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Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: "That Was Just Jalen Carter Being Jalen Carter" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to Inside the Tape. On Inside the Birds,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher and with me is Greg Cosell and
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  Speaker 1: Greg always breaks down the tape of the eagles last game,
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  Speaker 1: which was a thirteen to twelve win in Buffalo over
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  Speaker 1: the Bills. And if you thought the Eagles defense had
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  Speaker 1: been playing really well, then you came out of that game,
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  Speaker 1: Greg thinking they are playing on another level because they
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  Speaker 1: certainly answered a challenge of basically having the game put
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  Speaker 1: on their shoulders in the entire second half. We went
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  Speaker 1: through in the last episode the offensive struggles on the
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  Speaker 1: second half, and that asked the defense to basically win
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  Speaker 1: the game, which it did. So what were your biggest
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  Speaker 1: takeaways from strategically what the Eagles did and how they
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  Speaker 1: operated against the Bills.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they probably felt that they could stop
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  Speaker 2: the run just with their normal defense, which was pretty
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  Speaker 2: much the case. I mean, you know, I think Cook's
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  Speaker 2: long run was ten yards. He didn't have horrible numbers,
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  Speaker 2: but there was no big explosive plays in the run game,
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  Speaker 2: which is something that they normally get. I thought, and
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  Speaker 2: we actually mentioned this, but I'll mention it again because
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  Speaker 2: now we're talking defense. I thought they I didn't chart
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  Speaker 2: at Jeff, but it seemed to me just anecdotally watching
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  Speaker 2: the tape that they featured a higher percentage of stunt concepts.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that was opponents specific because those offensive
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  Speaker 2: guards Edwards and Torrents are not lateral athletes and they
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  Speaker 2: struggle to redirect in past protection. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: was clearly game and opponents specific. And the reality is
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  Speaker 2: when you play the Bills, there's a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: you know going in based on studying the Bills offense.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, they don't really have whiteouts who can win
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  Speaker 2: one on one, so they don't play an offense that
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  Speaker 2: as that can do that. So it becomes very schematic
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  Speaker 2: and not schematic intermediately or vertically schematic, very condensed. That's
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  Speaker 2: what the tape shows that their offense is. You know,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously they had a good record and they win games,
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  Speaker 2: and Josh Allen in games can be unbelievably special, but
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  Speaker 2: they're not really a consistency to sustaining pass offense. You know,
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  Speaker 2: his his yardage totals this year or I believe the
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  Speaker 2: lowest of his career, so you know, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 2: not I think you know, a lot of things about
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  Speaker 2: their past game when you go in and you know
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  Speaker 2: what the Eagles have done all year, but it's even
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  Speaker 2: shows up even more in a game like this is
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  Speaker 2: the way they just let Mitchell even in zone concepts
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  Speaker 2: basically play zero man when it's a three by one
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  Speaker 2: set on the boundary X. The Bills, you're not really
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  Speaker 2: worried about the boundary X.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, I mean this is the Bills. Have we
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  Speaker 1: talked about in the pregame show.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you're right right, Cooks out there, you're in
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  Speaker 3: eternal Shapers out there.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have Talton Kincaid. What kind of impact do
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  Speaker 1: you think that had on what they like to do offensive?
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  Speaker 2: A lot? Yeah, in Caids arguably their best receiver, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and Shakir's good, but he's a certain kind of player,
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  Speaker 2: So I think it had a lot to do. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's they're just limited in the past game. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I said when we spoke about the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles offense, I think people just expect that Josh Allen
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  Speaker 2: can can you know, play quarterback, wide receiver, offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's and he's a special player,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, at some point you do need help.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let's talk about Jill and Carter coming back from
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  Speaker 1: a three games off. He obviously had a sack and
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  Speaker 1: he blocked a major pat which was huge in the game.
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  Speaker 1: But over the course of however many snaps it was,
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  Speaker 1: how did you feel like he played pretty well?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, obviously he had the sack where
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  Speaker 2: he just shoved Torrents right back into the pocket. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's just Jalen Carter being Jalen Carter, strength on contact.
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  Speaker 2: Then a very subtle sort of club arm over move,
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  Speaker 2: which you know I had to watch a number of
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  Speaker 2: times because it was very subtle. But you know, I
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  Speaker 2: thought his presence was there. You know, yeah, he tackles.
