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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Melanie McGuire · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette Presents
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  Speaker 1: Till Death Do Us Part. This is where we discuss
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  Speaker 1: cases that have to do with marital not marital bliss,
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  Speaker 1: marital destruction, marital homicide, marital homicide. So today I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you guys have ever heard of this, but
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Melanie Maguire, who has been
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  Speaker 1: dubbed the suitcase.
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  Speaker 2: Killer, not to be confused with Sarah Boons.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Boone, who is the other suitcase Killer. But Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Boone I believe was not. Were they married. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they were married.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. But they were like together for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, right, So we.
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  Speaker 1: Might actually discuss Sarah Bill, But today we are going
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  Speaker 1: with Melanie McGuire. We're going with the original, the original
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  Speaker 1: suitcase Killer, all right. So Melanie maguire was a New
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  Speaker 1: Jersey nurse and mother of two who was convicted back
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven of murdering her husband Bill
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  Speaker 1: McGuire after he was reported missing in two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 1: His dismembered remains were discovered inside three separate suitcases in
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  Speaker 1: the Chesapeake Bay. Prosecutors argued that she shot him and
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  Speaker 1: attempted to conceal the crime by throwing the suitcases with
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  Speaker 1: his dismembered body parts into the bay. During the investigation,
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  Speaker 1: it was revealed that she had been having an affair
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  Speaker 1: with a coworker. Who do you think the coworker was,
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  Speaker 1: Because she's a.
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  Speaker 2: Nurse, a doctor, a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. The prosecution claims she killed her husband to pursue
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  Speaker 1: a new life, but Melanie has continued to insist that
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  Speaker 1: someone else was responsible for his death up until present days.
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  Speaker 1: She claims that she did not do it and that
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  Speaker 1: they have the wrong person. So we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's decide, let's cover the facts, and we'll decide
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  Speaker 2: if she's the wrong part.
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  Speaker 1: Right at the end of this, I want you to
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  Speaker 1: tell me whether you think they have the right person
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  Speaker 1: or not. Okay, all right, So let's talk little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back in time and talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about their early life and early marriage. This is back
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and four. So
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  Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety nine, Melanie marries Bill McGuire. The
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  Speaker 1: two met when Bill was in a relationship already and
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  Speaker 1: he had cheated on his girlfriend with Melanie. Bill was
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  Speaker 1: also married once before, and his ex wife claims that
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  Speaker 1: he was abusive. I do believe that the ex wife
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  Speaker 1: even tried to warn Melanie about Bill, saying that he
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  Speaker 1: was volatile and abusive and all the things. Melanie and
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  Speaker 1: Bill lived in Woodbridge, New Jersey with their two children.
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  Speaker 1: They had two boys, and Melanie works as a nurse
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  Speaker 1: at a fertility clinic. Bill is a Navy veteran and
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  Speaker 1: adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology. So
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  Speaker 1: that's their careers. So then on April twenty eighth of
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and four, this is the same day that
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  Speaker 1: the couple closes on their new four hundred and fifth
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  Speaker 1: two thousand dollars home and Warren counters for this New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: So they're closing on their home. He disappears the same day.
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  Speaker 2: Very serendipitous.
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  Speaker 1: Serendipitous that that's a big word.
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  Speaker 2: Sarcastic way, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie later says that they argued that he became physical
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  Speaker 1: and that she locked herself in the bathroom before he left,
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  Speaker 1: and then she claims that she never saw him again
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  Speaker 1: after that night.
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  Speaker 2: She probably didn't well wait, yeah, because she killed But
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  Speaker 2: that's her story. So her story is.
