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FAMILY SEARCHES INTO THE NIGHT: DARIUS, 6, STILL MISSING AFTER FAMILY CAMPING TRIP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: We searched into the night, says a desperate family after
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  Speaker 2: little Darius, just six years old, vanishes on an extended
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  Speaker 2: family camping trip. How could a little six year old
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  Speaker 2: boy vanish into thin air while the adults were watching
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  Speaker 2: him play with other children. I'm Mascy Grace, this is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: What was meant to be a peaceful family getaway in
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  Speaker 3: the wilderness of Alberta, Canada, has turned into a devastating mystery.
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  Speaker 3: The McDougall family, eager to create lasting memories, was thrown
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  Speaker 3: into chaos when one of the young children wandered off.
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  Speaker 2: I have taken the children from a very young age.
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  Speaker 2: All across the country are being and camping. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure how you lose a child on a camping trip,
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  Speaker 2: but it's happened a lot.
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  Speaker 1: This is the first.
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  Speaker 2: Time a child has gone missing on a camping trip.
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  Speaker 2: The parents, the grandparents, There was extended family or family
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  Speaker 2: friends there.
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  Speaker 1: They were all packing to leave and go back home.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, when you're packing, packing up the RV
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  Speaker 2: or the station wagon or the SUV, you turn your
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  Speaker 2: back right you're loading it up.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's running crazy.
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  Speaker 2: But how could a little boy vanish into thin air
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  Speaker 2: and be gone so quickly he can't be found?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, six year old Darius on a camping trip with dad, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins,
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  Speaker 4: dad's girlfriend Buffy and her daughter Kaya. The family gathers
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  Speaker 4: to celebrate family birthdays, camping in crows nest, passed with rivers, creeks,
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  Speaker 4: hiking areas and small islands close to shore where the
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  Speaker 4: children love to play.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just start right there because I need to
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  Speaker 2: understand the terrain. Joining me an all star panel, but
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  Speaker 2: I want to go first to Stephen Tipper, joining us
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  Speaker 2: from Post Media.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Could you just let me just start with the terrain
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  Speaker 2: where they were camping.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very uneven train. Lots of different kinds
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  Speaker 5: from you know, uh level ground to a high level
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  Speaker 5: you know, mountainous terrain. You know there's there's bodies of
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  Speaker 5: water there. It's it's you know obviously in the in
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  Speaker 5: the rocky so it's you know, uh, there's quite a
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  Speaker 5: varied you know mixture. I mean, the uh that they were.
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  Speaker 2: A tree Steven Tipper Steven joining US investigative reporter with
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  Speaker 2: Post Media Check it out. Brian Fitzgibbons, Uh Fitzgibbons, Director
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  Speaker 2: Operations USPA Nationwide Secure who leads a team of expert
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  Speaker 2: investigators specializing in finding missing people.
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  Speaker 1: Look at those trees, Brian. I mean.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is a child gets lost in those trees,
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be really hard to find, even with dogs,
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  Speaker 2: even with cadets shoulder to shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see that picture we just showed, Fitzgibbons.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, this is rugged terrain, Nancy. And you can see,
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  Speaker 6: as you know, the thick forests, the dense forests there
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  Speaker 6: makes not only the search complicated, but for the six
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  Speaker 6: year old child who's missing, he's quickly disoriented once he's
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  Speaker 6: separated from his group.
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  Speaker 7: So you know, this.
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  Speaker 6: Terrain is possibly some of the least ideal terrain for
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  Speaker 6: a search like this to take place.
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  Speaker 2: Fitz Gibbons, I worked as a heightmaster and teaching tree identification,
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  Speaker 2: believe it or not, in a national forest.
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  Speaker 1: Had to carry a compass with.
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  Speaker 2: Me just in case you get disoriented, like you were
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  Speaker 2: just saying, in those trees where everywhere you look, everything
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  Speaker 2: looks the same.
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  Speaker 1: That happens. It's a phenomena. Doctor Trey Sargant joining.
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  Speaker 2: US PhD and psychology focus on victimology and in a
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  Speaker 2: previous life starts rescue recovery expert.
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  Speaker 1: It happens. It's a phenomena. You get in those trees
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  Speaker 1: and they.
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  Speaker 2: All seem to look alike, and you get turned around
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  Speaker 2: and you don't know which way where you came from
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  Speaker 2: or where you're trying to go if you don't have
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  Speaker 2: a compass, much less a six year old little boy.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely right, Nancy, Children at this age don't have the
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  Speaker 8: capability and the maturity and the growth of their minds
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  Speaker 8: to understand where they are, how to get back where
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  Speaker 8: they want to be. They become very disoriented, they become
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  Speaker 8: very frightened. Oftentimes they hide because that a survival mechanism.
