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S2 #3 Paradise Lost · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with IR Radio. It has been a long week, but
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  Speaker 1: we're back on season two, Episode three. Oh the Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. Ashley, we've made it a full season. What's
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  Speaker 1: going on? Um? Well, what is on my mind is
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  Speaker 1: this Christina and Dean drama from this week. It seems
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  Speaker 1: to hit pretty close to home with me. I know
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  Speaker 1: it's not an exact comparison to me and Jared, Jared
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  Speaker 1: and Jared and me, um, but it's got similarities and
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  Speaker 1: I definitely feel I definitely feel connected to it. Um
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  Speaker 1: Jared of course. Actually yeah, I mean I'm just putting
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  Speaker 1: myself in Jared. Juse, how in the heck are you
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  Speaker 1: comparing the two of these situations? Okay, so basically the
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  Speaker 1: difference is Dean and Christina obviously were dating. They're dating,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they went home with each other for a
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  Speaker 1: week or more. Um, just there's mutual interest. Right with Jared,
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  Speaker 1: we were talking at best, I suppose. But I think
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  Speaker 1: the difference is that right now we're seeing Dean say, hey, Christina,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of want to broaden my horizons. Like me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to accept dates and I think you should too.
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  Speaker 1: And we see Christina totally heartbroken over this, and she
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  Speaker 1: has to witness the guy that she likes so much
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  Speaker 1: go out with other girls, snuggle with other girls, just
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  Speaker 1: like make googly eyes and other girls and just her
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  Speaker 1: her experience is so similar to mine, it is and yeah, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: but then what are you talking about. It's so it
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  Speaker 1: was like, it's the most hurtful thing to have to
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  Speaker 1: see the guy that you like with somebody else because
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  Speaker 1: normally you don't have to watch that. Like the most
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna see is through social media. You know how
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  Speaker 1: that goes. That hurts in general, and that that so
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  Speaker 1: that sucks. Um Also you hear it like through rumors
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  Speaker 1: with mutual friends and all that. But like in this
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  Speaker 1: weird world that is the Bachelor, you actually have to
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  Speaker 1: watch the person you like with other people. And it
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  Speaker 1: just is a whole different degree of suck nous. And
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  Speaker 1: another thing I could continue. We'll go ahead. People either
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  Speaker 1: they're in paradise or like maybe viewers are probably thinking Christina.
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  Speaker 1: He said he wants to pump the brakes. He said
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  Speaker 1: he wants to do other people. Rudd. It's not even
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  Speaker 1: a red flag. It's more than that. And he's blatantly
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  Speaker 1: saying like I like you, but I'm not. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna dedicate too much time to this. I if a
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  Speaker 1: guy is saying that he's not that into correct, Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I think you're completely right. So I have a couple
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  Speaker 1: opinions on this, and I look forward here we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna take a couple of callers to get their
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  Speaker 1: opinions as well. But to start off the conversation, I
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  Speaker 1: want to say one thing. I like Dean. I've never
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  Speaker 1: met Christina. I'm sure sure she's awesome. You're completely correct.
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  Speaker 1: Anytime you have to watch anything like this happened in
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  Speaker 1: front of you or it's you to do in today's world,
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  Speaker 1: it hurts really bad and it's not fair to either
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  Speaker 1: party involved, especially when there's real feelings and and and
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  Speaker 1: hearts behind it. Um. I just think, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to take some callers here my my personal opinions. I
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  Speaker 1: think Dean is terrible ending things with somebody and and
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  Speaker 1: I have my my reasoning behind that. But first, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: we have a really exciting announcement. We've we it took
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  Speaker 1: us a whole season to get this going. Um, but
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  Speaker 1: can you please tell our colors about how they can
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  Speaker 1: now call us. Oh, yes, we have an actual hotline.
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  Speaker 1: You can call us at eight three three Ben b
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  Speaker 1: N n Ashley like N like Ashley and Ben like
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  Speaker 1: the letter end. Okay, so you guys write this number
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  Speaker 1: down because so many of you are, so many of
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  Speaker 1: you tweet us and they're like, how do we call
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  Speaker 1: into the podcast? Well, here's the number. It's a three
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  Speaker 1: three two three six six to Evan Fur and it'll
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  Speaker 1: be like that the entire season. So that means you
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  Speaker 1: can put it as a contact on your phone and
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  Speaker 1: whenever that weekly tweet goes out by me, you can
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  Speaker 1: just call into that number and hopefully you get through
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  Speaker 1: and we get to talk to you. We have a
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  Speaker 1: voicemail if you want to leave us a message. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we have a voicemail, so please leave us messages. How
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  Speaker 1: fun is that? All Right, We're gonna go to our
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  Speaker 1: first caller, Lauren and Brittany in d C, my home city. Hey, Laura, Brittany,
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  Speaker 1: Hey Nova represent Yeah, Okay, what the heck is Northern
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  Speaker 1: Virginia c m V represent DC Maryland, Virginia. Question. Hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: what's your question? Guys? Oh, we wanted to ask you all, um,
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  Speaker 1: if you like what you think went on off screen
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  Speaker 1: with Dean and Christina, because we feel like to understand
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  Speaker 1: the relationship on Paradise, there was so much that happened
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  Speaker 1: in that those weeks when they weren't filming, and there's
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  Speaker 1: anything you can tell us, I don't know what you
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  Speaker 1: guys can actually say. Oh, Ben, you take this question first, Okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so, as as you know, we have been
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  Speaker 1: able to be with Dean here recently, and and it's
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like the way Bachelor in Paradise is
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  Speaker 1: doing this where they're being very transparent with the fact
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  Speaker 1: that people hung out when there is a break in
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  Speaker 1: the show. That's not a secret to the audience. It
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be a secret because obviously relationships built in that time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the details of what happened. I do
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  Speaker 1: know that during that break I had heard a rumor
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  Speaker 1: that Dean and Christina were doing very well, that they
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  Speaker 1: had kind of walked away from Paradise m very happy.
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  Speaker 1: And so all I know is in that break things
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  Speaker 1: were progressing forward in their relationship. But I just don't
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  Speaker 1: know to what level or what extent. So it was
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  Speaker 1: a little shocking to me on the first day back
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  Speaker 1: when Dean did in things I was I was surprised
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  Speaker 1: by that for me. For me, I think it is
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  Speaker 1: important that we point out the fact that this is
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  Speaker 1: completely completely unique to the show to have in between
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  Speaker 1: time off camera before a fantasy suite. Um, do I
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  Speaker 1: know of anything that actually went down? They spent time
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  Speaker 1: together town, and they went with some other bachelor people
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  Speaker 1: to Chicago or something. Yeah. They so they went like
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  Speaker 1: five days to her hometown. I believe he did not
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  Speaker 1: meet her parents. He may have met other family and
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  Speaker 1: may have met friends. And then they took a road
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  Speaker 1: trip to Chicago where they hung out with Iggy and
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  Speaker 1: Diggy you guys, like, how in the world do two
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  Speaker 1: guys with such similar names live in the same city
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  Speaker 1: and are all the same? I guess we'll have to
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  Speaker 1: ask Dean this next time he's in studio. I do
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  Speaker 1: feel like I may know a little bit more than
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  Speaker 1: I can reveal right now. WHOA, that's not fair to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: And there are things that you and I both talked.
