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Mental Health Expert: "I Can't Keep This Inside Any Longer..." · None of Your Business Podcast

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  That any school that throws a child out without making sure
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  they have a proper place to go, meaning there are going to be
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  circumstances that is high of Mesa they've committed murder.
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  None of your business, Oshi. None of your business, Michael.
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  It's the None of Your Business podcast hosted by Michael and
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  Oshi. Welcome back everybody to
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  another fantastic episode of the None of Your Business Podcast.
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  Please don't forget to like, subscribe, comment.
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  We really appreciate all the feedback, Oshie, before I get
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  into that, I just want to mention thank you again to prime
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  source to Serenity Center in Rockland County, which we'll get
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  into during a little break that we take now in the middle.
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  We've been getting some decent comments.
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  Oshie, anything that has been standing out to you?
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  Yeah, I've been getting a lot of feedback out of nowhere,
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  randomly I have to add people that I haven't spoken to in
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  years, they feel the need to reach out.
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  Hey, I just want you to know I'm listening to the podcast and I
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  appreciate it. You know, it's a good feeling.
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  But one in particular recently he reached out to me and he made
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  some some positive comments, which I appreciated.
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  And he gave me extra some good advice.
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  And I think we're going to have to incorporate it into our
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  podcast. I'm not going to say right now
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  what it is. We'll talk offline, but I think
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  he's on to something and I hope more people do it.
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  It helps us. Yeah, we definitely appreciate
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  it. Thank you very much.
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  Today I'm very excited because we're here with the venerable.
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  Overuse that word. I've never used it before.
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  I told Michael the word venerable and he hasn't stopped
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  using. It it's my first.
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  Time second one second. You need to understand our
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  upbringing. Exactly.
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  Thank you. We grew up in, you know, the
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  yeshiva system that we went to. Venerable wasn't a word.
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  It wasn't a word. It wasn't a word, but I've
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  learned since then that you are venerable.
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  You're more than that, guys. We're here together with the
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  founder and the creator of Amudim.
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  But more than that, the person that is the other number other
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  than 911, which we'll get into in a couple of minutes, it's V
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  Gluck. It's V.
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  Thank you so much for joining us today.
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  You know, I'm just going to jump right into it and ask you to
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  just give yourself an introduction for the people that
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  potentially don't know you. Get to know me.
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  I grew up in Borough Park. Yep, you know, I think you know
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  that part. Well, we know each other since
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  we're like teenagers, so yeah. Younger than teenagers, Yeah.
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  Right before bar mitzvah, actually.
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  That's true. You want to be technical about
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  it? I grew up in a house, for lack
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  of a better word, that was filled with Khasset.
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  My father, may he live and be well.
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  Rabbi Edgar Glock. Rebec Heimbor Glock is just my
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  hero, many of ours heroes but mine for sure.
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  But I will say that growing up I resented a lot of his public
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  service and I vowed to never get into public service.
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  Just going to say that and put it out there.
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  I then decided that you know, after going through 4 elementary
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  schools, that wasn't enough. I then started my high school
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  career and I I had this assumption that I would have
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  more boys and girls. So I wanted to really know,
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  like, where do I want to send them to school?
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  So I, I went to 14 high schools, you know, trying them all out.
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  My father likes to say that it was management issues.
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  They thought they were in charge.
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  I thought I was in charge. It just didn't work out very
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  well. Is that a real #14?
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  That is a real. You beat me by a couple, by the
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  way. That is.
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  Congratulations. I'm just curious.
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  Look, by the time you got to the 10th place, they didn't like
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  question you like what are you doing?
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  Why you even take an interview here?
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  You were, you were in 10 places like what's different now?
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  So. Interesting.
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  So first I'll tell you, being Rabbi Glock's son got me in to
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  all those schools, didn't keep me there.
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  I will tell you the irony is that consistently when I got
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  thrown out of schools, I didn't get thrown out of all of them.
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  Some of them I left on my own, but the bulk of them I got
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  tossed out. It was always, always, and I say
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  this thing the night before I was thrown out is was
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  consistently the night that I said to myself, that's it.
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  I'm going to go to Chakras on time tomorrow.
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  I'm going to be good. I'm going to do what needs to be
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  done. I think that's what did it
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  though. I think they saw me at Chakras
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  and they're like, oh wait, we know him.
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  We've been trying to throw him out.
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  We haven't seen him in like months.
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  That's our chance. But I it was interesting because
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  I always enjoyed learning. I love learning, learning
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  anything meaning topics. I just really, I wasn't the most
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  studious child, but I loved learning, so I loved that part
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  of school. I hated rules.
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  I thought most of them just made no sense.
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  And then I ended up in my my final high school, which didn't
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  throw me out. There's actually a cute story to
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  that. What was it you can you?
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  Can cut it out after if you choose not to, but it's a no.
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  No, no, we don't cut out anything I went to.
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  Go for it. I went to Rabbi Radinsky.
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  Oh, and in Muncie, In Muncie. Maybe we will cut that.
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  Anyway, and there was an interesting situation where many
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  of the Hanhala got together with him and basically said it's
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  either him or us. Oh.
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  God. Wow, you were getting everybody
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  welled up. I think at that point they, they
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  had a good, they had a good point.
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  I I will say I had done something and it was actually
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  published in the local newspaper and it was listed as the fact
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  that I was in Rabbi Raddinsky's school, both by the name or
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  Ruvain and Rabbi Raddinsky like it it.
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  Yeah. I mean, it was a good reason.
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  They they definitely had good reason for that.
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  Really took a liking to me and in ways that just didn't make
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  sense at the time. And then I'm going to Fast
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  forward many years later, I heard that he had actually had a
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  meeting with a lot of these Rabam again, meaning they were
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  in the office. And he said, I'm just curious by
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  a raise of hands, how many of you have Colt Sieg luck for a
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  favor in the last 10 years? And he said without fail, each
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  one raised their hands and said they did.
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  And he said, I saw something in him then that would change
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  Claudia's role. And I wasn't willing to give up
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  on that. So I asked him straight up.
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  I said, I'm just curious. Like, what did you see?
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  Like nobody else saw it. I certainly didn't see it.
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  I also had promised never to do anything for anybody else
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  growing up in the house. I grew up.
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  And I just, you know, And he said, I saw one thing.
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  He goes, you did all of your svisms, whatever you wanted to
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  do, it didn't matter. But you never took anybody down
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  with you. So when a person is careful not
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  to drag anyone else down because they want to have fun, but they
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  don't want it to affect other people, that's a character trait
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  that goes a long way and has a big future.
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  Now, you didn't drag any of your friends into your escapades,
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  correct? You basically.
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  Had other friends. You had your separate crew and.
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  My Escapade crew. And then you had the regular
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  crew around you. You kept them out of your
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  correct, out of your surroundings.
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  Correct. And he appreciated that.
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  Now, I'm going to be honest, I we didn't do it consciously.
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  It was more like, I just don't want these guys knowing my life.
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  It was strategic. I mean it completely.
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  It worked to your benefit. But it worked to my benefit.
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  Yeah, and he came up with a new verb also.
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  That could very well be what he told you that he saw in you, and
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  maybe he had other reasons. I'm sure at the time different
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  things were going through his head, but either way, he was
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  right. So who cares what the process
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  was or why? Certainly the result is all that
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  matters. Escapade friends are dead and
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  I'm alive, so the result speaks for itself just on that aspect
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  alone. But I will tell you and I've
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  said this before and I'll say it again, that in my opinion, well
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  not my opinion, it's in the opinion of the original Bubba,
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  the Rebbe, the Khazanish says this.
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  Reb Moshe had a comment about this as well, that any school
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  that throws a child out with out making sure they have a proper
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  place to go, meaning there are going to be circumstances.
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  That is high of Misa. They've committed murder, and I
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  will say that as someone who has been on that side of the coin.
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  That's very harsh. It is very harsh, but it's very
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  true. And it happens all the time.
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  It does. It does and that is a big issue
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  that I have and you know, at the end of the day, schools have
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  become. So you're, you're doing so much
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  for for the community and at large.
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  Give me something that you're proud of recently that you've
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  done. So you say I've done it.
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  Let me just make this very clear.
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  Without the proper support, without the board of directors,
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  without my family, without. Well, we're donors, so we did it
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  too. I guess you did it too, but
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  you're welcome. This is not me and I, I, I
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  understand very wholeheartedly because my ego is big enough.
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  I don't need it to get any bigger, right?
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  Recently. So about in April, right before
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  Pesach, literally like a week before Pesach, we had a
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  situation we're dealing with where a person who was in the
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  middle of mental health treatment turned out was having
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  a, an inappropriate sexual based relationship with their mental
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  health professional, their therapist.
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  And when they realized what it was, I'm sorry, let me put my
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  phone on. It's OK, you're the only one
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  that can take. Calls.
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  No, but still we'll try to. Avoid Your story matters.
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  Let's talk is the slogan for our newest sponsor, the Serenity
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  Center, which is a clinic for therapy and many other types of
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  services that people need for mental health challenges.
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  And I have to tell you that I did not want them to be a
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  sponsor of ours until I tested them myself.
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  And I sat down as a session paid by my insurance with the leader,
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  Mordecai Weinberger. This person who has a radio
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  show, he has live Zoom conferences with hundreds of
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  thousands of people tuning in every single week.
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  The reason why they do is because he is amazing.
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  I sat with him for over an hour and I got the most out of it.
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  And let me tell you, I did a lot of talking, he did a lot of
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  listening. And I learned that the Serenity
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  Center is a clinic that provides a service for therapy that's led
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  and supervised by Mordechai Weinberger.
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  And I see why they're so successful.
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  And it's just something that, you know, we need to mention
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  more of. And I want the community of
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  Rockland County and even beyond to know that if you need
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  therapy, don't wait and push it off because it might be too
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  expensive or you may not be aware of the perfect therapist.
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  Go to Serenity center, try them out.
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  Insurance will most likely cover most if not all the charges and
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  you will get top level service. Sounds like a no brainer to me.
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  So someone, a woman, was seeing a therapist, a girl was seeing
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  a. Therapist and this therapist got
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  this girl to have very inappropriate behaviors and
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  acts. And when the girl went to make a
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  police report, which is, you know, she had come to us and
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  discussed it. And I said, listen, this is a
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  licensed professional. This this is a person who you
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  talk about it in Rd. a place is like a classic like you have
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  access and people will side with them.
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  The police came back with the DA's office and said we have no
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  case because this person was licensed as a licensed marriage
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  and family therapist in LMFT and they are not in the law.
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  It does not specify that that category Is it that it's a
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  criminal act? It's basically 2 consenting
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  adults as far as we're concerned because there was no forcible
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  actions or, and I, I was like, that's impossible.
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  That just doesn't make sense. First of all, it's a New York
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  State licensure. Like it just didn't matter.
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  Like how can you say that? And then we found out that the
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  other category was licensed mental health counselors, LMHCS
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  also, we're not under this. I, I took that information.
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  It was 11:00 at night and I, I woke up my friend and neighbor,
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  Sam Berger, who had just become an assembly member.
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  And I said, Sam, we got to do something.
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  This is, this is unreal. And he was also surprised.
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  And he actually reached out to some colleagues over the next
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  few days and said, this is crazy.
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  We this is and everybody agreed, you know, that this didn't make
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  sense, but I. Was I have to stop?
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  It was I apologize? I'm a little confused.
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  OK, this is not an underage girl, right?
