like eight o'clock every night.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so I remember when we had Emmy, and
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  Speaker 1: of course you know those first couple of months. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: they're rough. You don't do a lot of sleeping, you
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  Speaker 1: do not, And I remember people would ask us how
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? And normally, you know, the mom answers,
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  Speaker 1: because the mom's the one that's had the baby. She's
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  Speaker 1: going through it, maybe with breastfeeding or whatever. You always
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  Speaker 1: jumped right in there and been like, I'm exhausted.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so tired because I can't go with less
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  Speaker 2: than six hours of sleep, and I couldn't even get
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  Speaker 2: two hours of sleep in a row without that child
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  Speaker 2: waking them.
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  Speaker 1: Up, So you're a sleeper.
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  Speaker 2: So what I found was once she got big enough
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  Speaker 2: that we could get her belly full enough that she
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  Speaker 2: would sleep for five hours, that changed the game. If
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  Speaker 2: I got five straight hours of sleep, even if I
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  Speaker 2: got interrupted, and I was able to go back to sleep,
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  Speaker 2: everything was good, Yes, but the waking up every hour
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  Speaker 2: and a half to two hours was not good for me.
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  Speaker 2: Which is kind of ironic because ever since this kidney surgery,
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  Speaker 2: I've been waking up every two hours to use the restroom. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so that's probably why I'm as exhausted as I was
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  Speaker 2: with them. However, I don't have to go to work.
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  Speaker 1: But you see the parallel I'm drawing there?
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  Speaker 2: I do see the parallel that you're drawing there.
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  Speaker 1: Are you making fun of the way I talk? No?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, But again, do you see the absurdity of
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  Speaker 1: me having birth did the ten pound baby, and you
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  Speaker 1: answering how exhausted you are? I was exhausted, Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 2: People ask me how I was, dude. I told them
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  Speaker 2: I'm exhausted. Why would anybody have more than one of
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  Speaker 2: these things?
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  Speaker 1: But they weren't asking you. I don't think I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what you're missing the point.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think they were asking me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they were.
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  Speaker 2: I think so I'm a narcissist. Of course they were
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  Speaker 2: asking me. I'm not a narcissist, but I am very
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  Speaker 2: uh self focused too, well, very selfish most men are. Yeah, So,
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  Speaker 2: how's your week been? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I've been holding a storyline in the back of my
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  Speaker 1: head and I thought I was going to finally get
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  Speaker 1: to tell it today, and then turns out I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have to continue to hold it for a little
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  Speaker 1: while longer. Kind of has a true crime like been
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  Speaker 1: to it because you had the idea for this week's episode,
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  Speaker 1: which is fine. I don't have an issue with that,
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  Speaker 1: But when do I get to do my true crime episode?
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  Speaker 2: Do you mean true crime episode? What are you talking about? Crime?
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  Speaker 1: I can if I tell you, then I've told you,
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  Speaker 1: and I've told everybody else, and then there'll be no
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  Speaker 1: need to I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Why you couldn't have told me off the air, or
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  Speaker 2: I can bleep you out so nobody understands what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Are you ready?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? What is your episode idea about? Who? I heard that,
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  Speaker 2: I heard what almost happened, and I heard the show.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't hear you hit the female.
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  Speaker 1: Hit the button again.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying a one word name is if I'm as
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  Speaker 2: if Madonna was on Growing Pains or Share.
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  Speaker 1: Hit the button again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, really when in the eighties? Uh huh okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we can definitely talk about.
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  Speaker 1: That, see but not today.
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  Speaker 2: No, all right, I couldn't hardly hear you over the censory.
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  Speaker 2: So let me tell you about my week. So the
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  Speaker 2: people who follow me on X know this already. They
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  Speaker 2: read it because I'm posted it on X. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: driving home the other day from I think going to
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  Speaker 2: get lunch. So I went to get us lunch and
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming back home and I get stopped at a
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  Speaker 2: stop sign. I'm stop stop sign, stop light because nobody
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  Speaker 2: would sit at a stop sign for as long as
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  Speaker 2: I said, at that stop light unless they had an episode.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm sitting at the stop light.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, a medical episode. Yeah, like a podcast episode.
