Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 759: Foundations - A Deep Dive Into Turkey Decoys
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:23Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. This week,
- 0:25Speaker 2: in honor of our Turkey Week campaign here at meat Eater,
- 0:28Speaker 2: I'm going to drop a few extra episodes for all
- 0:31Speaker 2: of you. They'll be based on bag and your bird
- 0:33Speaker 2: this spring. This episode is all about turkey deacers how
- 0:38Speaker 2: to use them throughout the season. It's not quite Turkey
- 0:48Speaker 2: time for most of us right now, but we're getting close.
- 0:51Speaker 2: You probably heard me say it already or have seen
- 0:53Speaker 2: I don't know one hundred and seventy six Instagram posts
- 0:56Speaker 2: about it, but Meat Eater is having a celebration around
- 1:00Speaker 2: turkeys this week. That means we're dropping a pile of
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- 1:07Speaker 2: of our best turkey hunting products. So if you're thinking, eh,
- 1:10Speaker 2: Turkey season's coming up and I might need a new
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- 1:22Speaker 2: And now that that's out of the way, I want
- 1:24Speaker 2: to say I'm probably more excited for this podcast than
- 1:28Speaker 2: a lot of the other ones, mostly because I don't
- 1:30Speaker 2: get to talk about turkeys a lot, and I love
- 1:32Speaker 2: talking about turkeys. I love just about everything about turkeys, actually,
- 1:37Speaker 2: but I'm really obsessed with decoying them. It doesn't matter
- 1:40Speaker 2: if I'm bow hunting or if I'm gun hunting or
- 1:42Speaker 2: guiding one of my daughters to a bird. Decoys and
- 1:45Speaker 2: decoy setups are just so important. In fact, they're so important,
- 1:50Speaker 2: at least in my mind, that this whole damn episode
- 1:52Speaker 2: is going to dive into the what, how, and why
- 1:54Speaker 2: of decoying turkeys all season long. Picture this if you will.
- 2:04Speaker 2: My buddy Hawk and I were camping on a chunk
- 2:07Speaker 2: of public land in Nebraska in twenty twelve, well before
- 2:10Speaker 2: first light. We lugged packs, blinds, chairs, decoys, bows, everything
- 2:16Speaker 2: everything you could imagine up a bluff to set up
- 2:18Speaker 2: on a grassy ridge top that was not only dotted
- 2:21Speaker 2: by cedars but also offered us a good view of
- 2:24Speaker 2: a private cornfield. Since it was early April, we knew
- 2:28Speaker 2: the birds would be flocked up, but we also knew
- 2:30Speaker 2: that our decoys would be highly visible in that spot
- 2:33Speaker 2: and that they'd be able to hear us call. It
- 2:35Speaker 2: was also supposed to be sunny and warm, which is
- 2:38Speaker 2: the best forecast you can have for early season birds.
- 2:41Speaker 2: And it really didn't take very long before I called
- 2:44Speaker 2: in my first Tom. Although he came in behind me
- 2:47Speaker 2: and gobbled close enough to get me to jump, he
- 2:49Speaker 2: didn't step into my spread. I didn't think that mattered, though.
- 2:53Speaker 2: It was just one of those mornings where they were
- 2:56Speaker 2: just blowing up. This was also back when Nebraska was
- 3:00Speaker 2: filthy with birds, so much so that you knew that
- 3:03Speaker 2: even if you were hunting public land with a bow,
- 3:06Speaker 2: you're going to have a good hunt. Well I had
- 3:10Speaker 2: a good hunt, sort of. I can't remember how many
- 3:13Speaker 2: birds I called in that day, but I think it
- 3:15Speaker 2: was eleven between jakes and Tom's. Do you know how
- 3:18Speaker 2: many walked into my decoys and strutted though zero. I
- 3:22Speaker 2: eventually got an arrow into a jake that skirted my
- 3:25Speaker 2: spread and I never found him, so that sucked. And
- 3:29Speaker 2: after that hunt, where I didn't kill a turkey, by
- 3:32Speaker 2: the way. I did what any desperate hunter would do.
