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Ep. 4 Let's Ask AI · The Group Chat

• Carson: Hey everybody, I'm Carson. Paulina: I'm Paulina. Brandon: I'm Brandon. Carson: Welcome to the group chat. So today we're going to talk about AI. So y'all, when did this kind of take, take, like just take over our lives? Brandon: guess what, ChadGBT became like known to the world in I think it was November 22 when it came out and that's when it came public and that's when everyone took over or started using it and it took over. Carson: Is it really 2022? Seems longer than I thought. I seems like I haven't really been using it that long. Paulina: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. That's the way I feel about it. Brandon: 22. Carson: So that'll be four years this November. That's kinda crazy. I didn't think, yeah, well, I guess chat, so chat was the first, right? Chat GPT was the first mainstream. Yeah, I remember using it at school. Brandon: part of our life. Yeah. I mean, there's always. I know it was definitely here recently. I mean, there's always things that we use without actually knowing it was like a I like Siri. If you had an iPhone like Siri's been around forever, that was a I or anything with translation. That was also. A I. I don't know what else all the recommendations, Netflix, all the algorithms, they're all out there. Carson: True. Paulina: True, but we don't really think about that as AI necessarily. At least in my mind, I don't see that as AI like the Google Translate or Depot or whatever. Like I don't think like, ⁓ that's AI. I think of AI as like chat GPT and Gemini and all of those things. I'm like, ⁓ yeah, that is AI. Brandon: But it is. Carson: Yeah, but definitely the whole training models on information, updating those models, giving them, you know, different ways to think, so to speak. That's, been going on since 2022. Wow. ⁓ blows my mind. I remember probably it wasn't 2022 that I started really using it every day or even every week. It must've been. ⁓ 23, 24, trying to think back now, had to have been maybe mid 2023 that I was using it for, you know, teaching related stuff, just helping with projects, know, getting, you know, adding a little bit of creative input and then seeing how it could expand on my ideas. But not much more than that. Not using it. wasn't using it for much more than that in the beginning. I don't know about you all. Brandon: Same thing, thing around 23, that's when it got into, I started using it more and more. Paulina: Yeah. Yeah, same here. think 2023, 2020, no, 2023 definitely. Same idea for projects, for just double checking if my students didn't use AI to write their papers, those type of things, know? Rather than, I don't know, using it almost like every other day for something, you know? Carson: Sure. Seems like it's our go-to now. Like when I reach for my phone to find the answer to something, and I need it quick, and I need a reliable answer, well, I go to Perplexity. I start talking to it. And pretty trusty. It's pretty fast compared to going to Google ⁓ typing, swiping, hoping to find the right page. ⁓ or hoping the first few results are relevant enough or useful enough. But it's really changed the game. I think we can all agree that our lives are way more productive. ⁓ just have, everybody has their own assistant. It's like you're not alone when you have to plan. It's not alone when you have to evaluate. And so there's really no going back and I wouldn't want to, honestly, I think it. I think it makes life better. know about y'all. I think I see more net positive, of course. Brandon: For now, yes. I don't know. We have to wait and see how it progresses. But for now, I think it is definitely something useful, something that we need. And it's helped me a lot. Definitely a lot of work and everything, just in general. We use it for everything now. It's not just for work. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: Sure. Paulina: Yeah. And it's interesting what you brought up, Carson, that it's you go into, you know, into using AI, but it's like, you don't really necessarily have to look to use AI, especially ⁓ if you use like Google Chrome. don't know what websites you guys use, whatever, but ⁓ platforms, but it automatically gives you AI generated answer. Right. On top of the page, you automatically get like the AI answer. Carson: Mm-hmm. That's true. Paulina: ⁓ and I'm one of those people that I'm a little bit skeptical when it comes to AI answers. within like teaching English field, you know, because it's one thing to teach English based on grammatical structures, right? And from the textbook and some other way that the way that we speak and communicate like our day to day life. and sometimes I see the answer that it gives me and I'm like, Technically, grammatically, sure, yes, but how many people actually use this structure every day? Or how many people do actually use this phrase every day? And that's where I'm sort of like a little bit skeptical because on one hand, yes, it's a good tool and it can tell you the right answer, but you still sometimes need to do that like a little bit of extra research and explanation. because it might not always be 100%. One way I agree with Ben and that definitely has made our life easier. And for example, when I do my definitions for my students, because I do quizzes with my students and so on. And when I do the definitions, obviously it's much easier to take the words, put them into, I don't know, Gemini. I mean like, hey, can you spit out the definition for this word on a B1 or a B2 level? Great, that works. Carson: Totally. Paulina: but I still need to double check if the definition that they give me is the definition that I want to give my students for the fact because I don't know, there are so many words in the English language that have one word, but it has, I don't know, three different meanings. And many times I encounter that they gave me a definition of this and it's like, ⁓ but that's not the one I meant. And then I have to go back and I still have to say, hey, can you give me a definition for this context, not this? Carson: Right. Paulina: and then they have to give me the other definition. So I don't know if it's necessarily faster because I think it could be faster for me just to put in that word and I don't know, into like a dictionary and you get all the different definitions right away. I don't know. That's just my opinion. Carson: Right. What? Yeah, you definitely have to babysit it. You can't like put your brain in a jar and say, do this for me and expect it to be perfect. Cause I have the same thing happening to me sometimes when I'm using perplexity, not selecting any specific model, just using their built in, I think it's sonar is what they have right now. And so I'll ask, for example, give me 15 fill in the blanks to practice all the present tenses in English. Brandon: Thank Carson: And so it's auto generates these sentences. And like you said, grammatically, okay, sometimes I say, usually I'd say it's about 90 % that grammatically they work. But then a lot of times I'm going back with my students and saying, Hey, like, ⁓ in the real world, we don't say this. It would more likely be this. so, yeah, ⁓ add to what you said, you have to hold its hand. That's not to the point where we could just leave home and say, take care of the house and do all my work and file my taxes. And Brendan, you had something recently with finance or some accounting issue, right? Paulina: you Brandon: ⁓ yeah. You definitely have to go through and check what you put in or check what you put in, but also check what it gives you. And that's something that lots of times we work with students when they use it, they don't do it. They throw it in information, they receive it. And it's like, all right, this is the answer. It's like, no, go through, look at it, see what it's saying. You have to evaluate it and analyze it and see if it makes sense or not. Because sometimes it's not perfect. Carson: Totally. Paulina: Yeah, and what scares me is that, for example, I have one student that I can see her teacher's tests are done, I would say, pretty much with AI, and especially those sentence transformation things. And you take a look at it, and you're like, I would never say this. As a person who has been speaking English