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#666 - Marlon Craft - "The Internet Killed The Neighborhood", On The Radar Cypher, Mamdani, NYC & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Bole Cat Podcast special guests in here my guy Marlon Kraft, Sir,
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: he is back.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you man, you too, man, always good
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  Speaker 2: to see you bro. Yes, the new album is out.
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  Speaker 2: It's been crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Gabe and on the radar because it's
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  Speaker 1: been interesting to see people treat you like you're like
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: a brand new artist that like just came out of
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: nowhere off that freestyle like yo, my got.
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  Speaker 2: Low key like a young og. Now like you've been
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  Speaker 2: putting it work. Donk you thank you. You're one of
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  Speaker 2: the You're one of the few that know and that
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  Speaker 2: have always been showing love. So it's it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: cool dichotomy right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be kind of cool though, like because
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  Speaker 1: also like a lot of the people who are in
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  Speaker 1: that cipher were also very like just super like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I would say they're kind of like the new class
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  Speaker 1: of like the underground, you know, dope shit. And then
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: then you're in the mix and you've been doing your thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got numbers on the bro, you got
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've been doing.
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  Speaker 2: This, you know what I mean I mean that yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: it was it was actually really really cool because I
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: just realized, man, what a blessing it is to still
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: be up next this many years in and watching all
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  Speaker 2: these people discover me, and then also watching my fans
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  Speaker 2: be like you never heard of Marlin. Here's where you start.
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  Speaker 2: I do da da da da da da, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like that's really cool to see and just
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  Speaker 2: getting put on like some of those guys I was
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  Speaker 2: familiar with, but it was actually you could even feel
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  Speaker 2: it in the cipher, like some of the guys been
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  Speaker 2: like Yo, I've been waiting to wrap with you, or
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  Speaker 2: like like yo, you're You're a legend, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. Like that was there was real respect. They've
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  Speaker 2: been like watching my ship for a long time. And
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  Speaker 2: I could tell some of the guys like never didn't
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  Speaker 2: know me from a campaign and then you wrapped in
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  Speaker 2: they were like oh shit, yeah yeah. So it was cool.
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  Speaker 2: Like even within the group there was that dichotomy. It
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  Speaker 2: was pretty much split down the middle. So I guess
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of like the Marlin story. But it's cool.
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  Speaker 2: We're at this point now where we're breaking through that
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  Speaker 2: to like get that other fifty percent on board, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: For you, man, you've always had a level of political
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  Speaker 1: awareness and political commentary in your music. This feels like
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  Speaker 1: a very very specifically motivated project. I mean the theme
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  Speaker 1: throughout the album I think is very like it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a sign of the times ran And by that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean like there's like the polymarket caushi culture and
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  Speaker 1: like this weird like microwavable culture where people don't really
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  Speaker 1: have beliefs and they put monetary gain over their own
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  Speaker 1: moral compass. And what would you for anybody who hasn't
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  Speaker 1: heard the album, what would you say is like the
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  Speaker 1: main inspiration behind the Internet killed the neighborhood, Man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're starting to lay it out pretty well
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  Speaker 2: right there. I mean, yeah, I just feel like, obviously
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  Speaker 2: there's this more specific interpretation of these tenets of community
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: and mentorship and camaraderie and sort of a village of
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  Speaker 2: people where you know, our humanity is rooted and looking
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  Speaker 2: out for one another on some basic level, and I
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  Speaker 2: see that just eroding and deteriorating based off of social
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  Speaker 2: media and the Internet and all this stuff. But then
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  Speaker 2: there's also kind of like what does that mean at
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  Speaker 2: large in the world, Like everything that's going on, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on a global scale, and the times that we're in
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: even with the as we're just kind of at the
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  Speaker 2: dawn of even more and more technology, like on the
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  Speaker 2: precipice of in the next ten years, like what does
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  Speaker 2: that mean for our collective humanity and what do we
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  Speaker 2: care about? And in the album it was sort of
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  Speaker 2: like there's this personal story of me coming of age,
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: like kind of really growing into a man, working on
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: this project over the course five six years and finding
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  Speaker 2: out things about myself and shit. But then in that context,
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  Speaker 2: so like looking out the window, everything that's going on,
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  Speaker 2: where do I sit in it? You know, it's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a pretty dense. It's a pretty dense record.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, do.
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  Speaker 1: You feel like cause you're from House Kitchen, right yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which is turned into like a pretty viby neighborhood. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's food there, there's like there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of gay shit going on hill. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like a new gay epicenter because
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  Speaker 2: like Chelsea, which is directly self it's your areas right
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  Speaker 2: there too, right off, bro, And like so a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the gay population moved up from Chelsea, so that's
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  Speaker 2: like a big, you know thing that people know and
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  Speaker 2: understand as a culture appicenter for the neighborhood now and
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  Speaker 2: it's just like a lot of restaurants, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: it's great food over there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How do you how would you kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: based on how you grew up in that area to now,
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  Speaker 1: what is I guess the negative drawbacks you feel like
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  Speaker 1: of how the neighborhood is kind of I would I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's been gentrified, but how it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of evolved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, man, bro, people just getting displaced like crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, my friends that aren't either in government housing
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  Speaker 2: or won some type of lottery apartment in one of
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  Speaker 2: these new fancy buildings, like most of them been displaced.
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  Speaker 2: They're all on Jersey now or they're being you know,
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  Speaker 2: moved out of the place where they grew up. Because
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  Speaker 2: it's just people coming in and driving up price. But
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  Speaker 2: that's also like culturally, that's kind of the whole city, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And that's really the whole city. Like it's just emblematic
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  Speaker 2: of the whole city. The places in the city where
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  Speaker 2: it's really hit the most. I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: just like all these people that have come in. You
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  Speaker 2: always had people moving to new York. But they were
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  Speaker 2: moving to New York to try more often to try
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  Speaker 2: to contribute to the fabric of like culture or the art.
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  Speaker 2: So they came with like a dream to do something
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  Speaker 2: right now. They come to like do finance and hang
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  Speaker 2: out and do like year four through eight of their
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  Speaker 2: college experience and just run around and they want the
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  Speaker 2: cultural draw of New York. But then they simultaneously kind
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  Speaker 2: of like evaporate it with their presence and they're not
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  Speaker 2: really so that that's kind of you know, what happens
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  Speaker 2: a lot. And yeah, it's sad. I think people that
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  Speaker 2: are from there really feel like very castaway, disregarded, disenfranchised.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, but I see that happened in cities across
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  Speaker 2: the world. Honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting too because if you think of like
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  Speaker 1: I saw, there's like a serious amount of the higher
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  Speaker 1: end real estate that is purchased in obviously that raises
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  Speaker 1: the the overall cost of housing by people who don't
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  Speaker 1: even like like who are barely even there, like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of foreign nationals, a lot of billionaires, they just
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  Speaker 1: got their pet house. Yeah, and it cranks up the
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  Speaker 1: prices for everybody else, and like these motherfuckers aren't even around.