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  No, this is overrated. If they if somebody goes to a
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  doctor, somebody sees a psychologist, sure, right.
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  Then there's a rule that you can't have a relationship with
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  that person until six months after therapy.
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  You're not allowed to get into a relationship.
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  It's not about employer employee, no.
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  No, this is. That's a mental health
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  relationship 100 job is to help them if they're very vulnerable.
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  So we're excluding you very carefully that you're the type
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  of person. Do not get into relation.
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  You're saying they have legal and they're saying they have
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  that rule. I was saying that why is she
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  and. It wasn't grounds, it was
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  illegal. Sensual between the two of them,
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  but we were saying is that no, she should be able to file a
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  police report because even though it was consensual, this
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  is inappropriate behavior. Considering that you're supposed
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  to mentor me or or, you know, help me heal, this was uncalled.
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  For but consensual is also a Gray area when it comes to you.
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  Don't want a certain power that the therapist has exactly right
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  of. Authority.
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  It's not. When we say consensual from the
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  eyes of the law, it was considered consensual because it
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  was two adults. Yeah, but if this therapist
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  would have had a, you know, licensed social work degree,
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  right, then it would have been illegal because it was already
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  illegal. There was a criminal statute on
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  the books. It just didn't include these two
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  categories. It was a technicality.
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  It was a technicality, technicality that unfortunately,
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  you know, caused somebody tremendous damage and harm and
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  I'm sure many others. Long story short, this is also
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  in a time period when New York as a state is busy
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  decriminalizing everything, not criminalizing anything.
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  So Sam Burger and, and Assemblymember Fernandez, I
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  think is his name. Look it up, really rallied the
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  support and got both sides of the aisle and got a unanimous
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  vote, both the Assembly and the Senate.
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  New York State, no Assembly was unanimous.
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  Senate was -1 because that person was out for the day.
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  But like, everybody voted this into law and he did it in six
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  weeks because the Senate and the Assembly was going into break.
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  So you have to get this done because if you don't, you have
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  to wait a whole other year. And I just got the call today
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  that the governor had signed it into law like the last week of
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  December, which was like, literally like she waited like
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  till the last second, I guess, to sign many laws.
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  I'm saying there's a lot of laws have to be signed in.
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  And he said he'd like us to come tomorrow to his office.
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  He wants to present us with the actual printed copy of the law,
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  with the actual pen that the governor signed it into law
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  with. And this law is actually called
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  Get those law, which is also interesting because, you know,
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  people were saying, well, maybe you shouldn't use like a from
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  name. People will put it to, you know,
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  realize it. And actually the Robin Queens
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  Rabbi Welcher of Herschel Welcher, who's a very, very well
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  known rabbinic authority, said, no, absolutely you do it because
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  at the end of the day, the Jewish community is not looking
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  to cover up or to not protect. You know, that's the the wrap
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  that we get, which unfortunately is well deserved in many
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  instances. I'm not going to say it's not,
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  but the overwhelming majority is not.
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  That's not who it is. And he goes, no, we're going to
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  show the world that this was get all the same way.
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  Sammy's law, other laws come in with the name.
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  So we did that and now we actually have a work cut out for
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  us because we're actually looking to expand the law now,
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  which is going to be a little bit of a battle because now
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  we're trying to make it more to like any licensed practitioner.
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  Like it shouldn't be limited because there's, I mean, really
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  in a perfect world, I would also go for the unlicensed ones,
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  which makes it even worse. You know, the life coaches and
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  the, you know, all the other, you know, components that maybe
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  serve a purpose in some areas and I'm sure do wonderful
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  things, but they're not bound by any.
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  Legalities In order to be a life coach, you don't have to be
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  licensed for anything, correct? You just have to call yourself a
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  coach, right? You don't even have to be
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  trained like you could do a coaching course so.
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  So to be clear, this law is applicable for anybody that
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  practices any sort of element revolving around mental health,
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  right? Like this is not about a
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  chiropractor. Like somebody goes to see a
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  chiropractor. Chiropractor is in the law.
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  It is. It was in the law before, yes.
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  So if a if a patient or woman sees a chiropractor or a male
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  and they get into a relationship three months later, that's
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  illegal, he can get in trouble. A chiropractor, yes.
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  A medical physician, yes. A psychologist, yes.
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  A licensed mental health practitioner, yes.
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  Other licenses do not fall under that law, whether it's
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  Department of Education licenses, you know, in, in other
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  areas of physical therapists, you know, respiratory, I mean,
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  there's a lot of. The kind of concept seems simple
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  to me at least. It's a vulnerable position.
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  That's what it is. Who is putting themselves in a
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  vulnerable position? Where's the vulnerability with
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  the chiropractor? When you're touching them, you
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  touch everywhere. A lot of inappropriate touching
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  can. Be coming from OK, it's not like
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  an emotional thing. That's because you know you're
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  physically touching and therefore you know.
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  Which also makes it harder to make a claim.
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  What do you mean he touched me inappropriately?
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  No, I didn't. I was doing my work.
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  So we want to make it very black and white, just stay away
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  entirely so we don't get into Gray areas.
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  Correct. Interesting.
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  I wasn't even aware that there's a law like this that's out
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  there. That's, I mean, I'm sure there's
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  many laws that we're not aware of.
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  Usually we don't want to ever be aware of them because usually if
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  we find out about the laws, it's because somebody we know or love
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  ended up on the wrong side of it.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  So if you don't mind me asking, if you go back up, what the heck
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  is that Mudin? Like, tell me about that.
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  I, I don't know anything about it.
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  I've heard of it. I've heard rumblings about it.
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  I've heard the name Svi Gluck many, many times.
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  I know you're an incredible person just based on your
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  reputation, but I don't know the details and I'd, I'd love to
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  learn. So tell me a little bit about
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  that. And by the way, Michael, he was
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  like telling us about, you know, high school.
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  He got thrown out like naturally for me.
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  The 1st next question would have been, so when did you turn it
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  all around? Like when did you like how did
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  you get back on your feet? Like let's start from that, but
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  you jumped right away to what did you do last week?
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  We skipped like 40 years in between.
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  But tell me about how I moved them.
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  Curious to hear about how that what that is. 1st I moved them,
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  but first how I turned it around whichever.
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  You first, I moved them first like at the basics and then
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  let's go back to the beginning, so.
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  The elevator pitch is really crisis intervention and
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  management. Let's just use that as a very
• 17:58
  simple terminology, primarily in the field of mental health with
• 18:02
  a focus on sexual abuse, addiction, and I would say, you
• 18:06
  know, eating disorders, suicidality, you know, things of
• 18:09
  that type of nature as opposed to dealing with like anxiety,
• 18:14
  depression, you know, OCD type of nature.
• 18:17
  Not that we don't have people that reach out for help with
• 18:19
  that and we don't turn people away, but the main focus of
• 18:21
  Amuddin was initially to destigmatize sexual abuse within
• 18:24
  the Orthodox community. Just take away the shame.
• 18:28
  It happens. It's here.
• 18:29
  We're pulling out the rug. There's no more and under the
• 18:33
  rug and we're going to do it. And from there, it turned into
• 18:35
  very, you know, very quickly into case management, which
• 18:39
  means people were not reaching out saying, Oh my God, you're
• 18:41
  talking about sexual abuse. I need help with this.
• 18:43
  I need help with that. And then it became like, OK, now
• 18:45
  what? And we ended up hiring staff to
• 18:48
  manage the cases. We then transferred that into
• 18:52
  social workers and licensed mental health professionals,
• 18:55
  even though it cost a lot more money to have a case manager
• 18:58
  that's a clinician versus a non clinician.
• 19:00
  But we found that the impact was far greater people that number
• 19:05
  one, there was a certain amount of, you know, respect that was
• 19:07
  commanded automatically when parents are speaking to a
• 19:09
  professional, it's a different ball game.
• 19:12
  And the management piece is really where what sets us apart,
• 19:15
  which is it's not just about hearing someone's story and
• 19:19
  sending them to a therapist. It's also speaking to the
• 19:21
  therapist every week, speaking to the client every week, at
• 19:25
  least for the first few months, then it can slow down a bit.
• 19:28
  But the concept is that we're managing the care.
• 19:31
  The managing the care doesn't stop at mental health.
• 19:34
  It's the primary breadwinner is going into rehab.
• 19:37
  Someone's got to deal with that school.
• 19:39
  Someone's got to deal with tuition, Someone's got to deal
• 19:41
  with, you know, how we can help you with groceries or things of
• 19:44
  that nature. So again, thank God, I will say
• 19:48
  this, that the bulk of those types of situations, we have
• 19:53
  gotten tremendous benefit. The schools have waived tuition
• 19:56
  for a few months. We've gotten local grocery
• 19:58
  stores in the local neighborhoods to sponsor food,
• 20:01
  always in a very, you know, respectful way.
• 20:04
  You know, we're trying because one of the things people have to
• 20:06
  remember, especially when it's the primary breadwinner, just to
• 20:09
  shift for a second, is if they come home from treatment and the
• 20:12
  first thing the wife says is, I can't believe it.
• 20:14
  While you were gone, we we couldn't buy food and we
• 20:16
  couldn't get the kids. This that whole treatment just
• 20:18
  became worthless, became worthless.
• 20:20
  So it's actually a part of the treatment.
• 20:21
  It's not just. A nice thing, it's a necessary
• 20:25
  thing. So case management really means
• 20:27
  that the staff are embedding themselves into every part of
• 20:32
  aspect of what that family needs to help them get through this.
• 20:35
  You're dealing with this holistically, you're not just
• 20:37
  dealing with the one part of it. You're correct covering
• 20:40
  everything else so nothing else falls apart while this is being
• 20:43
  managed. And the trick is this started
• 20:46
  long before COVID. We were doing this remote,
• 20:48
  meaning the staff works in offices, but we were doing it
• 20:50
  remote. The clients do did not have to
• 20:52
  come, do not have to come to meet us.
• 20:54
  They don't have to know who we quote UN quote really are taking
• 20:58
  away that embarrassment level right.
• 21:00
  Somebody calls it's. Discreet.
• 21:02
  It's discreet. It's discreet on those sides as
• 21:04
  well. Now, it doesn't mean they don't
• 21:05
  get to know their case managers and they don't clients very
• 21:08
  well. They do and thank God.
• 21:09
  You know, we get calls when there's a simple, when something
• 21:11
  good happens, when there's a graduation, etcetera, etcetera.
• 21:14
  But the concept is when somebody calls, they feel much more
• 21:17
  comfortable because even though they're sharing everything,
• 21:20
  they're not exposing themselves to who you know, to this other
• 21:23
  person. So that's really what sets it
• 21:25
  apart and what really makes you know the difference.
• 21:28
  And we grew from there. We then opened up an office in
• 21:30
  Israel in 2018. We started in 20/14/2018 in
• 21:33
  Israel was initially designed. I got to say, first of all,
• 21:37
  understand the concept is that it wasn't.
• 21:39
  I didn't wake up one day. I want to do this.
• 21:41
  I just want to make that very clear.
• 21:43
  I had a very good life before I moved him.
• 21:46
  When did I moved him start 20? 14 I, I had everything going for
• 21:50
  me. I was working for laser Shiner
• 21:52
  at the time, Laser and and Felix Shine as well and and that the
• 21:56
  kufa that was working for them. Laser took me under his wing,
• 22:00
  more like a father than an employer.
• 22:03
  Basically threw me out of the office and got me in office
• 22:07
  someplace else and said you're too busy saving lives.
• 22:10
  That's what you need to be doing.
