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guest researcher and investigator into the processed church, false memory syndrome MK ultra,
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many other topics. Dana, welcome to the show. It's good to see
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you. Nice to see you too. Thank you for having me, no
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problem. One of my followers and friends sent me a video of yours with
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Andy, and I was like, oh, man, this chick's she knows
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what she's talking about. So reached out to you, and I was surprised
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because I already followed you on Twitter. What a small world. Yeah,
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Twitter is a world that gets smaller by the day, it seems. Yeah.
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Man, Twitter is like a cussful. It's getting is getting wild over
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there. Used to be that only a few people were Alex Jones, but
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now it seems like everyone is Alex Jones. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, Oh, I know exactly what you mean. Bill Hicks, Yes,
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yeah, everybody is. Yeah. Yeah. So this this is your
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first time on the show. I think it's important here in the beginning to
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give you a little introduction and let you introduce yourself and let people know how
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you first started getting into the research and kind of what led you down this
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path and then we'll jump into the bulk of the conversation. Sure. So
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my name is Dana. I am an ICU nurse, and just the condensed
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version. After COVID, I did a couple crisis jobs on the road,
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and I randomly ordered that book The Brothers by Stephen Kinzer about John Foster Dollas
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and Alan Dolls, and that kind of broke my brain learning what we did
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in Vietnam, and I didn't believe it. So then I decided to order
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more, and I read The Devil's Chess Board. I read a couple of
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other books that Stephen Kinser wrote about other coups that we were involved in,
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and eventually I started making little videos on Instagram. So that was where I
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made content, just kind of you know, short little like minute and a
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half clips total of five minutes, just breaking down these different topics. And
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then I saw Dildo Gaggin's PTK meme, the wrestling meme where like the dude's
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knocking him out with a chair but it's PTK, and I'm like, what
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is this book? And so I ordered that, and I ordered Aberration in
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the Heartland of the Real by Doctor Wendy Painting and completely lost my mind.
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There was a lot of crying involved, and now I'm a full blown schizophrenic.
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But then I started doing videos about PTK and I think I got through
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like the first two chapters or so. And then I did a series for
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another channel, and it was for the ex scientology community, because there is
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a very big community on YouTube of ex scientologists, and it was primarily talking
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about MK Ultra in regards to hypnotism and the False Memory Syndrome Foundation Scientific Advisory
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Board. Apparently the ex scientology community is pretty fond of some of those spooky
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doctors on that board, and I got a lot of backlash, and I
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said, well, I guess I'm going to come on YouTube and talk about
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this stuff. So now I'm here, and I guess getting to the now.
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You know, my primary research is the Process Church of the Final Judgment
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aka Best Friend's Animal Society. Yeah, that's interesting because we were talking the
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other day on Twitter and I was like, hey, I'm like, I
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have a little section in my next documentary on the Process Church, but I
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obviously haven't gone into it as deep as you are. As kind of like
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an off off note of the documentary. It's just interesting how a lot of
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it connects to a lot of the murders and serial killers, but we're going
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to get into that soon. Have you ever heard of the Indian Lakes Project.
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I don't think so. Well. It's like this blog post that was
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started by this guy in the early two thousands where this guy's uncle supposedly found
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an old metal box when he was hiking near Indian Lake, New York,
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and he put it on a shelf and he didn't open it, and when
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he passed away, his nephew found the box and opened it, and supposedly
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it had pictures in it and film reels and classified documents of this project that
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was happening in Indian like around Indian Lakes, New York, that had to
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do with the experimentation on children ran by the military, and supposedly it was
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a military base that used to be in that area. A few pictures from
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the contents of the box were posted online, but the film was never showed,
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neither was the documents. And I don't really know what to think about
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it. I was just interested if you had heard about it. It's like
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a weird mystery. And this guy just kind of stopped posting. But he
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also posted a bunch of stock images as well, along with supposed real images
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that he took, but a bunch of it is really interesting and supposedly real
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photos of this abandoned underground military base that he found in Indian Lakes, New
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York, where he said the children were being keppt. But no one's ever
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been able to find this underground base. I don't know, it's just weird.
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That is extremely bizarre. I mean I don't I don't think that the
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idea of something like that is too far fetched because, you know, for
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the people that are familiar with the Son of Sam and you know process a
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lore as some would call it. You know the story about Cropsy and Willowbrook.
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I mean there that was a basically like underground tunnel where all the former
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patients from Willowbrook that they were living. I mean, it wasn't like super
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functional. It was pretty disgusting, but they found a lot of those former
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patients that were living there. So I don't think that it's you know,
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out of the realm of possibility. But that is kind of weird to make
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stock images with it and nobody's been able to find it. I just think
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that that's kind of weird. Yeah, it's a little sketchy. And there
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was a mk ultrum subproject, which we know that there were one hundred and
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forty nine subprojects, but the only one that I can really find. Supposedly
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there was four subprojects of mk ultra, and I'm sure if you're familiar,
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you can refresh my memory on some of those. But one that I found
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that was involved with children was subproject one oh three, and that was in
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nineteen fifty nine, which was called the Children's International Summer Village, which was
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where all these kids were brought together to be at this summer camp, and
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the CIA was studying them to see how they would communicate with each other and
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when they didn't share a common language. And also what I found most interesting
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about that subproject was that the CIA was also studying foreign children to see who
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may be of interest to the agency. Why is anyone surprised? That was
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just wild. I was like, holy crap. But the mk ultra stuff
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goes so ridiculously deep, and I think that people whenever they hear the term
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mk ultra, they just kind of brush it off or they're like, oh,
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that's what they were doing back then. There's no way that they're still
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doing it now, and all that it did was involve some LSD. They
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were just slipping some people some LSC Naw, it goes way deeper, and
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it's a huge rabble it is, and I think it's I don't know,
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I feel like that's a big part of you know, Timothy Leary, you
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know, tune in, turn on or whatever, turn off, drop out,
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whatever, it is kind of seeding that into the American psyche of the
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typical hippie was to make people think that that's all that it was, because
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that was going to be you know, the biggest part of what they allowed
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the public to know was, you know, ooh, we made this LSD
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naughty, naughty. We gave it to the public, naughty, naughty.
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We made all this music, and we created the culture. And it's like,
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no, was so much more than that. A lot of people now
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it seems like it's less controversial. And I'm not into it because I just
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think it's like faking gay. But the remote viewing stuff, a lot of
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people are really into the remote viewing. My only interest eventually will be you
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know, as far as like the Stanford Research Institute, that's very interesting and
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there's a heavy hand of scientology within remote viewing. I think that that's interesting,
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but also, you know, just experiments on children, the deprogramming that
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was done during the time of like the Church Committee hearings and afterwards, where
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they were using the same type of techniques that they were using during MK ultra,
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like with psychic driving things of that nature, where they were giving them
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paralytics and then giving them the electroshock therapy and they were breaking their spines.
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I mean, you can see some of this stuff in newspapers where these doctors
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are being taken to court for wrongful deaths because they were really snapping kids spines
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and adults and killing them. But you know, I mean a lot of
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these people didn't get punished. And I like to remind people that even with
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the Church Committee hearings. You know, every other department, primarily the one
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that I think of right now because it's something i'm researching, is the Navy,
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but the Office of Naval Intelligence, the Department of Defense. You know,
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all these other departments had their own MK esque sort of projects and none
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of those were stopped, and a lot of people don't even know that those
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existed. The CIA was just trotted out in front of the public and giving
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you know, their lashings. But in my opinion, it all just went
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underground and went into the cults. Yeah. Have you ever heard of the
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Ames leaf Room? I don't think so. Well. Doctor Eames created this
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room which was speaking of naval intelligence. It was funded by and was on
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contract to the Office of Naval Research, where he would take these college students
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into this room that had leaves all over the walls, dosed them with LSD,
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and then put goggles over their head where they would have like the worst
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trip of their lives and then they would end up in an emergency room.
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Wow, he was doing this on the like a college campus. That sounds
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awful. Yeah, and it was sponsored by Office of Naval Research, So
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you're right. I'm just confirming that you're correct and that it wasn't just a
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CIA. It was several of these agencies, the Air Force, Naval Intelligence,
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like it spans all across it. But it's so interesting that even though
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that they were also running a lot of these experiments, that the CIA took
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the bulk of the coming on and saying that we were doing this, and
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all the other agencies never really had to say what they were doing with MK
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Ultra or what they're continuing to do with MK ultr to this. Yeah,
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absolutely, I think that seeing and hopefully that gives people an idea silly experiments
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like that that caused real, real life damage to people. And even with
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MK Ultra, you know, they got a little bit braggadocious talking about,
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you know, dosing pregnant women on the street with LSD at random. You
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know, these are things that caused permanent damage to a lot of people.
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A lot of people died through the varying experiments because it wasn't just acid that
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they were experimenting with. They were messing with meth, they were messing with
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STP, god knows what else, MDA bad MDA. There was an employee
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at Esslon that died from a dose of MDA. I think this was in
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nineteen sixty eight, yeah, because it was the year before the Manson crimes,
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and this is stuff that was all being created, funded by the government,
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primarily being ran through like the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, Ken Kesey and
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the Mary Pranksters, Timothy Leary, you know, and very likely you know,
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cruise around Manson like the motorcycle gangs. But I mean they were running
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a lot of that government paid for government created drugs that were on the streets
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at that time. Yeah, I had some pictures of the Ames leaf room,
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but I'm not finding them on Google, good old Google. It's on
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my phone, but my phone isn't in here. But you just mentioned Timothy
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Leary just a few minutes ago, and Timothy Leary said that the CIA funded
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and sponsored the entire counterculture movement with encouraging psychologists and psychiatrists to prescribe LSD.
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Then the CIA and the government got this is their excuse. They got the
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worry that Russia was going to get into it as well, just like they
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always are. We always seem to be concerned about Russia and at odds with
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Russia for some reason, Dan, I don't know why. Probably because Russia
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on the record, got way more Nazi engineers and scientists after World War Two
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than the United States did. But that's a whole other story. What was
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my point here? Oh, the CIA was afraid that Russia was going to
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get a hold of the LSD and start running their own experiments during the Cold
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War. So at one point I think that it was Sandos Laboratories was going
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to put twenty million doses of LSD on the open market, and the United
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States bought all of that LSD, so supposedly the Russians wouldn't get their hands
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on it. And then they ended up doing a contract with Eli Lilly Company
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in nineteen fifty three to manufacture and supply a certain amount of a safe and
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secure amount of LSD to the government, which Eli Lilly Company became the first
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manufacturer and distributors of LSD in the United States. Which we know that LSD
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is a known serotonin uptake inhibitor, so what else are serotonin uptake inhibitors?