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  Speaker 8: Oftentimes they cover themselves up, they get underneath lags. Not
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  Speaker 8: only the challenge of the terrain itself, but then you
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  Speaker 8: have this very very small child in itself is going
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  Speaker 8: to be very difficult to see, even in the best
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  Speaker 8: of circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: And to Karen Start joining US forensic psychologists ornow on
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  Speaker 2: TV Radio Trauma expert at karenstart dot com. Karen, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: just for a moment, don't think about the little six
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  Speaker 2: year old. Think about the family when they realize he's gone.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm still I got to get back with Steven
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  Speaker 2: Tipper about this. I still don't get how they're camping,
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  Speaker 2: they see him playing with the other children, they're packing,
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  Speaker 2: they turn around, He's gone. I'm trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: that timeline. But think about them suddenly looking for him, Karen,
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  Speaker 2: and they're upset and emotional, and they're going into the
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  Speaker 2: trees and everybody's disseminating. It's basically all Hgal breaks loose.
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  Speaker 9: Without a doubt, because how can you not he's so upset.
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  Speaker 9: This is a six year old, their child, their grandchild,
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  Speaker 9: their relative and friend, and everybody is searching for this
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  Speaker 9: little boy. They would be in a complete panic, Nancy,
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  Speaker 9: you would be. I would be what can happen? Anything?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, put Karen the star cup please, Karen.
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  Speaker 2: You and I talked after this happened. And this is
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  Speaker 2: just a very small, very small comparison. I've told you
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  Speaker 2: when John David about John David when he was before.
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  Speaker 1: He was three, and we were in that giant.
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  Speaker 2: Super Baby superstore and I was down crouchtywn trying to
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  Speaker 2: find organic sunscreen.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I stood up, I turned around. There was Lucy.
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  Speaker 1: No John David. Remember.
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  Speaker 2: I picked Lucy up like a football and started running
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  Speaker 2: and screaming to lock the doors up front that my.
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  Speaker 1: Son was missing.
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  Speaker 2: Now that you're talking, I've never thought about this before,
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  Speaker 2: But everything else seemed to be a blur, like a
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  Speaker 2: dark gray, reddish blur all around me except for clutching
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  Speaker 2: Lucy and running to those front doors.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know why I was running toward the
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  Speaker 1: front doors.
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  Speaker 2: I guess to try to stop the doors from opening
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  Speaker 2: somebody taking him out. Little did I know he was
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  Speaker 2: playing hide and seek with mommy and was a few
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  Speaker 2: rows away. But it took a minute to find him.
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  Speaker 2: But when you say they get disoriented, that can happen
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  Speaker 2: because you're so focused tunnel vision on where is You're
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  Speaker 2: not thinking about what's happening around you, and.
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  Speaker 9: They're like as you describe Nancy in suspended animation in
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  Speaker 9: a way, because you.
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  Speaker 1: Really don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 9: You're not aware of what you're doing, You're hard to
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  Speaker 9: stop get breathe, and you're just panicking. How can you not,
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  Speaker 9: that's exactly what happened with you and John David.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out though, how he could get away, Karen.
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  Speaker 1: Start and just like that, as a matter of.
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  Speaker 2: Fact, I want you to hear these facts before we
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  Speaker 2: analyze any further tonight. Where is this six year old
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  Speaker 2: little boy? How did he just vanish into thin air?
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: As the family's packing up to head home, Darius Kaya
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  Speaker 4: and a cousin are on a small island directly across
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  Speaker 4: from the camping area, in clear view of the adults.
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  Speaker 4: The children turn their back for a second and Darius
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  Speaker 4: is gone. Father and grandfather immediately begin searching, going different
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  Speaker 4: directions on the small island to cover the entire area,
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  Speaker 4: planning to find Darius before they meet in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Tipper joining us investigative reporter with Post Media.
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  Speaker 1: Steven again, thank you for being with us tonight, Stephen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still trying to nail down exactly what happened, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it didn't happen, just like they're describing it.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when Samantha Runyon went missing, she was with
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  Speaker 2: her grandma, and grandma was at I think the kitchen
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  Speaker 2: seeing looking out into the front yard where Samantha three
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  Speaker 2: was playing with some other children, and a guy comes
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  Speaker 2: up and takes her out of the front yard just
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  Speaker 2: like that. And before Grandma can get out there, he
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  Speaker 2: was gone sixty mph. So it can't happen just like that.