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  Speaker 2: It's such an expensive place to be now, Like I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's just crazy. It's And then you could say that
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  Speaker 2: these cultural tenets of like the New York I grew
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  Speaker 2: up in, are in some ways more prominent than ever,
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  Speaker 2: right because everything's like a New York meme on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's like, you know, Tim's dis and chop cheese that
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  Speaker 2: and like, you know, everything that's going on. But it's
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  Speaker 2: it's just kind of been co opted and commodified and
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  Speaker 2: it just feels very like in weird tastes sometimes. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that's.
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  Speaker 1: This was where how we feeling about Zorn. It's over
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  Speaker 1: there showing motherfuckers how to govern.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like I'm fucking with dude. Man, I'm rocking
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: with dude.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just glad because you know, I'm a Bernie bruh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've donated money to Bernie Sanders, I've volunteered
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  Speaker 1: for him. But I've been extremely like disenfranchised by the
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 2: For a very long time.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's useless, to be honest, but to see democratic
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  Speaker 1: socialism working in the biggest city in the world, I'm like, yo,
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: what do we do is look at He's balanced the
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: budget in like fucking six months.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: It's mad inspiring and it's and it's it's also just
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: kind of showing these moderate democrat uh absolutists that don't
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: want to move along, you can't really claim anymore that
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: sort of bullshit pragmatism that they would claim, where it
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: was like, no, we can't get so crazy with these
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: type of policies and these type of issues. We want
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: to do that, but we can't because we have to
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  Speaker 2: just be would actually just hold on to a seat
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: in power, and yeah, we have to you know, appease
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: our donors, right special interest that backed us to get here.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: But he's kind of proving that, actually, this is what
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: the future if you guys hope, because you guys have just
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: been getting smacked around taking l's for the last however
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: many years, leading us to where we've been now with
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: no backbone, and so like, actually, this is where the
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: future is if you want to have any future as
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: a party, Like, this is is where it lies. So definitely, no,
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: it's cool and it's funny being kid from Sick because
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: like one of my best friends went to high school
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: with him, Like I know a bunch of people that
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: that no, dude, because it's like New York's small like that,
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: we're like the same age, so it's very it's personally
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: inspiring to me to see the type of like conviction
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: that he's moved with and the authenticity that he's retained,
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: and most importantly, just the things that he's doing.
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: You know, and a former MC I heard about that.
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: You didn't watch his music video.
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch it because I was I didn't want
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: to be colored either way that ship you to be
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: like yeah that shit. Yeah, I just and you know,
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: it's all in good fun, but I'm just more it's
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  Speaker 2: not bad. Yeah, it's fine. I didn't I just didn't
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  Speaker 2: peep it because I was so excited at the time.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: He's in the Halal truck with no shirt on and
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: like the bib like making food and ship like rapping
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: about his grandma's It's not bad.
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: That's it's a dope visual. I'll have to check it out.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: I have to check it out. I didn't peep it
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  Speaker 2: because I don't know. I was just like sometimes I
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: just be like, I'm good when.
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: He re runs he should do it on the Radar
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  Speaker 1: freestyle that would go crazy.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: But see that this is where like you got to
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: draw the line somewhere because that's like you see my
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: eyes light up. We work where we work, and we
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: always think like the marketing of something or whatever. Uh,
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: and that would be like a brilliant idea and it
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: would go crazy. But then at some point it's like
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  Speaker 2: this is how I feel about the Internet right now,
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: and everything's like, guys, we gotta be serious. At some point,
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: we gotta No one's gonna draw the lines for us,
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: like your role is viral is the ultimate dogma right now.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: So it was a certain point it's like Trump just
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: used Drake's album cover as a meme. This is what
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. You become unseerious.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: And we've also been desensitized to foolishness where it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: at what point in time is like if you're a professional,
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: like be a professional.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's my whole shit right now, to
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: be honest, and I feel like that maybe is why
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: things don't explode for me more like career wise, because
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  Speaker 2: it's just like that's kind of the It's like I'm
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: a serious I'm the serious guy. Yeah, Like but actually
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: people that know me know I'm actually like funny and
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: I'll be fucking around people that are actually close to me,
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: and they're always telling me, like, you got to show
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  Speaker 2: people more, you know what I mean, like this side
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  Speaker 2: of yourself and whatever, blah blah, and I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not thinking about what I got to
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  Speaker 2: show people. I'm trying to like make art, be masterful
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: with what I do, keep growing at like, and I
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: feel like those are important things to represent in this
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: time because they're just like dying off. So I don't know,
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: I hate being that like guy though, Like that's like
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like the line in the sand guy. I'm like
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: reflecting right now with myself. All Right.
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  Speaker 1: On your album, you had a line about nihilism and
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: how the check is good if you're a nihilist. Essentially,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: have you gotten to a point where you like, what
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: is like a specific example, just because you've been in
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: the music industry for so long where you had maybe
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to maybe make a financially lucrative move or decision,
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: but it didn't sit well with your moral compass.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: Oh man, it's hard to think off the top of
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: something really specific, because I just feel like every day
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: I wake up and think about shit that could go viral,
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: Like a content idea that I feel like is a
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: little corny but I know it would go viral, or
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: just thinking about what my compass is when I'm creating,
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Am I thinking about how to go viral? Or am
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: I thinking listening to what's in my soul and what
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to create and what I think it's important
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  Speaker 2: to say. And living like that all the time is
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: really exhausting, And that's I guess where like it's hard
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: to stay in that, especially when there's this imperative to
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: like reach new audiences like whatever. So constantly I'm like, man,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: I could do this, I could try, like you know,
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: like I'm a really good songwriter, Like I could do sessions.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that shoulders record on your album is thank you Man,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you Man.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: I wrote that the last time, the last time I
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: was here and I saw you like the day before.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: But I could like be writing songs for other people
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: and like make my agenda as an artist more into
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: like a product manufacturing where I'm like trying to you know,
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  Speaker 2: But it's just not how I view are And I'm
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: not necessarily judging anybody else that does that. There's it's
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: just it's just not me. Like, that's just not how
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: I roll. So I'm constantly like living in that. And yeah,
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: it's hard because I gotta I gotta make bread and
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: I gotta. But sometimes I have this like greater belief
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  Speaker 2: that if I stay true to what it is that
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  Speaker 2: I'm about, that I'll be rewarded better in the long
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  Speaker 2: run then down the line. Yeah, that's what I tell myself.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think sometimes I that that can
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  Speaker 1: I see people get rewarded like all the time. It
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: kind of just stay kind of ten toes down. But
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like like you said, it's
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: like I feel like you gotta find a balance because a.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Guy like you know who prof is, Yeah, I've heard
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: of Prof. He's dope.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: He's from Minneapolis, underground rapper forever, and you just start
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: he's like a funny dude. Yeah, and he just started
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: kind of like leaning into his funniness to get people
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: to watch him rap. Yeah, and it like kind of
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: works because it's but it's his personality. Like if you
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: know Prof, you kind of know he's Like, I feel
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: like you're You're kind of perceived by your fans to
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: be a serious person. So if you started to kind
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: of do more comedically angled stuff, people be like, what
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: is Marlon doing? This isn't Marlon You like your your
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: core fans to be that, what the fuck are you doing?