for so many years, to say, pretty much since I was a kid, you look at that and you're Carson: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah. Paulina: Like, yes, grammatically, sure, it makes technically sense, but like, in the real world, nobody talks like that. And you go question after question, and you're like, and then I have to tell the student, I'm like, this sentence, yes, it makes sense, but please don't go out into the world speaking like this. I'm like, this is very AI, you know? Like, please don't do it. Carson: Yeah, it's a hard thing. Brandon: But no. Carson: But don't say that to... Yeah. That's... that is the other thing. Exactly. I'm like telling my students, hey, this is old English. We don't use this nowadays as often. Yes, grammatically it's correct. Yes, you could say, no sooner than he did this, that... or you ought to have done that. No, you should have done that. Yeah. It's funny. It's entertaining. But sometimes it's annoying and you want it to be more modern and use language that we use nowadays because learning a language is great on paper, but the practical side of it is obviously the most important thing is you need to speak what the people are speaking and how they're using the language now is what matters most. So, tricky. Paulina: So I definitely think that it has like its, you know, negatives and positives, like its cons and pros. My goodness, can't speak today. My cons and pros. I'm starting to sound like I'm AI, you know, over here. But I'm a little bit skeptical. Like I use it, but I try to, if I can, I try to avoid it. Carson: Yeah. and another one. Paulina: I prefer to do a little bit more of my own research because I don't always feel like I can trust it 100%. Like, okay, for quick facts, sure, but in depth research, I'll try to get different articles, different videos and see what is out there to also get different opinions and perspectives, you know? Carson: Hmm. That's wise. That brings up a good point. I wanted to ask y'all which, which AI you use, like which AI's models, whatever, which plans do you guys use? Brandon: I use perplexity. That's when I use like the most, most often I use it almost probably for sure every, every single day. And that's my, that's my replacement for Google. So before, when you thought of something, ⁓ I need to Google that when I use perplexity and it gives me the information. And like the best thing about perplexity is the, the sources. It provides you with all the sources for, for whatever it is you ask. So like probably you're just saying like, you don't trust it because yeah, where did this information come from? There's some that are better and they provide the sources and actually go in and look at the different sources, read the articles and say, okay, yeah, it actually said this. It makes sense. Paulina: I never use perplexity. I never even heard about it. That's how much in this AI world I'm into that I don't really... The typical for me is a typical chat GPT for very quick questions. That's why, like I said, I don't really use it. ⁓ And Gemini. I Google Gemini to sort of just see what I can do and see what is the general idea, but not... Brandon: No. Carson: Yeah. Yeah. Paulina: I prefer to still go to my news tab and read the news and go into YouTube, watch some videos rather than using AI. I'm a little bit skeptical, like I said, and I don't know where that comes from, but I think it's just, I have it somewhere in my brain, and I'm like, oh my God, AI is gonna take over the world, robots are gonna take over the world, and a little bit, yeah, a little bit, well, not to an extreme, but I think also with, you guys know that, right? So it's like from an artist's perspective. Carson: There you go. Hmm. you ⁓ you're one of those. Ha ha. Paulina: For me, AI is sort of like slop. ⁓ I don't love it because you see so many people being published, so many people that are making music, that everything is pretty much just done with AI completely. ⁓ Their writing, their novels, they don't even bother to edit. you read the book and you're like, this is complete AI. It's like, it takes over the... Carson: It's pretty sad. Yeah. Paulina: the creative aspect. And of course, it's one thing. Carson: When it does, it's terrible. You're right. When it does, when that does happen, and inevitably it was going to happen and it will continue to happen, but you're right. Paulina: ⁓ And I think, you know, on one hand I get it because some people just, you know, write their books, create their music, whatever, for money. That's what the world, you know, is about. ⁓ But at the same time, I think there's somewhere that we need to draw the line. Like, I don't think writing books, making music with AI, or even creating podcasts. I've heard podcasts that were done by AI. It sounds so weird. It scares me. heard it. was like, ⁓ my God, how? So like we need that. There needs to be like a line. Like we need to draw a line somewhere. But for example, if we need a little bit help, you know, with descriptions, right? Carson, you know what I'm talking about? Like, you know, when you put your description, you write it and you're like, okay, let's tweak this. Maybe let's find a better word. Maybe let's find a synonym for those things. Brandon: Yeah. Carson: No, please no, please no. ⁓ yeah. Right. Paulina: It's okay as long as we still know how to write. But I think right now there is, I think that literacy rates are going to be dropping with AI. That's sort of my concern. Yeah. Carson: Right. Yes. Yeah, it's gonna be less important for kids. Brandon: They already have. Carson: No, that's perfect because we were talking about a little bit about the different models, different platforms. I also use perplexity like Brandon. Actually, Brandon was the spokesperson. He got me into perplexity. He told me, I think we were both using the free version. And then Brandon told me about you get a free year if you put your PayPal information in. So I got a free year of pro and I've been. Brandon: Yeah. Carson: taking full advantage of that. And only recently did I really start exploring that selecting different models for different purposes, because on Perplexity Pro, could choose GPT 5.4, Claude. I can't remember which version of Claude. It's not the premium Claude. It's not the best, but it's still quite good at certain tasks. And so like Brandon said, the research is great for perplexity. It's hard to say it's perplexing word that perplexity. I'm perplexed. And so like Brandon said, the research is great for perplexity. It's hard to say it's perplexing word that perplexity. I'm perplexed. ⁓ and so research is great. gives you the sources. you pretty good explanations and analysis. can, you know, follow up questions, blah, blah. I think Claude might be a little better at that even maybe a little bit more natural sounding. ⁓ And ⁓ I'm still exploring. still getting, ⁓ Brandon: Right? Carson: Trying to get a feel for which ones are good at what, but chat GPT seems to be the best at the creative writing, having more creative and natural language. I don't know, processing or whatever. It's, it's giving me better advice in terms of creating sentences, content for English classes, for example, ⁓ resumes, so be it creative, ⁓ creative writing descriptions, things like that. and not taking over my writing and taking the feedback I give it. So it's nice that you can use perplexity to select the different models. And it's a little bit better than just going to chat GPT and using their five or 10 queries every five hours or whatever. so, ⁓ like you said, ⁓ whole put your brain in a jar thing and let AI make movies and ⁓ and write and all that is. ⁓ Brandon: So like I said. you Carson: Getting some interference here. Yeah, they're listening. Right. So you got to be careful. You have to be careful about how much we have to be careful how much we rely on it and we implement it in that we still maintain control over what we produce and what we share with the world, whether it's whatever form of media it may be. We have to keep it human and not just give up. Brandon: They're coming for you Paulina: Yes. Carson: Because if we do give up our creative talents and interests, and for a lot of people, it's their purpose in life, then those jobs should be the ones people should have when AI is to the point where it