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  Speaker 2: So some kind of like medical episode. So I'm sitting
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  Speaker 2: at the stop light. All of a sudden, this car
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  Speaker 2: pulls up next to me, and it's really loud, and
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  Speaker 2: I can hear the music coming from it. That's really loud.
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  Speaker 2: They pull up right next to me, the front windows
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  Speaker 2: halfway down, the back windows all the way down. They
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  Speaker 2: are jamming Hurts so good by John Cougar Mellencamp. And
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  Speaker 2: not only that the data is singing it in the car,
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  Speaker 2: but then like the eight to eleven year old son
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  Speaker 2: is sitting in back, buckled up, singing it every single
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  Speaker 2: word at the top of his lungs.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And so I looked over at the dad gave
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  Speaker 2: him a thumbs up, like job, well done, dad, and
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  Speaker 2: he gave me a thumbs up like he knew what
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  Speaker 2: I was talking about. And then the light turned green,
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  Speaker 2: and then we drove off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. That's like a commercial.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was. It was so cool to know
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  Speaker 2: that another dad out there is teaching his kid the classics.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I love that. What a cool little kid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would like to introduce him to emmy.
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  Speaker 1: I know they could be buddies.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I don't have anything else. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: all the bullets in my gun.
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  Speaker 1: So oh gosh, he fired a Merlyn.
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  Speaker 2: I did, how So do you have anything? I just
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  Speaker 2: want to get right too.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like we hit record and I've never
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  Speaker 1: done this before.
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  Speaker 2: You've never hit record before, never.
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  Speaker 1: Done an episode before. I just feel like my mind
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  Speaker 1: went blank. I got a little nervous. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what to say. I Where am I? What am I doing?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know?
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  Speaker 2: Do you Ross Perot's running mate from back in the day?
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  Speaker 1: Who am I?
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  Speaker 2: Why am I here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't think I got anything else?
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it. Then.
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  Speaker 1: This is a podcast that looks back on the decade
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  Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighties. We talk about things that were
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  Speaker 1: important to us as children and what we look back
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  Speaker 1: on with fond memories as adults. Ultimately, this is a
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  Speaker 1: nostalgia podcast. I have something, You have something? I have something?
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: I got something to talk?
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  Speaker 2: I mean we need to go back.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we are getting the Dolorean.
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  Speaker 2: All right, what do you got?
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  Speaker 1: We had a couple of listeners find a classic pizza
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  Speaker 1: hut in their community and they went and visited it
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  Speaker 1: and enjoyed their meal and got a pan pizza.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Johnny, Julie Middleton, thank you so much for sending
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  Speaker 2: those pictures. Those were awesome. They got a pan pizza.
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  Speaker 2: They went into a classic pizza hut. They wore their
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  Speaker 2: children of the eighties shirt.
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  Speaker 1: And they took our magnet and stuck at a couple
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  Speaker 1: of fun places. Yeah, we took some pictures. I'll post
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  Speaker 1: a couple of those on social media.
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  Speaker 2: But how awesome representing? Yes, thank you for bringing that up.
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  Speaker 2: We started a movement. Okay, yes, we're like Gandhi or something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, that was really cool. Johnny Julie, thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for doing that and for sending the picture.
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  Speaker 2: That was really really cool. And so hopefully you get
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  Speaker 2: as much excitement out of this episode as you did
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  Speaker 2: the last episode, and maybe you'll go read a few
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  Speaker 2: books or something. Oh wait, what before we get to that.
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  Speaker 1: I know because I'm middle aged.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I have another nominee for the middle aged man.
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  Speaker 2: They keep coming in, oh man, okay, and I keep
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  Speaker 2: sending them to you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me hear it.
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  Speaker 2: This came in from a longtime listener, first time caller.
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  Speaker 2: Uh he nominated. So it's a guy. The guy nominated
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  Speaker 2: mister Dean Norris, also known as Hank Schrader from Breaking Bad.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like Breaking Bad is the only thing
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  Speaker 1: I know him from.
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  Speaker 2: He he was in Lethal Weapon back in nineteen eighty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Oh was he and looked the exact same as he
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  Speaker 2: did at the end of Breaking Bad in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually kind of a genius one.
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  Speaker 2: I thought so too. Yeah, Lethal Weapon, the first and
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  Speaker 2: the second one, Total Recall, Terminator, two Starship Troopers, and
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  Speaker 2: then Breaking Bad. I mean he basically looked the same
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  Speaker 2: for the last thirty five years. Do you have a picture,
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  Speaker 2: I do have a picture. Let me look him up.
