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Chiquis and Chill: Ghosts, Magic and the Paranormal · Spooky Season Podcasts 🎃

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Speaker 1: I grew up with no, ghosts don't exist, that's all
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Speaker 1: in your head. But I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait,
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Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. I know that I'm feeling something, I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing something.
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Speaker 2: Magic is something very simple, is that your will becomes reality.
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Speaker 2: If your will is to do harm, that's what you
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Speaker 2: would call black magic, but technically it's just magic.
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Speaker 1: What's been the craziest thing that you've experienced?
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Speaker 3: Something you know? Paranormala.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, hello, and welcome to Cheeky's and Chill.
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Speaker 1: It's your girl, Cheeky's and Them. Do we have an
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Speaker 1: episode for you today? It's about all things paranormal. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about ghosts, magic and everything in between. So why wait,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it. This is Cheeky's and Chill. My
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Speaker 1: guest today is Jose Antonio Badiya. He's a comedian influencer
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Speaker 1: and the host of two very popular podcasts, Learias and
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Speaker 1: Iscuela Secreta, which is part of my family. I can
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Speaker 1: go on and on about how great these two podcasts are,
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Speaker 1: but let's introduce our guests.
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Speaker 3: Jose Antonio, Welcome to Chiky's and Chill.
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Speaker 5: How are you going with Stas I'm great, so excited
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Speaker 5: to be here. Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 3: Of course, I'm so excited to talk to you. Have
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Speaker 3: so many questions.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so so just FYI, Hi you also Conteston. Okay, perfect, awesome.
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Speaker 1: So first of all, tell me about your podcasts.
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Speaker 2: Of course, well, leond know, the Candarias was a little
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Speaker 2: side project we started about true crime, the paranormal, and
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Speaker 2: uh well just strange history, but with comedy, you know,
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Speaker 2: because we're all comedians. On my part, I wanted to
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Speaker 2: do all of these things, but with good research because
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Speaker 2: in Mexico, you know, like everything about like your own
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Speaker 2: now or scary stuff. They always trying to scare you,
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Speaker 2: like oh it's Tavi and Mal and I wanted to
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Speaker 2: do this, like it seriously as in the where the
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Speaker 2: research comes in, but have fun with it and joke
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Speaker 2: about it and to crime and you know, make fun
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Speaker 2: of the serial killers because I think that's important that
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Speaker 2: we put them down because sometimes they become like heroes.
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Speaker 2: And I speak a lot about magic and like chaos magic.
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Speaker 2: So from there people wanted to know more, right, so
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Speaker 2: I came up with another podcast called School a secreta or.
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Speaker 5: The Secret School. So the Secret Schools there.
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Speaker 2: They are really old schools from you know, thousands of
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Speaker 2: years ago, where they would teach you about the occult
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Speaker 2: and the esoteric science and all of this stuff. And
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Speaker 2: so what I did is from Legenda's I did this
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Speaker 2: little podcast for everybody that was interested in just the
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Speaker 2: magic part and everything. And that's why I went full in,
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Speaker 2: you know, into magic, what it is, what it actually is,
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Speaker 2: and rational satan, some witchcraft and just the left hand Path,
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Speaker 2: all of these things that people because of fear and
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Speaker 2: folklore and everything, they get it wrong, yes, and they're
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Speaker 2: scared of it when all of these things are made
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Speaker 2: to enlighten us and to make us better persons inside, right.
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Speaker 3: I like that word enlighten us. But okay, it's absolutely true.
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Speaker 1: I grew up with you know, no, ghosts don't exist,
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Speaker 1: that's all in your head. But I've experienced certain things
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Speaker 1: where I'm like, wait, I'm not crazy. I know that
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling something, I'm hearing something, and then they want
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Speaker 1: to get scared about it, and I don't feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm scared.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, it's okay.
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Speaker 1: Like sometimes in my old house when we lived the
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Speaker 1: Inland Empire, I would hear things in my room.
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Speaker 3: My door would open.
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Speaker 1: The door was super heavy, there was no wind, so
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Speaker 1: it would just open at night and it would make
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Speaker 1: that little screechy noise like right, And then I would
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Speaker 1: tell my mom like, mom, my door opens in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the night.
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Speaker 3: She's like, no, that Loka, You're crazy. There's no way.
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Speaker 3: I was like, okay.
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Speaker 1: And then one night I was laying in bed, Oh, wake, okay,
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Speaker 1: completely awake. I was on the phone huro, and on
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Speaker 1: my left leg I felt someone like you know how,
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Speaker 1: like when someone gets on the bed, it sinks, the
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Speaker 1: bed sinks.
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Speaker 3: So that happened in my footwet.
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Speaker 1: I felt it like they were crawling on my bed
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I yelled, and I was like, mom,
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Speaker 1: something's going on again. You're crazy. That's all in your mind.
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Speaker 1: It's your conscience. She told me, I'll never forget. It's
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Speaker 1: h exactly, and I was like, mom, No. Then one
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Speaker 1: time I was asleep, this is a true story. I
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Speaker 1: was asleep and in the same room I hear like
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Speaker 1: a little I felt it on my right and I
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Speaker 1: heard it and it woke me up and I was like,
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Speaker 1: what the f told my mom again lo mismo, but
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Speaker 1: literally a week later, a lady from across the street
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Speaker 1: came over. We had moved into the house, like I
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Speaker 1: don't know, like six months before, and she said, how,
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Speaker 1: I just want to introduce myself. I see you guys
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Speaker 1: moved in. Do you guys know the history about the house.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, know what history. She's like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: actually the person that owned this house, that built this
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Speaker 1: house years ago, he actually committed suicide. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: no way. They're like, oh, they didn't disclose that information
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Speaker 1: to you. I'm like, no, because there's supposed to. They're
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Speaker 1: supposed to tell you what happened.