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  Speaker 1: They got an argument, he's abusive. She locked herself in
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in a suitcase and I never saw him since
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  Speaker 2: I put it what she did at all. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: to it. We're going to get I just know the
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Boon case so well. I got to make sure
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  Speaker 2: I'm not picturing Sarah Boon.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, get Sarah Boon out of your mind. We were
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  Speaker 1: talking about Melanie Maguire. So many suitcases. So then Bill's
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  Speaker 1: cars found parked outside a hotel in Atlantic study of
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  Speaker 1: the day after his disappearance, a suitcase containing human legs
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  Speaker 1: is found floating in the Chesapeake Bay. This is the
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  Speaker 1: first suitcase that shows up, so they find suitcase has legs,
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  Speaker 1: only legs. Two more suitcases with additional remains are recovered
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  Speaker 1: over the following days. You know, they didn't know who
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  Speaker 1: it was, even though I think they found like his
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  Speaker 1: head and like torso and one suitcase, legs in another suitcase,
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  Speaker 1: and like arms in another suitcase. But they did not
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  Speaker 1: know who. He didn't have his license on him, he
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  Speaker 1: had no identification on him in the suitcase. Authorities determined
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  Speaker 1: that the victim was shot three times with a thirty
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  Speaker 1: eight caliber Revolver, once in the head and twice in
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  Speaker 1: the torso. After a composite sketch's release, the wife of
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  Speaker 1: one of Bill's Navy friends recognizes him as the victim. Melanie,
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  Speaker 1: This is interesting because I feel like you need to
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  Speaker 1: kind of like hone into this. Melanie files for divorce
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  Speaker 1: the same day his body is identified. So they find
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  Speaker 1: the body parts, they don't know who it is, they
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  Speaker 1: sketch it, they release the sketch, he becomes identified, and
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  Speaker 1: the day that he's identified, she files for divorce.
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  Speaker 2: You see, so like it was on the media, in
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  Speaker 2: the media, Yeah, maybe, Like so it reminded her, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: crab file for divorce, been meaning to do that.
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  Speaker 1: After authorities identified Bill's body, Melanie said that she was
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  Speaker 1: devastated when police contacted her.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking, Yeah, but devastated. Why because he's dead or because
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  Speaker 2: he was found?
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  Speaker 1: I know, She's like, damn it, I thought those suitcases
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  Speaker 1: were gonna sink.
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  Speaker 2: Why would a suitcase sink?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, because here's the thing. I think
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  Speaker 1: people think that when you put body parts in the
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  Speaker 1: suitcase and you throw it into the Chesapeake Bay, that
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  Speaker 1: because it's heavy, that it will sink to the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't happen because what happens is the body
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  Speaker 1: it like bloats, it like it becomes full of air
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, and then it floats up to the top.
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  Speaker 2: That was pretty good, just scription that's why.
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  Speaker 1: That's why people put bricks and cement. They like when
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  Speaker 1: they throw bodies into the water. They attached blocks.
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  Speaker 2: She's an idiot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she didn't do enough due diligence, is my point.
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  Speaker 1: After authorities identified Bill's body, Melanie said that she was devastated,
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  Speaker 1: and then speaking to ABC News, she recalled that she
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  Speaker 1: burst into tears and probably saw for about an hour
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  Speaker 1: or so. That is a quote if I how.
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  Speaker 2: Long would you cry if I was found dead?
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  Speaker 1: An hour or so?
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  Speaker 2: How long would you cry if you killed me and
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  Speaker 2: then they found.
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  Speaker 1: Me dead two hours? However, the detective who interviewed her
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  Speaker 1: afterward described a very different impression of her reaction. Detective
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  Speaker 1: Ray Pickle told ABC News that although she appeared to
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  Speaker 1: mimic crying, she never had a tear in her eye. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've seen that before where people cry like
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  Speaker 1: they cry, but there's never they talk about that with housewives.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever like they'll say, like when housewives get emotional,
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  Speaker 1: but sometimes there's no there's no actual tears.
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  Speaker 2: It's not because of the botox.
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  Speaker 1: No, because botox doesn't stop your tear ducks.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't it stop your sweating? I don't. Isn't that what
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  Speaker 2: people do.