can take the kind of more mundane, take over the more mundane professions, more, you know, jobs we don't want, essentially the jobs we don't want. Once AI could take care of that, then we could do, we could start focusing on the things we do love and the art that we do want to create or whatever creative pursuit, creative ⁓ profession, you know. Paulina: Yeah, but it's just sad. It's just really sad of like, you know, I see it so much with, like I said, I've seen with podcasts, I've seen it with music, ⁓ with writing and it's just frustrating. Yeah. Brandon: and everything. What do you think? So once again, going back to kind of what you said earlier, Paulina, about your student that uses it. How do you think? Well, I know. Maybe your student is an actual adult, what do you think about how the younger people coming up, how is it going to affect them? Paulina: I think they're not gonna have the research skills that we have. ⁓ Or their research, well, you don't want to put all of them in the same basket, you know? I don't want to like turn our lives because I feel like there are still many kids that, know, ⁓ do their research. But when you take a look at a lot of them. They're like, okay, chat GPT or Gemini or whatever. Like they're gonna tell me, it's gonna tell me the answer. I don't need to do any extra work. And I think it's just gonna, as I said, like literacy rates are gonna definitely start dropping. read an article somewhere. I don't remember what was the name of the article. ⁓ If I find it, we'll put it somewhere in ⁓ description thing ⁓ the article was about how... ⁓ Like each generation up to I think was like millennials was a generation that kept getting so to say smarter, right? It was smarter than the previous generation. And then after millennials, all of, yeah, all of that just started to go downhill. And doesn't really surprise me because that's the, you know, like Gen what? Gen Z and whatever, Gen Alphas or whatever they have now. Carson: I heard about that. Paulina: are constantly with their phones, they're constantly using AI. ⁓ Some of them don't even know what a dictionary is or how to use one. They might know what it is, but they don't know how to use one. So I think it's definitely going to affect they think, how they do their research, how they write. ⁓ see with a lot of students that a lot of them write as they speak. And it's like, well, That's probably because you're not reading enough. That's probably because you're not learning like properly. I don't know. It's a bit scary. Carson: It's definitely something to be on the lookout for and be aware of and figure out how to implement it into the education system in a way that doesn't take away from. Brandon: you Carson: from using these skills that we, of course, have grown up developing. And I don't know about the truth of you're saying that in it, plus don't know if it's something that's very easy to measure, maybe impossible, because there's a lot of things you would have to a lot of factors you have to consider when determining an entire generation or, you know, grouping everybody into that category when realistically we always just kind of shit on the ⁓ younger generations, like historically. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: ⁓ you guys have it so good. When I was young, had to walk to school 10 miles in the snow uphill both ways, you know, like, for example. And so it's very, very common to start saying, yeah, well, we were great and you guys fucked it all up. What's going on? So I don't know if that's true, but maybe you're right. I think it's definitely something like a fear, probably worth having and a conversation worth discussing in terms of how do we prevent kids from. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Hmm. Carson: losing skills that they will need when you don't have internet, when power goes out, when power's out for a week, a month, or longer, or EMPs are being used and all of a sudden all your electronics are fried. Brandon: Exactly. Carson: Well, at least it has been. And then I guess ⁓ with modernization, it's become and of necessity to know how to ⁓ do all these things because we could just go to the store get our food, right? We could just ⁓ go to the store to get computer if this one stops working. We don't have to go hunt every day. We don't have to wake up and go put food on the table. Literally, like life is pretty easy for us. It's amazing that we still get all stressed out when it's not fight or flight. Like our lives are pretty simple and nobody's going to come take it from us. But our brains are still wired that way. And we have to respect our nature. And by... Brandon: Thanks. Paulina: Thank Yeah. Brandon: Without a doubt. Carson: by using too much technology, by relying on AI too much too soon especially I think. It's just not wise. Brandon: Yeah. So since I'm the OG of the group, like I remember back in middle school, actually going to the library, like our school library, like doing research, like going through books, getting information, writing it down, the bibliography, everything. And now exactly. ⁓ MLA, APA, Chicago. Exactly. In-text citations and all of that. And now. Carson: to the baby. ⁓ citation. ⁓ yeah. And L.A. citation. Paulina: ⁓ my god! The photography! MLA? APA? Carson: ⁓ APA, LBA, I don't know about you. Paulina: The footnotes, are we putting footnotes? Brandon: Like when the kids have to do any type of research, they just go type it in. But before it was just Wikipedia. So Wikipedia come up, whatever is in Wikipedia, they put it in. And now they don't even do that because with ChatGBT, they just throw everything in there and whatever chat says, well, that's their answer. And that's what they're putting in their research. Carson: Terrible. Paulina: Oh my god, it's starting to feel old. Like, yeah, you're saying you're the OG, but like, I was still doing that. I'm talking about like, I don't know, 2010, 2011, I was still doing that. Like, going to library, you know, looking through all the books. The teacher would tell you, it's in this section, ask them, you know, you can only read it in the library. You can't take out the book and you're sitting there for hours trying to read the frickin chapter because you can't get this information online for some reason. Brandon: Yeah Exactly. Paulina: And then Wikipedia came around and then, you know, like you would try to be smart. So you'd go down to the older pages that they put down, you know, on the bottom of the page. you're like, OK, so let me see where they got that source from. So I can't just copy and paste from Wikipedia. So I'll paste the other source as a reliable source because Wikipedia was not a reliable source. ⁓ Yeah, now, like they have it so easy. They have it so easy. Carson: Yes. Too easy. Too easy. Paulina: My good. Brandon: And that's the problem because they don't think, because everything's so easy, you don't have to do any work and they don't put in the work to see if the information that they have is actually correct. Paulina: here. Carson: Yeah, that's the loss of critical thinking. It's the loss of maybe I should check this with another source or maybe I should just check another source. ⁓ that source, any source, two, three, five. Like that's why all the teachers were saying you have to have at least five sources. Okay. So this gives us a bigger picture of the dilemma in question or whatever it is that we're researching. And so I was. Brandon: Any source. What source? Carson: Kind of in the middle there with the whole library thing. It was like, there was a Rolodex, yes. And then there was also the online program where you could search and then it would tell you where in the library the book is. I don't know if it's the Dewey Decimal System. ⁓ I just throwing that in there? And so you would just... Brandon: Yeah. Yeah, it sounds familiar. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Paulina: Something like that, yeah. Carson: fucking go figure it out. You're like, okay, it's not there. And then you like go back to a computer and be like, where, where is it? I keep looking there. It's not there. And then go, ⁓ no, I read that completely wrong. Then you go back. All right. Here's the book. Okay, great. And then guess what? Everybody, you open the book and you, and you start looking through it and you go to the index. You've got to look at the glossary, the table of contents, and you start like navigating this physical book, which has so much knowledge. Maybe it's from one source, but it's still a source of knowledge. Paulina: And you actually read it. Carson: And then you put those words somewhere else, you start to paraphrase those words. It's not their words, now you're putting in your words. And like, this is just, I mean, now that I think about it, I'm thinking that was actually kind of fun, especially when it was a project that I wanted, like maybe that I chose or a topic that was interesting to me, but that's kind of fun and we don't do that very much now. Paulina: Yeah. Yeah. Brandon: Yeah. It's Paulina: It was fun. You're right. Carson: Let's go to fun. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: Like teachers just turn you over like, here's 30 minutes. Like you guys got 40, you got the whole class. Here's your projects. Go find stuff. You're on the scavenger hunt and looking through these books that otherwise you would never open, you know? yeah. you had to be quiet. ⁓ Brandon: And you had to be quiet. I think that was a real struggle, like being there with your friends, trying to do research and like not get in trouble, not get kicked out of the library. Paulina: because you would see a kid in the book and you would be like, that's you, you know? And everybody starts trying, you know, is laughing, but laughing silently, and you're trying not to get kicked out. Carson: Or they would use some language that nowadays nobody would say and it just sounded so like off hand, like, no, out of pocket. Just like, no, you would not say that. And you just show your friend and then you're just like, you lose it. And then the teacher's like, Carson, told you earlier, you gotta get out of here. ⁓ my God. Like you're at the dinner table, different story, different day. It's the same idea. Sometimes you just can't. And like us recording the welcome to the group trial, couldn't keep a straight face. Anyways, that's way off topic, but that's just how these things go. Brandon: Alright. Paulina: Bye. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: Yeah, but no, I mean, it's not so off topic because it sort of shows how AI changed our world as well, right? Like we had all of these fun memories of going to library, doing our research, know, sitting with our friends in the library, trying not to get kicked out. And here are our kids, okay, I have a project due tomorrow. Let's see what, you know, Google tells me, like chat GPT and demo night. And like, perfect, I can send that in. And it's like no research done. Brandon: I'm Carson: True. Paulina: No communicating to your friend, just... Carson: It's It's cold. Paulina: It's sad. It's sad. Guys, we need to start doing our own research projects. Like we need to like start meeting up and going to library together. Carson? Carson: Well, we do. mean, we do a little research, but we don't go to the library. We don't go to the library. But we use, we use AI, but then we say, where is this coming from? Let me watch a video. Let me get this source and then this opposing voice and then compare, see how I really feel about it. See what seems more genuine and then make a decision based on that. Brandon: Vibrate. Not anymore. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: but not just the low hanging fruit. First thing I read, take it for the truth, the absolute truth, nothing but the truth. Brandon: put it in, make an entire presentation off the first thing that you see. Carson: And sometimes you wonder if that's what people are doing and surely they are. Brandon: No, no, they do. Yes. What about another platform we didn't, we haven't talked about yet. Notebook, LN. Have you used it? Carson: No book who? Brandon: Notebook Ellen from Google. Paulina: No, no, no. Carson: LM. Language model? No. So Google's got Gemini and Notebook? Okay. Paulina: No. don't think so. Brandon: All right, so this one that, yeah. Notebook LM is, I think it's probably the most underrated and underused chat AI system out there. So basically what it is, you upload the sources that you want into it. And then with the sources that you upload, can do whatever you want with it. You can like... Paulina: All All right. Brandon: For example, Pauline, talked about earlier about like a podcast, that's an AI podcast. So say you're in class, you take notes and you have all your notes. You can put it in and then actually with Notebook LM, it will create its own podcast with two people talking and it's going through the information. So it's like a way for you to listen and learn whatever it is that you uploaded, learn the information. Or you can create like a PowerPoint or you can create actual like quizzes. But to go through and actually see if you, whatever you studied, if it's notes, for example, to go through, it'll create quizzes for you to go through and give you an opportunity to study. It's something that for anyone that's a student, they should definitely be using it instead of a chat GPT. But because you obviously have to do your work before you actually have to have the notes. And then you take your notes, upload them, and then you have a whole new resource that's going to help you prepare for, to study or to, or you have an exam or whatever it is that you need. Carson: Interesting. Sounds pretty cool. Paulina: I haven't heard of it. Haven't used it. Brandon: Yeah, that's good. ⁓ definitely. Carson: Sounds more interactive, which I like. Not just words on a screen. Brandon: So that's one I'm using also now for different things, but yeah, it's good. Paulina: ⁓ I'll keep that in mind. Carson: Yeah, definitely something that could come in handy for all of us since we're all still teaching. Paulina: Yeah, exactly. All right. Are there any other questions about AI? I mean, there are plenty, but. Carson: Yeah, but let's address the elephant in the room. Is AI going to take over the world anytime soon? When we put... Is it going to steal our jobs? Is it going to start killing people and pushing buttons that they shouldn't push? Paulina: Is it gonna steal our jobs? Well... Carson: You seem like you're kind of paranoid about this, so. Paulina: There is no right way. There was a case quite recently that AI told somebody to kill themselves type of thing. I don't know if it told them, but it hinted or there was something about it. Carson: Damn, what a moody AI. Brandon: No, there's no there's several cases what that happened so Yeah, that's one in the last couple years. Yeah, there's been a few Paulina: Look quite recent. No, I'm talking about like two weeks ago or something like that. I'm about like really recent. ⁓ I'm trying to remember. Brandon: Ah, okay. Okay. Carson: It sounds familiar, yeah. Did the person kill himself? Paulina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Carson: And I'm talking about the person as well as the AI, I'm sorry, but that's just fucking absurd. Paulina: Yeah. I don't know how old they were. I think they were already like, they weren't a teen, like a teenager. They were like a full grown adult, I think. Yeah, I don't remember. Carson: How are you gonna take advice like that and then blame AI? And plus, what did they feed into this AI before this AI said maybe it would be best for you to... I need to see all of the facts. Because this sounds like... ⁓ well, Gemini. Stay away from that Gemini. You never know. Paulina: Yeah. It was apparently Gemini. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah, but there have been like a couple of ⁓ instances like that. So, but that's the thing. It's like, it really depends on like, what are you putting in into the bot, like into the chat, like that it gives you that type of response, you know? Carson: That's fucking crazy. Yeah, because... No, Brandon, go ahead. Brandon: No, just to say, I think this has to go along with the fact that younger now ⁓ are what's the I'm looking for? They're so much into that digital world that they don't have much interaction outside of it. So their world is all digital. So instead of actually going out and talking to people, their friends, family, whatever, well, it's like, all right, well, there's ⁓ AI. I'll to chat GBT or I think there's other programs. I think there's one called. character AI, where it's just like literally for you to have like a conversation, like to have like a ⁓ friend and they have all these AIs that they choose to communicate with instead of actual people. And then we run into this problem that we don't know what's happening or what the AIs are saying or what's trying to influence they have ⁓ different young people and decisions that they're making. Carson: Wow. Wow. There's also that whole kind of ass kissing that AI does when you start having these ideas and you're adamant about your ideas or you're adamant about being right in your decision, convinced that what you're thinking is the right thing. Then AI all of a sudden starts going, you're absolutely right. That's spot on way to think about things. And you're just like, I don't need you to give me a pep talk. Like I don't need to be like encouraged. just need, I just, I don't need my cheerleader. Thank you. I just need to know like, should I be drawing these conclusions based on the evidence, based on the accurate information that's out there? Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: You don't need a cheerleader. Carson: So maybe this person, I'm just speculating, which probably I shouldn't do, but I'm gonna do it anyways. I'm speculating that this person maybe shared a lot about their life, their feelings, everything. Brandon: Everything. Everything. Paulina: Yeah, what I'm looking at right now, it's something along those lines, yeah. Carson: And so there, you know, then once the AI is kind of programmed to be your friend, your ally, supportive, even if supporting you means telling you to do the thing that would end your life. I don't know how it would get to that point. It's just sad that humans can... take it to heart what a computer, what artificial intelligence would tell them to do. And it's not too surprising because we do trust it to an extent, all of us. We trust it as much as we personally like to trust it in terms of the information it gives us. So you can't really blame the person, but you can't blame the AI either. The AI is designed this way and us as humans, we as humans need to be better equipped to understand the difference between a human telling you something versus AI, which doesn't have a soul, doesn't have a spirit, doesn't have experience as a human. It never will have experience as a human. So when we're talking about things that are so, so, so human, so unique to what it means to be a human, we really, really should not be giving it any credibility in that domain. So it's sad. Yes, it's sad. Breaks my heart to hear that somebody took such bad advice from a non-being. Paulina: Yeah. On top of that, mean, there is also like cases where people go like get married to AI or like they have like these bots or like, I don't know, like they get into like relationships, like full on relationships with AI. And for me, like, it just blows my mind. Like, I don't even know. I don't even have the words to to describe like how I feel about it, because it just blows my mind. How are you going to be in a relationship? Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: with with a bot with something Brandon: computer. Have you seen the movie Hair? Scarlett Johansson and Joaquin Phoenix. It's from like 2013 and that's what it is. Exactly. So that's how before we talking about chat GBT kicked off around 2022. But this is something that has been around for decades. It's like 2013. There was already a movie talking about this situation as for us seems so out of the world. But in reality it's not not now. Carson: It's a little, it's ahead of its time, yeah. I need to watch it still, yeah. True, true, true. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: I mean, it does sound way outlandish now to us and to me that you could have a relationship with AI. But when we get to the point where robots are looking more and more like actual humans, that's not gonna be too hard to believe. Because if that AI robot can do essentially the things that a human could do, at some point it's gonna be a little bit hard to really make that judgment call. And maybe it's going to be scary. I think it would be quite scary. Yes, to realize that this person you've been talking to is not a person, but in fact AI. But then you imagine having this robot who walks, talks and acts like Tony and you know, he does all the things you want him to do. He says all the right things. He knows about your experiences. I'm not saying I'm just saying. Paulina: I know it's still a robot. It doesn't have a heart. I don't know. Like... No. For me it's a heart, no. Carson: I know, I know, no. I know, no, because you can't like, obviously to replace the person, right? But let's imagine, I think it was Black Mirror. ⁓ could it be Black Mirror or something? It's always Black Mirror, right? But you're a widow. You're 80 years old. And you're not telling me that there is this AI who looks... Brandon: ⁓ yeah. Paulina: knew you were gonna go there, I knew it! Yeah. Carson: The way, maybe not like somebody you knew, because that'd be creepy, but maybe the way you wanted it to look. And it was there for you. And you only had maybe five, 10 years left to live or something like, and you didn't have anybody else. All your family had already passed away. You're old. It's dirt. ⁓ Paulina: just date around, screw it, like, I don't know. Carson: Date around. Yeah, you're okay. Dating at 80 or 90 sounds pretty easy, huh? I mean, yeah, there's gonna probably be a probably be two or three people in your locale. you know, exactly. I don't know. I think there are definitely situations where it would be less awkward, less weird, less unbelievable. But we're not to that point. What are our thoughts on robots and... Paulina: Yeah! You got a little cougar there. Thank you. Brandon: In the nurse at home. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: All that jazz. Paulina: No, I get what you're saying. First of all, I just want to say I get what you're saying. I know where you're going with this. I think there would be situations where, so to say, would be more, so to say, acceptable, if you want to put it. But for this moment, I don't think that's the healthiest thing. I don't know. Carson: I wouldn't like it, I'm just saying. I don't think there's any health benefits to this at all. Paulina: The same idea when you see people getting married to dolls and things like that and you're like, is everything okay up here? Sorry, but like, you need maybe some therapy? Carson: Hmm. The are on, but nobody's home. Brandon: You Carson: Dang. Paulina: Sorry Brandon, go ahead. Brandon: No, just taking it all there. No, I was thinking of what is that iRobot, the movie Will Smith, like also I could see that. I could see that happen happening now with like the idea that all the companies like Elon Musk has his robot, what is it? Optimus. And there's lots of other Chinese companies, also different brands. And I think Nvidia has robots also. Carson: It's like, I don't want to deal with robots. Fuck robots. Sorry. Will it me? Mm-hmm. Brandon: Like everyone's working on robots. So even though it's something that the three of us, we don't want, it's gonna, it's gonna happen. It's probably gonna be sooner than, sooner than we think. Carson: is happening. How soon do you think, Brandon? What's your estimate? Until we start seeing him walking out on the streets and carrying groceries and stuff like that. Brandon: Poof. I don't know. I want to say probably what, we're in 26, so maybe about five years. Carson: Paulina, five years. Paulina: Yeah, I would say the same thing because we already see, so to say, robots in certain workplaces. Like, know, those typical like, so to say, they're machines, but yeah, they're still to a certain extent robots, right? So if we can get technology that far to help people in warehouses or delivering food, there are those little tiny robots that deliver food as well, or as waitresses. Brandon: in a warehouse or... Carson: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're seeing that more more. True. Five years till humanoid robots. Of course, you know I'm talking about humanoid robots. Paulina: Hmm. Yeah, like I think five years Brandon: Mass production. Paulina: Yeah. Yeah, five to seven hours. Carson: Five years. Five years. I think that's large. No, go ahead. Brandon: I