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  Speaker 1: Just say that you just can't say it's It's it's
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  Speaker 1: like saying, Hey, I have this really really deep stories
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  Speaker 1: that's really affected me. I just don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: into details that it makes no sense. Okay, give us something, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: give it. I don't know what it is. I'll deep you.
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  Speaker 1: If it's terrible, you would have to beat me. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing you mean, like, what how they were
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  Speaker 1: physical together? Yeah, yes, just say that I think it was.
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  Speaker 1: I would think it was. I can't say this. I
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  Speaker 1: can't do this to him. Well, here's the deal, here's
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  Speaker 1: what we do know. Okay, Okay, their relationship progressed. They
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  Speaker 1: were physical, They enjoy their each other's company, they traveled together,
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  Speaker 1: they visited friends and family. There was more to their
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  Speaker 1: relationship during that break than just two people trying to
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  Speaker 1: get to know each other. But they exactly. I guess
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  Speaker 1: if we can talk about anything, we can say that,
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  Speaker 1: like they had closed doors, and I think here in Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: you don't really have any doors. Good enough. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: were just relating to it because I think every girl
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  Speaker 1: feels like they don't know the right time to walk
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  Speaker 1: away from a situation that's hurting them. And we're all
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  Speaker 1: affected by you know, past relationships and stuff. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like Dan is so close office is hard to
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  Speaker 1: know where he's at. So it's like I know that's
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  Speaker 1: like not normally what happens that Paradise when everyone has
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  Speaker 1: two weeks to kind of go off on their own.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so interesting because we're like dying to know
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  Speaker 1: what happened off screen because we're like, they have this connection,
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  Speaker 1: but where did it come from? And why did you
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  Speaker 1: actuel like this? So I think it's interesting that they
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  Speaker 1: haven't made it such a point on the show. I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe that the producers weren't like, come on, Dean,
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  Speaker 1: spill the spill your guts. What happened? Right? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean so let me let us ask you too,
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  Speaker 1: because you obviously are fans of the show. You you
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  Speaker 1: probably watched the Bachelorette. Are you learning something more about
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  Speaker 1: Dean during this during Bachelor in Paradise than what you
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  Speaker 1: knew of him on the Bachelorette? And is it a
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  Speaker 1: shocked you? Is it disappointing or you actually do you
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  Speaker 1: agree with kind of his strategy of Hey, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fish in the sea, and there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them here in Paradise and let's date a little bit. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think that everyone kind of seems different from what
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  Speaker 1: I've seen when they're on the actual Bachelor Bachelorette from
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  Speaker 1: when they're on Paradise. I don't know why. Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Nick was a completely different person on Paradise than he
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  Speaker 1: was as a Bachelor, so um, but I think, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I love being like I
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  Speaker 1: think he's adorable, but I think he might just be
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  Speaker 1: a little immature and not know how to handle that
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  Speaker 1: because Christina was clearly really invested, and I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: definitely think we're seeing a different side of him. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think. I don't know if it's like bad. I
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  Speaker 1: just think he doesn't really maybe he hasn't been in
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  Speaker 1: the situation where he knows how to tell her that
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  Speaker 1: that's the harsh thing to say. I think we're here
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  Speaker 1: for like, you know, relationships. Yeah, Like it's I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more honest and realistic. When they're on
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor or the bachelorret everybody seeing and super ready
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  Speaker 1: for commitment and seems to bring out the most you know,
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  Speaker 1: cookie cutter version of themselves. But now that they have
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  Speaker 1: equal power in Paradise, Yeah, and there's no pressure of
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  Speaker 1: the engagement at the end. I think I think that
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  Speaker 1: that changes people a lot, Like you're not. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have to you know, propose or whatever. You know, pop
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  Speaker 1: we want that, but it's not like the Bachelor Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: at where it comes down to two people. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I could talk to you guys for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: and I think there's something very I think there's something
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  Speaker 1: very important that I should add about Dean. Is that
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  Speaker 1: like the first day that I met him, you know, us,
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  Speaker 1: in this very weird bachelor world, we get pretty intimate
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  Speaker 1: pretty quickly. Not physically, I'm talking about emotionally. So we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about just relationships and our past relationships, and
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  Speaker 1: he told me. I told him about how my other
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  Speaker 1: podcast we have a segment called ghosters or Ghostbusters, and
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  Speaker 1: how against the whole ghosting trend we are, and and
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  Speaker 1: Dean was like, honestly, I have to admit I am
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  Speaker 1: a ghoster. Like that's just kind of how I disent
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  Speaker 1: a great relation Chips. And I think his problem it
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  Speaker 1: has nothing that he wants to try his very very
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  Speaker 1: best to not hurt anyone. He feels so guilty and
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  Speaker 1: he just feels so bad breaking somebody's heart that he
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  Speaker 1: finds the easiest way out for both people is just
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  Speaker 1: kind of let it linger and fade out in the
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor world, that's not really a choice, and it seems
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  Speaker 1: to be something he hopes to happen with him and Christina,
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  Speaker 1: at least based on the episode we saw this week.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just it's just not how you can deal
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  Speaker 1: with things. He's just very sweet. This is Amy, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying he's just he's just sweet and he
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  Speaker 1: means well, he just doesn't he doesn't realize that what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing, by maybe having her cling to hope, is
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  Speaker 1: actually hurting her more. I'll give you the beautiful Thad. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you two little tidbits that we know about
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  Speaker 1: Dean and save your hate mail. I know y'all hate
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  Speaker 1: my voice. I don't care so anyway, So there's two
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  Speaker 1: little things we should say. So obviously I've admitted I'd
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  Speaker 1: known Dean well before he was on The Bachelor. I
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  Speaker 1: said to him, because he's obviously, you know, concerned, upset
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  Speaker 1: about how people are reacting. I said, well, the worst
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  Speaker 1: is over, and he said, no, it's not. So I
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  Speaker 1: should we should all prepare ourselves that it's going to
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  Speaker 1: get worse. But I think he's so kind hearted and
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  Speaker 1: sweet that he doesn't want to hurt anyone. My very
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  Speaker 1: important point, and you can discuss it, is that Christina
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  Speaker 1: would have gone out with Adam. She admitted she wanted
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  Speaker 1: him to ask her out. I just don't love the hypocrisy. Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing that I wanted to add before we even
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  Speaker 1: move on to our next caller is that whole comparison
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  Speaker 1: between me and Jared and Christina Indian. And I'm only
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  Speaker 1: bring this up because I then it's it's a reason
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  Speaker 1: that I feel so sympathetic towards Christina, but it's also
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  Speaker 1: a comparison I've been gotten all week long on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: in on Instagram. I don't want to draw complete direct comparisons.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to say that Christina and I are
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  Speaker 1: similar in the way that we keep holding onto hope
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  Speaker 1: um in in and even though there probably wasn't any
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  Speaker 1: hope to hold onto, and people will look at us
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  Speaker 1: and be like, girls, get over, pick yourself up and
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  Speaker 1: go on a date with another guy. Well, in my soul,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not wired like that. I cannot go on a
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  Speaker 1: date with another guy, like maybe somebody else is gonna
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  Speaker 1: walk down the stairs and like just leave you up
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  Speaker 1: your feet. I was like, Nope, not happening. This is
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  Speaker 1: this is who I want, This is my heart direction.
