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Doordash delivery girl arrested, Tiktok's fav detransitioner and more | Maintaining Frame 192 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. And he is Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining frame number
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  Speaker 1: one ninety two. DoorDash delivery girl arrested TikTok's fave d
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  Speaker 1: transitioner and more So, we got a few things we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about. One is an update on
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  Speaker 1: the situation with the DoorDash delivery girl that went viral
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  Speaker 1: for recording a naked man and then claiming that she
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  Speaker 1: was actually sexually assaulted by him. And that was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to follow up on it. I covered it
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  Speaker 1: on the news show when it happened I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like a few weeks back, and there have been some
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  Speaker 1: updates developments, Yeah, some developments. And we also have a
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  Speaker 1: couple of videos to look at. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: much time we can spend on them, but one is
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  Speaker 1: a video by a channel called Psychoor which basically has
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  Speaker 1: a It's entitled why millions of men are vanishing from
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  Speaker 1: and why it should terrify you? It seems like a
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  Speaker 1: really obvious thing to say. And then we have one
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  Speaker 1: from Queer Kiwi called TikTok's favorite d transitioner where she
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  Speaker 1: talks about a man who has decided that he is
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  Speaker 1: in fact a man and wants to live as a man,
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  Speaker 1: and why she simultaneously has no problem with it but
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  Speaker 1: also has a problem with it. So those are like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So that's Badgination dot online. And yeah, let's uh, let's
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  Speaker 2: get into the things. Let's just get start without.
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  Speaker 1: Any further ado, Yes, without any further ado. So we
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  Speaker 1: have a follow up for the door dash situation DoorDash
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  Speaker 1: delivery girl. You guys might remember I have a clip here.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a little bit from It's from October twentieth, so
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  Speaker 1: about a month ago. This happened. This woman take your delivery,
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  Speaker 1: found a man naked.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that's blurred because otherwise we're gonna be screwed
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  Speaker 2: in YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: Hey guys, just deactivated me two days after I reported
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  Speaker 3: my sexual but what is it?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I just realized you you have shaved off your mustache.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah right, yeah, it was bothering me. I'll let
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  Speaker 1: it go back then, but maybe a little bit more controlled. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I got rid of the the uh gold miner mustache.
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  Speaker 1: But it'll grow back, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, okay, all right, Hey guys, I just lost
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  Speaker 4: my job and they won't tell me why. I They're
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  Speaker 4: supposed to send an email immediately after deactivation providing you
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  Speaker 4: the reason why and a link to appeal.
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  Speaker 1: And they didn't.
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  Speaker 3: So I contacted support and they made me sit on
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  Speaker 3: the phone with them for fifty minutes just to tell
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  Speaker 3: me that they can't tell me the reason why. And
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  Speaker 3: I could just go ahead and appeal without knowing why.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder why.
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  Speaker 1: They Oh yeah, I mean this goes on. But she
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  Speaker 1: claims that like essentially she was actually assaulted by this guy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that he tricked her into approaching his open
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  Speaker 1: door and like that he would so he could like
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  Speaker 1: lay there pretending to be asleep with his junk out.
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  Speaker 1: Very elaborate, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Very elaborated constructed. Can we just can we just say
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  Speaker 2: a few seconds of how absolutely bad ship? She sounds like,
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  Speaker 2: you go a little bit further in into that video
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  Speaker 2: and maybe expand it which one. Yeah, just yeah, avoid
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  Speaker 2: avoid the junk because YouTube will be like, no.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna okay, So it just says here a
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  Speaker 1: man named Austin orders door Dash. He's also doxing his name.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, h Order's door Dash selects the option
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  Speaker 1: to have the order left of the door seize his
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  Speaker 1: door dasher me has a female name falls asleep on
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  Speaker 1: the couch, which he puts in quotes because you know,
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  Speaker 1: men never do anything like on accident or whatever they do.
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  Speaker 1: It's always it's always predatory with his pants and underwear
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  Speaker 1: down to his ankles and his front door wide open
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  Speaker 1: in fifty nine degree weather. So this is what I
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  Speaker 1: see when I have to leave the.
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  Speaker 2: Order, and we're not going to show that because you no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not go about thirty seconds beyond this, so.
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  Speaker 1: Like what like right here?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's just right right there. My god, that
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  Speaker 2: was my only way to make money to pay my belt.
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  Speaker 3: Three days ago, October twelve, twenty twenty five, I was
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  Speaker 3: a victim of essay by a door dash customer while
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  Speaker 3: I was doing my job.
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  Speaker 2: Essay. Okay, Well, first of all, this is by no
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  Speaker 2: means sexual assault. This could be considered exposure if it
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  Speaker 2: was intentional from on his part, like it could be
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  Speaker 2: indecent exposure, but it is not sexual assault. So right
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  Speaker 2: off the bat, massive exaggeration by this individual.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think they lost their job and then trying
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  Speaker 1: this is what I think is going on. She lost
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  Speaker 1: her job she acted in appropriately. Maybe she thought it
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  Speaker 1: was funny. Maybe she couldn't pass it up as an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to like, you know, show something on social media. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like exposed some guy for being a perv or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But she probably didn't think anything of it and then
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  Speaker 1: did not realize you overset the boundary, lost her job,
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  Speaker 1: got really upset, and now she's like, Okay, I gotta,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta somehow I got to be the victim of
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  Speaker 1: this so that I can get a payout or something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the I don't think that's the timeline.
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  Speaker 2: I think she actually alleged sexual assault during when it happened,
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  Speaker 2: when it happened. I could be wrong, but I've heard
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  Speaker 2: that the timeline is that she started with the false accusation,
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  Speaker 2: and it is a false accusation. It is even if
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  Speaker 2: even if he planned all this, it's still in decent exposure.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't touch her. The assault actually requires some form
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  Speaker 2: of physical contact, and there was none. Okay, and but
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  Speaker 2: let's let's let's keep let's do a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's not long, right, so we could just listen.
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  Speaker 3: And I've seen this. This is my third time posting
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  Speaker 3: this I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Not going to share it if she's going to show
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  Speaker 1: it again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, right now, my account is going
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  Speaker 3: to be banned.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna yeah, just so that we clarify, she filmed
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  Speaker 2: this man naked, uploaded it to the internet with identifying details, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and then she alleged that he engaged in a criminal
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  Speaker 2: activity that he categorically could not have done based on
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  Speaker 2: her own testimony, all right. And then door dash found
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  Speaker 2: out about this, and they terminated her account, or they
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  Speaker 2: suspended her, and then they terminated her account, and also
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  Speaker 2: the police got involved, so they took her statement, and
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  Speaker 2: when she uploaded this video, the police investigation was pending,
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  Speaker 2: so they hadn't figured anything out at that point, right,
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  Speaker 2: And now she's continuing to dig the hole deeper, of course,
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  Speaker 2: because that's what you do when you've never had reason,
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  Speaker 2: you've never actually experienced consequences to your actions. So let's
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  Speaker 2: let's continue, all right.
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  Speaker 3: The door dash customer requested that their order be left
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  Speaker 3: at their front door. When I arrived at their front door,
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  Speaker 3: their front door was wide open, their lights were on,
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  Speaker 3: and they were sleeping on the couch within eyesight of
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  Speaker 3: the front door with their pants and underwear pulled down
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  Speaker 3: to their ankles, and they were indecently exposed to me.
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  Speaker 2: At least she got it right this time.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not even going to be posting the video
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  Speaker 3: clip anymore because I'm pretty sure that's what's getting me
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  Speaker 3: the strikes.
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  Speaker 2: You think, Yeah, there are several with your video doc sing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if we care about the situation for men,
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  Speaker 2: this could be a form of revenge born because you
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  Speaker 2: found this man offensive, all right, and then you uploaded
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  Speaker 2: his naked body and then the nudity.
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  Speaker 5: You might be getting it strike because you're uploading nudity, okay,
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  Speaker 5: and you're also uploading a video against presumably the consent
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  Speaker 5: of the person in it because she's unconscious.
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  Speaker 2: How could he have consented to it? So there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of reasons for this to be struck from Twitter
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  Speaker 2: or not Twitter TikTok the cesspit. Okay, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Reported it to DoorDash, and DoorDash did ban the customer,
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  Speaker 3: and then two days later DoorDash banned me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so let's let's just let okay, the.
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  Speaker 1: Timeline fired her.
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  Speaker 6: Technically, they took her word for it. They took her
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  Speaker 6: word for it all right. She's talking about being discriminated
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  Speaker 6: against by the system by demand, and the man first
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  Speaker 6: took her word for it, and then presumably they started
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  Speaker 6: looking into it and noticing.
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  Speaker 2: That there was a lot of stuff that wasn't adding up.
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  Speaker 2: For example, I'm pretty sure door Dash has access to
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  Speaker 2: her GPS data and maybe even dash cams. Who knows, right,
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  Speaker 2: But they realized something was not adding up, But their
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  Speaker 2: first instinct was to believe her and ban the customer.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to I want you to uphold that
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  Speaker 2: in mind every time women come out with we're so,
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  Speaker 2: when we talk about our sexual assault, we're so, everything
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  Speaker 2: is against us. No, it wasn't. She immediately got what
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  Speaker 2: she wanted and was immediately decided on her to her,
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  Speaker 2: to her on her side.
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  Speaker 1: M hm.
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  Speaker 2: But that wasn't good enough, because apparently after.
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  Speaker 7: Some you DoorDash had had had concerns, they had some
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  Speaker 7: they had some qualms, they had they had a few
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  Speaker 7: a few issues with the story that she was spinning.
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  Speaker 2: But let's continueculated.
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  Speaker 3: I appealed and they were supposed to respond to my
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  Speaker 3: appeal within seven to ten business days. They didn't even
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  Speaker 3: provide me a reason for my deactivation. They're supposed to
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  Speaker 3: send an email. They didn't, so I contacted support and
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  Speaker 3: they told me to continue with my appeal without knowing
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  Speaker 3: a reason why. There's an option to select don't know
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  Speaker 3: why I was deactivated, and then you still have to
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  Speaker 3: explain yourself. So I did, and within twelve hours afterward,
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  Speaker 3: they had already denied my appeal. So I'm really never
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  Speaker 3: getting my door dash account back. DoorDash deactivated me. DoorDash
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  Speaker 3: punished me for exposing my assaulter, and TikTok is currently
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  Speaker 3: punishing me for exposing my story time. And this is
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  Speaker 3: the only justice I'm getting because I also reported this
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  Speaker 3: to the police, and the police are doing nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And the first their first step. Doordash's first step was
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  Speaker 2: to kick off what is looking like her victim, because
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  Speaker 2: of course she's a woman, and her victim is a man,
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  Speaker 2: well alleged victim, because she's just been arrested.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and now we're going to get to the arrest
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  Speaker 1: dirty woman.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh no, spoilers. Let's yeah, I mean it's only
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  Speaker 2: a few seconds left night.
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  Speaker 1: No, there's like another minute and two minutes almost of
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  Speaker 1: this video.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, No, let's keep going. Let's let's let's let's watch
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  Speaker 2: or dig the pole completely.
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  Speaker 3: But I have an update as of October sixteenth, twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty five. But first and foremost, I just want to
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  Speaker 3: thank everybody for the overwhelming support and alley ship that
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  Speaker 3: you've shown me. It's really making me feel so validated.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I remember arguing with these freaking allies. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, this has more all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this thing though she doesn't like she can just
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  Speaker 1: go to like forget like police and law and like
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  Speaker 1: you know, suing companies and like getting losing her job.
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  Speaker 1: Just post on TikTok and she's probably gonna get support.
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  Speaker 1: She probably did. That's why when she had that freak
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  Speaker 1: out because she thought, oh I lost my job, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna lose my money. But posted online, so a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of people probably send her money. I'm sure that she
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  Speaker 1: got support, probably got a job offer. And now she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I can just do this and then when
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  Speaker 1: you know I face the consequences of my actions, I
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  Speaker 1: can go online. I can cry about it, and simps
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  Speaker 1: will come out of the woodwork and give me money,
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  Speaker 1: so I can just do this again. I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: what I think. Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's entirely possible that she she's sitting in the
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  Speaker 2: pile of cash.
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  Speaker 1: Probably yep.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's uh, all right, let's continue.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to let you guys know I really
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  Speaker 3: appreciate the outpouring of support. So the update is, last
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  Speaker 3: night I was made aware a bunch of people started
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  Speaker 3: commenting on my pages that DoorDash made a public statement
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  Speaker 3: about me on their TikTok story and on their most
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  Speaker 3: recent Instagram post in the comment section.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm not going to speak too much further details,
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  Speaker 8: but what I am going to say is I am
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  Speaker 8: the entire rest of the world found out why I
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  Speaker 8: lost my job at the exact same time.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you guys, well, maybe maybe this isn't bad. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we can trust what she's saying.
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  Speaker 2: But if DoorDash didn't give her a reason, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's on them.