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  Speaker 2: Here are pictures of him at various ages, and as
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  Speaker 2: you can see, he never really changes.
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  Speaker 1: That So he looks the exact same age in every picture.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and these are all from different years.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot tell if that's nineteen eighty two or twenty
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  Speaker 1: and twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, So flipping around, let me see one more time.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes his weight changes a little bit, right, that's.
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  Speaker 2: The only that's the only way he changes though. His
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  Speaker 2: face never changes, his bald head never changes, his smile
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  Speaker 2: never changes.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty that's pretty genius.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So this was nineteen ninety seven. Here I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna hand that to you right.
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  Speaker 1: There, Hold on, all there we.
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  Speaker 2: Go, nineteen ninety seven, when he was thirty four years old.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, he's got a really good smile. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I got I got something to say.
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  Speaker 2: What's it?
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  Speaker 1: He's in? Mister Dean Norris is in, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the club, mister Dean Norris, mister Hank Schrader
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  Speaker 2: as we know him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so who nominated him?
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  Speaker 2: That would be one, mister. I can't tell you, because
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  Speaker 2: he also nominated for the women's wing. Oh okay, and
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  Speaker 2: I believe that you mentioned this person to me while
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  Speaker 2: we were off the air, so I'm pretty sure she
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  Speaker 2: will get.
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  Speaker 1: In, okay, and then you'll tell me.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'll tell you. He also nominated Miss Jessica
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  Speaker 2: Flescher herself, Angela Lansbury, She's in. Yeah, I knew that
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  Speaker 2: was that was a shoe and that was like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: that was like Lou Garrett coming up for nomination and
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  Speaker 2: you just go, yeah, they're in. So that both of
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  Speaker 2: those were nominated by Dave from Totally Eighties and nineties recalled.
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  Speaker 1: Dave, I should have known.
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  Speaker 2: He jumped into the mix here with the nominations. He
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  Speaker 2: had never nominated anybody before, and he listened to our
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  Speaker 2: episode last week and was like, Hey, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you've talked about this guy. But if you have, then
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  Speaker 2: you have. But then he said Dean Norris, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, he hasn't changed in forty years.
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  Speaker 1: Good nomination, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Good nominations. Okay, So now I guess it's time to
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  Speaker 2: transition to today's topic, right, Lindsey, I have a song
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  Speaker 2: for you that is going to stick in your head
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  Speaker 2: for the rest of your girl.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, Butterfly in the Ah, I can go
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  Speaker 3: twice as high.
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  Speaker 4: Take up a look.
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  Speaker 3: It's getting a book, a.
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  Speaker 4: Reading rainbow, a candle anyway.
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  Speaker 2: For ends to know?
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  Speaker 1: And wis the growl a reading rainbow?
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  Speaker 3: A can anything?
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  Speaker 4: Take a look, it's getting a book, a reading rainbow.
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  Speaker 2: Rain There is not too many kids shows that give
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  Speaker 2: me thick shells like that one does, like the Goosebombs,
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  Speaker 2: the warm and Fuzzies all that. I love that song.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. That takes me right back to childhood.
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  Speaker 1: I loved almost every children's PBS show there was, but
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  Speaker 1: had a special place for Reading Rainbow in my heart.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and that song, to me is better than Sesame
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  Speaker 2: Street song. Oh, it's better than mister Rogers' song. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's not as iconic, right because those went on for
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  Speaker 2: decades and decades and decades, and Reading Rainbow is just
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  Speaker 2: kind of like gen X into millennials. So it didn't.
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  Speaker 2: But that's just a better song. So those opening notes
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  Speaker 2: of that song are enough to transport millions of us
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  Speaker 2: gen xers back to childhood.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean people that listening to us now,
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  Speaker 1: we've all got the warm fuzzies all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: Before streaming, before YouTube, before kids had unlimited entertainment options. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: PBS was a place where we went to learn, explore,
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  Speaker 2: and imagine. And Reading Rainbow wasn't just a show about books,
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  Speaker 2: was it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? No, was a lot more than that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was a show about curiosity. So let me
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  Speaker 2: ask you this. Did you watch Reading Rainbow after school?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly when I watched it. I
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  Speaker 1: can't place when I watched it, but I can guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you I've seen almost every episode. It was a staple.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we didn't have cable, so you watched PBS very regularly.