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  Speaker 2: You have to understand. You know this, I'm just speaking
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  Speaker 2: even when I watch college players. You know, you can
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  Speaker 2: look at a statue and see a college D tackle
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  Speaker 2: have one tackle and people probably think he had a
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  Speaker 2: bad game, and then you put on the tape and
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  Speaker 2: he dominated the game, right, you know, D tackles don't
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  Speaker 2: I mean, his last year at George he had something
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  Speaker 2: like thirty tackles. D tackles don't necessarily make a lot
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  Speaker 2: of tackles.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, correct, And actually I watched that sack as well
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  Speaker 1: and noticed the subtleness of the arm over move, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought it showed that he was comfortable enough to
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  Speaker 1: be You know, you have to swing your your right
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  Speaker 1: arm like a club right, That's why I call it
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  Speaker 1: club arm over. And maybe he might not have been
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  Speaker 1: able to do that a couple of weeks ago with
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  Speaker 1: his shoulder bothering him. But I also thought, if it
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  Speaker 1: was the way it was not an exaggerated move, that
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's still a little bit restricted, which he's told
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  Speaker 1: sporters he's not one hundred percent. He said it felt better,
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  Speaker 1: but he's not one percent.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I thought a Jomo had a really good
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  Speaker 2: sack on the second possession, another strong snapshot of one
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  Speaker 2: on one domination. This was against Edwards, the left guard.
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  Speaker 2: He initiated contact and extended his arms, generating power in
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  Speaker 2: his upper and lower body. I also thought they had
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  Speaker 2: a really good feel. You know, one thing about the
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  Speaker 2: Bills that I see on tape is and if I
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  Speaker 2: notice it, can you imagine how defense is playing against them?
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  Speaker 2: Notice it? But sometimes it works for the Bills. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it depends on the situation. But they run certain things like,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, they really like to run Cook. James Cook
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  Speaker 2: threw the line of scrimmage on rail routes, okay, and
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  Speaker 2: they've had great success doing that going back, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years and they tried that, and it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's a staple Man beater concept because very
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  Speaker 2: often the linebacker that has to play Cook gets caught
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  Speaker 2: up in traffic.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know the play I'm talking about, Bond did such
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  Speaker 2: a good job. He you know, the Eagles rushed five
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  Speaker 2: and they played cover one. Bonn had eyes on Cook
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  Speaker 2: matching him right away. Didn't didn't hug up and get caught.
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  Speaker 2: He stayed at the second level and and just matched
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  Speaker 2: it beautifully. And Alan made the throw because that's the
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  Speaker 2: play call. But it was incomplete. I can't tell you
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  Speaker 2: how many times I've seen that play work for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said that was the Cook right down down, Yeah, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was. It was. I thought it was.
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking to myself, this is like three or
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  Speaker 1: four times that we have talked about his ability to
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  Speaker 1: either chase someone down or run with someone who should
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  Speaker 1: be theoretically a lot faster than him. Is his athleticism,
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  Speaker 1: which we talk about sideline sideline ranginess, but even getting
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  Speaker 1: down the field is really something to behold for a
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  Speaker 1: guy that big.
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  Speaker 2: Right, No, it was, well, he's a great pass defender. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's That was just a play, really good play.
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  Speaker 1: Now Campbell. So Campbell played Johangah camp welcome. He played right,
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  Speaker 1: and Nikobe Dean sat was he used similarly? I know
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  Speaker 1: he rushed a lot in five man pressures.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, I don't know all the tweaks,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I can't speak to that, but I thought
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  Speaker 2: he played well, you know, they used him at times
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  Speaker 2: as a rusher. There were some four man you know.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is is they people probably can look at
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  Speaker 2: the stats as I'm sure you do and see that
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  Speaker 2: they had I think it's set on true media, which
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  Speaker 2: which I look at that they had nine to five
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  Speaker 2: man pressures, but some of those came from a five
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  Speaker 2: man D line. I don't view that as pressure. You
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  Speaker 2: know that that's me He's not a blitz. But you know, so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so that number is less than nine to me.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I'm like you, I kind of it's got to
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  Speaker 1: be at least a five or more man rushed to.
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  Speaker 2: Be Yeah, you know, it's got to come from like
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  Speaker 2: second level or you know. Yeah, so they didn't blitz
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  Speaker 2: a lot. They did a number of sim pressures. And
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  Speaker 2: when they do their sim pressures, it's always Barner Campbell
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  Speaker 2: as the fourth rusher. They never used DB's it's always
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  Speaker 2: Barner Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. How was you? I got asked this a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times, and I don't know. The Bills did
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  Speaker 1: not get a lot of great pass plays that were
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  Speaker 1: meant to be the way they were. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: fifty yarder was beautiful. The Shaver's catch was pinned against
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  Speaker 1: his helmet.