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I you know, like I don't know what that
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: looks like for me, and I don't know. I'm not
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: super familiar with Prop. So he's dope. He's done speaking
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: his things super but I think like with me, it's
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: just like I ain't trying to trick people. That's what's
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: so hard about this day and age. You know, It's
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: like I'm not I'm not trying to trick motherfuckers into
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: like listening to my shit. I'm not trying to bamboozle
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: you into like I'm so jealous of my favorite artists
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: that every time they post anything, like they don't got
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: to think about Kendrick Lamar or Asap Rock, you have
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: to think about the algorithm. They just make something that
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: they think is incredibly dope, and whatever they post, everyone's
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: like it's an event, right, and like the imperative to
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: figure out I mean, they don't even show your stuff
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: to your own fans, So you gotta figure out a
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: way that you could like hook people in and you
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: can what I make, So you got one of those groups.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: It's like a community on Instagram where you like, yeah,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: you could be in there. And I got I have
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: this community called the Center of like people that subscribe
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: to me, and we're gonna move it to Patreon shortly
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: and do the Patreon thing because I think, like, for me,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to aggregate the people that fuck with me
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: as much as possible outside of the algorithm, so I
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: can have a direct line on them. And it's like, Yo,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: here's like the stuff that's actually dope, here's the art,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: here's the work, And I'm down to be more abundant,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: like I'm down to if I know I'm serving people
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that really like appreciate it and will take from it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I'm down to be like, oh cool, I'll do one
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: freestyle a month for y'all. I'll do something like that,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: But I'm not finna fucking drop four videos a week
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: maybe in my twenties, like you know, Like I mean,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I started with the craft styles, bro, Like that's how
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I got on, and so back then it was like
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: once a month or whatever. But I kind of like,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I kind of low key was a big part of
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: this DIY era thing stuck in the beginning. And they
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: told me then like it was this whole stigma where
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: we had to get past it where it was like, yeah,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: but you're not a real artist, you know what I mean,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Because you're just DIY in your room on your phone
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: and setting this up so you might have fans, Yeah,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: you'd have people call you like a YouTube brat. That
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: was a thing. And I didn't double down on any
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: of that stuff then any like, because I was so
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: busy trying to like, no, I want people to take
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: my art seriously. I don't want to be seen as
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: like a whatever. And now everybody's a YouTube rapper, bro,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: everyone's DIY. It's the world, man. You make something high
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: production value. It won't even no one will even see it.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: But you do it on your phone. You're lit. No,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: that's true.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: It's like the higher like if you have a Sony
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: red camera and you spend this time, you know, putting
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: all this effort individuals.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: And someone shoots some shit on their phone. That's what
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, bro, And that's the shit that I don't
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: know what it is.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: We're like I always I hear people saying all the time,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: like the ROI on music video these days, it's like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you'd rather take that money and shoot like thirty shorts
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: or reels or some shit to promote your song.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: But we gotta exactly but this is the battle that
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: you we talked about with the question you asked me before,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: is like I run my whole shit and I see
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the game like everybody else, So I know what would
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: be the most economically efficient and what would be the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: quote unquote like smartest. You know what I'm saying, but
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: what I but I got to sit there and think
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: about how to distribute my funds and what I really
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: want to make and what I want people to feel
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and whatever, and then balance that with like, okay, about
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: how many, you know, things do we need to have?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: So that's that's the trying, because it would be so
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: much easier. My goal is just get bigger anyway anyhow.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's how stuff is designed in media
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: right now and in most of just American capitalism is
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: get bigger, get more by any means necessary, don't evaluate
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: like what it's doing to the integrity of anything. And
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: if that was my agenda, we be out of here, cav,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: we'd be out of here. It just feels like that
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: would be so so much easier, Like I could get it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I could wrap five times a week on it. This
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: is what I do, right, you know, But it's just
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't feel connected to that, Like, you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: how are you feeling.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I haven't been this excited for playoffs since the Sun's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: are in the finals. I'm a Suns fan, but we
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: got the Calves in the Knicks in the Eastern Conference finals.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It just feels real like nineteen ninety five ish, like on,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: even though the Calves back then were that great, but
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: these are, like, you know, it's kind of crazy to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: see the Nicks in the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm gonna
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: give all credit to WW wrestler Dan Housen, who uncursed
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you guys.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: But uh, how are you feeling? Man?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: As a Knicks fan, You've been banging the set forever, man,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: so I can only imagine it's like, finally.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've banged the set forever, and I'm I'm feeling
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: really good. The only reason I'm not wearing a Nex
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: jersey it's literally in the car. But I just like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I've been doing all these interviews and I keep wearing
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Knicks gear because it's what I and I'm just like, yeah,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I can't be in the next thing in every single one,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: So I literally but I'm I'm, I'm here. I'm hyped.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: It feels good because I mean, I'm almost getting that
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to that point of like cautious optimism right now because
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: we're rested. We look like we've really figured something out
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: with you know, taking Cat and putting him on the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: nail and letting him operate from there. Offensively. He's back
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: playing really good defense now the defense is locked in.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: If OG's hamstring holds up, I just feel good about
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: us against anybody. I just feel like the West, those
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: two teams, they're tough. No, did you watch the game
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: last night? I was on the plane. It was going
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: in and out. I was watching the Monstars play.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Dude, yeah, Victor Woman Yan is like a fucking I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: feel like we're cooked for the NBA is cooked for
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the next eight years because it's going to be the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Spurs and the Thunder.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: These motherfuckers are all twelve years old. That's how the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: way I felt watching it was like, Yo, the thought
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I actually had, Bros. I was like, we better get
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: this shit. Dylan Harper's a rookie. I get this shoot
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: because because after that, like Wemby, Wemby is gonna be
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: like as long unless it's like a couple of years
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: he gets.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, bro, No, it's wild. And then
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the Thunder have all those picks still pressed. These Jesus
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: like it's like every time they hit the apron, they'll
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: just trade. All right, lou Dort, your time to go.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna draft someone else. It's gonna be.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: It's we don't match up terrible with the Thunder though,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: like I mean, sorry with the with the Spurs, like
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: they're their matches. They have no one for Wemby. I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: mean like it's it's but we I mean, I know
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: regular season doesn't mean ship. But we matched up well
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: with the Spurs in the regular season when we played
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: who was gardening Mitch? You have Mitch, but he's but
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you can't keep him in the fourth quarter. You have
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Mitch but but but Og is one of those guys
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: that can give trouble to like do what they're trying
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to do with Caruso. But actually that's what I'm saying.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, he's still put up forty two points. Yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: we have we have we have uh, Mitch, we have
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: O g and hold his own and then if if
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Kat is playing defensive way he's been playing the last
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: few weeks, I mean, I worry about foul trouble. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: worry about that with the Cavs, with their two big guys.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm always worried about foul trouble. Do you
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: feel like because.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: You were I don't know how much of a fan
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you were of Tibbs, but I feel like it was
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: kind of a you know, it probably deserved it to stay.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you guys are in the Eastern Conference finals,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: so something obviously Mike Brown is you know, also a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: well traveled guy.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: My opinion, well, it's funny. It's like I've watched a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: lot of times this year and I'll be like, damn, TIBs,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: all you had to do was put Landry Shaman in