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  Speaker 1: All the children's shows on PBS I watched. And at
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  Speaker 1: the time, I love to read. I know you don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that now that there was ever a time that
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  Speaker 1: I loved books, But I loved to read, and I
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  Speaker 1: loved books, and there was something about the way LeVar
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  Speaker 1: Burton read the books to us right during the episode.
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  Speaker 1: But there was something about the way he told the
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  Speaker 1: stories about the other places he was visiting and the
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  Speaker 1: things he was doing and the people he was meeting,
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  Speaker 1: something about all of that. He had a real talent
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  Speaker 1: for talking to the kids on their level, but not
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  Speaker 1: talking down to them, right.
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  Speaker 2: So I remember hitting the door from like elementary school
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  Speaker 2: or middle school, coming through the door to get ready
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  Speaker 2: to go do whatever it is I was going to do.
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  Speaker 2: If it was warm outside, I was going to go
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  Speaker 2: outside and play, and if it was cold outside, I
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  Speaker 2: was probably going to go play video games. But I
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  Speaker 2: certainly wasn't going to do my homework. And it seemed
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  Speaker 2: like almost every time I hit the door, this song
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  Speaker 2: it had just started really right, and so I absolutely
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  Speaker 2: loved it. What do you remember more of the books
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  Speaker 2: or the adventures?
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  Speaker 1: The Adventures?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's probably what most kids do. Did
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  Speaker 2: you ever actually go and find one of the books
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  Speaker 2: that they posted on there, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think so. I don't think I ever specifically. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I may have stumbled across one of the books because
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  Speaker 1: I loved books, and I loved the library, so I
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  Speaker 1: could see that I would have stumbled upon one, but
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  Speaker 1: never went specifically to look for one.
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  Speaker 2: Did they ever do any books that you had already read?
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  Speaker 1: Probably, I would think, So. Okay, Now we did an
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  Speaker 1: episode I think in season one where I shared about
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  Speaker 1: a specific episode of reading Rainbow that freaked me out.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to go over it again, because it's
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  Speaker 2: been like three and a half years.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't wasn't quite sure there for a while if
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  Speaker 1: it was really an episode of reading Rainbow or was
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  Speaker 1: it all a fever dream with you could go either
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  Speaker 1: way fifty to fifty. Turns out it was really an
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  Speaker 1: episode really reading Rainbow.
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  Speaker 2: No way, are we going to get into that later?
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  Speaker 2: A you're going to tell us about that.
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  Speaker 1: Now we'll get into it, all right, okay, So LeVar
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  Speaker 1: Burton was reading us a book something about goats. I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember. I think it was a goat family. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was a mommy goat, daddy goat, baby goat,
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  Speaker 1: maybe little boy goat, and about they couldn't find anything
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  Speaker 1: that maybe the little boy wanted to eat. I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember exactly. Goats eat everything therein lies the look of
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  Speaker 1: the story. And so his adventure was he as LeVar Burton,
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  Speaker 1: entered a cafe where turns out the people in the cafe,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: like the person behind the counter, the patrons at the table, whatever,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: they weren't people. They were people.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Goats people goats And it was like the Adam Sandler
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: thing goat boy. It was in a button hooked.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Them freaked me out because they were the size of people.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: If you saw them from the back, they looked like people,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: but they would turn around and they were goat people.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And I was so freaked out as a child. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: then at the very end he LeVar goes to order
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: something and Levar's like, well, what's what's good? And he
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: was like, oh the I hope he didn't say the goat,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the old shoe or something as good, or I recommend
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the tire or something like that. Anyways, he goes and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: brings LeVar or something totally inedible, and that was his meal,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and I was just it stuck with me as a child.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how much room that took up
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in my brain growing up.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: All Right, well, what we're going to do is we're
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: going to give you a rundown of how Reading Rainbow
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: came about, what it was about, all that fun stuff.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: But before we get to that, let's set the mood here.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Back in America in the late nineteen seventies, parents and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: educators were increasingly worried that children were spending too much
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: time waction TV. And I can tell you that I
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: am one of those. Reading scores were a concern. Now,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that wasn't a problem for me, but it was for
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of kids. And the common belief was that
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: television was the enemy of books. I mean, they're not
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: necessarily wrong, because when you watch a television show, it's
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: all there for you. But when you read a book,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: you get to use your imagination and you get to
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: imagine what it looks like. So there was an educator
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that had a different idea. She thought, what if television
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: could be used to create readers instead of replacing reading.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And that person was Twila Legett. Oh, so that's a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: unique name, that is, So who was Twila?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Twila Lagett was not a TV executive. She
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: came from the education world. She earned a degree in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: education and spent years working as a teacher, an educational researcher,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and a professor. Her career centered around early childhood education
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and literacy.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm sure then the TV probably frustrated her, but
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: possibly schools were frustrating her too.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, schools were very good at teaching children the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: mechanics of reading.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Now what do you mean by that?