• 22:11
  That's your full time gig. I'm just going to support you
• 22:14
  and you do what you got to do and things were really going
• 22:17
  well. I got to say, you know I.
• 22:19
  So while you're working for laser.
• 22:20
  Wasn't working. Laser hired me to help people.
• 22:22
  He just then threw me out of his office.
• 22:23
  Saying, oh, that's what he hired.
• 22:25
  He hired, Laser hired you. I thought you meant he hired for
• 22:27
  his business. For the purpose of being able to
• 22:29
  help other people, he said. I see the work you're doing.
• 22:31
  You're out of work. You need to do this full time.
• 22:33
  Stop trying to make a living. So you were doing this prior to
• 22:35
  2014 I. Was doing this work since I'm 20
• 22:39
  years old. Since Robert Radinsky accepted
• 22:41
  you well, I. Mean.
• 22:42
  That's. So let's jump back to that.
• 22:43
  I would say let's jump back to that.
• 22:44
  But it sounds like there's a sequence here.
• 22:46
  Yeah. And you started this very early
• 22:47
  on. So you're now 1617 and Robert
• 22:49
  Radinsky's yeshiva. You've been in 14 places.
• 22:52
  Everybody doesn't want to have any part of you.
• 22:55
  Everybody's throwing you out. You're all over the place.
• 22:57
  Your parents must be shopping tons and tons of knockouts at
• 22:59
  that point. Oh, they are.
• 23:00
  Yeah. How they are I guys?
• 23:02
  Just shows for all those parents out there, like there's hope for
• 23:04
  everybody. There is everybody relax all the
• 23:06
  time. Relax is hope.
• 23:07
  Yeah. Patience.
• 23:08
  Exactly. A lot.
• 23:09
  Of patience. A lot of patience.
• 23:10
  A lot of aggravation. So at that moment you're you
• 23:12
  finished Radinsky and credit to him, by the way, he's an amazing
• 23:15
  guy. He he really gets it.
• 23:16
  Like he believed in you and kept you around.
• 23:19
  What happens next? So at that point, people were
• 23:21
  going to Israel. I, I didn't even feel right even
• 23:24
  thinking about going to Israel because it was like I knew I
• 23:26
  wasn't going to do anything there.
• 23:29
  So I joined the workforce. I got into the clothing
• 23:33
  industry. A good friend of mine was
• 23:34
  manufacturing men's dress shirts in Palermo, Italy.
• 23:38
  I also was doing a little bit of not day trading, but I was
• 23:41
  executing day trades for a trader, meaning I have to like
• 23:44
  sit at his computer and he would tell me what to do.
• 23:47
  You started working started. Working you have to make a
• 23:49
  living were. You living at home at the time.
• 23:51
  Was I, I was not living at home at the time.
• 23:53
  OK I I my relationship with my parents when I was 16 1/2 I
• 24:02
  well, I decided to commit what we like to call credit card
• 24:07
  fraud. I basically knew my parents
• 24:09
  information. I ordered a credit card under
• 24:11
  their names with myself as a second card holder, but the
• 24:14
  second card holder name matched the I DS I had at the time.
• 24:19
  So I was renting cars and doing all sorts of things.
• 24:23
  I, I totally forgot that like there's a bill that comes and if
• 24:26
  you don't pay it, they go after people and my my mother made a
• 24:31
  decision that for many years strained our relationship of
• 24:36
  having me arrested for doing this and my father being who he
• 24:42
  was. It turns out that a lot of it
• 24:44
  was pre set up and they knew, you know there was an undercover
• 24:48
  cop with me at all times. From the second I got arrested
• 24:51
  through central booking into Rikers, they nobody posted bail
• 24:55
  for me. My father, you know based on my
• 24:58
  mother forcing him. I will say that straight, my
• 25:00
  mother was the tough one here, you know told people do not post
• 25:03
  a bail. He needs to learn.
• 25:04
  I later found out that I was being protected the entire time
• 25:06
  and thank God it was all resolved, but at that time I had
• 25:09
  no idea. Yeah, you must have been.
• 25:10
  You must have been scared. I, I was scared, I was scared, I
• 25:14
  was petrified. I, I had to act all cool.
• 25:19
  So you know, when you're in central booking, there's 4050
• 25:21
  people in a cell with you and everyone's like, oh, what's the
• 25:24
  Jewboy doing here? So I was like credit card for
• 25:26
  it. Oh, of course, you know, I had
• 25:28
  to like come up to something because what am I going to say?
• 25:30
  I stole my parents identity and got a credit card and rented a
• 25:32
  car and trashed it. And you know, no, that's not the
• 25:35
  story. The story is I did credit card
• 25:36
  for it. That was the charge, but after
• 25:38
  that I did not go back home for a while.
• 25:41
  I see. So you went to go live on your
• 25:42
  own. You went to.
• 25:43
  Go live on my own, you. Got a job?
• 25:44
  I got a job, I was doing my own thing, and then I started
• 25:48
  getting closer to my parents again.
• 25:49
  As I started the workforce, I realized that what they did was
• 25:52
  actually good for me. And I actually went to them and
• 25:55
  apologized for the fact that I didn't appreciate it.
• 25:58
  And they were like, it's good you didn't appreciate it because
• 26:01
  then you wouldn't have learned like you'd need it.
• 26:03
  Don't apologize, you need it. Learn a tough lesson.
• 26:05
  Very tough lesson. You're like thinking to this.
• 26:06
  Yeah, I know your mother. Like it's me, I mean.
• 26:09
  I remember when this happened to you, to be honest with you.
• 26:11
  You remember this story? I'm pretty shocked that it came
• 26:13
  from your mother, to be honest. Yeah.
• 26:14
  See, I'm curious. My joy is dropping right now in
• 26:17
  terms of knowing that his mother did it to him.
• 26:19
  That's a very telling type of story, which makes me wonder in
• 26:22
  general when people call you and and I'm.
• 26:24
  I know I'm skipping or she, but people call you 24/7 for things
• 26:30
  Amuddim is, you know, serving a major purpose.
• 26:32
  But you as a person. I know personally, one of the
• 26:35
  things that Svi shared with me years ago, I asked him, I don't
• 26:38
  know if you remember this. I asked SVI, you know, we were
• 26:40
  talking about moving out of Brooklyn, out of Queens, out of
• 26:43
  the five boroughs. And I said, come to Muncie.
• 26:45
  It's beautiful up here. It's you know, it's nice trees
• 26:47
  breathing. You know what he told me?
• 26:49
  Do you remember this Svi? You said I can't.
• 26:52
  And I said, why he goes because before Shabbos, Friday
• 26:57
  afternoon, I tend to get phone calls for people that were
• 27:00
  arrested. And they're they get to prison,
• 27:02
  sometimes wrongfully, sometimes they need kosher food, sometimes
• 27:06
  they need a placement for Shabbos.
• 27:08
  And if I don't live near the five boroughs, I won't be able
• 27:11
  to get to the prison system on time.
• 27:13
  And therefore he made a decision not to leave the Queens, which
• 27:17
  was amazing to me. Right, Very selfless.
• 27:19
  True story. True story.
• 27:21
  So I'm thinking back in my mind now, so if somebody calls you
• 27:25
  now and says I need your help from prison, don't you take a
• 27:28
  step back and remember what your mother did for your benefit and
• 27:31
  think maybe I shouldn't run after this person and help them
• 27:34
  get what they need. So it's a very.
• 27:36
  I'm very curious. About it.
• 27:37
  So I will tell you it's a very interesting concept and I'll
• 27:39
  give you the answer. My help is not absolving them of
• 27:43
  their crimes, it's getting them through the system.
• 27:46
  It's helping them with what they need to be able to get through
• 27:49
  it. They're still going to have to
• 27:49
  deal with the consequences. The consequences don't change.
• 27:53
  There's no like. Or you're not getting them out
• 27:55
  of prison. Not.
• 27:55
  Getting them out of prison, right?
• 27:56
  You know, right? So you're making sure that
• 27:58
  they're treated properly in the. System but I will tell you that
• 28:01
  on that note, I have a cousin lives in Israel Meyerwolf, my
• 28:04
  father's cousin. We're very close with the whole
• 28:06
  family. They're good people and I was I
• 28:09
  when I go to I stay in his house a lot, you know, unless I have
• 28:12
  other apartments to stay in. But in the meantime, you know, I
• 28:14
  stay by him. And one time I got a phone call
• 28:18
  and he was next to me. And I, I said something to the
• 28:21
  effect of again, he got arrested.
• 28:22
  Just forget it. I'm not helping.
• 28:25
  And mayor looks at me sternly in the face and he says, SVI,
• 28:30
  that's not your job. You don't get to decide when.
• 28:35
  If you're helping people with this, you don't know which time
• 28:37
  helping them is going to be the help.
• 28:39
  And you need to do what you need to do.
• 28:40
  And I want you to know that that lesson to me has stayed with me
• 28:45
  because especially when you're dealing with, you know,
• 28:47
  addiction, right, people relapse.
• 28:49
  I I hate the line that relapse is part of recovery.
• 28:52
  It's not. Recovery is recovery.
• 28:53
  Relapse is relapse. I mean, let's not make it
• 28:55
  acceptable to relapse, but we understand it could happen.
• 28:58
  But that's what taught me not to give up on anybody.
• 29:02
  We just keep on trying. It doesn't matter.
• 29:04
  So the answer to your question is, yeah, because of what I
• 29:08
  experienced is why I got so involved in the prison system.
• 29:12
  But let's just back up and get to that because I'm gonna finish
• 29:14
  to your story. So at this point, I'm going back
• 29:16
  to my parents. By the way, with all my ADHD, I
• 29:18
  still remembered we were at. You're better at this so I can
• 29:22
  ask my question then who took care of the the bills after the
• 29:26
  credit card fraud? Like who covered?
• 29:27
  Did your parents cover your bills?
• 29:28
  I'm assuming they did because I didn't.
• 29:31
  No, you mean my bills personal. No, I'm saying like all those
• 29:33
  credit cards, the credit card bills.
• 29:34
  Like what happened? I'm assuming they did OK.
• 29:37
  I mean, I don't think. Or not.
• 29:38
  Steph, you're worried about the credit card company?
• 29:40
  I'm not. I'm not the money back.
• 29:42
  What? I'm just.
• 29:43
  Thank your parents for taking care of the credit card.
• 29:46
  You should. Have not gotten it because they
• 29:47
  they. It's fraud.
• 29:48
  They probably declined the charge or something.
• 29:50
  That's. It's their insurance is covering
• 29:51
  it and what not. Yeah.
• 29:52
  Stephen You own a credit card, Stephen No, I don't.
• 29:54
  Have card. Okay, go ahead, I.
• 29:57
  Stick to debit cards. If it ain't in the bank, ain't
• 29:58
  using it. We were also living in a world
• 30:00
  and that was common like. You know, it was common, but
• 30:03
  that was common with using other, I mean, right, that's
• 30:07
  like the cell phone. Remember over the Gowanus?
• 30:09
  Remember in Israel when they. Aseemon, no.
• 30:11
  The aseemon with the string, no. But what about over the Gowanus
• 30:13
  holding that big clunky phone? Getting someone elses.
• 30:17
  I don't know. Whoa, what's that?
• 30:18
  Cloning. Phones, come on, cloning.
• 30:20
  Phone Hello, hello, hello. This is cloning credit cards.
• 30:22
  Cloning phone This was like. This the 90s, you know, the 90s.