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  Speaker 1: In their armpits.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you get botox right in your eyes.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think. I don't think it affects your
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  Speaker 1: tear ducks. I think if your truly emotional tears should
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  Speaker 1: come out. The investigation develops. This is two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: four to two thousand and five. Melanie claims that Bill
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  Speaker 1: had a gambling problem and suggested that he may have
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  Speaker 1: owed money to dangerous people, but no evidence supports this theory. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: a medical blanket in one of the suitcases is trace
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  Speaker 1: back to the fertility clinic where Melanie works. Are you
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  Speaker 1: keeping track of the evidence. I want you to make
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  Speaker 1: a chart in your head and keep track of the evidence.
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  Speaker 2: So far, it's the scale is tipping towards guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so so far we have a thirty eight caliber
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  Speaker 1: revolver that was used, and we've found a medical blanket
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  Speaker 1: in the suitcases that apparently could be tracked back to
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  Speaker 1: the fertility clinic where she works as a nurse.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and it's tied. Yeah, it's not just I'm guessing
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  Speaker 2: it's not just a blanket that looks like like a
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  Speaker 2: standard blanket that's used at metal facilities. They probably, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they somehow matched it to the same like it's the
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  Speaker 2: same fabric, it's the same everything.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe it just was stamped with a fertility clinics name.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, she was. She had a history of stealing
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  Speaker 2: blankets from the facility.
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  Speaker 1: Then the investigators uncover that Melanie was having a two
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  Speaker 1: year affair with doctor Bradley Miller, who was also married
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  Speaker 1: to People magazine. Melanie told ABC News that she was
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  Speaker 1: deeply in love with her coworker, but that they had
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  Speaker 1: no plans to divorce their spouses because the children come first.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't she file for divorce?
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  Speaker 1: Well that was after he was found dead.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, I always been married to a dead guy,
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  Speaker 2: file for divorce.
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  Speaker 1: Oxygen True Crime reported that the doctor had an alibi
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  Speaker 1: for his whereabouts during the murder and allowed police to
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  Speaker 1: secretly record his phone calls with Melanie.
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  Speaker 2: What was his albi? Do we know? You know?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what his alibi was.
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  Speaker 2: It was like I was with my other mistress. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let she testify.
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  Speaker 1: Police learn that Melanie purchased a thirty eight caliber Revolver
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  Speaker 1: days before Bill disappeared.
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  Speaker 2: Guilty. Her timing is terrible, it really is again, I
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  Speaker 2: mean the blankets, the gun, just before closing on a house,
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  Speaker 2: and then he's dead and missing, and then files for
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  Speaker 2: divorce when his sketches all over the media.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Authorities also find Internet searches on her computer. Do
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  Speaker 1: you want to guess? I'll just let you guess. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think the internet searches are?
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  Speaker 2: How many suitcases do I need to put a body
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  Speaker 2: in it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one to do it? Another one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to kill a man. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to file for divorce after you've murdered your Osmond.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah those are all good. I like this. Yours are better?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what is it?
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  Speaker 1: Undetectable poisons? And how to commit murder? How to delete
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  Speaker 1: my search history? All right? Then, in June of two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and five, Melanie is arrested and charged with first
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  Speaker 1: degree murder. Then she doesn't go to trial until two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven, so her trial begins in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and seven. Okay, first of all, there is no smoking
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  Speaker 1: gun as far as as no.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is pretty some. This is some strong
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  Speaker 2: circumstantial evident.
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  Speaker 1: It is all. It is all circumstances, strong, strong, but
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  Speaker 1: it's very strong. But it is all circumstantial. So let's
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  Speaker 1: just go through the circumstantial evidence because.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's more.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there's more. Yeah, I want to. I want to
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  Speaker 1: go through it because I made a list. So I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about the list of circumstantial evidence, and
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  Speaker 1: then I will tell you why I am not one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent convinced. Okay, all right, So the suitcases that
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  Speaker 1: were used were tracked back to her own personal set.
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  Speaker 2: They had her name tags on them.
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  Speaker 1: They were engraved. No, it was a Michael Core's set.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but they traced the suitcases to being hers. They
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  Speaker 2: could have been purchasing, you know, they could have looked
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  Speaker 2: up the history. I don't know. She probably bought it
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  Speaker 2: same day she bought a gun. Like, here's a receipt
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  Speaker 2: for a gun and three.
