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Credlin | 4 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you there, Chris. It was a bit
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Speaker 2: of don't you know who I am? Underscoring that he's
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Speaker 2: a senator. I don't if the tops could care less.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. With just over a week now into
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Speaker 2: the federal budget, already labour sharp in the electric ramping
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Speaker 2: up the class war and also claims of intergenerational fairness.
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Speaker 2: But as Peter Costello reminded us, with labor that's all
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Speaker 2: just smoke and mirrors. We're on the home stretch now
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Speaker 2: in the by election fight for the seat of Farah.
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Speaker 2: I'll be joined tonight but one of the candidates for
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Speaker 2: his final pitch as the Teal continues to obfuscate when
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Speaker 2: it comes to her climber two hundred donations, plas what
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Speaker 2: can we take out of the Nepeans State Victorian by
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Speaker 2: election over the weekend when it comes to one nation,
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Speaker 2: I'll be joined by the polster caused Samarus Fordmore and
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Speaker 2: a weekend of unresting Alice Springs's anger grows. I'll be
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Speaker 2: joined by the man who led the Howard government interval
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Speaker 2: as calls bound again for urgent reform to tackle yet
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Speaker 2: more violence in town caps.
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Speaker 3: It frustrates the hell out of me that there is
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Speaker 3: such such a wall that we are up against in
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Speaker 3: trying to actually do something serious about this.
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Speaker 2: But first today the Treasurer all but confirmed what Labour's
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Speaker 2: been signaling for weeks, namely, the next week's federal budget
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Speaker 2: would end negative gearing for rental properties and also when
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Speaker 2: the fifty percent capital gains tax discount. Today the treasure
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers said that these changes would not be setting
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Speaker 2: some Australians against other Australians.
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Speaker 4: So what we are thinking through as we finalize this
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Speaker 4: budget is not about and never will be, about setting
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Speaker 4: some Australians against other Australians. It's about recognizing some of
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Speaker 4: these legitimate intergenerational concerns, which in my experience these concerns
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Speaker 4: are often shared by older Australians as well.
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Speaker 2: But all that stuff there about intergenerational equity, in other words,
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Speaker 2: supposedly stopping older Australians ripping off younger ones.
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Speaker 4: As these pressures have been building, Obviously, we calibrate our
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Speaker 4: budgets to the conditions that we confront and I think
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Speaker 4: the intergenerational pressures are really serious.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 4: We recognize and respect the really big contribution that older
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Speaker 4: Australians have made and continue to make to our country
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Speaker 4: and to our economy. But a lot of Australians, and
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Speaker 4: particularly younger Australians, are finding it really difficult to get
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Speaker 4: into the housing market. That's not the fault of older Australians.
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Speaker 4: It's the fault of successive coalition governments who didn't take
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Speaker 4: housing seriously enough.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's always been hard to get into housing.
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Speaker 2: And you know what the best form of intergenerational equity
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Speaker 2: would be to stop the debt fueled spending, because every
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Speaker 2: extra dollar that government spends today borrowed money that tomorrow's
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Speaker 2: taxpayers will have to repay, a point that Peter Costello
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Speaker 2: made the last Treasurer to actually pay off the debt
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Speaker 2: rather than add to it.
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Speaker 6: When we spoke recently, I.
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Speaker 1: Hear the current government talk about it in intergenerational equity,
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Speaker 1: which they think means higher taxes. I started talking about
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Speaker 1: intergenerational equity twenty years ago and it was all about
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Speaker 1: restricting your spending.
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Speaker 6: So you didn't need higher taxes.
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Speaker 1: That's what they should have been.
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Speaker 2: Doing the last growing up we had in that job,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. Well, let's see these measures all but announced
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Speaker 2: today for what they really are.
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Speaker 6: They are not economic reform.
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Speaker 2: They're tax grabs to counter's reform changes have to make
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Speaker 2: the economy more efficient, Now these don't. They're just a
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Speaker 2: revenue grab to try and hide some of labour's black debt,
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Speaker 2: big black hole of debt. And while they're added, they're
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Speaker 2: playing the politics of class envy by giving anyone who's
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Speaker 2: tried to get ahead a whack. Because labor hates aspiration,
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Speaker 2: and as is typical, these announcements get made without any
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Speaker 2: real appreciation of the real world consequences, because what gets
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Speaker 2: cooked up in Canberra when it hits the ground can
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Speaker 2: actually make things hard and not.
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Speaker 6: Easier for ordinary Australians.
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Speaker 2: Ending negative gearing for rental property is just just one
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Speaker 2: such example. Now Jim Charmers gets his way, landlords will
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Speaker 2: pay more at the same time as paying more due
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Speaker 2: to rising interest rates, and then to recoup the costs
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Speaker 2: the Charmers costs and the cost of these higher interest rates,
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Speaker 2: well that don't be forced under tenants, so up go
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Speaker 2: the rents. This means higher rents not lower rents. It's
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Speaker 2: a renter's tax, and it belies the reality that the
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Speaker 2: vast majority of people that own a negatively geared property, well,
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Speaker 2: they are not rich. In fact, two out of three
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Speaker 2: confirms Treasury earn under eighty thousand a year.
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Speaker 6: Seventy percent of.
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Speaker 2: Them own just one property, and most those that owned
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Speaker 2: properties are nurses, police officers, tradees and teachers. Now on
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Speaker 2: the capital gains tax change, ending the fifty percent discount,
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Speaker 2: well that's just an out and out wealth tax. Again
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Speaker 2: the politics of envy. Now, what's more, these changes are
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Speaker 2: a clear broken promise. Here's the Prime Minister before last
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Speaker 2: year's election and.
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Speaker 5: My word is my bond.
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Speaker 6: My word is my bond, he says.
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Speaker 2: Now this is again a massive breach of faith on
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Speaker 2: top of all the others. Label will try and claim
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Speaker 2: that the war in Iran has brought these changes on
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Speaker 2: and made them necessary, that they have to change what
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Speaker 2: they told voters at the last election. But remember this,
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Speaker 2: when John Howard changed his mind out of GST, he
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Speaker 2: had the guts and the integrity to take it to
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Speaker 2: an election. Now that's the test for the Prime minister. Otherwise,
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Speaker 2: is absolutely no mandate for any of this so not
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Speaker 2: just a weak man but also a liar. This is
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Speaker 2: what he tries to bring in next week under the circumstances.
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Speaker 2: On the weekend, the Nepean bi election in Victoria was
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Speaker 2: a good result for the state Liberals. After the deputy
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Speaker 2: leader of the Liberals, Sam Growth, quit in a bit
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Speaker 2: of a huff in January. The Liberals ended up on
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Speaker 2: Saturday night with thirty nine percent of the vote, One
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Speaker 2: Nation with twenty five percent, the Teal with twenty one
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Speaker 2: and the Greens on nine percent. Of course, Labor did
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Speaker 2: not run in that seat, although they have held it
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Speaker 2: up until recently.
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Speaker 6: After preferences.
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Speaker 2: On the votes counted so far, the Liberals are ahead
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Speaker 2: by thirteen percent in two party preferred terms. Now that's
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Speaker 2: actually a swing to them, even though the Liberal primary
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Speaker 2: is down some nine percentage points. On Saturday night, there
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Speaker 2: was quiet jubilation in the Liberal camp, but Jess Wilson
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Speaker 2: was right to caution her troops about the hard road ahead.
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Speaker 7: We know that we have lessons to learn from last
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Speaker 7: nine's results. We know we have more to do every
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Speaker 7: day between now and the election to earn the trust
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Speaker 7: of Victorians.
