Beyond Coping Skills The 5 Ways to Change the Root Cause of Mental Illness w/ Antonio Pascual-Leone

the Informed Simplicity podcast · Apr 3, 2026 · 1h 3m

Dr. Antonio Pascual-Leone is an expert on change. He's spent over a 10 years studying how change happens across different therapy models. Turns out there are only 5 types of changes. Down regulation Emotional awareness Deeping emotion to make new meaning, Changing emotion and Cognitive reframing. Therapists often get stuck when clients need one type of change (i.e. emotional awareness) but a therapist is using a model which specializes in another type of change (ie cognitive reframing). In this interview we discuss the 5 types of change, talk about when to use them, and more importantly when…