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  Speaker 1: Suitcases, right, you know, I don't know. I did try
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  Speaker 1: to look into that, and I read multiple articles about this,
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  Speaker 1: but I could never I couldn't. So if anybody out
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  Speaker 1: there knows, I do like it when you guys DM
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  Speaker 1: me and give me more information about cases. I do
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that. I've had several people they'll have personal connections
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  Speaker 1: to the cases that we talk about, and some people
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  Speaker 1: will DM me and give me more information about cases.
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  Speaker 1: And I love it when you guys do that. So,
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  Speaker 1: if anyone knows how they trace back this, Michael Course
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  Speaker 1: said a suitcases back to Melanie, I would love to
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  Speaker 1: know that, other than if it was just something where
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  Speaker 1: they found the receipt or found her purchasing them on video.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Bullets from a thirty eight caliber were
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  Speaker 1: found in the body. There were three bullets, and then
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  Speaker 1: a receipt for the purchase of the thirty eight caliber
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  Speaker 1: Garden was found. She purchased it like a couple days
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  Speaker 1: before he disappeared. Wad Cutter bullets were used, and Melanie
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  Speaker 1: also purchased wadcutter bullets. I don't know what wadcutter means.
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  Speaker 1: I assume I've never heard that word before, but I
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  Speaker 1: assume that's just a type of bullet. Wadcutter.
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  Speaker 2: Wadcutter, Yeah, wad I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Guess cutt er wadcutter. I guess it's just a type
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  Speaker 1: of bullet. I don't know. Again, I don't know a
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  Speaker 1: lot about it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just a specific bullet. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it matters in terms of homicide or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, a couch fiber was found on a bullet in
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  Speaker 1: the victim's chest, and then that couch fiber was traced
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  Speaker 1: back to a throw pillow from their personal couches in
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  Speaker 1: their home.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like because a lot of times with
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  Speaker 1: these cases, there's a lot of fiber analysis, and even
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  Speaker 1: when I watch, you know, because I've seen every episode
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  Speaker 1: of Forensic Files, they always do like a fiber analysis
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  Speaker 1: back to like a car seat and the fiber matches
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  Speaker 1: the car seat. And I don't know if I really
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  Speaker 1: feel like fiber analysis is a real science or if
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  Speaker 1: it's like a junk science. I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 1: like a junk science.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a junk science, but I certainly
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  Speaker 2: think you can have some doubt and it, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like just like they used to match hairs,
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  Speaker 2: remember before DNA, they would match hairs, But that's really
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  Speaker 2: not I wouldn't call it junk science, but certainly is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's not definitive, it's just more of like these
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  Speaker 1: hairs are similar, or this fiber is similar. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know it's it's not.
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  Speaker 2: I just looked it up.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the suitcases, Oh you wanted to know that, didn't.
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  Speaker 2: We're sold that model suitcase or whatever it was sold.
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  Speaker 2: It is a three piece set. Yes, it's a three
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  Speaker 2: piece set at Walmart's.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And they went and searched Walmarts and they got video
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  Speaker 2: of her purchasing the suitcases two days prior.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she purchased the suitcases two days prior,
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  Speaker 1: and the gun a couple of days prior, right, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then filed for divorce after E's foul. Yes, all right,
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  Speaker 1: so we already. And then we talked about the computer searches.
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  Speaker 1: Don't forget that she.
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  Speaker 2: Needed to do more internet searches because clearly, I mean her,
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  Speaker 2: she's terrible at this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she needs to do internet searches, but not on
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  Speaker 1: her home computer. She needs to go somewhere else and
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  Speaker 1: do internet searching, like.