• 30:24
  Yeah. But anyway, so I got closer to
• 30:27
  my parents again. And my father used to always
• 30:29
  tell me, I'm going away. Do you want to you want to take
• 30:31
  my beeper? That was like his way of saying,
• 30:33
  do you want to get involved in help?
• 30:34
  And I kept saying, no, I'm not interested.
• 30:37
  I'm I'm, we're good now. Anyway, one time my father was
• 30:40
  leaving the house. He was getting on a plane to
• 30:41
  Poland. I was 20 years old.
• 30:44
  And he said, you want to take my beeper?
• 30:47
  And I said sure. And he just looked at me.
• 30:50
  You know what he didn't know then was the person that was
• 30:54
  taking his beeper at the time when he was traveling was then
• 30:57
  asking people for money afterwards.
• 30:59
  And I found out about it. And, and knowing my father and
• 31:03
  those that know me know like there's no, there's no money for
• 31:06
  cassette. It just doesn't work.
• 31:08
  And my father told me this years ago.
• 31:10
  He goes, once you take money, once in the hand, it makes a
• 31:12
  hole and you can never fill that hole.
• 31:16
  So there's no taking money. So I got very upset because,
• 31:19
  again, we're still yuckies. You know, my father was born in
• 31:21
  Germany, came to America right before the war.
• 31:24
  Like, you know, there's a certain part of that component.
• 31:27
  And so I said, yeah, I'll take it.
• 31:29
  And he gives me his Rolodex with it.
• 31:31
  You know, for those that don't know what a Rolodex is, you know
• 31:34
  that's where you there was no digital devices it.
• 31:38
  Was. It was a roll of cards that you
• 31:42
  indexed people's names and phone numbers, and it was called a
• 31:44
  Rolodex Anyway. And he gives me the Rolodex and
• 31:48
  he says, OK, if there's anyone you need to call, you'll figure
• 31:50
  it out from the Rolodex. Now, again, growing up in my
• 31:54
  father's house, I pretty much knew the language or whatever.
• 31:57
  He's on the plane. I get a beep.
• 32:01
  It was a, it was a, it was a pager.
• 32:04
  It was a, you know, alphanumeric pager where you called an
• 32:07
  operator. They typed out the message, you
• 32:09
  know, and I call back the number and the guy tells me, you know,
• 32:13
  my brother just died. This is where it happened.
• 32:16
  This is what's going on. This is where we need to get him
• 32:19
  buried. They're telling us it's going to
• 32:20
  take a few days. Medical examiner, autopsy,
• 32:23
  releasing the body. Mind you, this was a Sunday.
• 32:27
  Just to put into perspective what this was, I go to the
• 32:32
  Rolodex and I look up the phone number for the chief medical
• 32:34
  examiner of New York City. And I see one of them says, you
• 32:39
  know, phone case, which meant to be like suitcase phone, like
• 32:41
  that's the portable cell phone at the time.
• 32:44
  And I called that number and I said, hi, doctor, my name is
• 32:49
  Sieglock. I'm Rabi, Edgar Glock's son.
• 32:52
  I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be asking you to do, but
• 32:54
  here's what I'll tell you. Here's the name of the person.
• 32:57
  This is where he died. We got to get him buried.
• 32:59
  When you have all that resolved, please call me and let me know
• 33:02
  so we can get the family and get them all in order.
• 33:05
  And I hung up, like, I just gave the chief medical examiner of
• 33:09
  New York City direct instructions of what to do
• 33:11
  without knowing what to ask him for.
• 33:14
  He calls me back an hour later. He says the body's released.
• 33:18
  Everything is done. Where's your father?
• 33:22
  I said, oh, he's on a plane. He's landing in a few hours in
• 33:25
  Poland. He was OK.
• 33:26
  Please make sure when he gets back, you and him come see me.
• 33:29
  So I'm like thinking, oh, my God, what did I just do?
• 33:32
  Like, what did I just, this was the the worst thing.
• 33:35
  Like what did I just do? And this was your first?
• 33:38
  My first ever anything first case and the chief medical
• 33:41
  examiner is. You got the beeper for the first
• 33:43
  time. You got a call.
• 33:45
  You got a certain situation. And now you got to go meet him
• 33:49
  at the morgue. You're.
• 33:49
  Dealing with this in real time, what you know, This is why was
• 33:52
  this your, by the way, your father?
• 33:54
  What did he start out as? What was he?
• 33:56
  How did he? Talk about jumping to another.
• 33:58
  Story What did what did he do? What was your father?
• 34:00
  Because your father has sounds like he has his connections to
• 34:02
  the chief medical officer in Yeah, in New York.
• 34:04
  What was he doing? He's the most powerful Orthodox
• 34:06
  Jew in the United United States for probably over 3540 years.
• 34:10
  He drafted the New York State autopsy bill.
• 34:12
  He was the one that he was one of the founders of at Solo who
• 34:15
  also helped make it legal, first ever, you know, in the history
• 34:19
  together with rehearsal Weber. So Zangizant, my father worked
• 34:23
  in governments. You know, he was very in a work
• 34:26
  for city government under the Lindsay administration.
• 34:28
  He then worked for state government.
• 34:31
  He worked for Mario Cuomo, then he worked for Pataki, then for
• 34:33
  Andrew Cuomo. I mean, he's.
• 34:34
  So he used all his connections to ultimately help people
• 34:37
  through difficult. Things.
• 34:38
  That's why he made connections. It was my.
• 34:40
  Fault for that whole. Life was helping people.
• 34:42
  He sounds like he sounds like the Godfather.
• 34:43
  He is He is my father is he is He is absolutely the godfather.
• 34:47
  He is he. There was no such thing as
• 34:49
  asking. And with him it wasn't that your
• 34:51
  ass can't. You always could.
• 34:53
  Today to be an askin is an ask can.
• 34:55
  So you say you can, and then you got to confuse people what that
• 34:57
  means? The good one, by the way, right
• 34:59
  now he's the chief rabbi of. Well, Chief Rabbi of Galitzia,
• 35:02
  that's a whole story how that happened.
• 35:03
  I'm just putting your perspective today.
• 35:06
  He's chief also also was one of the founding members of the US
• 35:10
  Commission of Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad,
• 35:12
  Reclaiming Holy Sites, you know, cemeteries, burials all over the
• 35:16
  world, I mean, primarily Europe and all over the world.
• 35:18
  I mean, my father is just a hero.
• 35:19
  Like literally he. Is.
• 35:20
  Hero. He's survived.
• 35:22
  Both. Sounds like someone should write
• 35:23
  a book about this guy. They should, but he would have
• 35:26
  to be willing to. And I'm I'm hearing stories now
• 35:28
  that I never knew about. Like I just found out.
• 35:30
  Literally jumped engines. I was at a hotel on Pesach
• 35:35
  visiting Rabbi Radinsky. Actually he was making a bris
• 35:37
  for an Indigo. Love it.
• 35:38
  And I went to the hotel and as I'm there, some guy sees me
• 35:40
  outside smoking and he says, you're Glock.
• 35:45
  Yeah, you're you're Edgar's son. I said, yeah, he goes.
• 35:47
  I got to tell you a story because when I was in yeshiva, I
• 35:50
  wanted to become a cop. And my friend Heshi Aranthal
• 35:56
  Basham was a very close friend of my father's.
• 35:58
  He was in New York City, Marshall also very involved in a
• 36:00
  lot of, you know, amazing things said to me, Nope.
• 36:03
  You got to meet with Rabbi Glock because if you become a cop,
• 36:05
  you're not going to be from now. The test to become a police
• 36:09
  officer was on Saturday. That was the day of the test.
• 36:12
  There was no, there was no, there was no.
• 36:14
  Nothing comes to my father and he says, you know, I am.
• 36:18
  I'm going to become a cop. My father goes, well, if the
• 36:21
  test is on Saturday, what do you do?
• 36:22
  He goes, I'm going to take the test like I'm becoming a cop.
• 36:25
  So my father says, I'll tell you what, I'm going to get the test
• 36:30
  not on Saturday for you. But you have to give a
• 36:34
  commitment now, no matter what it takes to mean switching
• 36:37
  shifts, working, you know, the midnight that the graveyard
• 36:40
  think care. You are never going to work on
• 36:42
  Shabbos or Yomtiff as long as you're a police officer.
• 36:45
  You give me that commitment, then I do it.
• 36:48
  And he gave the commitment that my father changed the policy.
• 36:50
  And that's the reason why so many foreign people have able to
• 36:52
  come cops and take the test not on shopping switch.
• 36:54
  I never knew that story. I heard about it because this
• 36:57
  guy tells me that I asked my father.
• 36:58
  He goes, yeah, it's true. Like why do you tell me what's
• 37:00
  there to tell? That's that's my father.
• 37:03
  So anyway, getting back to this, my father comes home and I tell
• 37:06
  him the story. We gotta go see the chief
• 37:08
  medical officer. My.
• 37:10
  Father goes to chief medical examiner.
• 37:12
  It's me really. I mean, OK.
• 37:14
  What'd you do? We go into the office and we sit
• 37:18
  down and he turns to my father and he goes, this son of yours,
• 37:22
  he's got chutzpah. My father goes, yeah, I think I
• 37:28
  know where he gets it from. And he says, yeah, is he
• 37:32
  ordained yet? No, he goes, well, I'm giving
• 37:39
  him the position of rabbinical consultant to the chief medical
• 37:41
  examiner's office, which my father had held already for
• 37:44
  years. And I'm giving him an ID, and
• 37:46
  I'm giving him a shield, and I'm making it official.
• 37:48
  So my father says, listen, my wife won't handle that because
• 37:51
  my wife will not let him use a title rabbi if he's not a rabbi.
• 37:56
  So he says that's his problem, He's got to become a rabbi.
• 37:58
  But this is what I'm doing. I like his style and I want to
• 38:01
  get him more involved. And that was how that was my
• 38:03
  first entrance into public service, not into the nonprofit
• 38:07
  sector that I actually got involved in when I was 1415.
• 38:09
  That's a whole other thing. But in the public sector, that
• 38:12
  was my first entree into it, so. What do you do about the rabbi?
• 38:16
  About being a rabbi? Did you?
• 38:19
  I went for 3 1/2 years. I didn't know this.
• 38:21
  I had my mother when the NYPD after 911 made me a liaison so
• 38:27
  that I can access all the areas to be able to get to for
• 38:30
  identifying bodies remains matching it up.
• 38:32
  You couldn't just travel back and forth into the city.
• 38:35
  My mother then put her foot down.
• 38:37
  She goes listen to the first ID card, says Office of the Chief
• 38:40
  Medical Examiner, Rabbinical consultant liaison.
• 38:44
  This ID card says Rabbi Svieg Luck, NYPD and I went for Smeka
• 38:48
  3 1/2 years and I got Smeka. Wow.
• 38:51
  On what? I mean, I went through the whole
• 38:55
  program. You now know that a
• 38:56
  cheeseburger. Isn't there different levels of?
• 38:58
  There is. I actually went through Shabbos
• 39:00
  Kashris. I went through.
• 39:01
  I went through. That's the main one.
• 39:02
  Just need this. No, I went through all of them
• 39:03
  saying I went through the full. I went through the full program.
• 39:06
  Now, I would never pass in Shiloh Wow, ever.
• 39:09
  But but you did it. I did it and I did it knowing I
• 39:12
  would never be a rabbi. But like I, you know, this is
• 39:15
  what was necessary. So I went, just maybe.
• 39:16
  You didn't want to mess with your mother.