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Speaker 2: Because One Nation's pickup of twenty five percent of the
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Speaker 2: primary vote in the Pan. If replicated in seats across
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Speaker 2: the state seats at which Labor are running well, that
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Speaker 2: would almost certainly mean the Liberals end up back in opposition. Yes,
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Speaker 2: this is the worst state government in Victoria's living memory,
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Speaker 2: with tomorrow's state budget all but certain to confirm record debt,
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Speaker 2: record spending and record taxes, but to win the sixteen
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Speaker 2: seats needed to govern. It's not just enough for the
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Speaker 2: Libs to criticize. They've now got to show how they'd
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Speaker 2: be different. Now they can't credibly criticize new taxes without
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Speaker 2: promising to repeal them. And yes it might mean getting
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Speaker 2: debt down is a bit harder or at least a
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Speaker 2: slower job than earlier planned. But they've got to get
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Speaker 2: rid of Labour's crushing taxes and that must be a priority,
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Speaker 2: not tweaking them, not saying they're terrible, but actually saying
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Speaker 2: that they will repeal them. Tomorrow is the Victorian state budget,
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Speaker 2: as I said, and what we already know is the
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Speaker 2: debt will be on its way to a record high
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Speaker 2: of two hundred billion, with demand propped up by record
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Speaker 2: high immigration into Victoria. Now, to be credible about moving
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Speaker 2: the economy forward. The Libs must scrap the worst of
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Speaker 2: Labour's taxes and stop the flight of businesses and capital
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Speaker 2: out of Victoria, because yes, people do not want Labor
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Speaker 2: to remain in power, but they are not yet ready
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Speaker 2: to elect the Liberals, and with just six months to go,
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Speaker 2: might be throwing the kitchen sink at Labor and the
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Speaker 2: Liberals to another by election, this time the federal seat
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Speaker 2: of Pharaoh, New South Wales. Our cameras were there today
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Speaker 2: to see the Liberal and the Teal candidates coming face
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Speaker 2: to face in the farming center of Greece. Now, Michelle Millthorpe,
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Speaker 2: she's denying she's a teal.
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Speaker 8: A lot of people are telling us that you're a
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Speaker 8: teal and you're funded by Climate two hundred, but you
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Speaker 8: are not a teal.
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Speaker 9: You don't want to be recognized as a teal.
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Speaker 6: What is all this about?
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Speaker 8: Oh look, my positions have been informed by the people
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Speaker 8: that I've spoken to across the elector we've seen recently
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Speaker 8: in the last couple of months. We really need fuel
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Speaker 8: security as well. So these are things that are probably
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Speaker 8: in contrast to the people that would usually be considered
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Speaker 8: TiAl candidates or members. So you know, it just doesn't
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Speaker 8: It doesn't work. You know that label doesn't work for me.
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Speaker 2: She can say whatever she likes, but if you are
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Speaker 2: funded by Climate two hundred, you are a Teal. Last year,
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Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty five federal election, about three quarters
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Speaker 2: of Millthorpe's funding came from Climate two hundred, over two
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand out of a total of about two hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty thousand. This time, Climate two hundred have said
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Speaker 2: they were raise a million dollars to fight her campaign.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: Her campaign was opened by Teal Senator David Pocock. He's
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Speaker 2: been on the ground campaigning for her, and her campaign
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Speaker 2: manager has worked for the Teals, including Illegraspender. And there's
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Speaker 2: more sneakiness too, choosing booth worker t shirts that are
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Speaker 2: almost indistinguishable from those of One Nation. In Griffith today,
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Speaker 2: as usual, pre poll voters were all but swarmed by
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Speaker 2: the Teal booth workers. Many of them were busted in
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Speaker 2: from interstate. One proudly told a friend of mine she'd
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Speaker 2: come up to the area from the Mornington Peninsula and
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Speaker 2: they are absolutely outnumbering all the booth workers for the
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Speaker 2: other candidates. Now, let's see what happens on Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: But if the polls are right, it's a battle royal
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Speaker 2: between one nation and this teal. Many that the preference
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Speaker 2: flows from people like the Liberal candidate raiser at Bukowski.
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Speaker 2: Well she'll end up being the deal maker. Not that
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Speaker 2: she's giving up without a fight. I didn't put my
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Speaker 2: hand up to lose.
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Speaker 7: Unless you can form party of government, you're going to
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Speaker 7: be nothing more than a complaints desking camera.
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott was there helping her today and he had
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Speaker 2: this message for voters.
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Speaker 10: There is a Labor candidate, a Labor Green candidate in
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Speaker 10: this election and it's the so called independent. I would
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Speaker 10: just say to people, do you want to take our
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Speaker 10: country forward or do you want to.
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Speaker 11: Leave it in?
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Speaker 10: The message in the coalition is under new management and
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Speaker 10: it's hungry to win.
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Speaker 6: Jessie loves a campaign, doesn't he Tony Abbot.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Camban now for the headlines Sky The
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Speaker 2: is political reporter cam Ridden Good Evening.
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Speaker 12: Just over a week out from his fifth federal budget,
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Speaker 12: the Treasurer says he'll place a premium on reducing government spending.
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Speaker 4: And this budget will be our most responsible budget yet.
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Speaker 12: To raise revenue. There'll be a major tax reform package
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Speaker 12: set to include changes for negative gearing, capital gains and
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Speaker 12: family trusts.
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Speaker 5: They are completely addicted to taxing.
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Speaker 12: Does that mean that you're looking at more tax cuts
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Speaker 12: above what you've already announced?
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Speaker 4: As the usual budget speculation continues over the course of
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Speaker 4: the next week and a bit. What we've tried to
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Speaker 4: do is to give you a sense today of how
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Speaker 4: seriously we are approaching the savings task.
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Speaker 13: That it could be more tax cuts coming.
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Speaker 4: We've already got tax cuts coming.
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Speaker 12: The Prime Minister has signed a sweeping economic security agreement
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Speaker 12: with his counterpart from Japan.
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Speaker 11: Our friendship has never been closer, and in these uncertain times,
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Speaker 11: friendships matter more than ever.
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Speaker 12: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, just over a week now till Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 2: gets to his feet on Tuesday and delivers his budget.
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Speaker 2: Already it's class warfare with a dose of inter generational
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Speaker 2: justices labor, with changes to negative gearing, found trusts and
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Speaker 2: capital gains tax already on the table.
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Speaker 4: We recognize and respect the really big contribution that older
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Speaker 4: Australians have made and continue to make to our country
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Speaker 4: and to our economy, but a lot of Australians, and
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Speaker 4: particularly younger Australians, are finding it really difficult to get
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Speaker 4: into the housing market.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now my Monday Night Regular Skies political contributor
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Speaker 2: Chris Yelman. Well, Chris has been pitched as a budget
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Speaker 2: about fairness, but there appears to be little effort to
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Speaker 2: remedy the structural problems, things like bracket creep. We know
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Speaker 2: already it's costing everybody right across the board at least
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Speaker 2: two thousand a year. And the fact that it was
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Speaker 2: only last May that Labor ruled out any of these
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Speaker 2: tax changes in the election campaign. And I make the
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Speaker 2: point just before if they are going to move on here,
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Speaker 2: if they are going to break their promises, then surely
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Speaker 2: they've got to do what Howard did in relation to
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Speaker 2: the GST and take it to the voters in another election.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Well, he certainly did said never ever about a GSC,
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Speaker 13: and that he decided that he was going to go
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Speaker 13: ahead with one, and he campaigned on it and he
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Speaker 13: almost lost that because of course it's very difficult to
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Speaker 13: take taxes to an election and win a campaign like that. Look,
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Speaker 13: I just look back at the history of all of this.