think maybe five years max. I think it might, yeah. Carson: Max, I'm going to counter by saying five years minimum just because of global economic situation, potential increased global military conflicts. I think we're going to be a little distracted in terms of like financial ability. I don't know that for one, people will be able to afford robots and two, they'll be able to produce them at a level. So I would say five years minimum. I would say between five and 10 years, we could start seeing them. But obviously nobody knows because there's so many factors of changing every day. And like you said, there are so many different companies working on these different humanoid robots. mean, perhaps if there was more cooperation and they could buddy up, maybe we'd making a little more progress, but everybody wants to do their own thing. And everybody wants to be the first one to have that big hit. Brandon: Exactly. Carson: That one humanoid robot that doesn't kill you. Brandon: Get that government contract. Carson: Yeah. But yeah, could be pretty creepy. I don't want one in my house unless it's gonna just exclusively do the dishes. If it just does the dishes, it just stands there and even like, I'll just put a dish on the counter and be like, thanks Carson. I'm like, no, thank you motherfucker. You have one job. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: ⁓ I'll do the dishes. Paulina: ⁓ we already have dishwashers, we have dishwashers for that. I mean, yes, we have to load them, unload them, but... Carson: ⁓ Your spouse is not a dishwasher, okay? Let's not be ridiculous here. At my house, there's no dishwasher. We have everything else. Well, except for a dryer because we're in Spain. No drying machine for clothes, you don't have to. You have a dryer. You're breaking the law. I'm reporting you. Paulina: Hahaha! Brandon: I'm Paulina: Thank Brandon: ⁓ Paulina: We don't either. We don't have a Brandon: We gotta dry. Yeah. To the AI police. Paulina: Yeah, we have dryers. Carson: You have the sun outside, you have the sun and the wind out there every day. It's just Espana. have, you don't need a dryer, man. You're just killing the environment. What's wrong with you? Brandon: We don't have a balcony. Carson: Alright then go ahead, you can have a dryer. Brandon: Perfect. Paulina: I got nothing to say about that. Yeah. Carson: Yeah, but the dishwasher is crucial. so it's not a robot. It was a robotic kitchen. It was basically a kitchen. Something I found out about years ago, I think costs 250,000 and it could prepare all these meals. It had maybe 400 different recipes, things that could cook. could clean the kitchen. could clean the dishes, put things like that away. And I, and I was, I was thinking about investing. No, 250,000? That's a lot of money. But think of how much time that would save you. At this point in my life. Well, if we're counting cooking and cleaning, there's two hours a day. There's an hour to two hours a day every day, right? Think about how much more you could do. Paulina: What are you gonna do with all that free time? Carson: something productive, of course. Paulina: You say that right now, but if you actually had that, I feel like that's something that we always, as humans, at least for me, like, I have a dryer in my house. I don't have a dishwasher, but I have a dryer. And it's like, ⁓ I'll put the dryer, that means I can fold the clothes, I can do something more productive, can do... Hmm, that doesn't always happen. Yes, there are some days, but there are others that... Not really. So I think... I don't know. Carson: You're telling me that you telling me that a robot would clean your whole house, your bathroom, do the dishes, maybe occasionally cook you something. You wouldn't do that for 20,000, 30,000. If I could have one that I could trust to do those things, I would invest even maybe 50,000 and make monthly payments because of how much more freedom that would give me in my life. Obviously I have a flat. Paulina: Yes, I'm telling you. Carson: Right now, it wouldn't be worth 50,000, right? But 10,000? Sure. If I had a house, imagine. Like there are people who would really benefit from this, especially people who have like three, four or five kids, imagine, right? There's definitely a market for it. Paulina: Yeah, but that's not right. Brandon: Definitely. Paulina: No, there definitely is a market, but I think like I'm at an age where like what I'm 30. My partner is also in his thirties. Like we're healthy enough to be doing the things around the house without anybody else's help. Like we have the strength to do those things. Okay. It takes a little bit more time. We're not in a rush. Okay. The clothes. Yeah, we can pull that tomorrow. We don't need to wait. it can wait. It can be there. It's fine. Like Carson: Yeah. Paulina: I'm not in a rush to do things around the house necessarily. There are days and days, but I don't think it's a necessity. I think it's something that I see as like a luxury thing versus a necessity. Like it's not a necessity. Definitely. Carson: Total luxury. Absolutely. Absolutely it's a luxury. It would be a luxury. But a lot of people would take advantage of it. And of course that's just one application. That's the home application. We don't stay in our homes all the time. So having a robot that could do many more things for us could be pretty enticing. Paulina: I think something like that, for example, when you go away on a trip, for me, that would be amazing. If I go away on a trip and I come back and my house is all nice and clean because I didn't have a chance to clean it before I went on a trip, then yes. But how many times a year do I actually go on a trip? Like, is it worth for me to invest in a robot that is just going to clean my house when I really need it during those couple of times a year? I don't know. Brandon: It's a business opportunity. You have your business, you have someone, you go on a vacation, all right. Send in a robot to clean your house, be ready, clean for you when you get back. Feed your cats. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: Mm-hmm. Play with the cats. Paulina: No. Carson: Pick up the salt thing that falls or whatever. I mean, their hands, like, they really need to improve their motor skills. It's just, you saw the way it put a glass in the dishwasher? Bro, no, secure that fucker. I don't want to open the dishwasher and then break glass every time. So it's too early to say yes. Brandon: At 3 o'clock in the morning Paulina: you Brandon: early stages. Carson: But it's probably going to happen in our lifetimes. Paulina: ⁓ definitely. Brandon: Definitely. Paulina: for sure. Brandon: Like I said, Elon Musk wants it to happen as soon as possible and he has the funds. Yeah, but this is one of the things he's really focused on. He has the funds and I don't know if he puts his mind to it, I think it'll happen. He says he wants to sell them for about 20,000, I think. so you say it's a price that almost everyone can afford it. We'll see how that goes. Paulina: I know this. Carson: ⁓ he wants a lot of things. Paulina: There you go, Carson. Carson: Well, it's another car. mean, it's almost a car. could get a... There are some new cars in the mid-20s, 30s. So for the people who are making bank, who are earning six figures, then sure. What about the rest of us? Brandon: Yeah. Yeah, it's nothing. Yeah. Paulina: But that's the thing, like right now it's still very early phase. mean, the same thing with, I mean, you look at Tesla, right? Same idea. mean, a lot of people were really skeptical also with Tesla. I mean, it's a car that can drive itself, technically, you know? And there were a lot of problems with Tesla. I'm pretty sure there's still have some sort of issues. I don't know. I don't really follow up. It makes me think about, If Tesla had that many problems, ⁓ how many problems will those robots have? You know, like I think that's a little bit more of a complicated thing to create. the number one rule technically of the robots is supposed to be that they're not supposed to harm people or kill people or whatever. It's like, okay, great, but... Carson: Right. Paulina: Same idea with Tesla's, right? That technically there was supposed to be self-driving cars, everything was supposed to be great, and then things happened. I don't think it's always