Latest / Radically Genuine / 236. Raw Milk and a Deal with God
Transcript
- Speaker 1 Welcome to the radically genuine podcast I am doctor Roger McFillin. The American food system is poison, and I'm not being hyperbolic. I mean, they have built a machine that takes the most nutrient dense and bioavailable foods milk straight from the cow, eggs from the pasture, meat from the animal that actually walks on the grass. And they've propagandized it. 00:00:31:07 - 00:01:06:15 Speaker 1 They've led us to believe that it's unhealthy, and they criminalize the safe production and distribution of this food. They send armed agents to seize it, and then they turn around and they sell you the fake, the powder, the seed oil, the pasteurized, the processed, the engineered in a lab imitation of real food. We are poisoned and we experience the predictable consequences of that poison. 00:01:06:17 - 00:01:48:15 Speaker 1 They steal the real and they sell you the fake. And then they act shocked. That were the absolute sickest nation in human history diabetes, obesity, autoimmune disease, kids with allergies and asthma at rates that did not exist two generations ago. So let's ask the uncomfortable questions today. If food is medicine and it is, then what do you call a system that makes the healing foods illegal and the sickening food cheap, subsidized and everywhere? 00:01:48:17 - 00:02:27:07 Speaker 1 That's not incompetence. It's not an accident. At some point you have to ask whether this is a targeted attack on our health, our sovereignty, the life force within us. This is an anti-life agenda. And who profits when an entire population is just kept sick enough that you need them? Where you're just sick enough, where the life force that is within you. 00:02:27:09 - 00:03:06:21 Speaker 1 Doesn't allow you to stand up against authoritarian ideas, where you become just sedated enough to not care. My guest today has been on the front lines of this battle for food freedom. She stood with the farmers facing down the agencies. She's documented how this war is actually being waged and she's not afraid to name names. We're going to ask the questions that you're not going to get in the mainstream media. 00:03:07:00 - 00:03:40:09 Speaker 1 If you're not exposed to this alternative information, you're going to be propagandized that this is conspiratorial. You're going to have a fear reaction to some of the statements we make today, not because it's true, because you've been conditioned to fear it. You have beliefs and you have thoughts about human health that are inaccurate, that are lies. 00:03:40:11 - 00:04:12:02 Speaker 1 This is going to be bigger than raw milk, much bigger than raw milk. But that's going to act as a catalyst today for all areas of an attack on our health. This is about who controls your body, who controls your health, your rights to eat real food. I want to welcome Traci Thurman to the Radically Genuine podcast. 00:04:12:07 - 00:04:14:01 Speaker 2 It's such a pleasure to be here. 00:04:14:03 - 00:04:19:19 Speaker 1 This is, this is personal for you because of your own health history. 00:04:19:23 - 00:04:36:23 Speaker 2 It is. It is. Raw milk for me has never been something that's theoretical. It's always been something that transformed my life. And therefore, I believe other people would have the right to try this for themselves as well. 00:04:37:00 - 00:04:42:20 Speaker 1 So what happened to you that you had to go down this route to seek out that can heal you? 00:04:43:01 - 00:05:12:20 Speaker 2 Well, when I was 20 years old, I was, I suffered a severe vaccine injury. The Gardasil vaccine prior to the Covid vaccine was the shot with by far the most adverse events in the database, the government's own a database, and that one destroyed my life. So I was 20 years old. My doctor told me simply that there's this vaccine that you should take that will prevent you from getting cancer, not what type of cancer. 00:05:12:21 - 00:05:31:18 Speaker 2 Not only a few strains of a specific pathogen that could potentially cause you to get cancer. Not. There are myriad other ways to avoid getting this potential pathogen. None of that. Just there's a vaccine that that will prevent you from getting cancer, and you should take it. 00:05:31:19 - 00:05:33:03 Speaker 1 Did you ask any questions? 00:05:33:03 - 00:05:42:14 Speaker 2 I didn't know to at that point, as far as I knew, doctors knew everything. And you just trust them. I learned the hard way that that is not the case. 00:05:42:16 - 00:05:58:13 Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we've all been brought up to just surrender that to the doctor. So imagine that type of statement. How does a doctor who is administering that vaccine come to that conclusion? 00:05:58:15 - 00:06:32:24 Speaker 2 It's a great question. I don't even know, looking back on it, whether she realized how inaccurate her statements were, I think there was nothing ill intentioned on her part. She may have. I have no idea what she could have assumed, because I don't want to think ill of her in any way. I think it was so, so unthought through and so offhanded that there is no seriousness given by these many of these professionals when they give out these drugs. 00:06:32:24 - 00:06:46:20 Speaker 2 It's like giving out candy. They don't consider the possibility that there might be negative side effects, that there might be a downside to what they perceive as the upside. And so I don't think she thought this through any more than the probably the 30th patient she gave it to that week. 00:06:46:22 - 00:06:49:12 Speaker 1 Yeah. So what happened to you? 00:06:49:14 - 00:07:13:10 Speaker 2 Well, there was at that point, it was a three dose regimen over six months. And with each dose I got progressively sicker. But I had no idea vaccines could cause any kind of issue. And so it didn't occur to me, even though the time correlation of my injury was so tight after the first one, I started to become quite tired, had a lot of difficulty staying awake in the office. 00:07:13:12 - 00:07:34:01 Speaker 2 After the second one, I started to lose consciousness, while if I would stand up so I would, I would pass out. My heart would start running at over 200 beats a minute. I'd pass out on my keyboard in the office. After the third one, I essentially couldn't stand up, and by this point we already knew there was something wrong. 00:07:34:02 - 00:08:07:13 Speaker 2 They were taking me in and running tilt table tests, which is where your your heart rate is monitored. You're attached to what is essentially a board strapped to it, and you're moved from horizontal to just shy of standing strapped to this board. And then your heart rate and blood pressure are monitored. And in that situation, in between 3 and 12 minutes, depending on the time they did it, my blood pressure would disappear and my heart would stop, and I would then they would have to put me back down to horizontal in order that I lived. 00:08:07:14 - 00:08:10:23 Speaker 1 Did they tie it back to the castle vaccine? No. 00:08:11:00 - 00:08:26:11 Speaker 2 Nothing was tied back to that at all. It was just this is a baffling thing that has happened to you, but that happens to girls sometimes in their teens. This was what I was told, that it was just a thing that happens to some teenage girls. And you won. You know, you lost that lottery. 00:08:26:13 - 00:09:25:11 Speaker 1 Yeah. This is how I question the scientific legitimacy of our current medical institutions, because they tend to attribute benefits post intervention, but then they deny the harm that occurs posts intervention. Right. So like to be truly empirical is to measure all and identify all potential variables. And the manner to which medical professionals will deny that their drug or their intervention caused harm is baffling to me, because it leads me to believe that they are more attached to the idea that they have medicinal interventions without consequence, without negative consequence, and they just cannot fathom the idea of harm. 00:09:25:11 - 00:09:51:02 Speaker 1 It's almost like because you get in these conversations, I've had doctors sitting right there in front of me who look at me like I have two heads, like there's no way the drug can lead to suicide or homicide. There's just no way. And that's part of this brainwashing of the medical system and their their training, their education, which is so influenced by industry. 00:09:51:08 - 00:10:16:09 Speaker 2 Yeah. It took me years to figure out what had happened. It was it was a tough time because, you know, I had been accepted to an Ivy League school. I was about to finally begin my life. You know, I didn't have parents in a position to pay for anything. So I was on my own and I had managed to get into an Ivy was, you know, about to begin a career, and all of that was destroyed. 00:10:16:11 - 00:10:35:10 Speaker 2 They put me on a treadmill to try to see if I could maintain blood pressure and a reasonable heart rate, and within three minutes, they yanked me off it because, as I said, I was well over 200 beats a minute, which is dangerous territory for for a heart attack. And then they even put in a pacemaker. 00:10:35:12 - 00:10:56:04 Speaker 2 I was a week during the procedure, so I'm lying there on the table watching this pacer being implanted into my heart. And then they because they needed to know, you know, would it would it work for me? Would I be able to to sustain. And then they strapped me back to one of these boards, had me stand up on it, and honestly, it was worse than my heart stopping because now my heart was beating, but it was beating empty. 00:10:56:04 - 00:11:27:24 Speaker 2 So I'm starting to have seizure like activity. I can't see, I can't hear, I'm just in raw, raw adrenal terror of my body trying to stay alive. But I can't lie back down. And I'm trying to get out. The words put me down, put me down, I'm vomiting. It was terrible. And then after, you know. And they told me afterwards, you know, my blood pressure was not measurable and my heart was beating because there was an electrode in it forcing beats to occur, but it was essentially beating empty. 00:11:28:01 - 00:11:51:08 Speaker 2 So they lay me back down. The doctor comes in, she's standing over me. It's bright light behind her head. And I just remember, you know, my ears are just. They're ringing. My vision is still kind of black and white. I'm just coming back online. And I just remember her telling me, I'm sorry, you're completely disabled. You're you're going to have to go on to disability because there's there's really nothing more we can do. 00:11:51:10 - 00:11:54:24 Speaker 2 And those are hard words to hear it when you're 20 years old. 00:11:55:01 - 00:11:59:24 Speaker 1 Do you remember how it landed, how it affected you emotionally? 00:12:00:01 - 00:12:24:03 Speaker 2 In that moment? I was still coming off the adrenaline rush of, you know, my body trying to stay alive, upright. And during this tilt table test. And so it took it took a couple of days before it started to sink in at all what I had been told. 00:12:24:05 - 00:12:27:21 Speaker 2 And I believed it. 00:12:27:23 - 00:12:52:15 Speaker 2 I believed they were right because my body had fallen apart. To not be able to stand up and stay conscious, as you know, as a 20 year old, to suffer, serious brain fog, I was they thought I was narcoleptic, I was falling asleep so much. And so they put me in a sleep study. And in this sleep study, they would monitor me all night, an all day for 24 hours. 00:12:52:15 - 00:13:17:00 Speaker 2 And they found that every time I laid, I laid down or had any type of opportunity to sleep. I'd be asleep within about a minute, and I would sleep for up to 18 hours a day. And so I was not an architect, but I was diagnosed as being pathologically hyper somnolent, which is just the fancy words for needing far, far more sleep than a healthy person would. 00:13:17:01 - 00:13:38:05 Speaker 2 And it makes it very difficult to have any form of life, as you can imagine. And so as far as I knew at that point, that was my life going forward. And for more than a decade, while I did improve somewhat, I could get out and I could walk a little bit, I could see friends. You know, I did improve somewhat, but nowhere near enough to be able to work properly. 00:13:38:08 - 00:13:50:16 Speaker 2 I had a mobility scooter that I would have to use if I wanted to go anywhere in, you know, more than, I don't know, a few hundred feet. I would use them ability scooter and. 00:13:50:18 - 00:14:09:01 Speaker 2 That's a tough that's a tough reality when you're in your 20s, when all your friends are in college, you know, going to going to, you know, beach in Mexico on spring break and you are done. As far as the medical system is concerned, you are finished. 00:14:09:05 - 00:14:43:22 Speaker 1 So there's a couple reflection points here that I think are important. The first one is the medical professional herself does not assume responsibility for disabling you with a Gardasil vaccine. Therefore, it does not get reported through the very system which is that reporting system. So folks, when you when you hear data on the harms of vaccines and the their system itself, understand that is significantly underreported because. 00:14:43:23 - 00:14:45:18 Speaker 2 I don't believe my case is and bears at all. 00:14:45:18 - 00:15:28:08 Speaker 1 It won't be because they didn't attribute your condition to the Gardasil vaccine. So we so flippantly throw out data as if it's truth. And I think it's part of the propaganda to say these conditions are rare and this is how medical professionals make decisions. They say, do the potential benefits outweigh the potential risks? Well, when the risks are not understood and they're not communicated to the patient, informed consent is violated and your informed consent was violated when you were provided this Gardasil vaccine. 00:15:28:09 - 00:16:01:07 Speaker 1 The second important point is they are now creating in consciousness an idea of who you are now and who you will be in the future. So they create the idea you are disabled. Again, there is no actual understanding of how consciousness can impact the body, the role of prognosis in the development of disease. So they don't say, you know, people can overcome this. 00:16:01:07 - 00:16:43:20 Speaker 1 I believe in your God given ability to heal. I believe in God. We don't know it now. Don't give up. We're going to find a way to restore your health. No, they tell you you're disabled for life. They they they create the condition. And as as you sit here today, healthy and being able to have this conversation, it's just a reflection back to the audience about the harms of our current paradigm and how we often discuss our medical system as if it is the pinnacle, a high level of ethics and scientific validity. 00:16:43:20 - 00:17:17:15 Speaker 1 And we don't discuss openly and honestly how unscientific it is because we cherry pick from the material. So this is a tragedy, and others have been down this exact road where they're not told they were harmed by the medical system, whether it's a drug, whether it's a vaccine, and they assume something about themselves. I'm curious to know how you thought about your own body and your own health at that time in your life. 00:17:17:17 - 00:17:46:08 Speaker 2 I believed them when they told me that this was an untreatable condition that I was going to have for the rest of my life. Nothing in my body told me otherwise. You know, my body was seemed to be quite broken and so I accepted it. I accepted what they told me. It didn't occur to me that maybe they were wrong, never occurred to me. 00:17:46:10 - 00:17:49:15 Speaker 2 And. 00:17:49:17 - 00:18:09:12 Speaker 2 During these six months before, while I had been getting sicker and sicker, I had been trying hard to function. You know, I'd fall asleep behind the wheel, trying to drive to work. I'd fall asleep at my desk. So it wasn't for lack of effort. 00:18:09:14 - 00:18:40:16 Speaker 2 That I had landed, you know, landed in this situation. And I had simply been getting worse and worse and worse. So I felt broken and believed them when they told me that I was. There was one exception I went to see a doctor in. I think it was in Toledo. Amazing man, an observant Jewish doctor. And when I walked into his office, I could tell he genuinely cared about me. 00:18:40:16 - 00:19:04:13 Speaker 2 He pulled out a PowerPoint to teach me about. Well, first of all, he instantly said he intuitively knew what I what was wrong. And because I was diagnosed with another, collagen disorder that day, which was associated with these, you know, with these other conditions and perhaps making you more likely to suffer the vaccine injury. But he gave me a book that day. 00:19:04:15 - 00:19:36:11 Speaker 2 Why? So he sent it to me after the appointment. First of all, he was very loving, very kind in the appointment. And afterwards he wrote me a personal handwritten letter and mailed it to my house along with the book Why Bad Things Happen to Good People, which is written by a Jewish rabbi. And I remember reading that and feeling like this is not my fault, which I hadn't realized until that moment that I thought it was my fault, and that I had internalized that sense of it being my fault. 00:19:36:11 - 00:20:04:05 Speaker 2 And so just having a doctor that approached it, you know, he didn't even tell me, you can get over this. He didn't even tell me any of those things. He just showed me love. And to have to have someone who just was warm and cared and wasn't just a professional who was there doing his job for 12.5 minutes and getting out the door meant the world. 