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  Speaker 2: On a burner computer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she is a burner computer somewhere. And again the
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  Speaker 1: computer searches were undetectable poison, how to commit murder, and
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  Speaker 1: also there were computer search which is on chlural hydrate
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  Speaker 1: which is used as a sedative, as well as how
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  Speaker 1: to illegally obtain firearms. Illegally obtaining firearms must have been
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  Speaker 1: very difficult for her to figure out because she did
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  Speaker 1: just she purchased a gun. Clural Hydrate is a sedative
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  Speaker 1: hypnotic drug primarily used for short term treatment of insomnia
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  Speaker 1: and as a pediatric sedative for procedures. It's known for
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  Speaker 1: its rapid onset and it acts as a central nervous
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  Speaker 1: system depressant. So basically I think she probably because the
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  Speaker 1: timeline of his cell phone the night he disappeared, they
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  Speaker 1: the forensics showed that there was like a phone call
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  Speaker 1: that came in at three and then a phone call
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  Speaker 1: that came in at four or five something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and he answered all of those phone calls. And then
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  Speaker 1: I believe there was a phone call that came in
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  Speaker 1: around like six pm from the cellar of the house,
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  Speaker 1: because remember they just closed on a house and they
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  Speaker 1: were excited about this new home, and he didn't answer
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  Speaker 1: that phone call, and they had said that he always
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  Speaker 1: he was always on his phone. He had a BlackBerry
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  Speaker 1: or something, and he always had it, and he was
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  Speaker 1: always on it, and he had never missed a call
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  Speaker 1: from the cellar with this whole transaction. So they think
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  Speaker 1: as far as like the time of death, it would
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  Speaker 1: have been somewhere in there where he picked up the phone,
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  Speaker 1: picked up the phone, picked up the phone, and then
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  Speaker 1: at six pm didn't answer the phone, and the chloral
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  Speaker 1: hydrate would have been a sedative, right, So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, in this made for TV movie I watched,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm not a big fan of recreations. I like
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  Speaker 1: documentaries or they interview people, or they show police body
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  Speaker 1: cam footage for the case.
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  Speaker 2: You like that one.
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  Speaker 1: I did like the Amanda Knox case, but that's because
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  Speaker 1: she was.
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  Speaker 2: Involved, right, I just wanted to make that c that
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  Speaker 2: was a different one that was but.
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  Speaker 1: This one, and I watched it, but I really don't.
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  Speaker 2: Usually like watch it lightly too seriously.
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  Speaker 1: But it did show them like where she, you know,
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  Speaker 1: gave him some wine. So I don't know, maybe the
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  Speaker 1: assumption is, or the allegation is that she put some
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  Speaker 1: of that chloral hydrate in his in his drink, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So that I mean, he was a big guy. She
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: was petite, so we have to remember that. I believe
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: she was very petite.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Like she was like, she's like a one suitcase, he's
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: like a three.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Right, That's how we're going to define how large people are. Now,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: if that would be you're.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: A one, how many suitcases would you be? Well?
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Right now, currently, I'm I'm a one and a half.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a one and a carry on one. I'm a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: one and a carry on.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: You're a one, I'm a one bag.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a duffel bag, Yes, you are, all right. Anyway,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: back to the clural hydrate. They think she gave him
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: some type of sedative because he was a big guy,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: all right. Trash bags were also found that were similar
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: to the ones in her apartment. You know they do
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that trash bag analysis. I always see that on forensic
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: files too. Have you seen that?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: But it well, it's like when it's on the assembly
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: line with the dies and stuff, it makes like certain
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: patterns or striations on the trash bags and then.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: It's never perfect. But but they'll be.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Small, right, just small differences, right.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Like flaws or something or just characteristics and that will
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: exist for a while. Right, So like if you're going
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to punch out something, you know, like with a stamp, right,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: there might be a little little imperfection somewhere and it'll
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: be on that constantly while they're using the same mold
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So in this plastic bag case, there might
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: it's a solute, it's a it's a formula, and I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: might have some imperfection, not to say it's imperfect, but
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: some some slight variation, and it might last for a
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: might only come from this factory, and this factory then
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: delivers to these you know, Walmarts or whatever, so then
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: they can kind of narrow it down. And that's how
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the suitcase was. I was reading the suitcase, it was
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I think she left the retail tag or something on it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And wait, how how she left the tag on?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Are we still questioning whether she's done or not?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: It just it just gets worse.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: So they were able to then know where it was