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Speaker 5: No, and they depending on the state.
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Speaker 1: Depending on the Yeah, depending on the state too, so
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Speaker 1: they didn't. And anyways, she told me that it was
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Speaker 1: in my bedroom, that he committed suicide in my bedroom.
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Speaker 3: So I was like, mom, say, I'm not crazy. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: So anyways, that's just my little story. But I believe it.
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Speaker 5: That's a residual thing.
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Speaker 2: And exactly that's why I tell people all the time,
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Speaker 2: like the phenomena is real. I'm adamant about this. It's real,
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Speaker 2: but we just don't understand it. So we've tried to
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Speaker 2: explain it with religion and fear and folklore instead of
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Speaker 2: trying to look at it from a scientific point. So
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Speaker 2: I think we should look at this phenomenon as, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it exists. It's happened to me too, Like I something
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Speaker 2: pulled my leg in bed. Yeah, something pulled my leg.
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Speaker 2: I woke up and my leg was up in the
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Speaker 2: air and I couldn't move. And I know they say
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Speaker 2: like in let see h and science says like it's
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Speaker 2: because your brain woke up but your body didn't.
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Speaker 5: And that's like, well, that's maybe why you can't move.
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Speaker 2: But how can you explain my dog going crazy barking
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Speaker 2: at something that was there? And my dog was like
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Speaker 2: super calm, Corky never did that. She was on my
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Speaker 2: chest and then like jumping around the bed like something
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Speaker 2: was trying to grab her. And then for days after that,
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Speaker 2: she wouldn't go near the closet because I heard it
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Speaker 2: like come down. I couldn't see it. I just felt it.
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Speaker 2: And my dog followed it too, and it went into
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Speaker 2: the closet, and for days my dog would not go
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Speaker 2: near the closet. So, no mind, how can you explain
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Speaker 2: that something happened there? Yes, And that's a big the
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Speaker 2: big conundrum with paranormal stuff. If the proof is really good,
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Speaker 2: people are going to say it's fake. If the proof
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Speaker 2: is not good enough, they're gonna say, why don't you
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Speaker 2: have a good camera. Unless somebody experiences something for themselves,
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Speaker 2: you will not be able to convince them if they
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Speaker 2: don't want to. But us that has had things happen
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Speaker 2: to them, we know without a doubt that the phenomena
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Speaker 2: is real.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And because of that experience, is that why you got
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Speaker 1: into the paranormal or was it something before?
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Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 2: I was born with it, since I was a kid,
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Speaker 2: Like in kindergarten they made us make some drawings and
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Speaker 2: the teacher's like, what's that? And that's a purple monster.
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Speaker 2: My mom has no idea where I got the word
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Speaker 2: monster from why I was drawing monsters? And I think, oh,
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Speaker 2: And I've always had an obsession with the paranormal and
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Speaker 2: the supernatural and all of this. And then as I
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Speaker 2: got older, I started getting into weika and magic. My
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Speaker 2: master's degree was in creative sciences and how to use
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Speaker 2: the occult as a creative process, so I got even
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Speaker 2: deeper into the actual teachings of theThe techs. So I've
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Speaker 2: been doing this for like twenty five years and now
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Speaker 2: is I've started to talk about that and everything I've
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Speaker 2: learned on this podcast, so people will stop fearing it
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Speaker 2: and start looking at it more as how it should
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Speaker 2: be seen. The esoteric arts and the occult arts are
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Speaker 2: trying to explain the world that science is just barely
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Speaker 2: trying to touch.
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Speaker 5: Like quantum physics.
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Speaker 2: This has been described with other words, of course, since
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Speaker 2: thousands of years ago in esoteric texts.
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Speaker 5: They just have other words for it.
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Speaker 2: And now how consciousness effects you know, the quantum molecules
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Speaker 2: and everything, entanglement, all of these things. So science is
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Speaker 2: just catching up, proving it, putting words in it. But
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Speaker 2: we know all of this is true.
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Speaker 3: Ya tell me about magic? How does that work?
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Speaker 5: Magic?
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Speaker 2: It it's like one, it's the same. It's your will
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Speaker 2: becoming reality. And then there's a lot of schools of magic.
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Speaker 2: There's like hermetic magic, which is incredibly hard, and it's
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Speaker 2: a classic TV trope magic with the robes and the
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Speaker 2: silver daggers and these people chanting and everything. So that's
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Speaker 2: one way. Then there's chaos magic, which is what I
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Speaker 2: practice the most, which is basically punk magic or pop magic.
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Speaker 5: Okay, here's the thing. So It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: If it's voodoo or voodoo or hermetic or everything. Every
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Speaker 2: single school of magic is looking for one thing, which
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Speaker 2: is called noses. Okay, So noses is a state of
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Speaker 2: mind where you're not asleep and you're not awake, like
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Speaker 2: if you wake up in the middle of the night,
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Speaker 2: and sometimes you'll even get up, go to the bathroom
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Speaker 2: and drink some water, go to sleep, and then you
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Speaker 2: don't even remember if you did it or not. That's
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Speaker 2: the state of noses. So every school of magic finds
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Speaker 2: a way to get you to that point because that's
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Speaker 2: where then your will can go over your ego, because
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Speaker 2: our ego is a pragmatic, dogmatic, materialistic part. Right, that'll
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Speaker 2: go like it's not going to happen. But if you're
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Speaker 2: in that state, you can just project that onto the
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Speaker 2: universe and then it might happen. It might not, and
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Speaker 2: it does not go against the rules of physics and
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Speaker 2: its probabilities.