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  Speaker 2: But I need to understand the running case. Explain to
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  Speaker 2: me again, how did this happen?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean they were packing up and getting
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  Speaker 5: ready to leave, as you say, and I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they just turn their backs, that's what the family says,
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  Speaker 5: and he was gone. You know, Darius is autistic. He
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  Speaker 5: doesn't like loud noises or bright lights, and that kind
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  Speaker 5: of did affect the search. You know, the searchers did
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  Speaker 5: avoid those kinds of things that they avoided making loud
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  Speaker 5: noises or broad lights during the search.
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  Speaker 1: Steve, And I don't understand that. I do not understand.
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  Speaker 2: How can you avoid loud noises and lights during a search.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to call out for the boy, maybe on
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  Speaker 2: a a loud speaker, maybe, you know, as it got darker,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that they were using bright lights. How were
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  Speaker 2: they avoiding loud sounds and bright lights and searching for him?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean the best of the rabbits. I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure that they were doing that. There were some sounds
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  Speaker 5: that he found appealing as well. He had a favorite
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  Speaker 5: song that they would use extensively during the search. They
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  Speaker 5: didn't say what that song was, but certainly you know
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  Speaker 5: there were efforts to try and appeal to Darius Steven.
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  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Would that be soothing to him?
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  Speaker 2: Karen start. They were trying to play his favorite maybe
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  Speaker 2: it was a lullaby. They haven't told us what the
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  Speaker 2: song was, trying to find him and lure him out.
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  Speaker 9: I think that that was a brilliant idea, Nancy, because
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  Speaker 9: children who are artistic, they don't necessarily respond to calling
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  Speaker 9: you their name. Sometimes they're afraid, sometimes they're distracted, and
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  Speaker 9: yet they need to be able to reach him. So
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  Speaker 9: playing his favorite song that might be something that he
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  Speaker 9: could respond to. They get easily distracted. That happens all
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  Speaker 9: the time. They're impulsive, so and they get scared. Any
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  Speaker 9: little child will get scared, but if you're artistic, you're
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  Speaker 9: particularly scared frightened.
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  Speaker 1: You're in the forest crime stories with Nancy Grace joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Now high profile Theattle lawyer Anne Bremner, This is her
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  Speaker 2: neck of the woods. She's a veteran trial lawyer, legal analyst,
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  Speaker 2: author of Justice in the Age of Judgment, and Bremner,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to thank you for being with us when
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  Speaker 2: we were just describing and there's Steven Tipper talking about
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  Speaker 2: it from post Media and Karen Stark about playing the music.
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  Speaker 2: All I can think about Anne is is I still
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  Speaker 2: call him Anne. You haven't seen him in a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years, but John David is six' six, now BUT
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  Speaker 2: i still think of him as Little lucy and Baby John,
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  Speaker 2: david AND i can just ALL i can do and
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  Speaker 2: is think about Baby John david out in that forest
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  Speaker 2: And i'm trying to play his favorite lullaby or song
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  Speaker 2: to lure him.
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  Speaker 1: Out and a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of people have been attacking the family and the,
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  Speaker 2: parents AND i really believe that is uncalled. For just
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  Speaker 2: like WHEN i was in the, SUPERSTORE i was down
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  Speaker 2: on a floor level shelf trying to find organic suntan
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  Speaker 2: lotion AND i wasn't staring right At John david for
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  Speaker 2: a good thirty seconds to a. Minute he had all
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  Speaker 2: those little tennis shoes and he ran several miles. Away
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  Speaker 2: it happens that the best parents have to load the.
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  Speaker 2: Car the best, parents you, know go in the kitchen
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  Speaker 2: to turn off the lady. PEACE i, MEAN i Don't
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  Speaker 2: and another, Thing Ane bremner regarding the attacks on the,
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  Speaker 2: family for one of the family members to have been
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  Speaker 2: let's just put it out there to be responsible for his,
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  Speaker 2: disappearance what is there a big conspiracy in all the
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  Speaker 2: other family members are lying about, it not telling what they.
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  Speaker 2: KNOW i find that hard to believe that other family
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  Speaker 2: members are covering up for one family member that was
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  Speaker 2: either negligent or intentionally vindictive or. EVIL i don't believe.
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  Speaker 10: It, Well, nancy is such an honor and a pleasure
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  Speaker 10: to be on with you, Again and that's. BRILLIANT i,
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  Speaker 10: mean you're. RIGHT i, mean how could everybody there conspire
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  Speaker 10: to cover, up you, know a disappearance that was something
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  Speaker 10: was caused by one.
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  Speaker 1: PERSON i, mean that's just something that's.
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  Speaker 10: Going to be so difficult to stop for. Anybody and
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  Speaker 10: so the other thing, isn't like you, said when someone's
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  Speaker 10: going through something that's, dramatic like when you Lost John,
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  Speaker 10: david god forbid for a short period of.