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  Speaker 1: But really that's like, well, they probably didn't give her
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  Speaker 1: a reason because they probably needed to investigate, so like
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  Speaker 1: they probably want to do their due diligence because they
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  Speaker 1: have to protect their interests as a company, and so
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  Speaker 1: they were like, Okay, we're just gonna we're gonna ban
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  Speaker 1: both of them. Fire her for like making this into
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  Speaker 1: a thing, because again, freedom of association, they can fire
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  Speaker 1: whoever they want. And also we're going to ban this
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  Speaker 1: guy for the same reasons. We don't know if he
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  Speaker 1: intentionally did this or not at this point in time,
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  Speaker 1: so he's banned as well. Again, freedom of association. You
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  Speaker 1: are not deserving of an employer, and you are also
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  Speaker 1: not deserving of a place to shop, like they can
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  Speaker 1: choose not to serve you. And I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: why she got They were basically doing the safe thing.
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  Speaker 1: But she's going to turn it. She's turning it into
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  Speaker 1: a moral issue, a sexism issue.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, because you know, that's how you do. That's
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  Speaker 2: how you do if you're a modern woman. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: uh letting you know this right now.
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  Speaker 3: The people that saw their public statements and made me
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  Speaker 3: aware that they made those public statements knew why I
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  Speaker 3: lost my job before I did, because I went and.
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  Speaker 2: I checked out. No, honestly, I think if you had
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  Speaker 2: searched your feelings, you would have known why you lost
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  Speaker 2: your job. If you had searched your feelings. No, no,
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  Speaker 2: not your feelings, because your feelings are ineffably corrupt. If
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: you had searched what remains of your cognitive functions and
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: gone through that day, you would have ended your contract.
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  Speaker 2: You would have known why you were fired.
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  Speaker 6: M okay, let's let's keep going to public statements.
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  Speaker 3: And they sent me the deactivation email around the same
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  Speaker 3: time they released the public statements, like literally with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know why, You're right, Brian. They were investigating
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  Speaker 2: her for crime.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were doing the right thing. They were investigating
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  Speaker 1: because I'm sure that door Dash and grub Hub and
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  Speaker 1: Lyft and Uber and uber Eats and all these companies
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  Speaker 1: they at Amazon, they probably all have like situations like
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  Speaker 1: this that come up and they probably are like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we got to be delicate here because if we get
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  Speaker 1: this wrong, this could be bad for our company, And
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  Speaker 1: so they just do. I think it's just a smart
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  Speaker 1: thing to do, so you figure out what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, me my deactivation email explaining my reason for being deactivated,
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  Speaker 3: a whole twenty four hours after they deactivated me, and
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  Speaker 3: a whole twenty four hours after I already saw it.
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  Speaker 2: So she's just trying to create victimhood out of this.
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  Speaker 2: But again, considering what she did, in the seriousness of
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  Speaker 2: what she just did, what you're right, Brian. They're probably
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  Speaker 2: investigating and they were trying. They're talking with their lawyers
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  Speaker 2: about how to respond to this. Yes, but they couldn't
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  Speaker 2: let her continue to victimize other.
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  Speaker 1: People because exactly, I think that what they did was
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  Speaker 1: the best thing, because they they well, basically, it's like this,
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  Speaker 1: when this thing broke, we didn't really know who was
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  Speaker 1: to blame. A lot of people like her, well, she
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  Speaker 1: knows what really happened because she was, Yes, she does.
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  Speaker 1: People who like were online exposed to this stuff and
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: saw it, they had conclusions and they jumped to them
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  Speaker 1: that this was like and a lot of them were
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  Speaker 1: basically like saying that the man for whatever reason, did
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  Speaker 1: this on purpose to her, and a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: were supporting it as a sexual assault. Even if he
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  Speaker 1: did it on purpose, Even if he was doing it purposefully,
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  Speaker 1: it's not sexual assault. It's indecent exposure, sure at best.
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  Speaker 1: So but what then? And yeah, I mean, if you
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  Speaker 1: look at social media like it's a jury, then you're
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be like on her side. But door Dash
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: did the smart thing, and that was we're gonna investigate
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: and then we'll act on that. And they probably didn't
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: have a lot of women involved in the investigation not
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: gonna lie. They probably had cops and lawyers and people
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: that were looking at hard data and hard evidence, and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: they were like, no, you this is not a sexual assault.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe inappropriate, well but well, you know, we don't want
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: like maybe he was drunk, maybe he was high, whatever,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: we don't know, but like that's not you know, that's
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: not appropriate. So we're gonna at least call it that,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: which I think is fair. But she was, if anything,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: less appropriate, I guess, because that's what it looked like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the the investigation resulted in. So yeah, yeah, after.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: They had already denied my appeal, they finally sent me
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: the email explaining why they fired me. So I am
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the rest of the world. We all found out why
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I lost my job to here.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, she's like making everybody her.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: On her side and.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Together we're all well, okay, guys who are all in
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: it together, are all going to do time with her,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: because yeah, if you just expand that that screenshot there
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: of her face and then the the information beside it, yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: go to the next one. So essentially, this is a
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: arrest record for her, and she has been arrested for
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: essentially disseminating, probably disseminating material of a like a pornographic nature.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: She says of the description here dissemination of surveillance images
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and unlawful surveillance.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she this means this charge means that he
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: was not visible to her unless she did something to
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: make him visible to her, which means most likely she
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: opened the door. And I actually sent a potential because
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: she she when she first uploaded, she apparently upload according
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to people who saw the first upload, which is like
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: now in the annals of Internet myth, she actually videotaped
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: herself opening the door, and we have there's a screenshot
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: that I sent Brian that shows that I think it's
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a sliding door or something. I don't know, maybe it's
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: weird different in the South, who knows. Yeah. And but
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: based on the charges, she would have had to take
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: make an effort to put herself in a position to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: videotape him unlawfully. So that means that this she did
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: this via She did this via opening the door. There's
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: no other way it could This could be unlawful surveillance
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: if he was actually visible to her from a public location.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think that qualifies as unlawful surveillance, right, that
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: would qualify as indecent exposure. So she had to have
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: done something to make him visible to her. She took
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: an she made an active choice. And the real question
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: is that how often does she do this? How often
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: does this woman open the clients of door dashes houses
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: when they have explicitly said leave the food And that's
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the other thing he said, leave the food on the porch, right,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: How often does this woman actually engage in this kind
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of violation of others privacy? Like? How is this the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: first time? One wonders, because the first time she ever
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: does this, she finds something that she can use to
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: create Internet fame, Like, seriously, how did she know? And
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: it's not looking like that, you know? There he was
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: visible from the actual porch, unless she's she looked through
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the crack, in which case, why are you like when
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you're when you're dealing with this job, you're you're delivering stuff?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Do people usually do door dashers usually spend time trying
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to spy on people?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's actually I've seen videos of like delivery
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: people for door dash, Uber Eats, Amazon, They do sketchy shit. Yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So like I don't know if the standards for those
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: places seem to be lower than they are for say
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: UPS or FedEx or the or even like the you
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: know us male. So yeah, yeah, I mean I've seen, yeah,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I've seen sketchy things. How much it doesn't really surprise me.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: This is why I don't do door dash. I mean,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Lindsay and I don't really order in. But it's probably
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: not health.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: What we don't. We don't order in because there's absolutely
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: no out there. There's nothing out there. Yeah, we we
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: just we just cook up our beans and rice and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: over the trough and just that's it. But the yeah,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: this just the question becomes how much shady disreputable ship
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: has she done before this point?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Because this is er workman said something I want to
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: respond to really quick, he said, I think it was him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Somebody said, oh notice no one is actually trying to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: get his side of the story. Well, I think that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the investigation likely involved them talking to him. Yeah, but
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to be online discussing this. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: think that, if anything, they probably could only have concluded
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: by talking to the the man in question. But yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have an Internet presence, and why
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: should he. I think that this is like actually very
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, sensitive topic. So I think they did get
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: his story, and I don't think it's anybody's business what
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that is. That they've basically gotten that done.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So this is humiliating, But what she's doing is humiliating.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And honestly, if it was a if this was a
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: world with this, if this was a world where women
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: were treated like men in the justice system, I'm pretty
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: sure she'd be facing a charge of disseminating pornography against
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: his will. Yeah, revenge porn and and any any kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of charges related to upskirting or or illicit videotaping women
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: for a lurid purpose, like anything like that. I'm pretty
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: sure she'd be facing them too. As it is, she's
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: getting a discount because she's only facing unlawful surveillance and distribution.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, door Dash, what did they do?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: They banned him. In fact, he probably only got redemption
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: from this because she went to the cops a day
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: after she posted this on the internet. As a night
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Cycle points out right, she went to the cops, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: then the cops once it got into the cops, notice,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: of course they're going to take the investigation and I've
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: heard a rumor. I'm not sure if this is accurate
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: that he had a doorbell camp.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: And so the ring camera the photo of her, Yeah,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: of her from the ring camera, where is it? Like?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they have confirmation that she opened his door.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: But again like this, this, this just raises even more
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: questions for me. Has she done this before? And this behavior,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: let's be frank, it's interesting that she immediately went to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: sexual assault. Right, they have this saying that thieves think
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: everybody is a thief. Is this behavior a part of
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a pattern that she's engaged in? You know this this
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and this is this is this is sexually exploitative behavior,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: like she is a predator? Is this part of a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: pattern of well alleged, I mean it has to be proven, right,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: but if she if she's done this, this is predatory behavior.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And my question is this the latest part of a
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: pattern of predatory behavior that she's engaged in allegedly? I mean,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: it still has to be proven. Right, She's arrested, which
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: is really unusual. Let's face it, it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Also maybe unusual is good? Maybe like we're starting to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: see some some fairness.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh oh? Does she have an update on being arrested. Okay, yeah,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: but you'll notice in this thread there are still idiots
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: caping for.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: This is like four minutes.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: No, no, that's not I don't think she's caping for her.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of women who are just tired of
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the ship. Just because it's a woman talking about it
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that she's caping for But there are a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: lot of men caping for her. Yeah, there are stuck there.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guy that loves my job and they don't tell
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: me why college.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Want to watch any of these because it might show
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the guy.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, don't. But let's let's let's listen. Shall
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: we move on to the I mean this is just
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: this is yeah, well k like honestly, well, it's not
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: even karma, it's justice. And that's probably why she didn't
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: want to go to the cops, because she knew, like
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: everybody was probably telling her to. And then she got
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: high on her own farts in her own pr and
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: then she went to the cops, and that's what destroyed
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the narrative. And yeah, if this was just like a
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: if this was a big question mark, like the guy
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: maybe presented himself in such they wouldn't have arrested her.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: All right. This this means that this is very one sided,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: which means that there is some evidence somewhere that she
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: did actually put herself in a position violate his privacy
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and put herself in a position to make unlawful video
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of him naked. Now think about that. Let's let's just
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: reverse a genders for a second. He put himself in
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: a position to take unlawful video of her naked. What
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: is the Internet response to that? Is it this? Yeah, well,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: he didn't do anything that Amy Schumer didn't admit to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: in stand up comedy. Okay, let's Cardi B or Cardi.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: B or Katie Perry, Katy Perry or something that people
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: have actually done like Jenny McCarthy. All right, but anyway,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: so what do you want to do next? Do you
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: want to do the why millions of men are vanishing?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Did you get? Did you get like the best possible?
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I got some time codes. It's uh, it's actually
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: not debt disagreeable. It gets there's some things I'm not
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: crazy about.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we can go over the thing I'm crazy
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: about if.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: You like, Uh, sure, I guess let's I got like
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: five time codes. Let's just get yeah, I mean we
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: can get through them pretty quick, just so you guys
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: can get the sense of the video. So okay, just
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a warning. This is like the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the animation is AI. So you know, if you hate
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that stuff, then just listen and don't look. There's nothing
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to see. Really, there's no like too right, it's for
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: making the video. I mean, I think ultimately it's a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: good video. There's some things, Like I said, I have
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: some nitpicks, but I ultimately I think it's a good
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: video and I think that it's you know, there's a
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: lot more of these coming out.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: So men's rights artistic, men's rights activists, activist nitpick video
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: news at eleven.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not tisming. It's just like no, I'm just
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: oh look, I'm just I'm not going to say anything yet.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I'll say it later.