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  Speaker 1: It takes me forever to get over someone. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: totally in Christina's shoes. She can cry as much as
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  Speaker 1: she wants for the remainder of the season because that's
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  Speaker 1: how deeply she felt for him. And let's not shame
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  Speaker 1: her emotions or think that it's something that she could
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  Speaker 1: get over when she really just felt so for him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And actually I don't when when I laugh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm laughing because it's just Jared. The comparison between you
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  Speaker 1: and Jared gets bread up all the time. I can't
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  Speaker 1: imagine what Jared's doing if he's listening to this podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: definitely is gonna hate that. But you're right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we are dealing and it's always a reminder that we
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  Speaker 1: want to give us. You're dealing with real people's emotions,
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  Speaker 1: as entertaining as it always is, and it's as easy
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  Speaker 1: it is to watch and laugh and judge. These are
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  Speaker 1: real people who are really falling for each other, and
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  Speaker 1: even if it's in a consolidated environment in a quick
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  Speaker 1: period of time, we have to watch it as the
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  Speaker 1: viewer and say, okay, these tears are real tears. They're
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  Speaker 1: not actors, they're not actresses. They really are caring about
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  Speaker 1: each other, and so please give them that grace and
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  Speaker 1: and please give them the benefit of the doubt when
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  Speaker 1: they're confused because the person they care about is going
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  Speaker 1: on a date with somebody else. That's not fun, it's
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  Speaker 1: not easy. And luckily for all of us viewers out there,
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  Speaker 1: these people are willing to do it in front of
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  Speaker 1: us to entertain us and see if we can follow
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  Speaker 1: their experience. So I always remember that, um, and thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for calling you. We really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. And seriously, I I just I want
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  Speaker 1: to be clear that I know that Jared, we were
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  Speaker 1: never in a relationship, and just because somebody's feelings are
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  Speaker 1: one sided doesn't discredit their feelings either. You're exactly right. No,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're you're You're completely fair in that. And UM,
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  Speaker 1: now it's time to see what this plays out on
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  Speaker 1: Paradise this season. Do we have another caller? I would
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  Speaker 1: love to ask them about the hypocrisy that Amy was
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  Speaker 1: talking about a second ago. What exactly is their opinion
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  Speaker 1: on the on the idea that Dean couldn't go on
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  Speaker 1: a date, but Christina wanted to go on a date.
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  Speaker 1: Is that is she being a hypocrite or is she
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  Speaker 1: just trying to get over a guy that she really
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't as good as last week? Ben? Who the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: heck are you? Um? We have somebody that I hear
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: nothing but great things about. We have never gotten to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: meet in person. I hope one day I get to.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: She has made me laugh. Um, she I feel like
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: her and I could be great friends. We have Alexis
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: right now, Alexis, how you doing? Can we be honest? Alexis, like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: everybody knows who you are? Like, this is not a
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: perfect who the heck are you? You know who? I
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: don't understand who you are. I don't understand Dominique. I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: don't know who the actually is, but I know you. Alexis, Hey, guys,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: how do you do? Alexis? Welcome to the almost famous podcast?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I know I wish I was there in person, honestly, Alexis,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: where are you right now? Then? I'm in Jersey. I'm
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: back in Jersey for like a hot minute, and then
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I'd come back to l A. How tired of you
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: as across country flights? Oh my god, I'm over it already.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. I might, I might make the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: move to life too. And so it happens. I have
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: a question for you, and I know you probably saw
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: my tweet that really blew up the other day? Why
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: do you girls like you and I do very badly
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: in paradise? Like the bigger the personality, the better the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: sense of humor, the worst off we are there. I know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what happened. Honestly, I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: think I just I think I just kind of scared
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the voice. I'm just like, I feel like that friend
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: zones a lot of guys tho to story of my life.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I never just an issue of mine until recently. But
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Benzi actually friend zoned me. Tell us more No. I
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: think he was just like alexis I want you to
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: date my best friend, so you could be I could
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: be around you all the time. And I'm like, okay,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: whatever that means. So I guess I'm in the friend
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: zone of Benzy. That was like the first week. But
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: then we like after the whole shutdown, we t I
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: just like became like more of a family, and I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: kind of just saw the guys more as like brothers
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and like a family. I don't know, the tool sets
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: down kind of like threw me off. Okay, who did
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you have your eyes set on? Initially? Then, um, I
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: really like Benzi. I love Benza, but I don't know,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I just uh and me and Tomorrow kind of like
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: hit it off the first three days. So like then
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: you left, so it was like the story of my life.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: All the guys are just leaving that. Now I'm sitting here,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to Ashley. It's not I mean, I don't
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: get it either. I don't get why these guys aren't
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: just pursuing you like crazy because you are I mean personally,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I look at the friend zone as is maybe the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: biggest company. Yeah, the perfect gateway because because they care
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: about you, they like you. They're not just into you to,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you know, just to to have a one night stand
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: or just to you know, ghost you. They're in into
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you because they like you as a person. They want
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: to be friends with you. So that's a huge compliment
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to you. And I hear that often about you. Umle
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: just for the people that don't know, right, Ashley's friends
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: with you, she relates with you. UM tell us about yourself?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: How would how would the view how would our listeners
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: know you? What season were you on? Where are you from?
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And what did you do on your season? That's memory?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm solfing girl for life. I mean,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: but I own it. I had so much fun. I'm
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: from next season of the Bachelor, and then I I mean,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: i I'm just like, I can't every opportunity went on.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I had so much fun, Like I just I just
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: taught up fun. And if if I find love, that
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't, I can't swell
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: on it. Oh girl, let's talk about the pizza. And
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Danielle drop stated Wait is this during the Bachelor? Is
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: this during Bachelor in Paradise? Right? Danielle drops a piece
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of pizza like she dropped you to pizzas it was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: two pies. That was the most relatable thing that I've
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: seen on the show, well besides Christina so far this season.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Was just how emotionally disturbed you were by this scene.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I was so upset, Well, you don't You're like, don't
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: get who I am, and like you're just so hungry,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and it was just like so close yet so far away,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: like she almost made it and then I was and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: it takes so long to make the pizza there, so
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, I like, I can't even wait up
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: for another And it wasn't even just one like slice,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: it was two big pies. I found her carelessness to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: be disturbed. We're not exactly rooting for you right now, Danielle,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and you really just put the nail on your own
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: coffin there, So I was. I was so upset, Like
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I think that was the only time I cried in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: my entire Paradise history that leads us into it leads
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: me to the question, and we're just gonna get into
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: it here, because Alex, this is something I'm interested in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: now with you. So obviously you're you're a little bit
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: emotionally charged when Danielle dropped the pizza. And that wasn't
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: just because she dropped the pizzas. I know that those
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: those they were looking so nice to you at that time,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: but you also did it because you had an issue
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: on what was going on between Dean and Danielle and Christina. Um,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: so let's just get into it. You at this point
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: in Bachelor in Paradise and I don't know where it
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: plays out or how it plays out. You don't like Dean, right,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Let's just be honest about that. No, I didn't like
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Dean in the moment, Like I loved seeing overall, like
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I love Bean now, but in the moment, I was
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: just so frustrated and like my jersey came out of me.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I was like it was just so awkward, Like I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: was just so frustrated, and I knew that him and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Christina like spent a lot of time together, so it
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was like just it was awkward. Nominally to Christina, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: like I felt for her, it was for everyone else.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I was just so uncomfortable, and I was like piste
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: off and then I called him like all these names.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But that's just how I get expactly, I like, I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: get more frustrated when things happened to my friends and myself.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: That was just like the sign of a good person. Yeah.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And also, but I'm also frid with both Deal and Christina,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: so it was just like a whole awkward But I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: just like knew like what Christina was going through, So