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  Speaker 2: That was thrown. That was alan kind of throwing to
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  Speaker 2: the one on one on the outside when he when
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  Speaker 2: there was pressure and he was moving right.
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  Speaker 1: How would you say that the two safeties who are
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  Speaker 1: not great athletes but good quod smart football players played
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  Speaker 1: in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I really liked Blanket Ship in this game. And
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  Speaker 2: I think Apps has been really savvy and solid, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, you wouldn't call him a playmaker, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's assignment.
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  Speaker 1: Sound assignments sound good. Okay, because some people thought that
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  Speaker 1: maybe they got exposed a little bit because there were
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  Speaker 1: some downfield throws, but I mean those those.
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  Speaker 2: Are no, I mean I can tell you what happened
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  Speaker 2: on on the fifty order.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's save that because we'll take a look at it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, we'll start taking a look at some some
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  Speaker 3: clips right now. And what we're gonna start with, Greg
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  Speaker 3: is the double stunt.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that led to.
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  Speaker 2: The Hunt Sack. The double stunt, right, Yeah, I mean this.
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  Speaker 1: Is just I know there's different types. Explain the double
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  Speaker 1: stunt concept.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that means there's a stunt on each side of
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  Speaker 2: the D line. They're both what we call te stunts,
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  Speaker 2: which means the tackle goes first, he's the picker or
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  Speaker 2: the penetrator, and then the end loops behind him. And
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  Speaker 2: here the center went to the right side, so on
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  Speaker 2: the left side down below, when the guard Edwards goes
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  Speaker 2: too far outside, he expands too far with no recognition
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  Speaker 2: of the stunt, and then Hunt is the looper and
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  Speaker 2: he loops inside through the B gap and there's no
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  Speaker 2: one there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can see at the time of the looping
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  Speaker 1: that the guard is so you know, invested in I
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  Speaker 1: think at the joemo that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're an empty so it's almost a.
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  Speaker 1: Clear it's almost like a free ride.
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  Speaker 3: For Yeah, Hunt, I thought I had a good game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what'd you think of Hunt?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think Hunt's been playing well. I he's
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  Speaker 2: I thought he played really well in this game. Overall,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's coming on, and you know, I think,
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  Speaker 2: I know there's still plenty of time this year, but
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  Speaker 2: I think starting next year, he's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: really good player.
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  Speaker 1: I agree that I feel like you're starting to put
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  Speaker 1: together things mentally to go to go along with the athleticism.
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  Speaker 1: And I agree that your athleticism just naturally flashes and
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  Speaker 1: shines through.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, taking away nothing from Nolan Smith, you know,
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  Speaker 2: who's obviously had success. This guy's a bigger, bigger athlete,
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  Speaker 2: and and probably just as good an athlete, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and and he's just longer, bigger, you know, more naturally powerful.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's got all that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, here's a good here's the end zone view, which
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  Speaker 1: where you see the left guard just he doesn't even
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  Speaker 1: rotate at all. I mean, that's that was not well
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  Speaker 1: picked up.
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  Speaker 2: No, all right, So.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be the fifty yard pass play
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  Speaker 1: to Brandon Cooks that I'm going to have you diagnosed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can tell you know what happened,
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  Speaker 2: and I know for a fact what happened. So they're
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  Speaker 2: playing Nickel cover eight, which means they're playing a cover
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  Speaker 2: two up top and quarters down below. Okay, So what
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  Speaker 2: happens here is in this particular formation that the Bills show. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this kind of bunch. It's three there, it's a bunch.
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  Speaker 2: So two things have to happen. See what they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to do here is versus cover two. They're trying to
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  Speaker 2: put Apps in a little bit of a conflict because Apps,
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  Speaker 2: as a cover two safety can't defend two verticals. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's you know he can't, So I can cover three
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  Speaker 2: with a post safety. He can't defend two steam routes
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  Speaker 2: on either side of him. So APPS can't can't defend
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  Speaker 2: two vertical routes. So this is not something the Bills
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  Speaker 2: do very often, by the way, So I think the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles got caught just a little bit. So what has
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  Speaker 2: to happen here because of that is Degene has to
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  Speaker 2: carry one of the verticals further than he did. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so if you run it, you'll see that the Gene
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  Speaker 2: starts and then kind of lets him go.