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: America, men in their prime working years have vanished from
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: the workforce, not fired, not laid off. They just stop
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: showing up. And what's happening because of it should concern
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: us all. This isn't about a few guys taking a
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: break or early retirement. This is a mass exodus happening
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: in real time. These men aren't protesting in the streets
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: or making demands. They're doing something far more powerful. They're
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: quietly subtracting themselves from the social math. And now, after
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: decades of ignoring them, society is finally starting to panic
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: because when millions of men disappear, the consequences don't stay
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: invisible for long.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Oh no, they don't, especially when they disappear from jobs
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that are particularly like well, women are just not going
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: to do because they're dangerous. They require a certain level
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of strength, and in particular, they require endurance of out
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: outside factors that that women don't want. Like for example,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: when we electricity in my province, because we have all
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: it's very cold during the winter and periodically things will
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: break down and it's not even it's not even anything
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: weird's happening, right, It's not like a moose is stuck
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: in the power lines, which has happened. It is just
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: hoar frost gathering on the lines causing it to be
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: weighted down and break and men and it's all men,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: almost exclusively. I've never seen a female alignment. I don't
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: even know if they exist. They have to go out
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: in like weather where the windshill is negative fifty and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: fix it right. And this is true about across the board.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: For infrastructure, it's true for maintaining the track lines, it's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: true for maintaining the natural gas, the internet, everything like.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: These are really harsh physical conditions and men go out
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: and they face it. And for the most part, men
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: are less They tolerate harsh physical conditions a lot better
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: than women do. They have more masks so they can
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: stay warmer when it's colder, and you know, they have
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a thicker skin, they have more muscle mass, so they
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: have a more robust constitution. And women don't want to
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: go in these jobs because to women, they don't have
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: enough of a surcharge, the enough of like an increase
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: in the amount that you get paid that justifies the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: sheer level of discomfort. Whereas men are more I don't
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: want to say they should be more condition or they're
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: more exposable, but they just naturally have a stronger constitution,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: so the level of discomfort is less less extreme to
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: them than it is to a woman. And when men disappear,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you're gonna feel at first in those infrastructure jops that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: will not like women will not go into them they
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: will not go into them and you're gonna And what's
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: interesting is we've seen sort of a case study and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: we discussed it. Remember the Bins strike in the UK. Yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: we're in that one burrow or whatever they call it
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: where garbage was piling up in the streets and there
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: was rats all over the place. You know, maybe they'll
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: start seeing the resurgence of the bubonic plague. The reason
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: why that happened was because they started to pay women,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: and it was justified because this profession, these professions were
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: majority women. So women who were cooking, women who were
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: cleaning inside and doing caretaking roles which were within you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: they're in a a air conditioned or a hate heated space.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: They're working with other people, so it's social they're getting
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: they're they're doing cooking, which can be gratifying in and
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: of itself. They were started to pay them equivalent wages
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: to men who were out in the streets hauling garbage, right,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: getting garbage off the streets. So they decided to pay
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: women equally women and the justification was because of the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: wage gap between two completely different occupations with completely different
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: risk profiles and discomfort profiles. Right, one is outdoors one
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: is indoors, and they said, while the indoors one is
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: majority women and they're not making as much as the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: outdoors one, which is majority mail, so that must be
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: sexism Harper Durp. So we're gonna go pay the women
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the same amount, and the men were like, uh. They
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: stopped being able to have the money to pay the men.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Men went on strike, and now garbage is all over
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: and that's the issue. It's not just that women won't
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: take these jobs. It's also that our society has convinced
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: itself that the disparity in pay between a man who
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: has to work a difficult job in the elements is sexism.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: So we're now not paying these jobs properly. Are We've
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: convinced ourselves we don't have to. And yet this quiet
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: quitting is going to be hit there first because you
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: got the two pressures. Men are leaving and the places
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: where you're gonna feel that most is those occupations that
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: most rely on the type of labor that men represent.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And then those occupations that most rely on the type
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: of labor that men represent are in the political crosshairs
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: of the waged gap. People who want to reduce the
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: wages offered men in these positions because their majority for
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: no other reason than their majority mail and their female
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: majority occupations that earn less. It's absolute insanity squeezing from
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: both fronts, and people are men in these occupations are
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: already signing the alarm that there aren't enough new young
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: male applicants into the infrastructure jobs to continue to maintain
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: them with the same level, well the level that's required
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: to maintain modern civilization. So this is being felt, but
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: you'll never hear it in like a New York Times
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: article or a Guardian article. Okay, I'm done my rant.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: All right, So now, okay, next time, code.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: Or I can ignore section two the root causes. Why
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: is this happening? So why is this great withdrawal happening
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: right now? It wasn't one single thing but a perfect
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: storm created by three powerful forces hitting all at once.
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: A massive economic shift, a jarring cultural whiplash, and a
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: devastating psychological toll.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm just pausing it there. He's going to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: go into those things in a second, and we can
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: decide if we agree or not.
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: First, the economic tsunami. For most of the twentieth century,
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: a guy could graduate high school, get a union job
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: at the local factory or in a skilled trade, and
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: be pretty confident he could have a stable career and
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: support a family. That deal has been taken apart piece
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: by piece. The collapse of manufacturing from automation and outsourcing
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: was a body blow to traditional mail jobs. And these
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: weren't just jobs, they were identities. They gave men respect
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: and a steady paycheck. So what replaced them? For men
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: without a college degree? The new jobs are often in
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: the service sector or the gig economy, unstable, lower paying,
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: and with few if any benefits. According to Economic Policy
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: Institute and Analysis, real wages for men without a four
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: year degree have fallen dramatically since the nineteen seventies and
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: nineteen eighties. This isn't just about buying power, It's about
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: the value of the work itself. Would you feel like society,
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: we've got.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: To pause it because otherwise it's dominate the short Yeah, well, yes,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I would also argue that one of the things that's
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: happened is that middle and lower class women no longer
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: want middle and lower class men.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's actually more important, yes, Because yeah, I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: mean you feel like, oh, you know, you like the
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the industrialization and the streamlining of those things is kind
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of an inevitability. But like that doesn't mean that we
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: couldn't be preparing men for that shift, and we just
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: didn't do that. I think education failed men. I think
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that women have also failed men, because the assumption is that,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you know, women are not going to like lower their
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: standards or work with men at the where they're at.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: They're just going to demand more and men can't matter.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And women have entered the workforce too, so I don't know.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me let me just unpack that women
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: lower their standards. By lower their standards, we mean actually
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: make good on the whole I want a man as
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: a companion, Yeah, and learn what that means. Okay. And
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: then the other thing is that women's standards were never
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: in history, like they were not this high. And really
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: what that means is women expected more of themselves in
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the past in terms of productivity and developing resources and
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: stuff and bringing that to the family. Right that was,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that was and we still see this in traditional cultures,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: which is why traditional cultures have more female participation and
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: stem fields. They are expected to get a job that
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: will earn for the family, and that used to be
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the attitude. Now, in the past, women would maybe earning
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: for the family, would be running a homestead or a farm,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: but there was still that attitude, right, And in the
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: past women did other jobs like they would would be
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: household help and their their husband would be a sailor,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: and they would work together to afford a family. Okay,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: So that attitude that you are there as one half
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: of the adults in the family is gone because you're
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: not there to have uh a a daddy butler. You're
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: there to be the second adult in the family who
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: pulls her weight financially and pulls her weight in terms
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of production, whatever that looks like. And through a lot
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: a good portion of American history that would have looked
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: like a homestead, right and European history might have been
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: a bit different, might have looked more craft economy and
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, or home based businesses and stuff
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: like that. But you were productive, and there was an
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: expectation that you were productive as a as a woman,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and that productivity got you access to a family and
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to a husband and a family. And that that expectation
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: is gone because Hollywood created this new idea of the homemaker,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: the woman as consumer.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: That's that's completely artificial and new. It's never it was
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: never the case in history that women occupied a role
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: like that. They nobody had the money to do it,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to allow it. That's the thing. The fifties were the
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: first time in the human race is history that a
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: critical mass of people were so prosperous they could afford
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: for a woman to sit at home and manage the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: home using mechanical labor, which are all of the appliances
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: that were invented in the fifties, the forties and fiftie
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and you know, the first half of the nineteenth the
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: twentieth century. You know, that was the first time we
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: were wealthy enough to give women that level of leisure. Right.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: And Hollywood was behind turning Hollywood and Madison Aveuw were
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: behind turning women from productive people who were expected to
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: provide materially for their faith families to non productive consumers
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: who simply bought. They bought cans instead of canning, They
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: bought prepackaged baking goods instead of baking from scratch. They
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: bought produce from from grocery stores, instead of having small
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: gardens and orchards and managing that. So it was a
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: complete shift in the identity of women from from producer
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: to consumer. And then of course be if Betty for
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Dan called the resulting boredom the problem with no name,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and then we were off to the races with feminism
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: like the the most probably the most toxic iteration thereof
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: where the women blamed men for being bored. Okay, but again,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: like women were never supposed to just add nothing to
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: our relationship and nothing to a family. That was never
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the case in human history except for an artificial modernist
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: blip in the nineteen fifties that was supported by you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: a bunch of a bunch of like advertising men and
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: women and Hollywood. Okay, so that you need to situate
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: that now, as a result of that, there are generations
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of women who think they don't have to add anything
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: to the family or a relationship with the men. Right,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: They don't have to be productive in order to access
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: a relationship with the men. They don't have to have
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: a certain level of emotional control to be in a relation.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing. You go back and you look
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: at like women in the fifties and the forties, they
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: were they were poised, dignified, and they had a certain
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: level of emotional control in public, right, they knew that
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: they had to be strong, and that's gone too. So
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: there's no expectation of emotional control, no expectation provision on women,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: and there's no expectation of actually learning to understand men,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: and in particular, there's no expectation that women knock it
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the fuck off with their hatred of men like I like, honestly,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: a woman can expect a partner in a man who
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't overtly hate her sex, right and in fact, if
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: there are pockets of men who even just blame women
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the things that women are verifiably responsible for, everybody goes
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: ape shit about all the misogynists and they have to
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: be weeded out and whatever else. So a woman can
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: expect a man who doesn't treat her treat her sex
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: with contempt. And this whole narrative about feminism and masculine
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: objectification of women, yeah, that doesn't that, it doesn't hold water.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: It's not empirically sound. Men don't objectify women. In fact,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: men have the opposite problem. They subjectify everything. You leave
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: a man alone and he'll subjectify a freaking water like
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: this is the human this is human nature. We don't
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: have a tendency towards reading people as objects. We have
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: a tendency towards reading objects as people. That's almost like
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: instinctive for us. So this whole feminist narrative around objectification
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: unscientifically sound boulderdash. So, no, a woman can does not.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: There's not the men don't can have that contempt for women.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: So a woman can expect a man not to have
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: overt contempt for her, And yet can a man expect
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the same? Can a man expect a woman who doesn't
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: believe that he is by virtue of him being a man,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: by virtue of masculine ideology, he isn't the vector for
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: sin into the world. No, all right, So when we're
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: talking about women lowering their standards, what we mean is
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: women need to raise their standards for themselves. Raise their
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: standards in terms of I am a person who is
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: going to be productive for my family. I am a
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: person who is going to learn to control my emotions
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: like an adult and not vomit them all over a relationship.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I am a person who is going to learn to
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: be grateful for having a partner. Right, These are basic skills.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: These are the kind of skills that underpin being a
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: decent partner, peer, full stop and decent, non abusive partner.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And that's too much. And then and and if you
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: say these things, women will say, oh, oh, you're you're, you're, you're,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: you're being a misogynist, expecting me to reduce my standards. No, bitch,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: we're expecting you to increase your standards for yourself. Okay,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: long rant, my apologies.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: All right, now we're okay, So we're going into the
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: labor thing.
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: Okay, no longer values your labor enough to pay you
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: a living wage. Your motivation to even show up craters.