• 39:18
  Not after she put me in jail, no.
• 39:19
  I'm like this. So put me in jail for call
• 39:21
  myself a rabbi. OK, I'll be I'll go through
• 39:23
  three years. Whatever you want, Mom.
• 39:24
  Listen, nobody messes with Mom I.
• 39:26
  Don't know this. We know this.
• 39:27
  Everyone else. I find it funny that you
• 39:28
  explained what a rolodex was, but you didn't explain what a
• 39:31
  beeper was. Maybe more people know how to
• 39:33
  Rolodex a beeper. Like if you tell anybody that's
• 39:37
  less than 20 years old today what a beeper is, they're like,
• 39:40
  they'll, they'll think. Well, now they know because of
• 39:42
  Hamas. Yeah, Hezbollah.
• 39:43
  But they don't know what it really is.
• 39:45
  All they know is I know that it blew up the device that they're
• 39:47
  trying to communicate with, you know, and it was beeping and
• 39:50
  then it ultimately blew up. But what happens next?
• 39:53
  OK, so. Well, by the way.
• 39:54
  You're starting to. I had my first pager, a Skytel
• 39:57
  two way pager when I was 14 years old.
• 40:01
  Two way pager. Two way pager.
• 40:02
  That meant you called the operator, the operator wrote out
• 40:06
  the message, sent it to your pager, you opened up the pager
• 40:12
  and you texted back. There was no text messaging yet
• 40:16
  you wrote back a message. The operator got the message and
• 40:20
  called back the person and gave them your reply I.
• 40:23
  Don't know if you remember, there was an advance beeper that
• 40:25
  my dad had which is a talking beeper.
• 40:28
  You leave a message and then it beeps and no matter where you
• 40:31
  are, you heard that. Everybody hears it.
• 40:33
  Yes, and my mother in Hebrew, like out loud.
• 40:35
  Hello, Altishka. You know, like whatever it is,
• 40:38
  don't forget. And it's just loud in the
• 40:39
  supermarket. Yes, that was the next level.
• 40:41
  You guys are really old, so OK, so now you're getting into the
• 40:45
  to the habit of starting to like see what's going on in the
• 40:48
  world, you're helping people, you're getting the taste of it
• 40:52
  and you're sort of getting thrown into it.
• 40:53
  When does that big thing happen? When does that big moment happen
• 40:55
  that? So over the next few years, I, I
• 40:58
  pretty much lived in, in the five boroughs, central booking,
• 41:02
  anybody that got arrested, getting them kosher foods, fill
• 41:04
  in, whatever that was like, you know, and I did this, you know,
• 41:07
  while carrying on jobs. And, you know, I joined that
• 41:10
  solo. I then, you know, I got married.
• 41:12
  I then went to became a paramedic, you know, because I'm
• 41:15
  an overachiever and I have so much free time and I started
• 41:19
  volunteering at our place while I was when I was 20 years old,
• 41:22
  also in 1920, volunteering more for just dealing with really
• 41:28
  with the kids that were getting into trouble.
• 41:29
  So like it was more like dealing with every arrest and everything
• 41:32
  in our place. For those that don't know, is an
• 41:34
  amazing, amazing organization started by Himes V Glance who's
• 41:38
  who's a hero in my book as well. Drop in center and and Flatbush.
• 41:42
  There was one for boys, one for girls.
• 41:43
  It then grew into the living room, which now has locations
• 41:46
  literally globally for 12 step meetings.
• 41:49
  It's just grown into so many amazing things.
• 41:51
  And my blood still, you know, still bleeds our place like it
• 41:54
  always does. So I started volunteering in our
• 41:56
  place and then I realized at some point that like a lot of
• 41:59
  these kids that were showing up in our place, especially the
• 42:02
  ones that I was interacting with, they were victims of
• 42:05
  abuse, mostly sexual abuse that was never dealt with.
• 42:09
  So I started learning about sexual abuse and wanted to know
• 42:14
  more and more about it because it was just getting something
• 42:16
  that was really starting to bother me.
• 42:17
  And I then, you know, became an advocate, we'll call it at that
• 42:21
  point, which I meant I didn't know what I was doing and I just
• 42:24
  made noise. And I assumed that making noise
• 42:26
  will solve all the problems, which it certainly helped in a
• 42:28
  big way, bring things to light, but in a very unprofessional
• 42:31
  way. And the comment I say to people
• 42:34
  as being Rabbi Glock son, I got away with it.
• 42:35
  Like I would be protesting outside a certain rubs house at
• 42:39
  10:00 in the morning with you're protecting a pedophile.
• 42:42
  Mind you I didn't know the case, I didn't know anything.
• 42:44
  I just know this is you know, the thing to do. 3 hours later I
• 42:47
  sat at his dining room because he needed help with a passport
• 42:50
  or something and I I looked at him straight in the face.
• 42:53
  This was a specific rope doesn't matter who.
• 42:54
  And I said I'm just curious. You know that I was outside your
• 42:58
  house three hours ago protesting.
• 42:59
  Like that's not a secret. Yet you had no problem calling
• 43:03
  me and saying I need your help with something.
• 43:05
  And he says, I could say the question the other way.
• 43:09
  You were outside protesting, yet you have no problem sitting in
• 43:12
  my house and being respectful to me and having a conversation and
• 43:15
  coming to help me. So I said, well, maybe I came
• 43:17
  here just to yell at you. He goes, OK, then you would have
• 43:19
  left already. So he said to me, let me tell
• 43:22
  you, you don't know the whole story of what you're protesting,
• 43:25
  but I'm not going to argue with you because what you're
• 43:27
  protesting is right. The fact is the community
• 43:30
  doesn't understand abuse. They don't know what how to deal
• 43:33
  with it. So the fact that you're bringing
• 43:36
  noise at my expense, I look at that as a scuss.
• 43:40
  You don't even know the story. I look at it as a scuss.
• 43:43
  Interesting. And as you get older, you'll
• 43:45
  understand the realities and you'll hopefully hone this into
• 43:48
  something that's going to be more productive.
• 43:51
  OK, again, important lesson learnt.
• 43:55
  I then was working in real estate, you know, all while
• 43:58
  doing these things, married kids and then I lost my job and
• 44:02
  that's when, you know, laser heard about a lot of the things
• 44:05
  I was doing with people At that point.
• 44:06
  I was doing a lot of work in the federal prison system as well.
• 44:09
  You know, we you know, my father had finished making it that
• 44:12
  there was an actual kosher kitchen built in Otisville for
• 44:15
  the first time, like they actually built, you know,
• 44:18
  facility there. I was in Otisville then all
• 44:20
  that. I had a crazy story in Otisville
• 44:22
  also that happened on AM Kipper, whatever, but that's we'll get
• 44:24
  to that anyway. And so Laser basically took me
• 44:27
  under his wing, as I said, and started supporting me.
• 44:29
  And then after a couple of years, he said to me one day he
• 44:32
  goes, see, this is crazy already.
• 44:34
  You've got to branch out. You got to do this more
• 44:36
  professionally. This is not, you know, there's
• 44:38
  so much more that needs to be done.
• 44:40
  And I said to him, I've no interest.
• 44:42
  I'm going to then have to become a fundraiser.
• 44:44
  I'm going to have to this. I'm after that start answering
• 44:45
  to people I don't want I'm doing right now.
• 44:47
  He goes, yeah, but you're not doing a service to call
• 44:48
  yourself. He goes, I took you under my
• 44:51
  wing as my service to clients role and and that's been
• 44:55
  maximized already. Meaning how many people are in
• 44:57
  central booking, you're going to do the same.
• 44:59
  Like there's so much more you have to offer at that point.
• 45:04
  I was always very close with my she Wolfson, very, very dear
• 45:07
  friend. Also someone I look up to
• 45:09
  tremendous respect. And my she had a crazy story.
• 45:13
  He made a bris for a grandchild. I went to the bris.
• 45:16
  After the bris, he invites me back to his house and he says,
• 45:19
  well, let's go, let's go out, you know, chill out in my house
• 45:21
  for a bit. So we chill out in his house and
• 45:24
  some guy shows up in a stretched Lincoln Town Car taxi.
• 45:30
  Again, this is years ago. That was the that was it.
• 45:33
  The guy gets out wearing a cowboy hat.
• 45:36
  Interesting guy. I never asked him his name,
• 45:38
  never asked me my name. Just stop.
• 45:40
  We're just, you know, sitting me, him and my she.
• 45:42
  And we start talking and then my phone rings.
• 45:45
  So I go to take the call and I walk into another room.
• 45:47
  It's nobody's business. And they overhear me saying
• 45:50
  that's unacceptable. The deal was made.
• 45:53
  The bail was posted. The deal was that he's getting
• 45:58
  extradited on the condition that he goes under house arrest.
• 46:00
  He is not to spend a day in jail.
• 46:03
  Otherwise we're not letting him get on that plane.
• 46:04
  That was the deal and I even said, I said what the heck did
• 46:09
  the judge ask for a half $1,000,000 bail for that?
• 46:12
  Somebody posted in cash before the guy even got extradited.
• 46:15
  Now, this was a very interesting case where a person left to
• 46:18
  Israel before getting charged with the crime and the crime was
• 46:23
  officially against, you know, it was a story.
• 46:26
  He would he would have been killed in jail.
• 46:27
  He basically it was an assault on an African American who was
• 46:30
  the child of a corrections officer.
• 46:33
  So this Hasidic Jew and it wasn't really an assault.
• 46:35
  It was really there was a fight that ensued that the other
• 46:38
  person started and. He was in danger of being.
• 46:40
  In he was he was truly in danger of like what we would consider
• 46:43
  really getting his took his hand at them in jail, either by the
• 46:45
  people in jail saying, oh, you beat up a black kid or by, you
• 46:49
  know, the corrections officer. So we anyway, so the guy says,
• 46:52
  OK, let me get back to you. I said, listen, you tell the
• 46:54
  District Attorney a deal's a deal.
• 46:56
  If this is what he's going to do, we're going to just go
• 46:58
  public with the fact that he's just not trustworthy.
• 47:00
  It's enough. He's covering up for all the sex
• 47:02
  abuse cases in the community. Now he's going to start
• 47:04
  blatantly lying when a judge agrees to something.
• 47:06
  And that was how I ended off that statement.
• 47:10
  So I come back into the room and this other guy looks at me and
• 47:13
  he goes, can you tell me what you're talking about?
• 47:14
  And I said, no, I'm not discussing it.
• 47:16
  He goes, no, no, no, no names, just it sounded interesting.
• 47:19
  Something about bail 1/2 a million, like what's going on
• 47:21
  here? So I said, listen, there's a
• 47:23
  case I'm working on for over a year already.
• 47:24
  I flew to Israel 5-6 times. Maishi Wolfson actually paid for
• 47:27
  my tickets to go to Israel. Maishi actually got me a meeting
• 47:29
  with then. Yaakov Nemal was a justice
• 47:31
  minister. He got me to meet with the
• 47:32
  justice minister together with Rabbi, What's his name?
• 47:36
  Oh my God I'm blanking out now. Some rabbi you know.
• 47:39
  Rabbi Weiss, Rabbasher Weiss, you know, who's, you know, was
• 47:42
  learned with, with Ryakov Nemal, like I said, you know, he knew
• 47:45
  about it. And we got to a point where the
• 47:48
  issue was we got an agreement from the DA and from the judge
• 47:51
  that if we post bail and some rich guy who I don't think even
• 47:54
  knows the guy gave a half $1,000,000 bail for this.