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  Speaker 1: Like right here, he's letting it right. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So because the backside blankenship, he's got to proach
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  Speaker 2: the dig route. So therefore you get two on one
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  Speaker 2: versus Epps, and he's expanded, you know. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to say too far, you know, outside, because I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what they specifically call his landmark, but ultimately with
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  Speaker 2: Degene letting him go, EPP's kind of gets caught.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, we'll place ball. Yeah, he was just right.
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  Speaker 2: So well, place ball, because that's a throw where you
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  Speaker 2: have to take him across the field, not vertically up
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  Speaker 2: the field. I've seen too many quarterbacks on these throws
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  Speaker 2: throw it up the field and then Apps would have
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  Speaker 2: been able to make a play. You've got to take
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  Speaker 2: him across the field, and Allen does.
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  Speaker 1: Right as soon as the outside receiver starts to break in.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the clue to Epps that that ball is
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  Speaker 1: going to.
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  Speaker 2: Go to Yeah, and he does move, but he can't
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  Speaker 2: move until the guy breaks.
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  Speaker 1: In right, and so that just gives him Joseph's cover two.
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  Speaker 2: So the corner who that's to the field right, I
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  Speaker 2: believe that was the field yep. So that's Jackson. He's
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  Speaker 2: the flat defender. He's not a vertical defender and cover.
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  Speaker 1: Too, right, right, So there you go, good route concept.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah they got him.
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  Speaker 1: It happens, sure, all right, but like.
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  Speaker 2: I said, it's not something that bills show very often.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, all right, some pressure. We mentioned pressure
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  Speaker 1: and how they used Jihad Campbell. This is going to
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  Speaker 1: be some pressure that leads to an incomplete past. The
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  Speaker 1: palmer over the middle you were called this one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, where Alan with his strength kind of shook
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  Speaker 2: off the pressure and then tried and tried to throw
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  Speaker 2: and it didn't come out right because you know it
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  Speaker 2: was everything was happening.
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  Speaker 1: So fast, right and this so that's bone right coming
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  Speaker 1: as the fifth man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see. Was Yeah, there's a five man pressure yep,
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  Speaker 2: and no one picked him up.
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  Speaker 1: So that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Go back, okay, So with the back leaving there, it
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  Speaker 2: becomes empty right now. This is one of those where
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  Speaker 2: I always when I watch plays like this think of
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  Speaker 2: the old Buddy Ryan BTF Blitz to Formation m H,
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  Speaker 2: which we wrote about in great detail in the book
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  Speaker 2: I did with Jaworski, you know, about ten twelve years ago.
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  Speaker 2: That was a big thing with Buddy Ryan where you
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily have a pressure called. But if the offense
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  Speaker 2: gives you a formation where you know you can get
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  Speaker 2: a pressure like like in other words, if the back
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  Speaker 2: stayed in, would Bond have bled?
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  Speaker 1: It's good call, right, don't No, I'm just no, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but as soon as the back leaves Bonn you know, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going And notice how as soon as Bawn leaves
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  Speaker 2: the safety to that side whose apps because he's the
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  Speaker 2: field safety, he comes down because he's now.
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  Speaker 1: Going to match the back right now. Surprise, I guess
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  Speaker 1: they didn't. The Bills just did not see this coming
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  Speaker 1: at all. They didn't have any kind of check in
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  Speaker 1: place to take.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what their checks are, you know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and then amazingly, Alan almost I mean he gets
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  Speaker 1: the pass off and probably.
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  Speaker 2: Wobble and you know it was a little behind him
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  Speaker 2: right right.
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  Speaker 1: So on the next one we have, this is third
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  Speaker 1: and fifteen where Phillips I believe lines up as a joker.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I think corners the white nine here, isn't he?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So I was gonna, I mean I always told
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  Speaker 1: why nine was like if there's a second tight end,
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  Speaker 1: you imagine that and you're on the outside that we.
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  Speaker 2: Refer to it, you know, but but Carter's the defensive
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  Speaker 2: end here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Carter and Smith's outside of over left tackle. You're correct,
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  Speaker 1: which sometimes I think is gonna portend a stunt, but
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  Speaker 1: in this case it really didn't, and it looked like
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  Speaker 1: was Phillips sort of.