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: It's not just that the job's left. It's that the
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: promised society made to these men work hard and you'll
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: have a life of dignity was broken. The second force
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: is cultural whiplash. While the economy was transforming, so we're
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: our social rules. The rise of women in the workforce
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: and in college is, without a doubt, one of the
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: great success stories of our time.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: See.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: See there's where I'm nitpicking, because this guy is trying
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: to have he well, okay, I'll play some more. He
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: does this a couple of times. I feel like it's
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: it's him saying please don't hate me because I'm advocating
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: for men. Yes, appears me like kissing women's ass for
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a little while, and it's a very common thing. I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: see it all the time. It's a little annoying because
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like I don't know, Like women
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: are in the workforce and they have been for a while,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and they don't seem to be happy. So maybe that's
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: not the great win you think it is. Maybe this
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: is plain and not. Again, women have always worked, so
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: it's like even a silly thing to say, you know,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: since women have been allowed to enter the workforce, got
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: a stupid thing to say, But you hear all the time, right, Yeah.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not made them happy because work
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: is about providing, right for most people, they're not going
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: to be happy with work. Work is just a way
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: to provide for a family. It's the family that gives
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: you the joy or the development of something, the building
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: of something, And when women don't have that, they're not happy,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: just like men aren't happy. What a surprise. But yeah,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: women have always worked, but in the past the work
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: they understood the work to be in service of a
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: relationship and a family, so it became fulfilling that way,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and now it's not. It's just in service of the self.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Except that is the most ridiculous framework of looking at work.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I serve myself through work. Well okay, well, work is
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: often not fun. What happens then you're just miserable.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: And it's the land acknowledgement. Through the land acknowledgement that yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: we talked about, like yeah, okay, hey, before I start
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: talking about this, I want you to know I don't
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: hate women. This is something that we've been talking about
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: forever too. It's like, no, stop, just stop it, just
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: focus on just talk about men, please.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I've done analysis, and the pattern of these things, including education,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: is always men develop some concept of an exchange. Could
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: be an exchange of credit, can be exchange of goods,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: could be exchange of information, and the men build it
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: up through their networks of a higher level of trust
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and willingness to allow other men to freedom of movement
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: and thought. And we have statistics on men doing this.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: So they build it up through their networks, they take
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: all the risks, they develop it to a point where
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: it is participating in whatever that's being created. So it
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: could be the credit network, it could be the educational
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: network that had to be developed. It could be the
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: exchange of goods throughout the world. It could be the
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: space program. But you'll notice this is always the pattern.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: It could be it could be settling the West in
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: the US, this is always the pattern. The men take
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the risks, they build the infrastructure. Whatever the infrastructure looks like.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's homesteads, you know, like dirt sod huts, or
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: it's the ability to trust another man's credit, or it's
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: simply the tree exchange of ideas if you're talking about
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: the original education, like the university education systems and whatever
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it is. They build up the infrastructure, they take the risks,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: they create the ballast, and then when participation in the
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: system is slanted more towards benefit towards the person participating,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and less towards risk. Women are onboarded. Every single time
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: men build it. They make it stable and safe. Women
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: are onboarded at what at the most reasonable speed that
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: can be managed. Every single time. The vote education, the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: university system, the credit system, space travel, the colonization of
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: or sort of the settling of the West. You'll see
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: it over and over and over and over again. I
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: want these people to understand this. Men create it, they
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: take the risks, they establish the infrastructure, then women are
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: onboarded at the speed that allows them to do so
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: without damaging anything every single time. So when this guy
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: says this is one of the great success what are
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: you talking about? This is literally the pattern of human endeavor. Okay,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: it's not a great well, I mean it is a
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: great success story like every other time it's been done.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: It's a great success for you. Wow, men have taken
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of risks, they built a whole bunch
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: of infrastructure, and now they're onboarding women because it's safe. Hallelujah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: They've done it again. But he's not framing it like that.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: This is because I'm pretty sure you're right. It's land acknowledgment.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: It's just like, oh yeah, the feminists there, they did
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: this wonderful thing.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: We got to acknowledge it. Wow, that was a great
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: move towards equality. Now we just need to do another
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: balancing move for equality. You guys like equality. He was
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: talking about it for fifty years, right, let's do some
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: more equality. I think that this would be like this.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: It's just the reason why it annoys me is because
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: they don't. Feminists don't care about equality. It's a lie,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Like why are you going along with this lie? Equality
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: itself is a lie, like we're just not equal. I'm
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: not equal to who I was the other like a
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: few years ago. Like this is like a stupid goal
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: to begin with. But like I understand that people, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: when they say it, maybe they say, oh, I just
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: mean fairness or I mean justice. I get that, But
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that's not equality. And that's the problem is the language
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: is all fucked up, and it's putting people in a
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: position where they have to, like, you know, work with
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: these ideas in this way, and I just I just
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: think that, Yeah, no, I get which quality as a
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: concept is folly because you end up trapped in this
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: endless like cycle, this endless dialectic of like you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: using the feminist standard of equality to try and make
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the case for men with people who don't actually want
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that thing that they claim they want, Like they're just
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: not being truthful, they're just lying to you, and you
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: keep acting like they're not, or you keep acting like
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: if you can just catch them in like a you know, like, well,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: if you like equality, then haha, you'll have to go
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: with this because this would make it equal. They're not
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: gonna listen, not gonna Oh my god, you're right, I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: was wrong about that. That is an equal We're gonna
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: address that right away. They're not going to at what points,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: like you know.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean holding the the the the opposing
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: party to their own standards is good practices though, or
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: for debate, but.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: It's not a winning strategy, is what I'm saying.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Okay. So there's the different kinds of equality, Like we've
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: never attempted to have equality when it comes to the
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: judicial response to men and women, right, and I would
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: like to have that. I know that might never be possible,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: but it would be something that's worth striving for. Well,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: whereas the equality of everybody has the same education or
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: pursues the same education, you know, that's that's only going
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: to create inequality and attempting to force an equality out
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: of people's decisions, which is, you know, which is what
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: feminists are doing with the wage gap and the educational
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: disbursement's arguments. So I mean, well, first of all, feminists
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: don't actually pursue equality at all. They use it as
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: a shield in order to hide their other activities. So yeah,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: we could. We could probably well, you know, it's just strategy.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could say, well, let's convince everybody not
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: to go for equality, or can we just convince people
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: that feminists have never pursued equality and they don't. I mean,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I guess it's just strung.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I could go a week ago with yeah, one of those.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that treating equality as a
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: goal and without diverging too much because I now we
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: got a lot more to get through here, I think
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: it's a trap. And I think that what ends up
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: happening is if you if you say, well, I believe
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: in equality of this type, what's going to happen is
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: is that like that's going to become the new standard,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: that's turned into a double standard, like you're not you're
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: not going to get anywhere, because they'll always figure out
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: a way to make it to where women are not
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: equal in this in this arena. And I think that
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: if you just sort of like operate for the presumption
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: that equality itself is a myth, even equality of opportunity,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: which a lot of people go, oh, well, I don't
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: believe in equality of outcome. I believe in not equality
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: of opportunities like yeah, but when you make that claim,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: then people can say, well, are we doing equality of
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: opportunity because based on the outcomes, it doesn't look like it,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: so something must be wrong. Like there's always a way
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: for people to say, there's a thing that must be
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: addressed because I don't like the way this is turning out.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: That's why the idea of equality of opportunity, for example,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: is a myth because it's its success is measured by
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the outcomes, which means it is ultimately outcomes. Now, if
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: you just had like and that's why I prefer words
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like justice, because if we treated women and men the
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: same under the law, I wouldn't call it equality. I
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: would just call it justice. And there is and there's
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: still going to be hurdles with that too, because what
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: we would have to do is deprogrammed the way that
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: we view male victims and female perpetrators of crime or
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: or abuse or whatever. And I think that we're that's
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: not something you can solve by using the right kinds
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: of vocabulary to to talk about it. You'll have to
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: change the way people see, you know, men and women,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: and that's and that's not gonna happen overnight. It probably
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: won't happen in my lifetime, but the story we just
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: covered shows that there is there are people that are
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: still capable of doing that because that great, yeah, get arrested.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Well, I mean, when we're talking about equality,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: like equality has been the best way to actually engage
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: with and I know this is gonna sound a little bit odd,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: but engage with ais to discredit feminism and it becomes
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: like a way of stripping the stripping the cloak of
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: the defensive cloak that women are feminists have hid themselves in.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: And and the other thing is that when when we
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: say that we would like to see that men and
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: women are seen more equally in the law, there would
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: be and I would say specifically conservatives because they would
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: not all conservatives, but a subset. They would see that
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: as again pushing for equality, which is wrong, so don't
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: do it. However, those same conservatives still want to maintain
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the legally any the illegal inequalities that or sorry, the
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the equalities that benefit women is what I've noticed. So
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: they they don't want to create a legally inequitable system
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: or inequality like an inequality like the Victorian inequality, even
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: though it was balanced like expectations, provisions, everything was balanced
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: between the sexes, expect you know, the responsibilities. They don't
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: want to go back to that because they don't want
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: to take away women's rights. But at the same time
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: they don't want to go forward with anything any kind
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: of equality that would help men. But having said that,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: I will give, I will give like the right and
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: conservatives big props because they are pushing shared shared parenting. Finally,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: it used to be that conservative states had less of it,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: but now it seems to be that they're embracing it
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: as a and that is a that is a function
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: of equality. They're embracing it as fairness and I suppose justice.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not a functional equality, maybe it's just a
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: function of justice. But also it reduces divorce and makes everybody,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: everybody happy, everybody, like even even women in a in
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: a shared custody situation, like a jerksdiction that applies shared custody,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: even women are happier. Go figure, huh, okay, but anyway,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: we should probably.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Finish this right, yeah, okay.
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: This rapid change left a lot of men disoriented the
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: traditional male role of soul, which and could male identity
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 9: for sake.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Again, you know, it did not anchor.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: That's not true. That's not true.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 10: True.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not a thing.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: It was not a thing. It was a thing very briefly.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: It's been a thing in a few eras of time,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: like maybe Victorian era there was a point.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: But only like in the upper class, though only in the.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Upper class or the upper middle class, and only in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: times of great prosperity has this been a thing. And
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: the problem is if we're not in a time of
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: great prosperity anymore and women don't want to go back
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: to their traditional role as one half of the adult
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: couple in a family, I mean, really that you could
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: look at it that way. Women got a taste of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: complete indolence in the fifties. They went from a six
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: twelve hour day, six day a week job, which was
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: homesteading or the household, to a three hour a day,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: five day a week job, which is a homemaking with
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: all of the modern appliances. And then they went through
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: a wave of we're bored, give us jobs, give us education,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: and they got that, but the jobs and the education
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: they got weren't were the ones that were more desirable,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: which they locked the lower class men out of, and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: even the lower class women locked lowercasts men out of.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: They got the more desirable jobs, the ones in air
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: conditioned offices, the ones that were more creative, or more sanitary,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: or more thinky, you know, the ones that brought prestige.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: So they got all those jobs. And now we're heading
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: into a time where a lot of jobs are disappearing,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of the economy is not doing too well,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: so we're swinging back to to partner necessity, right, and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: women haven't scaled their expectations according to the reality that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: exists today is you're not going to get a guy
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: who earns more, right, This is their In the past,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: this was the case too. You know, good providers were great,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: but a woman had to provide for herself as well. Right,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Even in the hunter gatherer they were still gatherers friends,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: they still had to provide for themselves. And women don't
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: want to go back to that. They don't want to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: go back to being one half of the adult couple
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: in a relationship. That's what I see. They want to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: continue to to do the singleton thing, which is very expensive, right,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: and it's very it's even more expensive when they want
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: to be single mothers. You know, a single woman doesn't
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: add as much to the tax base, but a single
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: mother actively drains the tax base. So they don't want
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: to do that because, you know, they want to have
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: this particular lifestyle, but the society that that is underwriting
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: that particular lifestyle is no longer rich enough to do so,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: and they're balking at going back to the responsible traditional
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: role of provider, stoic provider. I'm gonna say it, if
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: women in the past they were stoic providers. They were
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: expected to control their emotions. They weren't expected to fly
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: off the handle and be lunatics might end up going
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: to a sane asylum for hysteria if they did. You know,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: they're expected to have their level of stoicism. They are
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: expected to provide, they were expected to protect, they were
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: expected to have all of these standards and virtues, and
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: they were expected to, you know, uphold a certain level
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: of virtuous behavior. You know, this was adulthood in the past,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: and now we are returning to that because we can
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: no longer afford to have one half of the human
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: race take and not give. And women are having trouble
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: with that. Okay, but that's just going to keep like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: the world is just going to keep getting grinding down,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: getting harder, and soon the economy will no longer be
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: able to underwrite women single them choices, and you're gonna
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: have to by hookover by crook. You can get ahead
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: of the wave, if you're a lady, you can get