going to be like 100 % accuracy, unfortunately. Brandon: Never. Carson: Yeah, that's kind of the argument that I have a little bit hard time going along with that at some point it's going to be indistinguishable from reality or robots are going to be on that perfect level. They're going to have perfect dexterity and they're going to move fluidly. They're going to be able to look and sound and feel and express like a human. But good point Paulina that self-driving cars, that whole thing. It's still not perfected. And that's been in the works for two decades. I mean, at least how long now? And so there's, there you go. Like a car just has to drive, right? A car has to get on a road, get off the road sometimes, be aware of pedestrians, be aware of cyclists, adjust according to geological conditions, blah, blah, blah, blah. There is like a finite set of conditions that they can train. Paulina: Good. Carson: and account for with the cameras, with the sensors, and blah blah blah. But then, well, a humanoid robot has got to be way more intelligent than that. If it's going to be out there with us in the real world at the grocery store, or walking down the street, or you name it. So five, 10 years, I'll sit on that. Five, 10 years, and they're still going to be fucking making mistakes. You're going to find robots like, like dead bug on the street. Paulina: You don't wanna do it. You don't. Like, you don't wanna go to the supermarket and fix it up in an ore and throw it at your head, you know? It's like, bro, what the fuck you doing? Carson: Yeah, we're closed today. had a few meltdowns. Paulina: Go robot, I'm sorry. Carson: Ha Paulina: You Carson: ⁓ boy. Yeah, it's gonna be funny. I mean, it could be really entertaining. It could also be really scary. Brandon: Ugh. Paulina: I'm sorry. Brandon: I'm leading more towards scary. Carson: Both of are in the fear, in the fear wagon. I just, when I see those thumbnails, it's, what was the one I saw today? Is AI hiding its true power? Paulina: dramatic. Carson: It's not hiding anything. We control it. We give it the power it has. you talking about? It's not hiding shit. Is AI going to kill us? Well, we kill ourselves and we kill each other. So what do you think it's going to do? You really think it's going to be that different? If we're designing it in our image, then what do you expect is going to happen? Either it's going to work with us for some time, we're to have symbiosis. Brandon: Yeah, we're pretty good at that. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: symbiotic relationship. It could last five years, it could last five decades, could last five centuries. But there's a risk, a huge risk that we have to be willing to accept in order to integrate robots and AI into the level playing field with us. If we are giving them enough power to be with us on this same level, well, how's that going to play out? At some point they can absolutely replace us. And then history at some point would have no trace of us if AI so desired. This planet could at some point have no trace of humankind. That's scary. Yes, we're not going to see that. I mean, I don't think so. But thousands of years, hundreds of years go by in terms of the universe fairly quickly. Paulina: I hope not. Brandon: Nah, that quit. think a lot of it is also who's in control. So obviously, like all the different robots, who's the person or the company behind it or the different platforms that we use also. parameters are they ⁓ for the use of ⁓ systems? And I think that's something that's also extremely important. Carson: Totally. There's so much that goes into it that so much that we just, we can't really consider. We don't have time to research and know exactly how all this works. We just get to play with it. We just get, ⁓ this is cool. This does this. ⁓ it's getting more realistic. But what does all that mean? Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Did you see what happened with government a couple of ago? Carson: Anthropic in the government. That sounds familiar. was a headline, but well, let's tell us. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: I heard something about it. Brandon: So I'll try to remember. So basically that the government had a contract with Anthropic. They were using Claude for everything that they were doing. I think it was a contract that was worth about 200 million. basically, the of Anthropics said that, you can use our system, ⁓ but like two ⁓ two things that you can't do. it's one use it to. Was it like for surveillance US citizens ⁓ and for like to have for like complete control of weapons or something like that? And basically when everything would happen with Venezuela and now with Iran, like the government was like, all right. We need more power. We need to use more of your platform. And they were like, no, these are our two requirements and ⁓ we're not going to give you any space with that. got of the contract. And within like a couple of hours, ⁓ OpenAI was there and already an out tonight. The government is going to be using... ⁓ Paulina: Bye. Brandon: chat GBT now and we're not using cloud anymore. And they basically like put a anthropic on like a blacklist. Like they're like the only American company on this list. But as a result of that, people saw what they did. And so a lot of people stopped using chat GBT and started going to cloud. So they're, so they're Paulina: you Carson: Hmm, how funny. Paulina: Okay. Brandon: Their numbers went up and Chagy Bt went down because of what happened with him and the government. Paulina: Okay, that makes me want to switch over even more. Thank you, President. Brandon: Yeah, I cloud is, I have it there. I gotta use it more often, especially now. Carson: We have to keep in mind that just as easily as we use it for good, it could be used for evil. And people in power make decisions for the many. And oftentimes not consulted with the mini. And so that's a real danger. Yes, that's existential threat. And then also, no, go ahead. Paulina: But no, sorry, sorry, continue. Mine is a little bit longer. No, I wanted to bring back the, to talk about the video that you, I don't know who Carson: That's sad. Paulina: was, I think it was you, Carson, that you sent a ⁓ with Bernie Sanders and Claude. ⁓ you don't send things to the group chat. ⁓ was, I think it was you, Carson, that you sent a ⁓ with Bernie Sanders and Claude. ⁓ you don't send things to the group chat. ⁓ Carson: I didn't do that. I don't do, I don't send things. I don't send videos. My robot, my robot does that. I don't send shit. I'm too busy. I didn't do that. I don't do, I don't send things. I don't send videos. My robot, my robot does that. I don't send shit. I'm too busy. Paulina: ⁓ with Bernie and Claude. my God, what I found really interesting, I I'm aware of these things, you know, but it's like to actually hear it from AI in itself to, know, that, ⁓ well, we, you know, accordingly adjust the prices, we show you these specific things according on what information we get from the companies. It's like, of course, yeah, we know that. Like we are, I think we're at an age that we're aware of how Carson: Yep. Paulina: sort of the system is being used, you know, and all of that. But at the same time, when you actually hear that from AI, from Klaon and telling you like, yeah, well, they are using this and this to, I don't know, show you these type of prices or to show you this type of information and about the political things, the political campaigns and all that. I was like, OK, I'm aware of this. at the same time, hearing it from an AI like Carson: Data is being used. Brandon: Right from the source. Paulina: It just like, you're like, are you shitting me? Like, I know this, but at the same time, it's shocking, like jaw on the floor type of thing. Carson: Yeah, I had to take a deep breath on that one because it's like you got to crawl before you walk type of concept in terms of we are not even in control of our own data. Data brokers and companies and governments retain it for as long as they damn well please. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: We can sign up for subscription services, Brandon, like you and I did with Incognito, for example, they could delete our data on our behalf. But if we don't keep subscribing, well, then they get those companies are just like, well, the statute of limitations, bullshit, jargon, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we have no protections as citizens against these companies. Data brokers shouldn't exist. Tell me one good reason why that information needs to be saved for all of eternity. It doesn't. So we don't have a free, open, private, secure internet as it is. And then there's AI. ⁓ AI is just going to get even way more information, process it way faster than a human, put that in those little boxes, send that to these companies so they can use it. And goodbye privacy. There is none. It's been that way for years, but it's only going to get worse. So Brandon: Yeah. Carson: What did Bernie say? We should put a, what's the word moratorium? Is that the word I'm thinking? And so, right. Brandon: Yeah. Carson: Yes. Let's get ⁓ our shit together. Cross our T's, doubt our I's, work on cyber security laws, privacy regulations, regulate, regulate, regulates ⁓ regulators. ⁓ Yes. Let's get ⁓ our shit together. Cross our T's, doubt our I's, work on cyber security laws, privacy regulations, regulate, regulate, regulates ⁓ regulators. ⁓ Brandon: regulations. regulations. regulators. regulators. Now no. Now no. Carson: ⁓ man, but yeah, that's a thing. We're not ready. He wasn't ready. No, we're not ready. We need time. Please take five to 10 years before the robots are walking on the streets because there's so much other shit we need to be doing. Paulina: Yeah. with Brandon: Unfortunately, I think it's gonna be more like social media like we came too late for the regulations and put everything in control or put it in everything in to try to control it and it's still not fixed and now we're moving on to something that's even bigger and the problems that we could possibly have are gonna be greater and there's not gonna be any regulation because everything changes so quickly. It's gonna be impossible. Paulina: Yeah. Carson: That's it. The technology outpaces the regulation and the legislation behind it. I that's been known since the beginning of time, I mean, since the modern age and the, And so we have to expect it, but at the same time, we do need to have the conversation. We do need to try to bring some things to light and focus our energy on what really matters. And also the fact that slow down everybody. don't need a robot Paulina. You can do the house stuff when you can get to it. Most people are capable enough to do it. All right. So this could be great, but the world is not perfect as it is. There are still people living in poverty. There's ridiculous wars, needless wars being fought, people dying, a lot of people in Europe and the United States struggling to afford. Paulina: Exactly. Thanks Carson: their lives because of this, that, or the other. Maybe this regulation in some areas is too much, in some areas it's not enough, and it's these wealth gaps. And so how can we say that we are in a position to bring these shiny new toys to our house when we can't basic things? We can't afford to travel as much as we want. Paulina: No. We can't afford the freaking gasoline. Sorry. Carson: Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, So it's great and I love the sci-fi movie that we're living right now, but at the same time, it's not a movie. The reality is pretty awesome as it is. Life is great. Get out there and live it. Have conversations with humans. Find your passion. Work on it. Work toward it. And don't rely on technology to make your life better. What more can I say? Paulina: And that's what I also said in the chat when I sent the message. What scares me is that, everything is just there. People have just access to all of the information that they want and need or whatever. They don't really need it. But ⁓ back in the days, you would have a file. If a building burnt down, that file is gone. You're not going to... Brandon: It's gone. Carson: File is burned up. Paulina: have an extra copy. That's it. Like, or on a floppy disk, you had a floppy disk, it broke down, it's not on the computer for some reason, that file is gone. Like you're not gonna get that file. Now everything is just out there and floating in the cloud and other places. Carson: It's wild. Paulina: It is wild. Brandon: Yesterday I watched a movie called Mercy. I heard some people, different other podcasts talk about it. So basically what it is, it's I think in 2030 and it's in LA. And so they have lots of problems with crime and everything. And so they create, or there's an AI that's the judge. Well, in the end it's the judge, the jury and executioner. So whatever happens. You go in front of the judge or in front of judge, in front of the AI, and you have an hour and a half to fight your case. And obviously you have like all the information because everyone's phones are all linked to the cloud. And so you have all the information, everything is there, but you have to put together your case to prove you're innocent in front of the AI. And I was like, yeah, it's like, I think with this. Carson: Interesting concept. Paulina: Interesting. Brandon: There's so much faith that people put it into AI, I could see that happening at some point in the near future. Carson: Yeah. Paulina: and it's ⁓ Carson: Right, maybe not so drastically as a judge, jury, and executioner, but maybe as a teacher, maybe as a babysitter, which I don't agree with. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: Hmm. Carson: But hey, it's all about what the governments are willing to pay, what services they're willing to pay for, which things are going to be valued by the population. And that will determine how and when we use AI in robots. And it may not be up to us per se. Paulina: Yeah. And to sort of go, you know, connect it to this, to not put trust into, you know, AI and to like as teachers, well, as babysitters or whatever. I think I heard somewhere about therapists, about AI being like a therapist versus like you would pay less or something like that versus a regular therapist or vice versa. I don't remember what it was. Carson: Hmm. Paulina: Turing told me about it a few months ago. like, ⁓ don't know if I would want ⁓ ⁓ a therapist. ⁓ get the appeal of it because it's ⁓ there. You can sort of connect pretty much from whatever ⁓ in the world. You can sort of have a session whenever, but at the same time, if they're telling people to sort of kill themselves, like, hmm. ⁓ Carson: No thanks. Sure. Hmm. Paulina: Do we want that as a therapist? Like how reliable is that? Carson: Yeah. So tell me how you feel. I feel like killing myself. Go ahead, great idea. That's really something, Carson. You should go for it. ⁓ Excuse me? I'm just here to support your decisions. Paulina: Yeah. scary. Carson: So. Paulina: ⁓ Any other questions? Do we have anything else to discuss? Or are we just in like this little mode of shit? Like the world is going to be a scary place. Carson: Ha ha ha. Paulina: Already is a scary place. Shit. Carson: I think it already is. Brandon: That's what I'm gonna say. Say we're already there. Carson: But it's also not that scary and it could be a lot scarier. So we have to have these conversations. We have to be real and say how we're really feeling about this, what we're thinking would be a good idea, what wouldn't be, what should we be cautious of, what could we be excited about, and how can we be realistic more than anything. So if anybody have anything else they want to share? Brandon: Yeah, very true. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: I that's about it. I think we have to take some time and see how things progress. Because everyone's going to be affected, obviously. Carson: All right. Paulina: We're gonna come back to redo this episode in about like five to seven years, you know, and see if we have those little humanoid rewards. Hey, this is Bobby. Carson: True. The little robot buddy right here. Hey, bro. Hey, bro bot. What's up, bruh? Shit, bruh. Brandon: Okay. I think maybe in five to seven months we could touch back on this and we'd have a completely different conversation. Carson: True, true. We'll have to do it. We'll have to do part two. Paulina: Maybe. Carson: Well, thank you for watching. If you found anything at all interesting or useful, please give us a like, follow, subscribe, all that fun stuff. Thanks everybody. Paulina: Ciao! Carson: Peace.