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the rotation and you'd be here. Like I think he
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: did it. I think everyone was pretty pleased with him.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: But he just really wouldn't budge on the rotation issue
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: of like playing the same six guys seven guys so.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Much like fucking thirty six minutes, forty minutes forever.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens obviously this year. But I
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: will say, we're in the conference finals and we're rested,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and we've been resting for a week. When we got
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: to the conference finals last year, we were destroyed. So
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I mean that to me, that was this It was
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: like a single issue thing. But I got love for
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: TIBs and what he did for us. I think he's
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a great coach, but it was like he was dogmatic
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: about that one thing.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, very I feel like he's a polarizing guy
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: because you see some players be like like I remember
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: when Michael Bridges complained yea, and I was like that guy,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: if iron Man's.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Complaining about how much he has to play, I never
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: missed the game, you know what I mean. So I
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's hard to say. I mean, I think
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: he's a great coach, but I also think it worked out. Yeah, yeah,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you know we're gonna well, we're gonna sae.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Mark Jackson was a great coach, and then Steve Kirk
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: came in, you know what I mean. So it's like
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that's I'm hoping that's the trajectory that we're on. Man,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I'm getting nervous now, you're making me nervous, but I'm
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I love the next bro. And also like I I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: talking next with you because because we always talked basketball
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and whatever. But it's like I'm not even gonna talk
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: next with certin people more because people are so dogmatic,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Like I've had too many bad experiences where like, you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I bleed this shit right it means it matters like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: so much to me, and like the internet be I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: don't want to be fodder for like people to talk
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: about the Knicks and my fan be testing me and
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: all this bullshit. It's like, bro, I really do this,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't want to hear about it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So I'm like even lately, I'm like people like, let's
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: talk about the Knicks.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, are you gonna spend your own hard earned
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: dollars to go to a finals game if they make it?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you know what's fucked up. One
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: of my best friends hit me this morning. He called
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: me twice and then he hit me like what are
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you doing tonight? What's up? Where are we at? And
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I call him back.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: He's like, bro, I got Game one tickets, I got
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the suite from my job.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Let's go. We're going to the game. I'm like, bro,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I'm in fucking la. Now you wouldn't you want to
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: go to the finals? But I the finals. I think
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: my dad was like talking about it and he was like,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I'm already like seeing what the deal is. I'm thinking
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: about it. I think, especially if it was me and
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: my dad, you gotta stay because my dad, you know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: like he's been a fan since sixty nine, in seventy
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: seventy two. So last night they were like, he's indoctrinated
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: me into this, and it's always been something that we've
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: shared that's really special, you know, to us in our relationship.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So for us to go like if you know, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I you know, I'm trying to get my money back
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: off of this album. You know what I'm saying. I
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: put a lot into it. I don't have the worst
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: thing that could ever happen.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I spent good money to see the Suns in the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: finals because I was like, I gotta go to one
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of these games.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got fucking smoked.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And I was like, if there's the worst the worst
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: feeling in the world is paying good money to go
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: watch your team and they get fucking molly wopped, or
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: even if they lose a close one, it just it
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just suck.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: That's how I always feel. And it's so fun to
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: like watch at home or watch with people that I'm
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: always like, but I want to fill that energy one
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: time for sure. It's it's it's it is, It's there.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: But if if you spend im, you spend like a
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars and then they get clapped by.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: People start losing by the third quarter or some shit,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: You're like, why what the fuck?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: You know you write down, but I'm down. I gotta
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: see what the money looking like. But we'll see.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're You're like, are you a football fan too?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Are you strictly basketball? Like, what's your fandom with other sports?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Is it just Knicks or I'm a Jets fan.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But I'll be I'll be totally honest with you, like
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: being a Knicks fan took all my emotional capacity.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: As I said, you ever get to the point because
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I'm an Arizona sports fan. So I am a Cardinal
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: fan and a Suns fan. Yeah, and so I don't
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: know how many offseasons me and my best friends have
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the conversation like why do we do this?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: We don't owe the team. This ship will suck the
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: life out of me for like a week.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so emotionally invested in some ship that I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: can't even fucking control.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And every year I'm like, what should stop watching? That's
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: how yo. There was a lot of years like that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: with the Knicks, you know, like that's how you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: But that's how I am with the Jets. I'll be honest, like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I don't really because I just don't. I'm busy guy, bro,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And then the Knicks game are enough. I'm Aankee fan
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: every year though, I'm like, I'm gonna really tap in
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: with the Yankees this year, and then I'm always just
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: like super busy. But I grew up when they were
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: winning all those chips in the nineties, in the last nineties,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: so you know, I'm a Yankee, I'm I'm Nick's Yankees Jets.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if I'm being honest, I'm really just tapped
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: in with the Knicks.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Have you thought about doing a home court Advantage three
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and what would be the basketball flip for the cover
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: because you had the Slam magazine, Yeah, the NBA Street Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought I've you know, to be honest,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: those were so fun. But I also think part of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: what this album was for me is me. You know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I did all those side projects, experimenting with these different
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: parts of my sound and who I am, and I
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: feel like on this project it represents kind of me
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: stepping into my own sonically and who I am and graduation.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: It's a graduation and I'm like, Yo, this is kind
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of where I am now. I feel grown up, and
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I feel like I just want to keep pushing myself
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: musically and creatively further and further. So I don't know
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: that it doesn't mean I'm never gonna like bar out
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: on some straight rap shit.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I feel like the song making on
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the New album is the best you've ever had it
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like dialed in melodically, You're dialed in on a new level.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Like, thank you man, the production is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: producer on a lot of stuff and almost all of.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: It BUT i give so much credit to first of,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: All Dan, edinburgh my big, homie who's playing bass almost the,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: records but also produce like eight of them and really
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: help me like mold everything. Sonically he's an incredible. Musician
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: my big Homie sly Fifth av who's incredible horn. Player
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: he used to play With prince and all this crazy,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: shit and he did all the horn, arrangements the flute.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Arrangements so you, KNOW i had some incredible people THAT
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: i worked with on this, project and a ton of,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: musicians BUT i was very hands on with. Everything, yeah
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: hours and hours and. Hours AND i realized THAT i
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: have to say that, Now LIKE i used to be more, like,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: hey if it's got The marlocraft name on, IT i
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: really want everyone else to just shine and the produce.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Whatever BUT i started to get older and realized that
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: people would sometimes ask me questions that would show like
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: they would ask me things, like, oh do you do
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the track listing? Yourself like do you pick? Where And
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: i'm like the track list, Shit i'm, like, Bro i'm
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: like secrets in the whole Time i'm in every, Session
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: i'm really like Con i'm like, so and then your
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: artist doesn't do, that by the, WAY i don't.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: KNOW i want to know the rapper that just you,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: know the label, says, hey by the, way here's the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: order of your.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Song, YEAH i don't, know BUT i realized. Too. Man
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: it's Like i'm starting to get. Older you talked about