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I was like senior a little dick. Okay, So two
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: questions for you. Were you asking Christina, hey, what happened
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: during the break that made him lose a little bit
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of interest? Wait? Say that again, I'm sorry. Did you
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: ask Dean? Did you ask Christina what could have happened
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: during the break that made him lose some interest in her? No?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I did. I think it was just the vibe like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: when they came back was all okay. I think they
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: just had like I think you just rushed into it
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: too fast, okay. And then secondly, when your friends, when
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you're friends with two girls and then there's one guy
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: involved with both of them. How do you juggle comforting
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: two of them? Oh my god, I literally went on
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to Paris. I swear it on I was like a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: therapist I had. But I'm friends with Sarah and Raven two,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: so I was like, this is awkward. And then I
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: had to do with Zulo and Christina, so I was like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I want love two guys, you know. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm just getting so many questions. Ben, do
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you have one before I interrupt again? No? Actually, I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: just like listening to two of you. So I'm gonna
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: sit back and just enjoy this moment. Sorry, Ben? Yeah, Okay, Wait,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: can we talk about Taylor and how insensitive she was
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: towards Lazy yesterday? Um, I wasn't really interesting episodes? Last
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: night was kind? Uh? Okay? Did you are saying? Did
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you did you watch last night's episode? Okay, and let's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: talk about Taylor in general. Then she just seems to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: not be very sensitive towards other people's feelings. Is this
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: some edit that she gets or is this really her? No?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I think I honestly on the first she like on
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: My Paradise, I mean my Fastlor's season was nick? I like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest fan of Taylor, But then I think
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: this in Paradise, I really got to know her on
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a different level, and I feel like she she like
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: does care. But I don't think her and Lacey. She
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: she's really cool to Dominique. That's why I think she
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: was just pushing Biggy onto him, I mean onto her. Okay,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that's some good insight. Can I get some more insight
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: from Alexis? There's something that's been on my mind for
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a long time. I don't get it. I don't understand it,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and I don't know why, but every time it's it's said,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: it makes me think there's some hidden meaning behind it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Um why in this world? Because I really don't know.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Is Danielle referred to as d Low because we had
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Danielle m on our season. It's just so funny. Also
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: how it's always like athlete. I then h like, why
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: does that even happen? But yeah, Danielle Um was on
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: our season, so like we just called Danielle Lombard, so
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Danielle and then see, well so her first initial and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: then just the two letters of her last name. So
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: there's no like, there really is no hitting me. I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: always thought there had to be something else behind this,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And I have one last question. Um, so Wells and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Danielle I'll kiss last night. So I freaked out? Okay, okay,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: so you didn't know, did I? It was just it
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: was a great moment. No, I was, and they didn't
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: telling me about Oh my gosh, we had no idea,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: so I had to watch it. Um, we did like this.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I was in l A last week and I watched
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: it as well as in a room and like with
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: like couple producers and he like, we watched that scene
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and he like did it like pality was so I like,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I was freaking out, like punching, and I was like,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: how did you not pass? Like that was the hottest
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: kiss that I've ever seen in my wife. It was
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a good kiss and the reason that I had feelings
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: for him for a long time. He's a really good kisser.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry. But also interesting that they've been friends
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: for a year and a half and then they decided
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to have that first kiss on camera. Interesting, you're genuine,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I know, And it was like hot, Yeah, you could tell.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I was watching last night and before we send you off, Alexis, Um,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I was watching last night and I could just tell
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: there's something about to happen, Like there was so much
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: tension and there were so many things going through and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I knew they were friends. I had no clue this
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: happened either, And I'm good friends with Wealth. I'm I'm
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: interested now to hear where their story plays out to um,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: but I kind of agree with you, Like there in
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of moments in this show that gets me
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: at my heart level right, that makes me like really
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: smile in like a genuine way and says, Wow, this
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: is I'm really happy for this moment, And that was
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: one of those moments for me, Like it just seemed
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: more real than anything I've seen on this show in
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: a long time. No, I was. I asked him like
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a thousand questions after it happened, so with him when
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: we were watching it, and I was like, we saw
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: are you guys that could camp? Now? Like what's going on?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Did you guys look up in Nashville? Like did you
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: touch on new groups? Like I was really, I was like,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: how could you keep this? How did you see this
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of it? I ended off with So he's the best
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I love him, So, yeah, it's interesting. Actually, he and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Danielle went on a date I think even before Wells
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: was ever on the Battelorette because they were part of
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the same friend group back in Nashville. So if you
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: want to hear all about that, UM, I have an
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: interview with Wells on my I don't get a podcast,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: so more in depth there. But thank you Alexis so much.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: You were very informative and you're just the coolest. And
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I think I share the same sentiment as the entire
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Bachelor nation when I say I think everybody wants to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: see more of you. Yeah, we want. Hey, make me
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a deal. You're going to come back on this podcast
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: at some point before Paradise is over, right, of course,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: but yes, I would love all three of us together
• 29:27
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• 29:33
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• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to Tori from Pennsylvania. Tori, Hi, Hi, Yeah, I hear
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you have some very strong feelings about Dean and Christina.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I do watching that the other night and my mom
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: was dying because I was just ranting off how irritated
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I felt about it. Um. Well, I love Christina. I
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: loved her when she was on next season. I feel
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like she's so real, and so I was excited when
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: her and Dean got together because I was like, oh,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: they can relate like with their tough upbringings and things
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: like that. Um, so I'm still excited when they got
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: together and then the whole filming stopped. Um, and when
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they came back, things just weren't the same, and I
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, trouble in Paradise times too. So
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: did you think that, um, she really wanted to go
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: on that date with Adam or was that just a
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: way of getting Dean back? I think it was a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: way of getting Dean back. I mean, who doesn't want
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to go on a date in Mexico? But I think, um,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: if she would have won, it would have been like
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: serving Dean his own medicine, you know, being like you're
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: gonna go on dates with other people? Who says I
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: can't do the same thing. I think you're always I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: think you're always curious to know other Going on that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: day is going to make them jealous and then make
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: them want you more, Yeah, or it could do the
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: complete opposite and completely break up the relationship. So I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: feel like for Christina was like kind of an out
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: either way, like out I go on a really great
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: day and leave Bean behind, or like out like Dean's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: going to realize what he's missing. I mean, vengeance is
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: never the way to approach relationship, right, I mean that's
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: kind of so if she is feeling that way, uh,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: doing anything to get back at Dean isn't gonna work
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: out well in the long run for either party. It's
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it's just gonna get confusing, or it's gonna pull Christina
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: in too many directions, or let's look at it this way.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Dean handled this situation correctly.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I don't. I think there's a lot to it that
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: we don't know that we didn't see. I think, um,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the way that he expressed himself wasn't clear. It wasn't
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the best way to end things. I don't know if
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he knows how to do that well. But he's a
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: good guy. We all know he has a good heart.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: He wants to do this appropriately. But she's not doing
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: anything better by then saying, hey, I go on a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: date with Adam if her intention was to get back
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: at Dean, because the only person hurting that is really Adam.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Like what if Adam were to fall for Christine in
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that moment and then he sits stopped? Look at the situation,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: say all I am is a rebound or all I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: am is is an object to which you want to
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: get to your goal, and that's not fair to Adam.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: So I don't think any person if that's how what
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: she was pursuing that date for, did this correctly? So true?