- 3:35Speaker 2: I drove to Cabella's and bought the cheapest of the
- 3:37Speaker 2: best looking decoys I could get. I mean, they looked
- 3:41Speaker 2: good enough, but those inflatable decoys just wouldn't hold air
- 3:45Speaker 2: for very long. It was frustrating, mostly because I was
- 3:48Speaker 2: trying to arrow birds and I could not, for the
- 3:51Speaker 2: life of me, get it done. It was like I
- 3:53Speaker 2: had a force field around my setup that they would
- 3:56Speaker 2: just say, Nope, I'm not coming any closer. Before the
- 4:00Speaker 2: twenty fourteen season, I went big and I bought the
- 4:04Speaker 2: Dave Smith flock. Now I know we owned Dave Smith
- 4:08Speaker 2: decoys now, so you can be as skeptical as you want,
- 4:11Speaker 2: and I don't blame you. But in twenty fourteen, I
- 4:13Speaker 2: doubt I even knew who Stephen Ranella was, and I
- 4:16Speaker 2: sure as hell didn't think i'd end up working for
- 4:18Speaker 2: him or working for a company that would buy Dave
- 4:21Speaker 2: Smith nearly a decade later. I just wanted a better
- 4:25Speaker 2: advantage with the spring birds. Like quite a few years,
- 4:30Speaker 2: Hawk and I started in Nebraska that year, even though
- 4:33Speaker 2: we'd mostly swung and missed every other time we'd gone
- 4:36Speaker 2: down there this time. However, we set up and I
- 4:40Speaker 2: immediately called a jake into my spread and shot him
- 4:43Speaker 2: at seven yards. He died right there, and it honestly
- 4:46Speaker 2: felt like a fluke until I went home and called
- 4:50Speaker 2: in a jake from way across a pitcornfield and I
- 4:53Speaker 2: rowed him too. I added another jake that year, and
- 4:57Speaker 2: I realized something. My decoy choice seem to be helping
- 5:01Speaker 2: me as a turkey bow hunter quite a bit. Since then,
- 5:05Speaker 2: I've used a pile of different decoys and configurations, and
- 5:09Speaker 2: I feel like I've learned an awful lot about what
- 5:12Speaker 2: makes decoys effective and when to use what. For starters,
- 5:16Speaker 2: I'll get this out of the way. Quality is expensive,
- 5:20Speaker 2: but it is worth it. The look of your decoys
- 5:23Speaker 2: not just paint jobs and finishes, but body language is
- 5:27Speaker 2: so important. You want a decoy that looks good up close,
- 5:31Speaker 2: because even silhouettes perform just fine when birds are two
- 5:34Speaker 2: hundred yards out. It's when they get right into the
- 5:37Speaker 2: mix and the light is low or the sun is
- 5:39Speaker 2: straight overhead and it's crazy bright out that you find
- 5:43Speaker 2: out whether your decoy looks real to the birds. Just
- 5:46Speaker 2: like with deer hunting, a great litmus test for your
- 5:49Speaker 2: decoys is how often the ladies accept them. Until I
- 5:53Speaker 2: started using really realistic decoys, I never knew how many
- 5:57Speaker 2: hens you could not only call in but keep around.
- 6:02Speaker 2: It's not uncommon for me to have hens come in
- 6:04Speaker 2: and lay down with my decoys or sit and call
- 6:07Speaker 2: to them for an hour or two. If you think
- 6:10Speaker 2: that isn't something you want as a turkey hunter, then
- 6:12Speaker 2: you need to get your head checked. My friends, having
- 6:15Speaker 2: a real lady or two right there, mixing in and
- 6:18Speaker 2: acting natural while they're making noise, that's a huge benefit.
- 6:23Speaker 2: Now here's the downside to really good looking full body decoys.
- 6:28Speaker 2: They are super cumbersome and can be noisy to carry.