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Speaker 13: You go back to twenty nineteen, the policy was to
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Speaker 13: do something on friends benefits tax and to do to
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Speaker 13: do something on housing, and to try and fix all
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Speaker 13: that through the tax system. And then what happened was
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Speaker 13: they lost and so back they came in twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 13: and so they had a better way of going about this,
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Speaker 13: that they had a better system. And then in twenty
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Speaker 13: twenty five they said that they weren't going to do
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Speaker 13: what they're doing now. So one of the problems that
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Speaker 13: the Labor Party has is it's made every argument and
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Speaker 13: none on what it's doing at the moment. And is
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Speaker 13: it any wonder that people don't trust politicians?
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Speaker 2: What about the treasure today touting savings in the budget,
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Speaker 2: have a listen.
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Speaker 4: What you will see in the budget is, in gross terms,
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Speaker 4: there will be more dollars in savings than dollars in
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Speaker 4: revenue upgrades. There will also be more dollars in savings
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Speaker 4: than dollars in tax reform.
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Speaker 2: So so gross savings are meaningless. Like they can go
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Speaker 2: through the budget, they can reprioritize money, they can put
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Speaker 2: it all in a column and say we're saving twenty
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Speaker 2: two billion. But if they go and spend twenty three billion.
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Speaker 2: Those gross savings are gone and they're not even savings, Chris,
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Speaker 2: I mean, are people in Canberra, your colleagues, former Prescalry
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Speaker 2: colleagues in Canberra sucking this up and taking it as gospel?
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Speaker 6: I mean, and they're not that stupid?
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Speaker 13: Well, you just have to look at the budget papers, right,
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Speaker 13: and so you go back to Labour's first budget in
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Speaker 13: October twenty twenty two and compare it to what happened
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Speaker 13: last year, and you see that they raised in that
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Speaker 13: time one hundred and twenty eight billion more in revenue
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Speaker 13: in that financial year, the last one, than they had
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Speaker 13: when they did their first budget, and what had they
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Speaker 13: done in twenty five where they spent one hundred and
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Speaker 13: thirty three billion dollars. So this government taxes more, it
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Speaker 13: spends more, and the size of government gets bigger. Now
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Speaker 13: there is one caveat on that, which is that Mark Butler,
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Speaker 13: the Health Minister, is going to try and do something
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Speaker 13: about the ballooning a National Disability insurance scheme. He absolutely
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Speaker 13: has to. And so if they do manage to do
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Speaker 13: something on that front, then maybe we'll see some change.
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Speaker 5: That's absolutely important.
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Speaker 13: But saying that you're going to do it and actually
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Speaker 13: doing it are two different things.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Royal Commission, Chris. Of course, we
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Speaker 2: have the interim report into the Bondai tragedy handed down
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Speaker 2: last week, and of course that the engine report was
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Speaker 2: predominantly about counter terrorism and there were no public interviews
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Speaker 2: or a public evidence heard in that report. Today, of course,
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Speaker 2: we moved into the public hearings phase the first day
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Speaker 2: of that. The focus today, of course on anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of last week's report, the counter
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Speaker 2: terrorism forteen recommendations. A number of them, of course we
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Speaker 2: know are classified. It's had a bit of a mixed review.
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Speaker 2: And then you saw I think some pretty harrowing evidence today,
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Speaker 2: give me a broad brush take on what you've heard
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Speaker 2: so far.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, look, the evidence is harrowing, right. We heard it
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Speaker 13: again a little earlier on this channel.
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Speaker 5: Is that the.
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Speaker 13: Fact that a child would be in a classroom and
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Speaker 13: that a teacher would do Nazi salutes is something that
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Speaker 13: you and I would find preposterous if someone had told
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Speaker 13: us that a couple of years ago. But what we
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Speaker 13: have seen is with the normalization of anti semitism, I
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Speaker 13: can understand why people might be angry with the government
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Speaker 13: of Benjamin Nettnyahu, you know, and some of the things
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Speaker 13: that he does, but that doesn't shouldn't translate into what
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Speaker 13: people do on the streets of Australia. To companies that
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Speaker 13: are run by Jewish people or people who are just Jewish,
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Speaker 13: they're being attacked on the basis of their religion. I
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Speaker 13: think the real issue that we're going to have with
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Speaker 13: this Royal Commission and the public debate about this is
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Speaker 13: going directly at what the main problem is, and the
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Speaker 13: main problem is political Islam. And if we don't address
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Speaker 13: that issue, then it's not going to be fixed.
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Speaker 5: And I just want to correct something I said earlier.
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Speaker 13: I meant negative giving obviously not fringe benefits tax.
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Speaker 5: Peter Wilold's the first answer we were.
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Speaker 2: Following you don't you worry Chris Husbert Teria. We know
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Speaker 2: that they were prescribed, of course as a hate group
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Speaker 2: about two months ago in a parliamentary submission. They say
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Speaker 2: that it's de Zionism, even Pauline Hansen in one nation
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Speaker 2: who should be banned not Then they've also claimed that
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Speaker 2: they don't seek to change our system of government, but
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Speaker 2: in the same breath they're adifocating for quote the establishment
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Speaker 2: of a caliphate or sharia law exclusive to Muslim countries. Now,
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Speaker 2: why are we even accepting a submission from a band
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Speaker 2: group anyway?
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Speaker 13: Well, that's a very fine question, one that I can't answer.
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Speaker 13: But if you want to see what Hisbertteria is up to,
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Speaker 13: then you should just go and read its manifesto, which
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Speaker 13: goes back to the nineteen fifties. And you're right. It
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Speaker 13: does want a caliphate, and it doesn't just want to
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Speaker 13: caliphate in Muslim's countries. It wants a world wide caliphate.
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Speaker 5: And it doesn't.
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Speaker 13: Agree at all with the way that the Western settlement
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Speaker 13: was worked out and sorts of liberal ideas that have
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Speaker 13: driven all the progress in our societies, and it seeks
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Speaker 13: to overturn it. So that is a clear and present
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Speaker 13: danger to the lifestyle that you and I live. And
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Speaker 13: if they want to do that in some other part
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Speaker 13: of the world, then fine, but I don't see why
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Speaker 13: they should get a ticket of leave to do it here.
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Speaker 6: Hell over there, thank you, Chris.
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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, you heard me just speak before about
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Speaker 2: the state by election in the seat of Nepean. It's
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Speaker 2: down the Mornington Peninsula. It includes, you know, a mixed
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Speaker 2: bag of socioeconomic areas Rosebud and Dromana and then all
19:39
Speaker 2: the way down to leafy Portsi and others.
19:41
Speaker 6: In this seat.
19:41
Speaker 2: Of course, the Liberals look like they're holding on and
19:44
Speaker 2: have won quite comfortably. But there's a twenty five percent
19:48
Speaker 2: vote there in first preferences to one nation.
19:51
Speaker 6: Let's pull this apart.
19:52
Speaker 2: Regisbridge Red Bridge Group director Polster cous Samaris joins me. Now,
19:58
Speaker 2: as I say, it's a a retained seat for the Liberals.
20:02
Speaker 6: The Labor Party did not run. They had the seat just.
20:06
Speaker 2: Before Sam Groth, a first term member who's now retired,
20:10
Speaker 2: before he won it. So a very tactical play by
20:13
Speaker 2: Labor not to run. As I say, it's socio and
20:17
Speaker 2: economically a very broad seat, but twenty five percent of
20:21
Speaker 2: the vote going to one nation, that would be really
20:25
Speaker 2: concerning for the Libs.