00:20:04:05 - 00:20:13:04 Speaker 2 But the fact that that was the highlight, in a sense of my medical experience is telling. Yeah. 00:20:13:06 - 00:20:51:15 Speaker 1 I just finished my book in. One of the areas of research for me was on the outcomes of doctor patient interactions. Just like that, the power of love of a doctor who is warm, who is caring, and who treats you like a human being and not a test subject, but also supports personal agency and the belief in your ability to heal the outcomes are dramatically better. 00:20:51:17 - 00:21:00:21 Speaker 1 Also, of course, the time that you spend with your patient influences outcomes. 00:21:01:01 - 00:21:04:06 Speaker 2 I think he spent at least an hour with me. At least an hour. 00:21:04:07 - 00:21:35:15 Speaker 1 Yeah, it makes you consider the system that we've created or not. We the system that's been created, which has turned into profit medicine, where it has dehumanized the interaction between the doctor and the patient. And now we're going down this road of dehumanizing it more. By implementing AI, everyone becomes a data point. And we were talking earlier how the data points are skewed. 00:21:35:15 - 00:21:57:01 Speaker 1 When you have a sick population. What it's normal. What is in the quote unquote healthy range is skewed and distorted. So you have sick people who are just told by their medical professionals that your labs are in the normal range, who would want to be normal in this day and age, we are a sick population and only getting sicker. 00:21:57:01 - 00:22:20:21 Speaker 1 But this conversation today isn't about the darkness. In my opinion. We have to tell the story. Just for context, because you're not here necessarily as someone who's recovered from illness, you're you're here because you've been on the front lines of this fight. But before you ended up at Amos Miller's farm, which is the story today, I'm really interested to know. 00:22:20:21 - 00:22:30:11 Speaker 1 And some of the things that you did to heal and why food as medicine was necessary for you in this recovery process. 00:22:30:13 - 00:22:48:05 Speaker 2 So my my injury was when I was when I was 20 years old. And when I was about 30, I ended up making a deal with the divine. I can get into a little detail on it if you want me to. 00:22:48:10 - 00:22:49:06 Speaker 1 But it. 00:22:49:11 - 00:22:50:11 Speaker 2 I had. 00:22:50:12 - 00:23:04:16 Speaker 1 I've heard this story before, by the way, from lots of people who've made the deal with God, and it's put them on a, on a path. So I think this is an interesting part of the conversation on how your life plays out. 00:23:04:18 - 00:24:02:00 Speaker 2 So I was at that point an avowed atheist. I had lost any faith I had was, you know, on the working with organizations that were not just atheistic, but antithesis focused on the harms that that religion causes. And I was an avowed materialist, but I was plagued by recurring nightmares related to some things from my childhood, and I knew intuitively that they were getting in the way of my well-being, and that I was not going to be a happy person psychologically as long as this was, as long as I was waking up in a cold sweat with my heart pounding almost every morning, replaying the same things from my childhood. 00:24:02:02 - 00:24:27:15 Speaker 2 So when I was about 30, I was reading. I see I was pretty avid reader at that point. I think I was reading How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan, which is an exploration of psychedelics, including psychedelics, for the treatment of of PTSD and similar issues. And I decided, all right, I'm doing this now. I couldn't afford I was on Social Security disability. 00:24:27:15 - 00:24:51:13 Speaker 2 I wasn't in a position to afford to go to a clinic, couldn't get into a study, was going to be able to fly to South America and find myself a shaman. So I will be clear that what I did, I am not recommending to others necessarily, but I decided to do five grams of psilocybin in a sensory deprivation tank. 00:24:51:14 - 00:24:56:11 Speaker 1 Can I can I pause? Yeah. 00:24:56:13 - 00:25:04:00 Speaker 1 What did you know at that time? Why did you think psilocybin could have been part of this healing journey for you? 00:25:04:00 - 00:25:42:05 Speaker 2 I knew that it had been used successfully in larger doses at a single dose. Taking a veteran with PTSD or a person with a traumatic history or a smoker, and changing the behavior, changing the psychological pattern in a single dose. I knew this was possible, and that I knew it had been done in studies because I had read the studies, I'd been introduced to them through Michael Pollan's work, and so I decided to be my own doctor, be my own shaman, and administer this to myself because I couldn't afford to go to one of the places where that was legally able to be done. 00:25:42:05 - 00:25:45:21 Speaker 2 And I decided to do it in a sensory deprivation tank. 00:25:46:00 - 00:25:48:22 Speaker 1 Can I ask why? 00:25:48:24 - 00:26:14:20 Speaker 2 I don't know for sure. Honestly why. I knew I was feeling very drawn to the sensory deprivation experience because it it leaves you alone with your mind. There is no distraction. So the sensor deprivation tanks there. It's like a room you walk into and there's a a bath with 800 pounds of Epsom salts dissolved in it, which makes it more buoyant than even the Dead Sea. 00:26:14:21 - 00:26:32:09 Speaker 2 If you lie in it, still you you will. You will be guaranteed to float. The water is heated to exactly skin temperature. The air is heated to exactly skin temperature. The room is soundproofed and light proofed, so once you get in, you hit the button to turn off the light. You close your eyes. You put in earplugs beforehand. 00:26:32:09 - 00:26:40:18 Speaker 2 Just keep it from getting in your ears and the only sensation you have left if you lie still is smell. That's the only thing left. 00:26:40:24 - 00:26:44:04 Speaker 1 What does that feel like? 00:26:44:06 - 00:26:57:17 Speaker 2 Having done psychedelics now a few times, I would say it's similar. It's a similar experience to a lower dose psychedelic in and of itself because everything is cut off except your own mind. 00:26:57:19 - 00:27:04:17 Speaker 1 So it's almost like you just become pure consciousness. You're kind of like disconnected from the body. Yes. Yeah. 00:27:04:18 - 00:27:40:10 Speaker 2 And if you lie still enough, you won't. You lose awareness completely of your body. And so in that I did five grams and went into that tank. And I set the intention, which I now know a lot more about intention setting. But my intention and my and my absolute belief going in was that I was going to cure myself of these recurring dreams that were getting in the way of my my relationship to my family and people I loved because of their roles in the, you know, the thing I was spinning on in my sleep. 00:27:40:12 - 00:27:55:00 Speaker 2 So I believed firmly I was going to cure this for myself and that I was going to do it in a single trip, and that I was going to go in and just visualize cutting these connections. And it would be done. 00:27:55:00 - 00:28:14:04 Speaker 1 When you chose to go in this direction, was there any intention that there could be a physical improvement, like from your vaccine injury? No. Okay. So you didn't consider that didn't consider this was more emotional. Mental? Yeah. You just at this point just assumed that you were going to have to deal with this health disability for the remainder of your life. 00:28:14:05 - 00:28:15:00 Speaker 1 Yes. Okay. 00:28:15:01 - 00:28:19:01 Speaker 2 And. 00:28:19:03 - 00:28:28:14 Speaker 2 Yeah, I hadn't I had no idea that I could, that I could improve and could heal. I go into this tank and. 00:28:28:16 - 00:28:54:14 Speaker 2 My grandfather had died about two weeks before that. I had not been able to see him in years because I was a strange from my family at the time, not from my grandfather per se, but he wasn't in a position to to choose to see me. I'll put it that way. And so I go into this tank, a materialist atheist with the goal of of ending these, these dreams. 00:28:54:16 - 00:29:15:24 Speaker 2 And I do the exercise of cutting, the cutting, cutting, going in visualizing this connection in my mind and cutting it and believing firmly that this was going to to end this. But some deep part of me wanted to heal on a deeper level, wanted to heal my relationships with the people in my life who had from whom I was cut off. 00:29:16:00 - 00:29:39:22 Speaker 2 There was there was a desire for a much deeper healing. And in this experience, my grandfather showed up. I could see him. He was standing there looking at me, and I knew this, you know, you could you could experience hallucinations and visuals on on psychedelics. And so I thought, okay, well, I mean, of course I'm an atheist, so he wouldn't actually be there. 00:29:39:22 - 00:29:43:01 Speaker 2 And I thought. 00:29:43:03 - 00:29:51:24 Speaker 2 Wow, this is a really fascinating projection of my subconscious here. 00:29:52:01 - 00:30:10:23 Speaker 2 I wonder what he would say if he was actually here, though. And then he started speaking. And the first thing he said to me was honor your father and mother. And that was the minute my atheism began to drop away, because that was not coming from my subconscious. I had been had a strained relationship with my family for quite a long time. 00:30:10:24 - 00:30:24:23 Speaker 2 There was no possibility my subconscious was throwing up, you know, the Ten Commandments in that way. And he continued to speak to me from that point and, and. 00:30:25:00 - 00:30:40:09 Speaker 2 From there I, I had trained myself in advance knowing, you know, if you if you resist or try to hold on to anything in a psychedelic experience, you will have a bad trip, that the key is floating down the river of it. 00:30:40:10 - 00:30:41:10 Speaker 1 Kind of like life. 00:30:41:11 - 00:31:05:13 Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. It's amazing how training yourself for being for being a psycho not actually pays off in the the real world too. And so I was floating down the river, and I knew there was a potential for experiencing what is called ego death, which is where the the part of the mind that controls the sense of I, the sense of self can be literally turned off by the drug. 00:31:05:13 - 00:31:26:23 Speaker 2 And that experience will can and will feel like dying. And the the ego can panic because it can tell it's turning off. And we'll try to convince you that you are dying. And so I knew this was a possibility. I had prepared myself for it. And sure enough, it happened. And so you could feel the, the, that existential terror trying to rise. 00:31:26:23 - 00:31:44:20 Speaker 2 But I had trained myself, let go, let go, float down the river. And so I floated through it. And what I found on the other side changed my life forever. What I found on the other side was. 00:31:44:22 - 00:32:15:13 Speaker 2 It's honestly hard to describe, but the best way I can describe it was that there was only one thing that exists, and that I had dissolved into it, and that this was a force that is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and only love. That that was actually the only thing that existed. And that that was God, not a man in the sky, not a being who judges you. 00:32:15:14 - 00:32:33:01 Speaker 2 None of those things, which is the God I had lost faith in. I had lost faith in the the guy in the sky with a beard who judges you and puts you through stuff to punish you for the things you've done wrong. I had completely lost faith in that God, and what I discovered instead was this this force. 00:32:33:03 - 00:33:05:04 Speaker 2 It wasn't an individual. It was a force. And this awareness that I was actually a part of that force and that it was like an ocean and I was just a drop in it. I and suddenly in that moment, I realized and felt that what I was experiencing was more real than anything I had ever experienced in waking life, and that this was the truth to be discovered beyond the ego. 00:33:05:06 - 00:33:17:04 Speaker 2 And I was just dissolved in there, dissolving this. It was the most blissful, ecstatic experience I had ever had. And in that state. 00:33:17:06 - 00:33:49:02 Speaker 2 I realized I was going to return. I was my ego would come back online. I would start to believe myself to be separate from this force again. And it was devastating. It was so devastating to realize that because when you're separated in that way, when you when you dissolve out of the ego, you recognize I am a petty, miserable, insecure. 00:33:49:04 - 00:34:12:15 Speaker 2 Little individual with this pile of grievances, and they're going to turn back on when this creature that is the ego that lives in my mind wakes back up. And it was devastating to realize that was going to happen because it was the greatest joy and peace that existed to be without that. 00:34:12:16 - 00:34:17:19 Speaker 1 Do you do you believe human beings can exist without it? 00:34:17:21 - 00:34:46:19 Speaker 2 I think that psychedelics can provide a shortcut for some people to to see the potential for it. And I do believe we can get there without, you know, on a permanent level and without psychedelics. I believe there are spiritual masters throughout history that have, but it requires dedication, commitment and intention to fully see and fully release. 00:34:46:21 - 00:34:54:14 Speaker 1 It's so hard to not be identified to the only self that you're known to be up to this point. 00:34:54:15 - 00:34:56:02 Speaker 2 Yes it is. 00:34:56:02 - 00:35:13:11 Speaker 1 But your experience was separate from the self. One would say the true I am, you know, pure consciousness, pure love. So what are the fruits of this experience you get out of that sensory deprivation tank? And then what? 00:35:13:12 - 00:35:34:08 Speaker 2 Well, so I'm, you know, I'm this at this point what, maybe an hour or two hours into not being an atheist. And while I'm in there before I, you know, you I knew I was going to leave this place and come back. And in that moment, honestly, I wanted to I wanted to die and stay there. I want I wanted to not come back. 00:35:34:10 - 00:35:48:09 Speaker 2 I knew I had to, and I knew there were things I was supposed to do. But before I left that state, I made a deal with that consciousness, with that. That eternal force of love. 00:35:48:10 - 00:35:49:07 Speaker 1 Is that God? 00:35:49:13 - 00:36:13:02 Speaker 2 Yes. I realized when I, when I became an atheist, it was right that I became an atheist. If the thing I was not believing in was this God of judgment, I was rejecting something that I intuitively was right to reject. What I did not see was that that actually isn't what God is. 00:36:13:03 - 00:36:14:04 Speaker 1 So you made a deal. 00:36:14:05 - 00:36:49:07 Speaker 2 I made a deal. And I said, if you I said to this force, heal me, allow me to heal, show me the way to healing, and I will spend the rest of my life giving my, you know, giving everything I have for human freedom, human flourishing, for people to live fully and really for what I experienced there. To become available to others. 00:36:49:09 - 00:36:52:23 Speaker 1 Was that in your heart, even before this human freedom. 00:36:53:00 - 00:37:25:16 Speaker 2 Was it was. I had been concerned for years about I had been, you know, a libertarian for years before that. I was concerned about, authority, controlling people's lives, making decisions for them that they should make for themselves. You know, by that point, I was aware of my vaccine injury. And I had concerns, major concerns about the role of the central banks and controlling people, the the entire financial system and controlling people. 00:37:25:18 - 00:37:52:18 Speaker 2 I hadn't yet fully grasped all the issues with the food supply, but I certainly knew that we were eating poison and that I was already concerned about the pesticides and that that type of issue. But that was the deal I made. And then, you know, my ego came back online. I got out of that tank, I showered off and walked out and you could say, well, was that just an experience she had in her mind? 00:37:52:20 - 00:38:10:24 Speaker 2 But the fruit answers that question by its fruits. You will know it. And everyone in my life, my family for certain, will tell you that who I was the day before and who I was the day after that, two very different people and that I've never been. I've never been again who I was before that day. 00:38:11:05 - 00:38:15:05 Speaker 1 Well, how were you different? 00:38:15:07 - 00:38:39:04 Speaker 2 Before that, I had a lot of grievances. Grievances toward my parents, grievances toward the church I'd grown up in, grievances toward toward people and systems I viewed as having heard me. A lot of energy went toward that. And after that, I wrote my parents a letter and simply said, this is me building a bridge from my side of the of the river. 00:38:39:06 - 00:39:06:04 Speaker 2 Will you build one from yours and meet me? I told them about my grandfather. Come to me in a dream, you know, a few years later, before I told them about the the psychedelic use. And over the, you know, over the years following that, we, we rebuilt an incredible and beautiful relationship. And now I would say we are probably one of the tightest knit, most loving families that exist. 