- 6:32Speaker 2: The turkey decoy world hasn't solved the problem of crazy
- 6:35Speaker 2: realistic and ultra portable yet, kind of like the hub
- 6:39Speaker 2: blind world hasn't figured out the problem of being big
- 6:42Speaker 2: enough to house a couple of people comfortably, but not
- 6:45Speaker 2: way a lot. Now you might think you don't need
- 6:49Speaker 2: expensive decoys because you only run and gun for birds
- 6:51Speaker 2: and shoot them at forty five yards with a shotgun.
- 6:54Speaker 2: That's great. I didn't really need good decoys until I
- 6:57Speaker 2: started bow hunting birds, but It's also a game changer
- 7:00Speaker 2: with kids, and when I take out new hunters, your
- 7:03Speaker 2: mileage may vary. But my experience with new hunters and
- 7:06Speaker 2: scouting spots is that the final straw is always a
- 7:10Speaker 2: good decoy setup. And on that note, you're probably thinking
- 7:14Speaker 2: about the different kinds of Tom, Jake and Hen decoys.
- 7:18Speaker 2: The primary Tom decoy you're gonna find is a full strutter,
- 7:22Speaker 2: And this is a decoy I'll admit I don't really
- 7:26Speaker 2: like very much. I'm an opportunistic turkey hunter, so I
- 7:29Speaker 2: don't want a bunch of Jakes and two year old
- 7:31Speaker 2: skirting me because they don't want to mess with the
- 7:34Speaker 2: boss man. Now, if you can hunt early, say anywhere
- 7:39Speaker 2: in March or the first half of April, maybe the
- 7:41Speaker 2: first couple weeks of April anyway, as a rough guide,
- 7:45Speaker 2: and you can scout out a flock that is sticking together,
- 7:49Speaker 2: a full strutter can almost be unfair. I don't find
- 7:53Speaker 2: this situation very often, but when I do, the biggest
- 7:56Speaker 2: Tom in the flock almost always can't handle it. He
- 8:00Speaker 2: sees a full strutter with a few Hens in a
- 8:02Speaker 2: spot he planned to take his girlfriends through. He's not
- 8:05Speaker 2: going to put up with it. This is so fun
- 8:08Speaker 2: in the right situation, but you also need to be
- 8:11Speaker 2: prepared for a lot of drive buys from birds that
- 8:13Speaker 2: don't want to tussle with the king. This is not
- 8:16Speaker 2: to say you can't put a full strutter out at
- 8:18Speaker 2: any time in the season and have birds come in.
- 8:21Speaker 2: They are dumb birds, so sometimes anything goes. I'm just
- 8:24Speaker 2: giving you my thoughts from my experience. Now, while I
- 8:28Speaker 2: might not use a full strutter too often, I use
- 8:32Speaker 2: a jake almost every single time I hunt. In fact,
- 8:35Speaker 2: the only time I might not use a jake is
- 8:37Speaker 2: either in real late May maybe or when I'm running
- 8:42Speaker 2: and gunning public land and I don't want to get
- 8:43Speaker 2: shot in the face because I don't know exactly where
- 8:46Speaker 2: I'll have to set up at any given moment. Jake
- 8:48Speaker 2: decoys are your friends. My favorite is a quarter strut
- 8:53Speaker 2: submissive looking jake. That kind of a decoy with a
- 8:56Speaker 2: lay down hen is often all you will ever need.
- 9:00Speaker 2: This is the decoy that seems to give the most
- 9:02Speaker 2: real birds the most confidence. If you only have a
- 9:06Speaker 2: little budget for decoys, get yourself a quarter strutter first. Now,
- 9:11Speaker 2: there are several other jake options out there, and I
- 9:14Speaker 2: think I've used them all. I do like a breeding jake,
- 9:17Speaker 2: especially in April, and especially if it has a white head.
- 9:20Speaker 2: I had a really good turkey hunter from Mississippi tell
- 9:23Speaker 2: me a long time ago that he paints the heads
- 9:26Speaker 2: on all of his decoys white because that's the color
- 9:28Speaker 2: of Tom's head turns when he's right about to breed.