20:27
Speaker 14: Cause, yeah, absolutely, seventy five percent of Nepean's population lives
20:32
Speaker 14: within two kilometers of the beach. And then of course
20:35
Speaker 14: you have pockets of what I will define as working
20:39
Speaker 14: class poverty, people who are stressed via their mortgages or
20:45
Speaker 14: their rents, and that they voted forty percent for one
20:48
Speaker 14: nation in those pockets. So it's not a seat that
20:52
Speaker 14: I thought from the very beginning would be a good
20:54
Speaker 14: seat for one Nation to contest, So I was a
20:57
Speaker 14: little bit surprised actually decided to contest the seat seats
21:01
Speaker 14: nearby like Hastings. They're definitely going to be on for
21:05
Speaker 14: one Nation come at lection time.
21:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think that they were going to win
21:10
Speaker 2: the seat, and I don't think they've picked the right
21:12
Speaker 2: candidate to be honest for that.
21:14
Speaker 6: Seat, for the demographics of that seat.
21:16
Speaker 2: However, if they're road testing their infrastructure, if they're putting
21:20
Speaker 2: a toe in the water in Victoria and they're wanting
21:22
Speaker 2: to test, you know, their internal polling against election day reality.
21:28
Speaker 2: We saw what happened in South Australia. I can see
21:31
Speaker 2: why they have run. But what does this tell you
21:34
Speaker 2: then about the play across the state come November. Given
21:40
Speaker 2: the Lips have got to win sixteen seats, that an
21:43
Speaker 2: eight percent swing. Almost no one in recent memory has
21:46
Speaker 2: got an eight percent swing from the Conservative side of politics.
21:49
Speaker 6: So it's a big.
21:50
Speaker 14: Ask, bigger than the Kennet winning ninety two. It's bigger
21:54
Speaker 14: than the brackslide in two thousand and two. In an
21:56
Speaker 14: environment where both major parties are sitting in the twenties,
22:00
Speaker 14: so it's very very hard to see how sixteen seats
22:03
Speaker 14: could be one. You can see a situation where one
22:06
Speaker 14: nation it does provide supply to a coalition government. I
22:11
Speaker 14: wouldn't rule that out because as it stands, and based
22:14
Speaker 14: on their performance on the weekend, they will pick up seats.
22:17
Speaker 14: The other point I'd like to make is that paulind
22:19
Speaker 14: Hansen wasn't there on Saturday night. That tells me that
22:22
Speaker 14: their research is pretty sharp.
22:24
Speaker 6: I was getting some fairly the same thing.
22:27
Speaker 14: Yeah, right, So that's a big sign for me that
22:30
Speaker 14: they actually know what they're doing. They didn't they didn't
22:33
Speaker 14: fly down, they knew the numbers weren't there for them,
22:36
Speaker 14: and they tactically kept away.
22:38
Speaker 6: So it's.
22:40
Speaker 14: It's a sign that they've got really good infrastructure. And
22:43
Speaker 14: the other point, and you will know this as well,
22:46
Speaker 14: Historically they've always struggled with volunteers. They didn't struggle with
22:49
Speaker 14: the volunteers on the weekend, no, and they're.
22:53
Speaker 6: Not struggling up in Farer either.
22:54
Speaker 2: I mean I've seen it on the ground, the coverage,
22:58
Speaker 2: you know, core flutes and and all the other sort
23:01
Speaker 2: of collateral that you see out on the campaign hustings,
23:04
Speaker 2: then at the booths at the pre poles are certainly
23:05
Speaker 2: turning up in force on this by election. I mean,
23:10
Speaker 2: I think it's a real opportunity to win here as
23:14
Speaker 2: it stands now for one nation tight though with the Teal,
23:17
Speaker 2: so you know they'll probably finish one too those two.
23:21
Speaker 6: I think it will be one nation in front. Though
23:23
Speaker 6: then what will.
23:24
Speaker 2: Be really material The preference flows from what's likely to
23:28
Speaker 2: be the third candidate on the night, and that's the
23:31
Speaker 2: Liberal and if they're running it's sort of fifteen or
23:32
Speaker 2: seventy how they play out, given the Liberals really picking
23:36
Speaker 2: up in Aubrey and not necessarily around the rest of
23:39
Speaker 2: the electorate. So given that it's Aubrey, her vote block
23:43
Speaker 2: is coming from, that could be a bit dicey when
23:46
Speaker 2: it comes to the preferences whether the Aubrey types will
23:49
Speaker 2: preference the Teal or whether they'll preference one nation. What
23:54
Speaker 2: will you be looking for on Saturday night?
23:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
23:57
Speaker 14: That is a very good point you make, and that
23:58
Speaker 14: is that the preference fly from the Liberal Party in
24:02
Speaker 14: a seat where one nation is contesting and the Liberals
24:04
Speaker 14: are running third does vary a lot depending on where
24:07
Speaker 14: it's coming from So if it's coming from Aubury, the
24:10
Speaker 14: preference flow won't be like eighty five percent we saw
24:13
Speaker 14: on the weekend. It will be more more to the
24:16
Speaker 14: tune of about i'll say, below sixty and that could matter.
24:22
Speaker 14: You know, we saw that in South Australia in Peter
24:25
Speaker 14: Melanouskers seat half of Liberal voter's preference Labor before one Nation.
24:29
Speaker 14: So again it varies.
24:33
Speaker 6: All right, You've got a new poll out overnight in
24:35
Speaker 6: the Financial Review. Take us through that.
24:36
Speaker 2: Because there's been a bit of an uptick for the
24:38
Speaker 2: Coalition there still low at twenty two percent, they're certainly
24:42
Speaker 2: on the move. One nation in Labor appear to have
24:45
Speaker 2: gone back with the PMBO.
24:46
Speaker 6: This surprises me. Seems to have steadied his fall.
24:51
Speaker 2: Is he getting brownie points on fuel or what's driving that?
24:55
Speaker 14: It's pretty much it. I mean, the country is in
24:57
Speaker 14: a bit of a crisis. I think the world's in
24:59
Speaker 14: a bit of a crisis, and political leaders that are
25:01
Speaker 14: seen to be trying to actually help get some brownie
25:05
Speaker 14: points for it, and I think that we're seeing that
25:08
Speaker 14: in our numbers. The other point I would make is
25:11
Speaker 14: that I think we've seen the ceiling when it comes
25:13
Speaker 14: to one nation versus labor. We are testing pull enhance
25:17
Speaker 14: and satisfaction rating amongst labor voters. Now that is what's
25:20
Speaker 14: left on the labor poll in this sample, and she's deep,
25:23
Speaker 14: she's deep in the negative. She's i think over negative fifty.
25:27
Speaker 14: So there's very little capacity for growth for one nation
25:31
Speaker 14: on the left.
25:32
Speaker 9: Side of politics.
25:33
Speaker 14: But there's still some room on the coalition, and she's
25:37
Speaker 14: still very positive amongst existing coalition voters, which is fairly ominous.
25:42
Speaker 2: I've seen some really good analysis overseas among center right
25:46
Speaker 2: parties cause where if their opponents and opponents on the
25:51
Speaker 2: left demonize the incumbents with talk that they're like Donald Trump,
25:56
Speaker 2: or their policies are Trump like, or they're close to
25:58
Speaker 2: Trump in some way, and we saw this with Dutton
26:01
Speaker 2: and alban easy last May, that really slides away that vote.