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Speaker 5: Let's say you want to win the lottery, but you
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Speaker 5: don't buy a ticket.
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Speaker 2: So what we need to happen is somebody you would
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Speaker 2: have to buy a winning lottery ticket then lose it,
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Speaker 2: and then the air is going to have to push
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Speaker 2: it to where you are. The odds of that happening
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Speaker 2: are astronomy, so you need to work halfway.
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Speaker 5: Towards your goal. Yes, okay, and then everything will match up.
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Speaker 5: That's how it works. I would really recommend like we goat.
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Speaker 2: It's a really good practice because it's really spiritual, or
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Speaker 2: just goes straight to chaos magic, which is basically Robert
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Speaker 2: Anton Wilson. He's the one that figured out like, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you're praying to God or Batman or Vishnu.
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Speaker 2: What matters is that you believe.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Faith is yes.
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Speaker 2: So when you pray to like, I don't know our
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Speaker 2: kangel Michael, what you're praying to is what he represents.
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Speaker 2: So if I don't know, you're scared of public speaking,
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Speaker 2: you can pray to the Joker or Loki because they
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Speaker 2: represent somebody that wouldn't be afraid of public speaking.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: That's how belief works. So in magic and in chaos magic,
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Speaker 2: it's just about belief. Just believe that can happen, and
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Speaker 2: it teaches you a really simple method which is called
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Speaker 2: sigils sigil magic, where you turn a phrase. Let's say
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Speaker 2: I want to have a Corgi. This is actually how
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Speaker 2: I got my Corgi with magic. I found it on
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Speaker 2: the street and I adopted it. Yeah, and so you
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Speaker 2: transform your phrase into a symbol, and then with noses
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Speaker 2: you just put it in your brain and then you
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Speaker 2: forget about it and then.
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Speaker 5: It happens, and sometimes it doesn't.
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Speaker 2: And when it doesn't happen, you think about why it
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Speaker 2: didn't happen, because sometimes what you want is not what
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Speaker 2: you need.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 2: For example, I did a lot of spells because I
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Speaker 2: wanted a tenure and I teached university for seven years
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Speaker 2: and I wanted ten here and I was like, this
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Speaker 2: is what I want. I'll have a steady job, steady
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Speaker 2: income and everything. And I didn't get the job. Had
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Speaker 2: I gotten the job, I wouldn't have a podcast and
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be doing exactly what I love. And that's
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Speaker 2: why it didn't happen.
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Speaker 5: Yes, magical thoughts.
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Speaker 2: Right of fortune is always turning, So when you're down
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Speaker 2: you need to learn. When you're up, you need to
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Speaker 2: be happy, and you know, give that happiness to everybody else.
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Speaker 5: And it's always turning. So this is what magic teaches you.
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Speaker 2: But if they want to start, I would say weka,
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Speaker 2: or just go straight to chaos magic. I mean, you
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Speaker 2: can find the chaos magic books online and start doing
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Speaker 2: siezuals and then for noses in chaos magic is the orgasm.
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Speaker 2: That's the main way humans. We have it in us
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Speaker 2: to have that little blink into noses, into the universe.
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Speaker 2: That's why we feel like, oh, we understand that everything's
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Speaker 2: going to be fine. So in that moment, you can
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Speaker 2: skip the two hours of meditation or of chanting to
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Speaker 2: Hutulu the god, and just go straight to an orgasm
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Speaker 2: with your symbol and you're done.
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Speaker 3: Okay, what's weika again?
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Speaker 2: Weika is the It's basically like a more modern take
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Speaker 2: on witchcraft. So it started in the UK. Weeka is
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Speaker 2: a form of paganism religion or way of life.
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Speaker 5: So it's very weakened. It's very witch graffiti.
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Speaker 2: You know, you go to the forest or the outside,
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Speaker 2: it's Mother Earth, it's the nature's spirits, the fay and
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Speaker 2: you know, just being one with nature.
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Speaker 3: Ooh, I like that.
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Speaker 1: You say we shouldn't be scared, you know, for the listeners,
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Speaker 1: here tell us why, because in my mind I feel like,
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Speaker 1: come existell awenolo. There's black magic and white magic. It
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Speaker 1: just depends on your intention.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually there's just magic. It's a tool, just
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Speaker 2: like there's no good knives and bad knives. A knife
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Speaker 2: is a knife and depends i'm the user.
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Speaker 3: Oh that's a good way to look at it.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
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Speaker 2: You can cook food or commit a crime and it
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Speaker 2: magic is the same thing. Magic is a tool. Magic
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Speaker 2: is it's something very simple. Is that your will becomes reality.
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Speaker 5: That's it.
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Speaker 2: So if your will is to do harm, that's what
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Speaker 2: you would call But technically it's just magic.
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Speaker 3: I see.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So for instance, let's just put this, you know,
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Speaker 1: because I love to light candles and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: So I feel like when I light a candle, I
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Speaker 1: put good intentions. You know, I speak to the universe,
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Speaker 1: I speak to God, and like put all my intention
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Speaker 1: into this candle that the same person or another person
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Speaker 1: can get the same candle and maldiicira.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what magic teaches us. We create the world
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Speaker 2: around us. It starts in here in our brain, and
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Speaker 2: then we manipulate it with words. What we are doing
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Speaker 2: right now, it's magic ideas. I'm putting them into words.