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Right? All of the antidepressants that people are currently on are also serotonin uptake
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inhibitors. And now we get the population is flooded with antidepressants. And then
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when you do more research into Eli Lilly and Company, you realize that Eli
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Lilly and Company were the first company to produce and manufacture and distribute prozac like
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they What they did is they took the psychedelic and the consciousness expanding benefits that
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you would get from doing LSD. They dumbed all that down and then just
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made it to where you're like a zombie. They call them antidepressants, And
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then they saw them to the public. Yeah, that's a I I always
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am dumbfounded when I see commercials for antidepressants and it's you might be happier,
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but you're probably going to kill yourself. You know, that's essentially what it
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comes down to at the end of it, because you know, they don't
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tell people that, you know, the lethargy, the fatigue, sadness,
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whatever the case may be, a lot of times it just gives people the
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energy to take their own lives. And I speak from experience because this happened
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to my best friend. You know, they were put onto lexipro and that's
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literally all it did was it gave her the energy to take her own life.
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And when you can go online and look and see the statistics from these
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pharmaceutical companies, especially for these psychiatry drugs, obviously that's not the only side
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effect, but there's more negative side effects than there is positive. And you
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know, the whole science that they try to use is as well, this
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is boosting your serotonin or you know, this is boosting your dopamine or X
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Y or Z. You know, they haven't really figured that out yet.
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They're still playing around with that at the expense of everybody else. But I
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mean, I think that mk ultra whatever people would like to refer to that
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time period, because I don't think that it ever ended. It's always been
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the pharmaceutical companies weaponizing things against the American public as a whole, and weaponizing
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the healthcare system against the American public as a whole. Yeah, there's even
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this drug that I recently found out about that's a antibiotic. It's called Zipro,
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and there's like a whole community of people online that has experienced side effects
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from this antibiotic called Zipro. And the side effects are literally what people describe
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that say that there are targeted individuals, Like it's verbatim the exact same thing.
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And this medication was given to people for UTIs, bladder infection, prostate
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infection, sinus infections, skin infections, bone adominal pain and like all that.
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And it's just wild that the side effects that these people, the direct
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side effects of this antibiotic is almost the exact same thing that people talk about.
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Okay, here are some of the side effects. Hearing, seeing or
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sensing things that are not there, hallucinations, feeling unusually suspicious, paranoid,
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having false or strange thoughts or beliefs, delusions, feeling restless, agitated,
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anxious or nervous, having memory trouble, feeling confused or feeling less aware of
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your surroundings, feeling depressed or having suicidal thoughts or actions, having trouble sleeping
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or nightmares. Like that's pretty much the symptoms of what people claim when they
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say that they're like a targeted individual. Well, and I feel like some
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of those antibiotics it's you know, doctors are trained basically. I mean,
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I hate to say this because there are some doctors that I do respect.
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I just I have a hard time kind of forgiving the health community, after
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the healthcare community after COVID. But you know, everything is based off of
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books. These books are heavily influenced by the pharmaceutical industry, and every person
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is different. I don't care what the book says, I don't care what
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the bottle says. Everybody's different. I have a severe allergic reaction to pregnozone,
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which is a steroid that you would give somebody if they're having an allergic
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reaction. I've had doctors look at me like I'm stupid when I tell them,
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But when they've seen the side effect where I'm lown up like a balloon
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and the can't move and I'm completely red. Then they realize, oh,
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I'm telling the truth. It's because everybody's different. And I feel like with
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the antibiotics, the varying strengths, it's messing with the natural bacteria in your
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body, and it's also attacking your immune system in different ways. And as
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far as like hearing, you know, whether it's damage to your hearing auditory
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hallucinations, and obviously that's going to contribute to any sort of psych symptoms.
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That's really common with a lot of antibiotics. I feel like they really should
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be reevaluating the antibiotics. But I mean that's a whole other like tangent that
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I could go on. But I mean that is a really common side effect,
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and I feel like a lot of patients get gas lit over it.
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You know, the doctors tell them that they're basically crazy or you're having these
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symptoms from this antibiotic, and then they're prescribing you psych medication because they think
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that you're crazy, right, And I feel like you're going crazy because these
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things are very real because you're experiencing them in the now. And I mean
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that's good that there's at least these online communities where people can say, hey,
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like me too, you know, and try to get something figured out.
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But I mean, I've heard that from patients before over time, just
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different antibiotics, honestly, because everybody's body does react differently. Now you're a
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nurse and you can you can speak on these medications. I'm not a doctor,
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I'm not a trained psychologist, I'm not a psychiatrist nothing. So don't
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take my advice or my opinion on any of this stuff. But and if
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prozac helps, you, keep taking prozac. That's what it is. If
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it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't, Right.
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I think that everyone is different and different things work for different people. It's
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just that I thought that it was so interesting, and thank you for your
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comment. I just thought that it was interesting because I hadn't heard of this
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antibiotic before in causing these the exact same things that people claim that are you
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know, targeted individuals from the government. I mean, there's a you can
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look online. I think someone just brought up the they call it flox.
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I just brought it up. But yeah, Karen, Karen, just Karen
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Carpenter. People call it getting floxed. That's what it is as a whole
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floxed community, people just sharing their stories of being on this awful antibiotic medication
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that gave them all these wild symptoms. Now, I've heard you talk a
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few times about false memories syndrome, and I want to get into that a
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little bit and get your thoughts and your theories on that, because you've got
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you've delved really deep into the what is it called the False Memory found False
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Memories Foundation, Zach correct, Yep, it's a mouthful long title. Yeah,
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So the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. I learned about it from Dave McGowan
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from Program to Kill. That was the first time, honestly that I had
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ever heard of it. And you know, he broaches that topic and the
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introduction to Program to Kill in the first couple of chapters, and the inception
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of it and the lack of science to this day and the people that are
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pushing it to this day, because it is still being pushed, is why
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I think that it should still give people pause and I think that it's still
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really relevant to talk about. So the inception of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation.
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There is a woman, her name is Jennifer Fraid. When she was
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a child, she was abused by her father. She had what is called
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what most of us would call repressed memories, which is the and Dave McGowan
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breaks this down. But there are also documentaries out there as well as huge
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legal cases where this has been proven in a court of laws, scientifically with
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MRIs, with cat scans. When we are young, our brains have a
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protective mechanism when we go through a trauma, whether it's violence, whether it's
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sexual, it doesn't matter where. Basically I like to call it, it's
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just putting a little cover. It's protecting your psyche as a child because you
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cannot handle it. And this is where alters or split personalities can come from.
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And if this is happening repeatedly, that's where people get a lot of
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altars or split personalities, whatever the case may be. So Jennifer goes through
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this as a child, she gets older, she's in therapy and these repressed
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memories come back to her, and so she calls out her father. Her
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father is Peter Freid. Her mother is Pamela Afraid. What Miss Pamela did
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to protect the reputation of her dear husband was she turned around and created the
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False Memory Syndrome Foundation. This language was not really out in the public vernacular,
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so to speak, at the time, but what we see from its
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inception within a month and a half, I think I traced the first notorious
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cia MK Ultra doctor coming onto their scientific Advisory Board, and we end up
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getting some of the heavier hitters that people know, Margaret Singer, Martin Orne,
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richard Off, she Jolly West. I think that Elizabeth Loftis is a
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spook, but she's still alive, so yet to be determined. And you
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know, they made a lot of money. They also gained membership disturbingly fast.
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I have access to their really old archives. I have it, and
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I think it's in my way back machine. If not, I'll post it
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for people. But you can see how the membership just blows up because what
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Pamela does is she just sends out mailers and says, have you been falsely
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accused of abusing your children? Call us and we'll be able to help.
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And that's really dark when you sit back and think about it. With how
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big their membership became. Because in their second circular that they sent out,
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they asked two questions that well, the one question two answers. They said,
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how do we know we're not in the business of defending pedophiles? Obviously
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they knew that something was a little bit off. They said that the first
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reason was we look like nice people and you would want to be friends with
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us. The second reason that they gave was that they would be willing to
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take a lie detector test and they would pass, even though they don't feel
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like they should have to take one. I want to say they shuttered their
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doors in twenty nineteen. It was right around the time that the late Lieutenant
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Colonel Michael Aquino died. I don't know if those things are related. They
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did shutter their doors very quietly, though. They basically just shut down their
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website and just put a little announcement on there that they were no longer operational.
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But this is still being touted as science. Elizabeth Loftist is still being
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called to testify, you know, for false memories. Her clientele list really
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runs the gambit. You've got Gisline, Maxwell, Harvey Weinstein, OJ Simpson,
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the Menendaz Brothers, Mick Martin, pre School, Oliver North, Ted
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Bundy, the cops that beat up Rodney King, Michael Jackson. I'm trying
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to think if there's anybody else. I mean, it's really it's a laundry
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list. But then in today's current iteration, even though so it officially no
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longer exists, we have the Gray Faction of the Satanic Temple, and that
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is all they do is they protest any sort of events where professionals in this
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specific milieu dealing with victims of ritual abuse, Satanic ritual abuse, repressed memories
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specifically. Uh, they protest these events and they have tried to get doctor's
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licenses removed provoked, and they say that it's all Satanic Panic nonsense and it's
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not real. So this was really happening around the Satanic Panic days? Was
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this false memory syndrome foundation? Right? When did it You might have mentioned
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it just a second ago, But when did it shut down? When didenty
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nineteen oh, So that wasn't that long ago then. Yeah, Now,
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when it comes to false memory implantation, because we have a lot of people,
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a lot of supposed MK Ultra survivors that talk about false memories being implanted
30:14
into their head, especially when it comes to you know, the alien and
30:18
the extraterrestrial phenomenon. And it's heavily documented that doctor Hughan Cameron in Canada and
30:26
Miguel in Canada was a who was an MK Ultra contractor was being funded by
30:33
the CIA, could erase people's memories right, just erased them through torturous methods,
30:41
drugging the patron, electro shocks, sleep deprivation, prolonged sleep through the
30:45
use of benzo dazepine and other sleep agents, and then implant new memories into
30:52
the subjects through something I think that you mentioned earlier, which is called psychic
30:57
driving, where the loop to audio message. This is the official narrative of
31:06
what they say is that a looped audio message a tape recorder is put in
31:11
to the patient once they've been deep patterned, then they're psychically driven with these
31:15
repeated looped audio message over and over again and planting a new thought and identity
31:22
into the subjects. Had and I believe it was nine people sued the CIA
31:29
for running those experiments out of McGill in Canada, and then the CIA settled
31:36
out of court on those lawsuits. Where does this come in Because from what
31:44
I've looked into and what i've which is kind of two different types of things
31:47
you're talking about, you know, with children saying that they've been abused.