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: this woman WHEN i came. In You you're wearing so many,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: hats doing so much, shit AND i, realized, like, hey, man,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: like hopefully you know your career in this thing is.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: LONG i might want to do some of these things
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: for other people at some, point like executive producing someone else's.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Ship i'll be, Here So i'm, LIKE i got to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: give myself my credits WHEN i when they're, deserved so
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: THAT i can show what my resume really.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Is you, know if you could executive produce another MC's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: album within, reason obviously you obviously Say JAY z or.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY i, Mean i'm not to say that that's not
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: within reason for, you but just like you, know at
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: this very, moment that's a realistic.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Goal who you think would be dope you could just
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: just just lock in. With it would be somebody really,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Young like it would be something THAT i really felt
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: LIKE i could, contribute because you, Know i'm really tapped
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: in with a lot of the young MC's In New.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: York and especially for this live band Residency i've been
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: doing WHERE i bring a lot of them out to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: spit as guests and everything like, that and So i'm you,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: know getting more tapped in AND i try to be
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a mentor WHERE i can and just be. Around But
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: i'd be seeing shit And i'm, like, ah, man LIKE
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: i could hear them on. THIS i could if, like
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: IF i could executive produce an, ALBUM i THINK i
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: could get the music to a higher. Level i'm not
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: exactly sure like who, specifically BUT i would want to
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: do it in a way that gives back THAT i
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: could really help somebody level up rather than, like obviously
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: it would be fun for me to do for Like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: jay Or knives Or kendrick or, somebody but they don't
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: really need. Me i'd rather contribute to somebody coming.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Up The Analog man record is special. Joint obviously it
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: was the lead the lead single for the, album right,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: YEAH i think we just showed first and Then Analog
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Analog man record is, Incredible thank you.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Man how do you get The havoc? Beat? Like what
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: is how does? That do you pick from a? Pack do? You? Guys?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Like what is he does he pull up you guys
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: work on it, Together, like what's what's the process like?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Working we Have so he's only ever sent me two.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Beats we have two, Songs Hans zimmer and Analog. Man
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: for Analog, MAN i had been connected WITH Methi, man
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: so we were gonna try to do the record that
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: we ended up, doing The Muggsy bogues, record BUT i
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: had Hit he was, like let's do. SOMETHING i want
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to do, something And i'm like, Cool SO i hit
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: have AND i was, like, yo me And meth want
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: to do. Something could you cook up for us? Whatever
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and he was like, Bad i'm gonna cook. Up so
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: he sent me that beat the next day and that
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: was like this is like twenty three maybe or twenty
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: four and then AND i was, like, yo this is.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Crazy and THEN i started writing to. It and then
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the next day he hit me up and was, Like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: yo did you send it To meth? Yet AND i
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: was like, nah and he was LIKE i think you.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: SHOULD i think you should carry that one, Yourself LIKE
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: i think you should just keep that record for. Yourself
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: so that's what happened with, that and it was just
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the loop and Then i've then we added all the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: instrumentation all the other ship and he always like in
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: both of those, instances he sent me the stems and,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: like let me do my, thing which is really. Cool so,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: yeah it just but it's definitely not a pack like
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it's very like intentional in one. Offee i've met him
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: in person only one, time but, yeah so that's. Fire
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: what what for?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: You do you feel like there's there's been a point
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: in the last five or six years where you've just
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: kind of felt like society has kind of broken, Itself
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: like you had that line about like people like you
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: could be on the rocket ship With elon and you're, good, like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: YEAH i feel LIKE i don't know where it. HAPPENED
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: i don't know if it was DURING, COVID i don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: know if it was. Before it just feels like there's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: like a certain point in time where just we've we've
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: kind of broken as a. Society AND i don't know
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: if it's THE ai, shit, yea you, know there's so
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: much things you could point. To is there anything for
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you personally where you were just, like, yeah what the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: fuck is going on right?
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: NOW i feel that, Way LIKE i resonate with that really.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: DEEPLY i feel an immense loneliness and, solitude and solitude
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: in my complete disconnection principally from where we're headed as
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a society and the shit that we seem to. Value
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and the hardest part about it, IS i think a
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: lot of. People that's not in judgment of a lot of,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: people BECAUSE i think a lot of people are adhering
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: to some shit that's not truly who they are or
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: even who they feel they, are because we're just, adapting,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: yeah like they have, to you, Know, Yeah AND i
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: feel that way about, myself even LIKE i feel a
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: lot of shame in HOW i watch myself engage with
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: social media and stuff like that While i'm levying these
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: critiques against it and just operating in a way THAT
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: i feel like is beneath the standard THAT i want for.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Myself but it's just so hard with all these addictive
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: things going, on and then when you stop for a
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: moment to be, present to not fall into the pit of.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Despair you think you want to be an educated, person
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you want to be up on, Things it's, like all,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: right we'll try reading the paper every day and see
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: how that does for your. Psyche because what's going on
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: is in the world it's just. Brutal BUT i think
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: that the things that we seem to value there seems
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: you talk about a breaking.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Point there seems to be this allegiance to just bigness
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: without the value that that bigness, espouses like.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Fame and solubility or like making, money just validate, everything
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: it seems to me in everybody's, Eyes and you can't
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: even have a conversation now where in so many rooms
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: and places THAT i want to be where you're talking about, like,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: yeah but that's not dope because the shit that it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Stands for is fucked, up or because the artistic integrity
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of it isn't up to a, standard or because it's
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: just clearly a.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Grift you. Know it's like grift has become so normalized
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: because our presidents the ultimate, grifter the.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Biggest SO i feel, hustler. CAN'T i, mean, look he's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: like an old school LIKE i feel, Like i'm.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Sure in the seventies and eighties there was just a
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: whole city full of. Motherfuckers it was just hitting lits
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: To New york and he just did. It he's such
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: an archetype of a certain of exactly what you just.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Said everyone he read out of The bible the other
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: day and like could barely get through it because he's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: not A, christian he's not religious at.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: All, yeah but it's a. Grift, yeah it works for.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Him so he's, like, yeah it's the funniest shit to.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Me AND i just feel many, days, bro LIKE i
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: just don't know what to. Do AND i do believe in,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Art LIKE i believe that WHAT i do is like you,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: know is has whatever the appropriate amount of relative, importance
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you know What i'm. Saying, LIKE i think it resonates with,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: people helps them understand maybe their relation to themselves, better
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: helps them express or get in touch with, emotions helps
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: them feel, represented helps them understand things a little. Better
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: BUT i also just feel a real weird like despair
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and helplessness about the state of things and my place in.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Them especially the older THAT i, get you start to
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: lose the excitement, around you. KNOW i was talking to my,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Friend i've been doing some of these interviews and getting
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: some of these, looks and he was, like, man like
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: eight years, ago nine years, ago, bro everything you're doing,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: now we would have been like freaking. Out we would
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: have felt like we were just on top of the
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: world because in your, twenties you just feel like everything's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: ahead of, you you know WHAT i, Mean it's all
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: this ambitious, energy and then you start to see the
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: world and how it really. Operates And i'm not Saying
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: i'm not excited And i'm not, grateful But i'm also just, like,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: damn what's really? Important what DO i really care? About
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: and what DO i? Do like how DO i contribute
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: in a way that that my nervous system can also?