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  Speaker 2: This is just this the accumulation of pressure. This is
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  Speaker 2: Alan just knowing that I've been under drest all game
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  Speaker 2: and it's coming and you know, I don't forget. He's
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  Speaker 2: got a bad foot too, Yes, so you know he
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  Speaker 2: goes brilliant. He knows he can't sit in the pocket
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  Speaker 2: and wait.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, He got hit pretty good at the end
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  Speaker 1: of that, I believe by Nolan Smith. Yeah, I thought
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the Eagles greg even when they didn't maybe hit him
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: or sack him, just collapsing the pocket. They're doing a
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: really good job. That makes the quarterback feel the pressure there.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's feeling it.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to throw off his back foot. But
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: we've seen Phillips now as a joker maybe once you're
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: twice again, if not a game, a couple on a
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: teple occasions. I think because of his ability to play
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: inside and outside. That also might be why they're stunting
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit more as well. They've got guys who
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: can play for you know, with Brandon ram out there,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: who've played both the inside and the outside and can
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: move laterally.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean this is just the cumulative effective pressure.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: You know, quarterbacks are human beings.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Right, this is a completion, But you felt this could
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: have been a.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Touchdown, should have been a touchdown, should have been a hind.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Of Okay, what happened to? How do they set this up?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Well? This is the Eagles are playing man here if
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken. Let me see start to run it?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Uh not? Sure? Looks at Yeah, it looks manish overall,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: but I think there's I think there's some match elements
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: to this. Okay, so they run Shakir it's basically man inside.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: So they run mesh inside and you know, no one really,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: no one cuts him, no one jumps him. So he's
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: wide open right now. Is that Jackson who's trying to
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: catch up to him?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: It is someone someone also fell and around.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Him because I think that's a double number, not an eight.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: But look where the ball is.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Hold on once say, I still want to get that
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: guy see who that is.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I think it might be Apps.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: It's Apps, Yeah, yeahs. And he's coming across.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: He's he's trying to what we call cut the crosser,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: but he's a beat late.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Right here.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Now look at your gear. He has to turn his
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: whole body inside. If that ball is right out in
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: front of him, he's a walk in touchdown. Yep.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: It leads him.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And this was the drive where they didn't score, where
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Bond tackled Allen, you know at the half yard line.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I would have been a walking touchdown.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So what's your favorite phrase? Game of interest? Game of fractions?
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: If he throws ball just a little bit, if he
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: just leads him the right way.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: This made me think of the time I got to
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: spend with Bill Walsh out in San Francisco when I
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: was doing a piece for NFL Films, when I obviously
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: got to know Bill waltsh very well, and all his
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: guys had retired, but we were doing the piece and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: he brought out in Montana, Rice Roger Craig, and we're
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: doing this piece out there and Walsh is still coaching
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: him up like he's their coach. Everybody's retired and he's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: telling Joe, Joe, the ball's got to be you know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: where the ball has to be. Practice, if the ball
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't where, you know, it wasn't out.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Front, right right? All right, last thing I wanted to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: take a look at if we if I can, Yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: we have the sack from Jill and Carter that we mentioned,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the subtle one.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: This is just one on one domination. This was the
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: one where he just blows up Torrents.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, towards a pretty good left card too. Right, he
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: just doesn't right guard right guard.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a mall or more than a great
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: path not a bad pass protector. But his strength more
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: is run blocking. This is it's a better run blocking
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: line than it is a past protecting line.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Sure, and to your point on the move, he doesn't
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: immediately hit Torrents with immediate arm over. Some guys will
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: swim right off the line of scrimmage.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: No, because he felt that he moved him, so he
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: didn't need to do it right away. Because I'm sure
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: he felt that he won the physical battle on contact.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yep, And just to sort of shed it, he brings
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that arm slightly over this one.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Alan had no chance, right And yeah, he gets flattened.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: It was such an odd game because and again not
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  Speaker 2: to joke, we joked in the last one about they
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: know how to win, but the fact that Allan missed
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that throw, which he never misses any you know, again,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: who knows why, you know. But and then the Eagles
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: lose a game that they really totally dominated, and it
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: would have been very odd to talk about, but they won.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: The game, you know, right right.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I wonder what they're feeling is going to be with
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the way the offense played about playing this week, because
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you know, theoretically they could be the number two seed,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm sure they played the same time
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: as the Bears. That's what the league does do, so
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I would assume the Bears are going to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: play people. I don't think they want to drop off.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's some just interesting thoughts about it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know that resting players's key. I kind
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of think having that second home game, which you would
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: get in the second round if you were the number
• 24:50
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• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It's hard to win at the link in January.