31:52
I don't believe that necessarily they were put through some sort of mch ultual program
31:56
and then had memories and stuff implanted into their head. But this was being
32:01
done with adults, now, whether they were consenting adults, whether they knew
32:07
what they were getting into, which I don't think a lot of them did.
32:09
I think that they were just kind of told, hey, we're going
32:12
to do some experiments, because a lot of the experiments were done at psychiatric
32:15
hospitals, inside of prisons, and like the worst of the worst of the
32:22
population was some of the where some of the experimentation was going on at And
32:28
I think that that is probably the goal, because from my understanding, their
32:31
original purpose was to erase memories from high up military assets people high up in
32:39
government. Can we erase the memories? Can we take the memories away from
32:44
these people that have high up clearances, that have high up military access to
32:49
know about programs that we don't want them to continue to know about in the
32:54
future, so that they can retire. And then I think once they've figured
33:00
out that they can erase people's memories, then they were like, okay,
33:05
well, because it can work both ways. If you can erase the memories,
33:07
you can also implant the memories. Sure, so then that's where you
33:10
get into like the mentarian candidate stuff, and then these these assassins that have
33:16
been psychically driven to go out and commit crimes and essentially kill people. Yeah.
33:25
Absolutely, I think I think that that's a valid point to bring into
33:30
consideration, because I don't think that it's completely black and white. I think
33:36
the importance in regards to false memory syndrome specifically is that it was not in
33:42
the vernacular until the Phraates brought it up. You know, they're the ones
33:45
that created it, saying that you know, Peter was falsely accused by Jennifer
33:51
that this wasn't real, and then all of the sudden there was accusations of
33:57
all these psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists all over the country in planting these specific
34:05
memories of satanic ritual abuse. In particular because Kenneth Lanning from the FBI,
34:12
I believe his report was from He did a couple, but I believe the
34:17
biggest one was from ninety four and ninety five, which was maybe a year
34:22
two years, a year and a half after the False Memory Syndrome Foundation opened.
34:28
And you know, the FBI has some pretty hard stances, some hot
34:34
takes on things. You know, the snuff isn't real, and that satanic
34:37
ritual abuse it's not real, even though there is evidence for some of these
34:45
things. Now, do I think that every single case of ritual abuse is
34:49
satanic ritual abuse? No, because I would consider the things that go on
34:54
in the Catholic Church ritual abuse, and the Mormon Church ritual abuse, Southern
35:00
Baptists, I mean, you name it. I think that all of those
35:02
things can be categorized the same way. I think that the key to that
35:07
is it's methodical. It is usually intergenerational as far as you know, these
35:14
power players in these institutions wielding their power in very corrupt ways. But obviously,
35:22
you know, if something exists in one way, then it can absolutely
35:27
be weaponized in the other way. And you know, there are people who
35:30
have been falsely accused of things because people are trying to garner sympathy, get
35:37
money. I mean, that's just the reality of the world. So no,
35:42
it's not black and white. I just think, in particular, why
35:46
would you have a bunch of CIA doctors who have their very particular resumes that
35:52
seem completely unrelated to parents being falsely accused of harming their children and inappropriate ways.
36:00
Why are they on the Scientific Advisory Board. One of my biggest arguments
36:07
for it is because in I think it was the Human Radiation Experiments Committee under
36:13
Clinton. I believe it was in nineteen ninety three. There were three women
36:19
that came forward and they testified, and there's old videos of it online you
36:23
can see it, and it's also in the NSA archive where they are testifying
36:29
against Martin Orn who was on the Scientific Advisory Board, as well as a
36:34
few other CIA doctors for them sexually abusing them as children while they were also
36:39
being experimented on. None of this was struck from the record, you know,
36:45
none. I mean, all of that still remains and that video testimony
36:49
is still up and it's on the NSA archives. So in my opinion,
36:54
I think that a big part of what they saw. And when I say
37:00
they the CIA doctors, I think that they saw the False Memory Syndrome Foundation
37:05
as an opportunity to cover up the things that were going on because with a
37:12
lot of this psychic driving mk ultra, Because if you read Ghsterbrooks, you
37:17
know, who basically wrote the book on hypnotism essentially, and that is the
37:22
focus of Dave McGowan. In the opening of PTK, he explains, how
37:28
would a doctor evaluate if their hypnotic methods were perfectly effective in his opinion at
37:35
that time, and this would last for about twenty to thirty years by that
37:40
time, by the time the False Memory Syndrome Foundation comes around that timeframe,
37:45
for what they were specifically doing with those projects and subprojects, it would have
37:50
worn off. It would have started to wear off, you know what I
37:52
mean. So that also makes sense to me if his thesis was correct.
37:57
Was it, I don't know in its entirety. I think that there's a
38:00
lot of things that the public is never going to know about what was done
38:05
to some people, But I think that there's enough documentation to support that it
38:12
was at least partially successful. This idea that like the CIA is a bunch
38:16
of bumbling buffoons and that MK Ultra was a total failure. When I see
38:21
that, I feel like those are people that are literally trying to spread disinformation
38:27
or you know, sort of muddy the information pool because it was not ineffective
38:32
and it's still going on to this day. Obviously, I think that there
38:37
are some extremes that cannot be corroborated, right, And I think that that
38:43
goes both ways. It doesn't matter what you're talking about. But there are
38:45
plenty of things that can be corroborated, and they're horrific enough. Absolutely.
38:52
I mean, just look around at our reality. I mean, something weird
38:55
is going on, you know, like things are really strange, weird out
39:00
there. I mean, and it kind of gets into what Yury Besmanov was
39:05
talking about in nineteen eighty three, you know, demoralize what was it,
39:10
four steps to subvert entire country, destabilized, demoralize, crisis, and then
39:16
normalization. I mean, you said it all in that interview, and you
39:21
look at what he was talking about back in the early eighties and apply that
39:24
to now, it's exactly what's happened. And he also talked about how it
39:29
takes fifteen to twenty years to infiltrate the educational systems to get kids to believe
39:35
in something completely different than what they already believe. And he was seeing that
39:42
back in the early eighties, and he was also like, hey, no
39:45
one's stopping this, No one's standing up and saying, hey, there's something
39:50
weird going on here, there's something strange here. He was like, there's
39:52
no Americanism, there's no American patriotism. No one's stepping in and being like,
39:58
hey, this isn't right. They're just going along with what he says
40:04
is Marxist and Leninist ideologies. That wasn't me saying that. I came from
40:09
Uri bezan Off YouTube, and all those videos are on YouTube for people to
40:15
look at just typing Uri bezman Off and you can listen to the entire exactly
40:22
what he was saying. And that's exactly what he said, that that these
40:25
ideologies are being pumped into the school systems as we speak, and then in
40:30
twenty years everything is going to be completely different and no one is doing anything
40:36
about it. I would only add the caveat that, well, two caveats.
40:42
One. I think that he was telling us, but he also wasn't
40:47
necessarily doing anything about it. I have some big feelings about all of that.
40:52
But then also I think Esslon was a huge part of it. Because
40:58
when you look in there's one website it's called Hathy Trust, and it will
41:02
bring up any weird, random sort of congressional, Senate, whatever government document
41:07
it is. There were so many local committee hearings, bigger committee hearings where
41:15
people were getting very upset. When Esslon came on the scene, immediately like
41:21
no, this group therapy talking about feelings, you know, just very open,
41:25
blatant sexuality. And I don't care what people do. I'm not here
41:29
to have that conversation. I'm just saying put it in the context of the
41:31
time. It was very controversial, and that is at the root of a
41:37
lot of it too. I think that I always look at it as Esslon's
41:42
always loving in the background of all of these things, whether it's the process,
41:46
Manson, Sun of Sam, it doesn't matter if the you know,
41:50
Essalon's always there. And then obviously like its grandfather institution, which would be
41:54
Tavistock. So I think that those are two very big components as far as
42:00
what a lot of people would call, especially in regards to Tavistock social engineering.
42:05
But I think that Essylon has been extremely effective in that regard as well.
42:12
Yeah, and speaking of Sun of Sam and Manson and all that,
42:16
have you ever heard of a project it's called the UCLA Violence Project that Jolly
42:27
West was involved with where they were going to take people when they got out
42:34
of prison. I believe it was mostly sex offenders and put electrodes in their
42:44
brain to incapacitate them if they were to go into an area where they were
42:52
not supposed to go and the police come and pick them up. That was
42:58
part of it. But the reason why shut down I think I found because
43:01
I tracked all of it because Jolly kept getting so much backlash and I think
43:07
that he rewrote the proposal like thirteen times and eventually he just gave up.
43:14
The main proponent of it was he wanted to put those chips, those electrodes.
43:19
I mean, they were essentially chips, but they wanted to put the
43:22
electrodes into black kids, and they had I think it was at a former
43:28
missile base. They wanted to create sort of like a little neighborhood. He
43:32
wanted to predict violence in black kids. It was predominantly black kids, and
43:38
the community was absolutely right and protesting it and saying, a you're targeting not
43:45
only the poor, you're targeting the ethnic minorities. And this is I mean
43:50
extremely racist, because that is who he was targeting, was the ethnic minorities.
43:54
And they were kids, but these things were already going on in the
43:59
prison. They were already doing this type of stuff as far as these electrodes
44:05
and trying to see if they could predict violence, and obviously as far as
44:09
sex offenders. I mean, I think that most people wouldn't not be on
44:14
board with something like that. But you know, to me, someone like
44:19
Jolly, that's just him kind of being like, well, hey, focus
44:22
on this part, don't focus on the black kids. Right, But it
44:25
didn't get through. You know, the public wasn't stupid and they did get
44:29
it shut down. But yeah, he's quite a character. Wasn't that Originally?
44:36
That was approved initially by Ronald Reagan? Right? I think so?