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  Speaker 11: Time why did the pylon you?
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  Speaker 10: KNOW i think they're having to stop their comments on
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  Speaker 10: social media because people are attacking, them you, know just
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  Speaker 10: kicking them when they're. Down they're trying to find their loved.
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  Speaker 10: One and you, KNOW i live in a state that's
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  Speaker 10: got a lot of mountains and a lot of mostly
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  Speaker 10: trees In Washington state for, trees and people get lost adults.
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  Speaker 2: Too, okay And, branner you're a veteran trial, lawyer and
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  Speaker 2: you got to give me more than. That you would
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  Speaker 2: never stand in front of an appellate court where you've
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  Speaker 2: been many, times or a trial judge where you've been
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  Speaker 2: even more.
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  Speaker 1: Times and, say, hey it. HAPPENS i need.
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  Speaker 2: To understand how it happened BECAUSE i all used mark
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  Speaker 2: class as the gold. Standard and his, Daughter, pauli went
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  Speaker 2: missing and police came to his.
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  Speaker 1: Door the parents were separated and, said, hey your daughter's.
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  Speaker 2: Missing he, said, fine take my, fingerprints look at my,
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  Speaker 2: house go to my, office look at my. Car will
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  Speaker 2: do whatever you have to do so YOU la law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement can move on to find my daughter and who took.
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  Speaker 1: Her and they, did and he was.
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  Speaker 2: Cooperative these parents have been completely, cooperative but a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of people online are stuck on the. Parents, now let's
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  Speaker 1: analyze why it's not the.
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  Speaker 10: Family, well, YEAH i mean at the bottom line is it,
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  Speaker 10: said why would they why would they do?
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  Speaker 1: This and what's?
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  Speaker 10: Simonives and where do you? GO i, mean where's the
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  Speaker 10: evidence that somehow they secreted him.
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  Speaker 2: Some Believe now that's important because you AND i both
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  Speaker 2: learned and not to say, why you, know why would
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  Speaker 2: anybody kill their?
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  Speaker 1: Child?
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  Speaker 2: Why there is no good. Why but that's a good
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  Speaker 2: point a go where where are you going to? Go
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  Speaker 2: your whole family's, there your vehicles are.
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  Speaker 1: There where are you going to hide the child and?
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  Speaker 2: Me you would have to believe the entire group was
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  Speaker 2: covering for one of the PURPSE I a.
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  Speaker 1: The mom or. Dad that simply is not. Feasible, okay
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  Speaker 1: listen to.
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  Speaker 4: This searching the island and screaming his, Name darius seems
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  Speaker 4: to have vanished into thin. Air nine to one one
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  Speaker 4: is called and within twenty minutes a command post is
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  Speaker 4: set up and. Organized searches by THE Rcmp search And rescue.
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  Speaker 1: Begin the weather is in our.
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  Speaker 12: Favor a young man does not suffer from any health.
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  Speaker 12: Issues it's there's no reason to believe that there will
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  Speaker 12: not be a positive Upcoming global.
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  Speaker 3: News six year Old darius McDougall known for his infectious
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  Speaker 3: laughter and playful, spirit joined his father and sister's girlfriend
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  Speaker 3: on a camping. Trip they met up with family ready
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  Speaker 3: to create cherished, memories but amids the joy an unthinkable
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  Speaker 3: event was about.
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  Speaker 2: Twentyfold straight out To stephen were joining us investigative reporter post.
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  Speaker 2: Media could you explain to me who all was on
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  Speaker 2: this camping. Trip they were there celebrating multiple. Birthdays who was?
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  Speaker 5: There, yeah So darius's father is a grandfather of. Grandmother
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  Speaker 5: the father's girlfriend and her daughter were there as well
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  Speaker 5: as various and uncles and cousins were all.
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  Speaker 2: There you, know To karen start joining us forensic. Psychologists
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  Speaker 2: many people.
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  Speaker 1: And i'm not agreeing with, them BUT i want to
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  Speaker 1: address it with.
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  Speaker 2: You many people are attacking the family saying they just
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  Speaker 2: got tired of dealing with an autistic. CHILD i find
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  Speaker 2: that vile to say.
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  Speaker 1: The parents didn't care about him.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's, autistic or they had just reached their, limit
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  Speaker 2: so what they killed. Him i'm not buying into that at.
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  Speaker 1: All could you play address?
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  Speaker 2: That?