00:39:06:06 - 00:39:23:08 Speaker 2 And we are that because we know what it is to not be that. And we have promised each other nothing's ever going to separate us again, that love is the only thing that's really real between us. So yes, I'm a I'm a very different person than I was before I went into that tank. 00:39:23:10 - 00:39:53:15 Speaker 1 Okay. Let's talk about physical healing. Right. So you are vaccine injured and the ramifications of such injury there become whole body, whole health consequences, right. When we and this is what we see in the United States health care system, is that we have a whole range of chronic health conditions that have skyrocketed from autoimmune conditions to various forms of like hormonal conditions. 00:39:53:15 - 00:40:10:20 Speaker 1 We just keep labeling these, but we never really understand the root cause. What are you going to do with your the range of health consequences from this vaccine injury? How do you start approaching your life towards restoration of health? 00:40:10:22 - 00:40:39:18 Speaker 2 Well, I guess one question is, do we get into the role of SSRI in all of this or not? But I was I had been put on an SRY, not knowing what that was years before that, and that contributed significantly to my overall state. A cardiologist put me on it. I was diagnosed as pathologically hypersomnia. They wanted to put me on Ritalin or Provigil, and I knew enough about those drugs to say I did not want to go on them. 00:40:39:18 - 00:40:54:04 Speaker 2 I knew they were habit forming, and so what they told me was, okay, well, instead we have this other drug. It'll just raise your energy, but it's not habit forming. It's been around for 30 years. Excellent safety profile. The only thing it'll do is raise your energy levels a. 00:40:54:04 - 00:40:56:11 Speaker 1 Bit again. Lies, lies. 00:40:56:15 - 00:41:05:16 Speaker 2 And it was given to me by a cardiologist, so it didn't occur to me. Why would I have ever thought a cardiologist was giving me a psychiatric drug? 00:41:05:18 - 00:41:36:12 Speaker 2 So they put me on Prozac, fluoxetine. And I can't say that my energy levels really went up. I was less sensitive after that. I was less disturbed by things, including my own illness. I was also less joyful. My range of experience just narrowed. But what was really disturbing was my empathy levels dropped to. 00:41:36:14 - 00:41:42:05 Speaker 2 I'll back up a sentence. 00:41:42:07 - 00:42:05:07 Speaker 2 What was really disturbing, though, was that my empathy levels dropped to. Before that, I was a highly sensitive, extremely sensitive person. I could not watch anything that was remotely violent. I couldn't listen to music that was like metal. 00:42:05:09 - 00:42:30:02 Speaker 2 I couldn't watch anything that was remotely violent. If there was any violence in a movie or a TV show couldn't watch it, I wouldn't listen to music that was, you know, heavy metal, anything like that. I didn't like what it did to me inside. And I took those drugs. I could watch Game of Thrones, I could watch very violent shows and didn't affect me. 00:42:30:04 - 00:42:43:10 Speaker 2 Looking back, I can see that it massively impacted my personal relationships and not in a good way either. And so on top of the vaccine injury, I was dealing with an unknown to me SSRI. 00:42:43:12 - 00:43:14:07 Speaker 1 Which follows the actual science that we have, is that an SSRI does decrease empathy, empathy, and this neural network of mirror neurons, which allows us to experience another person, their emotions, what they may think, they're selective experience, right. And feeling compassion. 00:43:14:09 - 00:43:49:16 Speaker 1 This gets cut off by a drug and then gets misrepresented as benefit. The idea that feeling less means feeling better. And we're actually in a health care specialty, and a mental health care specialty that would align with this idea that feeling less is feeling better. And I can't imagine anything more dark, more evil than that, because it is human empathy that allows us to be able to protect each other, to care for each other. 00:43:49:22 - 00:43:59:13 Speaker 1 Where a mother protects an infant, where a father protects a child, where you stand up against. 00:43:59:15 - 00:45:07:08 Speaker 1 Authoritarian or evil actions or behaviors, right? Because of your caring for those who are victimized or oppressed. So to disconnect a human being from that emotional experience is walking yourself down a path to becoming less human, more machine like. Right? And that's why I believe that this is much more than just bad science, or the intentions are good, that somehow this idea that the benefits of such a drug can outweigh the harms, that for someone who's really in pain, that you can give something to somebody to take the edge off is somehow beneficial to the human condition. 00:45:07:10 - 00:45:56:16 Speaker 1 But I understand, because we're constructed as human beings to avoid pain, seek out pleasure. But in so many ways, like when you're talking about your own sensitivity. And I've have been connected to people who are very sensitive throughout my, my personal life and my clinical career. They're artists, they're nurturers, they're in service of others. That sensitivity, which I always viewed as a superpower, somehow then gets turned around as a symptom of something they can no longer handle. 00:45:56:18 - 00:46:19:12 Speaker 1 So you go from somebody very sensitive to human pain, which makes you more nurturing, more loving, more caring, and now you're blunted and you're able to actually watch things that you haven't been able to watch previously. How does that change your personality? 00:46:19:14 - 00:46:55:20 Speaker 2 There's this effect called the spellbinding effect, where you don't know you've changed, you don't see the change in yourself, you don't recognize it. And in some ways, I remember feeling like it was a freedom because everybody else could do these things. Everybody else could watch these things. And I had viewed it to some degree as almost a a weakness in myself, where adults should be able to watch, you know, experience violence and be okay with it. 00:46:55:22 - 00:46:57:08 Speaker 2 I don't view it that way anymore. 00:46:57:09 - 00:47:27:07 Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, God, my mind is just going on the various things we've become desensitized to. And this is why I see the porn industry and making that so easily accessible and so free is such a weapon of war, because you begin to become desensitized to things that are sacred. Right? And that's what the drug does to, you know, and desensitize you to things that should be sacred. 00:47:27:09 - 00:47:52:15 Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, I have a good friend, Doctor Joe Varon of the Independent Medical Alliance. He has a clinic down in Houston that treats vaccine injured patients. And he's told me that every single vaccine and your patient who comes to him has been put on an SSRI. Every single one. Why? 00:47:52:17 - 00:48:14:05 Speaker 2 Why are they all being put on it? Why were we all being put on these drugs? Is it that we are experiencing pain from having our lives stripped away from us? And the answer to that pain is simply to blunt us, blunt us to the cage that we have been put in. So we put you in a cage of illness. 00:48:14:07 - 00:48:22:14 Speaker 2 Here's something to numb you out to. That handed to you by the same system that puts you in the cage in the first place. 00:48:22:16 - 00:48:54:22 Speaker 1 Metaphorically, we've built a society and a culture that's a cage. So even if you weren't vaccine injured, it's the same underlying belief system. Right. If we hand you this agent, this chemical numbing agent, and we tell you you're the one who's sick, you're mentally ill for feeling what you're feeling about the cage that you are in. 00:48:54:24 - 00:49:03:11 Speaker 1 Then we take those people, people who otherwise would start revolutions. 00:49:03:13 - 00:49:33:22 Speaker 1 And we make them believe that they're sick. And we tell them it's a better life. You're watching Netflix, take your SSRI and we're going to give you a supercomputer that is going to captivate your brain. We're really we're turning off your humanity. And then in that, you will not be silent enough where you can connect to God, your true self, to wake up. 00:49:33:24 - 00:49:42:06 Speaker 1 Right now, how did you. How did you wake up? How did you get out of this cage? 00:49:42:08 - 00:50:11:04 Speaker 2 Well, after after I made that deal with the divine, I believed I would heal. And it wasn't instant in any way. It was a longer, slower process. But I began, I began to heal. And the first part that healed was my spirit. I began to reconcile with people in my life and find peace with people in my life who had been, who had hurt me, or from whom I've been estranged. 00:50:11:05 - 00:50:23:03 Speaker 2 That was step one, and I think that's actually important because my physical healing followed that. 00:50:23:05 - 00:50:43:06 Speaker 2 While I was drawn, driven by grievance, while I was driven by bitterness, while I was driven by the sense of having been wronged by those, you could call them lower frequency emotions. My body stayed in a far deeper state of disease. 00:50:43:08 - 00:51:04:23 Speaker 1 I'm curious. Used the word frequency. I think some of my audience would certainly identify with the fact that I've thrown out terms like energy and frequency over the course of my evolution within this podcast. So when you say lower frequency emotions, what do you mean? 00:51:05:00 - 00:51:25:23 Speaker 2 Well, if you you know, if I were to have a chart of emotions with the highest ones, if we say frequency, I think think in terms of, of sound here, the lowest level ones or guilt, shame above that hatred, anger, spite. 00:51:25:24 - 00:51:26:11 Speaker 1 Fear. 00:51:26:12 - 00:51:31:04 Speaker 2 Fear and the lower ones. You could classify all of them as as some form of fear. 00:51:31:06 - 00:51:31:22 Speaker 1 Okay. 00:51:31:23 - 00:51:59:16 Speaker 2 So if you used fear as kind of an umbrella for those lower, lower level ones, and then the top half of the chart where the sun starts to rise is joy, gratitude, peace, love. And then the highest is unconditional love. And that is what that is the frequency that I experienced when I passed the barrier of ego and, and dissolved, you know, dissolved into the oneness. 00:51:59:20 - 00:52:21:24 Speaker 1 Okay. Well, you said something fascinating. I'd have to rewind it a little bit here. It's almost like you're saying this had to this preceded your health restoration. Almost like you're attributing not anything clearly physical, that there was something almost energetic behind your health restoration. 00:52:22:00 - 00:52:53:22 Speaker 2 Yes, I would say that is true. So I had to start healing emotionally and spiritually before my body began to heal. That is true. And I think it takes so much energy to maintain a space of anger, spite, grievance. So much energy goes into that that isn't going into your healing. 00:52:53:24 - 00:53:20:16 Speaker 2 And it's a state of disease like any of us who have experienced those emotions, which is all of us. Think about how you feel inside when you are just furious with what someone else has done, done to you. Feel how tight your muscles get, feel how tight your chest gets. They'll hear jaw clenches and then think how you feel when you're holding your newborn baby, or lying in the arms of the person you love. 00:53:20:18 - 00:53:36:20 Speaker 2 Feel how different those two states are. Give you know, seeing your best friend for the first time in months and just giving them a big hug. Think about how different your body feels in those two states. 00:53:36:22 - 00:54:08:10 Speaker 1 This might sound heretical, and it does in Western societies, but there is a whole body of scientific research that would support exactly what you're saying is that when the body is in that state of love and peace, it heals itself. There's also a pretty strong body of research that demonstrates the healing. The emotional healing of conditions leads to the physical healing of the body. 00:54:08:12 - 00:54:37:11 Speaker 1 And the root cause of some illness is the body at disease, right? The symptoms may vary, can range from cancer to autoimmune to a number of conditions. But what is at its root is actually emotional, like an energy that's been suppressed. And in that energy, emotion being emotion in energy and motion, those lower frequency almost becomes indebted, embedded into the body in some way. 00:54:37:13 - 00:55:22:10 Speaker 1 And the body in its attempts to try to seek out homeostasis. Symptoms arise could be a tumor that is protective. And then the way we view it as pathology, without understanding the whole as other cultures have as human beings, have evolved over the course of their development. One in nature. Right. That we are not separate from nature. In fact, we as energetic beings, on a level, on the second dimensional level, there's microscopic living beings. 00:55:22:10 - 00:55:44:23 Speaker 1 Our cells can be viewed as living our gut flora. Right. So we are one with these microorganisms. I think this is necessary for a later discussion. But to take the human being from its environment out of it being one and connected to the environment and into. 00:55:45:00 - 00:56:21:23 Speaker 1 Create a system that puts you at war, essentially with nature, has created unprecedented levels of human disease, and we can put the whole mental illness aspect dis ease, right? Depression, anxiety, this fear. Right. And then cancer diagnoses, skyrocketing autoimmune obesity, right. We put the human being in war with nature and we get sicker. 00:56:22:00 - 00:56:44:13 Speaker 2 This is so true. This is so true. And I do think that this is why so many people today are in some form of disease, and why I'm so passionate about other people having access to means of bringing themselves back into alignment in the same way that I was able to. 00:56:44:15 - 00:57:08:07 Speaker 1 Can we go to the physical part now? Yeah, because I, I do completely agree with you because at first, before you even get to the physical, if you are unable to find some degree of peace, forgiveness, right, then you can't get your body back into that alignment right now. And then the physical part, if you keep ingesting poisons, then you're going to be right back out of alignment. 00:57:08:08 - 00:57:12:20 Speaker 1 So this is we have to understand ourselves to be physical and spiritual beings. 00:57:12:22 - 00:57:45:17 Speaker 2 Yeah. So this was probably this was my physical healing really began to ramp up a few years later, I'd say 2 or 3 years later. And in 20 2020 is when it really began and then into 2021. So in 2021, a friend of mine told me to try raw milk, unpasteurized milk, or I think I like I prefer the term fresh milk because honestly, it's just milk, right? 00:57:45:18 - 00:58:09:12 Speaker 2 It's we've altered it by boiling it in its natural state as fresh milk. It is what comes out of the cow. But a friend told me to try that. That it might help me with healing. That healing my gut might help me with my other autoimmune issues that has had arisen from this vaccine injury. Now, I had no knowledge of raw milk. 00:58:09:12 - 00:58:32:01 Speaker 2 All I knew was the propaganda about it. All I knew was that it was very dangerous. You'd probably get listeria or E.coli and get extremely ill, maybe die. That was what I knew. But I was desperate to heal. I wanted it so badly that if you had told me that, you know, cutting off a limb might help me, I would have possibly considered it. 00:58:32:03 - 00:58:57:22 Speaker 2 I wanted, you know, physical healing that badly. So I decided to start trying this. I got it from a local Amish farm about 40 minutes from my house, and within weeks I began to improve. I was consuming first I consumed straight raw milk, but then I switched to raw milk kefir, which was illegal. Pennsylvania does not allow raw milk or creamer. 00:58:57:24 - 00:59:01:00 Speaker 2 Butter, just straight raw milk. 00:59:01:02 - 00:59:04:06 Speaker 1 So am I. I'm a criminal right now. Yes. 00:59:04:09 - 00:59:25:04 Speaker 2 Yes you are. What? And what's what's so strange about this is you can produce them for animals, but you can't produce them for people. So there are a lot of people who are apparently identifying as pets. Meow. 00:59:25:06 - 00:59:42:22 Speaker 1 So. But let me jump in there real quick, okay? Because I know there's so many people listening who've just been propagandized on this. What is the difference between a pasteurized milk and raw milk? Just at the. 00:59:42:24 - 00:59:43:20 Speaker 2 Huge difference. 00:59:43:22 - 00:59:44:11 Speaker 1 Let's discuss. 00:59:44:11 - 01:00:11:21 Speaker 2 The huge difference. So there are a ton of bioactive compounds in milk as it comes out of the cow that are all destroyed by heating it, lactoferrin becomes much less bioavailable. The probiotics that are in there, Lactobacillus, all of these things that you can buy expensive pills to get to, to rebuild your gut. Those are present abundantly in in raw milk. 01:00:11:23 - 01:00:33:03 Speaker 2 So are many of the healthy components that are present in your blood leukocytes, lymphocytes, all of these that are extremely beneficial for your immune system. They're all in there. And that's that's far from all of it. But there's extremely healthy fats that are then broken down and destroyed by the heating process. And so they will rebuild your gut lining. 