26:06
Speaker 2: Even if the incumbent, the Conservative's got nothing to do
26:10
Speaker 2: with Trump, even if their policies are an anathema to
26:13
Speaker 2: Republican type policies. Just the association with Trump is tanking
26:19
Speaker 2: numbers around the world. That's clearly going to be a
26:22
Speaker 2: huge tactic for labor.
26:24
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's also I would say definitely a huge tactic
26:27
Speaker 14: and they will use obviously Pauline Hanson's record in a
26:30
Speaker 14: whole range of other policy areas that might help them
26:33
Speaker 14: with that sort of what I define as the red
26:36
Speaker 14: one nation voter the blue one nation voter. On the
26:38
Speaker 14: other hand, just to your point on Trump, I still
26:41
Speaker 14: think that Hanson has got a bit of a vulnerability there.
26:43
Speaker 14: There is a certain group of liberal voter or former
26:48
Speaker 14: liberal voter that does find Trump well rather problematic, and
26:54
Speaker 14: Hanson's closeness to Trump problematic. So I don't think the
26:58
Speaker 14: coalition of landed and blows on that front yet, but
27:01
Speaker 14: if they get disciplined on it, they might actually really
27:05
Speaker 14: put a ceiling on one agent's.
27:07
Speaker 2: Boat and just quickly last one for me, clearly Labor
27:11
Speaker 2: is going to use this budget is a refresh rebrand
27:14
Speaker 2: to kick off the next sort of six to twelve months.
27:17
Speaker 14: Yeah, they could, but I think initially they were planning
27:20
Speaker 14: for something quite seismic when it came to tax reform,
27:23
Speaker 14: and now where because of the fuel crisis, I think
27:26
Speaker 14: they've had to go back to the drawing board and
27:27
Speaker 14: completely recalibrate the budget. It's going to be very challenging.
27:31
Speaker 14: We're going to have a number of interest rate rises
27:32
Speaker 14: this year. The financial pressure that Australians are feeling is
27:37
Speaker 14: just enormous. And you throw into the mix that the
27:41
Speaker 14: cost of fuel, particularly in those out of suburban regional
27:44
Speaker 14: communities who just have to drive, they don't have an option.
27:48
Speaker 14: So I think they're going to they're going to come
27:50
Speaker 14: under some serious pressure during this year. Again, where that
27:55
Speaker 14: angst goes, we don't know yet.
27:58
Speaker 2: Well over there, thank you, Carles. Tell you what Laby
28:01
Speaker 2: you know?
28:02
Speaker 6: Under pressure?
28:02
Speaker 2: Back against the wall, break glass on the old class wall,
28:05
Speaker 2: and that's where they'll go come Tuesday. All right, Why
28:08
Speaker 2: has it taken the tragic death of that little five
28:10
Speaker 2: year old girl to get back in the national spotlight
28:13
Speaker 2: the whole issue of these town camps. I'm going to
28:16
Speaker 2: speak with mel Braff after the Break and Break. He's
28:19
Speaker 2: a bloke who led the Howard era intervention twenty years ago.
28:23
Speaker 6: What needs to happen now? Welcome back.
28:31
Speaker 2: As we head now to Saturday in the Pharaoh Bar election,
28:34
Speaker 2: we're going to catch up with the candidates again.
28:37
Speaker 6: We'll cross shortly.
28:38
Speaker 2: The Pharaoh will speak with the Nationals candidate, their former
28:40
Speaker 2: Army Colonel Brad robertson the first of the ongoing issues
28:44
Speaker 2: with indigenous town camps brought back tragically into the spotlight
28:48
Speaker 2: with that death last week of five year old a
28:51
Speaker 2: five year old girl of course, in Alice Springs. Now,
28:53
Speaker 2: I've long argued these town camps should be shut down,
28:56
Speaker 2: and I support calls from Justin Todam but Jim Price
28:59
Speaker 2: for in order to every dollar we spend on indigenous
29:02
Speaker 2: policy in this country, because clearly the thirty billion dollars
29:06
Speaker 2: we spend is not reaching the people who need it
29:09
Speaker 2: the most. We've all been shocked by what's transpired in
29:12
Speaker 2: our springs over the past fortnight, but we should not
29:15
Speaker 2: need to be shocked to demand action. Governments should be
29:18
Speaker 2: doing more, and the whole activist industry that lives off
29:22
Speaker 2: Indigenous Australians, well, they've got dirty hands here as much
29:26
Speaker 2: as the politicians do. It was almost twenty years ago
29:30
Speaker 2: that the Howard government said enough was enough when confronted
29:34
Speaker 2: with that shocking report Little Children are Sacred. It acted
29:38
Speaker 2: to try and bring an end to the widespread substance
29:41
Speaker 2: and sexual abuse that's so rife in many of these
29:45
Speaker 2: remote indigenous communities. Abuse and depravity are two decades on,
29:51
Speaker 2: still remains mel Broff was the Mini Minister for Indigenous
29:55
Speaker 2: Affairs at the time, and he was one of the
29:57
Speaker 2: architects of the Northern Territory Intervention. And mel Bruff joins me, Now, well,
30:04
Speaker 2: I wish I could catch up with you under better circumstances.
30:06
Speaker 2: We're back to the whole vexed issue of these bloody
30:09
Speaker 2: town camps again. I mean eighteen of them surround Alice
30:13
Speaker 2: Springs alone. This little girl was living in one filthy
30:17
Speaker 2: mattress on the floor. They're not financed or managed like
30:21
Speaker 2: other communities are in Australia. They're run by Aboriginal councils.
30:25
Speaker 2: Of this one it's Tadajira. They get funding from taxpayers
30:31
Speaker 2: to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. So
30:34
Speaker 2: where on earth is this money going?
30:37
Speaker 9: Well, good evening, Peter, Well, we know where it goes,
30:40
Speaker 9: because that's pretty clear. The issue is what happens to it.
30:44
Speaker 9: And it's like a big funnel. The money gets poured in.
30:47
Speaker 9: Governments make all of their press statements and say how
30:50
Speaker 9: good are we? I mean prime ministers said today. His
30:53
Speaker 9: answer is he knows the answer. He is going to
30:54
Speaker 9: put four billion dollars into remote communities. I can tell
30:57
Speaker 9: you now that is just going to be pouring money
30:59
Speaker 9: straight down the but what comes out of the bottom
31:01
Speaker 9: of the funnel is bugger all to the communities that
31:04
Speaker 9: need it. I tried to remove or tried to replace
31:07
Speaker 9: Tanganjia Council twenty years ago with the Alice Springs Council
31:12
Speaker 9: because I ask you, and I ask all your listeners
31:15
Speaker 9: and viewers, why should eighteen little suburbs in one community
31:20
Speaker 9: other springs be treated differently? Have different local government authorities,
31:25
Speaker 9: different people picking up their bins, had night patrols, all
31:28
Speaker 9: the rest of it. When we're all just one country,
31:31
Speaker 9: Why are we doing that? And then where is the accountability?
31:35
Speaker 9: If this was twenty years ago? My understanding is the
31:37
Speaker 9: same families are in charge of these same organizations. It's
31:41
Speaker 9: time that they were held to account for the atrocities
31:44
Speaker 9: that are occurring.
31:46
Speaker 2: Well seriously, then if they are the same families that
31:50
Speaker 2: I'm told similar things from others in the area, If
31:53
Speaker 2: it is the same families who have presided over this
31:56
Speaker 2: same twenty years of depravity and all the other things
31:58
Speaker 2: that we talk about so routinely. When we lose a
32:01
Speaker 2: little life like this, then you've got to ask is
32:04
Speaker 2: there corruption involved? Who are these individuals? What do they
32:08
Speaker 2: stand again from all the money poured into these communities,
32:10
Speaker 2: Because it's not a lack of money. Now, as you know,
32:13
Speaker 2: it's not a lack of money.