44:42
H I thought so because it was approved and I think while Ronald Reagan was
44:47
the governor of California. Yeah, that sounds great to me because Ronald Reagan
44:53
was letting a lot of stuff slide. And then the public outcry of that
45:00
basically got to shut down. And it's like, wow, if they were
45:05
talking about putting electrodes in people's brains all the way back then, like how
45:09
far has it gone now? You know what I mean? Like Elon Musk
45:15
and his neuralink implants. I mean that guy on Joe Rogan, the first
45:21
guy that got one of those. I don't know if you watched that episode
45:24
or not, but he was talking about that they've had the technology since the
45:30
early nineties, but they've been doing it since the early nineties. Like putting
45:34
electrodes and brain chips in people's heads doesn't surprise me. I just would never,
45:42
I would never trust I just you know, there's a black Rock brain
45:47
chip, which it's like, good luck if you want Blackrock controlling your brain.
45:52
And I mean, I think it's the same thing for Elon Musk.
45:54
And I think that Joe Rogan is like a super big limited hangout. I
46:00
like him. I like Joe Rogan. I listened to Joe Rogan. Don't
46:02
bash my man, Okay, I'm not bashing him. No, I mean
46:06
I've I've listened to him, you know, and I think that he offers
46:08
some interesting insights. But I definitely think that he's a major limited hangout.
46:14
And I know that that's an unpopular take. No, a lot of people
46:17
don't like him, but I mean, the man's only got so much that,
46:21
I mean, he's only got so much time. He's doing shows like
46:23
it three or four times a week, like you only got so much time
46:27
to He's like a freaking announcer for the UFC. He's doing like a lot
46:30
of shit, Like I can't expect him to look into every single little thing,
46:35
but when people do, that's the thing is like when people do bring
46:37
him new information, he then changes his mind and then he refocuses on that
46:44
new information that's given. I don't know, people give him a hard time.
46:47
I like him. I've always liked him. So people are allowed to
46:52
enjoy things. Life is too short. We're allowed to enjoy what we enjoy.
46:55
Yeah, yeah, I like him. So Jolly West. Let's get
47:00
into a little bit more of Jolly West, because I know he was involved
47:04
with was he involved with man? He was involved with Manson, and he
47:07
was involved with Son of Sam. Well, No, it wasn't Manson,
47:10
it was uh Jack Ruby. He visited Jack Ruby in prison, the guy
47:17
that shot Oswald. And then after he visited Oswald, Oswald started going out
47:24
of his mind and like talking about all kinds of like weird shit and saying
47:29
that the goblins was the ones that made him shoot and kill Oswald. So
47:37
that's how the story goes, is that yes, it's interesting because when you
47:43
read all of Jolly's foy of file, it's he really inserts himself into the
47:50
case with Ruby, and it's like why. And at first the judge wasn't
47:55
having it. The judge didn't want him to be involved. He's like,
47:59
why are you trying to get in on this case? Why are you trying
48:01
to see Jack Ruby? And obviously I think that whatever transpired, you know,
48:07
while he was overseeing Ruby's psychiatric care, you know, it served its
48:13
purpose. As far as Jolly West and Manson, well, you know,
48:19
it depends what you think about Tom O'Neill and Chaos. I have a lot
48:22
of problems with Tom O'Neill. I have a lot of problems with Chaos,
48:25
and I have a lot of problems with his research team. I do think
48:30
that there is an argument to be made. I think that Tom, at
48:32
least you know, I don't see you throughout the baby with the bathwater.
48:36
I think that he provided a good enough amount of information to show that,
48:42
at a bare minimum, the Manson scene itself, just the family, not
48:46
even talking about the process right now, but just the family, there was
48:51
a heavy hand of intelligence that was involved. Do I think that Jolly was
48:58
the one behind everything. No, I don't. And one of the reasons
49:01
why is because Tom O'Neill just went on Rick Rubin's show, probably about a
49:06
month ago. Now, Rick Rubin mister Process himself, where he said that
49:10
Ted Gunderson of co Intel pro is the one that told him to look into
49:15
Jolly West regarding Charles Manson. So that's a huge red flag to me.
49:20
I don't wack Rubin the music producer. Rick Rubin, how was he involved
49:27
with the Process Church. That's a very long story recording the production of I
49:34
think it's Skinny Puppy's album, the Process, other Process bands. He's he's
49:39
deeply tied in with the Process. It's I can't sit here and spout it
49:45
off in my head because I wasn't ready. Sorry, But if you even
49:49
look on his Wikipedia, like Skinny Puppy nine inch nails that scene, Temple
49:54
of the Psychic Youth, Psychic TV. He's involved in a lot of the
50:00
production of those albums. And so I say it's the Process Church cover Upper
50:07
Movement. That's the argument that I call it. Because nobody wants to talk
50:12
about the Process. Everybody says that the Process doesn't exist but a lot of
50:15
these people are espousing processing and beliefs. They're still practicing processing and theology and
50:21
espousing it. And Tom O'Neil hasn't really been doing many interviews for a few
50:27
years. You know. He went on Joe Rogan, he went on Danny
50:30
Jones, and obviously you know the book Blew Up. It's a very juicy
50:35
story about an old case that people think is kind of open and shut.
50:38
And he did break down the Vincent Blugliosi narrative, and I do think that
50:44
he deserves credit for that, but I also think that Ed Sanders had already
50:49
done that before. I think that Ed Sanders broke that argument for him.
50:54
I think that, in my opinion, Tom O'Neill is given the government shill
51:01
narrative. That's where I'm at at this point, And I didn't used to
51:05
feel this way. I used to be a really big fan of Chaos,
51:07
and I really like had Tom's back, not that he needs my support or
51:13
gives a damn about it. He doesn't even know who I am, necessarily,
51:15
But you know, I didn't know what the process was. I had
51:21
never heard of it when I read Chaos, because I hadn't read The Family.
51:24
I had just read Chaos thought it was fricking great, and I'm like,
51:29
Okay, this Jolly West character sounds really crazy, right, But when
51:34
I read The Family and then I read the original version of the Family with
51:38
the full chapter about the process, and then you learn that Ed Sanders won
51:45
a lawsuit against the Process in the UK and made case law against that light
51:50
in that libel suit. And you read through the court records, which I
51:53
have. They're pretty daunting and some of it is boring, but there's a
51:58
lot of good information in there. You see that Ed Sanders was right.
52:02
I think that this whole you know Cia mk Ultra, you know this heavy
52:10
hand behind the scenes of Charles Manson. I think that this is a distraction
52:15
from the involvement of the process. Am I saying that Jolly West wasn't involved?
52:21
Not at all. I think that there's a very good likelihood that out
52:23
of the hay Ashbury Clinic. I think that they were probably supplying the family
52:28
with a lot of drugs. They were probably giving the Brotherhood of Eternal Love
52:31
Ken Kesey all of them. They were probably all swapping and trading and using
52:37
the motorcycle gangs. I mean, that was pretty much their street henchman,
52:42
you know what I mean, And that's an easy way to move drugs and
52:45
kind of be hands off God. You know, if somebody gets arrested or
52:47
something happens, it's you know, enough plausible deniability at that point. I
52:54
just I don't endorse any of these narratives that don't create evaluate the process.
53:00
And the reason why I give Tom such a hard time besides his research team,
53:06
is because he also ignores the documented proof of Charles Manson being heavily involved
53:10
in scientology. He says in his book that Manson dabbled in scientology and that's
53:17
pretty much all that he says. He doesn't go into anything else. The
53:22
Church. Well, scientology was very new at that time. Right when did
53:25
scientology start in their late forties and early fifties. Yeah, I wouldn't say
53:32
it was new, And I mean the process was around at that time too,
53:37
because you know, the process was kind of lurky. I mean not
53:39
in the fifties, not in the forties, but the process started in the
53:43
very early sixties. But you know, Manson got roughly one hundred and twenty
53:47
hours of auditing while he was in prison back to back, which from what
53:52
I'm told, is an insane amount that is basically meant to drive you crazy.
53:58
And then they through him in the hole. Someone gave him acid,
54:01
So I think that there's a good argument that there's some MK activity going on
54:06
there. And when he came out of the hole, he said, I
54:09
left my soul in the hole. Now, this is information that comes directly
54:14
from the Church of Scientology CIA, So the Church of Scientology has a very
54:20
vested interest and the Charles Manson narrative up to the now, because I've seen
54:24
correspondence between Tom's research team and the Church of Scientology CIA recently. But then
54:31
I also have went to Ed Sanders archives twice in New Jersey, and you
54:37
see where the Church is reaching out to Ed, trying to get information from
54:40
Ed. They were running fair game on Ed, and so was the process
54:44
because the process is technically a part of scientology. They would technically answer to
54:50
Hubbard, especially at that time. But I mean they were running a lot
54:52
of fair game on ED. I think part of the reason why Tom's book
54:57
was allowed to be so successful and he really hasn't gotten any grief, is
55:01
because he does not mention scientology or the process that's why. Yeah, scientology
55:07
was started in nineteen fifteen according to Wikipedia. But did you watch the Son
55:16
of Sam Netflix documentary. I did. I got into a disagreement with the
55:22
director of that today. They hit on like the process a little bit and
55:29
then they just like leave it alone. They just like don't dive into it
55:32
anymore. And I'm like that was like a really big setup and then like
55:37
a huge lotdown. Wow, I'm going to clip this and I'm gonna send
55:44
it to him because from what he told me, he would very in depth.
55:51
So I when I had started going through my research, because I need
55:55
to give a little bit of background so there's context. I intended to research
56:00
the process. My theory, my big noided theory that I was going on
56:05
an adventure with was that I believe l Ron Hubbard is the father of the
56:08
late Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino. That's what I think, And I think that
56:13
Aquino was basically like the homunculus moonchild. I just don't think it's they randomly
56:19
created a child, you know, with this weird sort of magic. I
56:22
think it's a honeypot operation. And that's a different story for a different day.
56:27
But I knew in moving through that timeline, getting through a quino that
56:31
I was going to have to go through, you know, Kenneth Anger,
56:36
Anton Levy, the Church of Satan, obviously, the Manson narrative and talking
56:39
about the process and when you're looking at the stuff with The Son of Sam
56:47
in particular, I hadn't read The Ultimate Evil. I didn't know that the
56:52
re release which was The Sons of Sam, the Ultimate Evil re release on
56:58
Audible. I didn't know that that was Josh Zeman, the director of that
57:01
documentary, that that was his edit. It's a very different book. It's
57:07
a very different book, and it also paints Mary Terry as a huge conspiracy
57:12
theorist who lost his mind, who was not really credible. There were a
57:15
lot of things that were removed from that book, particularly death Mask about Andrew
57:21
Crispo. And then I think it was probably two months later, maybe three
57:27
months later, because I don't have Netflix, somebody sent me in an email
57:32
the files of the four I think that was four episodes that documentary, and
57:37
so then I sat down and watched it and it's very visually stimulating. The
57:43
old videos of the process are really high quality. But yes, it's a
57:46
complete whitewash, and the documentary literally ends with the processed Church of the Final
57:53
Judgment has never been charged with any crimes. They disbanded in nineteen seventy four,
58:00
where there are rumors of involvement with Charles Manson, but these things are
58:04
not substantiated, and it's like, okay, so we're just going to exonerate
58:10
everybody, you know, based off of that. And I'm not judged Dury
58:14
an executioner. But the fact of the matter is is if you're talking about
58:20
the Sun of Sam, David Berker Whitz is still alive. He's an elderly
58:23
man. He still goes up for parole. You know, he has to
58:25
go, you know, the parole meetings. They give him the parole meetings.