- 9:32Speaker 2: I'm not a turkey biologist, but I guess maybe that
- 9:34Speaker 2: has something to do with the blood supply. A head
- 9:36Speaker 2: and south for a bit. Anyway, your jake decoy is
- 9:41Speaker 2: the anchor to the whole set. It's where most of
- 9:45Speaker 2: the approaching birds are going to focus. If you're bow hunting,
- 9:48Speaker 2: that means he should be positioned close. For me, that's
- 9:52Speaker 2: no more than ten yards. For gun hunting, I love
- 9:55Speaker 2: the twenty to twenty five yard mark if they come
- 9:58Speaker 2: right in their toast. If they get cagy and hold
- 10:01Speaker 2: up twenty yards back from the jake still pretty much toast.
- 10:05Speaker 2: The point I want to make is that jake matters
- 10:08Speaker 2: the most, so position him for your shot. Now. I
- 10:21Speaker 2: almost never ever put a jake out without a lay
- 10:25Speaker 2: down hen as well, just make sure you put her
- 10:28Speaker 2: right beneath him and push him down right over her
- 10:32Speaker 2: if you have to use a gopher mound or pile
- 10:34Speaker 2: up some grass or whatever to make her a little
- 10:36Speaker 2: bit more visible. If you think that Tom's holding up
- 10:40Speaker 2: at seventy five one hundred yards might not be able
- 10:42Speaker 2: to see her. And as far as adding extra hens
- 10:45Speaker 2: to the whole thing, think about it this way. From
- 10:49Speaker 2: winter until late spring, the birds will go from big
- 10:53Speaker 2: flocks to solo. As a hunter, you want to factor
- 10:57Speaker 2: that into your spreads. For me, this means my early
- 11:00Speaker 2: season decoy spreads might have up to five or six
- 11:04Speaker 2: decoys in them, while my late season spreads might be
- 11:07Speaker 2: a party of one or two at the most. Now,
- 11:10Speaker 2: if you go the more is better route, let's say
- 11:13Speaker 2: in early April, you'll want to consider something that people
- 11:17Speaker 2: often get wrong about decoys, which is which direction they
- 11:21Speaker 2: are facing. Go watch a wild flock of turkey's feed,
- 11:25Speaker 2: and even though at any given moment the birds might
- 11:27Speaker 2: individually go one way or another, as a whole, they
- 11:31Speaker 2: tend to move all in the same direction. I often
- 11:35Speaker 2: see people put out two hens facing totally opposite directions,
- 11:39Speaker 2: and then they put a jake between them. Listen, you
- 11:43Speaker 2: can kill turkeys this way. They are dumb ish. But
- 11:47Speaker 2: if you hunt pressured birds or you don't want to
- 11:50Speaker 2: give them a reason to question your setup, think about
- 11:53Speaker 2: how actual turkeys feed and move across the landscape together.