32:16
Speaker 9: No, it's not. It's far from it. Money is often
32:18
Speaker 9: a problem additional money. Look, I was as guilty as anyone.
32:23
Speaker 9: I can recall in what I with twenty five hours
32:27
Speaker 9: is being destroyed up there and thinking well, you know,
32:29
Speaker 9: let's separate some of these language groups, let allow them
32:32
Speaker 9: to live on country. So I was an architect of
32:35
Speaker 9: failure by trying to do what I thought was the
32:38
Speaker 9: right thing. All we're doing is trying to run away
32:40
Speaker 9: from the core problem, which is dealing with the violence
32:43
Speaker 9: and the dysfunction and the alcohol abuse. And if we
32:45
Speaker 9: don't deal with that, it will follow those communities. Peter,
32:49
Speaker 9: can I bring it back to people say yeah, it's
32:50
Speaker 9: too hard, this is too big a problem, and it is.
32:53
Speaker 9: Bring it back to the simplicity where that alleged crime
32:57
Speaker 9: took place. There's a big sign out the front. It
33:00
Speaker 9: says that that it's a dry community. By law, you
33:03
Speaker 9: can be imprisoned for six months for having alcohol there.
33:06
Speaker 9: Yet almost every night there will be parties raging that
33:10
Speaker 9: will go on all night with fights with alcohol and
33:13
Speaker 9: nothing is done about it. And I'll tell you why
33:16
Speaker 9: I bring that up. That's the start of it. When
33:18
Speaker 9: you allow that poison to occur and that dysfunction to
33:21
Speaker 9: occur and we don't and the police don't have the
33:23
Speaker 9: resources to deal with it. I acknowledge that, but that's
33:27
Speaker 9: where it starts. And from there it just continues to
33:30
Speaker 9: degrade until we find we have tragedies. And this tragedy
33:34
Speaker 9: whiles as horrendous as it is, if you think for
33:37
Speaker 9: a moment this is an isolation, you are in dreamland.
33:41
Speaker 5: So during very.
33:45
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, now, you come out
33:48
Speaker 2: of a military background before you went into politics. During COVID,
33:51
Speaker 2: we brought the army in to do what they do best,
33:54
Speaker 2: run logistics, run COVID hotels.
33:56
Speaker 6: Now, I'm not saying that that that's the end.
33:59
Speaker 2: Solution, right, But why don't we shut down these town camps.
34:02
Speaker 2: Why don't we make them have the same law of
34:04
Speaker 2: the land as every other area in our springs. People
34:08
Speaker 2: that you can elect and you can fire. Not these
34:11
Speaker 2: families that just perpetuate their five stems and put the
34:15
Speaker 2: army in there. Put the army if we have to
34:17
Speaker 2: for four or five years to turn this around.
34:20
Speaker 9: This is exactly why I just won't do it. It's not
34:23
Speaker 9: because I'm a racist. And people ask, you know, why
34:27
Speaker 9: is it so hard? It's because he called a racist.
34:30
Speaker 9: It's because it's too hard, it's too confronting, so we
34:33
Speaker 9: don't do anything. But we're parents, grandparents. They have a
34:36
Speaker 9: five year old granddaughter, look in her eyes and think
34:38
Speaker 9: that could have been her, but it couldn't be her,
34:41
Speaker 9: because we want to allow those situations in our backyard.
34:45
Speaker 9: But as Australians, we allow it in our heritage backyard
34:49
Speaker 9: and we hide behind culture. This is not part of
34:52
Speaker 9: the culture. It never has been. There is power, there
34:56
Speaker 9: is corruption, and there is colhusion that goes on as
34:59
Speaker 9: a result of the money that flows. And until we
35:02
Speaker 9: have the guts to deal with those issues head on
35:05
Speaker 9: for a long period of time and take people on
35:08
Speaker 9: a journey, we will repeat this in another twenty years,
35:12
Speaker 9: and in between there'll be so many other stories that
35:14
Speaker 9: are not on the news that are equally as horrific.
35:17
Speaker 9: For those children, they're not Aboriginal children, they're Australian children,
35:21
Speaker 9: and they all deserve the same standards and protections that
35:25
Speaker 9: my grandchildren have, and that's what we should all be
35:27
Speaker 9: demanding of our prime minister.
35:30
Speaker 2: If a government, if a government was to have an
35:33
Speaker 2: about face mail bruff and said to you, you know what,
35:35
Speaker 2: we've got to get serious about this. We're going to
35:37
Speaker 2: pull together an experienced committee of people and asked you
35:41
Speaker 2: to be a part of it, To be part of
35:43
Speaker 2: it a fix here?
35:44
Speaker 6: Would you get involved?
35:46
Speaker 9: Absolutely? Look, it's this has torn my family apart. It's
35:49
Speaker 9: hard to explain, but when you have been in the
35:52
Speaker 9: town camps and many other places that are equally as bad,
35:55
Speaker 9: including my wife, because she would come along and that
36:00
Speaker 9: set up for the three card trick minister twenty two
36:03
Speaker 9: hour tour, and she'd go off on her own and
36:06
Speaker 9: come back and tell me about what was going on. Well,
36:07
Speaker 9: let's left its scars in this family, I can tell you.
36:11
Speaker 9: So there's a lot of there's a lot that we
36:13
Speaker 9: would like to see happen, and we know that there
36:15
Speaker 9: are a lot of good people if with the right leadership,
36:19
Speaker 9: can do something about it. You've got to stand up
36:21
Speaker 9: and be courageous because there's going to be a lot
36:23
Speaker 9: of vested interests who will just want you dead and buried.
36:26
Speaker 9: And you know what, they've seen a lot a lot
36:29
Speaker 9: of people with good intentions in the past, and they'll
36:32
Speaker 9: feel they can see off any other good intentions into
36:34
Speaker 9: the future. And that's where Australians, the average person in
36:39
Speaker 9: the street's got to say to their politician, no, not
36:41
Speaker 9: good enough, no more, because we can't tolerate this. For
36:45
Speaker 9: God's sake. There you know these kids, English is their
36:50
Speaker 9: second and third language. They have no way of getting
36:53
Speaker 9: out of these communities. They don't know any different than
36:57
Speaker 9: to see abuse and neglect, no food, no fridges, filth.
37:02
Speaker 9: And then we say to them, why aren't you meeting
37:05
Speaker 9: the statistics? Why aren't you getting better? Oh, for God's sake,
37:09
Speaker 9: wake up and smell the roses.
37:10
Speaker 5: People.
37:11
Speaker 9: This is a horrendous situation. It's happening right across the
37:14
Speaker 9: territory Western Australia, parts of South Australia, parts of Queensland.
37:19
Speaker 9: It's not one little area. But if we can't fix
37:22
Speaker 9: eighteen communities in the municipality of Alice Springs, what chance
37:27
Speaker 9: have we got.
37:29
Speaker 6: I will leave it there now, but we will talk again.
37:32
Speaker 2: And all credit to you for being as Frank and
37:34
Speaker 2: as honest as you have been tonight.
37:36
Speaker 6: All right, quick break, we're going to swing up to Phara.
37:38
Speaker 6: Now see you in a moment. Welcome back.
37:47
Speaker 2: A lot of speculation about Barnaby Joyce. I've got James
37:49
Speaker 2: Ashould be coming up, but i'll ask you what's going
37:51
Speaker 2: on there. But those pre polls, as I said, they're
37:54
Speaker 2: open and early voting is underweighing the crucial Pharaoh by election.