58:30
However often it is he says that he goes out of respect. That
58:34
way, he can just say hello, say his piece. He's not seeking
58:38
parole. This he just went for parole in May. He declined it.
58:42
He's not trying to get out of jail. That's not what that documentary was
58:46
for. You know, his story initially, everybody knows that somebody tried to
58:53
take his life while he was in prison. He has that massive scar across
58:57
his neck. That was after he started coming out about the cult. That's
59:01
when that happened. The idea that his life is not still in danger because
59:07
I've had a lot of problems talking about these people. This is something that
59:12
people still don't want it to be talked about. They don't want these things
59:16
to be uncovered. So the idea that David Berkowitz just made it up,
59:22
like you know, the talking to the dog. When I heard the talking
59:27
to the dog thing, because I had never looked at the son of Sam.
59:29
But once I started reading about the process and I heard that he talked
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to a dog, I said, that's the process, because the process loves
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the animals, right, like they're all about the German shepherds. And I'm
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like, okay, well that was a black lab, but like this is
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the process. And then looking at the heavy hand of the process in the
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Charles Manson crimes, and then you start looking at all of these other narratives
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that insist that the process isn't involved. I would highly disagree. These people
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would not be getting their panties in a twist if there wasn't something there,
1:00:00
including mister Zeeman, the director of that documentary, who again I mean literally
1:00:06
today just came out of nowhere responding to a very old tweet of mine,
1:00:13
because there are a lot of their sins of omission in my opinion. In
1:00:17
regards to the discussion of the Process, I've gotten into arguments with the spokesperson
1:00:22
of the Satanic Temple, Lucian Greeves, Doug Dougie, Doug Mesico, Doug
1:00:29
Messner. I've gotten into arguments with him about this because Process theology specifically advocates
1:00:35
death, murder, chaos. They are a alien death cult who are calling
1:00:40
for the end of humanity and animals are pure. That's where Best Friends Animal
1:00:45
Society comes in. But I just don't think that these people wouldn't be getting
1:00:52
their panties in a twist if there wasn't something there. Listen, I respect
1:00:58
any filmmaker, anybody that's put together a film, because I've done it.
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I know how hard of work it is, and I know sometimes you have
1:01:06
to leave things out like that's just the way that it is, you know,
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like you have to cut some things out of your documentary. Now,
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I don't know the gentleman that you're referring to. I have no affiliation with
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him, and I know anything really about it. I just thought that it
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was interesting that there was like this huge build up to the processed Church and
1:01:22
everything within that documentary and then like it just fell flat. It just didn't
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go anywhere with it. And I'm like, well, why would you build
1:01:30
that up so hard to just have it fall off? You know? And
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I understand that creating something like that, because you do have to create something
1:01:37
that's visually stimulating to something in the trees people, And when you're making a
1:01:42
series like that, like especially like a Netflix series that has multiple episodes,
1:01:46
you have to do cliffhangers, right, You have to hit people with cliffhangers
1:01:52
every episode to get them to watch the next episode. I mean, the
1:01:54
rule in Netflix is if you get people hooked within the first four to five
1:01:59
minutes, they're gonna watch until the ten to twelve minute mark, and if
1:02:02
you hook them again at the twelve minute mark, they're going to continue to
1:02:06
watch. So I understand the process of that's interesting, the process of the
1:02:10
process Church. But I understand the process of editing and filmmaking. And sometimes
1:02:16
you can't cover an entire subject because if you do, when it falls flat,
1:02:23
two people lose interest. You have to keep switching and flipping back and
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forth. It's hard to stay on something for a long period of time until
1:02:30
people are just like, what's going on here? You know, why do
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you keep, you know, focusing on this one thing. But I did
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enjoy it. I did like it, and I also like the Cropsy documentary
1:02:43
as well. I just have a respect for film. I'm a film lover.
1:02:45
I like watching documentaries and I like seeing what other people have to talk
1:02:52
about. Now, was was Jolly West involved with Surian? Surian is something
1:03:00
that is kind of debated within that milieu of research. There's some people think
1:03:07
that it was William doctor William J. Bryan who hypnotized Sir Hand. There
1:03:12
are some people that think that it's Jolly And then you know there's FBI and
1:03:16
Immigration reports that the process was involved in the stuff with Sir Han. That
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you know that some of that stuff involving Sharon Tate, Boy Chick Forkowski,
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Abbiil Folger and jac Bring that that is tied into the RFK stuff too.
1:03:34
But again, these things are not talked about as far as specifically who did
1:03:37
it. I mean, Sir Han identified a photo of Jolly West. He
1:03:43
was given I think a photo of five different individuals, his lawyer, and
1:03:47
the man is deceased now, but he was one of the world's most renown
1:03:53
hypnotism experts and had a very respectable resume. They spent a lot of time
1:04:00
with Sir Hann and they gave him five photos. He pointed to Jolly and
1:04:03
he said, I don't know where I know him from, because I don't
1:04:06
remember anything from that night he goes, but I recognize that man for some
1:04:12
reason. I just I don't know that there's definitive proof. William J.
1:04:16
Bryan was certainly heavy in that scene. You know, there's rumors that he
1:04:21
was hanging out with Aunt Charles Manson as well. So, I mean,
1:04:25
a lot of this stuff is really incestuous, and I agree. I think
1:04:30
that it's incredibly difficult to cover any sort of topic in something as short as
1:04:38
four episodes. My gripe is in particular with the process, is that that
1:04:45
Cropsy documentary. A lot of people don't know, but I found the I
1:04:49
have the magazine. I've shown it. Because I hadn't seen Cropsy, I
1:04:54
didn't know what it was, and everybody started losing their shit. Excuse my
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French in my live chat when I showed the magazine on air. The Process
1:05:01
Church of the Final Judgment had a volunteer program at Willowbrook that entire time that
1:05:09
was left out of that documentary. I have a really big problem with that
1:05:14
because you know, Mike Codella, former detective, He's talked about going and
1:05:19
trying to talk to Grimston, that he believes that David Berkowitz did not act
1:05:25
alone, that he believes that the cult was likely involved in the stuff with
1:05:29
Andrey Rand. And there's been a lot of stuff in the late Maury Terry's
1:05:33
files that we've been able to substantiate that the process is right there, the
1:05:38
process is on the same street, that there are process ins in the same
1:05:43
house with Andre Rand, that these are people that Maury and his team were
1:05:47
tailing. So that's my big gripe with it. I don't not want people
1:05:53
to be successful. I enjoy films. Documentaries are my favorite. I prefer
1:05:58
documentaries over films, and I have no problem with people being successful. My
1:06:05
problem is when people are a you know, trying to make a name for
1:06:13
themselves by disrespecting the dead and using their work to do so and leaving out
1:06:19
things that are very relevant. Because I think that if it would have been
1:06:24
discussed that the process had a volunteer program at Willowbrook, it would be a
1:06:29
very different conversation. And I think that, you know, Mike Codella probably
1:06:32
could have gotten that whole thing reopened. He probably would have been able to
1:06:36
investigate Robert de Grimston. I mean, I don't know, because I've done
1:06:41
the whole history on Robert de Grimston and his family. You know, he's
1:06:45
from a nobility lineage, and a lot of those process ins were you know,
1:06:49
I six people. So I mean, obviously there are people that are
1:06:54
higher up in the ranks that would be calling the shots, that could put
1:06:58
the kibosh on that. But I just I don't I'm not for lying for
1:07:02
profit. If you're saying that you're out here seeking the truth and that's why
1:07:08
you're making a documentary, because you're trying to get to the bottom of it,
1:07:11
which is how it's painted and cropsy and how it's painted. In the
1:07:15
Sons of Sam, that's not the case when you look at the files of
1:07:18
Mary Terry, which are very limited. Uh that public release of files is
1:07:24
not his entire set of files. There's just a lot of things that are
1:07:29
left out and That's where my issue comes in, because you know, I
1:07:33
only feel like I've brushed the surface, and Ed Sanders is the only one
1:07:38
that had what the scientologists would call fair game. I would imagine that the
1:07:43
processans would probably call it fair game or some type of you know, black
1:07:46
operation gang stocking. And I've also had some of these things happen to me
1:07:53
by some of these people, including founding members of the Process that are still
1:07:57
alive. Uh So that's why I don't buy these people that run out here
1:08:01
saying that the Process disbanded in nineteen seventy four. They're not involved in Manson
1:08:05
or the Sunda sam or the Atlanta child murders or the Hand of Death cult.
1:08:10
And there's nothing weird going on with the animals in Utah Best Friends Animal
1:08:15
Society. I just I don't buy it. Well, it's also interesting too
1:08:19
because it's it's not like that any of these documentaries or any of these TV
1:08:28
shows that are on these big streaming platforms like HBO, like Netflix, like
1:08:33
Hulu and all that, it's not like they really solve anything. They're not
1:08:39
there to solve anything. It's sort of like ancient Aliens, right, Ancient
1:08:42
Aliens is just there to make you a question and come out with more ideas
1:08:46
and thoughts and theories and speculations than what you had previously before you watched an
1:08:51
episode of Engine Aliens. Right, So it's like, but check out my
1:08:57
documentary JFKX Solving the Crime of the Century where we do actually solve something in
1:09:01
our documentary. But a little plug there, But did you watch program The
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program cons Cults and Kidnapping on nothing? Oh my god, you gotta watch
1:09:15
that data. I'm so good. I'm way behind on catching up with like
1:09:20
all the documentaries and stuff. What is it? It's about this? Uh,
1:09:26
it's about the teen behavioral health schools. Have you looked into any of
1:09:30
the teen behavioral health schools that started in Utah? And then this place?