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so school could teach kids letters, sounds, vocabulary, comprehension,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: but how do you teach a child to enjoy reading?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you that you really don't. Like
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: they taught me to read. I could read in kindergarten.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: That was fun because it was new, But I can
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: tell you by the time I got to like third
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: grade and they'd be like, hey, read this book for
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: a grade, I was like, yeah, not going to do it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You'd be like, no, thank you.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'd be like, no, thanks, that doesn't interest me really,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and then I'd ended up getting grounded because I didn't
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: do my homework and you know all that fun stuff.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: But I was just basically like, yeah, no, I don't
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: want to read. Like I would read what I wanted
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: to read. I would go to the library and check
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: out football books and read those all day long. But
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to read The Lion, the Witch and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the wardrobe, even as fascinating as it was, because they
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: were forcing me to I didn't care. So so what
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: was her idea?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: She believed children needed to see books as invents, not
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: his assignment.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's one hundred percent correct. If somebody had
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: approached me like that, they might have got me.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Here's her big idea. Logett envisioned a TV program where
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: books were the starting point. Children were treated intelligently so
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: they weren't talked down. I was gonna say, we don't
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: like to be talked down to as kids or as adults.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Curiosity was encouraged. LeVar always wanted you to use your
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: imagination and reading connected to the real world. Okay, Okay,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know that last one are they're really goat people.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Her philosophy is a child who loves books will naturally
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: want to read. That's a no brainer.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: That is correct. So I got a fun little section
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: here called did you know? Based on my research? So
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: did you know that Reading Rainbow was not created to
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: teach children how to read? Well? Yeah you did know
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that because you just explained to me what her her
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: idea was. The goal was to discover why books are amazing. Yeah, right,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: because if you discover why books are amazing, then obviously
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you'll want to read, all right. So Larry Lancet and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Cecily Truett Lancet were experienced producers who specialized in children's programming,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and they believe that children's television didn't need to be loud, silly,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: or that it needed to talk down to kids. Their
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: philosophy was that children are smarter than adults often give
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: them credit for, and they wanted a show that respected
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: children's imaginations. So at TV station WNED TV in Buffalo
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: is where the show was developed through because it had
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: become a leader in educational programming, and they were willing
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to take chances on projects other stations might ignore. So
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: it's funny that this state in Buffalo did that because
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: we had a station in Saint Louis, our local PBS
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: station in Saint Louis. Did the letter People. Yep. Not
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of people around the nation know what the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: letter people were. But I was fascinated by the letter People.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I saw them for the first time in kindergarten and
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: then would go home and watch them. So I love
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the fact that local PBS stations were willing to take
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: chances on stuff that wasn't you know, in the mainstream,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: but the show almost didn't happen. The children's show about
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: books sounded very risky, and if you think about it,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: that makes sense, right, like, let's make a television show
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: where a person talks about children's books. That didn't sound
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: too exciting, right, not at all? So the executives had
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: these questions with kids watch would it be entertaining, would
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it be too much like school? And could books compete
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: with cartoons? The original pilot was created before the series
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: actually officially premiered, and the creators had to prove that
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: a show centered around books that actually hold children's attention.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, So how did they find mister LeVar Burton? Let's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about him. What do you think?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: All right? Okay? So who's uh LeVar? And what did
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: he do before reading Rainbow?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: We love LaVar? So LaVar was in Roots. Yes, he
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: came to household name by being in Roots, playing the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: part of Kuntakinte. And he was only nineteen years old
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: at the time.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, nineteen seventy seven.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: And that was a mini series and it became one
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: of the biggest television events ever and it basically made
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: him an overnight star.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: He was also from Star Trek. Now I don't know
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a whole lot about Star.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: The Star Trek I believe was after oh It Rainbow.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well he was perfect though, right when they
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: cast him in Reading he was?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: But why, Like I remember he was, I remember watching
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: him and enjoying him and linking him. But why do
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you think that was?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Because he had this warm about him that children picked
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: up all. He was intelligent, but he wasn't like intimidating,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and he could communicate with a level of excitement that got.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: The kid's attention. Okay, yeah, I think all that makes sense, right, Okay.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So but he was hesitant. He was not immediately convinced