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Speaker 2: I'm moving the airwaves they're getting into a microphone, and
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Speaker 2: I'm putting my ideas into your head. That's magic. That's
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Speaker 2: why every like magic ra and everything. There's words and
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Speaker 2: there's rhymes and there's poetry.
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Speaker 1: Right. You know, as I'm having this conversation, I'm learning
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Speaker 1: so much. I mean, things that I feel like I've
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Speaker 1: known intuitively, but I just don't know how to put
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Speaker 1: it in words like you do.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because I have a.
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Speaker 1: Vision board and I believe so much envision boards, and
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Speaker 1: I feel like it's just I say it like it's
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Speaker 1: like magic. It happens like you just said, it's believing it,
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Speaker 1: having faith and doing something every single day to make
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Speaker 1: that a possibility and not just sit there and be
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Speaker 1: like you know what I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, like everybody would have a ferrarilia.
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Speaker 3: You know these are.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and what you're saying is completely true. It's hardwire
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Speaker 5: into us.
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Speaker 2: Like the First Cave paintings, they were not just to
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Speaker 2: you know, remember the hunt. They were painting a scene
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Speaker 2: that they wanted to happen. So before going out, they
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Speaker 2: would paint the mammot or the prey. They would pay
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Speaker 2: themselves doing a successful hunt, and it was their way
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Speaker 2: of projecting that into the universe. Then they would go out,
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Speaker 2: so they were see jewels. And then when we were kids,
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Speaker 2: when you write the name of the person you like
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Speaker 2: and then your name or their name a bunch of
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Speaker 2: times and hearts you're doing, it's seegil magic.
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Speaker 5: You're trying to invest.
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Speaker 2: Even if nobody has ever told you about this, it's
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Speaker 2: hardwired into it.
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Speaker 3: Crazy, okay.
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Speaker 1: And what do you tell people that don't believe, Like,
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Speaker 1: have you ever gotten someone that? Like?
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Speaker 3: What do you tell people all the time?
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Speaker 2: And I tell them like, I can't convince you, But
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Speaker 2: as an example, I always use my because now I
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Speaker 2: have a second Corgi.
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Speaker 5: My first Corgie passed away like two.
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Speaker 2: Years ago, and then I made a schedule and I
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Speaker 2: got another Corgi adopted. And so I always tell people, like,
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Speaker 2: just explain the odds of me in sula quares where
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Speaker 2: there's like, I don't know, twenty corgis in the whole city,
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Speaker 2: uh huh, of me getting two of them adopted. And
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Speaker 2: even if you don't believe it was with magic, I
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Speaker 2: made magic and I got what I wanted. So what's
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Speaker 2: the difference if you're saying, like, oh, it's just good
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Speaker 2: luck or it's probability, and like that's exactly what magic
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Speaker 2: is probability, and I choose to look at this as
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Speaker 2: a magical aspect of something I did. And what I
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Speaker 2: tell people is, even if you don't believe in it,
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Speaker 2: at least try to have like a magical brain.
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Speaker 5: Magic is everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Wonder at eclipses, or how plants grow, at the little
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Speaker 2: coincidences in life. If you can always look at that
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Speaker 2: with wonder, you will always have an open mind, an
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Speaker 2: open brain. You'll be happier, you'll be more empathetic for
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Speaker 2: other people.
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Speaker 1: Now, do you feel that magic is somewhat similar to
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Speaker 1: religion or I feel like they kind of intertwine in
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Speaker 1: a way.
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Speaker 2: No. Well, religion has magical attributes and rituals like, for example,
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Speaker 2: the it or in church like repeating the Psalms over
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Speaker 2: and over. Those are pagan magical practices used to change
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Speaker 2: the brain. But in religion they use it towards a
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Speaker 2: god or one thing. In magic, you're the one doing
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Speaker 2: the thing. There are no gods that are that gave
17:58
Speaker 2: you something or did not give you anything. It's you
18:01
Speaker 2: and the universe, okay, and whatever you do is on you,
18:05
Speaker 2: and whatever doesn't happen, it just didn't happen. You're responsible
18:08
Speaker 2: for everything. So that's the main difference. Like even in
18:12
Speaker 2: Wika they believe in the goddess. There's energy and everything
18:16
Speaker 2: has a male or female energy, and it's not about
18:19
Speaker 2: the man and women.
18:20
Speaker 5: It's just opposites.
18:21
Speaker 2: Everything's black, white, fire, darkness, and all of these energies
18:26
Speaker 2: are there and you interact with them, but they won't
18:29
Speaker 2: judge you. They will not send you to hell, and
18:32
Speaker 2: you can ask for a favor, but it's so you
18:35
Speaker 2: can help yourself. Like what I was telling you, a
18:37
Speaker 2: joker or the archangel Michael. Yeah, they're just figures. So
18:41
Speaker 2: it's not really a religion in the sense that there's
18:44
Speaker 2: a God and there's all these rules and if you
18:46
Speaker 2: break them, he's gonna punish you, right, I know.
18:48
Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like religion has done, or
18:50
Speaker 1: what my personal experience is instill so much fear that
18:54
Speaker 1: you just it's hard for you to even grow to
18:56
Speaker 1: your full potential because you're so damn scared, you know
18:58
Speaker 1: what I mean. But now that you're talking about I'm like, okay,
19:01
Speaker 1: Like I've seen a lot of people have their suritas,
19:04
Speaker 1: you know, and like what you're talking about archangel Michael
19:06
Speaker 1: and stuff, it'ssent that Saint judas you guys. It represents money, no,
19:12
Speaker 1: like abundance and prosperity. So it's kind of like what
19:15
Speaker 1: you believe in. It's without you even knowing. It's not
19:18
Speaker 1: really the statue that you may have is kind of
19:20
Speaker 1: what I'm taking right now. It's you putting in that
19:22
Speaker 1: intention of MEI vien in mineosio, I'm going to do well,
19:25
Speaker 1: and you're calling that you're actually creating the magic yourself. Anyways,
19:29
Speaker 1: I have another question exorcisms. What do you think about that?