• 47:57
  And I'm just trying to make sure that they follow their rule.
• 48:01
  And he goes and who's that rich guy said, I have no idea.
• 48:04
  So nobody that I know would just write out a half $1,000,000
• 48:07
  like, and this is cash. You're not talking like putting
• 48:09
  up a house. So he says, well, I've heard a
• 48:12
  lot of titles, but I've never been called that rich guy.
• 48:16
  And my she looks. He goes one second.
• 48:19
  You guys are sitting here for an hour together.
• 48:20
  Do you not know who each other are?
• 48:23
  Like, no. He goes, this is Mendy Klein, my
• 48:27
  best friend from Cleveland. This is Svig Luck.
• 48:30
  And Mendy looks at me and he goes, Svig Luck.
• 48:32
  I was expecting somebody much older with everything I heard.
• 48:35
  I said, what did you hear? He goes first, let me give you a
• 48:38
  hug, gives me a hug. He says, I've been trying to
• 48:41
  meet with you for two years now. I've heard so much about you,
• 48:44
  and you've been ignoring all my requests.
• 48:48
  I'm like, no, you haven't. He was.
• 48:50
  Yeah. Look at your phone.
• 48:52
  Take out my BlackBerry. And I'm looking for emails.
• 48:55
  Mendy Klein. Nothing comes up.
• 48:58
  Try Robert Klein. Try Robert Klein.
• 49:00
  Yeah. There's an e-mail from a Karen
• 49:01
  O'Rourke at Rik Enterprises saying my boss, Robert Klein,
• 49:08
  would like to meet with you. Please let me know when you can
• 49:09
  meet. So I thought it was spam.
• 49:12
  I don't know. Karina wore Cleveland, OH Robert
• 49:15
  Klein and there was literally like 6 emails like asking me to
• 49:19
  meet. You were getting spammed.
• 49:21
  I was getting spammed, but guess what?
• 49:23
  It wasn't the right time anyway. So as we're sitting there, my,
• 49:26
  she starts telling Mendy out. She deals with these kids that
• 49:29
  were abused and addiction and all these other things.
• 49:33
  And he goes, ah, you should come move to Cleveland.
• 49:35
  We don't have those problems there.
• 49:37
  And I'm, I'm holding a Diet Coke.
• 49:39
  I'm drinking it and I literally spit it out out of my nose and
• 49:43
  my mouth. That's how hard I was laughing
• 49:45
  when he said that to me. Oh, come to Cleveland, we didn't
• 49:47
  have those problems there. And he goes, what are you
• 49:49
  joking? I said, I have plenty of
• 49:53
  problems Here he goes, why don't you tell me who?
• 49:54
  I said I can't. He goes, well, can I verify it?
• 49:57
  I said, yeah, you can call so and so.
• 49:59
  Who's actually a police officer there?
• 50:00
  You can call so and so. Who's a rug there?
• 50:02
  These are people that call me all the time with different
• 50:04
  issues. He calls them up right then and
• 50:06
  there. Now, I have no idea who this guy
• 50:08
  is other than the fact that he's that rich guy with half
• 50:09
  $1,000,000, right? I know nothing about him.
• 50:12
  And they both like say to him, he calls on speakerphone, they
• 50:15
  go, yeah, of course we know it's V Glock.
• 50:17
  He's the guy that we deal with with all these other blah, blah,
• 50:19
  blah, whatever. He hangs up, He calls up his
• 50:22
  assistant Karen. He says cancel everything in New
• 50:25
  York, get me on the next flight back to Cleveland and you call
• 50:28
  all the rabbis that are part of the VOD.
• 50:30
  There's an emergency meeting in my house tonight.
• 50:33
  Now that to me was just like a like this guy went from not
• 50:39
  knowing they were problems to hearing that there's problems
• 50:42
  and not just taking action, but doing it like, you know, like
• 50:46
  David Puckwood says about me, you know, it's shoot ready aim.
• 50:49
  You know, that was the way I I was at the time, literally.
• 50:52
  So I was very impressed and we developed a very close
• 50:54
  friendship and that turned into a relationship.
• 50:57
  Like literally, he was more like a father to me for, for a number
• 50:59
  of years. And then he calls me one day and
• 51:02
  says, whatever, there's a whole other story.
• 51:04
  We met, you know, Saul Werdiger from Aguda had something at his
• 51:08
  house and then it was downstairs in the basement that became
• 51:10
  called the Soul Werdeger basement meeting, which was a
• 51:14
  play on words from the, you know, Oh my God, Golden Mayer's
• 51:19
  kitchen, right? So that was like the this was
• 51:21
  his basement. That was another meeting where a
• 51:23
  lot of people came. And then there was another
• 51:25
  meeting that took place where it was by accident.
• 51:27
  This I love saying the story. I got a text message from Mendy
• 51:30
  client saying very urgent. Don't forget to be at what's the
• 51:33
  fancy restaurant used to be in Midtown?
• 51:35
  Prime Grill. OK.
• 51:36
  So, yeah, Prime Grill by 630. Don't be late.
• 51:40
  And he wrote Heights fee. So it was to me called a mushy
• 51:43
  Wolfson. I go mushy.
• 51:44
  What is Mendy asking me to come to?
• 51:46
  He goes, I don't know, but if he wants you to come, there's a
• 51:47
  reason. Anyway, I show up at this dinner
• 51:51
  and there's one seat left at the table and it's right next to
• 51:53
  Mendy. And he goes here, I'm waiting
• 51:54
  for you. Sit down, he says.
• 51:56
  Do all you guys around here know who this is now talking about?
• 52:00
  It was the names of the who's who in the Jewish philanthropic
• 52:02
  world, you name it. They were at that table.
• 52:04
  I mean, the big boys, you know, Wordiger, Schrones, Wolfson's,
• 52:08
  like, they were just everybody that was there.
• 52:10
  It's Rosenbaum was there from Lakewood, you know, like
• 52:12
  everybody was there. And he says, well, I know this
• 52:17
  meeting wasn't about this, but I brought SVI because I wanted him
• 52:20
  to explain to you what's really going on in the world.
• 52:23
  And they all say, well, we know. We speak to TV.
• 52:25
  We know and we communicate. He goes, really, you know him
• 52:29
  and you're not doing anything about the problems he's dealing
• 52:31
  with. What's wrong with you all?
• 52:33
  As he says that, Svi Bloom walks in and they pull up a chair fits
• 52:39
  V Bloom. Now, it turns out he meant to
• 52:40
  text V Bloom. This was a meeting for Tema,
• 52:43
  which is an organization in Israel to help curate him learn
• 52:46
  how to get jobs and to put them into the workforce.
• 52:49
  When he realized he texted me by mistake, he could have easily
• 52:51
  wrote in back, sorry, wrong SVI. I could have gotten there.
• 52:54
  He could have said, SVI, I'm so sorry, this wasn't the right
• 52:56
  meaning, but I want to treat you for dinner.
• 52:58
  Or he could have said it's VI accident.
• 53:00
  But at least joy listening in order not to embarrass me, he
• 53:04
  went that extra mile and made it as if he wanted me there, which
• 53:08
  was completely not factual. And from there he said, we got
• 53:12
  to do something. And he said, I'm going to put my
• 53:14
  money where my mouth is. We're starting an organization.
• 53:16
  You come up with a name, let's get it together, me, Maishi and
• 53:19
  you and we're doing this. And I promise you, as long as I
• 53:23
  live, you'll never have to worry about fundraising.
• 53:26
  I will say he kept his word, literally put us on the map
• 53:29
  overnight, took the topic of sexual abuse, made it a primary
• 53:33
  topic at Termasora, at a good at the conventions with sessions
• 53:37
  and I mean meetings with my asses.
• 53:39
  Like he really went meetings in Lakewood.
• 53:40
  He really went all out and unfortunately when he passed
• 53:44
  away untimely, his promise came true because I didn't have to
• 53:49
  worry about fundraising until he died and now we do.
• 53:52
  But that's how that's how it started.
• 53:56
  Wow, that's crazy. That's, that's really crazy.
• 53:58
  I mean, I feel like your whole life LED up to this moment.
• 54:01
  That's that is what it seems like, absolutely.
• 54:03
  Everything kept happening. OK, and now's a good time for a
• 54:07
  lightning round. OK, we do see if I break in for
• 54:11
  a lightning round. Let's do it because I I'm, I'm
• 54:14
  honestly, I'm tired, I'm overwhelmed in my you know, I
• 54:18
  can do a lot also. I also have ADHD right?
• 54:21
  But you know, just hearing what you're doing is just like it's
• 54:23
  tiring. I call.
• 54:24
  You in the middle of the night but I need money for.
• 54:26
  Things, but you need hearing. What I'm doing is tiring.
• 54:27
  I'm just saying we, we've communicate all the time and
• 54:30
  we've done, we've worked on special cases, some very we
• 54:33
  cannot discuss here. Cases over the years.
• 54:35
  But I. By the way, for another time,
• 54:37
  all my time periods. Exactly.
• 54:39
  Exactly. From 14 to 44, look, we have a
• 54:43
  lightning round. We have special questions we're
• 54:46
  going to ask you and you have basically one, none of your
• 54:51
  business response that you can give to all the questions I'm
• 54:53
  going to ask you. Does that sound fair?
• 54:55
  1. Just one.
• 54:58
  OK, All right. You don't have a choice.
• 54:59
  Or just or just answer and and lie.
• 55:01
  Yeah, no. No lies.
• 55:02
  That's one thing by the. Way OK, This lightning round is
• 55:04
  brought to you by Serenity Center of Rockland County.
• 55:08
  Serenity is a new a sponsor of the none of your business
• 55:11
  podcast by the way, it's fee and you know, they're a local
• 55:14
  therapy clinic and they provide services.
• 55:16
  They cover insurance and they're an amazing organization local in
• 55:19
  Rockland. So here we go.
• 55:23
  Besides your dad, who is your first call in an emergency?
• 55:30
  Danny Shiloh. Your largest single donation?
• 55:34
  You've received 2. $150,000. Wow, if you had to Otisville OR.
• 55:42
  I wouldn't have to. Which prison has the best kosher
• 55:49
  food? Otisville.
• 55:52
  Horrible question, thank you. How many tickets has your badge
• 55:58
  saved you from? None of your business.
• 56:01
  OK. Really.
• 56:03
  You go on a lot of emergency calls to be paramedic Hotzala,
• 56:06
  you know, prison. Which podcast are you listening
• 56:09
  to on the way to a call? Trance music.
• 56:11
  That's my podcast. Trans music.
• 56:13
  Trans music. Wow.
• 56:15
  That's that's my music. OK, house music or like hardcore
• 56:17
  trends? Both.
• 56:18
  A few more, three more shul or stiebel.
• 56:21
  Stiebel. Steak or Schnitzel?
• 56:23
  Schnitzel text or call. Call old fashioned.
• 56:26
  This has been a wonderful lightning round.
• 56:29
  Wow, we accomplished it. Did we?
• 56:31
  Yes. What?
• 56:31
  What did we just learn? We learned a lot of about him.
• 56:34
  I mean, you know, come on. So I don't think so.
• 56:36
  I think it was cute, but I don't think you learned anything about
• 56:37
  me. How many people do you help
• 56:40
  every single year approximately? I know it's going to be a
• 56:42
  difficult question to really know exact amount, but how many
• 56:45
  people come through your organization on a year?