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that this was the job for him. He was concerned
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: because he didn't want to make another like just boring
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: educational program where an adult lectures children. He wanted something
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that was authentic. He wanted something that respected children. When
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: he learned the philosophy was we want children to fall
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: in love with reading, he got that and then he
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, yeah, I think I want to do this.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: You watched more Reading Rainbow than I did, so why
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: don't you kind of explain the structure of the show.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So an episode of the show always around a book.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: So each episode was about a different book, not always
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: like the most famous books or the most popular books
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: out there. Many were lesser known books that deserved attention.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And then he went on a field trip, and the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: field trip somehow related to the book. So the book
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: just became a doorway for the adventure. Okay, So was
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: it a book about animals? Well, then he visited a zoo.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Was it a book about transportation? He would go visit
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: a railroad, a book about space, Let's go visit NASA.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: So the message was reading takes you places.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know, as kids, we loved field trips, right,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: We liked it when we were in school, and we
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: hopped on a bus and we went down to whatever.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Some of my favorite field trips I remember we went
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to like the Hostess factory. Oh wow, that looked really
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: boring because it was just people like Laverne and Shirley.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: It was stuff that looked really boring. But I specifically
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: remember that may have been the first field trip that
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I ever took.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Now that's funny.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: We went to the planetarium, which oh oh yeah, I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: love because I loved everything about space. I would have
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: loved to have visited NASA with LeVar.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Sounded like he had the job.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: He was traveling all over the place, he was reading
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: kids books, he was getting paid. I mean, but yeah,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: kids love field trips, right, So all right, go ahead,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: keep going, though I interrupted you.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: So possibly the most important segment was he had children
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: recommending books to other children. So you'd have a child
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: on the episode who recommended a book to the children
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: who were the audiences watching at home or at school.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Did you ever hear that and go I want that
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: book or I want to read that book?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, because the little kid, the you know, the way
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that little kid would describe the book would get my attention,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: right because he had the natural like enthusiasm because it
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: was a book that, you know, sheer he liked.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I want to talk about the theme song.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I played it earlier. I loved that theme song.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I could listen to it one hundred times a day.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Butterfly in the Sky I can go twice as take
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: us a look.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: It's in a book A reading range.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: That was actually written by Steve Horlick, Dennis Neil Kleinman,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and Janet weir So. The original singer on this was
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a lady named Tina Fabric. She is a singer and
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: an actress. When she was sixteen years old, she won
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: an award from the Apollo Theater.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Wow. So in the year two thousands.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: They changed it up and Johnny Kemp began to sing
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the theme song. You know who Johnny Kemp is who?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you recognize that right in the year two
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: thousand Taka con detit ah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think I saw that. So here's Johnny's Kimp's version,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: which I don't like nearly as much as the original.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: This is nineteen ninety nine.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Got a Fly in the Sky, I can go twice
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: as high.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Take a look in a book reading now, no, no,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: no stop.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I can't go anyway, preston, don't waste to grow a reading.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I can't reading. Take a look.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: In a book reading. Oh, it just doesn't end there.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: We not your jam. Huh? You know what I need?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: A cleanser.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Can anyway.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: For ends to know and weeds to grow a reading.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Rainbow.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Cam anything, take a look. It's in a book a
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: reading rainboy.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say that this song became legend wait
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: for it, dairy, all right, it was. It was catchy. Yeah,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and I guarantee you that many of us Gen X
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: are adults today can remember very little details of a
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: specific episode, but can sing the entire theme song yes, absolutely,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: forty years later because it was that catchy.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: So I want to point out one of the really
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: cool things about the adventures that he went on in
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: association with whatever the book was about. It also made
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: me want to get out and see things.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it did kind of make you want to
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: travel a little bit.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Did it broadened my horizons because as a little kid,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you don't know much outside of your house, your school,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: maybe a grandparents house or something like that. You know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: so getting to see the world in a much bigger picture,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I mean that was cool. I liked that.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I want to know, was there any locations that you