19:37
Speaker 2: Okay, so exorcisms are weird. First of all, there's no
19:41
Speaker 2: really good documented case of an exorcistem that wasn't just
19:48
Speaker 2: a mental health issue that was handled horribly because they
19:52
Speaker 2: a lot of them have ended in death. And you know,
19:55
Speaker 2: like that, we talked about a lot of exorcism cases
19:58
Speaker 2: and they can all be explained with just folklore and
20:02
Speaker 2: religious people going into the exorcism instead of going to a.
20:06
Speaker 5: Doctor or a psychiatrist.
20:08
Speaker 2: So I do think some people sometimes feel like they're
20:13
Speaker 2: not in control. I do not believe like it's demons,
20:16
Speaker 2: because if we talk about demons with exorcisms, then we
20:20
Speaker 2: must assume there's only the Christian God and his demon, right,
20:26
Speaker 2: because you have exorcisms in other cultures, but they're not demons.
20:30
Speaker 2: Sometimes there are evil spirits or their gin, or they're
20:33
Speaker 2: just bad frequencies. The one thing that bugs me is
20:38
Speaker 2: if there was really proof of an exorcism, the church
20:41
Speaker 2: should just make a video of that and then show
20:44
Speaker 2: it to people, and that would get everybody converted and
20:47
Speaker 2: prove that they are the one true religion, right, and
20:49
Speaker 2: any real religion could do this, because that would make
20:52
Speaker 2: people believe, and they've never done this.
20:54
Speaker 5: I know people have.
20:55
Speaker 2: Felt they're possessed or they act differently, but I think
20:58
Speaker 2: it's more mental health health until I see a further
21:02
Speaker 2: proof mm.
21:03
Speaker 1: Hmm, all right, yeah, Because I mean I'm telling you
21:06
Speaker 1: my family's Christian, and I don't consider myself Christian. I
21:09
Speaker 1: respect our religions, you know, so in my sage spiritual,
21:11
Speaker 1: you know. But I do feel like it's it's therapy
21:14
Speaker 1: and meditation and prayer and doing something every single day
21:17
Speaker 1: for your mental health will prevent a lot of things.
21:20
Speaker 1: And I feel like I've proven it myself because I once,
21:23
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like in two thousand and nine,
21:25
Speaker 1: I felt like something evil was I didn't know how
21:28
Speaker 1: else to explain it because I was just barely being
21:30
Speaker 1: like enlightened with my spirituality, and I just said, well,
21:33
Speaker 1: I feel like something evil is lurking in my body,
21:35
Speaker 1: like something's going on. That's when I came Someone told
21:38
Speaker 1: me you should meditate, and I looked into it and everything,
21:40
Speaker 1: and ever since I've done that, I feel like, Oh,
21:42
Speaker 1: it's all starts in the mind. It starts with one
21:44
Speaker 1: thought and it just starts growing and growing. It's a
21:46
Speaker 1: snowball effect and you just have to unwind that. And
21:50
Speaker 1: really you said, like unwind your body and your mind
21:53
Speaker 1: every single day, and for me, it's helped so much.
21:58
Speaker 2: Total menech, Well, I do the same, Like every morning,
22:00
Speaker 2: I grab a glass of water when I wake up,
22:02
Speaker 2: and I go it outside and I just drink my
22:05
Speaker 2: glass of water without cell phones, nothing, just me and
22:07
Speaker 2: my thoughts, yes alone.
22:09
Speaker 5: And that's I think that's enough.
22:10
Speaker 2: If people don't want to spend like fifteen minutes to
22:13
Speaker 2: meditate for fifteen minutes, just try that.
22:15
Speaker 1: Do I like that, because you'll sit the me and
22:17
Speaker 1: I have my water every morning and that's the first
22:19
Speaker 1: hour of my morning, nothing but water. And I feel
22:22
Speaker 1: like I'm just kind of watering my plant, which is me,
22:25
Speaker 1: so I can grow. And sometimes it is harder to meditate.
22:27
Speaker 1: The another day, sometimes I can concentrate. So I'm going
22:29
Speaker 1: to try that to just go outside and.
22:31
Speaker 3: Be with my thoughts.
22:32
Speaker 5: I like that.
22:33
Speaker 3: But have you ever played the Ouiji board?
22:35
Speaker 2: Oh?
22:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, a bunch of times.
22:36
Speaker 1: Oh really, Okay, I've never tried it, so dois neta?
22:40
Speaker 1: I get a little bit scared. I'm like, okay, but
22:43
Speaker 1: explain to me a little bit more because I'm a
22:45
Speaker 1: little intrigued about that.
22:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.
22:47
Speaker 2: So yeah, people are really scared of it, and it's
22:49
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be. It's actually funny because the wiki board
22:52
Speaker 2: as we know it, it's called out the vining board.
22:54
Speaker 2: So there were a lot of them, a lot of
22:56
Speaker 2: models before we got to the well known one with
22:59
Speaker 2: the alpha and the planchette, which is a little thing
23:02
Speaker 2: that moves. So they had ones with the planchet had
23:04
Speaker 2: a little pencil and it will write the words. And
23:08
Speaker 2: like in the eighteenth century, when spiritualism was a thing,
23:10
Speaker 2: families would get together and play the Wigi board. This
23:13
Speaker 2: was not about devils or demons or they was talking
23:17
Speaker 2: to the dead or to something that we don't know
23:19
Speaker 2: what it is and getting answers.