1:09:34
Well, that's what the documentary is about. Essentially, the programs cons cults
1:09:39
and kidnapping and it basically focuses on this place in upstate New York called Ivy
1:09:45
Ridge. And like they show footage, they have like pictures and like all
1:09:49
the documents and everything, it's a wild it's a wild rabbit hole like the
1:09:55
behavioral health teen industry. Oh wild, Like they would literally kidnap kids in
1:10:01
the middle of the night, throw them in a blacked out suv, put
1:10:04
them on a plane, whatever, like arrest them and then like take them
1:10:09
to one of these facilities, or take them into the mountains of Utah and
1:10:14
have them walk around in the mountains for sixty days or seventy days or for
1:10:18
a whole summer. The exactly what it was. That's exactly what it was.
1:10:27
And in the documentary that I was mentioning on Netflix that we're talking about
1:10:30
that how they would use Stanley Kubrick's two thousand the opening to Stanley Kubricks two
1:10:35
thousand and one a space Odyssey. Every single day they would just like play
1:10:41
it on repeat at this facility at Ivy Ridge, and they would make these
1:10:45
kids be doing like this weird stuff like hands up, hands down, hounds
1:10:48
the side, hands together, like just like programming these kids. That's so
1:10:55
weird. And their parents paid for it. Their parents paid for It's terrible.
1:11:00
That's absolutely terrible. Like they paid like thousands and thousands of dollars,
1:11:04
some up in like close to half a million dollars to have their kids taken
1:11:10
to the school, and then it turns out that they could graduate from the
1:11:14
school right whenever they say they got there when they were fourteen, because some
1:11:17
of them got there really young, like twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old,
1:11:21
that could graduate when they're eighteen. And they're handed a like a high
1:11:26
school diploma, right, it's supposed to be a real official high school diploma.
1:11:30
Well it wasn't. The diploma wasn't even real. They were fake diplomas.
1:11:36
So not only have all these kids gone through all this trauma and like
1:11:40
this torture and like this abuse from these behavioral modification schools growing up, they
1:11:46
don't even have a high school diploma. That's it's a tragedy, you know.
1:11:54
And that's that's that's adding insult to injury. And I think I think
1:11:59
you're right. I don't expect documentaries to And it's a good point, and
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I'm glad you brought it up that those documentaries don't solve anything. The only
1:12:12
reason why I bring up my issues with these things is because the people involved
1:12:17
in these projects seem to get their panties in a twist in regards to what
1:12:24
I'm doing. And I'm literally a hillbilly in the woods sitting on a floor
1:12:28
right now. I've got like the most ghetto setup. Ever, but these
1:12:31
people have docked me, They've gang stoked me, they've harassed me. They
1:12:36
there's a fake YouTube channel out there right now that's me being a processian and
1:12:43
the spokesperson for the Satanic Temple has literally emailed a very big podcaster that a
1:12:48
lot of people are a fan of saying real crazy stuff about me and my
1:12:53
family and that I'm part of some like Santa Ria drug cartel cult. I
1:12:59
don't really know what to tell people. Normally I wouldn't care, you know,
1:13:02
It's I'm just on here showing people the things that I'm finding. I'm
1:13:06
not telling anybody what to think. I'm certainly voicing my opinion, but I
1:13:11
clarify when i'm doing so. But you know, these seemingly unrelated narratives are
1:13:18
related, and for whatever reason, has caught the attention of the parties that
1:13:25
are involved in these big name projects as far as you know, Netflix and
1:13:30
these books, and I mean, eventually this is going to tie into the
1:13:32
whole Octopus documentary and the Danelaro stuff. Did you watch that? Yeah?
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I did watch it, but that I liked it. But they're but they
1:13:45
left a lot out and the only reason why that ties in is because of
1:13:48
Michael Reconciuto, because Michael Reconciuto was an informant in Hyde Ashbury who was there
1:13:54
to watch Abigail Folger and Charles Manson. Holy shit, I didn't know that.
1:14:00
Yeah, yeah, that ties in there. I had much stuff about
1:14:05
Michael Verkona Shudo that wasn't brought up in that documentary though, like his work
1:14:11
on like freaking UFOs and like programming things for like the the government related to
1:14:16
their anti gravity crime, like all kinds of stuff that just wasn't mentioned.
1:14:21
But I actually really enjoyed it. I thought that they did a good job.
1:14:25
And I think the thing that wasn't followed up on, just like the
1:14:29
Processed Church really wasn't followed up on within the Sun of Sam documentary was the
1:14:35
fact that the government made this promise software and then sold that software to all
1:14:42
the other intelligence community countries in the world. They had a backdoor into it
1:14:46
to where that they could spy on that. Like they just kind of brushed
1:14:50
over that a little bit. I'm like, what, like, that's something
1:14:55
kind of big there. You kind of like come back to that. They
1:15:00
they left a lot to be desired. I think that they you know whether
1:15:03
they left it out on purpose or not, I don't really know, but
1:15:06
I just did like a thread breaking down, you know, part of Danny
1:15:12
Cassolaro's the side of his dad's family part of it. It's weird that Michael
1:15:18
Riconciuto is kind of in and out of the Hate Ashbury at that time,
1:15:23
and Danny's younger sister I believe she was murdered, said that she overdosed,
1:15:28
but she was in the Hate Ashbury at that time. I think that that's
1:15:30
really weird that Michael Riconciudo's there as well. And then you know he's giving
1:15:36
information through Ted Gunderson to Maury Terry. So there's also this very weird sort
1:15:45
of information flow coming into the Son of Sam narrative and the Castelaro family.
1:15:50
They come from Yonkers, which is where all a lot of that Son of
1:15:56
Sam stuff is. As far as you know, the car family saying from
1:16:00
the Son of Sam. There's just a lot of seemingly unrelated narratives. And
1:16:05
yeah, you know that whole thing about Robert Maxwell, you know, getting
1:16:11
involved with the Promised stuff. And that's my big gripe with Whitney Webb is
1:16:15
because you know, she does not talk about the Scientology ties at all in
1:16:18
her book, which I have a big problem with because I think it's weird
1:16:21
that Robert Maxwell was a scientologist. I think it's weird that ed Nan Kushogi's
1:16:26
wife was a scientologist. And I think that there's a very good likelihood that
1:16:30
Jeffrey Epstein was involved in scientology because it's a status symbol. You know,
1:16:34
people think of celebrities. I mean, obviously, you know some people think
1:16:39
of like Tom Cruise jumping up and down on a couch and laughing like a
1:16:42
maniac. But like it is portrayed that you have to have a lot of
1:16:46
money to move up within the organization, and it is primarily celebrities and it's
1:16:51
relatively secretive. I would just think that that would be something that should be
1:16:57
discussed because she talks about Sun Young Moon and the Unification Church as far as
1:17:00
their financial involvement and all of that, but Scientology was also involved. So
1:17:06
I just don't understand why you're talking about one thing and not another. But
1:17:11
I would imagine that her endorsement of Robert Kennedy, who's a lawyer for the
1:17:16
Church of Scientology, that's probably why. So well, scientology has been exposed
1:17:24
so much, I don't understand why people are still keeping name closed lips about
1:17:30
it. I mean, there's been so much that's come out about scientology and
1:17:33
the things that's going on within scientology that it bewilders me that people are still
1:17:42
like not wanting to talk about because the gang they pretty much el Ron Hubbard
1:17:48
pretty much like invented gang stalking with fair game, you know, like I
1:17:53
mean, I think that he's really one of the og architects of perfecting gang
1:17:58
stalking. You know, her game is destroy, you know, eradicate,
1:18:03
punish killed, no matter the cost, whether it's black pr no matter what
1:18:09
it is. Because you know, one of the biggest scandals it was Operation
1:18:12
freak Out. It was in the seventies, involving a woman named paulat Cooper
1:18:15
who wrote unfavorably about the church. They were able to forge from her with
1:18:23
fingerprints a bomb threat to Henry Kissinger. She went to jail twice over that.
1:18:28
She was tried twice for it because it was so believable because they had
1:18:31
perfected that. They had tried to convince her to take her life. They
1:18:36
set her up with a you know, fake plant boyfriend, and that's a
1:18:41
really crazy story. And in the Son of Sam, you have I believe
1:18:45
that Sam of the Son of Sam, as well as one of his sons,
1:18:48
Michael Carr, you know, they were Scientologists. It's not Michael Carr,
1:18:56
the son that died, the second son that died in that case,
1:19:00
that died in a car accident. He was working at the exact same organization,
1:19:04
the Scientology Org in New York where they were running that black operation on
1:19:09
Paul at Cooper. I'm of the opinion that the Son of Sam letters,
1:19:13
I think that that was a black op by the Church of Scientology on the
1:19:15
process because I think that the car Boys as well as David Berkowitz and others
1:19:23
were bringing a little bit too much negative attention with what they were doing.
1:19:27
But I mean, that's just my personal opinion. Because if you can fake
1:19:30
a bomb threat to Henry Kissinger, you can certainly fake a couple of I'm
1:19:35
out here hunting women and Sam is you know, beating his kids and you
1:19:42
know, we're drinking blood for demons and the gutters and yc. You can
1:19:45
forge that very easily. Who was involved with Timothy and Levy was that Jolly
1:19:54
West as well Timothy McVay. So, doctor Wendy Painting speaking of mind,
1:20:01
Yeah, no, I'm glad you brought it up. In regards to that.
1:20:05
It's kind of the same thesis that Tom O'Neill ends with, which is
1:20:12
was it Jolly or was it one of his underlings? And there are some
1:20:15
people that she talked to that, you know, say, you know,
1:20:19
if you ask, Jolly put a chip in mcvay's brain, and he put
1:20:25
a chip in mcvey's. But so you know, there's some beer McVeigh talking
1:20:30
about after he went to the hospital that they took him and then did they
1:20:32
took a chip out of his house or is that made up? As far
1:20:39
as the details of that, I don't know what's necessarily true or not.