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: were like, I really want to go see that, or
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: something that you were like, oh my gosh, that looks freaky.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go see you.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want to go see it.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I know, I didn't want to go see the goat people.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why you're poo poo in that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: It was horrifying you had to be really little because
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I would have been laughing. It was not funny. It
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: was not funny. But are there any memorable field trips
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that he took her?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Any? But I enjoyed anything as it had to do
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: with the animals. So anytime you went to a farm
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: or a zoo or anything to see the animals, I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: loved that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: That makes sense because there was a time where Emmy
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: was three years old and we went up to Saint
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Louis and visited a farm and a donkey. He hawt
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: at you, and you laughed and said that it was
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the greatest day of your life. Now I went to
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: remind you that you had one one day that you
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: got married to me, and then another day that you
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: had your child. But that day was the greatest day
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: of your life.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, I will never forget that. That was awesome.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: So it makes sense that you liked the the ones
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: where they went to farms and had animals and stuff.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about did it actually work? And I'm going
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to say yes, it did, because you and I remember
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: it right. But they the challenge was when they were
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: doing their research, was how do you measure a show
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: designed to create curiosity? Because it wasn't designed to improve
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: test scores, which is an easy metric, right. It was
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: designed to create readers. But research found that it increased
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: interest in books. It gave stronger positive attitudes toward reading
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: from the children who watched it. It was very popular
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: in the classroom, and it increased library engagement. That's so
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: it did its job.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: So here here's how I know it worked. Are you ready? Yeah?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: It won a total of twenty six Daytime Emmy Awards,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: including something like ten or eleven for Outstanding Children's Series
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Wow in nineteen ninety three, little Bit Past the eighties,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: It won a Peabody Award, and it won the Parents
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and Teachers' Choice Awards nine different times. So that's how
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I know it worked, all right.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: But the world of education started to change in the
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: two thighs. This is where they totally screwed up school
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: when they decided to change the shift and the funding
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and start teaching to the test rather than actually making
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: kids excited and learning to read and learning to think
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Right, So Reading Rainbow was about
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: motivation and that became harder to fund. So the final
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: production came in two thousand and six, and reruns continued
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: until two thousand and nine, but ultimately it stopped because
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: education changed and kind of screwed everything up. Really, that's sad.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about our buddy LeVar here real quick. What's
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: his legacy?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So, I mean obviously reading Rainbow, but also I think
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: we can't forget about Star Trek.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, he was a big time character in Star Trek.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: He also got into directing and producing. But along this
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: line he got into literacy advocacy and he has a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: podcast of course, he Avar Burton reads. You know, he
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: was he was one of the finalists to host Jeopardy
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: and I kind of wish they were that. I kind
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: of wish they would have picked them.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: That would have been a really cool, like full circle moment.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, so King Jennings does a find job, don't get
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: me wrong, But LeVar would have been great because he
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: would have been that comfort to us gen X kids
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: who grew up loving Reading Rainbow and hating Jeopardy. Right,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Jeopardy because we're we've got enough world knowledge to at
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: least understand it. Uh. And so LeVar would have been
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: kind of like that chicken noodle soup or that comfort
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: food of seeing him on Jeopardy. All right. Well, you
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: know a few shows survived decades after leaving television, but
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Reading Rainbow did because it wasn't really about television, was it. No,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: it was not about imagination and learning to read and
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the field trips and LeVar and everything else that was
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: that was good about that show. It was all so
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Planet. Yeah, you know, we're not on here to preach,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: but that's kind of what we miss today. We miss
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: our children don't have an imagination anymore, and that's a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: really important part of developing your brain.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Their faces are stuck in these devices right now.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: So it provides endorphins that maybe Raining Rainbow didn't, but
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean it's good for them.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Right Yeah, well yeah no, because then you're chasing endorphins
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life, right, And that's.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Not that's doine, No, not at all, not at all.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: All right, folks, Well, that wraps us up for this episode.
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