- 11:57Speaker 2: And on that note, for a setup and a fee,
- 12:00Speaker 2: i might spread them out a little bit, but they'll
- 12:03Speaker 2: all be facing the same way. If I'm on a
- 12:05Speaker 2: logging road or in a spot where they would naturally
- 12:08Speaker 2: revert to single file travel, the hens go first and
- 12:11Speaker 2: the last bird is the jake. Think about this. If
- 12:15Speaker 2: you're hunting close to a roost in the evening, the
- 12:18Speaker 2: birds will feed and mill around and then all of
- 12:20Speaker 2: a sudden decide to all walk in single file to
- 12:23Speaker 2: get to the roost. They do this in the mornings
- 12:25Speaker 2: and just sometimes when they are on the move. The
- 12:28Speaker 2: more natural you're spread is, the higher odds you have
- 12:31Speaker 2: of calling in birds. It's really that simpole. It's also
- 12:36Speaker 2: worth considering what your decoys represent. Are you in a
- 12:40Speaker 2: well scouted spot where they're staging up before they go
- 12:43Speaker 2: to roost, so they expect to see a bird here
- 12:46Speaker 2: and one there, Or are you on the edge of
- 12:48Speaker 2: a field at first light where the birds should fly
- 12:50Speaker 2: down and walk out to the groceries In that case,
- 12:54Speaker 2: the decoys should all look like they are walking out
- 12:56Speaker 2: into the field reverse that in the evening. I know
- 13:00Speaker 2: this might seem like I'm overthinking things, but I believe
- 13:03Speaker 2: something about turkeys. It's that if you give them a
- 13:06Speaker 2: reason to trust their judgment when it comes to survival,
- 13:09Speaker 2: they will. I also believe that this stuff happens in
- 13:12Speaker 2: small increments, and it's up to the birds to decide
- 13:16Speaker 2: when he or she has had enough. So look at
- 13:19Speaker 2: it this way, Maybe some approaching toms would forgive the
- 13:22Speaker 2: fact that all of the early morning birds look like
- 13:25Speaker 2: they are coming from the field and heading to the woods,
- 13:27Speaker 2: which wouldn't make much sense, but it might cause them
- 13:31Speaker 2: to question things just a little bit, you know, and
- 13:34Speaker 2: slow down their approach. Then maybe they catch a sunlight
- 13:37Speaker 2: flare off the top of e or blind which is
- 13:40Speaker 2: in a huge deal. But now that's two things that
- 13:42Speaker 2: have tripped their brain a little bit. Or maybe they
- 13:45Speaker 2: hear your bottom limb tink against your chair while they
- 13:48Speaker 2: are sixty yards out. The birds that aren't dead set
- 13:52Speaker 2: on committing, you know, come hell or high water might decide,
- 13:55Speaker 2: you know, what, enough is enough? And I always think,
- 13:58Speaker 2: why risk it if you don't have to now. Movement
- 14:02Speaker 2: is another thing to consider with decoys, but I'll be honest,
- 14:05Speaker 2: I don't really want my decoys to move. I've used
- 14:08Speaker 2: a bunch of them over the years that were fitted
- 14:10Speaker 2: on steaks that allowed me to pull a string and
- 14:12Speaker 2: move them, and have never really had a positive response,
- 14:17Speaker 2: you know, at least enough to get me to care
- 14:19Speaker 2: or think that this was the reason that they were
- 14:21Speaker 2: coming in. I've also had decoys go spinning or flying
- 14:24Speaker 2: in the wind, which really doesn't help your chances of
- 14:26Speaker 2: killing one if it's gonna be windy. I put two
- 14:29Speaker 2: sticks in the ground right by the tails of my
- 14:31Speaker 2: decoys that are on steaks. I might leave, you know,
- 14:35Speaker 2: enough play for them to swivel an inch or two,
- 14:37Speaker 2: but nothing more than that. There's nothing more unnatural looking
- 14:41Speaker 2: than when you set up a flock and one of
- 14:43Speaker 2: the hens decides to do the old decoy twirl and
- 14:46Speaker 2: she ends up a little cock eyed and looking directly
- 14:48Speaker 2: away from the spread. Again. On some birds, that might
- 14:52Speaker 2: not even register. But I say, why risk it now?