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Handle SO i feel, LIKE i, mean this is a
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: long tangential rent to your question about a broken system and,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: whatever BUT i feel a lot of resonance with.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: That, yeah it's like almost like everything you, know there's
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: we're obviously a capitalistic, society but everything is so hyper
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: focused On, yeah but you know it's better for you,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: know you heard what was that bitch's Named Pam bondy
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: when she when she brought up in the, thing she was,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: like but the Dal jones is, over you, know whatever the?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Fuck AND i think about just like it's kind of,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: TRANSLATED i guess kind of LIKE i don't know if
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it's A trump, thing but all of that kind of
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: approach to like the world when it comes.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: TO, ai like we KNOW ai is bad for.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Society and totality because it's gonna displace people's. Jobs you,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: know it's gonna increase the like like super poverty is
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be. Crazy you know a lot of these rich
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers really just want us to sit at home and
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: live in a virtual world and eat their fucking bug
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: protein and just be. Consumers but it even like bleeds
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: over to like the content, side because like it's now
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: it's like you gotta do like irl streaming to like
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: really resonate.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: In the new era of.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Content but at what point in time is it like
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: too much to like live your life for like. Strangers
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: it's already too. Much it's way too, much. Bro it's like,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: okay sorry With, instagram but it's like now you actually
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: have to have like a dude running around with you
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: with a backpack on fucking streaming you the whole fucking.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Time, yeah and now you're living your life for moments
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: that will get.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Clipped, wow there are people at home depressed watching you
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: live your life in real.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Time, yeah it's so. Crazy real life is becoming novelty
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: and it's just becoming like a commodity to be sold
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: instead of to be lived and it's becoming so. Normalized,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: man just depresses the shit out of. Me AND i
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Don't i'm. Older you think about it too, much it'll
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: fuck with, you. Bro i'm old enough to remember how
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the air smelled before fucking social, media before when you
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: would just walk across the block and your peoples was just,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: outside or they was at the park and you stopped
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: in to see if they were. There you didn't know
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't fucking posted. Everywhere there wasn't a group,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: chat and it was, like oh, man and you were
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: present for a few, hours or you played, ball or
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: you did whatever you. Did and also you had an
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: aspiration to achieve things inside of your, community make people
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: in your community proud and build those, bonds as opposed
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: to going online every day and seeing all the things
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you're not, doing all the things that people have every
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: bit you're not fucking you know What i'm saying metaphorically and,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Literally and it's just like you, Know SO i don't
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: want to be trite about the shit or be like sounding,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: mad unk or old or, whatever BUT i JUST i just,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: think like we have it's reached a point, where like you,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: said the people that control capital and that are in
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: power are incentivized to keep, marginalizing you, know people to
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: more and more poverty and dependence on shit that they.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Control and if we don't draw some lines in the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: sand and, actively you, know fight against these, things it
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: can't just be, like, well this is just how it is,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: now you, know this is just what's. Next it's, like
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: well you Gotta.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's why that's WHY i fuck with The zoron Bro,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: man Because i'm, like if this ship works In New,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: york you, KNOW i.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Hope somebody Like Ao seeker run for.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: President AND i don't even know if she's the, person
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: BUT i, MEAN i, mean you, know BUT i don't
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: know who The zoron because unfortunately he was born In,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: uganda so he can't be.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: President. Mother that's.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: CRAZY i, know it sucks Because i'm, like he'll, cook but,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: YEAH i JUST i mean not to say that, anybody
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: like you can't blame who the president is for any
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: one thing too.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Much you, know you gotta have some self.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Accountability but it just feels like the world is like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: and then like we're in this dystopian place where like
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: there's just so much fucked up shit going on at
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: once that like the outrage about like what's happening In
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: gaza And lebanon and Like, congo like it kind of
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: comes and, goes, yeah the wow shit.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Comes, Well SO i was that's something that was hard
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: for me. Too SO i, like when, uh the stuff
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: In gaza was really prominent, online you, know like and
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: it's still.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Happening, yeah but but but all of the, algorithms algorithms
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: have been fixed, exactly so TikTok has been, acquired, Right
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and so in the very beginning of, that you, know
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: after the attack and every AND i was deep in
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: a mode of Like i'm working on my project And
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: i'm away from kind of away from social media right.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Now AND i was also in a places like you,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Said i've done a lot of political work throughout my.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Career people know WHERE i stand on certain. Things BUT
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: i also realized like this idea of the, ACCOUNTABILITY i
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: did a lot of thinking, about like what's the accountability
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: of me the artists to be like posting the what
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: is performative versus actually contributing who is it? For asking
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: myself a lot IF i had an urge to post
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: something like who's this? For is it? For is it for?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Me is it for? You do you? Like because everyone's
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: not even gonna see what you post. Anyway you, know
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: like you couldn't check the box for. Everybody and if
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: you're doing it to check a, box then who are
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: you doing it? For you're doing it for, yourself.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Right and then thinking about a lot of, people like
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the structures of. Power you know a lot of people
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: making a lot of noise online about certain things going.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: On and when you follow the money of who these
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: people are work for hire signed to as corporations and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you follow the, MONEY i mean this is WHERE i
• 44:37
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  Speaker 1: like it just.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Is the way it. Is they just accept it and they're,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: like this is just how it. Is, well so that's the.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: THING i wrestled a lot with it during that time
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: and just thinking about like HOW i move and operate
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: from a place of, integrity AND i think it's, like,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: YEAH i have to represent things and speak on things,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: thematically like in my WORK i think it comes down,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: to like what DO i represent in my? Work because
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: people can say all this stuff and post a bunch
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: and do, Whatever but what makes it not performative is
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: how you live in your day to day and who
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: you know work. For AND i think you know it's a.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Lot it's actually pretty easy now to make a post
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: in support of something or against. Something it's really hard
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to like stand in the truth in how you make
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: your money in this world and how you show up
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: every day to that job where maybe you don't love
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: who you work, for but you're going to control what
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: you can control and try to operate from. Integrity you're
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: going to try to contribute some of your ethos and
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: principles into what you're. Doing you're gonna say no to
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: a job that pays a little more money to take
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: a job that you feel like contributes to the. World
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: like that's really hard to, do, Actually and SO i,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: realize like it doesn't mean that you got to go
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: make six songs like about, this, that and, that or
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: your whole life has to become one big giant post
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: about everything that's going wrong so you can show people
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: what you. Think but LIKE i had this conversation with,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: myself AND i was, like you got to hold yourself.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Accountable how do you operate in the space that you find.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yourself you're a, rapper you make, music you're an. Artist you, know,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: like do you feel like the way you operate inter
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: personally with people and the way you operate with big
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: money with respect to the big money and the powers
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: that be in your, industry do you feel like you
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: operate in integrity with regard to those? Things AND i
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: ask myself those questions every day and some DAYS i
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: don't love the, answers and that shit. Hurts but that
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: is the work of like what it means to try
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: to have, integrity and that is a lot harder than
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: getting online and like posting about some shit Over. YEAH