1:20:45
I know that paint Doctor Wendy Painting was going to come out with another book,
1:20:50
but she had her own gang Stocking campaign against her, and so now
1:20:54
she's been releasing it in chunks on Twitter, which is unfortunate for her because
1:20:59
I think that she did really good job of talking about not only Timothy mcveay
1:21:02
in that book. She talked about pat Con, she talked about Ruby Ridge,
1:21:06
she talked about Columbine, She talked about a lot of things in that
1:21:10
book, and it's a doctoral thesis type of book. But just like with
1:21:15
Manson and you know McVeigh, it's you have Jolly, but you also have
1:21:19
his underlings at the time, because a lot of Jolly's underlings were involved with
1:21:24
the Manson trials after the fact, and a lot of the papers that they
1:21:28
published as the trials were going on in regards to LSD and communes, LST
1:21:33
and violence, marijuana and violence. They were publishing a lot of these papers,
1:21:39
and it's Jolly and his peers, his underlings who ended up testifying at
1:21:44
these trials. And I think you know the arguments there because there were reports
1:21:49
that you know, there were guards asking why Jolly was being allowed to go
1:21:55
in and see Timothy McVay. So many times there were guards that got foed,
1:22:00
they lost their jobs for that, and they said that he was pretending
1:22:02
to be a dentist. So was Jolly going in there to see Timothy McVeigh
1:22:09
pretending to be a dentist. Who really knows and who would really be able
1:22:12
to stop him? I don't. I think that Jolly West is a really
1:22:16
big red herring. I see him as a caricature, and I think that
1:22:20
he is being trotted out to sort of place him in a distant time.
1:22:27
I think that Wendy painting has brought him much more into the now with Timothy
1:22:31
McVay, and I think that that's really important to see that not only the
1:22:35
technology, but the power and you know, what they're able to do and
1:22:41
accomplish and cover up still goes on even though you know, granted it's been
1:22:45
some time, but at least pulling it out of that sixties like hippie counterculture.
1:22:51
But you know, Jolly wasn't the most powerful person. Sorry, the
1:22:56
Navy pulls rank over the CIA and Martin Orn. Sanders had a really big
1:23:00
file on Martin Orn, and I think that that's something that is worth discussing
1:23:05
and looking into because Martin Orn was doing, you know, hypnotic sort and
1:23:12
hypnotic suggestive research for the Office of Naval Research in the Office of Naval Intelligence.
1:23:17
A lot of people don't know that. I had never seen it before
1:23:19
I went to Ed's files, but I think that it is something worth exploring
1:23:25
because I think if Manson was involved in some sort of Navy research project,
1:23:30
I think that that's a lot more juicy than the CIA, because then who
1:23:34
really knows, because, like I said, I mean, their programs were
1:23:38
never shut down because they were never brought to light. That's right. That's
1:23:43
really interesting. And one thing that we can know for sure is that the
1:23:46
Manson Tape murders completely put the nail in the coffin of the anti war movement.
1:23:54
It just completely killed that entire movement when that happened in nineteen nine,
1:24:00
and it was like it was over. Yeah, the party stopped, the
1:24:06
party ended, which I think that was kind of the setup, like that
1:24:12
was the orchestration of that event, which I have no proof for. I'm
1:24:15
no evidence for him, just speaking theory here. That just seems to be
1:24:21
the case that And now I don't mean orchestrated as in the entire like it
1:24:27
was faked, right, but I mean orchestrating in the way that it stops
1:24:31
the hippie movement and the anti war movement, and it's pretty much over in
1:24:38
the beginning of the seventies. I don't disagree at all. I think that,
1:24:45
you know, whether all parties involved were aware that they were contributing to
1:24:50
that goal. I do think that there was a heavier hand that knew that
1:24:56
that was going to kind of be the effect that it would have on society
1:25:00
as a whole. I think part of it was to desensitize everybody, just
1:25:03
because of the brutality of the crimes, especially I understand Sharon Tate, Roman
1:25:09
Polanski. They were doing a lot of really messed up shit inside of that
1:25:13
house. It does I can't justify brutally stabbing a pregnant woman that many times
1:25:18
and then hanging her from the ceiling. I can't get with that. So
1:25:23
I think that that type of imagery was put out there and the way that
1:25:27
they handled it in the press was done for a reason to sort of not
1:25:30
only traumatize, but to start to desensitize people, because, in my opinion,
1:25:35
I think that the Manson crimes were the very beginning stages of the Satanic
1:25:42
panic. I think that that's when that started. We're ending the hippie culture.
1:25:45
The summer of love is over. Aultamont happened, Manson happened, and
1:25:50
now we're going to move into this sort of like disco right Like, now
1:25:55
we're using cocaine, we're not really using LSD. We've also got heroin on
1:26:00
the scene. We've got like the BDSM, the leather scene, all of
1:26:05
these things, and things start to take a very dark turn, and then
1:26:10
we have the Son of Sam crimes, and those crimes really put out the
1:26:15
sort of like satanic language, satanic imagery as far as the letters, you
1:26:23
know, using all those different symbols and the weird stuff that he was saying,
1:26:27
and this whole like there's a six thousand year old demon in a dog
1:26:31
telling me to kill people. And I'm like, Okay, I don't think
1:26:34
that that's what happened, but it freaked a lot of people. It freaked
1:26:36
enough people out in New York City to you know, have women, you
1:26:41
know, go cut dye their hair, you know what I'm saying. So
1:26:44
I think that that was its own sort of social experiment. And then after
1:26:47
that, not that long after, we have what a lot of people call
1:26:53
the Satanic Panic. I just think that those things were kind of leading up
1:26:56
to it in their own way. But I mean, yeah, it totally
1:27:00
ended the hippie culture in the anti war movement and made people scared. It
1:27:04
made people want more government come and save us. There's hippies out here murdering
1:27:09
everybody. Hid your kids, hide your wife, and then it's yeah,
1:27:16
exactly, and that it's the exact same thing with the Son of Sam,
1:27:20
except for it's just this one random guy who can somehow set two thousand fires
1:27:26
all over New York City and shoot a bunch of women and nobody, nobody
1:27:30
can catch him. But he just happens to be walking out of his apartment
1:27:33
when the cops are sitting there waiting, and he's smiling, ready to be
1:27:38
handcuffed. Okay, I'm so happy that you knew the hyda Kids Hydro Life
1:27:44
song. When you're talking about, you know, the voices in people's eyes
1:27:53
telling them to kill people, the first thing that comes in my mind is
1:27:55
the William de Fayo Amityville horror case where you just killed his entire family and
1:28:00
then so that it voices in his head told him to do it. I
1:28:06
think the skull technology is a very real thing. That is old technology that
1:28:14
comes like that that dates back to John C. Lily and his experiments with
1:28:17
dolphins, And I personally think I haven't talked about it in a while,
1:28:24
but I have posited the theory before on my channel that you know, if
1:28:29
David Berkowitz did hear voices specifically as far As Tamyr Park. The way that
1:28:35
it's been described, and I don't disagree from the photos I've seen, is
1:28:39
that it's sort of like an open air Masonic lodge. I think that that
1:28:43
would be a fantastic place to test some type of voice to skull technology,
1:28:47
because yeah, you can drive people crazy. There's been podcasts where former DARPA
1:28:55
executives go on and they're like, have you ever been walking down the sidewalk
1:28:59
and you suddenly have a good idea that could be us because we have a
1:29:02
little button that we can push. And it's like, that's not cool,
1:29:06
it's not funny. But the fact of the matter is is that they can
1:29:11
do it. They brag about it now. But this technology dates back many
1:29:15
decades, like back to the fifties when they started doing this stuff, and
1:29:19
if it can be used for good ideas, it can absolutely be used for
1:29:24
bad ideas. And I think that there's a lot of legitimacy, uh in
1:29:29
people saying that they're hearing voices telling them to do something, especially the time
1:29:34
of like the serial Killer. I think that there's a lot of legitimacy there,
1:29:39
and I think it goes outside of just LSD and like CIA doctors and
1:29:45
hypnotism. It's like, yo, what about the voice of skull technology.
1:29:48
That's a real thing, you know, that's been proven. There's you can
1:29:53
google the patents out there for it. They're old. But also trauma,
1:29:58
trauma does that exact same thing too, And drug abuse and drug psychosis.
1:30:04
You know, I worked in a drug and alcohol treatment center where people were
1:30:09
just out of their mind from a drug psychosis like that. There is a
1:30:15
guy in the back. I don't want to talk about it because it's kind
1:30:16
of you know, client privilege and all that, But the same types of
1:30:23
things that they were experiencing, again, are the same types of things that
1:30:27
these people that claim that they're they're targeted by the government are experiencing. So
1:30:31
you have a lot of different factors there. You have regular trauma they can
1:30:34
do that like, and then you have you know, the trauma mixed with
1:30:39
the drugs, illicted drugs, pharmaceutical drugs. You know, I really don't
1:30:44
think even if they I mean, we know that they have the technology,
1:30:48
but even if they are using the technology, I really don't believe in my
1:30:54
heart of hearts. Again, this is my personal opinion that that technology can
1:31:00
be used on a sober mind. It just can't on something when you're not
1:31:05
taking any drugs, you're not taking any alcohol, you're not involved in a
1:31:10
traumatic event, that technology cannot infiltrate into your mind because you have rationality,
1:31:16
you have critical thought, you have common sense. You know, if some
1:31:21
weird intrusive thought you would be you would automatically be like, that's not mine,
1:31:26
and you just immediately shut it down. You know, we have power
1:31:30
over our thoughts and power over our ideas. You know, it's just the
1:31:33
other shit that is being compounded in on that. You know, like the
1:31:39
drugs, like the alcohol, like the trauma, and like the things that
1:31:43
are going on in the world. And you can get into a psychosis,
1:31:46
not even like using. Some people can get into a psychosis just by going
1:31:51
into some of this research. You know, it's very overwhelming. You just
1:31:55
get down a deep, dark rabbit hole and you're like, oh shit,
1:31:58
not all this is a huge you know, psyop. It's all like and
1:32:01
then you just kind of like give up. Like your mind is a very
1:32:05
powerful tool and can be broken down. And you know, taking like mk
1:32:13
ultra and they split your personality and create the disassociative aspect of that, you
1:32:19
know, I don't. I think I think it's a it's an array of
1:32:24
things. I think it's a combination of a bunch of things. It's not
1:32:28
just one singular thing that you can pinpoint it to. I mean, over
1:32:34
I read a study from twenty fourteen to twenty and sixteen. It shows that
1:32:40
it's at that time forty eight percent of the United States population is on a
1:32:45
pharmaceutical drug, you know, and that was from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen.
1:32:51
You know, it's up over half the population by now for sure.
1:32:58
Then you get into what I was talking about earlier with this MK Ultra stuff
1:33:01
and then taking the same people to manufactured LSD also manufactured prozact I mean,
1:33:06
it's just like it's like a that's the thing, is like you have to
1:33:14
be medicated. And that was a big thing within the Ultra project too.