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I would agree with you. Yeah, And don't you feel
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: like I feel like Dean was like showing youth and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: just showing his how uncomfortable he was in hand and
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: juggling between two girls up until the cake. Would you
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: think about the half birthday cake? I don't know, Um,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: it was awkward, right, I don't know. I don't know
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: what soil finny? Alright, I feel like, do you want
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: me to talk about like Delo and Dean or sure?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: How do you feel like Dlo and Dean in the
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: constant giggling? Okay, the constant giggling. Danielle is so so beautiful.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I just feel like she's so like put together that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have like proper reactions to things, if that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: makes sense, Like she's too afraid to be silly and
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: like really let her guard down. And I get it,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: like it's that's a common thing. But a lot of
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: times I'm just like Danielle, just like be yourself and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: like it seems like everyone loves her. So I don't
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: know if it's just like being on camera or what.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But the constant giggling, I'm like, it's everything that funny
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: or just laugh a lot? Okay, Ben, do you think
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: it's cute and girls laugh a lot at you, like
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: with you on a date? Mm hmmm. I like to
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: think I'm really funny, so that makes sense. I make
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: really good jokes sometimes, So I hear that guys like
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the giggle, like, guys like it when girls laugh a
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: lot on dates. But I'm not gonna laugh at you
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: if I don't think you're funny. Yeah, I mean you're funny.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: It's often a nervous um twitch to right, like, so
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: when you get nervous or you're feeling awkward, like, laughing
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: is always a way to kind of subdue the situation.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So I understand why she would laugh, and maybe if
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: she gets more comfortable and she you know, we have
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to remember she's brand new to this experience. She just
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: got there, and so let's give her the benefit of
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: down and say in you know, in a few weeks,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: if she's still giggling after everything, Dean says, um, she
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: either is really in the Dean or she's just still
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable and that's not a great sign. So Hey, thank
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you so much for calling, and we we we got
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: to get to Casey and Delaware. Casey and Delaware, you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: got a great question and we cannot wait to hear it. Hi. Hey, Hello, Hi,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: how are you? Um? What's the question that you have
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: for me? What are your thoughts on Jane and Christina?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: My thoughts on Dana Christina is, first of all, I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: love Dean, So I've been cutting him a break this
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: whole time, and the only time I've finally was like, Okay, Dean,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you're gonna give your mind is um last night or
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: two nights ago whenever he brought out the cake for
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the half birthday. That's and I'm like, oh my gosh,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: she's making it really bad for Christina. So I think
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the problem with Christina is that Dean is someone who
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: gets away with like being wished you watched me and
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: just kind of like blowing off conversation. The Christina is
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: not firm enough with him, Like when he was on
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the season with Rachel, he even said like I need
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: someone who's going to push me to like kind of
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: open up and Christina is not pushing him, and I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: don't think she wants to push him because I think
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: her gut knows that she likes him more than he
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: likes her, obviously because he goes on this or he
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: goes on this other date with someone else. And so
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I think that the problem is is that Christina likes
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: him more than he likes her. And so unfortunately when
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: that happens, as the female in that situation, like she
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: should just get out of that because she's gonna be disappointed.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I know, easier said than on, but I completely or
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: garethe you when you say that she's probably not pushing
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: because in her soul she knows what the answer is
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: gonna be, right, I mean, so what's so? What? My
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: my question for you then is what is the appropriate
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: behavior for Christina? Then? Um? You know, we we understand
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: both parties have some type of feelings for each other.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: They've expressed that. And if even if she does like
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: him more than he likes her, what should she have done?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: What would have been the right thing to do? Um?
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I think in this situation it's paradise, So she can't
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: stop him from going on a date with someone else.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I think for her own sanity. I think she just
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: needs to say, look like, I'm done. I think you've
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: made your decision. If you wanted me as much as
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I want you, like, you wouldn't have went on this
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: other date. Um, So you go ahead, you do your
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: thing with Danielle, but I'm done. I'm going to be
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: open to new people that come in because that's the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: only thing that's going to get her like Overdean, even
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: though I mean it's obviously it's easier said than done
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: because she had stronger feelings, but it's one of those
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: things where her kind of being a being there like
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: that Dean knows that she's in his back pocket. Yeah,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: it's just so much easier so than done being in
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: that situation because people are like, oh, you know, go
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: on onother date like somebody else, Like, no, I need
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to recover from getting over this person the person yet
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're like, he doesn't compare, he doesn't compare.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So okay, So you have some great insight. I really
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: appreciate you answer my question there because I think you're
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: spot on right. I mean, such a hard situation for
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: so many people, and it's typically in life you aren't
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: exposed to having to date multiple people in in front
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of the person you just broke up with. So it's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: it's difficult, it's hard. And for Dean, now, I guess
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: my intrigue goes to a place of what's next, What's
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: how is he going to handle this situation correctly and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and choose to do something that is wise from here
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: on out? Because right now I don't think he's making
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: wise decisions. Um, so this will be I think a
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: season for him to grow and we'll get to watch that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: So Casey, thank you so much for your input. Um,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: we appreciate it. I love you both so much and
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: actually you speaks what every girl think. So I really
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: appreciate everything that. Yeah, I love it, so, thank you
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: so much. That means everything to me. Ashley is every
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: girl's girl. And hey, I hear that we have a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: guy on the line, John from d C. You have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: another d MP. John, You're protein. You're protein. Well, I mean,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I want to stay
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: on pro Dean. I just want to push back on
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the Dean slander I've been seeing on Twitter a little bit. Um,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I just think, I mean, I feel like Christina and
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: like lazy they're they're just taking Paradise a little bit
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: too seriously with everything. I feel like the places just
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: have fun and uh, I don't know, play the field.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I guess me new people. I feel like, I don't know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: like some people are just taking a little bit too seriously.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Hold up, hey, John, I'm gonna warn you right now.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You just you just opened up a can of worms,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna sit back. I'm gonna listen to you
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and Ashley battle this one out for a little bit
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: because you um disqualified Paradise and actually does not handle
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that very well. So actually get him, girl. I'm sorry.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I don't mean to disqualified Paradise. I just think in
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the first few, first few episodes, first few weeks, I
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: think it's just it's tind to mingle a little bit.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I definitely think parad is the place where you can
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: find love. Um, if you kind of want to just
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: play the field, you've been on the Bachelor, go ahead
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: and play the field in your hometown. Don't go on
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the show if you're just gonna mess around and just
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: break hearts in on the sand. Um. Okay, I think
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: they're I'm getting up the Dean isn't the best guy. No, no, No,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: he's a good guy. He's just ignorant to his actions
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: right now. He's just he's unaware of how he's by
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the hair. Yes, I agree with you. I agree with
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you on that he's definitely very physically attracted it now
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and he just wants to look at her for a while.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: But I think his heart is with Christina. This is
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: just my personal opinion. Um, Like, tell us about your
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: life a little bit. How old are you? Okay, Yeah,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that's why you think Paradise is a playground. Oh jeez,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that's just what it seems like. You know what here,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you know what you're so you bring up a great
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: point and one that I think people need to know about.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Everybody does the Bachelor, you know for the you know
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you do it for the right reasons, you have for
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: wrong reasons. Blah blah blah. I think we've talked about
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: on the podcast before. I think you did for many reasons.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And then when you're there you take it very seriously.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: All I can tell you is that going into Paradise
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you think of it even more lightly. You're like, I'm
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: gonna go hang out with all my friends. Is gonna
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: be so fun and then for some reason, you step
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: foot on that sand and everything's a big deal and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it's all about love and you want to be coupled
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: up immediately. And it's so funny because de Mario like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the person that you think would take it like only
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: for fame and only for fun. Said yesterday in his
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: interview with Chris Harrison. He goes, you know, I want
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: to have fun, and then within hours of being there,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, I can find my
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: wife here. It's just so funny the way your mind works.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I don't believe anything to Mario says okay, well believe me,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you know, just believe what I say. Okay, Okay, Hey John,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Man, I appreciate it. And uh
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and and you got some emotion to Ashley, which is