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: i think when.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: There's like a certain level of artists where you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: it it might cost them opportunities to speak, Out, yeah
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and they don't because they're worried about the bottom. Line,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: yeah which is why LIKE i fuck with The, Weekend
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: and you, know there's there's certain artists that like are
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: very like they put, like you, KNOW i think The
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: weekend has donated millions of dollars to what's going on
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: in gaza to help and displace families And. Gayza now
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: obviously who knows where the fuck that money, goes because
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: that whole charity ecosystem is its own level of.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Corruption but, yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: But you, KNOW i THINK i just think it's interesting
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: because you'll see artists who should be saying something right
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: not say anything. Right and it's literally because they're worried
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: about their.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Pockets, no it's, gross, man and it's it's. Nasty and
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: we see this shit across culture and it's like we
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: also have to stop doing the thing of like when
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: we talk about these people that have certain people that
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: have so much, money, celebrities, right so much, money and we're, like,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: man they're risking losing. Opportunities it's, like so what are they?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Risking like they might make ten million this year instead
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: of twenty because there's a there's a there's a, person
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: there's a woman who's like speaking out at a school
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: board meeting who might lose might lose her, livelihood who
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: might lose her, livelihood who might ostracize herself in her
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: community and create make shit weird for her, kids who
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: might do all this. Shit and Then i'm supposed to
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: clap for some like corporate juggernaut motherfucker disguised as an
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: artist who's, like, OH i might not get to go
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: work the Like Wells fargo benefit In dubai or whatever
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the fuck these motherfuckers do for their extra bag on the.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Weekend you know What i'm, Saying fuck that, shit, Bro
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: like this the bar is so, low like And i'm
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Just i'm Just i'm just over. That, like have you
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: listened To? ICEMAN i have. Not it's not. Bad i've.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Listened i've been known to be A drake hater in my.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Life Did drake bots have me on their? BLACKLIST i
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: don't hate. It it's not.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: BAD i think it's the.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: BEST i think it's the best bars he's EVER i think,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: lyrically it's the sharpest he's ever.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Been here's the, THING keV come to you here feeling
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: like a real, rapper Like i'm somebody LIKE i feel
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: like with this, ALBUM i feel like it's at a
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: certain level regardless of where my stature is in the,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: game and so being at that level THAT i feel
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Like i'm. At you're not gonna get me to talk
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: About drake like a fan Because i'm not gonna get in.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Trouble IT'S i just wondered because you're you're a STELLAR
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: mc AND i Thought.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: DRAKE i Thought drake was getting his. SHIT i was very.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Not i'm JUST i JUST i HAVEN'T i haven't heard.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: It but that is an interesting. Point you. Know it's
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: like that in this podcast, generation, Right it's Like i'll
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: see guys talking about like and obviously like, Bro, like
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: no one's gonna confuse me for being on the Level
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Drake hendre that these are goats that obviously we talked,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: about but it is something to think. ABOUT i don't
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: know if you ever think about, that like with respect to,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: artists BECAUSE i think about it AND i Want i've
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: never talked to any of my rapper friends about, this
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: but it's LIKE i do be feeling like that sometimes
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Because i'm, Like i'm not going to talk about this man's.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Album like it's like a it's like asking Like Jalen
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: brunson to like critique Uh sja's game or.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Something, WELL i think it'd be like, this right if
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: there's a press conference tonight after The Knicks caves. Game, yeah,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: okay right, now the biggest topic in hip hop is Ice. Man,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: yeah there's someone's gonna Ask Jalen brunson what he thought
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Of wenby shot last? Night did you See wenby hit
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: that three last? Night it's gonna come up somebody on
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: The knicks Or caves is going to get that ask
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: that question because it's the story of.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: The, yeah but it's, like but but What jayalen brun
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: is not gonna? SAY i thought it? WAS i thought it,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: sucked like you know WHAT i, Mean, like let's, see, like,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: NO i, yeah, no for.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: SURE i MEAN I i don't think The drake album.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Sucks SO i wasn't trying to bait you to say it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Sucks, No i'm not saying that at. All i'm only
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: only like being this meta because you're my Man's BUT, i,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: LIKE i do think it's just Something i've never. Articulated
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: LIKE i think about that all the. Time where it's
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: like BECAUSE i see a lot of rappers because everything
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: is like talk, media, dude it's, crazy like everyone's got a,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: show so everyone's like you're talking about somebody else's out
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: them that's like kind of your peer in contemporary and
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: it's like even if you, write it's like there are
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: PEOPLE i see in the fabric of this people THAT
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: i really respect as like cultural or musical journalists or
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: ambassadors of culture whose job it is to like critique the. Work.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah now it's now they've signed up for that position
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: in the. Country my job is to make the. Work
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: LIKE i don't you don't have a, PODCAST i don't
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: want to critique the.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Work, yeah like because because you, know, no it's, like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: uh Like joe And. Jada, now, yeah while THEY'RE i
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: mean in the trenches is artists Still, yeah they also
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: have one of the most prolific podcasts Out, yeah so.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: They're going to tell people what they think about. Music
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: it's kind of what yeh comes with, it you. Know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: yeah but they're, old they're they're they're. Older well they're
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: just they're. Older they're like, established so they talk they're, like,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: yeah they talk about younger people's. WORK i would, like you,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: know feel more comfortable with. THAT i don't, Know i'm just.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: By the, way the funniest SHOW i don't know if
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: you if you haven't seen The joe And Jada, show
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: they just did an episode With Bill Bill burr that
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: is one of the funniest fucking episodes of podcasting EVER i.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Saw was one of the most ridiculously hilarious motherfuckers of all.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Time, Yeah fajo reminds me of like Every Puerto rican
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: og THAT i knew growing up In New york that
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: would just like tell us stories on the block and
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: we're just like all, years you, know and it's like mad.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Entertaining so, yeah he's. Incredible do you still hoop like
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: in your free? Time i'm trying to get it. Back
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: i'm trying to get it. Back we might, hoop we
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: might hoop on him out. HERE i just hooped for
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: the first time AND i got super album mode AND
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: i didn't hoop for eight. Months THEN i ran like
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: seven folds like a week or two, ago AND i was, like,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: YO i gotta get, back. Dude it's the best free.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Cart LIKE i feel like if you like, basketball, yeah
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you like you look Like i've you burned these. Calories
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: you didn't eve realize you burned fucking twelve hundred. Calories it's the, best,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Bro but there's nothing like. It like getting back in.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Shape for it is tough because for, Sure i've been
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: running a little. Bit jogging is nothing like. Hooper like
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: when you, hoop it's just like. Muscles you haven't worked in.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Forever and it's a lot of like you, know maximum
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: effort plays and stuff where you're just like the next
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: DAY i, WAS i was hung over for like three
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: days off of that. Game But i'm getting back to it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Now i'm definitely getting back to. It I'm i'm committed
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: to BECAUSE i only got so many more more years
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: left to be? Good are you or would you ever
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: rather consider Leaving New York? City? Relocating me and my
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: me and my lady talk about this a. LOT i,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: MEAN i want to experiment with living somewhere else for
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: a longer period of. Time, yeah maybe for a, summer
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: for a, summer you know WHAT i, Mean or for
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: for for a winter to escape the cold Of oh,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: yeah for, sure the winters when you got to do.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: IT i talk about that a, lot LIKE i can't
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: do These New york winners no. More lord that this
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: last winter was fucking. Crazy but it's just like it's
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: just hard when like it's just, home you know WHAT i.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Mean it's hard for me to, imagine But i'm. Open
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: i'm trying to be more open to, things and DEFINITELY
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: i WOULD i want to spend some. TIME i want
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: wanna spend some like real time In. EUROPE i would
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: like to spend like some some actual time.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Somewhere are you gonna bring the residency thing back at
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: all or?