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  Speaker 9: Well you, know that's what happens in these days is really,
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  Speaker 9: terrible where people start attacking, somebody especially under these circumstances
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  Speaker 9: they're in traumatized by the loss of their, Child AND
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  Speaker 9: i think that it's just so easy to attack someone
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  Speaker 9: without understanding how difficult it is to deal with a
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  Speaker 9: child who's. Autistic you could keep your eye on them
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  Speaker 9: all the time in blink and they'd be. Gone they
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  Speaker 9: are distracted so, easily they can't help, it and they're,
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  Speaker 9: impulsive they run, away they're. Sensitive every noise could bother.
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  Speaker 9: Them so it takes an incredible amount of. Work and
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  Speaker 9: to blame the family for any of this is so, Sad.
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  Speaker 9: Nancy it's sad that that keeps happening, too don't you, Think, well.
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  Speaker 2: You, KNOW i get the feeling of some of the,
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  Speaker 2: blamers you, know To Anne, bremner high profile lawyer joining
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  Speaker 2: us out Of, seattle AND i think that for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of, people it feels better to have somebody to
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  Speaker 2: blame because you're, LIKE i THINK i know what it is,
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  Speaker 2: actually And i'm going to ask our shrinks about. This you, think,
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  Speaker 2: oh the family wasn't watching, him that's how he got,
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  Speaker 2: away that's why he's. Missing because it makes you feel
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  Speaker 2: safer because in your mind you're, like, WELL i would
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: never do, that you, know you can extrapolate this And,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: bremner for, Instance i'm, whenever let's just think About Molly
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: tibbets Or. Karina there's so many when women are out
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: jogging and they get attacked and or. Murdered nay say or, say, oh,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: well why was she jogging? Alone or why was she
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: jogging at? Night or why was she jogging in the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: jogging BRA i, mean you can just feel in the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: blame because it makes you feel, better makes you feel,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: safe because you could, say, WELL i would never do.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: THAT i wonder if people just need somebody to. Blame
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: but that's really not helping the search.
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: Effort, no but you're so right on and like Shaden,
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: freud AND i like looking at something like, this like
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: why do so many people like to watch and learn
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: about true? Crime it's the same. THING i don't want
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: it to happen to. Me it must have been, something
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: must have been a jogging, rot must have been where
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: they went at, night it must have been you, know
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: anything that's to look at and to. Blame and, finally you,
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: know with social media these, days you know everybody's comment
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: in all these cases and they're, like oh, WELL i
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: figure the parents to get you, know all the kind
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: of things we never really saw. Before when you see
• 20:38
  Speaker 10: everything On twitter And facebook and TikTok and everything else
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: is conspiracy theorists and those that want to blame families
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: and blame people involved in a. Tragedy let's these cases
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: get you, know investigated in due, course then we'll know
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: what the real.
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: Situation there's another.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Issue there, though a rimner Because Office gibbons joining, Me
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Brian fitzgibbons FROM Uspa Nationwide, Security, brian the statistics are
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: when a child goes missing or is, killed overwhelmingly it's
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: someone close to the, child the, parents the, auntie the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: next door Neighbor i'm moving out, now the, neighbor some
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: weird teacher that has an fixation on the, child but
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: typically within the. Family so there is that statistic that
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't make it true, here but that statistic is.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Looming the numbers don't lie about, That, nancy that is for,
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: sure and in this case it's.
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: Not you, Know i'll, disagree you know with the previous.
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: Comment you know this is not a. Conspiracy it's not
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: out of the.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Ordinary you, know this group was isolated, camping so no
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: one else effectively was near.
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: Nearby them or knew who this boy.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Was so for the public to show a tremendous amount
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: of concern that it was that you, know had something
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: to do with the, parents it doesn't surprise.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: Me i'm not saying that they. Did it just does
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: not surprise.
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: Me.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: GUYS i just want to give you a tip line
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: really quickly.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: For zero three five six two two eight six six
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: repeat four zero three five six two two eight sixty.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Six so the search is.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: On initially you go from a point last scene and
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: you can expand your radius from.
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: There we relying our search and rescue experts for.
• 22:37
  Speaker 12: That there are two small rivers that are also in.
• 22:41
  Speaker 12: Play there's a large bog that we continue to, search
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: and some fairly, steep rugged forested.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Train from our friends At Global news trade back out to,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: You Stephen.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Tipper what is he describing a large?
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: BOG i mean that was among the the bodies of
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: water that would searched more than once during the eleven
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: days that they were looking. For there's it, was you,
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: know there were extensive resources obviously pulled in and you
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: know that was among them the areas that we.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Searched Doctor Trey sargent joining US PhD in psychology but
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: also previously search rescue recovery.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Expert my understanding of what a.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Bog is is like a freshwater.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Marsh it's, spongy.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Quicksand would be overstating, it but mushy, earth kind of like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: MUD i would, say with some growth in, it such
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: as reeds or. Cattails that's HOW i picture. Bog very
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: difficult to search. In but Also i'm wondering if a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: little boy like this little boy can get in that
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and get into the bog and perish in the bog
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: is kind of like a, soft spongy accumulation of, dirt,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: clay and.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Plant, Right, Yeah so.