• 56:49
  So it's I'm happy you worded it that way because, you know,
• 56:52
  people still call me for all the other things.
• 56:54
  And it gets very confusing, by the way, when people like
• 56:56
  Amudimo, they got me a flight to Israel where my mother died, or
• 57:00
  a passport, or. Which you're very well known
• 57:02
  for. But but, but it's like and then
• 57:03
  people say like what's Amudim and then it's confusing.
• 57:05
  So Amudim this past year we just under 4000 active clients that
• 57:10
  we've dealt with. No, I'm sorry.
• 57:12
  You know what, I can give you the live answer because I'm very
• 57:14
  data-driven and I actually. You know what's funny about I
• 57:17
  will tell you that I I never told you this, but it's V runs a
• 57:22
  Unite to Heal 24/7 fundraiser. 36 hour. 36 hour fundraiser.
• 57:29
  It's phenomenal. By the way, you're talking about
• 57:31
  live. Like a telephone.
• 57:33
  Like a telethon online with celebrities, influencers,
• 57:37
  rabbis, all different people and they fundraise how much money
• 57:41
  every year. Well, other than this year where
• 57:43
  we didn't even hit half our goal, we've been.
• 57:46
  Consistent. I'm sorry to hear that, by the
• 57:47
  way. You know what, between the real
• 57:49
  estate market, between a lot of the healthcare industries
• 57:51
  between October 7th, there's just been we got crushed.
• 57:55
  What have you been getting? The historically it's been
• 57:56
  between 5:00 to $7,000,000. 5 to $7,000,000 and 36 dollars yeah
• 58:01
  which is amazing and I'll. Tell you, but second, but the
• 58:03
  five to seven, I'm going to say this for full transparency
• 58:07
  includes the years that we did matching which we didn't always
• 58:10
  do. So it was the matchers money.
• 58:12
  It includes we get corporate sponsors for the segments.
• 58:16
  So in other words, I want to make that clear, we get
• 58:19
  approximately 2 to three and a half, $1,000,000 from the
• 58:22
  general public clicking online to make a donor.
• 58:26
  Who came up with this idea, by the way?
• 58:27
  Yummy Shakhtar, it's a. Congratulations to you guys by
• 58:30
  the way, with what Yummy Shakhtar did.
• 58:32
  Shakhtar is a hero. It's amazing he came up with
• 58:35
  this idea. By the way, I stay up for 36
• 58:37
  hours straight watching it. Was it was COVID first year?
• 58:40
  It was. COVID.
• 58:40
  Is there entertainment throughout this?
• 58:42
  Like are you? Kidding me?
• 58:43
  It's only entertainment. Music, Yeah.
• 58:45
  That has come out in the Jewish rolls music were debuted at
• 58:49
  Unite to hill the segments. The game shows it is there is
• 58:53
  something for. Hollywood Squares.
• 58:55
  It's literally a telethon, yes. It is a 36 hour telethon.
• 58:59
  Who hosts it? Who's the?
• 59:01
  Nachum Siegel was the host is the host of the You know the
• 59:04
  live. Portion still around.
• 59:06
  Knock him, Siegel. He's rocking and rolling, by the
• 59:08
  way. He's a beast rock.
• 59:09
  Yeah, I heard that name is like some kid.
• 59:11
  Yes, yes. And he's still around.
• 59:12
  Yeah, by the way, you're not 80. I'm saying like, you know, OK,
• 59:15
  you heard of it, 20. Years.
• 59:15
  No. If I could picture him.
• 59:17
  I don't even know if I know how he looks but.
• 59:19
  You recognize he's very tall, but that voice you'll recognize
• 59:21
  anyway. Yeah.
• 59:23
  OK, he's amazing. He's a entertainer.
• 59:25
  He's he's amazing. And the way the way it was was
• 59:27
  that we can't come up with something and it was COVID and
• 59:30
  you had all these places trying to do ideas or, you know, online
• 59:34
  dinners and like it just yummy sat with us and he goes listen,
• 59:38
  guys. But mind you, we had six weeks
• 59:41
  from when we decided to do it the first year.
• 59:44
  Things like let's bring people what they want, topics of
• 59:48
  discussion, things about Israel, about mental health, about
• 59:51
  addiction, about general topics, about anything.
• 59:54
  You name it, we'll just throw topics out there.
• 59:56
  We'll get some musicians, we'll do.
• 59:58
  We'll just give people something interesting to enjoy, OK?
• 1:00:02
  And we literally pulled it off. You're talking about Zoom.
• 1:00:05
  Like every single segment was on Zoom, but we had segments from
• 1:00:09
  NBA players talking about mental health and sports.
• 1:00:13
  Like we're talking African American NBN players.
• 1:00:16
  We're not talking, you know, specific, you know, we're
• 1:00:19
  talking about top therapists from all around the world
• 1:00:22
  discussing major issues that what they're dealing with.
• 1:00:25
  You're talking about, you know, we had Jonathan Pollard right
• 1:00:27
  after, you know, he came out sharing, you know, his
• 1:00:29
  experience. Like we, we had like, I mean,
• 1:00:32
  this past year, unfortunately, we also had people that were
• 1:00:34
  survivors from the Nova festival and family members that lost.
• 1:00:36
  But it's. High profile people.
• 1:00:38
  Always high profile. And a lot of fun.
• 1:00:40
  I don't know how you did it in six weeks.
• 1:00:42
  Congratulations to you guys. How?
• 1:00:43
  How long does it? Take and the Holy Yid Squares,
• 1:00:45
  which had to be recorded live. Holy Yid Squares was with all
• 1:00:50
  musical professionals, right? Kind of.
• 1:00:51
  David Avram Feed Benny. All coming on.
• 1:00:53
  All coming on yeah and and I I I have to say first of all, the
• 1:00:57
  fact that we do it in a recording setting means that we
• 1:01:00
  can always work around people's schedules other than those few
• 1:01:03
  segments right, which are also pre recorded, but they're those
• 1:01:06
  need a little bit more management.
• 1:01:08
  This past year we did the car carpool comes its that was off
• 1:01:12
  the charts hysterical, hysterical amazing.
• 1:01:14
  You know, so like we really, we really, really yummy.
• 1:01:18
  Really pulls it off yummy. And is he the one that's calling
• 1:01:21
  all these people I'm talking about like Joey Newcomb?
• 1:01:23
  I don't know. Meaning, yes, it's him, it's
• 1:01:25
  Gabby Shawl, it's his team. Calling all these guys, getting
• 1:01:28
  them confirmed, making sure it happens, getting it done.
• 1:01:31
  And these and all these celebrities are giving their
• 1:01:33
  time towards the organization. They are.
• 1:01:35
  So they obviously respect what you're doing and they they
• 1:01:37
  believe in it. It's not like they're just
• 1:01:39
  coming on for nothing. I mean, it's amazing.
• 1:01:40
  Good. That's what we I do, so that's
• 1:01:42
  that. But I will tell you though, so
• 1:01:43
  several years ago when it happened, so I made sure that my
• 1:01:46
  friends joined. I called everybody I'm like, you
• 1:01:48
  got to just check it out. Remember we were talking about
• 1:01:50
  it and I was blown away. I'm like, OK, this is cool.
• 1:01:52
  You know we. Have over 1,000,000 views.
• 1:01:54
  Wow. Over a million unique IP address
• 1:01:56
  hits. OK.
• 1:01:58
  All right. So 22 of those are me and my
• 1:02:00
  friends, by the way. So we appreciate that.
• 1:02:02
  So when you did it, we were talking about supporting the
• 1:02:04
  organization and the conversation came up.
• 1:02:07
  Do they really need our money? They're getting millions of
• 1:02:10
  dollars. What do they need our money for?
• 1:02:12
  I love that question. And, and I have to tell you is
• 1:02:14
  that I met you at a wedding the night before you launched it.
• 1:02:18
  And I knew it was coming. And I asked you and I went over
• 1:02:20
  to you and I said, well, how does it work with all your
• 1:02:22
  funding? I've never seen someone so proud
• 1:02:25
  of their data in my life. He pulled out an iPad and he
• 1:02:29
  showed me and what you did with my QuickBooks, you showed me
• 1:02:32
  your QuickBooks account per case.
• 1:02:34
  He said if somebody wants to support sexual abuse victims of
• 1:02:38
  certain age groups, certain genders, certain territories, it
• 1:02:42
  can go and fund those groups. And you showed it to me and I
• 1:02:44
  was super impressed and we definitely help you reach your.
• 1:02:48
  Goal and by the way, and we appreciate that, by the way, my
• 1:02:50
  database now is much more robust.
• 1:02:52
  I I can track every piece of information from age.
• 1:02:56
  What are you using by the? What system are you?
• 1:02:57
  Using so this we're using Power BI, but we also built in an AI
• 1:03:00
  component to it as well. OK, we, we, we.
• 1:03:02
  What's the backbone? We're built off of Salesforce.
• 1:03:04
  Salesforce, we use Salesforce too.
• 1:03:06
  That's why I was curious. Living off Salesforce.
• 1:03:08
  But the way we did this is, for example, if there's an uptick in
• 1:03:10
  a certain zip code of a certain type of case category, we, we
• 1:03:13
  get alerted like the system was built to let us know so we can
• 1:03:16
  help with prevention or deal with something there.
• 1:03:18
  Like if there's a lot of overdoses in a certain zip code
• 1:03:20
  or within a certain community, you know, there's So we use the
• 1:03:24
  data really to a keep us on track because at the end of the
• 1:03:27
  day, it is charitable money that runs the organization.
• 1:03:31
  Up until COVID, anybody that died, died of an aneurysm,
• 1:03:35
  whether it was overdose or suicide.
• 1:03:37
  Now anyone that dies, died of the COVID vaccine.
• 1:03:41
  Not funny by the way, but I understand completely.
• 1:03:45
  Serious. I mean, it, It got to a point
• 1:03:49
  where, I mean, the medical examiner's office was like, no,
• 1:03:53
  we're not changing the death certificate to make you happy.
• 1:03:55
  Like the person died by suicide, they died by overdose.
• 1:03:59
  You know, they, I got my foot stuck in something here.
• 1:04:03
  Sorry, you know? But yeah, unfortunately for
• 1:04:08
  everyone you hear of, there's many, many more that we don't.
• 1:04:11
  That you don't hear? Is there a Jewish hotline for
• 1:04:14
  these types of situations for like suicide or something?
• 1:04:17
  So I'll tell you like this. There is a crisis text line that
• 1:04:20
  is run by the Crisis Tech Center that some Jewish organizations
• 1:04:23
  have their own unique code for you to text into it.
• 1:04:26
  But you're not getting a Jewish operator, you're not getting.
• 1:04:29
  We did open during COVID. We opened a crisis line.
• 1:04:33
  We fielded over 6000 calls and about seven months.
• 1:04:37
  It was amazing. It was great.
• 1:04:39
  I would love to launch it full time.
• 1:04:41
  Would love to. That just was cost prohibitive.
• 1:04:45
  We did it then therapists were able to.
• 1:04:47
  We only had licensed therapist answering phones.
• 1:04:49
  We had shifts, we had a whole call system.
• 1:04:50
  It's about $2,000,000 a year for that.
• 1:04:52
  Worth every penny. Worth every penny, but it's
• 1:04:55
  $2,000,000 a year. Well.
• 1:04:56
  Hopefully someone here. Anybody hears it, they want to
• 1:04:58
  cover the 2 million a year in memory of somebody or you know,
• 1:05:01
  honor of somebody. But to answer your question, in
• 1:05:03
  2023 we had 5149 clients. 2020 no, I'm sorry, 2024 the getting
• 1:05:11
  the years I'm looking at the wrong thing.