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: something that I always appreciate and our listeners appreciate too,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: So thanks man. Um. You know, I want to I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: want to close off this Dean and Christina conversation with
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: with one comment here. My comment is this is I
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: can see, as in Paradise, how the new and shiny
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: thing is the most attractive thing and the in the moment,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and so we have to then, as as fans of
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the show, wait and watch to see if if Dean,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: if this new shiny thing is in Danielle, the thing
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: that just that that she just came onto the beach,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: if that relationship plays out to be anything good, or
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: if his heart starts to turn back to Christina because
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: he realizes that the person that knows him best is
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the person that he always that he also likes the most.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: But I think it's something that we can all relate with.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: We can all relate in life with the new thing
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: seems to be the most attractive in the moment, but
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: over time we realize it's not the most fulfilling, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: we typically go back to the thing that knows us
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: best or the thing that we know best. So that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: is going to be a storyline that plays out for
• 44:26
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• 46:37
  Speaker 1: more with age? Uh? Yeah, I think so. My My
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  Speaker 1: my mom's very very spry young person, so with every birthday, though,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I do see her maybe enjoying a glass of wine
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. That's true. I want I wonder
• 46:52
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• 46:56
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  Speaker 1: want to run back. Then we we've talked a lot
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: about Dean and Christina, so let's not touch on it
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: as much as what we could because we keep going
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and going. There's a lot to it. I want to
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: see if we can just run down this week's episodes
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: of Bachelor in Paradise, because there's a lot that happened,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: including the tomorrow interview, UM that we all believe it
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: was gonna be juicy or do we all believe we
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: get some answers from and I want to hear UM
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: later on if you believe we got the answer we needed.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: But to start, But to start this conversation, UM, let's
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: talk about Raven. Raven is uh and I heard somebody
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: explaining her this this episode as probably the most desired
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: woman UM during this season in Paradise. And I want
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: to know what is it about Raven in your eyes
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that so many people are so attracted to? UM. I
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: would say it has to do with her sweet boys,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: her like demeanor, her very feminine Southern demeanor, Her body
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: is great, she seems to get along with everyone. Yeah,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I mean she does you know she does. I mean,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: she speaks. I think everybody kind of likes her, and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I watched these episodes and and she's friendly with everybody. Um,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't understand this part
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: of paradise. Actually, How does because I've never been ob
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: to be this person, I don't get away with anything.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I get in trouble for everything I do. I can
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: try to do the best thing, and I still get
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: in trouble for it. How does somebody go on so
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: many dates, three different dates, and not that she shouldn't
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: because it's the concept of the show, but that there's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: no repercussions because then and not to go back to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Dean because I don't want to go back to this.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: But then Dean goes on to a date with two
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: separate women and he's just complete ostracize, He's hated, he's
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: he's hate mailed, and Raven. Doesn't we say, oh, how
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: cute for Raven. She's just trying to find love, Isn't
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: That's so funny? It's very hypo critical. My only the
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: only thing I can think of to excuse that is
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: it just seems like Dean and Christina were initially far
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: more invested in each other than Raven has been with
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: any of these other guys. Raven doesn't seem to be
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like leading these guys on at all. She just is
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: making them seem like possible. On a date, kissed a girl.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Twelve minutes later, went on another date the first girl's bawling.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Good for Diggy, No, I think that was messed up.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I felt again for Lacy because I again have been
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the situation where I've come back from a date. Then
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: it's happened both of my seasons. I no, I was
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: mad at I thought I was lame of Welles to
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: do that. I think I think it depends on it
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: just you know what it comes down to. It just
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: depends on the person people, and that's not fair to me.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: It's not fair. It's not fair. But then why do
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you say that, What does that mean you make the
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: statement it depends on the person. There's has to be
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: something behind this, because this isn't just in paradise, this
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: isn't in life, right I've I've talked about and joked
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: about it many times with my friends. Is there's some
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: people that can get away with anything. Nobody ever gets
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: mad at that. Nobody ever gets frustrated with what is
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: it when you say it's just the person in your opinion,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: that makes it just the person. I can only speak
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: from experience. I'm thinking about last season. I won a
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: great date with Wells. Then he the next two days,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: he went on two more dates consecutively, and then I
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: was like, the oh, actually so desperate. Actually it's at home.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: She's upset that he's going on the days, but Wells,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: it is so hot. He's the bachelor in Paradise. But then,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like in this case, Dean goes on two days with
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: two super girls and he is just totally vialified. It
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. And I can only say it's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be a person by purpose, person basis. I mean,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: so let's let's let's make this about me for a second. Okay, Um,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: let's just imagine that I'm in Paradise, uh, and I
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: do a very similar thing that Raven did in in
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: reverse roles. I'm going on dates. Um, you you and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I both know, and I think we can admit to this.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: It would not go over easy with anybody. People be
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: very upset, especially especially viewers of the show. I think
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: you would see a lot of of questions and concerns
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and very similar what deans getting. If I did that,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I can just imagic because I've been. I just know
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: how people react to the decisions I make. What is
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: it about me actually, in your opinion that would make
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: people react that way? I think that they think you're
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy who has the decision making skills
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: to choose the one person that he likes the most
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and to stick it through. Well, I mean, but you're
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: in paradise, like I just got, and I'm we're just
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: spit ball here. This is all role play. But you're
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: in paradise, Okay, There's tons of people coming in and out.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: You just got to know these people there. Everybody's attractive,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: everybody's interesting. You all have common interests in common bonds.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: So why won't you explore it? Like, why do you
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: just choose to choose the stick stick it out with
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: the one person if you aren't feeling it? And I'm
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: all for exclusivity, like I monogamy is something that I
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: want and desire and think it's best. But when you
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: choose to put yourself in an environment we're dating multiple
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: people is the format and it is known widely known.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Why is it unacceptable to do that. I have no idea.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: It's a great question. I think that some people have
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: like the label loyal on them and then the other
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: people have the label fun and flirty. And I think
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: for you, you definitely had that stamp that says loyal. Yeah,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: and that's fair and that's what I want, you know.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I guess my argument there and we can move on
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: from this, is that there when we talk about loyal
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I believe you're loyal when you've made a commitment. And
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: if you haven't made that commitment, if you haven't openly
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: communicated with the person and say, hey, you and I
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: are going to try to stick this out, or you
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: and I are going to do this thing together into
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the moment that we can no longer do it, or
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: we just move on in life like maybe they date
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: forever off of it. Until you are openly discussing those
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: type of things, loyalty is it, You're still exploring, You're
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: still inquisitive about who's out there, and so, uh, my
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: definition of loyal to be until you've openly communicated and
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: made that decision, then it doesn't necessarily come to play.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: But that's just me. I mean, I haven't been to Paradise.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I have no clue how would handle it. I'm just
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: watching it as a viewer and I'm saying, how do
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: how does Diggie get away with this? How does ra
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: even get away with this? But yet some people are
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: just totally hated on for doing the same thing. It's
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: never made sense to me. I don't know if it
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: ever will, um Ben, I wish I had a better
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: answer for you. It's just it's something that's a little
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: mind boggling. It's something that I think we need to
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: talk to other people about, get like outside Bachelor Nation
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: point of views on Yeah. I mean, luckily we have
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: an email that people can email to, or as we
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: mentioned at the front of the podcast, we now have
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: a call line and you can leave a voice message.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: The number is eight three three two three six six
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: two seven four. We want to hear after you listen
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: to this podcast your opinion on this matter. Please leave
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: a wasteamil. We're not gonna be able to get to everybody,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: but actually are just trying to gain some insight, some
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: wisdom into this um. But we got to move on
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: to probably the biggest topic in the Bachelor franchise in years, right,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: We talked, We've talked, We've done interviews about it. Actually,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: you and I both have our opinions on it. We
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree on everything, but we at least know
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: where each other stands. This week, Chris Harrison did an
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: interview with The Mario to discuss the situation that went
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: down in Paradise between himself and Karine. Actually, you have
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: a unique perspective on this interview, and I want to
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on a couple of things. Was Demorrio authentic?