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: The bog itself is exactly as you Describe, nancy and
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: looking at the clips of the search, area it's really
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: extremely difficult to find this child in those kind of.
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: Conditions and now you add the, bogs the water and
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: just really extremely extraordinary different for difficult. Circumstances it's really
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: going to take all types of resources to find this,
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: child from, dults the helicopter, searchers, drones, ATVs even horseback.
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: Voters every kind of resource is going to be needed
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: to find this child and this extremely difficult search. Conditions
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: ryan n there working under.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Well the search to rescue volunteers mount to over four
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: hundred people.
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: Listen more than four hundred search and rescue volunteers from
• 25:11
  Speaker 13: fifty teams or to search For. Darius these volunteers contributed
• 25:15
  Speaker 13: to eleven thousand hours of search effort on the. Ground
• 25:18
  Speaker 13: they were joined by sixty members of THE Rcmp Specialized
• 25:21
  Speaker 13: Tactical Support group that were directly involved.
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: In searching For.
• 25:24
  Speaker 13: Darius the search extended up to twelve kilometers from Where
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: darius was last. Seen the distance traveled by ground search
• 25:29
  Speaker 13: assets inside that twenty two square kilometers on field tasks
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: was more than fivesy three hundred. Kilometers the search extended
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: up to twelve kilometers from Where darius was last. Seen
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: the distance traveled by ground search assets inside that twenty
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: two square kilometers on field tasks was more than five,
• 25:45
  Speaker 13: thousand three hundred.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Kilometers Great City.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: News just across the, Creek darius was playing with other
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: children near the, campsite and the adults.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: Were keeping a watchful.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Eye but in a single leaning moment of, distraction Feel darius.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Vanished joining Me.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Now Crime stories investigative reporter on the, Case Dave Matt
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: dave let me understand What i'm just.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Hearing so.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: The little, Boy varius is on the other side of
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a river.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Or a, stream playing on an. Island, What, yeah It's.
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: Nancy the camping area actually is right on the. Water
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: and you're talking about an area that has it does
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: have creeks and streams and. Ponds in this particular, case
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: you've got a creak and it's not a big. Distance
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: it's right, there maybe twenty thirty, Yards, nancy and they
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: can see the children playing on this little. Island, now
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: as a, parent when your children are with other, children
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: we tend to feel a little bit safer in what's taking.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Place whole safety in, numbers.
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: And while they're packing, up they're all keeping an eye
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: on the. Children it's not just one parent's, child it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: multiple parents and family members that are watching after these
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: children that are playing in a Confined that's the shocking
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: part of all of this is that they were right
• 27:04
  Speaker 11: there and the children are the ones that that we
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: turned our back and he was.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Gone friends and family create A facebook Page Bring darius McDougall,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: home where the family posts their first message to the.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Public in the, post they explain arriving at the campsite
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: On friday with the extended family members together and celebrate.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: What they call a few.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Birthdays as the adults packed to go, home the kids
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: are playing on the island adjacent the, camp just across
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the creek where the adults could see. Them Darius kaya
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: and a cousin were walking playing together with other kids close.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: By they turned their backs And darius was.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Gone, okay, granted it doesn't make sense to. Me they
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: turn their back and now he's. Gone Steven, Tipper i'm
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: not saying that's not. Correct i'm just trying to understand
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: SO i can piece together some similars of a, timeline because.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Nobody can Just it's like, that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: When you turn your back and you turn back. Around
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: there had to be some intervening time period.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Something what are you.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: LEARNING i, mean there's been, little but it's been you,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: know given to us by the, family other than the
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: public statement that they made this, week you, know and
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: THE rcmp said that they were they see the call
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: at eleven thirty on That sunday, morning and you know
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: of a missing. Boy there's you, know that's the call
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: came in about after an app about an hour after
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: the family had begun their search For, darius.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: You, know And remner right, there they waited an hour
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to call nine one. ONE i also do not find that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Disturbing And i'll tell you. Why unlike a child that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: goes missing from their own, home when the child is
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: supposed to be asleep and you go in the next
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: morning and they're, gone this is a lot.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Different because they're out. Camping they started.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Looking for him, first and then when they couldn't find,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: him they called nine one. ONE i don't find that, Unusual,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Ambrimner not at?
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: All, YEAH i don't either.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: ANSWER i, mean the fact is is that they're, thinking.