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: What? Sir, Yeah so we're About we're about to announce
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: these summer dates for The New york for The Live banded,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: residency and we're also about to announce we're bringing the
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: band to a couple other cities. Too so we're gonna
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: announce that at the top Of. June just locking everything and,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: now well, listen the album is. Out are vinyls out? Yet?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah the vinyl sold out online with. Quickness But we're
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: gonna restock that ship And i'm gonna pop out actually
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: tonight IN la and just give some whoever shows. Up
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: i'm a. SAW i got a couple more.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Left so are you doing the tape? THING a lot
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: of people have tapes, now you could get like the
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: vintage you. KNOW i feel like people are making their
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: albums like on. Cassette oh, yeah, yeah the cassettes on
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: the way we got, CDs i. DO i think it's
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: crazy as the analog, MAN i think because of how
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: cooked we are in, society you, know moving towards Like
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: wally becoming like a real thing there is like a real.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: SURGENTS i feel like that the analog shit's going to
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: MAKE i. AGREE i mean it's gonna be like, VINTAGE i,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: hope so like iPods right.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Now by the, way it's crazy That iPod's vintage is still.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Digital, yeah but, bro those like giant iPods that we
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: used to, Have, yeah the bitches are reselling for like
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: four hundred.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Dollars that's what the kids. WANT i remember my man
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: almost got robbed for his iPods shuffle. Recently, no, no
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: this was, like oh.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah but back in the, day that little iPod shuffle
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: was the Motherfucking.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: YEAH i had a hundred songs on it and you
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and it had no screen so it was all a
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: little white a little white bar so you just like
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: it just, shuffled that was all it. Did but he
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: got pressed for that. Shit.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: YEAH i feel, like, man people ARE i feel like
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: CDs like CDs people want to buy. Again and it's
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: weird to like talk to like my son's twenty and
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: my other son's, twelve but it's like That i'd just
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: be forgetting they have the absolutely zero concept of like physical. Media, yeah, yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: yeah my kid my son has like you, know we
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: grew up with like blue Blue bluetooth and blue Rays.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Bluetooth the fuck.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah but it's like there's a whole generation they're gonna
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: go back and they be, like wait a, minute you
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: could own something and hold.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: It i'm really into vinyl right, now you, know like
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the biggest it's ever.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Been.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: It LIKE i go to the two dollars bins AND
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: i discover Because i'm really into like all this like
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: old soul and all this shit That i've dug deeper
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: and deeper into from working with the musicians THAT i,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Have and, Yeah i'm super into it now And i'm
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: in my early. THIRTIES i, MEAN i THINK i had
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: a theory That i'm almost like A i. SHOULD i
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: feel like the danger of it is there could be
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: someone that, says twenty years from, now, like oh, No
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: i'm really into human. Music like that's a. Niche like
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: that's a niche where it's like if you're kind of,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: indie you're, Like i'm into you, KNOW i like it
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: when humans do the music and not the. Robot, Yeah
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: i'm into human, Music like that's my. THING i think that's.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Coming SO i think these, things BUT i feel like
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: that just tripped me. Out, yeah that's gonna. Happen And
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: i'll say. This you know we talked. Earlier you were
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: like and so, No, yeah that's What i'm. Saying BUT
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: i THINK i don't. KNOW i don't know if like
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: me doing things the way THAT i just continue to do,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: them whether it pays out in the long. Run you,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: KNOW i talked about having that, belief BUT i do
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: think there is a feeling THAT i have That i'm
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: positioned well for if the shit goes left with THIS ai,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: SHIT i feel like there's enough people that respect and
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: care about WHAT i do and the AUTHENTICITY i do
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: it with that will be hungry for the antithesis of
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: whatever the Bullshit like it's never it's not gonna replace.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Me it's going to replace top forty or it's gonna replace.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Whatever SO i feel pretty well positioned for that and
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: feel like the people THAT i fuck will still allow
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: me to make a. LIVING i, hope. Please you, Know
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: i'm so tired and a. Flyers i'll be.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Scrolling i'm, like come, on, man yeah, man it's, like
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: did you have to dump your photo into CHED gpt
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: with some fun say make like this is IT'S.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I don't even really know that much Because i've never
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: really engaged With have you used? Ai? Nah we made
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: like a funny picture of my homie and chat gpt
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: because we that's always. Fun we like crafted him into
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: some fucked up ship that Oh i've done the same.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Thing but other than, that like that's the only ship
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: THAT i ever.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: DID i chat Gpt'ed Freddy gibbs holding two dicks by
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: my birthday.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Party we took a.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Picture freddy's like. THIS i used rock for that. One that's,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: like what make this bald man hold? Dicks it should
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: be for like like funny goof. Ship, yeah like you,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: know like or or? Not what it should be for
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: is it should be for.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Like curing the problems of climate change and disease and.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Right but it's adding to it because these data centers
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: are fucked up.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Man yeah yeah crazy but.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: NOT i Just i've been using CHAT gpt for little
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: shit like tracking my calories.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: And ship yeah yeah yeah, yeah or.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Like you, Know i'll just ask you some random ass
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: ship like, yo find me the cheapest flat online to
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: go from here to? Here give me like ten. Options.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: YEAH i haven't really dabbled with it, yet but mostly
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Because i'm just a creature, habit SO i just when
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: the sh it is new AND i don't know how
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: to use, It i'm just.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Like, well, listen the album is, out, man go support. It,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: uh you're gonna be announcing the. Residence you're gonna be
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: doing anything national tour.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Wise we're gonna we're gonna start bringing the band to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: do some spot dates in places THAT i KNOW i
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: can bring it because it's just HOW i really want
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: to represent my. MUSIC i want to bring the residency
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: experience to these other, places and it's really expensive to
• 1:00:28
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