• 1:05:13
  The year before that was 4998, before that was 48863884 and I
• 1:05:19
  can. The numbers are.
• 1:05:19
  I can break it down. We've had 19,326 clients since
• 1:05:23
  we've started keeping track, which was 2015.
• 1:05:26
  And really it's not a real number because for the first few
• 1:05:30
  years, every family was considered one client.
• 1:05:33
  Meaning if we were dealing with parents, siblings, kids, they're
• 1:05:36
  it. It was just, it was one, right?
• 1:05:38
  Because we. Consider that one.
• 1:05:40
  The numbers are really a lot more.
• 1:05:42
  It's really closer to we actually ran those numbers too.
• 1:05:45
  It's about 42,000. We don't have the right as human
• 1:05:49
  beings to decide what is a crisis to somebody else.
• 1:05:52
  We do have the right to decide how we want to react to it,
• 1:05:55
  right? We have to time management,
• 1:05:57
  right? If I'm dealing with, you know,
• 1:06:00
  Leif to her in Guatemala and I'm flying there and I'm on the
• 1:06:02
  ground over there meeting with all the government agencies and
• 1:06:05
  trying to get, you know, things resolved.
• 1:06:06
  Did you? Of course, then, you know, then
• 1:06:10
  that's something that at that moment, that's my biggest
• 1:06:13
  emergency. And if I get a call about
• 1:06:14
  something else, but I also did something else which you've had
• 1:06:17
  when you called me, which is when you call my phone, if I
• 1:06:19
  don't answer, it rings to somebody else.
• 1:06:21
  I'd started that because people were calling me.
• 1:06:23
  They like to leave messages. People need to hear a friendly
• 1:06:25
  voice, anything with Amuddin, by the way, if you call Amuddin 24
• 1:06:27
  hours, seven days a week, there will be a human being answering
• 1:06:30
  the phone always. And that human being will have
• 1:06:33
  the ability to access somebody if there's a real emergency.
• 1:06:36
  But that's the way it's described.
• 1:06:39
  You ask what's crisis? That's my answer.
• 1:06:43
  I like that. That's right.
• 1:06:44
  I do like that we do have a tradition at the end of our
• 1:06:46
  podcast. But you're saying we're ending
• 1:06:49
  warmed up, OK. Yeah, we could keep going on
• 1:06:51
  forever. But but I love you so anything
• 1:06:53
  we'll have to do a Part 2 because I'm not.
• 1:06:55
  I barely said anything. This podcast, Yeah.
• 1:06:56
  But your being here keeps Kyman check, just saying.
• 1:07:00
  So then I shouldn't be here? We don't want Kyman check.
• 1:07:01
  Yeah, we do. We.
• 1:07:02
  No, no, no. We want raw, real, authentic.
• 1:07:05
  We're gonna talk about what happened, you know, in my house
• 1:07:07
  sometimes. Unless we go anyway.
• 1:07:10
  So one of the sorry, what we're. Talking about what?
• 1:07:12
  Yeah. Well, I think we will have a
• 1:07:14
  Part 2. It's VI enjoyed this a lot
• 1:07:16
  because we're just getting to know you and we have we do.
• 1:07:18
  Even get to talk about really amudem and what kind of cases
• 1:07:22
  you handle. Like why is this been shoved
• 1:07:24
  under the rug for so long? Like that really pisses me off.
• 1:07:27
  Like, you know, you had to Someone Like You had to get up
• 1:07:29
  and have to expose it and say, let's talk about it.
• 1:07:31
  Like, excuse me, that this world's around for 3 1/2
• 1:07:34
  thousand years. I'm pretty sure these problems
• 1:07:36
  were happening since the dawn of time.
• 1:07:39
  And how many people suffered? How many people didn't have the
• 1:07:42
  help they needed and how many families were ruined and how
• 1:07:45
  much lives were, were messed up because of it.
• 1:07:47
  And only now in 2014, like somebody said, hey, I think we,
• 1:07:51
  we ought to do. And, and by the way, you know,
• 1:07:54
  how many other things that are like this that have yet been
• 1:07:56
  uncovered that we haven't gotten to yet because everybody's just
• 1:07:59
  being close minded and what it's, it's really upsetting.
• 1:08:02
  It's really upsetting. Can I?
• 1:08:02
  Leave you off with a question. Yeah, please.
• 1:08:04
  I mean, I'm going to give you the answer.
• 1:08:05
  I'll give you the question and then the answer, right, Which is
• 1:08:08
  93% of all victims of sexual abuse are molested, what we call
• 1:08:13
  at home by a family member or a very, very close family friend
• 1:08:17
  that would be considered like a family member, parents,
• 1:08:20
  siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, brothers
• 1:08:22
  and sister in What is the pinnacle, the
• 1:08:40
  pivotal moment, the most awesome emotional, spiritual time of Yom
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  Kippur? Mihilo, right?
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  What is the holiest book that we as Jews read?
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  The Torah Book. Five Books of Moses, right?
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  What is? Yeah, I'm like I'm.
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  Like, oh, my nervous emergency, emergency.
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  Like, oh, no, we're trying to figure out that answer.
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  I don't know. We're doing well so far.
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  It almost seems like a trick question.
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  What is the last thing we read from the Torah before Nilo
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  Mintho Yom Kippur? What is the last thing we read
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  from the Torah? Master Yona, I don't know.
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  You got me. From the Torah.
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  I'm I'm reading a book. All the isorem about incest,
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  sexuality, parents relationships, inappropriate
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  relationships. Now let me ask you a question.
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  If it's the holiest time of the year, the holiest day of the
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  year, you're you're going up there saying God, you're about
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  to stamp me right? Stamp me for good.
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  Shouldn't we be reading about Shuva repentance?
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  Shouldn't be reading about being good to one another?
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  Explain to me why in God's earth, the last thing we're
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  reading from the Torah is the the topic that nobody wants to
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  discuss. So I'll give you my answer,
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  which is for that reason, you could be entering the holiest
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  time, the holiest day in the holiest place.
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  But you need to remember these things do happen.
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  And if God's not brushing it under the rug, why the hell are
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  we? Wow, OK.
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  Very powerful question, and we shouldn't be.
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  And thank God for people like you.
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  And we're trying. That, yeah, I have to say I know
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  you my whole life. And I just want to say publicly
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  thank you. I know you don't like to take
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  the credit. And it's everybody.
• 1:10:23
  Of course it's everybody. And it's not you.
• 1:10:24
  And you're a messenger and blah, blah, blah.
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  But ultimately it's your children, it's your wife, it's
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  your family. You know, you, you put yourself,
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  you know, in front of the dangers of what people aren't
• 1:10:36
  putting themselves in front of. People generally run away from
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  these type of things. You're running towards it.
• 1:10:41
  And what's good about you is that you know when to run and
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  when to bring in help and who to call in for that help.
• 1:10:47
  And, well, that's the. The real trick is, you know, I
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  will tell you just one thing, like my father taught me some of
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  the most valuable lessons and I'm just going to shoot them
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  quickly and then we can end off, which is the first lesson that I
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  will never forget is when I was 10 years old, we were walking to
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  Shoe on Shabbos. We lived on 9th and 56th.
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  Shoe was on 55th and 15th and Borough Park.
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  You're passing 32 shules to get to that one.
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  Shul we get to 14th Ave. was still a two way St. and there
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  was the walk and don't walk sign and the light went from don't
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  walk to walk. And I put my foot right into the
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  street and my father pulled me back and goes, what are you
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  doing? You need to look both ways.
• 1:11:22
  And I said TA, I have the right of way.
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  And he looks me straight in the face and goes and they're going
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  to write on your matceva. And he had the right of way.
• 1:11:31
  And that is called being dead right.
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  You don't always have to be dead right.
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  So that was one very important lesson.
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  That's good, I like that way. That's why I like sharing it
• 1:11:42
  because it's beautiful. Another very important lesson
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  was when people are in crisis, they will call multiple people.
• 1:11:49
  That's just how people act. That's human nature.
• 1:11:51
  If you're going to put yourself out there to help somebody, you
• 1:11:54
  don't have the right to put your ego in front and say, well, you
• 1:11:57
  called so and so, don't call me. No, you could say to the person,
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  I'm willing to help you with this.
• 1:12:03
  If there's others involved, it might make it more complicated,
• 1:12:05
  but you do what you want you but that you can express.
• 1:12:08
  But there is no ego. There is no room for ego and
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  you're helping other people. And there's no such thing as
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  money. There is no getting paid for a
• 1:12:18
  favor. And I will tell you this will be
• 1:12:20
  for Part 2, but there were certain instances in my life
• 1:12:23
  where there was investigations into me, including potential
• 1:12:29
  indictments around the fact that I was accused of or assumed to
• 1:12:35
  have taken money, which I never did, which is why it never went
• 1:12:38
  anywhere. And so not only is it a good
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  lesson because it's a good lesson, it also keeps you out of
• 1:12:43
  trouble. So when you say to me which
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  jail, the answer is none. I don't want to go.
• 1:12:48
  I don't look good in orange, little white boy, not
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  interested. I don't belong in jail.
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  But these are some very valuable, you know.
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  I appreciate that, Steve. So before we wrap it off again,
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  thank you everybody for listening.
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  person to think of who would be a great guest on our podcast,
• 1:13:14
  after sitting here and enjoying hopefully this conversation, who
• 1:13:18
  do you think you would be able to pick out of a hat?
• 1:13:21
  My father. I'm not kidding.
• 1:13:24
  I'm I'm serious right now. There was a point during this
• 1:13:27
  podcast. I mean, why the heck are we
• 1:13:28
  talking to this guy? Like how do we get how do we get
• 1:13:31
  Edgar Gluck? Let's do it.
• 1:13:33
  Get Edgar Glock on the how. About we do it with you and him.
• 1:13:36
  The Godfather How do we get the Godfather?
• 1:13:38
  You think he would need to? Send a car to go get him.
• 1:13:40
  What do we need to do? Yes.
• 1:13:42
  OK, we'll send him a car. What do you like to eat?
• 1:13:45
  We'll have it in the He's never done.
• 1:13:46
  Can I call him and ask him? Absolutely.
• 1:13:48
  He's never done it. Call him up and ask him I.
• 1:13:50
  Will speak. Wow, I'm asking him live.
• 1:13:52
  Ask him live. That's OK, The lightning round
• 1:13:56
  may not be working with. The part is this is going to
• 1:13:58
  work so you don't have to put them on speaker yet.
• 1:14:02
  I'm not putting you on speakerphone, but I am in the
• 1:14:04
  middle of being recorded on a podcast and I'm calling to ask
• 1:14:09
  you a question. And this is not phone a friend
• 1:14:12
  and this is not a lifeline. Would you be willing to join me
• 1:14:18
  on this podcast and share some of your stories, background,
• 1:14:23
  history, accomplishments with me?
• 1:14:27
  OK, says yes. Wow, that was easy.
• 1:14:31
  That's amazing. OK, OK.
• 1:14:32
  Now I'll tell you who it's with. No, I won't.
• 1:14:35
  Leave it as a surprise. Leave it as a surprise, OK?
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  Tati, I love you. I'll talk to you soon.
• 1:14:39
  We love you too. Goodbye.
• 1:14:42
  All right, that's a wrap, everybody.
• 1:14:43
  Thank you for joining. Have a great day.