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: Well he's got to be here. SOMEWHERE i, mean you,
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: know he was just here with, everybody and everyone just faun,
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: him and so they. LOOKED i think an hour is not.
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: EXTREME i mean that the fact is they might have
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: looked for him for more than an, hour you.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Know being satisfied they could find, him you. Know BUT
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: i do have anne uh control and thinking you go
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: back to those pictures of the forest where the searchers are.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: GATHERED i don't, understand looking at this picture how.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Where he. Was he was across.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: From them on an, island but they could see. Him
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: AND i have a also a problem with the, time
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: not the hour that they search for.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: HIM i get, that BUT.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I still am not buying into he was there and
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: they turned their back and then he was.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Gone that's like three. Seconds so what really?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Happened were they playing hide and go seek and he
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: was hiding and then he was? GONE i Just i'm
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: not the timeline is concerning to. Me let me look at.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: That how can you say he was? THERE i turned my,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: BACK i turned, around he was. Gone that part's not
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: making sense to. Me but let's hear from the.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Mom as a mother who is very concerned about her.
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: Son i'm pleading with my entire being if anyone Knows
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: i've seen, anything tell the police anything From september twenty
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: first time now when The coses passed.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Area that can.
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: Help please keep Saying darius's photo on social media update
• 30:54
  Speaker 14: so that his beautiful face is out.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: There we've just exhausted all search.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Tactics there's just nothing else for us to search at this.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Time but there's nothing to indicate foul play is.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Involved, okay she's saying.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: That Corporal Gina, slaney she's saying there is nothing to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: indicate foul play.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Is, involved so then where is?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: He? Guys that's for our friends At bridge to The news AND. Cbc,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: brian that seems inconsistent to.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: Me, yeah that is, inconsistent, right because if you knew,
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: that if you could rule out that there was no foul,
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: play we would either have Found darius or we would
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: have found evidence of what may have. Transpired, Right so
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: it's impossible to rule out foul.
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: Play here in my, opinion.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: How a Little, yeah how can you just right off
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the bat rule out foul? Play how did they get to?
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: That?
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: Brian, yeah it seems that's kind of a whitewashing. Statement
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: there's no way to say that definitively. Right SO i
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: would have to, assume Or i'd like to assume that
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: there is an ongoing investigation, here given That darius has
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: not been found and nobody has been, recovered that the
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: police are still interviewing and speaking, with particularly the children
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: that were supposedly on that walk with.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: The crime stores With Nancy.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Grace you, Know i'm just trying to figure out, again
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: regarding this Terrain Crowsness, pass.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Is it heavily?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Camped are there a lot of, campers, hikers, travelers, There, Steven.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Yes for.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: SURE i mean there are several campgrounds in the. AREA
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: i mean it is a popular spot to go camping
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: in The Rockies, theirs and it's but, YEAH i mean
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: there are are you, know lots of people enjoy going
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: to that area during the summer in the, fall and,
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: yeah so it's it's A i mean it's a picture
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: a spot you, know to spend weekend away kind. Of so,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: yeah it's it's pretty.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Popular, Okay Fitz, gibbons think this through with me for
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: just one.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Moment we keep referring to this as a remote, area
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: but the town itself has about fifty seven hundred in.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Population but wait for.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: This according to The, atlas around three hundred thousand people
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: visit are walking Through Crow's nest every.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Year put, Up Fis, gibbs, Please so it's not like
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the family is out there all by. Themselves.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Right you ever heard the Name Israel? Keys is that
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: ringing a? Bell he was one of the most prolific
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: serial killers in THE us, ever and he went under the.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Radar but one.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Place he liked to stalk his victims national, PARKS rv,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: camps people that were camping. Intents he loved, it and
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: he spoke of, it and his words were matched up
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: with actual victims that prior to his speaking had been unsolved.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Houmicides so this is like a stalker of predator's happy hunting.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Ground what do you think about?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: That three hundred thousand strangers a, Year.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: Hey could be and you, know certainly for transient and you,
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: know serial, killers.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Folks with nefarious.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: Intentions the these places that have very limited, control campgrounds
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: and things like that are hunting grounds for. Them so
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: is there a possibility That darius was separated from his
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: group and was. Abducted certainly there's enough people there to
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: make that, possible and it's isolated enough.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: To make the search very.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Difficult so this is really the worst of a lot
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: of potential scenarios.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Here the search For darius includes volunteers and experts. Alike
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: ground personnel were supported by, helicopters, drones, dogs, horses boat mounted,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: sonar swift water rescue and underwater search. Teams it is
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: a massive operation involving multiple. Agencies the search and rescue
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: teams covered thirteen square miles over rough terrain and found no,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: clothing no. Footprints no signs Of darius were. Found two
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: volunteer teams of cadaver dogs also searched the area and
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: detected no trace Of.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Darius, no, no this is really not fitting.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Together now to a doctor trace, sergeant you don't have a, shoe,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: clothing a, toy, nothing and cadaver dogs search and don't find.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Anything what people.