37:57
Speaker 2: Of course, the big day is Saturday. I'll be here
38:00
Speaker 2: at Sky News on the desk. But I was also
38:02
Speaker 2: up in Farah, as you know, and I met the
38:04
Speaker 2: Nationals candidate then a former Army colonel Brad Robertson, and
38:08
Speaker 2: in his final.
38:09
Speaker 6: Day he's out in the hustings. He's joining me. Now, well,
38:13
Speaker 6: I'll say this upfront, Brad.
38:14
Speaker 2: I think I've been a lot of candidates in my
38:16
Speaker 2: sixteen years in politics. You are absolutely one of the
38:20
Speaker 2: best I've ever come across. You are in the final
38:23
Speaker 2: straight early voting underway.
38:25
Speaker 11: How are you feeling, Oh, Peter, I'm having such a
38:30
Speaker 11: great time out there, just soaking up the atmosphere, meeting
38:33
Speaker 11: people from all over the electorate. I'm just really really
38:36
Speaker 11: enjoying it a.
38:38
Speaker 5: Little bit like a deployment.
38:39
Speaker 11: I'm giving it one hundred percent until the end.
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Speaker 2: When we last caught up, you were about to have
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Speaker 2: your health forum. You and I talked a lot about
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Speaker 2: the hospital and your wife's cancer and how motivated.
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Speaker 6: You were to really make a difference. Where did you land?
38:53
Speaker 2: What are you offering the community if you are elected
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Speaker 2: on Saturday night.
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Speaker 11: Well, after spending some time in Canberra with Matt Kenevan,
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Speaker 11: after being pre selected, we're able to have a conversation
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Speaker 11: around that hospital, and we were able to land as
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Speaker 11: a coalition with a two hundred million dollar program, and
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Speaker 11: part of that is actually to start that green Field
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Speaker 11: Hospital that I've been talking about since the very beginning,
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Speaker 11: which is that tertiary level major trauma center that this
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Speaker 11: area needs and will actually last well beyond twenty thirty
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Speaker 11: years here, which is what we should be doing for
39:31
Speaker 11: our health system.
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Speaker 2: One of the other issues, I mean, we talked about
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Speaker 2: water before. You've obviously now mentioned this hospital. What else
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Speaker 2: is motivating voters in the seat?
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Speaker 11: Oh, yes, that water issue, of course, But there's not
39:45
Speaker 11: only the farming water. There's a lot of water issues
39:47
Speaker 11: that are associated with access to quality water in the
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Speaker 11: townships as well, Mirandra being one of them. But cost
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Speaker 11: of living. Honestly, people are just struggling at the moment.
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Speaker 11: I've knocked on a lot of doors over the period.
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Speaker 11: That's why I'd love knocking on doors, and I love
40:02
Speaker 11: being on poling bers because I get to meet such
40:04
Speaker 11: great people. But I've actually met people where I've knocked
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Speaker 11: on the door and I actually believe they're existing, not living.
40:10
Speaker 11: They're struggling at the moment with everyday costs. Cost of
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Speaker 11: groceries have gone up exponentially, the cost of fuel, the
40:17
Speaker 11: cost of rates. Look, they are really doing it tough
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Speaker 11: out here. You know, we always here field the brunt
40:25
Speaker 11: much earlier than the cities, and our country areas are
40:28
Speaker 11: really feeling the pinch at the moment.
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Speaker 6: Michelle Mill thought we've got to go there.
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Speaker 2: She says she's independent, but you know she's got to
40:37
Speaker 2: get most of her money from Climate to one hundred.
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Speaker 6: Have I listened to this.
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Speaker 8: A lot of people are saying that you're not being
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Speaker 8: transparent enough in terms of your backing with Climate two hundred.
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Speaker 8: What can you tell us? Oh, what I can tell
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Speaker 8: you is that ninety eight percent of my donations come
40:52
Speaker 8: from people across Farron around the country. So that's great,
40:55
Speaker 8: and I've got all these marvelous volunteers out here. There's
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Speaker 8: fifteen coming through today and Griffith Steen great.
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Speaker 6: To us here.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you're not stupid, I'm not stupid. She says ninety
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Speaker 2: eight percent of her donations come from locals. Well that
41:09
Speaker 2: might be in number terms, but in terms of how
41:11
Speaker 2: much money she's getting the percentage of the money, well,
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Speaker 2: we know that she's getting hundreds of thousands of dollars
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Speaker 2: from Climate two hundred. In fact, they were trying to
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Speaker 2: run a campaign to raise her a million dollars for
41:23
Speaker 2: this seat. Are people buying that.
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Speaker 5: They're definitely not. They're all talking about it.
41:30
Speaker 11: So when I meet people as they're coming through the
41:33
Speaker 11: polling boosts, they're actually calling the Independent a teal. Unfortunately,
41:38
Speaker 11: when you associate yourself so heavily with those organizations that
41:42
Speaker 11: have been supporting the tills, when the tills come out
41:44
Speaker 11: and actually support you in your campaign, when you actually
41:48
Speaker 11: have David Pocock coming here and representing and even today
41:51
Speaker 11: what he has done around the gas up in Queensland
41:55
Speaker 11: is a good example of why people cannot trust individuals
41:59
Speaker 11: who associate themselves with the same people that the Teals do.
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Speaker 2: All right, good luck Brad for Saturday night. All the
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Speaker 2: best to your wife Kate as well. Thanks for joining
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Speaker 2: me tonight. Right you can watch our expert coverage here
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Speaker 2: starts at six Saturday night here on Sky News. The
42:15
Speaker 2: right after the break, we'll get into the Nepean by election.
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Speaker 2: I've got some tough questions over James Ashby. We'll get
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Speaker 2: to that in a moment.
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Speaker 6: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: We can have all the polls you like, but what
42:29
Speaker 2: matters is what happens in real world elections. It's all
42:33
Speaker 2: starting to get very interesting on that front. In relation
42:35
Speaker 2: to One Nation. First, of course we had the seats
42:38
Speaker 2: they won in South Australia, then at twenty five percent
42:41
Speaker 2: primary on the weekend in Victoria in the seed of Nepean,
42:43
Speaker 2: and of course the big test on Saturday in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales in the federal seat of Farah. Here to
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Speaker 2: discuss this, Sky News host Jamie Rodgers at One Nation
42:52
Speaker 2: Chief of Staff, James Ashby, Well, Anthony Marsh who's the
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Speaker 2: Liberal beat, the Independent, the Teal, Tracy Hutchinson sixty three
43:00
Speaker 2: thirty seven and two party per third terms the One
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Speaker 2: Nation candidate Darren Hirsker Herkus is expected to finish third.
43:09
Speaker 2: The Libs copped a swing against them on their primary
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Speaker 2: of ten percent, but the party actually increased its margin
43:15
Speaker 2: if you look at that two pp So James I
43:18
Speaker 2: said before to Coostamrus, I did not expect you to
43:21
Speaker 2: even field a candidate here, but you did. I certainly
43:24
Speaker 2: didn't expect you to win. You got a twenty five
43:27
Speaker 2: percent primary. Did you think you get a better result?
43:30
Speaker 2: Where do you stand in relation to what you've seen
43:33
Speaker 2: from Saturday night?
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Speaker 15: Well, Nepem was the litmus test and as you say,
43:38
Speaker 15: it wasn't certainly the strongest seat that one Nations that
43:41
Speaker 15: had run in before.