01:00:33:03 - 01:01:04:15 Speaker 2 They will help build your immune system. They will down regulate inflammatory processes in your body. And then glutathione is another big one, which I think is one of the things that helped me the most. The glutathione that is present in raw milk is a potent detoxifying for toxins in your body, and one of the main factors in a vaccine injury is the buildup of toxins in your body that are in the vaccine, in this case, potent aluminum from the Gardasil vaccine. 01:01:04:15 - 01:01:11:07 Speaker 2 That was a vaccine, by the way, in the trials they knew this was going to cause. 01:01:11:09 - 01:01:40:15 Speaker 2 Serious and moderate autoimmune injuries in young women who were given this. How do they know? Well, in the test they they gave a one arm was truly placebo saline. One was just the adjuvant, which is the thing to get your immune system to notice the vaccine. And then one was the live the vaccine itself plus the adjuvant. And in both the adjuvant only ARM and the adjuvant plus vaccine arm, it was either 2.3 or 2.8% of the young women. 01:01:40:15 - 01:02:08:01 Speaker 2 They gave it to developed new moderate or severe autoimmune diseases. That's nearly 3%. That's a huge number of young women being injured. They went ahead with it anyways and released it to market. So and what that tells you is that it wasn't actually the vaccine itself. The, the, the vaccine portion of the shot. It was the adjuvant, the the neurotoxin, the potent teased aluminum. 01:02:08:01 - 01:02:11:06 Speaker 2 And this was the most potent aluminum in any vaccine. 01:02:11:06 - 01:02:13:01 Speaker 1 What do they use for the adjuvant? 01:02:13:02 - 01:02:20:13 Speaker 2 It was a potent aluminum. I forget the second I was like a potent aluminum hydroxide I think okay. 01:02:20:14 - 01:02:23:13 Speaker 1 And how does how does the body react. 01:02:23:15 - 01:02:30:03 Speaker 2 To use it as a threat and a pathogen and begins to attack it, but can also attack your own cells. 01:02:30:04 - 01:02:40:03 Speaker 1 Okay. So again, this is just a little bit of a wake up call for people. You sound like an anti-vaxxer. 01:02:40:05 - 01:02:46:20 Speaker 2 But you know what anti-vaxxers don't do? They don't take vaccines and get injured by them. Yeah, I'm a professor who learned the hard way. 01:02:46:21 - 01:03:24:07 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's such a dumb argument. Right. And we're not we're not here to point out the ignorant. We want to educate and we we trust. I mean, we personally just just believe in everybody's internal compass. And this is an issue of freedom because if you're not informed then you cannot consent. And so here we are, people have been propagandized to be view vaccines as you're, you're just injecting a small like portion of the whatever the condition is. 01:03:24:07 - 01:03:38:21 Speaker 1 So your body's natural immunity can create the immunological response to protect you in the future. Right. It's just basic biology. You learn it in ninth grade, right? What's really happening, though. 01:03:38:22 - 01:04:07:01 Speaker 2 What's really happening is you're injecting a neurotoxin to get your immune system to panic and notice everything in your body at that time. Now, if that was so, let's this is where viewing the viewing the human being as a machine is such a problem. Because this is assuming, then, that the only thing in your body that you're, that you're suddenly hyper alert, you know, five alarm fire immune system is going to notice. 01:04:07:02 - 01:04:18:17 Speaker 2 Is that one thing that came in the shot, right. That that little molecule that that's the one thing your immune system is going to notice. But no, it may notice anything else that is in your body at that point, including your own tissue. 01:04:18:18 - 01:04:44:23 Speaker 1 And we bombard the most vulnerable. Yeah, right. The the newborns, we bombard this in the name of science. Now, if you know this information and what medical school did you go to? None. Yeah. And this is again my, my issue when they tried to tell people to stay in their lane, which means don't read. Yes. Right. Just be a sheep. 01:04:45:00 - 01:05:04:19 Speaker 1 You're a slave. Act like a slave. Right? We own your body. We own that child, right? We we tell you what you do with your own child. And you know what? Well, investigate you if you fail to provide them our medical care. So you have to be ignorant and you have to follow. You have to follow the rules. 01:05:04:19 - 01:05:26:00 Speaker 1 You need to be ignorant and you need to be obedient. Right? Okay. And we have an authoritative class that we're going to tell them what they need to know. We're going to punish independent thinking, and we're going to create them as the authority. And you follow the authority. And when you go to a court of law, it is that authority that we're going to make decisions based upon. 01:05:26:01 - 01:06:01:23 Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And that's why it's so important to know how our freedom and the illusion of, of our freedom is very much has been it's not an at risk situation. You've never had it. No. You you are free to only the extent in which you will obey by their rules. And then you have a skyrocketing sick population that you're not allowed to tie it back to the interventions in their war with human nature. 01:06:02:00 - 01:06:02:20 Speaker 2 Right, exactly. 01:06:02:21 - 01:06:21:05 Speaker 1 And so, 99% of these shows never want to talk about intent. They're not ignorant if you have that information. If I have that information, I do it anyway. Why are they doing it? 01:06:21:07 - 01:06:29:00 Speaker 2 Yeah, I've been very blessed in the last few years to get to know. 01:06:29:02 - 01:06:58:12 Speaker 2 Some of the absolutely incredible doctors who put everything on the line during the Covid years to protect others, the doctors who like Doctor Ryan Cole, who blew the whistle on the turbo cancers because he he ran a large independent pathology lab. And as a data nerd, I say that lovingly. And he he was noticing this strange signal where suddenly some specific cancers were going way up in the samples. 01:06:58:12 - 01:07:20:01 Speaker 2 And so he started looking and saying, there's something strange happening here. Why are these specific cancers suddenly far higher in the samples coming into my lab looked for what are the commonalities between these people? And realized that these were all spiking right after their shots. That's a doctor who decided to simply open his eyes and look at the data. 01:07:20:03 - 01:07:30:01 Speaker 2 Many, many other doctors in, you know, who are associated with IMA and these other groups decided to do that too. But if they can do it, every doctor can do it. 01:07:30:02 - 01:07:35:02 Speaker 1 What happens to these doctors who actually think independently? 01:07:35:04 - 01:08:13:07 Speaker 2 Well, I think this is why so many doctors don't. There's this wise and well-known saying that it's hard to convince a man of something when his salary depends on him not believing it. Yeah, and up until the 1980s, most or many doctors were independent, ran their own practices. It slowly consolidated in the same way the food supply consolidated, where it became a corporate run thing, where most doctors are working for mega corporations in large hospital systems, and for them, if they if they if they see the see this and say something, they will lose their jobs, as many doctors did during that era. 01:08:13:09 - 01:08:47:14 Speaker 1 I started the radically genuine podcast in the aftermath of of Covid, and my brother and I love him. You know, those have been with the Radically Genuine podcast since its inception. Will now, Sean was on the other side, and he just could not fathom the idea that this could be intentional. And I just, I, you know, I believe there's a lot of good hearted people out there who they could never could not fathom this. 01:08:47:14 - 01:08:58:21 Speaker 1 And therefore, those who bring this up have to be lying, conspiratorial, right. There's something wrong with them, right? 01:08:58:23 - 01:09:02:17 Speaker 2 You know, it's interesting you say that I. 01:09:02:19 - 01:09:23:21 Speaker 2 You know, just skipping ahead with this anecdote. But after I healed, I had an electrophysiology, missed an absolutely phenomenal doctor in the Philadelphia area, one of the best in the entire region. And she'd been looking after me for years, had seen me come into all my appointments in a, you know, an electric wheelchair scooter because I couldn't walk well. 01:09:23:23 - 01:09:42:14 Speaker 2 And she'd seen that for years. And one day I walk in and I tell her, I no longer need your care. I'm healed. And she was so thrilled for me and blown away. And she wanted to know what I had done because she wanted to write a paper on it, because she had so many patients who were stuck this way for life. 01:09:42:16 - 01:09:52:06 Speaker 2 And, you know, all these young women suffering. She and and she had told me that, you know, she'd had this major uptick in Pots patients. This was in 2022. 01:09:52:07 - 01:09:54:06 Speaker 1 Can you can you let everyone know what Pots is. 01:09:54:07 - 01:10:16:21 Speaker 2 Pots postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. So postural the position of your body. Orthostatic blood pressure tachycardia your heart rate going way too fast. So it's basically that you change your posture. Your blood pressure goes down, your heart rate goes through the roof. And it's it's very debilitating condition. And it's what I had and I had to just severe version of it that my heart would stop. 01:10:16:23 - 01:10:29:19 Speaker 2 But she's so excited that I'm and wants to write a paper and she's like, what did you do? And I tell her and I just watch her deflate. And she said, I could write that paper, but I'd never get it published. 01:10:29:20 - 01:10:56:07 Speaker 1 Yeah, that's you know, this isn't conspiracy, folks. This is how the system is set up. So you don't receive this information for profit industries run by exactly the same degree of the same professionals who are placed in this position to protect their bottom line, to protect their industry itself. So you don't get science. You go on to Google and you think, or even AI. 01:10:56:08 - 01:11:28:08 Speaker 1 Now this is a whole dangerous area. You get the approved narrative. It doesn't mean this stuff doesn't exist. This research is being done around the world. There's if you look hard enough, you can find it. It's a selected, approved narrative. And even when the data doesn't support their narrative, they will alter the title, the abstract, its conclusions to support the narrative. 01:11:28:09 - 01:11:42:21 Speaker 1 John Ironsides, who I've mentioned previously on this podcast, said 85 to 90% of conclusions of paper don't actually fit the data. 01:11:42:23 - 01:12:10:04 Speaker 1 And this is what our doctors are making clinical decisions based on. Let's face it, when you do your Google search folks and you think you get the the the evidence based narrative here, that you think it's science, you're getting a manipulated version of it, and they're controlling the narrative because they know you won't go any deeper than page one of Google. 01:12:10:06 - 01:12:20:13 Speaker 1 That's why in order for you to escape the matrix, you're going to have to leave convenience. 01:12:20:15 - 01:12:21:14 Speaker 2 This is so true. 01:12:21:14 - 01:12:25:07 Speaker 1 And they are. 01:12:25:08 - 01:12:37:12 Speaker 1 Betting on the fact that your jail cell your convenience. Let me describe what your jail cell has become. 01:12:37:14 - 01:12:43:24 Speaker 1 Your cushy home that you pay Blackrock for. 01:12:44:01 - 01:13:17:03 Speaker 1 Netflix. Your entertainment, your cell phone that you've become dependent to, where they feed the narrative to, and your doctor on demand, all under the illusion that you're just in this one life and you're happy and you're healthy. Everything's easy. Right? Banking is easy. Going to a doctor's easy. 01:13:17:05 - 01:13:30:12 Speaker 1 Going to the grocery store easy. But this is the jail cell that you're built in and you live in. 01:13:30:14 - 01:14:17:17 Speaker 1 And very predictably, right. You're you're going to spend the last 20, if you're lucky, the last 20 years of your life on pharmaceutical drugs, seeing your doctor every week, believing you're receiving health care and you just accept the fact this is the normal aging process. Anything that would lead to feeling younger and healthier, you know, like actually being connected to nature and walking the elements, stressing the body to an extent, being off your phone, all those things will make you feel horrible because you're, you know, in such horrific shape. 01:14:17:18 - 01:14:37:01 Speaker 1 And so the best thing that, you know, the best aspect of your life is probably watching. Sports and the nightly cocktail and staying addicted to the food that the artificial fake food that your brain has become dependent on. 01:14:37:02 - 01:14:44:00 Speaker 2 That is chemically, chemically developed in a lab for maximum addiction potential. 01:14:44:02 - 01:15:20:21 Speaker 1 Yeah. And I understand that this sounds a bit dystopian, right? But this is like, the spellbinding effect of the jail cell that you're in is you don't even know what it's like to be on the other end outside of that jail cell, because you haven't experienced freedom in a lot of your life. Unfortunately, and we see a boomer generation who has been brought up on CNN and Fox News, conditioned entertainment, fake food, vaccines in the worst medical care in the entire developed world. 01:15:20:23 - 01:15:31:21 Speaker 1 And they themselves right now are more disconnected than any generation, unfortunately. But I have hope for younger generation. 01:15:31:22 - 01:15:48:18 Speaker 2 I do too. I have a lot of hope, actually, for this younger generation, because it's harder to it's going to be harder to trick them when they realize what they can wake up to. They've seen from a very young age the damage that these things do. They know how damaging it is to have screen time when you're 13? 01:15:48:18 - 01:16:05:13 Speaker 2 Because they did. Yeah. They know the impact on on relationships when you know you're when before you've even years before you've had your first actual intimate partner yourself. You've been exposed to hardcore pornography. They know the consequences of that in a way that prior generations did not. 01:16:05:14 - 01:16:28:24 Speaker 1 Well, yeah. I mean, in Covid, what do you get? You know, close the churches, keep the liquor stores open, and the subscription model for all your entertainment goes through the roof. Yeah. Boy, we digress. Right. Let's let's go back to your, your healing journey, your your exposure. Like, at some point you said, I gotta change the way I live. 01:16:29:00 - 01:16:52:10 Speaker 2 Yes. So I started to use to use raw milk. And then I moved quickly to fermented raw milk, which I could only access on the black market, which I was very happy to do. And I began to heal and heal quickly. My blood pressure started to rise. My heart rate started to go down. I began to be able to walk much longer distances. 01:16:52:10 - 01:17:19:11 Speaker 2 I was more alert. It was amazing to watch this, to experience this change start. And I'm experiencing this while realizing that the farmer supplying it to me to have his life destroyed for supplying it to me. The thing that is healing me he could go to jail for. And I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt, freedom that that was wrong. 01:17:19:13 - 01:17:36:18 Speaker 1 Home of the home of the free. Land of the brave. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is what public school has done to us, right? It's it's the illusion of freedom. So can you. That bears repeating. Right. And I want to make sure I heard you correct. Can you say that again? 01:17:36:20 - 01:18:06:04 Speaker 2 The farmer who is supplying me with the food that has been around for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years, which all of our ancestors prized as the elixir of health. In the Bible, the the Promised Land is described as a land flowing with milk and honey that was not pasteurized milk. Just so we're all clear, that is, there was an awareness that this was a food of of health and thriving rock of fear. 01:18:06:06 - 01:18:30:12 Speaker 2 Kefir is a fermented milk in the cultures in Eastern Europe that produced this. It was a death penalty offense to reveal the secret of how it was made to rival tribes, because they knew it was the secret to their own health and vitality, to have the means to create such a powerful, health giving product that required no refrigeration and could remain good at room temperature for days. 01:18:30:14 - 01:18:33:07 Speaker 1 What impact did it have on your body? 01:18:33:09 - 01:19:08:17 Speaker 2 An amazing one, I began. My my gut healed and then my body healed and my brain healed. So I began to have a level of vitality I had not had since my teens. It was amazing to experience, but I could not get over that fact that the farmer who I knew personally, who was providing this to me illegally, could have his life destroyed for for giving me the thing that gave me back my health. 