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• 24:59
  Speaker 1: an airplane. I mean, I think all those things are
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: beneficial enough to want to play for it. But a
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  Speaker 1: coach has to know his own team and if it
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: feels like he's got guys that are so beat up
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that if you gave him an extra week of.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Wrestling, if a guy has a nagging injury, you might
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: want to sit.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Him, of course.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: And you know, the Eagles one of the best road
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: They have the best road record in football since it
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni took.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, so the question is what do
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you do, like with Jaylen Hurts, what do you do
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: with the aj Browns and the you know, the guys
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: who I mean, everybody probably has something at this time
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: of year, but you know, we understand what we're talking
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: about here, guys that really have an injury, right that
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: if it was like a championship game or Super Bowl,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: they play. But do you play in this week?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Right? So I'm curious before we close it out, Greg,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: just because we're getting to the end of the year here.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: This has nothing not a tape based question on this
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: game at all. But having watched the tape of pretty
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: much everyone in the league. Do you have a feel
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: on who you think is the best team in the league.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of an open year, you know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: in that sense. I mean, I think there are some
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: teams that are really strong in certain units, but then
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: there's other units that you don't necessarily from. And this
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: is all tape based what I'm saying. It's not just like, oh,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: a feeling I have. Know it comes out as a feeling,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: but the feeling is based on watching the teams every week.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: You know. It's like Seattle. I love their defense, love
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: their defense. Offensively, they've been very up and down. You know.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Can they be great at any time, yes, but are
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: there games where it just seems like they really struggle
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: because they don't really have any kind of consistent run
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: game right, and their all line can be up and
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: down in past pro So, you know, I look at
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: them and think, if they put it all together in
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: a given game, they can look like a dominant team.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: But I can't sit here and say they're going to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: put it together.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Agreed. Agree, I think the most complete team I've seen,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: because even in their losses, they've played well and just
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: maybe giving up something here or there. As the Rams.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You know, they lost. They lost to the Seahawks. They
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: gave up a punt return that's not doesn't always happen.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Then I think about a team like the Texans, which
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: clearly has a championship defense. I know, the Eagles, if
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: they get that far, I wouldn't play them until the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. But their defense is a championship defense. It's terrific.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And I think the Pico Ryans. And again, I'm not
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a play call guy, so I'm not gonna sit here
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and say I love his play calls, but I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: he does such a good job situationally of attacking offenses.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You know, that's the feeling I get watching his tape. Yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: but offensively they have good players. Their O line is
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: a question for sure. You know Stroud's a great throw
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to the football, but he's one of those quarterbacks that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: needs to be protected. So you know, again you go
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: into a game feeling what's their offense. I mean, look
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: what happened against the Chargers. You know, two big plays
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to start, and then after that it seemed like their
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: offense you know, went away.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting that you mentioned the Chargers that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: game because I sort of feel for them, because I
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: really believe if they had they had their tackles Alt
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and here's the other one, All and Slater, that they
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: would be real, legit Super Bowl contenders. I mean, they're
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: already in the playoffs, are already what eleven or twelve wins,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: are already that. But I I just watched that offensive
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: line and the beating that Herbert takes every game, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: say this is they've already announced.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I mean again, he's not going to play this week,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: which I understand. They're playing the Broncos, who have to win,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: you know, which, Again I understand why they're not playing them,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And look, it's their choice, because to me, that game
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: would be such a good game. I hope they play
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: their defensive guys because I think their defense is good
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and I think they could cause the Broncos some problems.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: But if they can't score, you know, and that's you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: a tough defense to play against. You know, if it's
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: one of those games that the Broncos could win ten
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: to six, then you know that could be that kind
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: of game.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: True. Indeed, Greg, great stuff, thank you, great tape breakdown.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: We got one more, one more game, at least one
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: more regular show.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: No, there'll be more games, obviously one.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: More regular season.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: They're in the playoffs. Yeah, and they're gonna get a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: home game, you know, obviously the first game. Who knows
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: how it plays out. I guess right now they play
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the Rams if it's six versus.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Three, right, which would be a fascinating Rams are not.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: The Rams have no problem playing the Eagles.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, they don't win, but they certainly keep
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it close.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And no, I mean the point is is they don't
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: shut the Rams down.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Correct, I don't think the Rams will be scared. I agree. Yeah,
• 29:38
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