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Speaker 5: To see an increase that we.
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Speaker 15: Did over the weekend where we pulled twenty five percent.
43:48
Speaker 15: One in four people in that electorate voted One Nation
43:51
Speaker 15: the second highest primary vote. The Liberals took a haircut.
43:55
Speaker 15: They will rely on preferences from the Greens and no
43:58
Speaker 15: doubt One Nation if we do come third after the
44:01
Speaker 15: preferences are distributed. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 15: this again just demonstrates how strong One Nation's vote is
44:07
Speaker 15: down in Victoria.
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Speaker 5: Even in a seat like Nepean.
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Speaker 15: It tells me that we'll get better results in regional
44:13
Speaker 15: parts of the state and things are looking very rosy,
44:16
Speaker 15: so don't underestimate us. So I think that's what the
44:19
Speaker 15: key message out of the weekend will reveal that one
44:22
Speaker 15: nation is certainly going to put forward good candidates that
44:25
Speaker 15: will attract the very solid primary vote and win seats
44:28
Speaker 15: both in the Lower House and Upper House.
44:32
Speaker 6: Davie, you've been a campaign candidate.
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Speaker 2: I like to look at some of the collateral that
44:37
Speaker 2: goes out some of the tactics used.
44:40
Speaker 6: Look at this one. Now, this was an old, old tactic.
44:43
Speaker 2: I last saw this probably twenty twenty five years ago,
44:46
Speaker 2: but it's being picked up by the Independent. The teal
44:48
Speaker 2: Michelle Millthope. She sends out a letter and it looks
44:52
Speaker 2: like it's come from a local. It may well have
44:54
Speaker 2: come from a local, but that's certainly what she's claiming.
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Speaker 2: And you, dear neighbor, I'm writing to you to convince
45:00
Speaker 2: you to support this wonderful woman. She's a true local,
45:03
Speaker 2: she's fabulous, blah blah blah blah. Right now, it's interesting
45:08
Speaker 2: that they're going back to this sort of grassroots stuff
45:10
Speaker 2: to make her appeal to locals. By sort of running
45:13
Speaker 2: the neighbor and a neighbor charm offensive. Do you think
45:17
Speaker 2: it's gonna work?
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Speaker 7: I don't think so based on what I've seen on
45:20
Speaker 7: social media, Peter, I actually saw that letter doing the
45:24
Speaker 7: rounds on Facebook and the commentary was is this fake?
45:27
Speaker 7: Who is an even is doing this? So from what
45:30
Speaker 7: people were all saying about it, they weren't overly impressed.
45:32
Speaker 7: And I must say, Peter The Australian exposed a few
45:36
Speaker 7: days ago this teal donation link that is coming through
45:39
Speaker 7: to Michelle Milthorpe. So while she says that ninety eight
45:42
Speaker 7: percent of her donors are from around Farah and around
45:46
Speaker 7: the country and not Climate two hundred, she's actually being
45:49
Speaker 7: very well backed by a group called Regional Voices Fund.
45:53
Speaker 7: So this group is linked with all of the top
45:55
Speaker 7: TiAl donors and they only donated to calm Climate two
46:00
Speaker 7: hundred backed candidates in twenty twenty five. So everywhere you
46:04
Speaker 7: look when it comes to Michelle, while she wants to
46:06
Speaker 7: say she's not a teal, let's also look at her team.
46:09
Speaker 7: Her campaign manager was also linked to a Legraspender and
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Speaker 7: Monique Ryan. Then she's got even though she's orange, and
46:16
Speaker 7: I know, James, she's trying to look like one nation,
46:18
Speaker 7: but we really need to have she is and we
46:20
Speaker 7: really need these teals though, Peter, it's got to get
46:23
Speaker 7: to a point where they say that they are being
46:25
Speaker 7: backed by Climate two hundred so the people know is
46:28
Speaker 7: it's not hard when there's companies like the Australian that
46:30
Speaker 7: are out there doing the digging and finding that she
46:33
Speaker 7: is very much linked to Climate two hundred and the
46:35
Speaker 7: whole teal movement. Just be open and honest about it.
46:38
Speaker 7: I know Brad Robertson before was just speaking saying that
46:41
Speaker 7: people aren't overly impressed and can see straight through it.
46:44
Speaker 7: So just be open and honest. Stop trying to pretend
46:46
Speaker 7: something that you're not, because it sets you off on
46:48
Speaker 7: a very bad start on a political career. If you're
46:51
Speaker 7: already lying and trying to hide stuff to your constituents.
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Speaker 2: Well just on this point, have a listen to. This
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Speaker 2: is from Shell Milthorp.
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Speaker 8: Part is the Party of the people of Fara and
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Speaker 8: I'm very very pleased to be here tonight.
47:06
Speaker 2: She's not in a party and she's apparently not a tale.
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Speaker 6: James.
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Speaker 15: Well, that says it all, doesn't it. And look, this
47:15
Speaker 15: will be her undoing. It's it's not a problem to
47:18
Speaker 15: take money, just be upfront and honest with people.
47:20
Speaker 5: The dishonesty is what gets.
47:22
Speaker 15: The better of candidates in elections like this, and Michelle
47:26
Speaker 15: Milthorpe is losing votes by the day because of the
47:29
Speaker 15: campaign that she's tried to run that she's she's independent.
47:32
Speaker 5: She's clearly not. Look, we'll see you by the weekend.
47:37
Speaker 15: I don't want to, I don't want to jinx myself,
47:39
Speaker 15: but the reality is I think she's going backwards on
47:41
Speaker 15: a daily basis, particularly in a seat like Farah, but
47:45
Speaker 15: more in particular around Aubrey where her strength was and
47:50
Speaker 15: I use that word was because it's a writing by
47:53
Speaker 15: the day.
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Speaker 6: Well, look we go out.
47:56
Speaker 2: Skyne used to regional Australia and I know in this
47:59
Speaker 2: seat we have a lot of viewers and country people
48:02
Speaker 2: will take someone on trust, but you treat them like
48:05
Speaker 2: a mug and they will punish you hard. I suspect
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Speaker 2: that's what's coming just quickly. Barnaby joys surprise surprise, mate
48:12
Speaker 2: says he might have to contest his seat of you
48:14
Speaker 2: England again. Come on, we all know he was going
48:17
Speaker 2: to run for the seat again. He says his needed
48:20
Speaker 2: to help you sort out some of these inexperienced candidates.
48:24
Speaker 2: James give us the headlines tonight.
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Speaker 6: He is going to run, isn't he.
48:30
Speaker 5: Well, I'll throw a new one into the mix.
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Speaker 15: Pauline Hanson might step down from the Senate too and
48:34
Speaker 15: run for the seat that she lives in.
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Speaker 5: So don't count your chickens.
48:38
Speaker 15: And look, if Barnaby chooses to stay in the Lower House,
48:42
Speaker 15: you'll have two very, very convincing, strong leaders that can
48:46
Speaker 15: lead a conservative Australia.
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Speaker 6: Whoa Jamie. That's big news. That is big news. And
48:55
Speaker 6: watch out.
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Speaker 7: We'll see what happens on Saturday night and Barnaby could
48:59
Speaker 7: have another friend in the Lower House and then hopefully
49:01
Speaker 7: that keeps him staying in there.
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Speaker 2: Goodness me, I'll leave it there. Thank you to you both.
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Speaker 2: Don't forget to watch this obviously on Saturday night. That's
49:11
Speaker 2: it for me. Up next, you got a treat You've
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Speaker 2: got my good mate Steve Price a seed tomorrow at
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Speaker 2: six