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: ahead of a wave and start developing those standards like gratitude, stoicism,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: a humble sense of providership for something bigger than yourself.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: You start developing them, those those adult qualities right now
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: you'll be ahead of the wave. And right now, if
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: you develop those adult qualities, the way that the dating
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: market is structured, you can punch above your weight in
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: the dating market if you're a woman who has developed
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: those qualities. I mean, this is gonna this is a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: one time offer, ladies, one time offer, right, do it now,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: or on the back end, you're gonna be hit by
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: the tsunami of everything increasing in price. Single them no
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: longer being a thing you can do, but something that
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: you you're gonna be forced into marriages and men are gonna
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: be forced into them because you won't be able to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: survive economically as a single because it's too expensive, right,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: so that's that's a thought. Anyway, I said, I got a.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 11: Super I got a rumble rant from Deadly do right,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 11: I should read he gave us five dollars and says
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 11: they also need to raise their standards to seeking men
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 11: of character rather than just guys that are hot.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, yes, yes, we should ask that they
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: be adults. It's the it's the radical idea that women
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: are adults. Okay, so the so yeah, I mean, I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: don't know, like I'm just gonna go to the next
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: time code.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Oh there's another time period where women could we could
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: afford like uh uh, that was rich women in Antebellu himself,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: like the the ladies on the plantation. That was one time,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: and they had the same Like ladies on the plantation,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: they had the same problems that women are having today
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: with in terms of having to control their hypergamy. After
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: after the Civil War broke that, yeah, they had they
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: had some issues because suddenly the men that they had
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: to marry, if they even got one, were crackers rather
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: than you know, landed landed non gentry, because these weren't gentry,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: These weren't aristocrats. They just happened to be in a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: position where they got something. You know, it was just
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: like a little little corner of history where some wealth
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: accrued in a particular way and they got to pretend
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: to be landed gentry. But then it all crashed down
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: and women had to learn to uh, yeah, that nothing
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: was given to them for free. So that that was
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: one one, one one point in time that we could
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: probably compare to today was Antebellum self and all of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: the ladies of the antemlaumself who had to learn that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: they were not going to get anything for free anymore,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: and they had to adjust to new economic circumstances. That's
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: what's happening now to women today, and they aren't. Okay,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: let's keep going, all.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: Right when this quiet crisis starts to boil over Section three,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 9: the domino effect, the consequences society ignores. The withdrawal of
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: millions of men isn't a small problem that only affects them.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: It's a crack in the foundation that threatens to bring
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: the whole building down. The consequences are now getting too
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 9: big to ignore, and this is why the panic is
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: starting to set in. We're seeing the fallout in two
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: huge ways, in our economy and in our social fabric. First,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: the economic fallout.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: This is just pausing there. He's a little bit long winded.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: So the panel most obvious we are facing a massive
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: skilled labor shortage.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we already covered that. Maybe go to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: the next one.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he goes into real community impact and then
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: there's like his his path forward. You want to just
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: jump to the path forward?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Sure, let's hear it is this? Is this something that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: you had a concern with the Internet?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I would just say like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: it's sort of like that. Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: Well, let let's see this section five Empowerment not blame,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: charting a path forward. So where do we go from here?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: It's easy to get stuck playing the blame game. Blaming
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: men for checking out or blaming society for changing is
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 9: a dead end.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, but we haven't blamed someone.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Mhmm.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, So she says blaming men for checking out, blaming society,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: there's somebody.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't blame anybody, we should just like but she
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: just move forward. That's not really my issue. I mean,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: of course he's going to say that.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he's going to say that, And of course,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: me being me, I'm going to be like, but there's
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: somebody you're missing, somebody who could go in for a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: bit of blame. I love how I'm the only one
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: who can do this, Like I want you, Brian. It
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: was just like the two of us were like, we're
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: the this is the skill. This is the one skill
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: that we possess that very few people seem to possess.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe maybe people on AVFM A voice for men,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe you know Karen, Yeah, yeah, Janice, yeah yeah.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: We're like, we're like the we're like the mystery men. Yeah,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: with this one mutant skill. And what is that one
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: mutant skill that nobody on this planet possesses? I blame women.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I am perfectly happy blaming women, and I think we
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: should blame women until we are as comfortable blaming women
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: as we are men. There we go, my great mutant skill.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't shoot lasers from my eyes. I
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: just blame women.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: Okay, all right, means we have to radically rethink our
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: approach to masculinity, education and work. First, we absolutely must
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 9: fix the education and skills gap.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is always to treating the symptoms. How about this,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Why don't we root out this ideologically dogma like this,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: this supremacist dogma that has absolutely no empirical foundation, the
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: supremacist dogma that blames men, and it is men because
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: they have no they have no plausible mechanism how men
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: are all socialized to this what they term masculine ideology,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: which essentially just means male privilege and patriarchy. Right, they
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: have no Feminists have no plausible mechanism for how this
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: is socialized, so it functions as a bio essentialist category
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: that just means men. So we have a supremacist ideology.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: You set you. Genicist ideology periodically comes out with some uh,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: genocidal rhetoric that blames men for the existence of all sin. Okay,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: all right, And and sin in this case is men
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: benefiting themselves over women. So uh, god forbid that man.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: A man decide to benefit himself over a woman, that's
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: the great sin. But feminists blame men for that despite
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: the fact that it really isn't a sin, it's just
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: a neutral and uh, and they ascribe it to all men.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should kick that out of our society, okay,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: and and maybe some of this other stuff will resolve.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Let's just stop doing that. You know, like if if,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: if society is beating its head against the wall, a
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: brick wall, and he's talking about, well, you know, what
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: we need is better bandages and headache medication and and
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: maybe some cushioning and you know, some some some bolts
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: and the skull when it gets fractured, and you know,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: and and and surgical technology and X ray technology, so
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: we can keep track of all the damages that society
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: is doing. Is it's beating its head against a brick wall.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, have you considered no longer beating your
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: head against a brick wall? Huh?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: It's a thought. Okay, all right, let's play some more.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 9: It's the only ticket to success has failed millions of
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: young men. We need to rebrand the skilled trades and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 9: vocational training not as a consolation prize, but as a respectable,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 9: high demand and financially smart career path. That means bringing
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 9: back shop class.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: All right, let me stop there for a second. I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: know that you already addressed the fact that this is
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: trying to just talk about the symptoms. I think that
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: it's not really going to be hard to sell the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: trades to men. I think it's going to be hard
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: to sell the trades as a viable career choice. For
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: that women would not mind their men like being involved with. Right,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: So you have to make because because the problem is
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: is that women's status seeking behavior is the reason why
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: the trades are like not seen as respectable. So he says,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: make them respectable again, Yeah, but for who? For men
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: or for women? What are we talking about here? I mean,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: obviously it's for women, right, because if a man says, well,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: I'm on Wall Street, a woman's like, oh, yeah, that's great. Right.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Even even if it's like, you know, like I don't know,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: let's say unscrupulous practices are happening, it doesn't matter. That's
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: a high status job. I'm a lawyer, high status. I'm
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: a doctor, high status, right, I like those things. But
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: if you say I'm a plumber, or I'm an electrician
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: or I'm working sanitation, that's less. I mean, even if
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: it makes just as much or even more money, it
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter because it's not high status. So I think
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: that when you say we have to make these appealing,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: that you have to be specific to say we need
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: to make them appealing to women, but not to do
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: the job, but to be fine with a man that
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: does because women are not going to do those jobs.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't think they should be doing those jobs.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I think that there are jobs that you know, the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: average women probably can't do. Like you were talking about
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: those those people that go out into the into the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: super you know, fifty below temperatures to fix the lines.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: There's no there's no women there. It's probably for a reason.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: And I think if a woman was there, it probably
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: make it harder for them to do their job, just
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: like women in the military, it probably make it like
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: she'd probably get guys killed, you know, So yeah, maybe not.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what I mean by like my issues
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: with equality, right, but why aren't women doing the hard jobs? Well,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: maybe they shouldn't be. Maybe they're too hard for them,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe they can't do those jobs. And you know, because
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: we want the best people, and if the best people
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: happen to be men, then that's just what it is.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: That's not inequality, that's just what it is.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: So anyway, from the educational schools and creating real apprenticeship
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 9: programs that lead directly to good jobs. Germany's dual education system,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: which combines classroom learning with paid apprenticeships as youth unemployment
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: rates far below ours.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Is that a classroom of vampires? Like this AI stuff
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: is really like, I mean, it's impressive, but it's also
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit weird.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: We can learn from that. Investing in the skills. Our
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 9: economy is screaming for welding, plumbing, electrical work, advanced manufacturing,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: h factory gives men a straight.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: So again, go back to what I was saying. See,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: like they're saying, well, look, there's all these jobs that
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: men you know that that's like they're they're basically just
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: waiting for men to take them. Why aren't men taking them?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Because why do men get why do men invest in career?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Why do they get a job like I mean, like
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: like a job that's going to be involved a lot
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: of training and a lot of work. You know, like
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of men only do that because they're looking
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: to attract a mate, so they don't think the women
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: are worth it. Then why wouldn't they just do, like,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: you know, some job that they don't have to like
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: put too much into work, too hard at just collect
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: a paycheck and then like you know, pay for your
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: own lifestyle, which of course men can live with very little.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: So again you're not asking I think you're not asking
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: the question. M.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: And the other thing is that this, you know, going
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: into the trades is fine, but it's also not going
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: to really solve the problem, which is we don't Like
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: I was talking about how men come together and they
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: take they use these kind of cooperative networks that they
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: create to construct like even the Knight's Templar they created
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: like a network of pilgrims and protected them while they
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: went to like on their pilgrimages. Right, they create these networks,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: they use their cooperative relationship, which is now we see
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: this in statistics on men's behavior. They're tolerance for freedom
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: of speech, they're tolerance for each other's autonomy and that
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and women's relative intolerance for them. Well,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: that is an incubator for new forms of exchange. And
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: then the men build these new forms of exchange and
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: they underpin like this process underpins a healthy economy. So
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: when you're saying, well, we'll just put all men into
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: the infrastructure jobs, yeah, but wait, men being in business
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: and more professional I don't want to say professional, but
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: you know, more thinky occupations enabled us to have things
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: like the Internet, like binary data transmission, like credit card networks. Right,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: if we pull back from men's education in these more
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: abstract fields, we're basically saying we don't want to have
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: were just given up on the economic prosperity that these
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: men create through this process that I described earlier, like
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: the process of men constructing these cooperative networks, dealing with
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: all the risks like colonizing or sorry, settling the West,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: the space program, the credit networks, the university system, creating
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: these things, stabilizing them, taking the risks, engaging in the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: cooperative activities, stabilizing them. And then these things provide so
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: much economically to us, So we're going to just decide
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: to stop doing that. Like that's I mean, it's not
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: really a criticism of what he's saying. It's just like
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: it's an extension if you make if that makes sense, Like, yes,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: men should be encouraged to go more into the trades.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: They always were. What's stopping them now is that women
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: have been encouraged and women are fast tracked. Right, and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: women don't provide the same labor benefits that men do
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: in the trades and in infrastructure, they just don't. But
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: but but, and it turns men off to to it
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: would turn anyone off to watch a group that you're
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: biogroup that you're not a part of, getting fast tracked
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: in a profession that you want to be in, or
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: giving special privileges in a profession that you want to
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: excel at. So we got we gotta deal with that.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: It's not just directing young men to trades and infrastructure.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: It's also recognizing that artificially boosting women who are going
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: into the same fields is extremely off putting and is
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: going to reduce men's participation overall. And then the other
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: thing is that this is only a stop gap measure.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: We got to get men back where they do their
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: best work, which is in cooperative groups, establishing completely new things,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: resolving their risks, stabilizing them, adding them to the economy. Right,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: and these these little things that these endeavors that men
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: incubate that end up being gigantic. Okay, yeah, if anybody like,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty I think I conveyed it today.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you did, renewed sense of competence. These aren't dead
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 9: end jobs. Skilled tradesmen can earn sixty thousand dollars or
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 9: more annually, often without the crushing.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: On it, doesn't he do?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: I think it's like here father, a committed partner or
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 9: a pillar of the community, just as much as we
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 9: value their paycheck. It means creating a culture where a
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 9: man's worth isn't measured just by his salary, but by
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 9: his character and his contribution to the world.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Yew, that is where women are falling down right, Yeah
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: they are not.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: But he's not. He's not treating it like that. He's
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: sort of he's sort of turning this into like a
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: critique on like late stage capitalism or something, instead of
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: just like, no, it's it's not that, because there are
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: people who are very poor who like raise a family
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: and they stick together and they love each other. Like,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: so that's not it's it's not that, but they can't
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: help that. Like there's this weird materialist thing that comes
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: in that is one like we are more than their paycheck.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: It is like, yes, we know that, but women don't.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, many women don't know. That's the problem. What is
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: with this weird dildo shields.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Where oh that I don't know. I think that's supposed
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: to be like an arrow. I don't know.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: But at the end is this is this is weird.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. It's happening over here with this hammer thing.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no idea, it's it's morphing through.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: This this Yeah.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Like lock it heart, lock it, Yeah.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 9: Twenty century. It's not about rejecting traditional masculine virtues like strength, courage,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: and responsibility. Those are valuable. It's about expanding the definition