01:19:08:19 - 01:19:30:11 Speaker 2 So come now to August of 2022, Tucker Carlson has covered this case of an Amish farmer that made the national news. A guy good friend of mine at the time, or who became a good friend of mine. I called Jeremy Le Fredo, who was this Canadian independent journalist, brought the story to Tucker, and Tucker was so shocked by it that he aired it on his Fox News show. 01:19:30:11 - 01:19:49:03 Speaker 2 And it was the story of this Amish farmer, Amos Miller, who was raided by armed federal agents for producing. In that case, it was it was because he was producing meat that was not done in a USDA plant and therefore not coated in chemicals. And he was doing it because his customers asked. 01:19:49:03 - 01:19:50:23 Speaker 1 Him to pause there. 01:19:51:00 - 01:19:52:12 Speaker 2 Sure. 01:19:52:14 - 01:20:11:20 Speaker 1 Because I'm fairly certain 99% of people listening to this don't understand what you just said. Okay, how is meat produced? What do you mean? First of all, who's the USDA? What authorities do they do? They have? And how is our food produced? What are they actually enforcing? 01:20:11:22 - 01:20:29:24 Speaker 2 The USDA is the US Department of Agriculture. They manage nondairy food. They manage meat and grains, all of those things. They came into being after the the book The Jungle was written about the meat processing plants in. 01:20:30:00 - 01:20:30:16 Speaker 1 Upton Sinclair. 01:20:30:17 - 01:21:03:22 Speaker 2 Upton Sinclair, that's that's the name. And Upton Sinclair said he was aiming for people's hearts and accidentally hit their stomachs when he wrote that book. So he was writing about the farmers who were not Amos Miller. He was not writing about them at all. He was writing about the mega corporations who were producing food on a massive industrial scale, with no regard for cleanliness, hygiene and or their workers and how horrific the outcomes were. 01:21:03:24 - 01:21:33:02 Speaker 2 The USDA was put into place because Europe's Europe said, we're not letting American food in if that's the way it's being produced. And so the USDA was put into place to allegedly at the time, it was because they were going to make sure that if you ordered a can of corn, you didn't open it and find kidney beans, that if you ordered pork, you didn't open it and find chicken, it was going to be it was primarily a labeling agency to make sure the label was accurate. 01:21:33:04 - 01:21:47:02 Speaker 2 But as tends to happen with government, their role was expanded and expanded and expanded by themselves and by the government agents that put laws in place. 01:21:47:03 - 01:21:51:04 Speaker 1 I almost fell off my chair when you said they spray meat. Can you explain that? 01:21:51:05 - 01:22:14:20 Speaker 2 Sure. So in order for me to be sold in the United States, it must, unless it's chicken. And we'll get to that later. Or your own cow, or you're buying half a cow. Take those considerations aside. But if you're buying meat in the grocery store, it will have gone through a USDA processing facility. They they do not allow you to simply process a cow and sell it. 01:22:14:20 - 01:22:52:23 Speaker 2 It must be sprayed with chemicals to decontaminate the meat and kill off the by the microbes on it. On its face. This, to me is a little strange because I generally cook my meat, which would also kill those bacteria. But when you consider that these the mega slaughterhouses are filthy places with 10,000 animals coming through in a day where cleanliness is not necessarily a priority, you could see how an argument for this could be made, potentially, but that's very different from a one farmer who processes 1 or 2 cows a day in a clean environment. 01:22:53:02 - 01:22:58:12 Speaker 2 It's a completely different thing. And I've worked in slaughterhouses, so I can tell you it's a very different thing. 01:22:58:13 - 01:23:00:07 Speaker 1 What is it that they're spraying? 01:23:00:09 - 01:23:28:07 Speaker 2 So they sprayed different, different chemicals. Some meat is hit with bleach. Come on. Yeah. So some meat is hit with acid, parasitic acid. But a very common one is citric acid. Now what's wrong with citric acid? Right. That's made. You'd think that's made from citrus, wouldn't you? Based on its name, no. Citric acid is made from GMO corn that is fed to a genetically modified black mold. 01:23:28:09 - 01:23:48:05 Speaker 2 And then the genetically modified black mold excretes a substance that they call citric acid. It is done in China and then imported into the United States. So this is a Chinese Chinese, GMO, black mold made food additive that is imported and mandated to be sprayed onto your. 01:23:48:06 - 01:23:50:04 Speaker 1 What effect does it have on the human body? 01:23:50:04 - 01:23:55:21 Speaker 2 There are studies showing that it is associated with the development of autoimmune disease. 01:23:55:22 - 01:23:58:20 Speaker 1 What's what's skyrocketing in the United States. 01:23:58:20 - 01:24:34:06 Speaker 2 Black mold allergies and autoimmune diseases. And so black mold byproducts are sprayed on your food. Now, they'll say that the black mold is purified out. And obviously, you know, I don't think it's unreasonable to question whether the industrially processed Chinese food additive is always as purified as they claim it is. And so Amos Miller's customers were very often people with severe health issues who had given up on being able to eat grocery store food because it made them sick and sought him out. 01:24:34:08 - 01:24:52:03 Speaker 2 It's not convenient to get his food. You can't just go to a grocery store and get it. You know exactly who you're getting it from and you know exactly what it is. And they sought him out specifically because he agreed to make it for them without spraying any chemicals on it, without putting any additives in the milk. A lot of milk is bleach in it. 01:24:52:03 - 01:24:55:12 Speaker 2 People don't realize that either. 01:24:55:14 - 01:25:05:23 Speaker 2 There's you have to keep your your milk bacteria count below a certain level. If a tester comes in and I can tell you that there are farmers who will add a little bleach to the milk to knock that count down. 01:25:05:24 - 01:25:39:22 Speaker 1 So when I say that there is a war on human nature putting pitting us against nature, when we say bacteria like everyone assumes that this is like like bacteria is dangerous. So here you use this antibacterial soap. You know, it's like boom, automatic condition response. Make sure that you don't expose yourself to bacteria. But let's actually let's take a leap of faith here and use a little science again. 01:25:39:22 - 01:25:46:20 Speaker 1 Ninth grade biology. What does bacteria actually do? Like when we're talking about this. Because before. 01:25:46:21 - 01:26:11:17 Speaker 2 Literally every process in your body is dependent at some level on it. There's so there's the beneficial bacteria, the ones that your body depends on to digest and process your food. There's commensal bacteria which have either are completely harmless or under certain circumstances are beneficial to you. And then there's opportunistic pathogens, which only when they get above a certain level are a threat to you. 01:26:11:18 - 01:26:28:12 Speaker 2 Right? We think of e-coli is so bad your gut is full of e-coli. Why are you not sick all the time? It's only when these things go out of balance that you have a problem. What would send them out of balance? Well, we'll send them out of balance. Is not having enough of the beneficial bacteria that you need. 01:26:28:13 - 01:26:32:21 Speaker 2 What is raw milk full of beneficial bacteria. 01:26:32:23 - 01:26:35:04 Speaker 1 How'd you get involved in this fight? 01:26:35:05 - 01:26:36:20 Speaker 2 So yeah, getting back to that. 01:26:36:20 - 01:26:40:04 Speaker 1 So Amos kind of bury the lead a little bit. 01:26:40:06 - 01:27:03:00 Speaker 2 So Tucker Carlson had covered this story on his show, and my partner at the time said, hey, you should watch this. This will interest you. And I did. And it was just it was sitting in my mind for about a week or two. And then one day I had this very strong compulsion. I've had these compulsions since this was the first time I would have one of these. 01:27:03:00 - 01:27:34:08 Speaker 2 That was very strong, and it was get up. Go drive to Amos Miller's farm. There's something you need to do to help him. What? Doesn't matter. You'll figure it out. So get in a car. Friend of my. My friend Sue is with me. We drive out to his farm. There's this man sitting Amish man sitting on the little a little cement wall outside his store, hunched over, head in his hands, and I walk up to him and I say, are you Amos Miller? 01:27:34:08 - 01:27:55:14 Speaker 2 And he says, yes, I am. And I said, well, you don't know me, but I believe I'm, I'm, I there's something I can do to help you. What do you need? And he said, I need a fearless attorney. I don't trust the attorney I have right now to be working in my in my interests. And the situation Amos was in at this point was he had been raided by these armed federal agents for producing meat. 01:27:55:16 - 01:28:09:09 Speaker 2 They'd gone after him for dairy a few years ago, but couldn't get that case to stick to him. We'll get into that later. So then the next thing they did was go after him for his meat. At the time I arrived at his farm, they were trying to add his wife as a codefendant on the case against him. 01:28:09:13 - 01:28:20:17 Speaker 2 They were about to seize his farm. He owed $305,000 in fines to the federal government and was facing jail. 01:28:20:19 - 01:28:46:16 Speaker 2 So the man with his head in his hands that I walked up to, that was his situation, and he told me he needed a fearless attorney. And so I said, I believe I could help him. And I contacted Robert Barnes, who I had been following his his work for a while. He had helped a lot of people in the vaccine injury and, and the, you know, avoiding having to take the Covid, the Covid shot context. 01:28:46:16 - 01:29:07:05 Speaker 2 And I asked him, are you? I knew he was someone that would take controversial cases and would take cases where the government was the alleged victim, and so he agreed to take it. And I initially thought, okay, this is my job is done. I've introduced the guide to a lawyer that can help him, like, we're good to go. 01:29:07:07 - 01:29:22:14 Speaker 2 Came back to the farm to, you know, Robert couldn't be there in person. So I came with my with my cell phone because of course, the Amish don't have their own phones. They'd have a little shed, a little shed where you couldn't, you know, out in the field or in this case, he had a little shed that was an office with a bunch of other people taking taking phone calls. 01:29:22:14 - 01:29:44:13 Speaker 2 It wasn't a good place for legal meeting. So I said, I'll come back, we'll use my cell phone and you and the attorney can talk. But it was immediately clear that, you know, if there was a Venn diagram of Amish English and Attorney English, the way the Amish see the world and the way the attorneys understand the world, they'd be non-overlapping circles. 01:29:44:13 - 01:30:06:10 Speaker 2 There was it was very clear immediately that it was going to be very difficult for these two parties to understand each other, not through any ill intent, just because their worlds and their understandings were so, so different. And so that at that moment I realized I was going to need to stay involved. Because I come from a background that's similar to the Amish, I understand their culture very well. 01:30:06:10 - 01:30:23:21 Speaker 2 I have a lot of a deep love and respect for them, and they knew the culture I came from, so they respected and trusted me. And I also understood the the legal culture well enough to be able to be an intermediary. So the next two years of my life were that case. 01:30:23:22 - 01:30:28:03 Speaker 1 Some clarification. What law school did you graduate from? 01:30:28:05 - 01:30:29:20 Speaker 2 Same as my medical school. None. 01:30:29:21 - 01:30:34:04 Speaker 1 Oh, okay. 01:30:34:06 - 01:30:35:20 Speaker 1 How did you do this? 01:30:35:22 - 01:30:52:17 Speaker 2 Trust. I knew I was called to do it. Remember, I had made this deal, so I knew I was being. This was. This was my side of the deal. I was being asked to do this. And so I had total faith that whatever I needed to learn, whatever I needed to do would be, would be clear, and I'd be able to. 01:30:52:17 - 01:31:23:04 Speaker 1 Do it. Can I mention one of the PsyOps that exists in our culture? It's called credentialing, folks. They make you believe that you cannot trust yourself, that you have to rely on an authority. They credential them. What you don't realize is those who are under the credential have to follow their rules. You have to dispense their knowledge. They are not independent. 01:31:23:06 - 01:31:50:08 Speaker 1 If they were independent, their license gets investigated. My license has been investigated twice because of my work, because of the type of work, because of my outcomes. No, it's because I. I commit the sin of stepping outside my lane. Apparently, the lane that they have created. 01:31:50:09 - 01:31:52:00 Speaker 2 How dare you? 01:31:52:02 - 01:32:25:19 Speaker 1 Because, you know, a clinical psychologist with a doctoral degree who has been trained at the highest levels to engage in scientific research, was published. Scientific research cannot have an opinion on a psychiatric drug that is being dispensed by nurse practitioners and GPS who have zero training on the research, the science, mental health conditions. Right. So this is what they do. 01:32:25:19 - 01:33:04:21 Speaker 1 Somehow your doctor can prescribe an SSRI. But I, who have thrown years into understanding this at every level from an investigative level, is not in any way holding the expertise to be able to inform the public. So the Psyop is this is that you, as a free and sovereign citizen, couldn't possibly have knowledge that could support your informed decision making of your health or that of your child. 01:33:04:23 - 01:33:23:05 Speaker 1 This is what we've surrendered to. This is what we have given up. And this is what an awakening means to all of us, is you have to be aware of the psychological operations that have been placed upon you since your birth. 01:33:23:07 - 01:34:01:04 Speaker 1 And that's how you begin to escape the prison that's been provided. Listen, the same psychological operations that have impacted you have impacted me. I'm not saying I'm better than you. I have dedicated my life and created some business operations that exist to get yourself out of the cage, and it's only going to grow from here. But the recognition is here is that you have to be aware of what they have done to self imprison you, and you're imprisoned by your own fear. 01:34:01:04 - 01:34:39:06 Speaker 1 You're imprisoned by your own beliefs. I'm sitting across from somebody who just didn't get that memo right, who instead followed a calling and decided to run a legal case. And she has no medical training. She has no law training. So, let's get into the details of this, because you had to follow something. Something needed to direct you, on how to protect this man who was facing. 01:34:39:06 - 01:34:40:09 Speaker 1 What was he facing? 01:34:40:09 - 01:34:52:18 Speaker 2 He was facing prison. $305,000 in fines. His wife being made a codefendant in the case, which could leave her vulnerable to prison time to. He had small children at home and the seizure of his farm. 01:34:52:24 - 01:34:57:22 Speaker 1 What was the the prosecution were the charges and what was supporting their case? 01:34:57:23 - 01:35:25:20 Speaker 2 It was contempt of court for refusing to follow the consent decree that he had been trapped into signing by a prior, you know, and a prior attorney. Again, this is where I'd say informed consent. He did not fully grasp what he was signing when he was agreeing to the terms the USDA wanted him to operate under. 01:35:25:22 - 01:35:48:20 Speaker 2 So what I realized was this wasn't a legal case. This was a political case. These agencies needed a fall man. And the perfect guy for that is an Amish farmer. Why? If you want to set a legal precedent. 01:35:48:22 - 01:36:13:15 Speaker 2 The Amish are a great group to choose. They are naive to the legal system. They do not interact with it more than they are forced to according to their religious doctrine. Their religious doctrine is that you cannot sue another person. You cannot pursue legal action against another person. You stay out of the legal system unless you're dragged into it. 01:36:13:17 - 01:36:35:01 Speaker 2 So if you want to set a legal precedent, the Amish or your perfect target, because what is the main tool in the legal system that is used to say, no, don't step on me. Stay away. You cannot do this. It's a civil rights lawsuit back, and the Amish cannot do that. It is a fight with your hands tied behind your back. 01:36:35:02 - 01:36:44:02 Speaker 1 Now, my conspiratorial mind also says there's other precedents involved here, because there's a certain degree of like they act as a control group on American society. 01:36:44:02 - 01:37:00:00 Speaker 2 I've written about this, actually, on my Substack and for the Brownstone Institute, I believe I believe I published there as well. And they are a control group in so many ways. They opt out of the mainstream health system. They opt out of the. 01:37:00:02 - 01:37:17:14 Speaker 2 Big tech, they opt out of the public school system. They opt out of so many of the ills of modern life. Now, not all of them opt out of the big food. Unfortunately, many of them are eating at least as bad as the American diet, but there's a significant portion of them that do not. 01:37:17:16 - 01:37:19:17 Speaker 1 They're not vaccinated. Correct. 