1:33:17
I believe there was one hundred and sixty drugs something like that. Don't quote
1:33:21
me, but a lot of drugs that they were testing on people, including
1:33:25
benzodiazepy and including the antidepressants, including antipsychotics including Adderall and Riddlin. It wasn't
1:33:32
just all. And another thing is that people don't really talk about. Is
1:33:36
Sydney Gottlieb, which was the face of this mk Ultra program. He was
1:33:41
the head of the CIA at the time, and he kind of took the
1:33:44
fall for the whole thing other than that there was other people involved with it,
1:33:47
but he was kind of put out there as the face. He had
1:33:50
an older brother, his name was David Gottlieb, and he was a plant
1:33:57
biologist. So Sidney gall who's experimenting on all these drugs, the CIA designer
1:34:04
drugs, and he had a brother that was a freaking plant biologist. Someone
1:34:09
needs to look into that, do a little more research into that, because
1:34:12
what's the chance is that somebody that's using all these weird, strange CIA designer
1:34:16
drugs and you got a brother that's a freaking plant biologist. Yeah, Yeah,
1:34:23
I don't. I don't believe in coincidences, and I don't I think
1:34:28
you're right. I think that there are always varying factors. I just and
1:34:32
specific Like with the son of Sam's story, you know, it wasn't reported
1:34:35
that he was using drugs or you know, was really partying a lot,
1:34:40
so it could have been a number of things. And obviously weird stuff going
1:34:44
on with the cult. I just think that a lot of people kind of
1:34:47
blow off some of this well established technology. But that also just kind of
1:34:54
tells me that people don't read, which is unfortunate, and you can't make
1:34:58
anybody read. Oh but did you did you know Dana, that reading is
1:35:02
now considered if you read and you do your own research, that leads to
1:35:09
believing in conspiracy theories? Well, did you read that article from Vice?
1:35:17
I literally got called a que it on like conspiracy theorists. Yeah, I
1:35:24
know, yep, scientists say, explain, scientists, explain why doing your
1:35:30
own research leads to believing conspiracies? Right? And do what is doing your
1:35:36
own research, Dana? Doing your own research is reading. So they're literally
1:35:41
telling you not to read because reading leads to conspiracy theories, conspiratorial thinking.
1:35:49
Yeah, that's uh, that's why I tell people, you know, they
1:35:54
don't want you to trust your own eyes, they don't want you to trust
1:35:57
your ears, they don't want you to trust your your instincts. And that's
1:36:01
why I show people, you know, especially on my channel, like I'll
1:36:06
have threads on Twitter, I always bring it over to YouTube for the people
1:36:11
that are not on Twitter. That way they can see it, They can
1:36:14
see the documentation for themselves, and then they can interpret it in their own
1:36:17
way. But people got to know that this stuff is out here, and
1:36:20
they need to be allowed to read it for themselves and process it in their
1:36:25
own brains for themselves and form their own opinion, because they are trying to
1:36:29
take that away from you. I mean, I am of the full belief
1:36:31
that they are trying to take away any sort of what their perception of what
1:36:39
they can take away of our autonomy. I think that that this kind of
1:36:43
crap. I mean, obviously, to me, this is a stupid headline,
1:36:45
This is dumb. But there are people that will look at that and
1:36:48
be like, well, the scientists said it. We got to trust the
1:36:51
science, right, So there are people that would endorse that, And I
1:36:57
just I think that people need to remember that your brain is a very powerful
1:37:00
tool. And you know, they've been trying to recreate the human mind for
1:37:06
forever. That's why Elon killed a lot of the monkeys, because he really
1:37:11
hasn't figured it out. And I'm not wishing ill upon anybody that gets any
1:37:15
of the neuralink brain chips or the Blackrock brain ships. Best of luck,
1:37:18
God, bless. I hope everything works out, but you know, the
1:37:23
human brain is very complex, and they've been trying to recreate it for a
1:37:28
very long time and they have yet to be successful. And that's for a
1:37:30
reason. What do you think that these scientists read in research to come to
1:37:40
these conclusions about other people reading and doing researching leads to conspiracies. It sounds
1:37:47
very hypocritically. Excuse me, how did you guys come to this conclusion.
1:37:58
I'm wondering if, like they were on ford chan or read it and they're
1:38:01
like, oh no, no, no, no, I really have no
1:38:05
idea. I don't data of voids that increase belief in conspiracies. Oh well,
1:38:12
I mean, you know QAnon. I don't deny it. QAnon's a
1:38:15
real problem. But I feel like if they were talking about QAnon, they
1:38:18
probably would have put that in that headline, but they did it. So
1:38:23
I am wondering what weird like Reddit rabbit hole one of them went down.
1:38:29
That would be really funny. I want to know what they were reading,
1:38:31
because there's some there's some wacky stuff. But that's what I appreciate about about
1:38:35
you, though, is like you don't really say too much. You're kind
1:38:42
of like me in the sense that you don't say things that you can't like
1:38:47
back up with some storm form of documentation. And I don't either unless I
1:38:55
say before it that I'm theorizing or I'm speculating or whatever, like I've done
1:39:00
several times in this discussion with you, have been like, this is a
1:39:01
theory, this is a speculations, no proof for this, you know,
1:39:04
this is just me theorizing about some of the things that I know. And
1:39:10
I feel like that's a lost thing that people don't too because there's so many
1:39:15
people out there that are just talking with no information backing up what they're saying,
1:39:21
no documentation, and they're presenting it as truth, and they're presenting it
1:39:28
and they're talking like that it's real. And that's a really big problem,
1:39:33
I think, and it's an add detriment to whatever you want to call this
1:39:40
type of community. I'm trying to get away from the conspiracy community and away
1:39:45
from the truth or community stuff, because it all that has like such a
1:39:47
bad label within and the people within the community are just their own worst enemies,
1:39:53
you know, they just tear each other down. They're like black pills.
1:39:57
Is such a degree that they don't think anything it ever happens or or
1:40:01
nothing natural like ever happens, and that it's all like pre planned and it's
1:40:04
like all orchestrated. No, I'm like things happen, bro Like, things
1:40:10
just occur sometimes they just do. You know, not everything is fake.
1:40:15
Not everything is a is a you know, some kind of orchestrated plot to
1:40:19
do something. And that's not saying that there aren't orchestrated plots and that there
1:40:25
isn't you know, staged events and things like that, because there very clearly
1:40:30
is, but not everything is like that. And then you have people that
1:40:32
are turning around and attacking other people within the community, and I'm like,
1:40:40
you know, we could be doing this in a completely different way. We
1:40:43
can actually like be working together to like try and figure this stuff out,
1:40:46
you know, attacking each other and and you know, fighting with each other
1:40:50
isn't benefit to anybody, you know, it's really not. But you have
1:40:56
like these such like big egos and like these people that are competing against each
1:41:00
other. If like someone would just be the bigger person and be like,
1:41:02
hey, like let's stop this nonsense and let's like try and work together and
1:41:08
maybe we'll come to some new conclusion that we didn't have when we were just
1:41:11
by ourselves, you know. And that's the state of the community that I
1:41:15
really see is just like a bunch of infighting that doesn't serve any purpose,
1:41:21
that is just fighting and for it pretty much no reason. I got to
1:41:28
go, No I got the better information, No, I just blah blah
1:41:30
blah, you know, and it just creates this off balance, like tipping
1:41:36
scale type of scenario where nothing really ever gets done. That's my small rant.
1:41:44
Sorry, it's okay, I get it in my own way. I
1:41:47
just look, I said, I'll be the process is pretty obscure, and
1:41:51
I have a feeling that I will likely be doing this as long as my
1:41:57
two feet are planted on the earth. There's a long way to go.
1:42:00
So it's pretty much just processing. It's try to refute me. So I
1:42:06
can't personally relate necessarily, but I do see it happening, you know,
1:42:11
and it is unfortunate because you know, the truth is the truth is out
1:42:15
there right as they say, but I mean, the truth really is out
1:42:17
there. And when you get good minds together and people have invested interest in
1:42:23
getting down to the bottom of it, things do get done. You know,
1:42:28
I have very smart people who are my followers, my viewers. I
1:42:32
don't even like calling them my viewers, but you know, people that are
1:42:35
smarter than me, that help me so much. And it does take a
1:42:40
village. And when people just set their egos aside and say hey, let's
1:42:44
work together, it's just working towards the greater goal of getting down to the
1:42:49
truth and getting there faster. But you know, I mean, it's people
1:42:54
are assholes. That's human nature. Like, if I don't know something,
1:42:58
Dana, then I'm not going to act like I do know something. You
1:43:00
know, And if you have some kind of information that I don't know,
1:43:04
then I'm going to ask you about that information. So hopefully you can provide
1:43:09
me with good information on what you know. You know, I'm not going
1:43:14
to say like, oh, yeah, I know about that, and then
1:43:17
I don't really know about it. And that's what I feel like that a
1:43:19
lot of people do because they don't come up with they don't know about it
1:43:23
first, right, So then they go back and then they argue with you
1:43:27
and they fight with you about it, and then they go and do a
1:43:30
little bit more research over your or look into the thing that you were talking
1:43:33
about that they didn't know about before, and then a few months later they
1:43:39
start talking about that information right and acting like they're the ones that I've seen
1:43:44
that happen several times. I've had it happen with me, seeing it happen
1:43:46
with a lot of other people. They bash that person whenever they're when they
1:43:53
know that they're right, then they take their information and then they present that
1:43:57
information as if it was theirs. Well, this is why I tell people,
1:44:03
because people have asked me, are you writing a book? Are you
1:44:05
doing this? Or you doing that? And nope, I have the attention
1:44:09
span of a goldfish. Everything is up here. Just shout your girl out.
1:44:13
Take it. It's open. Don't care. It's up here for posterity.
1:44:17
And you know, I'm raw dogging it on YouTube and hopefully I'll be
1:44:20
able to last. I've been banned a couple times, but you know,
1:44:27
it's people are still going to be people at the end of the day.
1:44:30
But we can only just try to make it better, right, absolutely,
1:44:35
And thank you so much for coming on. Can you let people know where
1:44:41
to find you online? Plug your Twitter, your YouTube? I have your
1:44:44
YouTube link in the description, but just let people know where they can find
1:44:47
you. Sure so Instagram and YouTube is rotting Jewels and Twitter is Dana DooDah.
1:44:58
Like I said, we're doing. I guess some juicy hot new stuff
1:45:02
about the Son of Sam and Nda is new. I will be talking about
1:45:06
that this week. And it's all just process nonsense, man. Process.
1:45:14
They're your best friends and you can find them with me process in the process.
1:45:19
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1:45:25
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