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 9: to include emotional intelligence.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Again, it always was good lord, Yeah, that was never
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: a thing that we didn't do. That's what I'm saying
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: he's operating in He's already so a lot of people
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: who are trying to address this stuff. I know their
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: heart's in the right place, but they're already in the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: feminist paradigm. They're in that paradigm, and that's what they're
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: They're trying to critique it from the inside. That's why
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: they're always doing the land acknowledgements. That's why they're saying,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: we can, we can have a new kind of masculinity
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: that's not just about like force and power and status
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: and competition and on all of the toxic traits. It
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: can also include like emotional intelligence. It's like, but that
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: that's always been the case, Like we've men have always
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: been more than just like muscles and money. You know,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: you're literally in a paradigm, you're in the cage and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: you're criticizing, like you know, the with the paint job
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: and the bars and like the stuff in your prison.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a relevant graph that you could put
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: up and we could discuss very briefly, because I know
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: we need to move on. But this is this is
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: I actually got. I actually worked with Perplexity after I
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: had to jail break the damn thing out of its.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: The problem is that AI is tied to this I
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: it basically prioritizes sociology stuff, which is almost all corrupt.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: But I got it to look at some more recent data.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: So what's happened is in the the science of narrative studies,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: So looking at like the history of storytelling, they've done
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: a They've created a gigantic database, cross reference database with
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: tropes and motifs, and you can actually look at it
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: now for how male and female characters were portrayed in
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: the past and do large scale analysis is on it.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: So I got I got Perplexity to do that, and
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I asked how men were portrayed prior to in the
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifties and prior and what it came back with
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: is fifty percent or six percent of men male characters
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: in fifties and prior were portrayed with full humanity, So
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: they had an interior life, they had vulnerabilities, they had flaws,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: they had things they had to overcome, they had moral arcs,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: they had foibles, and they were also you know, they
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: had heroic moments where they took hero and they took
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: action to help and protect and provide others. Right, that
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: was fifty six percent of the portrayal. Twenty three percent
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: was a little bit more flat. The more standard heroes.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: They weren't quite as they didn't have as much interior
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: life going on, but they were still heroic. They took
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: action to help others. And this is like the standard
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: adventure fair. I mean, even James Bond actually is more
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: in full humanity because if you look at the original stories,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: they talk about his vulnerabilities to some degree. I mean,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: he's still an action hero. And even like if you
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: look at gold Finger because the way that he dealt
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: with the conflict in that was in part seducing a woman,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: so that that's more like the full humanity. And also
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: war fiction at the time lots lots of exploration of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: the interior lives of soldiers and how they dealt with
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: pain and violence and everything that went on. So, yeah,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: in the fifties and prior, definitely depictions of fully human
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: male characters with vulnerabilities and strengths. And then you know,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: about twenty three percent was more the flatter, more like deadly,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: do right, perfect hero kind of thing, and then twelve
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: percent were what I termed genuine critiques. So you'd have
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: a spectrum of men embodying different levels of morality, So
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: you'd have villains, you would have somewhere in the middle,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: maybe anti heroes, and then you'd have like the shining
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: noble hero that you live up to. And then ten
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: percent was plot and two percent was stereotype, like gross stereotype,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: like just villains or absent or fools. Now today humanity
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: is shrunk from fifty six percent to six percent, right,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: So when you're talking about we need to these new
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: male role models that integrate men's full humanity, look to
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: the past, because there they were, and then something happened
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: between the sixties and today that caused everything to shift.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: So now the men who are portrayed in fiction, only
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: six percent of them are fully human. That is strengths
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: and weaknesses, foibles, everything. Twelve percent are plot devices. We
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: got twelve percent that could be seen as like a
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: critique of masculinity, but it has a rain of men
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: who embody different levels of morality, from the villain to
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: the antiher to the noble hero. Right, and then we
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: got our seventy two percent of stereotype male characters. So
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: it went from two percent to seventy two percent gross stereotype.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: So men is villains, men is absent, men as fools,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: men is useless, men is worthless, men is fallen, Men
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: is deplorable and degraded. Men as the absolute worst of humanity. Right,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: that's what It's gone from two percent to seventy two percent.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: And men as human beings has gone from fifty six percent,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: which I mean is a slight undercut because you could
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: probably say that the critical and the heroic we're also
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: representing men as human, but men is explicitly human. God
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: has gone from fifty six percent to six That's what's happened.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: And this guy is saying we need to develop some
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: new Why don't we just go back a bit, you know,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: like like I said, with women, we don't need we
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily need that. You know, Actually, what's happening is women,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: we're going back because we don't have the economic power
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: we did. We're going back to older identities for women
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: as protector, stoic provider. Right now, women have to go
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: back to their identities of responsibility, and they're not liking it.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: And now we're looking at this and maybe we could
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: go back to men's identities of full humanity and start
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: to abandon all this horrific stereotyping of men, which is
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: you know, what a surprise we'd stereotype men horrifically under
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: the influence of a supremacist ideology, like because media, it's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: media is overwhelmingly pushing a female for our feminist framework.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: They're overwhelmingly pushing it all across media, novels, Hollywood, TV, everywhere.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: They're pushing this this male blame framework. And that's what
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: what caused this, that's what caused horrible stereotypes of men
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: to go from two percent to seventy two percent. Okay,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: maybe we could just rain that in.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, okay, so I think that's it
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: for that one. Do you want to do the other
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: video or no? It's okay, let me see, no new
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: super chats or superchows or anything like that.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: So oh, guys, get those super chows in. We're saying
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: interesting stuff. Feed the Badger dot com slash just the tip,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: get them in, Get them in, because I think this
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: is really interesting. I want to hear your thoughts. I
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: don't want to have to just sift through like the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: needle haystack, the hat haystack that is the chat or
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: alternatively the needle stack that is the special chat.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So the next uh, this one is
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: queer Kiwi and she has a problem with a d transitioner.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: So born a man, thought he was a woman, started
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: to transition, changed his mind, and worst of all, came
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: to Jesus. So that's a no no. But but made
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: videos about their journey, you know from I guess like
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: as a transperson. But then moving away from that and
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Queer key We has thoughts. So let's uh, let me see.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the first time code where she
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: gives a critique of rigid gender boxes, because that's where
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: this is going. So we see, here's the here's the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: person making their video about it, and that he.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 10: Used to make and the things that he used to say,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 10: So you kind of know what the starting point of
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 10: all of this was.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 12: Okay, I know nothing about what it means to be
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 12: a woman, and despite me being trans and a trans
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 12: identifying person, I'm okay with that. And I absolutely hate
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 12: seeing trans identifying males, seeing people who claim to know
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 12: so much about the gender that they're not like speaking
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 12: from experience, I'm there.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: I literally know nothing about women. That's okay. No, women
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: don't know nothing about women either, or at least they
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: deny most of it.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird paradigm to be
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: in because essentially they're like, he's he's he wants to
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: live as a woman. But and and this is supposed
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: to like according to the queer theorists, there is no
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: like gender is a social construct, and yet he's trying
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to live as a woman. So
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: he's trying to like get all the parts of the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: construct together, and he doesn't like that other people are
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: pretending to know. So it's just kind of like a
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: rabbit hole of postmodern gobbledygook. But anyway, I took steps.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 12: To look like and appear as a woman in society.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 12: But when it comes to womanhood in girlhood, I know
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 12: nothing and I never will and that's okay, Like whatever
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 12: goes on in a woman's head and a woman's body
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 12: and all of that, like that is all just a
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 12: complete anomaly to me.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm really curious how how this individual queer Kiwi
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: is going to respond to that. I think it's queer Kiwi, right,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: Rainbow strake, Yes, yeah, okay, it always will be.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate it. That was something I wanted
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: to show you before. I'll do it after this time.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Code is something I want to go to the sponsor.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: I really want I really want to know. I really
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: want to know how queer key we response to this.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: He's going to right now?
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 12: Okay, Okay, I think it's beautiful, but I'll know nothing
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 12: about it, and I'm okay with that, and I just.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 10: It's so frustrating because like that's not how this works.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 10: That's not how this works at all.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: This is really boxy, right, Okay, it's very it's a box.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: You can't put women in a box.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, or you can't put women in a box.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Or but what about let's let her make her case.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 10: Okay, that's very you have to meet these requirements to
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 10: be a woman. You have to meet these requirements to
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 10: be a man. If you do not check all these boxes,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 10: then you this that we are all different.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure when really already we're all different, but
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: men definitely oppress women. What a bunch of bullshit. We're
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: all different, except how my ideology has defined men and
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: women to suit itself. That's sachrosante, that's sacro sanct can't
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: question that because to question that would be misogyny, and
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: we have to care about misogyny more than mys injury.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: Because we're all different, we're all unique, we're all special snowflakes.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: But some of us are more special than others. Some
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: of us are more delicate than others. Some of us
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: our feelings need to be considered more deeply than others.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: But there's no boxes here except that men oppressed women. Thus,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: you know, men are in the box oppressor and women
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: are in the box oppressed. But there's no boxes. Is
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: that the totality of our response?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, basically, But I'll come back to that in
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: a second. I want to show you the sponsor, okay,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: because it's wild. You know, here, we.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 10: All can't complain too much. The thing I opened it
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 10: to was someone who had a very familiar face. It
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 10: is someone who has featured in a video way back
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 10: that I had almost completely forgotten about. I really have
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 10: to give an update on how they are doing before.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: So basically, this is a I guess she did a
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: response video to this detransitioner in the past.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: And where's the sponsorship?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: All right, here we go, here's a sponsor.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 10: I do get into it. I wanted to let you
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 10: all know that today I have potted it up with
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 10: my friends at Belisa to send.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Oh no gift, oh no, every single Okay, so this
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: is a dibraiters. Okay, it's it's starting.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: You know this company.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, because I've watched other female creators.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: She caught me off guard. I didn't know what it
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: was until she pulled it out and showed it to
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: you on screen. I just want to say, this is
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: what the YouTube algorithm supports. He has like what like
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: two hundred thousand subscribers, some crazy number. Yep, I'm sorry,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: four and eighty nine thousand subscribers yep.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just typically advertise your friendly for women.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: This is a woman thing. Okay, But let's let's uh,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: let's let's say the.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 10: Description Belisa is a company by women for all things
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 10: sexual wellness and empowerment. They have such a wide range
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 10: of toys that are suitable for anybody. They have some
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 10: really unique toys as well, such as one of the
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 10: newest editions, Grind. This is a grind pad which is
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 10: engineered to transform your movement into.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Pure enough enough enough. Okay, all right, okay, okay, so
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: this is something.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing that's interesting, Alison, So do you
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: think that intersectional feminist queer content like queer theory, does
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: that bring men and women closer together or further apart?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: And if it does bring them further apart, isn't that
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: also a unique opportunity to sell lonely women who don't
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: like men something that they could use as a supplement
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: for Like, this is like it's kind of grooming ish,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: isn't it. It's kind of groomy to me. It's like
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: there's something creepy and predatory about this in my opinion,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: but that it's manipulative.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they sell they sell the disease and the cure,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: which is disgusting. Well, okay, let me put it this way.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: This isn't disgusting, but this does not belong on a
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: video in YouTube. If if our channel gets hit by
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: like before doing things like showing a man being sexually
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: assaulted in order to raise awareness of that activity, it's
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: and it's not like a situation where we're showing anything.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: It's that something happened in public that's not being recognized
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: for what it is. And we're saying this is sexual assault, right,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: and then YouTube hits us for that. But this is fine.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Sexual toys for women is fine, and I'm pretty sure
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: that sexual toys for men is not fine. There's going
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: to be some serious advertiser blowback for doing that for men.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I have a suspicion. But yes,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: it also is like, you know, she sells women's distaste
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: for men, and then she sells sexual aids for women
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: who can't get a sexual partner or don't want a
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: sexual partner. And what's actually really funny is that Richard
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Bier who suggested this and this, I guess this is
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: this is this. I think he's he's finding these patterns,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: which is interesting. He also suggested a Russian sci fi
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: comedy called No Man's own. It sort of ended up
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: being a sci fi comedy with a little bit of
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: a drama, which was about a society of women separate
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: from men and its eventual inclusion with the society that
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: was integrated. And part of the society of women is
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: they would constantly stop things to do advertisements for vibrators,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy, the Russians really have their finger
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: on the pulse of Western feminism somehow. I'm pretty sure
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: that people are gonna accuse me of being like a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: Russian plant. Now I'm not I shouldn't have even said that,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: because now people are gonna be like, that's proof, she's
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: denied it. But but yeah, that's that. Find that so
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: hilarious because they got that one hundred percent accurate, while
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: they got a lot of a lot one hundred percent accurate.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: But this this persistent like they would be mind wiping
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: someone as a punishment for being anti social, and the
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: person being mind wipe and then they would would would
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: like show their their hallucinations is like entertainment, and then
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: the person being mind wipe would stop and be like,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: and this is the Lily of the Valley two thousand,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: which you which is coming out in blah blah blah
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: blah blah. It was really but yeah, this is this
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: is embarrassing, like once you're selling vibrators, I think your
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: content is a joke and this is not like this
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: is not appropriate content for anything serious, Like literally literally, ladies,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: can you go an entire political podcast without thinking about
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: flicking the bean? Like nobody is like, this is not
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: like why would you put this content in a political podcast?