01:37:19:19 - 01:37:41:13 Speaker 2 There are some that are, but at a far, far lower level than there are decentralized church. So each church makes their own decisions there. There is no Amish pope. So some, some, some areas will. And you can also be able to confuse the Mennonites and the Amish. But there are there are some that do vaccinate, but it's a far lower level and many believe it should not happen at all. 01:37:41:13 - 01:38:13:05 Speaker 1 So let me ask you a question then. It exists. If we wanted to do the study, if we wanted to understand what the long term impacts of lifestyle or a vaccinated population, we have the sitting control group. Right? Because the Psyop that has been inflicted upon all of us since birth was vaccinations are necessary, right? They are the the pinnacle of public health. 01:38:13:07 - 01:38:21:01 Speaker 1 I think the public health authorities are pretty much built upon this vaccination science or this idea. 01:38:21:03 - 01:38:22:04 Speaker 2 Vaccination religion. 01:38:22:05 - 01:38:37:10 Speaker 1 Yeah. And so we believe that we would be like the erratic or the eradicated certain diseases. And, you know, our lifespan would probably be like 50 if we didn't have these, these vaccines. Right? Because that's what you're told. 01:38:37:11 - 01:38:57:24 Speaker 2 Right, right. I mean, this is interesting because across both the public health, the public health system, they tend to say we have a problem. The answer isn't become cleaner, it's add more chemicals. So in the case of of the change in. 01:38:58:01 - 01:39:23:05 Speaker 2 The rate of diseases that we are told or because of vaccines, if you look at at the the changes in public hygiene that happened at the same time, people not drinking contaminated well water, people not living in, you know, in filth in compressed areas, people having access to clean drinking water, getting out of the factories, being out in the sun, children not being in the factories as well. 01:39:23:07 - 01:39:54:06 Speaker 2 Those are much stronger candidates for the excellent changes in public health that are contributed, that are, that are attributed to to vaccines. But this comes down to the food supply, too, because their answer to Upton Sinclair's what absence and identified which is filthy mega factories producing contaminated food isn't clean up the factory, clean up the process, provide you with clean food. 01:39:54:06 - 01:40:16:23 Speaker 2 It's add more chemicals to the dirty food to kill off the things that we deem to be dirty. This is what they do to water. So they do this to to water, to right the water in that that is coming in in many city water supplies is just hit with more chemicals to cover up the bacteria in it. 01:40:17:00 - 01:40:36:06 Speaker 2 But that does nothing about the pharmaceuticals and these other chemicals that are in it. This is done with milk to their answer isn't cleaner, it's just add heat. It's it's like this will grow some people out, but it's completely legal to have a certain amount of, of of pus in milk. You just have to heat the milk and then it's fine. 01:40:36:08 - 01:41:01:10 Speaker 2 So you can have milk coming from very sick cows into the, into the milk supply. But as long as it's heated, you're fine. When the real answer is have these animals living in alignment with the way that they were designed to live out on pasture, in clean air, with with the grass, the sunshine and the clean water that they need? 01:41:01:12 - 01:41:23:11 Speaker 2 Have them come into a milking barn that is small and clean, have them milked with clean equipment. It doesn't need to be doused in chemicals, it just needs to be cleaned with hydrogen peroxide and then have that milk drunk by people who are local within the next few days. That just came from the milk, from a few cows going to a few people. 01:41:23:11 - 01:41:44:22 Speaker 2 That's a very safe system, and that's what we lived with for the majority of human history. The reason that raw milk is so threatening to the regulators is that the regulators are controlled by the big producers. The reason that raw milk is so threatening to the big producers is because they cannot safely produce raw milk. How is their system set up? 01:41:44:24 - 01:42:12:10 Speaker 2 You have industrial, industrial level of cattle. They're not out in pastor. They're in confinement dairies. They are not healthy. They're not getting the sunshine that they necessarily need. In some cases they may be out in grass, but they're then you have the milk of maybe 10,000 cows going into a bunch of these, you know, these trucks you see going down the highway that have a huge tank on the back. 01:42:12:12 - 01:42:33:11 Speaker 2 That's not the milk of 30 cows. That's the milk of 10,000 cows all mixed together. If you had one cow that's sick, you know, that's now contaminated all of it, then that milk is trucked a thousand miles to a mega plant where it's mixed with the milk of tens of thousands of other cows. Then it's heated, which kills off all the everything that was beneficial, as well as anything that was pathogenic from that process. 01:42:33:13 - 01:42:51:08 Speaker 2 Then it's put into bottles and then it's shipped out all over the country and it may be drunk weeks later. What you have there is a dead product. It's white. It looks like milk. It's not. It's a dead product. It's missing everything. That is the life force that was in it when it came out of the cow. 01:42:51:09 - 01:43:25:01 Speaker 1 And walk around American streets. Look at how many people looked at, let me jump in here because it occurred to me that when you experienced that psilocybin journey in a sensory deprivation tank, that you experienced God not as a judgmental man with a beard, but almost like a love energy, a creator of everything. All life was God. 01:43:25:06 - 01:43:44:23 Speaker 1 And it occurs to me that we're in a system that is attempting to kill off life. And since we are life, and life exists within our bodies, when you kill off that life and the life with our bodies, you get sicker and you get more disconnected from that life force. 01:43:44:24 - 01:44:06:15 Speaker 2 This is so true. It's so true. I remember reading a book. It was around the same time that I had the, you know, that it's awakening, about how I think it was made, even called connected, but it was about the microbiome and the how the vast majority of the cells in our body aren't our own DNA. There are other might. 01:44:06:16 - 01:44:32:16 Speaker 2 They're microbes that we need to live. They are helping us eat, to digest our food. They are living on our skin. We depend on them. It's a symbiotic relationship. And we become so blind to this that we think we are at war with nature, when in reality we need to align with nature and live in a in a harmonic way, in harmony with it. 01:44:32:16 - 01:44:56:23 Speaker 2 And raw milk, produced properly isn't on an industrial scale. Why? Because animals aren't supposed to live that way. They're supposed to live in small herds with their friends, out on grass, in the sunshine, with clean water, where their calves get the milk they need and they can give the rest to you. And milk produced that way comes from healthier animals. 01:44:56:23 - 01:45:06:17 Speaker 2 It is healthier, and then it's not trucked across the entire country necessarily. I mean, it could be, but it would have to go directly there or not. Through a mega processing plant. 01:45:06:19 - 01:45:31:13 Speaker 1 I heard a story of farmer, you know, talking about the experience of their cows. When? When like the winter, the winter kind of ends. Right? And they become exposed to the fresh new grass. You're shaking your head. Yes. Like you've heard stories. 01:45:31:14 - 01:45:32:17 Speaker 2 I've actually seen this happen. 01:45:32:18 - 01:45:33:18 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Go ahead. 01:45:33:19 - 01:45:55:01 Speaker 2 So you watch these. You know, we we think of we make this huge mistake of thinking of biological beings as being like machines. Cows are sweet creatures. You watch them go out and grasp for the first time in the spring. And it's like watching three year olds who are going outside to play for the first time in hours. 01:45:55:02 - 01:46:28:12 Speaker 2 Right there. They start jumping, they kick their back legs. They're literally frolicking because they're so excited to be in the grass. You will never convince me animals don't have souls, don't have personalities, don't have consciousness, you know, just as humans do. And that means think of all the animals that never have that, that are just in industrial feedlots, that are crammed together, that don't, aren't living the way that they were designed to live. 01:46:28:14 - 01:46:43:02 Speaker 2 I don't believe for a moment that anything that comes from that animal will be as healthy and good for your body is what comes from an animal that has lived a happy life. 01:46:43:04 - 01:46:46:21 Speaker 1 So I think we understand. 01:46:46:23 - 01:46:50:04 Speaker 1 At a. 01:46:50:06 - 01:47:02:12 Speaker 1 And a more connected and spiritual level why this case is so important. What's what's next? Tell me what what happened. I know this this case was in the national media for quite some time. Sure. Yeah. 01:47:02:13 - 01:47:32:06 Speaker 2 So I knew this was a political case. And one of the reasons I chose Robert Barnes was that he is an excellent at bringing political pressure and political attention to a case rather than just lying in court. And that light had to be shined on this situation for there to be any pressure to do the right thing. In the end, because Amos had signed a consent decree, it locked him into no longer being able to process his own beef, pork and chicken. 01:47:32:08 - 01:47:54:11 Speaker 2 So he didn't have informed consent. But, you know, that was something he had signed. If he hadn't signed that, we would have had a much better shot. As it was, he was no. He had to send that meat out to be processed, but was allowed to start at least selling that meet again to his the meat that he raised himself and sent to a USDA processor. 01:47:54:12 - 01:48:14:23 Speaker 2 He was allowed to start selling that to his customers again. They had forbidden that. But they always had an eye on him for his dairy. The greatest lie ever told about Amos Miller was that he had killed someone with listeria in 2015 or 16, I believe it was. And if you made the national news, if you look him up, you will find that case. 01:48:14:24 - 01:48:31:02 Speaker 1 I should intervene here because when I was doing research on you for this particular podcast and I used AI, AI wanted to focus on a woman in Florida who died because of a miss Miller's food. 01:48:31:04 - 01:49:01:12 Speaker 2 Yeah. So when I came in to help him, that was still the known story. But I just had a strong feeling there was more to that story. So I started looking into it, and the first thing that was strange was I found out that there was an affidavit from her family members that stated she had never consumed his milk, and that she had actually died of advanced lymphoma, that she had been in their house for three weeks before she died of an advanced lymphoma. 01:49:01:14 - 01:49:11:05 Speaker 2 She had not consumed the product while she was there, but they had. So that's all this is already getting. Seeming a little strange that she then died from his products. 01:49:11:07 - 01:49:14:06 Speaker 1 Sounds like it sounds like a John Grisham novel. Yeah. 01:49:14:09 - 01:49:18:24 Speaker 2 It's just it was. Yeah, it was the most bizarre thing. So I mean, it was literally like. 01:49:19:01 - 01:49:31:03 Speaker 1 But it's not, it's not really a bizarre, but let's, let's face it, because, you know, people listen to this and they said there's always got to be more to the story because there's no way a prosecutor. 01:49:31:08 - 01:49:32:21 Speaker 2 Oh yes, there. 01:49:32:21 - 01:49:34:24 Speaker 1 Is would lie. Doctor. 01:49:34:24 - 01:49:53:15 Speaker 2 Can you find out the degree to which they lied? It gets worse. Okay. So we now realize we have this. We have an affidavit for this. This woman did not consume the food. Well, maybe she snuck to the fridge one day and consumed it. Who knows? Even though she was basically not eating at all because she was dying of cancer. 01:49:53:17 - 01:50:18:09 Speaker 2 Kept digging. And this is what we discovered. The sample taken from her for listeria was taken months before she moved into that family's home. She lived 500 miles away when that sample was taken, so there was no way she could have possibly been exposed to his food. 01:50:18:11 - 01:50:39:08 Speaker 2 How could she have? Her family was not yet ordering it. They lived 500 miles away and she never consumed it or knew of raw, you know, had any exposure to raw milk. She she did have listeria due to probably the chemotherapy that she was on weakening her immune system, but it could not possibly have been pinned on Amos Miller. 01:50:39:09 - 01:50:58:16 Speaker 2 They had to have known this the entire time, because they knew she arrived to her family in the fall, and they knew the sample came from June. They lied. They lied to the public, they lied to the prosecutors, they lied to everyone. And that the prosecutors did their job at all. And I believe they did. They would have known this too. 01:50:58:18 - 01:51:26:07 Speaker 2 So why did this happen? You go back to the fact that the Weston A Price Foundation did something that really upset the FDA and the CDC. They asked for all the data on all diseases attributed to pasteurized milk, all diseases attributed to unpasteurized milk, and all the other foods to look at the data and see it's the level of alarm we're having about raw milk. 01:51:26:09 - 01:51:52:04 Speaker 2 Legitimate. And what they learned was no one had. There was no one in the data who had died from listeria associated with raw milk. You're 30 times more likely to get sick from cantaloupe, 30 times more likely to get sick from. Have we made it legal to eat rock antelope? Have we made it so that you can only have pasteurized oysters. 01:51:52:05 - 01:52:12:07 Speaker 1 And not I? Go step further. I get informed consent on Roy Roy raw and any type of uncooked food. Right. Like you see it on the menu, right? Right. And we don't even receive that in our medical centers when it comes to the drugs that they want to give our children or the vaccines, they want to be part of the schedule. 01:52:12:07 - 01:52:16:13 Speaker 1 You get none of that. But if you go into a restaurant, they tell you about consuming raw. 01:52:16:14 - 01:52:33:09 Speaker 2 Exactly. So the West Price Foundation got this data and published it and said, look, this is these fears are way overblown. No one, no one has ever died of listeria. Right after that, the the government decides to raid a Western a Price Foundation conference, and I'll get into who they are in a second because it's worth knowing about this org. 01:52:33:10 - 01:53:09:11 Speaker 2 They're great. They raised a Western Price Foundation conference where they know raw milk samples are being handed out, and they sees a raw milk sample at this conference that sample they sees as Amos Millers. And you will never convince me that that raid was not done in revenge for the Western price foundations, publicizing the fact that they were overflowing the risk of Listeria and other supposed pathogens right in in raw milk so that they took that that sample from from Amos Miller's food at that conference. 01:53:09:13 - 01:53:37:13 Speaker 2 They put it in their database. They did alleged whole genome sequencing, matching it to this woman who died, a sample they found in their database. They said it was it was similar enough to her sample. And they also claimed that there was a man in California who had gotten sick, who had had been a customer of Amos Millers, and that he had gotten sick from it, and and that their whole genome sequencing matched it to an Amos product. 01:53:37:15 - 01:53:56:23 Speaker 2 Well, as you now know, the woman, the woman in Florida who died never consumed his products and got sick, and the sample was taken from her from her months before she was even within 500 miles of an Amos Miller product. So that right there is a blatant bald faced, an intentional lie on the part of the government agencies. 01:53:56:24 - 01:54:32:19 Speaker 2 In the case of the the man in California who was a known known customer of his, remember, you are far more likely to have gotten sick from any of, you know, to get listeria from any of these other sources. We analyzed the the sequence ourselves, had our own experts analyze it, and found a far, far closer match to a pasteurized cheese known Listeria outbreak in California, where this man lived as being a very close, a much, much closer match to the listeria strain that was taken from his body. 01:54:32:21 - 01:54:46:07 Speaker 2 If we can find that, they can too. Why didn't they? And this is where you have to get down to the fact that this is not necessarily well intentioned at all. 01:54:46:09 - 01:55:22:01 Speaker 1 I always ask that question, you know, to physicians, to people in authority, if I can find this information, why don't you? And I think you answered that with the Upton Sinclair quote, but I, I said before, I mean, this is spiritual, this is dark. It's an anti-life agenda. When you are prosecuting those who are trying to distribute the medicine, not the ones that work against our bodies, the ones that work with our bodies. 