23:20
Speaker 3: Oh, I see.
23:22
Speaker 2: Then the church got a hold of it and they're like, no,
23:24
Speaker 2: this is from the devil and blah blah, and.
23:25
Speaker 5: Everybody started fearing it.
23:27
Speaker 2: My theory, my take on the Wiji board is that
23:30
Speaker 2: I think there's this whole collective consciousness around the world.
23:34
Speaker 2: We're all connected consciously, and you can go to the
23:37
Speaker 2: Shuman resonance, which is this frequency that surrounds the earth
23:42
Speaker 2: that's like seven point six seven point eight herds, which
23:45
Speaker 2: is about the hurts we get in our brains when
23:47
Speaker 2: we're meditating. Okay, yes, so everybody's thoughts ideas our consciousness
23:52
Speaker 2: is connected that way, and not just humans, animals too.
23:55
Speaker 2: So I think the Wigi board is just one way
23:58
Speaker 2: of connecting to the frequency where you can get somebody
24:03
Speaker 2: else's consciousness frequency intelligence, and then by micro movements in
24:09
Speaker 2: our muscles, it'll start moving the plant chet. So you
24:12
Speaker 2: use your body as like an antenna and you're grabbing
24:15
Speaker 2: onto radio waves.
24:17
Speaker 1: Let's call him that, okay, Okay, okay, So it is
24:19
Speaker 1: for sure from someone that has passed obviously you can't.
24:24
Speaker 2: Ya, No, I mean they've done experiments with rats where
24:29
Speaker 2: they'll teach them how to navigate a maze, and then
24:32
Speaker 2: the same species of rats like this was in Australia
24:35
Speaker 2: and the others in the USA, and they'll learn immediately
24:39
Speaker 2: how to navigate the maze. Once part of them know
24:42
Speaker 2: about it, they're connected. So I think humans have the
24:46
Speaker 2: same thing. I can't say for sure if it's dead
24:48
Speaker 2: people or or people that are alive, or just the
24:51
Speaker 2: information of centuries of human consciousness and animal consciousness that
24:57
Speaker 2: you tap into and then re produce on the board.
25:01
Speaker 2: But I am sure there's nothing evil about it. But
25:04
Speaker 2: I do tell people when they ask me, I say
25:07
Speaker 2: two things because they're always like, I want to play,
25:09
Speaker 2: but I'm curious. I'm just like, look, First, the worst
25:12
Speaker 2: thing that could happen is that it won't move. Usually
25:15
Speaker 2: you won't be in the mood and it just nothing
25:17
Speaker 2: will happen. And second thing is do the good bye thing.
25:21
Speaker 2: You know they always tell you, like, dude, say goodbye.
25:24
Speaker 2: And this is not because something bad will happen, but
25:26
Speaker 2: this is because if something whatever happens the next day,
25:30
Speaker 2: you know, your car battery runs out, you'll probably think
25:34
Speaker 2: to yourself, oh, that's because I didn't say goodbye on
25:36
Speaker 2: the Wiji board and then you'll all, yeah, you're gonna
25:39
Speaker 2: sabotage yourself and just for peace of mind to do it,
25:43
Speaker 2: but you don't have to.
25:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into ghost real quick. I know we
25:53
Speaker 1: talked about them a little bit, but'll look at it.
25:57
Speaker 5: Okay.
25:57
Speaker 1: I thought on my bed and was breathing in my ear.
25:59
Speaker 1: Is that a quote unquote ghost or is that a spirit?
26:02
Speaker 1: Or what do we call that exactly? I mean, because
26:05
Speaker 1: I know that I experienced it. I felt it on.
26:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and I believe you and I've I've had
26:10
Speaker 2: a bunch of experiences, and I think we need to
26:12
Speaker 2: look at them as depending on the case. If you
26:16
Speaker 2: call it a ghost, it kind of forces you to
26:19
Speaker 2: believe that there's life after death and then that there's
26:22
Speaker 2: a person stuck between this world and the other.
26:25
Speaker 5: So that's hard to prove. But we do know that there's.
26:29
Speaker 2: A bunch of different types of paranormal activity types. For example,
26:34
Speaker 2: when things move around the house and then glasses fly away,
26:37
Speaker 2: usually that's called a polter geist or a noisy ghost,
26:41
Speaker 2: So poulter geist. What's been discovered till now in parapsychology
26:45
Speaker 2: is it's usually caused by somebody in the house, and
26:49
Speaker 2: it's usually a teenager okay, okay, and it's basically just telekinesis.
26:55
Speaker 2: That's repeat it and they don't know they're doing it.
26:59
Speaker 2: So let's say the hormones. Twelve year old girl with
27:04
Speaker 2: hormones gets mad at her mom. She's like, I hate you, mom,
27:07
Speaker 2: leaves the room, and then the plate goes lying out
27:09
Speaker 2: the Roomdow.
27:10
Speaker 5: That was the girl doing it, not a ghost.
27:13
Speaker 2: And that's why usually in that kind of situation, they'll
27:16
Speaker 2: move to another home and the ghost will follow them.
27:20
Speaker 2: Quote unquote, it's not the ghost following them, it's the
27:23
Speaker 2: kid still has this telekinesis said that she doesn't know
27:27
Speaker 2: or he doesn't know about it, and when they grow up,
27:31
Speaker 2: it'll just end.