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: Don't realize our end goal with all these resources is
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: to Find. Darius but what is just as important as
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: using all these resources to eliminate areas to, say you know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: what we don't know Where darius, is but we can
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: say definitively he's not, here which actually helps smooth the
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: investigation forward and even answer some of those questions that
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: many people.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Have, yeah what about, it Fitz.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Gibbons not only do they fail to find any trace
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: of him like a, toy he had a, shoe a, sock,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: clothing a, shirt they also don't get a hit from
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: any of the cadaver.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Dogs so there he. Is the either he's there hiding.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Alive well that's or he's been completely removed from the,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: area or those cadaver dogs would have hit on him
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: even in a Bog, yeah.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: You would, Think, Nancy and remember this is a six
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: year old, Boy, okay he's not going to cover that
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: much terrain by. Foot and you had police searching rescue.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: Groups there were upwards of four hundred individuals. Involved by
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: the seventh day of this.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: Search they were in line on a grid, search, okay
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: shoulder to.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: Shoulder you, know you had, helicopters thermal imaging, drones people on,
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: horseback you had swift, teams boat teams searching river beds
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: and where the swift waters. Were so there was a
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: very extensive search that took. Place here they've narrowed down
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: and said some of these areas he's definitely not in
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: no sign of him in.
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: There, Okay so now you're, thinking was there animal?
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Activity there is a high bear population, Here what could happen?
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: There would we find? Something would though you would still
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: hit with That gibbons if that were.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: The, case if a bear or creature had gotten, him
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: we would still have averdog.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Hit you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Know the only thing there is you, know he could
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: be taking miles and miles away outside of that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: Grid that would be the only.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: The only piece by a, creature because the creature.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Is not going to take a boy miles and miles.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: AWAY a person, would but not a. CREATURE a creature
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: was stout to. Eat it's a, victim not miles and
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: miles and miles. Away you would go back to its
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: layer and eat the. Victim at, WORST i believe from
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: What i've learned in past cases that the, creature the imaginary,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: creature would eat the victim before.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It got to its.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: LAYER a human would absolutely take the tile miles and miles.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Away so, correct where are you going with?
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: That, No i'm saying, that you, know it's it's conceivable
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: that a bear could carry its victim quite some.
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  Speaker 7: Distance so.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: There's. That and, also you know what we brought up.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: Before you, know if there was nefarious play here and
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: there was a.
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: Human moving, him you, know and that's quite quite.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Possible, Yeah and if a human moved, him we would
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: get a scent dog.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Hit you remember When Lacy peterson was, Taken, well that was,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: her that was her, body but a god everdog followed
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: her scent all the way from her home On cozena
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  Speaker 2: In modesto all the way to The San Francisco Bay.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Marina, okay so a regular scent dog would have picked
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: up on. Him but then there's another shot to the.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Family in another shot to the family Of. Darius Kyle,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: warrior the six year old playing With darius at the
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: time he went, missing has now passed away At Children's
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: hospital from a medical. Emergency investigators say her death was
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: not criminal and not related to darius. Disappearance kyle was
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: the daughter Of dallas McDougall's, Girlfriend. Buffy they were on
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: the camping trip With dallas And darius and participated in the.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Search And, bremner high Profile seattle defense. Lawyer i've said
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: a million times there is no coincidence in criminal. Law
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: but we're being told the girlfriend who was on the
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: trip with her Boyfriend darius's father When darius goes, missing
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: now her Child, kya also six years, old playing With
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: darius at the time he goes, missing she's.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Dead. What, no you're, right.
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: There are no coincidences in criminal. Law and, man, see
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: you're exactly right in the deal saying that he doesn't strike.
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: TWICE i, mean it's WHEN i saw, THAT i thought
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: IF i were the, Prosecutor i'd be paying a lot
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: more attention to this.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Case the search is still on for six year Old.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Darius where is?
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: He there's no sign that he's. Dead hence we are
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: left to Believe darius is a live sum where if
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: you know or think you know anything about this, child
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: think of your own children at this tender. Age please
• 41:34
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  Speaker 2: six repeat four zero three five six' two two.
• 41:42
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• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Now we remember, An American, Hero Firefighter Isabella, oskarson idaho department,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: land just twenty six killed in, the line of duty leaving,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Behind her Grieving. Parents kelvin And Kathleen American Hero Firefighter
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  Speaker 2: isabella oskarson nancy grace, signing off goodbye friend