01:55:22:01 - 01:55:56:06 Speaker 1 And you're going to try to convince me that that is not anti-God and tied life. That's not spiritual. There's not a darkness behind it. Right? We have been so disconnected from the spiritual, we think that we're all that exists, right? All we see is physical. This is a very small percentage of actual reality, and we are naive to all the spiritual forces, the genetic or the energetic aspects of our physical reality. 01:55:56:08 - 01:56:24:02 Speaker 2 The you know, when people when people talk about like, well, maybe, maybe there are microbes on these, on this, maybe, maybe this, this, you know, maybe we should be spraying it. What you should really be looking at is, is the farmer who's who's whose meat is only getting grass fed in the sunshine really the problem, or do you have any idea what the rest of your the meat that you get in the grocery store, what's inside that? 01:56:24:02 - 01:56:34:01 Speaker 2 Sure. It's been sprayed with a chemical and it may have a lower bacterial count. I'll actually challenge that to that. It does. But. 01:56:34:03 - 01:56:39:19 Speaker 2 What did that meat actually eat? And there's a great book by my friend John Skeleton. 01:56:39:20 - 01:56:41:06 Speaker 1 What did the the cow eat? 01:56:41:07 - 01:57:07:07 Speaker 2 What did the. Yeah. What did the cow eat that is in the meat that you're eating? Yeah. So there's a great book by my friend Joel Salatin called everything I Want to Do Is Illegal. And it's the perspective of a small farmer dealing with these agencies who stop you at every turn. And he'll very happily tell you that a lot of these farms are feeding literal trash and feces to their cows. 01:57:07:09 - 01:57:27:24 Speaker 2 Cows can be fed chicken manure because it has a high enough protein content. Think how desperate that cow has got to be, by the way, for it to to to agree to eat that others are being fed. Things like. 01:57:28:01 - 01:57:30:24 Speaker 2 Candy that didn't sell. That's ground up with the wrapper on it. 01:57:30:24 - 01:57:32:07 Speaker 1 They're literally full of shit. 01:57:32:09 - 01:57:34:16 Speaker 2 Yeah. It's I mean and it's there are. 01:57:34:17 - 01:57:42:16 Speaker 1 Which is, which is like the the narrative will say, you are right. Like when you when you start sending this kind of evidence against the narrative. 01:57:42:17 - 01:58:03:04 Speaker 2 Exactly. And go, you know, I would recommend anyone who's interested in this, go read, go read. Everything I want to do is Illegal by Joel Joel Saladin. Watch. You know, there's some excellent documentaries where they they will show these these scientists with a cow with the stomach opened. This poor cow is there, the stomach open. And there they're watching how it can digest all these different things. 01:58:03:04 - 01:58:25:05 Speaker 2 And it's. Well, they're managing to break it down. So this is fine. That is fine. Remember, think about the fact we live in a we live in a food system where feeding a cow garbage and feces is fine as long as you then coat their meat with enough chemicals that we think the bacteria count is low enough. But feed a cow, right? 01:58:25:06 - 01:58:42:10 Speaker 2 Feed it nothing but organic grass. Have it out in the sunshine and have it process where it's the only cow processed in a day in a clean facility. And that meat is then is then distributed to customers and its bacteria count isn't high. And even if it was, they're going to either cook it or if they don't, that's their informed choice. 01:58:42:12 - 01:58:46:09 Speaker 2 That's the that's the person we're targeting. 01:58:46:11 - 01:58:48:05 Speaker 1 What happened with this case. 01:58:48:07 - 01:58:58:01 Speaker 2 So the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture went ahead and rated him as well in 20th January fourth, 2024. 01:58:58:02 - 01:59:08:09 Speaker 1 What does a raid look like? Obviously, these are probably people in, you know, shirt and ties. They work for the Department of Agriculture. They come in. 01:59:08:12 - 01:59:31:03 Speaker 2 I wasn't present at the at the armed federal agency. Armed in the case of the the raid where he was. So there was a there was a raid on him by armed U.S. marshals when he was not complying with the USDA. And that was in I believe it was maybe March of 2022. I was not involved yet when that occurred. 01:59:31:04 - 01:59:31:18 Speaker 1 Okay. 01:59:31:19 - 02:00:06:13 Speaker 2 But when I was I was present when he was raided on January 4th, 2024, and I managed to get some local independent media on site to start filming. What was happening? Agents were agents showed up with police escort and demanded entry. They claimed that two two kids or two people had gotten sick with coli. There's there's dispute over whether that happened, and I can get into why them just claiming this happened doesn't necessarily mean that it that it occurred, but that was their claim. 02:00:06:14 - 02:00:35:12 Speaker 2 So they came in, they arrested all his food, which is a thing you can apparently do. Stick a sticker on the door saying all this food is arrested. They're actually required to put a sticker on every single item. But they were too lazy to do that, so they stuck at sticker on a few items, then stuck a sticker on the door, said everything's arrested, and they then told him to ask him to voluntarily stop selling any food, selling any dairy, so they could test it to see if they could find pathogens in it. 02:00:35:14 - 02:00:52:24 Speaker 2 He did voluntarily stop while they could do some testing. What they then did was they went to the court in what was called an ex parte filing, which means they don't. They do it in secret, behind closed doors where the defense does not know it occur. 02:00:53:01 - 02:00:54:14 Speaker 1 It has that legal. 02:00:54:16 - 02:01:27:15 Speaker 2 Great question, but it is so. The standards for it is that it has to be such a high risk, such an emergency situation, that the court should put a preliminary injunction in place before the defense even knows that it's an issue. And what they insinuated to the court was that he was was that it was it was it was an emergency because he was still selling food and could could hurt other people, knowing full well that he had stopped selling it voluntarily for, you know, during this, this time to allow for an investigation. 02:01:27:17 - 02:01:48:01 Speaker 2 So again, they were lying. And so now his customers all over the country, he has what are called food clubs, where people all over the country buy food from him. And then he, he and his his employees package it, stick it in a refrigerated truck. It drives overnight to a place that people come. They get their box and they take it home. 02:01:48:03 - 02:02:09:02 Speaker 2 That's inconvenience, not cheaper than the grocery store. And it's inconvenient enough. You got to be trying to get it. If you were to get sick, you'd know exactly what what farm was responsible. Right. And I want to just take a little sidebar here when they claim someone got sick, here are some of the ways that they can fudge that data one. 02:02:09:04 - 02:02:20:15 Speaker 2 You got sick and you drank raw milk does not mean that you got sick from the raw milk. Did you have did you have cantaloupe? Did you have spinach? Did you have, dairy, a pasteurized dairy that was infected? Did you have any of these other things? 02:02:20:16 - 02:02:21:21 Speaker 1 People get sick all the time. 02:02:21:22 - 02:02:34:13 Speaker 2 Exactly. So what they will then do is one of the first questions they ask was, have you consumed raw milk recently? That's one of the key questions they ask you. And if they have, they will test the container that you have in your fridge. 02:02:34:14 - 02:02:36:12 Speaker 1 Never asked if you got a flu vaccine or anything. 02:02:36:12 - 02:02:55:06 Speaker 2 No, that somehow doesn't come up. So they'll test your container in the fridge. They're not testing your cantaloupe or your spinach. They're not testing the oysters that you got at a restaurant recently. They're not testing any of that. They're just going to test your raw milk product because in their minds, that's a culprit. Now let's say you are actively sick. 02:02:55:08 - 02:03:12:24 Speaker 2 How many of us go to the fridge and just drink our our milk straight out of the carton? I will admit that I do like if I had a if I had a milk, I just want some. I go drink it. So let's say you actively are really ill. You are infected with something and you and you went and drank it. 02:03:13:00 - 02:03:30:16 Speaker 2 Okay, now you've put that into the container. They will not consider that as possible method. They should be going back and testing something from the same batch. They don't do that. They just test the container you drank out of. So you're already getting false positives there, but they're not testing anything else. If they decide raw milk is the culprit, they're not going to test anything else in your life. 02:03:30:16 - 02:03:32:23 Speaker 2 So there's a lot of false positives that likely occur. 02:03:32:23 - 02:03:44:13 Speaker 1 That it almost sounds like they want to eliminate the most, that most healthy, the most bioavailable, most nutritious foods. 02:03:44:15 - 02:03:45:03 Speaker 2 That that. 02:03:45:04 - 02:03:45:22 Speaker 1 And. 02:03:45:24 - 02:03:46:14 Speaker 2 Is the case. 02:03:46:15 - 02:03:57:12 Speaker 1 Yeah, they they want to be able to eliminate it if not first through social engineering and propaganda. They want to make it as difficult as possible for you to obtain it. 02:03:57:13 - 02:04:05:18 Speaker 2 Well, and the other crazy part is, the more fat it has in it, the less likely it is to have any, any pathogen. 02:04:05:18 - 02:04:13:18 Speaker 1 So this this is a whole nother podcast on the on the fat free craze and push and the throughout our country.. 02:04:13:19 - 02:04:25:17 Speaker 2 Here in Pennsylvania, raw milk under certain circumstances is legal but rock fear raw yogurt, raw heavy cream and rob butter are not. 02:04:25:18 - 02:04:26:20 Speaker 1 Because that makes sense. 02:04:26:21 - 02:04:27:04 Speaker 2 Yeah. 02:04:27:05 - 02:04:28:13 Speaker 1 I mean that's extremely logical. 02:04:28:13 - 02:04:51:16 Speaker 2 And that's it's it's simply the the swipe of a pen by the ag secretary is the reason that is the case. The what's funny about that is that the least likely thing to have any pathogen in it wouldn't be the butter because it's just butter fat. The higher the butter and the more something is fermented, the less likely it is to have an issue. 02:04:51:17 - 02:04:55:22 Speaker 2 So all the fermented products and all the high fat content products are illegal. 02:04:55:23 - 02:05:29:14 Speaker 1 Also, a little side by bar here. I've consulted with physicians who are in this alternative space, right, who are treating patients who have been dependent on psychiatric drugs or trying to heal their body from that, as well as exposure to other toxins. And since I can't speak out of line because I'm just a lowly clinical psychologist who can't read, these doctors have told me, right, that there's a couple things that act on the body to allow to expel some of these toxins. 02:05:29:14 - 02:06:03:07 Speaker 1 Right? Like right now we're drinking out of plastics. Don't like to do this. But, you know, if convenience we are exposed to these some of these, these chemicals, right, that are not good for the human body. But fat and fermented foods help detox us from the damage that we do. Right? And they make it illegal for us to use the foods that are going to help detox from the poison that they mandate on our culture. 02:06:03:09 - 02:06:11:04 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's baffling at best. So. So in Amos's case. 02:06:11:06 - 02:06:15:17 Speaker 1 Can I make a statement here because I. 02:06:15:19 - 02:06:43:07 Speaker 1 I just like to use the reason and logic and it's my biggest flaw. We have this we have this system where, our entertainment is our political system that we pit the Democrats and the Republicans against us, like, so in some degrees, it's almost like those who enslave us with the laws, right? We will argue over who the better slave owner is, right? 02:06:43:09 - 02:06:59:06 Speaker 1 And think that if our slave owner is in office, then we're not going to be poisoned. We're going to be more free. You know, we're going to solve all the problems that. They that they created, right? We are insane. 02:06:59:08 - 02:07:08:08 Speaker 2 Yeah. It's, I no longer believe the political solution is ever going to be the solution to anything. That's another. That's another story for another time. 02:07:08:12 - 02:07:11:23 Speaker 1 That is another thing. I just wanted to point out the irony. 02:07:12:00 - 02:07:38:05 Speaker 2 So in Amos's case, they they shut him down. And now there were customers of his all over the country who needed his food for for their health, who had, you know, who were seeking it out, inconveniently because they were getting sick, eating grocery store food and they could no longer get it. And they had put this preliminary injunction on him that he could not sell it before he had any chance to present any evidence of any kind. 02:07:38:06 - 02:07:59:22 Speaker 2 And that preliminary injunction could have gone on for years. So we had a hearing coming up to try to get that preliminary injunction lifted, and I found customers of his. I asked them to reach out to me and tell me why they needed the food, and if they had medical records backing it up. And I found some really interesting cases. 02:07:59:24 - 02:08:23:02 Speaker 2 I found a woman with mast cell activation syndrome who was essentially housebound because she had anaphylactic reactions to almost everything, and she was using unpasteurized colostrum from his cows to manage it when nothing else would manage her illness. And when she lost access to it, it was life threatening for her. Now that's an illegal product. Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. 02:08:23:02 - 02:08:56:09 Speaker 2 Even if Amos was fully in compliance in every way, he would not be allowed to sell that product that this woman depended on to live. And then there was a woman in Florida. Lovely lady. I actually got to know her after this sweet person. And she had ulcerative colitis so severe that her her colon was becoming necrotic. She was put on a drug, a standard treatment for this that caused her to start to go into liver failure. 02:08:56:11 - 02:09:27:06 Speaker 2 And she had then. So this is, you know, a year or two before this. She then found out about Amos's food and learned that some people tried treating this with rocky fear instead. Again, a product that even if Amos was fully in compliance, the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture would not allow him to make. So she started buying the this rock of fear from him and consuming it, and she was able to get off the drug that was causing her to have liver failure. 02:09:27:08 - 02:09:30:11 Speaker 2 We had. 02:09:30:13 - 02:09:50:05 Speaker 2 Prior colonoscopy records and colonoscopy records after she started consuming his food, and they were night and day different. We had all the doctor records backing this up. Okay, well, maybe there was some other factor contributing to this. No. After he was shut down and she could no longer get the food from him, she had to go back on that drug. 02:09:50:07 - 02:10:17:15 Speaker 2 Her liver started to fail again, and she had another colonoscopy showing the disease was coming back. So the rock of fear for her was a treatment far superior in its effect on her colon to the standard pharmaceutical treatment. And it wasn't killing her liver in the process. So the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture had declared themselves the judge, jury and executioner for this woman and for the woman with mast cell activation syndrome. 02:10:17:15 - 02:10:31:22 Speaker 2 And we presented all of this to the judge and said, is it fair for these, for these women to be deprived of this? What for them is a life? 02:10:31:24 - 02:10:52:19 Speaker 2 Is required for the maintenance of their lives, so they do not die? Is it fair to deprive them of that on the basis of a preliminary injunction, before any evidence has been presented? That could go on for years? And thank goodness the judge was able to hear that. And he came to a decision that is potentially a huge win in this case. 02:10:52:20 - 02:11:20:01 Speaker 2 The case is ongoing. But what he said was that the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture does not have a right with before any evidence is presented to shut down Amos's right to sell food outside of Pennsylvania. So the judge kept in place that he could not sell dairy products to Pennsylvanians, but not to people outside the state. And that is a Commerce Clause ruling for the nerds out there who also may or may not have law degrees. 02:11:20:03 - 02:11:41:20 Speaker 2 It was and it was, but it was a a game changer. So as it stands, Amos, they still want to shut Amos down the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. He still is facing a trial at some point in the future. But what they lost was putting him out of business without a trial ever happening. Because this is now we're two and a half years after that raid. 02:11:41:22 - 02:12:05:21 Speaker 2 They what they wanted was that preliminary injunction with no evidence presented to be in place still today. Would he still be in business two and a half years after they had forbidden him to sell his products? Obviously not. And so that is that is where there it's a very dirty legal trick to destroy him and to destroy a farm before they've ever had a chance to, to bring any evidence in court. 