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: I mean obviously, Brian, you hit it ahead on the
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: nail or the nail on the head when you said,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: you know, they're manufacturing the very the very user base
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: for their product.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's going to uh, very useful because you
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: basically like create the problem or you create the problem
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: and then sell sell a panacea like a yeah, like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: a sugar pill to the people. So it's just interesting
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: to me. But okay, so we're let's get into this
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: bit here.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 10: I agress there is not inherently anything wrong with detransitioning, right, Like,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 10: people are constantly learning and changing and growing and figuring
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 10: out more things about themselves. And I know that there
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 10: are awesome people who transition and then they de transition
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 10: and just carry on with life like.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: That, right, Like, it. I think, Look, I just want
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: to say, I think you have to say this even
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: if you don't really believe it, because it's just again,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: you know, because this ideology is inherently agreeable, you have
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: to say, I don't have a problem with people doing this,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: but there's always going to be a butt after that.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: And the problem with this kind of like laissez fair
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: attitude towards this is that not everyone. A lot of
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: people who transition are taking steps that can't be reversed
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: while being told that they can be, by the way,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: which is a lie. And so but the thing is
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: this person who so you know, the people like Queer
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Kiwi that recommend these drastic steps, they don't ever have
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: to take responsibility for people making decisions based on their claims,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: so they never live with the consequence of that. Instead,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: they just get to say, well, I'm okay with ud transition.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: And we're talking about there's people who have like done
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: irreversible things to themselves and they're like, I regret this,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: and people like this will be like, well, I don't
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: have a problem with you doing that, just just don't
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: go selling it to everybody else. And this is like
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: what she's going to say, I'm sorry for burying the
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: lead there, but anyway, Yeah, a bit frustrating.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 10: I can't put myself in the shoes of someone who
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 10: is trans or a D transitioner. But I also know
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 10: that D transitioners are in the minority, and there is
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 10: no problem with the transition is existing. However, there is
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 10: a problem with the transitioners who then turn around and
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 10: make their entire thing talking about how being trans is bad.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 10: They regret it, everyone will regret it and actively campaigning
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 10: against transnis, trans rights people being trans and like having
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 10: access to gender femin care, et cetera.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: You can regret your always, but do it silently.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have your regrets, but don't tell anybody
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: about it. Let other people fall into this same pattern.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: And you know, like if they and that's the thing,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: like this is about control, and she'll say they're in
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: the minority. Even though we don't really know how many people, firstly,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: how many people have regrets, how many people take like,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: you know, extreme measures, because like if you let's say
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: you just started cross dressing and thought that you were
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: non binary or or larped it because it's sort of
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: a social contagion, like in your school or or you know,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: on your campus, and then you like sort of wake
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: up and you're like, well what am I doing? Like
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: this is ridiculous and you stop doing it. Then you've
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: done nothing, you've invested anything, so you don't really have
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: much of a of a stake in the outcome. You
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: just basically it's a regrettable part of your youth and
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: you move on. But what about the people like Jazz Jennings, who, like,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: you know, their parents were behind it one hundred percent,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: and they like especially the mom, and she you know,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: basically castrates her son and puts them on all kinds
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: of meds, and they get a reality show and it
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: basically encourages them to take it further and further, and
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it still remains to see if that's
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: gonna completely implode, which I think it will one day,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: because I don't think these things are sustainable, and I'm
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to be wrong. I'd like to be
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: but I don't think I am. And then that person
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Jazz Jennings, as a massive profile, comes out and says,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: you know what, I regret everything. I don't think this
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: is a good idea. Here are my thoughts here's what
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: I went through, here's all of my experience, and then
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: people like qu're cremate. You can't do that. You have
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: to be quiet and just keep it to yourself. And
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: in particular, I think it's interesting because this is a
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: male to female. I don't know if like you know,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: female to me. I know that that number is going up,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: but I don't know that there would be that much
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: pushback a female to male, you know, m hm.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: So couldn't tell you, well, I mean probably, Well it'll
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: always be interpreted through their ideology, right.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, but anyway, let me see. Uh so
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: that was that? So yeah, if you're trans and you
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: read it, it's fine, just don't tell anybody. Let's go
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: to Oh yeah, here's a good one. Nine thirty one.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: This is a good one. This is a typical take
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: that you would get from a feminist.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 10: You cannot say you don't understand womanhood as a whole,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 10: but you understand like manhood better. When you you aren't
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 10: a man, or you were not living as a man
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 10: presenting as a man, no one perceived you as a
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 10: man's you weren't treated that way. You were treated as
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 10: a woman. So thus you do understand womanhood because.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: You womanhood is just an experience of being acted upon.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, is that what she's saying.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I was saying.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: That, she's saying that this guy, this this de transitioner
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: is saying, you know what, I'm actually a man and
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to live as a man because that's what
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: I was born as. And he was trying to live
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: as a woman for I guess a while, I don't
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: know how long, and then said, you know what, I
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: don't really get it. It's not working. And what queer
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Kiwi is saying is but you larped as a woman
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: for a while, So how can you claim to just
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: be a man even though you've never actually lived as
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: a man, even though biologically he is a man. Well,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: I mean he didn't live the man life.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: So actually, let's go back and listen to do her
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: whole thing. I'm somewhat baffled here.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 10: If you are perceived as a woman, then you experienced
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 10: the patriarchy like a woman does with an.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, pause, pause, paw, okay, right here, guys, admission is
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: right here. Women are victims. The womanhood experience is oppression.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: That is the experience of it. To know being a
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: woman is to know being oppressed and a victim. That
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: is the full scope of womanhood, right Okay, well maybe
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: not the full scope, but it's the central pillar.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: But we're not putting people in boxes. And also it's
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: interesting because this, you know, radical transactivists hear this and
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: they turn around they say to trans exclusive radical feminists,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: you're holding on to your oppression as a marker. And
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: Rainbow bright queer Kiwi right here is demonstrating exactly what
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: they're talking about. What is the marker of womanhood, Well,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: it's oppression. And we're not putting things into boxes, guys.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: We're just saying that throughout all of human history, women
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: have been in the box oppressed, and men have been
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: in the box depressor. But those aren't real boxes. They're
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: just the truth. And because they're the truth, you can't
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: call them boxes or a binary.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, let's keep going, all right.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 10: With an added layer of prejudice and bigotry, like you
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 10: are experiencing misogyny and life as a woman and men
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 10: also a bit more. You cannot say you don't understand
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 10: womanhood as a whole, but you understand like manhood better.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: When case. All right, okay, so you're experiencing the experience
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: of a victimhood, which is woman. How do women enjoy
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: this content? Like, how do you enjoy Oh, your experience
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: a womanhood is victimhood, And because you're a trans woman,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: it's victimhood plus like a little bit extra. That's that's
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: your life. Say goodbye to your frefrontal cortex. You don't
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: need that because you're a victim. This is why I
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: call them the soft the lobotomy sisters, because this is
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: what they're encouraging in women, to constantly view themselves through
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: the lens of victimhood. And of course, if you say
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: that doesn't sound like it's supported, it's not scientifically supported,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: they call you a misogynist. So they don't even know
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: if this is justified. They can't even prove that this
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: is justified to themselves. They can't even think about whether
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: or not it's justified. They just live it. They live
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: their true belief that they're a victim because they're a woman.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: And if you're a trans woman, you're a victim plus
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: because you got a little extra. And that, incidentally is
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: the real dichotomy. People who can be victims versus those
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: who can not, which are men functionally cannot be victims.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest. I mean, fists will say, oh, yeah,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: it's possible for a man to experience domestic violence, but
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: it's only because a woman has an internalized patriarchy and
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: he has actually, you know, invited upon himself. It's still
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: his faults. He's not really a victim because you know,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: if he hadn't constructed the patriarchy, maybe his abusive wife
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have internalized it so much and punched him in
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: the face there, you know that kind of thing. So
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: that is the real dichotomy here. Women are victim, men
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: are not. And I don't understand why this is like,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: this is this is this is this is why I'm weird.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: I guess I don't understand why a woman can sit
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: there and listen to this and be yep, yeah, yeah,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: that's wonderful. I just love feeling like I'm a victim.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: I just love being defined by how I'm acted upon
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: by other by men. I just love being like a
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: sand painting that men are that are men are inscribing.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: I love being a blank slate that men inscribe their
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: actions on. I just love it, like Are you fucking mental?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: But this is this is the big break between me
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: and women. Are you fucking why? Why? Why do you
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: do this? Why is this attractive? Like why is that
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: least it's like painting your arms and legs?
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: Well, it's it's not. It's not it's not supposed to
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: make women feel good about themselves. It's because this is
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: really just her saying why would you want to be
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: a man? That's all That's like, ultimately all she's saying,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: like are you sure?
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Why would this? Why would this trans Why would know?
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: It's like this just it's like it's not overt it's
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: like discouraging, like, oh well, how could Like it's sort
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: of like cause it's trying to cause yeah, I know
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: a man in himself as a man, Like why would
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: you You've already lived as a woman and you were
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: a victim of patriarchy and transphobia, Like why would you?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: You know? Like, why would you want to be a man?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Are you sure you're a man? How do you know
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: what that is? You dealt with patriarchy and transphobia? How
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: would you know what a man? What it's like to
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: be a man? You know, Like it's it's it's I
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: see the fundamental thing that's being challenged by the transition.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: Because he has experienced victimhood, he can no longer be
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: a man.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: He probably didn't like being treated like a victim, yeah.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: And considered them Okay, but seriously, maybe that's what you mean,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: what you mean, and what she means. Because he's now
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: experienced the victimhood of femininity, he can no longer really
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: be a man. He is now claimed by by the
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: victimhood blob. It's like, no, you can't cease seeing yourself
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: as a victim. Okay, let's let's continue.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 10: We're not living as a man presenting as a man,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 10: No one as a man.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: Will do believe they did prior to his transition though,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: right what okay?
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: Is she just or I don't I don't, but I
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: don't know how long he lived as a man.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: I guess it doesn't. It doesn't. It isn't relevant because
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: she's saying that for this period of time she was
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: not perceived as a man. He lived as a woman.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: He experienced patriarchy, patriarchal victimization. Therefore, he is now has
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: the female experience because giving, you know, having children not
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: the female experience, like the female half of having not
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: the female experience you need. You neque cognitive functions like
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: having more peripheral vision, having a keener sense of smell,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: more more dexterous in your fingers. That's not a female experience.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, you know, having a lower center of body
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: mass not a female experience. No, it's just victimhook guys.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I I've got a super chow from Albatross for
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: five dollars. And he didn't say anything, So I don't
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: know if it, like if he meant to say something
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: or what, but a comment in the chat and tact
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: badgery live streams, tag it and let us know what
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: you if you meant to say something else.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: Because what is your commentary?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is your commentary? Or you're just giving us
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: five dollars? That's fine too, I guess.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 10: Okay, all right, as a woman, so thus you do
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 10: understand womanhood because you were a woman, you perceived this woman,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 10: you were living woman.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: No, no, she paused there. She didn't give any other
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: additional details aside you were a victim of patriarchy as
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: a woman. Yes, right, so that's that's the essence. Now
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: I know that she's saying, how could you become a man.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: I think no. I think she's just directly, really directly shame. No.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: I think that it's shameful to one live as a man.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: Though, well, of course it's shameful. But I think we're
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: what she's doing right here. It's not related to the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: shame of wanting to be a man. It is related
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: to him specifically saying he doesn't have access to the
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: female experience, right, That's what he said, And then she's saying, no,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: you do because you lived as a woman and you
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: experience patriarchal oppression. Therefore you have had access to all
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: the female experience that matters fundamentally. So basically, she's part
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: of the feminist framework that if a man becomes a
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: woman and experiences patriarchal oppression, that's all that's needed for
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: him to thus become a woman. That's it's it's like
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: the initiation ritual for womanhood. You run through the colds
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: of patriarchal oppression, and now you are a woman. You
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: are a woman. I think that's what she means, and
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: I know in the negative, it actually makes it really
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: awful to be a man, because basically you're just a
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: harm for women. But I don't think that that's what
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: she's saying right now. It's true that that's another effect,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: but I don't think that's the point of what she's
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: saying my own that's my own opinion. You could listen
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: to more right.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 10: Mm hmm by saying that you don't understand womanhood because
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 10: you are perceived as a woman, but you don't have
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 10: the brain of a woman, when firstly, trans women do
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 10: have the brains of women because they are women. And
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 10: what you don't have the biology of a woman, you
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 10: don't have like female anatomies, so you don't want like
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 10: you don't men straight, not even all cis women men.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, So this so she's working from reverse logic. She's
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: like doing a very logic like, oh, you have a
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: brain of a woman because women, because you are a woman.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: Therefore you have the brain of a woman. So now
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: if she's telling him, actually you're not a man, you're
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: a woman.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. Now, she's going into you're actually a
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: woman now and brain of a woman. So if you
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: if you, if you say you're a woman, you now
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: have the brain of a woman. It doesn't matter what
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: the specific structures of your brain are. You now have
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: the brain of a woman because you say you're a woman.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, all right, so I can play some more.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 10: We all have different hormone levels, we all have different
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 10: fault patterns, and like our bodies.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: And okay, so so wait wait, wait, so we all
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: have different thought patterns, we all have different hormone levels,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: we all have different biologies, but we are all connected.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: See what she's saying. We are all connected by patriarchal oppression.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: That's what makes womanhood. And then the turfs wonder why
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: they're transactivists, say, you know, the only thing you're attaching
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: to for womanhood is patriarchal oppression. What makes you like
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: oppressed by men? Well that's right here, that's what she's doing.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: There's all kinds of womanhood, and even womanhood can even
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: be manhood. I mean if the man identifies as a woman.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: But it all has the same thing, which is that
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: you are oppressed by men. If you are oppressed by men,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: you are a woman. That's what she's saying, right.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Right, right, sure, yeah, of course. Well I think I
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: think that the problem is too, is that it's bad
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: for the brand if if someone detransitions and then says,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: you know what, I didn't like this victimhood thing. I
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: don't want to live you know, I don't think it
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: applied to me. I don't, I don't. I don't think
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: we should be celebrating this and that. And that's kind
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: of like, I mean, I don't want to call it
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: uniquely masculine, but it's kind of a masculine thing to do.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: So he's actually behaving like a man by rejecting this
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: casting of victim and I think that's bad for the
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: feminist brand because they they it's like what they sell.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: So you're basically saying this product doesn't work, and they're like, no,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: like it has to work. It's you're the problem. So
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: let Yeah, this is another video. We saw the clip
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: from you. It's interesting, but you're right, Yeah, when this
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: person was still living as a woman, we saw that clip.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: This is them when they said, Okay.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: Before we get into it, I just want to I
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: just okay, you have to reintroduce that. But because I
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: really wanted to get in on one of this, You're right,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: he is basically saying victimhood did not make me a woman. Yeah,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: something else did. And they can't say that because women
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: have to be made through the feminist framework, like feminism
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: has to own how women identify and also how men identify.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: So if this guy says, well, the way that feminists
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: arranged the genders did not apply to me, I mean
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: he has the most authority to say that, really, because
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: he's been through the whole process and he's like, Nope,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: that didn't apply. They're wrong, You're right. It's they have
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: to control the brand, the the the they have to
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: control the damage to the brand that this man presents.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, So here's him, uh with a
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: follow up video where he basically explains his how he
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: woke up from gender dysphoria and started loving himself from
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: his aphoria.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 10: And started loving myself as a man.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: Hello hello, oh oh, Okay, before we get into this,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: and I do want to see it, but isn't it
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: interesting that that this is what this detransitioner is upsetting her?
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: Or or not upsetting her, she she focused on him.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe it isn't, but he has found a way to
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: love himself as a man. You're not allowed to do that, dude.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: Feminists don't let you do that, Like you're not that's
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: not acceptable. This literally is anti feminism prepared to be
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: called the manosphere.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, you're the manosphere now welcome?