27:32
Speaker 5: And that's what happens with s polter guys, they just stop.
27:35
Speaker 2: That makes sense now in your case, for example, that
27:39
Speaker 2: sounds more like what they call our residual kind of
27:42
Speaker 2: energy or residual ghost or apparition, because there's this theory
27:47
Speaker 2: called the stone tape theory.
27:49
Speaker 5: So energy is energy, right, and everything around.
27:52
Speaker 2: Us is absorbing our thoughts and our emotions and everything.
27:57
Speaker 2: So when I don't know the weather and the atmospheric
28:02
Speaker 2: pressure and all things are perfect. This like a hologram
28:06
Speaker 2: of a person will appear and it'll move around the house,
28:09
Speaker 2: it'll sit on the bed. It's not conscious, it's not
28:13
Speaker 2: actually thinking about what it's doing. It's just like a recording.
28:17
Speaker 5: Oh okay, that keeps moving around. Yeah.
28:20
Speaker 2: And then you have the rarest kind, which is like
28:22
Speaker 2: the intelligent kind of apparition, where you can ask it
28:27
Speaker 2: like can you open the door, and it'll open it,
28:29
Speaker 2: or move something, and it'll move it and it'll actually
28:31
Speaker 2: communicate in a way with you. So, depending on the case,
28:35
Speaker 2: you need to look at all of the factors around
28:37
Speaker 2: it to determine what it could be. Of course, first
28:40
Speaker 2: you need to determine that it's not you know, an
28:42
Speaker 2: old pipe or a mouse in the wall, but like
28:46
Speaker 2: something sitting on your bed. That's I mean that obviously
28:49
Speaker 2: something was there and by the looks of it, it's
28:52
Speaker 2: kind of residual. It maybe touched you because it's moving around. Actually,
28:57
Speaker 2: it's really coming that people start having a hunting in
29:00
Speaker 2: their house when they remodel.
29:01
Speaker 3: Because you're moving the energy, you know, not just the energy.
29:05
Speaker 2: Also you're putting now stuff let's say there a ghost
29:08
Speaker 2: walk through part of the house. You've never even noticed it. Yeah,
29:11
Speaker 2: but now there's a glass plate there. Oh okay, so
29:14
Speaker 2: now that energy is gonna hit against that and Gona,
29:17
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear it. And it's not that it's hunting you.
29:20
Speaker 2: It's always been just moving there like a recording. But
29:23
Speaker 2: now it has something to interact with that makes sense.
29:25
Speaker 2: So it's really interesting that the whole case in parapsychology
29:29
Speaker 2: and the paranormal and paranatural I think it's something that
29:32
Speaker 2: science needs to look more into.
29:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it makes a lot of sense. And now
29:36
Speaker 1: that we're on this topic, before we close, what's been
29:39
Speaker 1: the craziest thing that you've experienced?
29:41
Speaker 3: You know something you know paranormal?
29:44
Speaker 2: Well, super quick. I was in the middle in the
29:47
Speaker 2: middle of the forest here in Chihuahua, and we were
29:52
Speaker 2: in a cabin and we were in the attic, me
29:54
Speaker 2: and my friend, and you could see like just beyond
29:57
Speaker 2: the bed and the rest was just dark, and something
30:00
Speaker 2: started walking right in the dark and then started walking
30:03
Speaker 2: toward the bed. We put the sheets on our faces.
30:07
Speaker 2: It walked to my side of the bed and then
30:09
Speaker 2: to my friend's side of the bed. We could hear
30:11
Speaker 2: it perfectly, and then we were laughing. We were so
30:14
Speaker 2: scared that we were laughing. And then the attic door
30:18
Speaker 2: opens and it's my friends dad and he's like, stop
30:21
Speaker 2: walking over there. You're not letting us sleep because they
30:23
Speaker 2: were sleeping on the house and we were like, oh shit,
30:26
Speaker 2: they heard it too. It wasn't just us imagining these steps.
30:30
Speaker 2: That was one, but the truly creepiest one. We went
30:33
Speaker 2: to a house that I had an next girlfriend who
30:36
Speaker 2: was studying psychology, and the teacher rented a house where
30:39
Speaker 2: they would do their practices and everything, and it was
30:42
Speaker 2: super hunted. But like good psychologists, they tried to deny it,
30:46
Speaker 2: deny it until they just couldn't. Like doors would open,
30:49
Speaker 2: the patients were hearing, things would disappear.
30:53
Speaker 5: It was just weird.
30:53
Speaker 2: So one day they finally said, okay, you can come investigate,
30:57
Speaker 2: because I was like, let me go investigate.
31:00
Speaker 5: We were there.
31:00
Speaker 2: Nothing happens most of the time, and goes hunting situations,
31:04
Speaker 2: nothing happens. But this time we were outside. We were
31:07
Speaker 2: always ready to go, and we hear our rockets like
31:10
Speaker 2: something broke inside. We run inside and there was like
31:13
Speaker 2: three doors to the left side of the house, there
31:15
Speaker 2: was this hallway and I had this like well scientific
31:20
Speaker 2: method as much as we can call it, that you
31:22
Speaker 2: would open a door and then we would close it
31:24
Speaker 2: and then check it. This was so because a door,
31:26
Speaker 2: an open door, can move because of air currents or something,
31:29
Speaker 2: but a closed door, if it opens, it's harder to
31:31
Speaker 2: explain it. So we do that on the first door,
31:34
Speaker 2: which was a room with more activity and nothing, take pictures.