02:12:05:21 - 02:12:30:01 Speaker 2 And that is what I believe they they anticipated happening. And he's he's far from the only farmer. I worked with other farmers who were going through similar things. There is a war on these small farms. And the other piece that people don't think about is, why would the big dairy producers hate this so much, the raw milk. It's not just that they cannot safely produce raw milk themselves. 02:12:30:03 - 02:12:51:13 Speaker 2 If you're a small farm, your only option if you're not a raw milk farm, is to sell your milk to a large dairy co-op, which is a nice word for being a feudal serf of a mega corporation. And they there is a mandated amount that they will buy your milk from, and it's often $1.15, maybe $2 a gallon. 02:12:51:15 - 02:13:03:17 Speaker 2 You you can sustain, you know, you can sustain maybe just above poverty level. As a farmer, many, many of these farms are going out of business in Pennsylvania. I think 60% of dairy farms have shut down in the last 15 years. 02:13:03:18 - 02:13:20:11 Speaker 1 But I have a question, because when I went to public school, they told me we were in a free market, capitalistic system, and it was and a democratic system as well, a constitutional republic. 02:13:20:13 - 02:13:35:21 Speaker 2 Yeah. That might be one of the reasons I have a problem with the public school system as well, because it turns out that, what you learn isn't necessarily what's actually happening. We know we live in an oligopoly or an oligarchy, and that is that is run by bureaucrat. And so. 02:13:35:22 - 02:13:48:08 Speaker 1 But clearly, clearly, if, if, if the price is being controlled by the US government. Right. You're how is that different from a Soviet system. 02:13:48:11 - 02:14:07:03 Speaker 2 It's not. And in the case of the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, the agriculture secretary is the co-owner of one of these large dairy co-ops where he is personally financially benefits from raw milk farming. Not being a great. 02:14:07:04 - 02:14:12:23 Speaker 1 I thought that was restricted to the FDA. I thought they were they were the only ones who could have those conflicts of interest. 02:14:12:24 - 02:14:35:21 Speaker 2 No, no, it can sustain. It comes down to the state level as well. And so if you're a small dairy farmer, if raw milk is perfectly allowable, you can get your neighbors to pay up to $16 a gallon for your milk. If you are farming in a way that is organic, good for the environment, healthy. 02:14:35:22 - 02:15:07:11 Speaker 1 Can I intervene with more PsyOps? Right. We've been so conditioned, enslaved that we think we'll fight for quote unquote good health care, right, that we'll still pay deductibles thousands, three, five, 10,000 deduct deductibles for this health care system when and they will not you will not invest in food as medicine that will prevent you from ever having to use that health care system you're going to. 02:15:07:13 - 02:15:35:09 Speaker 1 The US population is being indebted by health care costs, and they think it should be some human right that you have health care, health insurance. When you're not focused on the fact that your body can heal. If you treat your body with real medicine, where are you investing your finances? Americans? Listen, this is not going to be a podcast that in any way is blaming the victim. 02:15:35:09 - 02:16:13:10 Speaker 1 Since we've distributed wealth to such an extent that 1% hold the majority of wealth, but the wealth that we do have, right? We do and have been enslaved to put that money, that finite resource into things that aren't going to yield any productive investment or return on investment to our own health and well-being. Right. So you just look at the money that goes into our cell phones, into our technology, into our entertainment, and into our other materials that we try to produce, like new clothing constantly to be in fashion into a certain type of car that we want to buy. 02:16:13:16 - 02:16:30:15 Speaker 1 You know, whatever it is about that fake presentation that put out to the world that we are rich, right? What actually makes a person rich is their health. The most important aspect of this. And we don't invest in our health and and we pay for. 02:16:30:15 - 02:16:30:24 Speaker 2 It. 02:16:31:00 - 02:16:39:15 Speaker 1 Exactly down the line and definitely the second half of your life. But you're seeing that's creeping down lower and lower and lower that younger people are sick now. 02:16:39:17 - 02:16:50:13 Speaker 2 It's so true. I mean, when people say like, it seems really expensive to eat healthy. Yeah, but how much are you losing a in quality of life and in straight dollar value. 02:16:50:15 - 02:17:16:21 Speaker 1 And there's economics around this too. We that's a lie. You know for we've you know, we've been taught that, you know health is eating three meals a day and two snacks. That's not how human bodies flourish. Number one, like the body needs a break from digestion. So when you start to eat the nutrient dense, bio available foods that are heavy and fat, what is the what happens then? 02:17:16:23 - 02:17:24:05 Speaker 1 Because I know that in order for you to heal your body, you got to move to a specific diet. What happens when you start ingesting more fat? 02:17:24:07 - 02:17:37:04 Speaker 2 It can be there can be a an adjustment period for your body to that, but ultimately your body runs far more efficiently. And I eat maybe twice a day. 02:17:37:05 - 02:17:37:17 Speaker 1 Yeah. 02:17:37:21 - 02:17:53:05 Speaker 2 I will sometimes eat just once a day, and I only eat when I become hungry. And the rest of the time my body is operating incredibly well because it's not focusing all its energy on digestion, on training digest things that it wasn't designed to digest. 02:17:53:06 - 02:18:17:17 Speaker 1 People don't even understand hunger cues anymore, because what they are responding to is either a blood sugar drop because of the overreliance on sugars and carbs, often synthetic, and the bioengineered food that's acting on the brain that gives you a quick dopamine hit, right? And a little bit of a high, and then you feel like shit, like an hour or two later and you think you're hungry again, and then you need that food again. 02:18:17:21 - 02:18:49:23 Speaker 1 So this is what happens is it's the illusion that, you know, we have this cheap food. But you just, you ingest that, you spend more because you're eating frequently, eating more conveniently, and then you're pay for it on the other end of your life. But when you eat a diet that's natural, like fats, like cream and dairy and grass fed beef, you're satiated and your body is running more efficiently. 02:18:50:00 - 02:19:10:23 Speaker 1 And what happens is, when you eat once or twice a day, you wake up in the morning, you don't need a breakfast because you're not feeling that crash. Your body has gone through the natural fasting that occurred when you were sleeping, but then it continues itself into the day. Before you know it, you've gone a 16 hours without desiring food. 02:19:10:23 - 02:19:33:19 Speaker 1 The American system would say you're doing a specific diet called intermittent fasting. I would say that's you being more aligned with what is naturally occurring. You know, it's just being human. But you've been so conditioned to have to, you know, support like Nabisco and, who's ever creating breakfast cereals? We've become disconnected from the natural rhythms of life. 02:19:33:19 - 02:19:59:10 Speaker 2 Exactly. Yeah. And it's I mean, I've been. I would say I eat around noon and then maybe a smaller meal later in the day. And often those meals are still small. I just eat basically, you know, protein and a lot of fat. And I'm far, far healthier this way. I did want to get back, though, to to just finishing that story on the dairy industry, because I think it's really important people understand this. 02:19:59:12 - 02:20:33:08 Speaker 2 The raw milk revolution is a major threat to industrialized dairies, the mega companies that own them because and the individuals that own them because we have a feudal serfdom system when it comes to dairy, the dairy industry in this country, we have small farms who are whose only option is to sell their milk at set low prices to a conglomerate where it's then pasteurized, bottled, etc.. 02:20:33:10 - 02:20:57:17 Speaker 2 If it was truly if the hurdles were not in place for them to instead choose to farm in full alignment with the land organically where their cows were really well cared for and their neighbors, given the choose to buy the raw milk from them at between 10 and $16 a gallon is typically the going rate. Think how that would be for that farmer. 02:20:57:19 - 02:21:31:04 Speaker 2 You could get $1.15 $2 for a gallon, or you could get 10 to $16 a gallon. It's exiting the slave system of the of the corporate dairy industry. And so the raw milk revolution of selling your milk directly to your neighbor, unpasteurized, made cleanly with informed consent, is a major threat to major corporations. And in the case of the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, Russell Reading, the AG secretary, is the owner of one of these dairy co-ops. 02:21:31:05 - 02:21:55:13 Speaker 2 The co-owner of it that benefits from these farmers not having these raw milk farms. And he's the one who's pen decides that they can't sell raw butter, raw, heavy cream, rock of fear. And you won't convince me that it doesn't occur to him that hundreds of thousands of dollars in his bank account. 02:21:55:15 - 02:21:58:04 Speaker 2 Benefit from him deciding that they can't. 02:21:58:04 - 02:22:02:17 Speaker 1 Sell it. Yeah, I think there was a time that that would be enough for a revolution. Well. 02:22:02:23 - 02:22:09:17 Speaker 2 3% tax on tea caused revolution before. Yeah. We've become so comfortable in our cages. 02:22:09:17 - 02:22:10:23 Speaker 1 We have. 02:22:11:00 - 02:22:25:23 Speaker 2 Our cages of convenience. And I love this line that, you know, sovereignty, privacy, freedom these are all muscles that we need to exercise or they become soft. And convenience is how we become soft. 02:22:25:23 - 02:22:29:06 Speaker 1 And we're soft. Yeah. What's next for you? 02:22:29:08 - 02:22:42:07 Speaker 2 That's a great question. I don't know if. Do I get into that here? Yeah. I'm not sure how I answer that because you know what's next. 02:22:42:09 - 02:22:45:17 Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, maybe now is the time okay. Shouldn't we. Yeah. 02:22:45:17 - 02:22:50:15 Speaker 2 All right. So cut that part and go back to the question. 02:22:50:17 - 02:22:52:17 Speaker 1 What's next for you? 02:22:52:19 - 02:23:14:14 Speaker 2 Well, that's a great question. I've done a lot of work with these these Amish farmers. I did did some other legal work after that protecting other people the US government was going after. But, what I think I'm going to do next is. 02:23:14:15 - 02:23:36:10 Speaker 2 Tell more stories like this, help people find their way out of the cages we're in. Help people see where convenience has made them their own willing jailer. And I think that may best be done through a podcast. 02:23:36:12 - 02:23:49:16 Speaker 1 This is a radically genuine conversation, and you're very radically genuine. But I just a podcast is not enough, right? No it's not. Let's think bigger. 02:23:49:17 - 02:24:12:06 Speaker 2 And in person show on a media platform that is dedicated to bringing light to the darkness and helping people find their own inner compass, their own inner truth, and finding their way to human flourishing and freedom, that's what I want to do next, and that's what I'm going to do next. I think I'm going to do it with you. 02:24:12:08 - 02:24:21:18 Speaker 1 This is our reveal that the radically genuine podcast is evolving. You're probably listening to this around July 4th. 02:24:21:19 - 02:24:56:11 Speaker 2 The 250th anniversary of one of the most powerful documents ever written, where a group of men, risking their lives, decided we are not going to take the convenience of being slaves to a monarchy anymore, and we will risk everything to see a life of true freedom for ourselves, for our children, for our grandchildren. And they wrote one of the most powerful documents in all of human history. 02:24:56:13 - 02:25:16:09 Speaker 2 I challenge anyone if if this year, if you're hearing this around July 4th, go actually read it. Feel the power, the energy behind their words. Consider what these men were risking. They were willing to give everything for freedom, and they believed they would win. And that is why they did. 02:25:16:11 - 02:25:54:14 Speaker 1 Folks, you're listening to my new co-host. We plan on launching this show, God willing, potentially September. So you will continue to hear me. Listen to me up until the launch of this studio show, and there won't be anything like it. To the extent right now that much of the media landscape is still controlled, because this is what happens when you are controlled by advertisers, that when you get too big, then you are subjected to the influence of of government, of narratives. 02:25:54:15 - 02:26:30:01 Speaker 1 We're going to be shining a light on things that you're not aware of, but we're going to move you out of that back to a place where you're going to feel, again, connected to what is your inner compass, what is guiding you that we just became too distracted and to brainwashed to pay attention to? When we talk about a media platform, it's more than just a radically genuine podcast that's important. 02:26:30:03 - 02:27:01:19 Speaker 1 We're going to fly in experts that you never heard of to enter into long form discussions. But then we're going to create short films and documentaries so you can be armed with the information that is outside of the matrix. We're going to push ourselves into the matrix with everything. We have to try to influence that. And trust me, we're all very much controlled by algorithms, financial dollars, large corporations. 02:27:01:21 - 02:27:29:22 Speaker 1 What they are doing is they are creating a story for you to live by. They're using technology to be able to shape that further. They're stealing your data and they are using that for psychological manipulation. Yes. What we're going to do is we're going to help you exit that system, but we're going to return to health, freedom, sovereignty, and to understand that you are a spiritual being and you're not a machine. 02:27:29:23 - 02:28:06:17 Speaker 1 And we are entering into the greatest battle of human history, which is humans versus machines. We're already falling behind in that war because of our supercomputers and our technology and our convenience. And there are people that are running this world who believe they are God. They are transhumanists. They certainly do believe that they can extend lifetime. They can be internal, and they can merge human beings with machines. 02:28:06:17 - 02:28:31:18 Speaker 1 This sounds so dystopian. And I think even five, six years ago I would have sound crazy on this. But this isn't going to be for conspiracy theorists. This is going to be for humanists. Yes, realists. And it's not for those who are afraid. No, this is going to be people who want to live a life of courage and love and purpose. 02:28:31:18 - 02:29:09:12 Speaker 1 And it's a special group. By no means do we believe that we're going to wake up everybody, right? But those who are naturally and spirited and designed to think independently, who love and care for their children, who are acutely aware of the disconnection that we have to each other and to God, will be naturally drawn to region media, and we will become the voice of the awakening. 02:29:09:14 - 02:29:42:06 Speaker 1 I believe that you get a sense of who Tracy is as far as an angel warrior, that we're guided much more here by a spiritual, energetic desire for truth and to support freedom. By no means in any way are we telling you, come follow us. We're opening the door. We're going to give the keys to unlock the prison. 02:29:42:08 - 02:30:02:18 Speaker 1 The door is going to be open. It's kind of the quarry of the cave type scenario. We're going to try to tilt your attention away from the illusion and the entertainment and the poison and say, hey, there's a path here towards freedom. Just follow the light a little bit. We're going there. You can come with us or you don't have to come with us. 02:30:02:18 - 02:30:05:14 Speaker 1 But there is a direction. 02:30:05:18 - 02:30:32:02 Speaker 2 And it's all about finding your own inner compass, finding your own way. I never want anyone to follow me anywhere. I want you to find the compass in your own heart. And find your own way out to freedom. And that deal I made about devoting the rest of my life to do that, to do this for human freedom and flourishing. 02:30:32:04 - 02:30:39:12 Speaker 2 The continuation of this show and Rad Jen Media is the next step in the deal that I made. 02:30:39:14 - 02:30:43:01 Speaker 1 You and I made the same deal, and we ended up in the same place. 02:30:43:02 - 02:30:44:12 Speaker 2 We did. 02:30:44:14 - 02:30:50:05 Speaker 1 I want to thank you, Tracy Thurman, for a radically genuine conversation. 02:30:50:07 - 02:30:56:14 Speaker 2 The first of many.