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Was he genuine and coming out of that interview? Now,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts towards a situation? Um, My biggest
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: bone to pick and last night's interview seems to be
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: that people are really um making this a de Mario
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: versus Karin debate, and it certainly isn't. I think everybody
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: needs to remind themselves that this whole controversy started because
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: somebody in the production in realm didn't feel comfortable with
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: what they saw or heard was going down. It had
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with Karin having a problem with Tomorrow
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: or Tomorrow having a problem with Karin. Yeah, I guess,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't know what necessarily say
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: this actually, but I think that was all true up
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: until the point where and Tomorrow spoke on it. Karin
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: said she was a victim. So if you're a victim,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: you're a victim to somebody or your victim to the show.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Is that what she meant? And this is a good
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: This is a good topic because I don't know if
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I have any clarity on this was Curren saying she
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: was a victim to to the production and the show
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: or she a victim to Tomorrow. I think we talked
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: about this last week. Karin certainly needs to clarify that statement. Um,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: did she mean tomorrow? Did she mean production? And I
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: think she will do that next week, so I think
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't even talk about that. Obviously. Tomorrow was very
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: emotional last night. Um, he seemed genuine. He definitely has
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: the support of his cast members, which means a lot
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Um Jasmine and Raven, we're obviously very emotional in the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: man's They just do not want their friends to be
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: seen in a poor light for like the rest of
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: his Google life. Yeah, I mean, and that makes sense, right.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, if as we talked about before, you and
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I still don't have a lot more information we did
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: months ago on the matter. We just wanted the truth
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: to come out. And that's what that's kind of how
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: we stand as as this podcast or as friends, as
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: we just want the truth to come out, and and
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: wherever the truth takes you, then we make that decision.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: And if the truth is that everything was dismissed based
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: on the investigation, then you hope that the Mario's name
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: is not ran through the mud forever, because that's really
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: unfortunate to him, right. I mean, last night, one of
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: the moments that really stuck out to me was when
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: he said he has just imagined a couple of times
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the fact that his kids will google his name and
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: this will be the first thing that comes up. That's hard,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and that's difficult, and and and people twenty years from
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: now I won't understand the situation like we do today. Right,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: They're only going to get these little brief synopsis is
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: and they're not going to see his whole media tour.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: He's done a great job this week about owing to
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: all these outlets and being super articulate and being very smart,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: seeming and well put together. The only thing I have
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to say about tomorrow and his speech is I wish
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: he would eliminate some of the curse words. It's like, dude,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: you know what I curse of fine amounts. You know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: you're just about to drop out in my real life,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: But when I'm on the podcast, when I'm on Access Hollywood, like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I never let it slip. It's just that's something you
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: can hold back, and for some reason he has no
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: desire to. Yeah, it kind of takes away from it.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: So I guess that's that's my next question for you then?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Is is he being genuine? Is he being authentic or um?
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know how it is, uh And we
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: talked about in the podcast a while back. I know
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: how it is when you do media tours right after
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: a while, you do have to become vague and you
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: do come deco, become desensitized to some of the things
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you're talking about because you talk about them over and
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: over and over and over again. So last night, when
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: you're watching this, we've gotten a lot of emails and
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: callers call in say they are wrying during tomorrow's interview.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: They were there emotional with him and for him, just
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: like Raven and Jasmine were. My question for you is
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: were you feeling that way? I don't know. I think, Um,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like I may be a little jaded in
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: the situation because I'm so in this, but I wasn't there,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm in this world.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I hear things, but I wasn't there, So I don't
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: know if I can determine how genuine he was I loved.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go with my gut and say
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that he has been greatly affected by this and it's
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: a really, really unfortunate situation that nobody had to go through.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: And I don't think he did anything wrong. Um, I
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: just I wasn't like moved tears in by any means
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: makes sense. He's an actor. He's also an actor. Whoa whoa,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: whoa wha. You just can't throw that out there. What
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: do you mean by that he has a past? Like
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: he called himself an actor. I think before Rachel see
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: in he has those TMZ videos with Britney Spears, Like,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: this guy has been dying to be famous, and I
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: think he's finally getting the attention and he's been craving. Yeah,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I doubt it's the attention that he would want to crave,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: but but he is getting attention and I mean, people
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: do know his name now, and unfortunately, as we talked
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: about many times, actually you know, I've talked about it
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: offline a lot is being famous is not fulfilling, but
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: it is a vacuum that sucks you in and sucks
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: you up and can suck you dry. And unfortunately, it
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: can completely change who you are as a person. And
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: hopefully I beg of Tomorrow if you listen to this,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: which who knows if he does or not, or any
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: of these people out there, any of our listeners, don't
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: let attention change you, or don't let attention change your
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: value system, because if you do, you're gonna end up
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: in a situation that twenty years from now you might
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: not like. And it seems maybe attractive at the moment,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: but long term it's not. It's not at all, Um
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the legacy you want to live. And I hope that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow now is speaking authentically that he is upset, that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: he just wants us to go away. Um, that the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: fame that's coming from this is not something he wants.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: And so it's interesting that you would that. I mean,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: that is something to think about. He he is an actor.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I saw that tmz R video that he did with
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Britney Spears. It does seem weird, doesn't it? And I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: don't know talking Okay, So he told Brittany in this interview, Um,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: He's like, Yo, Brittany, I'm gonna be star, Like, how
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: are you? Like, I'm gonna I'm going I'm gonna be
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: big in Hollywood. Like he really pumped himself up in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: this two thousand nine like uh TMZ catching Brittany getting
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: into her car video and yeah, let me clarify. Obviously
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: he didn't want the attention from this. I think that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: all of his words are genuine. Did I think he
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: hammed it up a bit? I think there's a chance.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to say that.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I think he was acting in that mark. You both
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: thought interested in what Karin has to say, you know
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: in the next episode. I wish you know what. I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: wish they taped this together. They taped this on the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: same day, within the same amount of hours. They didn't
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: get to watch each other. I would have loved to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: have Karine watched Tomorrio and then come back and rebuttal Um,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I'd like to have her respond directly to what she saw.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if anything. I guess maybe
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I'm for forgetting something, but I don't remember anything last night,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and Tomorrow said that she would necessarily need to rebuttal
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: with and so I'm interested in what Karin has said
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: because I do want her to explain the victim comment. Um.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I want to know more so that you know, if
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be a public matter, and this is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: going to be criticized and judged and talked about in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the public setting, then we shouldn't. I think people should know, um,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: why things were said or done the way they were done,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: who exactly she's frustrated with and that at and then
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: looking back on her experience. You know, Tomorrow was very