31:37
Speaker 2: Nothing close, closed, second door, nothing closed. When we would
31:40
Speaker 2: getting too the third door, the knob on the first
31:43
Speaker 2: door starts moving like. We turn around and four of
31:48
Speaker 2: us saw it like until the door opened, like somebody
31:52
Speaker 2: kicked it and slammed like three times and stopped. We
31:56
Speaker 2: went over there. We took pictures. Yeah, and then wait
31:59
Speaker 2: it gets we took pictures. Those were the only pictures
32:02
Speaker 2: with orbs. I mean, orbs can sometimes be insects, but
32:05
Speaker 2: these were weird. So that happens. We were outside. We
32:08
Speaker 2: were talking about like, okay, everybody, tell me exactly what
32:11
Speaker 2: you saw, and then this was just deduction. I looked
32:15
Speaker 2: down and there was this big tree where we would
32:19
Speaker 2: hang out, and it was dead, and all the trees
32:21
Speaker 2: around the next properties they were alive and then right
32:24
Speaker 2: next to the tree there was this big patch without grass.
32:28
Speaker 2: So I started thinking and just you know, logical reseitting,
32:31
Speaker 2: and I think they buried something here. They hit the
32:36
Speaker 2: roots and that killed the tree and that's it.
32:39
Speaker 5: We went home.
32:40
Speaker 2: I told my girlfriend what happened, and I told her
32:42
Speaker 2: about my theory with the tree.
32:44
Speaker 5: Three days go by.
32:45
Speaker 2: And the teacher calls me, like at ten pm and
32:48
Speaker 2: she's like, get over here. Things are just the worst.
32:51
Speaker 2: I want you to dig. We start digging, and then
32:55
Speaker 2: I don't know, after two feet I start getting pieces
32:59
Speaker 2: of like bad cheese. I remember it even had the
33:02
Speaker 2: JC Penny tag on it, and then pieces of a
33:05
Speaker 2: black plastic bag, but.
33:07
Speaker 5: The thick ones uh huh.
33:09
Speaker 2: And then like three ft in I pulled like this
33:13
Speaker 2: much hair, like a clump of hair, yeah, like fifteen
33:18
Speaker 2: inches long, and like my finger thick of that clump.
33:23
Speaker 2: I pull it there and that's where the teacher went
33:25
Speaker 2: like put that back in.
33:28
Speaker 5: Stop digging.
33:29
Speaker 2: I don't want to know anything else anything, and we
33:33
Speaker 2: left it like that, and that's how still there. I
33:36
Speaker 2: don't know if she ever called the cops. I don't
33:39
Speaker 2: know what happened, but that was that story is still
33:41
Speaker 2: with me this day.
33:43
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
33:49
Speaker 3: Because you're you know, I guess as we know. I
33:51
Speaker 3: don't know.
33:52
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't had an experience in a while,
33:53
Speaker 1: but I was just curious. Yeah, but there is something.
34:03
Speaker 1: A friend of mine wanted me to do it with her.
34:05
Speaker 1: I believe we weren't too loom.
34:07
Speaker 5: Ayahuasca A ayahuasca.
34:08
Speaker 1: Ah huh, yes, pianza to this. I've never tried it.
34:13
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious, to be honest. But what happens
34:16
Speaker 1: when you do that?
34:17
Speaker 3: Do you know about that?
34:18
Speaker 5: Yes, I've done it four times.
34:19
Speaker 3: Oh nice? Okay, perfect, okay, so TV.
34:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, so ayahuasca is really cool.
34:24
Speaker 2: What it has, it's a mixture of plants, but the main,
34:27
Speaker 2: the active ingredient is d MT. So our brain produces
34:31
Speaker 2: d MT naturally. When you dream, your brain makes a
34:35
Speaker 2: tiny bit of d MT. And what they say is
34:38
Speaker 2: that when you you're born and you cry, and the
34:41
Speaker 2: first time you're awake after the womb, that's like the
34:45
Speaker 2: brain shoots you up with EMPT and they believe that's
34:48
Speaker 2: the same that happens when you die. Your brain shoots
34:51
Speaker 2: you up with MT and sends you into an eternal dream.
34:55
Speaker 2: So with a Yaguasca. You get this shot of d MT,
34:59
Speaker 2: which basic makes your brain see the matrix that makes
35:03
Speaker 2: the universe. You see the cells on plants, you see
35:07
Speaker 2: things reading, you understand yourself. You can go inside yourself
35:11
Speaker 2: and actually literally see yourself inside yourself and just become
35:16
Speaker 2: one with the universe because you're you're in this dream state,
35:20
Speaker 2: but you're awake. What I do really recommend if anybody
35:25
Speaker 2: wants to try it, is they do it in a
35:27
Speaker 2: safe space with as few people as possible and with
35:30
Speaker 2: somebody that knows what he's doing so they can guide you.
35:34
Speaker 5: And you will throw up.
35:36
Speaker 3: I know, I heard about that my friends.
35:38
Speaker 1: So she threw up horribly, but then the days after
35:41
Speaker 1: she felt better, she felt lighter.
35:42
Speaker 2: Like in one session a girl just lost her father
35:47
Speaker 2: and in one session she was crying for hours and
35:51
Speaker 2: then laughing and everything which she was done. She just
35:55
Speaker 2: finally she let go. She was mourning for like nine
35:57
Speaker 2: months and with one session she was able to let go.
36:00
Speaker 1: Oh wow, thank you so much for being on the podcast.
36:05
Speaker 1: I learned so much. Again, I apologize for all my questions,
36:08
Speaker 1: but thank you for answering them. You were awesome. And
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