- 14:57Speaker 2: I've talked quite a bit about using multiple decos on
- 15:00Speaker 2: a setup, but what if you want to be mobile
- 15:02Speaker 2: and running gun For me? I tend to almost always
- 15:06Speaker 2: carry a jake with that lay down hen, or sometimes
- 15:08Speaker 2: it's just a feeding or upright hen. I prefer the
- 15:11Speaker 2: jake with a lay down hen because I know I'm
- 15:14Speaker 2: going to be calling, so I figure I represent an
- 15:17Speaker 2: unseen hen in that scenario. But the truth is you
- 15:20Speaker 2: probably wouldn't ever need anything more than a good looking jake,
- 15:23Speaker 2: decoy or solo hen to seal the deal. That is,
- 15:28Speaker 2: you know, until the season draws down and the pressure
- 15:31Speaker 2: gets to the birds and the peak breeding is in
- 15:33Speaker 2: the rear view mirror and the bugs are everywhere and
- 15:36Speaker 2: the turkeys are totally scattered across the landscape. In this situation,
- 15:41Speaker 2: I often pare down to a single hen, even if
- 15:43Speaker 2: I'm still bow hunting from a blind. When the bugs
- 15:47Speaker 2: are out and the weather is super nice, the birds
- 15:50Speaker 2: have so many options for food. The hens also are
- 15:54Speaker 2: most likely nesting pretty hard, which means you tend to
- 15:57Speaker 2: see birds together early in the morning in small groups,
- 16:00Speaker 2: but often solo by mid morning. That's my time to shine,
- 16:05Speaker 2: and it often requires just a single hen as long
- 16:08Speaker 2: as you put her somewhere visible and you make the
- 16:10Speaker 2: sounds that hens make when they are interested in company.
- 16:13Speaker 2: It's really all you need. I've shot plenty of late
- 16:17Speaker 2: May birds with Jake decoys too, but it just seems
- 16:20Speaker 2: like it's a neutral to negative addition in my experience.
- 16:24Speaker 2: I've covered quite a bit of decoy talk so far,
- 16:26Speaker 2: so let me wrap this up with one more thought.
- 16:29Speaker 2: If you use good decoys and think through your spreads,
- 16:33Speaker 2: give them the time to work. Even the best decoys
- 16:37Speaker 2: and the best calling won't get birds into your spread
- 16:39Speaker 2: every time, you know, like when it's sunrise in early
- 16:42Speaker 2: April and still super cold, and the birds first need
- 16:45Speaker 2: to get some calories in their crops before they try
- 16:47Speaker 2: to make little turkeys. But here's the thing. If those
- 16:52Speaker 2: seemingly uninterested birds see the decoys and don't come in right,
- 16:55Speaker 2: then there's a really good chance they'll swing through later.
- 17:00Speaker 2: I don't know how many times I've had birds see
- 17:02Speaker 2: my decoys and act like they didn't care at all
- 17:05Speaker 2: as they walked over the ridge and out of my life,
- 17:08Speaker 2: only to have them filter back through an hour or
- 17:10Speaker 2: two or even four hours later. I think deer and
- 17:14Speaker 2: turkeys both do this. I think they have a good
- 17:17Speaker 2: enough memory to remember that they saw something interesting, even
- 17:21Speaker 2: if they didn't immediately engage in it. Think about how
- 17:24Speaker 2: often your dog will remember where an interesting gopher hole
- 17:28Speaker 2: is or where they found a half eaten twinkie and
- 17:31Speaker 2: a bush seven years ago. Patience is the final key
- 17:35Speaker 2: to decoying turkeys right into your spread. I mean this
- 17:39Speaker 2: even though it might suck to think about, and even
- 17:42Speaker 2: though it's easy to get up and go try to
- 17:44Speaker 2: chase gobbles if you hadn't had a bird commit in
- 17:47Speaker 2: the last few minutes. But if you hunt pressured birds
- 17:51Speaker 2: or don't have tons of acres to roam, waiting them
- 17:54Speaker 2: out and letting realistic looking decoys do much of the
- 17:57Speaker 2: heavy lifting for you, it's often the best strategy. And remember,
- 18:02Speaker 2: pay attention to all the birds that interact with your decoys.
- 18:05Speaker 2: The hens that swing through might not make a sound,
- 18:08Speaker 2: or they might purr and cluck a little, or they
- 18:11Speaker 2: might flat out start cutting and try to knock out
- 18:14Speaker 2: one of your hen decoys. All of those types of
- 18:16Speaker 2: interactions should inform your calling strategy, which is what I'm
- 18:20Speaker 2: going to talk about later this week when I drop
- 18:22Speaker 2: another turkey centric episode. That's it for this show, but
- 18:28Speaker 2: not this week. Pay attention cause you're gonna be getting
- 18:31Speaker 2: a lot of Foundations episodes this week, and as always,
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