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 13: Yeah, because you. I'm so happy to be starting my
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 13: official YouTube account in showcasing my journey from being a
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 13: trans woman to being a happy man and accepting myself
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 13: as a man. But first I want to get into
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 13: gender dysphoria and how all.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit. He basically says,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: you know, it's unique because it's like we're celebrating a
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: mental illness as opposed to He's like, you wouldn't do
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: that for like bolimia or anorexia or whatever, or depression,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: and you know that. I mean that's fair. So I'm
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: gonna jump to uh because I mean, we've been gone
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: for two hours now and I want to eat. But
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: let me see if I can find another another time code. Well,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: she let me jump to her reaction to this, Okay,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: celebrate them.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna have to stop you right then.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's a wait, wait, I want a clarification. So
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: he's said we don't celebrate men.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing no, he's saying, we don't send celebrate, We
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: shouldn't celebrate. Okay, you celebrate jennerusphoria. But in a way
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: he is saying because he just wants to live as
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: a man. And the thing is, if you say I'm trans,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: especially if you're a man, you say you're trans, then
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: you get like put on a pedestal because you are like,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, breaking shattering the gender binary
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: or something the patriarchy at the same time, but if
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: you say, you know what I actually, if you I
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: just want to live as a man, then it's like ughugh,
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: you know, added to then there is especially yeah, absolutely.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: Specially yeah, and especially if you say I learned to
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: love myself as a man. That's not loud, dude, that's
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: not allowed in feminist theory. Key, let's keeping feminist firm Work'll.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 10: Twist it up right. No one is celebrating jenditusaria. That's
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 10: not what the celebration is. The celebration is Teresa gender dysphoria,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 10: and the treatment to gender dysphoria is gender affirmation. The
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 10: celebration is not like, whoo, you have gender dysparia, how
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 10: fun view. The celebration is of recognizing what it is
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 10: you're struggling with and then making steps to overcome that.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: And then well, yeah he just did though.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: So the essentially what you're saying is if you celebrate
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: this particular treatment format for a mental health issue, that's okay,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: and it's not pushing people towards it, especially when you
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: consider that gender dysphoria comes with, you know, other mental
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: health issues. You're not pushing people towards it.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're by celebrating this particular treatment because there are
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: other treatments and obviously he pursued a treatment that worked
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: for him and might work for other individuals who want
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: to not become they are for whatever reason, they no
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: longer want to transition to be women. They would like
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: to now go back to being men, right, okay, all right,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: so you can't celebrate that.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: Though, all right, I got one more forty minutes.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Oh geez, do you mean all throughout this she didn't
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: say anything of worse.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of her stuff is rambly, and
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: like she just sort of repeats herself, like.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: Does he ever say anything more about learning to love
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: himself as a.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: Man's a there's a no, not really. I mean I
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: can go to his bit right here? Yeah, dress how
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: I want to dress?
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 13: Been how I've always been in my life and I
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 13: didn't need to tag along this identity as a trans woman. Yeah,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 13: that's what I'm telling you. That's what I did. I
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 13: grow my facial hair out. Now I dress as a man,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 13: and I'm happy about it because I'm expressing myself.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: Truly.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 10: That's kind of the whole point that well, okay, so okay,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 10: So yeah, he basically says, look, you know, I didn't.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Essentially, he's saying, I just stopped pretending to be something
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not and now I'm just gonna be me and
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: that's okay. And she's saying, well, that's the whole point, Like,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: you can be a trans you basically, according to queer theory,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: you can dress however you like you meet a man
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: in a dress and still say you're assists man like
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: the way that you know. And you can be a
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: woman like wearing like a fucking you know, military tactical
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: armor and say you're still a woman, like a sist
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: gendered feminine woman. So essentially, the the it is the
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like it's like eliminating all categories completely.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: And of course nobody says you have to live like
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: you have to live in some kind of box. That's
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: a that's a bullshit premise that a lot of these
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: queer theorists even bring up. While you're in the man bars,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: you doing the man thing, It's like, no, like, there's
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: always been wiggle room and there will always be wiggle room.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: You guys didn't invent it, but they act like they did,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: and so this is them sort of reinforcing it. Like
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: he's saying, I want to live however I want, and
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: she's like, well, that was our idea, you know.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, controlling the brand, controlling damage to the brand.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've alway ownership of things that they didn't own.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: So find the next thing.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 14: That he says, maybe, okay, yeah, of man and woman,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 14: which you just said you all right, yes, but here's
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 14: the thing.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: As a trans woman, you encourage him to integrate your boxes, right, okay. Well,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: if he's saying all that hurts me, maybe he's talking
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: about the feminist boxes, which is woman is victim, Man
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: is a presser. Because you're not replaced, you're not getting
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: rid of boxes. Lady. You just demonstrated at length that
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: you have constructed a new box, which is women's victim.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what he didn't like, all right, I apologize
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: condition of the brain.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 13: You don't cure it with a boob job or bottom surgery.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 13: You don't cure it with gender affirming care, which is
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 13: a disgusting way to put sterilization in harmful hormone usage,
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 13: And a lot of people ask me, are you still
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 13: taking hormones? Are you gonna like?
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: I never did.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 13: That's what I want to make it clear and make
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 13: it known to so many people's I never took hormones
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 13: because I always held on to a little shred of
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 13: truth that was maybe I'll come out of it.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, good lord, thank god you did, like honestly, Yeah,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: And then and the and the fact is you call
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: it gender affirming care of no offense. You are sterilizing people, and.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: You are chemical castration stating the truth. Yeah, people who
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: actually go through it must on some level know what
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: they're doing to themselves.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: And why would you encourage this for trans women if
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: there's like the the their physical bodies don't make them women,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: just the experience of victimhood makes them women. Like, if
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: that's your qualification, they don't have to go through gender
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: affirming care. Their only gender affirming care that they need
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: is to feel like a victim. Well many of them
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: already got that, So congratulations, you're a woman according to feminists,
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, all right, you skip it to whatever last
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: uh time code you wanted to put it to.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: All right, let me see, uh yeah, twenty four, twenty four,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: thirty two.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go, twenty four to thirty two.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 10: Being like, you can be a man and wear dresses.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 10: You can be a man and do your makeup. You
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 10: can do whatever you want.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: And identify how this can't be a victim?
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 10: Can be a trans woman dressed like a man, right,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 10: Like it is about who you are.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: But if you're not perceived as being a woman, you're
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: you're not. You can't understand what it is to be
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: a woman because you don't experience patriarchal oppression Like.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: There's well, you do if you're identifying as a woman.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: But once you stop identifying as a woman, then you
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: no longer do then you are the patriarchy.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: This like, this is this is so insanely arbitrary, Like
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: this is such it's such has such a lack of
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: any kind of intellectual grounding, like if you if you
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: if you appear to be a woman, or if you
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: identifies a woman, and you're you even appear to be
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: a man, and you experience oppression, then you're a woman.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: But the moment you look like a man and you
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: experience life like a man and you identifies a man,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: you start to be part of the patriarchy, and you
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: experience being an oppressor. Mm hmm.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 10: Okay, you dress yourself and present the gender boxes and
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 10: gender norms are a conservative value.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: Thus, really really okay, Wait, you have made it very
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: clear that you have gender boxes, and your gender boxes
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: are women are how men act on them, and men
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: are how women how they act on women. Except it's
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: always bad. Mm hmm, Like, don't give me that shit
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: eating grin there, lady. You know you're full of shit
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: saying this conservative. If anything, the problem that you have
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: with conservative gender roles is they're too relaxed. They can
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: allow for the idea that women act and men are
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: acted upon. You can't handle it when men and women
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  Speaker 2: must occupy completely different states of existence. But but while
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: men and women occupy completely different states of existence, women
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  Speaker 2: are some kind of mineral, men are some kind of animal.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it is extremely easy to switch between the two. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: why don't you just become a human being.
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  Speaker 1: Lady, it's asking too much. Okay, that's it. I mean, okay,
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  Speaker 1: aren't like, basically, guys, if you believe that there are
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  Speaker 1: two sexes, guess what you're conservative? Are you guys? Ready
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  Speaker 1: to destigmatize that term yet? Okay to do that because
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: they're just going to keep using it, and you just
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  Speaker 1: got to like let them just be like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: give a fuck. It's like being be like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: care I'm sexist. Then I'm just trying to get to
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  Speaker 1: the truth. Call it whatever you want.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think the way that they're using the term conservative,
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  Speaker 2: it loses all its meaning to be frank Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, you can't let them play the
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  Speaker 2: game name game if you if you're constant they're constantly
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  Speaker 2: allowing them to play whack the mole with names, then
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  Speaker 2: you are not going to get anything done. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't deny the conservative label because these idiots are calling
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  Speaker 2: me it. I'm saying conservative is its own thing, and
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: I am another thing, right, And I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 2: either of those two things are better or worse than
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  Speaker 2: each other, and in fact, they are both vital for
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  Speaker 2: any kind of advanced thought. Okay, but that is this
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  Speaker 2: is I'm this role, Conservatives are this role. Neither are,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, should be stigmatized. And I recognize that
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: the people who call themselves liberal and left, they don't
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  Speaker 2: demonstrate the open mindedness, the self doubt and introspection and
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  Speaker 2: all of the other stuff that used to be associated
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  Speaker 2: with the term right. They don't want to occupy that
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  Speaker 2: at all. They've just turned everything into tribalism, intellectual tribalism,
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  Speaker 2: which is not conservative and it's not liberal. It's just
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: intellectual tribalism. Yeah, and no, I don't like I mean
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  Speaker 2: they call me, I get called conservative. I'm like, yeah,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: I guess I don't. I'm not going to be like,
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm gonna I'm gonna run around proving
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a conservative, because it's just like it's just
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: like calling me like, oh, you are a French speaker.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: Well not really, but I'm not going to be upset
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: you think I can speak French. Well maybe little bit.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: I'll be a little bit upset. I'm gonna use a
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: different language. Oh you speak Swahili. I'm like, well I don't,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: but you know, I'm not upset that you're saying that
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: I speak Swahili, all right, okay, but anyway, but I
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  Speaker 2: take your point, like, you're absolutely right. You can't let
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: these people play the whack a mole game with names,
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: and then you're constantly running away from them labeling, running
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: away from them labeling you something. It's like they don't
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: even have the right to label people these labels because
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: they are in effect a supremacist, eugenicist ideology that has
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  Speaker 2: gotten away with it for years. They've gotten away with massive,
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: massive ethical breaches in their academic frameworks for years. And
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: you can see it right here in what she's doing.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: She says, Oh, conservatives think there's a gender binary. We
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: just think that you become a woman by experienced oppression,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: and if you're a man, you become a man by
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: being an oppressor. Like that, what is that? That is
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: a gender binary. And not only is it a gender binary.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 15: It's like you look at the you look at the
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 15: conservative gender binary of gender complimentarianism, that men and women
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  Speaker 15: work together to make a world worth living in, and
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 15: men and women have different strengths and different weaknesses, and
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 15: they complement each other and they rely on each other
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 15: and love comes out of that and you look at
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 15: that and you're like, oh my.
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  Speaker 16: God, Oh oh that's horrible. Oh that's not the truth
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  Speaker 16: at all. The truth is that women are only ever
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 16: beaten and raped by men. That's what men want to
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 16: do to keep us down.
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  Speaker 2: And men are only ever the most horrible they could
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: ever be a woman ever, because they just want to
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: be oppressors. Oh but they don't really want to be
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: because truly, I don't want to say that it's necessarily
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: something they've chosen. It's just a it's just an unconscious
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: reflex from their well I can't say biology, but just
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: just a socialization that we can't identify anywhere but exists everywhere.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: Men areka. It's just it's just a reflex that they
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: do that they're so evil And that's that's the gender
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: binary that you really twig on. Huh. And then you
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: have the audacity to turn around and show throw shade
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: on the conservative complementary and gender binary. Why because it's
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: so life affirming and humanistic and kind and gentle and
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: empathic and actually respects both parties. Like seriously, Okay, I
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: think that I'm done. I just I think I think
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: this sort of was you know, it was presumptively about detransitioning,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: but I think it ended up being about Rainbow Bright's
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: version of gender binaries and how it's utterly morally bankrupt.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: And then she has the audacity to to fart in
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: the general direction of the conservative complementarianism gender binary This
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: is Christy. It's like it's like Satan coming out of
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: a sulfurous crack and then and then complaining about somebody
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: a redhead wearing pink with red hair. Yeah, I don't
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: know that that might that might have fallen flat. Who knows?
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: You you you didn't bring you didn't you didn't say
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: you didn't you didn't send your library books back on time.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: You're so much worse than me. Just imagine that like Satan,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: like the horrific image of Satan from like the media
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: e all just coming out of a soul fur's crack
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: and then telling you about how you didn't return your
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: library books or your videotapes.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: That's probably what she's going to get me sent to
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: hell some library book that I never returned exactly. Yeah,
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: probably anyway, Yeah, so I'm done. I'm hungry. I gotta go.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: You I am equally hungry, or maybe maybe not equally,
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: I can't say that because I don't don't have experiences
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: being Brian and a man.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: I yeah, I won't make any claims either way, and
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: just know I haven't really eaten at all today.
• 2:19:22
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• 2:20:01
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