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: open about how much he cared for Karin, like how
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: much he still respected Karin. Um. I want to hear
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: if she feels that same way about Tomorrow. I want
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: to I want to hear if through this whole process,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: all she wanted was for this to kind of get
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: cleared up, um, and for nobody's name to be dragged
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: through the mud. I find it interesting they haven't spoken
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: since the incident, uh to Mario mentioned this, I think
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: last night, but he definitely mentioned it to me and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: my Access Hollywood interview, he said the ball is in
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: her court. Yeah, I don't get that. He I guess
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: he did reach out in that d M right. He
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: had said to her like, whoa, we broke Paradise. He
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: said that last night, and maybe that was him reaching
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: out and now he's waiting for a response. I don't know.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's definitely odd. Well, it's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: gonna play out and it's gonna be interesting. Um. I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: think this next week in our next podcast, we'renna have
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a lot more information after hearing from Karin um. But uh,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: it is a storyline that obviously has kind of um
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: sucked the bachelination in and after watching last night, it
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: does seem like Demorrow's confidence is a little shook. But
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: somebody's confidence wasn't shaken last night. I don't know if
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: anybody else saw this, um but but but Robbie, the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: guy with the hair where a suit last night during
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: this interview that is emotional and is intimate and is
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: a huge, huge topic that screams confidence. I mean, this
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: guy better be dating somebody after paradise because he's walking
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: on He's walking on water right now. I thought you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: were gonna say, not about his soup, but about the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: fact that Chris asked Raven how he was at kissing
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: and then Raven said, I plead the fifth and then
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Robbie was like, well, I think it was a great kiss. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, hey, he knows, he knows what he wants
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: and he's gonna say it. Um I I do. I mean,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: he's screaming confidence right now. So if he doesn't end up,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all kind of have an
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: idea that he ends up with somebody after Paradise. But
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't, then this will be very confusing for
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: me because he just seems very comfortable in his own skin.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Do you wear that pink suit? Uh? Amy? I Well,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: he had the shirt unbuttoned a little bit, and you
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: could tell like he had that like chest line that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: happens when people are really uh muscular showing. I don't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: have that, So I don't think I could rock it
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: the way he does, but yeah, i'd wear I mean,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's the next step, is I gotta start
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: expressing myself better through the clothes I'm wearing um because
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, sometimes I got some confidence.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I have got the talk about how funny Amanda was
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: when she rejected the kiss from Robbie. Um, she's like,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I just don't really know if I feel like, um,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: she having a kiss yet. And he is just like
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: sweating there looking like a Josh Murray too point now,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: you know, because like losing the cool physically, and then
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: he looks like an eighties pop star, like he looks
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: like Kenny Loggins to me with the beard Kenny Loggins. Yeah, Um,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, Yeah, she's she's she seems to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: attract these these sweaty guys and um, I mean what
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't what is it. They're shiny, maybe
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: they're they're they're literally the new shiny thing that comes
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: in the paradise that she's so attractive to Amanda so
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: undercover reel like she pre sends herself like this little barbie,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: you know, like the sweetest speaking boys who has never
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: said anything controversial. But then like she just says this
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: is the most authentic things, Like, you know, I'm not
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: really sure, you know, she's always true to herself. Yeah,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I mean I got to know that side of Amanda
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: during the Bachelor, and I guess I never pictured Amanda
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: as somebody that was um, this little like doesn't say
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: anything very PC type person because I never saw that,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: so maybe I just have a different perspective Amanda. She's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: always been very um open about what she's thinking and feeling.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: She can communicate herself very well, like I don't know
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: if you've seen that yet, but she's she's a great communicator.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: She's very clear and what she says um. But it's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: interesting and and I want to keep watching. But it's
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: interesting that a man has been so quiet this season
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: so far. I mean, she she is one of the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: most sought after women and but yet she she just
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: kind of keeps the back to the background. So will
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: be interesting if she kind of steps forward um during
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: the season Bachelor. Yeah, I just want I'm saying this
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: stuff because I want people to know the real Amanda,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: who doesn't always shine through on the show. Yeah. Well,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: maybe this isn't her arena, but who knows. Maybe she
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: ends up at the end of the season with somebody,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: um that she really cares about, and we can all
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: watch Amanda fall in love once again because I think
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: all of us would appreciate it and love it, because
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I think all of us do like Amanda for the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: woman she is, um and something else that we love,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: something else that we love for the thing it is
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: is movement watches. And actually I know that you love
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: yourself some movement watches. I see it on your Instagram.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: You aren't ashamed of them, so hey talk about them.
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  Speaker 1: I love movement watches because they're found out them to
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  Speaker 1: believe that styles shouldn't break the bank. They're very expensive
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  Speaker 1: looking watches that aren't that expensive. They're high fashion, high quality,
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  Speaker 1: but at revolutionarily low prices. So this company was actually
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  Speaker 1: started by two broke college kids and they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: wear stylus watches but couldn't afford them, so they started
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  Speaker 1: their own watch company. Um, these movement watches started just
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  Speaker 1: nine dollars. But at any department store, if you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at watches like these, that would probably cost you at
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  Speaker 1: least four hundred five bucks, four hundred or five hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's insane. So here's the deal. If you
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  Speaker 1: movement watches like as you said, Justine today today they're
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  Speaker 1: off with free shipping and free returns. All you gotta
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  Speaker 1: do is go to envy empty dot com slash almost famous.
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  Speaker 1: That's m v empt dot com slash almost famous by
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  Speaker 1: a watch Join the Movement, Ashley. Yeah, it is so
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  Speaker 1: good to talk to you again. It is so good
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  Speaker 1: to be able to sit down for two nights of
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  Speaker 1: my week and Bachelor in Paradise every time, and then hey,
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  Speaker 1: get to come in here and talk about it with
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  Speaker 1: all you lovely people out there. Yeah. But we'll be
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  Speaker 1: back next week and I'll tell you what I'm excited
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: about it. We're gonna see Karin. We're gonna talk about
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: the Dean ruined his chances chances to be the Bachelor.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: And then a question that I'm wondering, Um, and I'm
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: extremely interesting because I have no insight into it. Who
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: is going to be the Bachelor? Could it be somebody
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: that we don't know yet, could it be somebody from
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: way long ago. It's not gonna be me. You guys
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: going to be no idea. How much of my week
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: has been dedicated to the speculation of who's going to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: be the next Bachelor. Uh. People are just very very
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: confused because it just seems like, well, it seems like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Peter is not in the running anymore, and you're basically
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: said no, but we basically has said no, and Dean
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: is maybe screwing his chances on Paradise. So and you know,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: as you've heard it here on the Almost podcast, Ben
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: is not doing it this season. So good luck Bachelor
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: casting producers. UM, you guys, We're going to answer more
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: reader emails next week because I'm looking at them right
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: now and they are juicy. Um. But until then, you're
• 1:09:26
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• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: to wait and look at your your app, um, your
• 1:09:32
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• 1:09:34
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• 1:09:37
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• 1:09:40
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• 1:09:42
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• 1:09:44
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