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: because it's like they have UPC codes also write universal
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: product codes, so then they can kind of narrow down
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: where it was bought. So then it strengthens this circumstantial
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: evidence that Okay, yeah it's a Walmart bag, but it
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: only sold that these walmarts where she shopped and then
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: she bought it. Blah blah blah.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Right, So what they did, so the bodies that were found,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the body parts that were found in the suitcases were
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: wrapped in trash bags, so they could trace the trash.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Bags where they also purchased with the suitcase. Maybe, so
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: they trace it back to her house.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Well they could they trace it back to Yes, to
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the ones that were they were similar to the ones
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: in her apartment. They had the same die, same striation
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: lines that links back to the same manufacturer, the same
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: assembly line on the same day, right, So that's how
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: they could link that back. We already talked about it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: But there was a medical blanket that was found inside
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the suitcase that they could link back to the fertility
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: clinic where she worked. She was caught camera moving his
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: car because I remember earlier I.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Said, is there anything that she was able to conceal
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: in this case?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: So remember I talked about earlier how they found his
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: car the following day parked in a casino parking lot.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Because clearly her story was gambling, had a gambling problem,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and like he owed debts to the mob or something, right,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: so some mobsters.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And the mob. The mob tends to have Michael Cores suitcases.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, they love Michaels.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: They shop at Walmart all the.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Time, love it. So she was caught on camera moving
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: his car. She also forged a prescription for the chloral
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: hydrate which we talked about earlier, which was the sedative,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and she picked it up at Walgreens after dropping her
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: kids off at daycare.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, and you still have doubt that, I'm going.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: To tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. Also,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: human flesh was found in Bill's car, and they made
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a distinction. They call it human flesh because you can
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: find DNA cells right in a car, Like you could
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: go in our car right now, and there's DNA all
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: over my car. Right. This wasn't DNA like skin cells.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: This was like chunks, you know, like humans.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Like little dead skin cells.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, And she filed for divorce after his remains
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: were found. She was also having this is all the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence gift against her.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Just before killing him and then not kill him.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would that would have been a better said.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: She was like, this murder didn't work. I can never
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: get rid of this guy. I gotta file for divorce.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: She then there was also the long affair that she
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: had with doctor Brown.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Did you have an insurance policy?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think that there was any.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So maybe she was holding off for the divorce.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think there was any financial motive, really, I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: think she just wanted to I think she hated them.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: She wasn't getting anything.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think she was very fond of him.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: No, I think she I but I'm saying people murder
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: for money. I don't think there was any financial motive.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I think she just wanted him gone.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Is there a reason why you wanted she wanted them gone?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: To know I abused? Or was it just like she
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: had an affair and she just wants this one.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: No, well, it talks about how she has an affair,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: But if you watch the made for TV movie or
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: whatever it claims, it alleges that he was also having affairs,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: like affairs with his students, like he was a womanizer.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Are there kids here? Two?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah? They had two sons like.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Little kids miners or adult children.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: No, they were miners at the time. She dropped them
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: off a daycare. Remember after she forged the prescription, dropped
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it off at Walgreens, went to pick up the chloral hydrate,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and then she took her kids to daycare. The state
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: received evidence by anonymous communications pointing to people other than Melanie.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: As all coming from the same phone number as Bill's murderer.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: The state alleged that these anonymous she calls, She's.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Like, Hi, this Melani. I mean, this is anonymous. I'd
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: like to report a murder.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: You won't even let me get through this because this
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: is just stupid.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Then why are we even going?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: She did it?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, keep going.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: The state alleged that these anonymous communications were further evidence
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of the defendant's guilt because she, or someone acting on
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: her behalf was their source. So that's okay. So that
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: was a long list of the circumstantial evidence against her.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: When she goes to trial in April of two thousand
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and seven, she is convicted of first degree murder and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: weapons related charges. She is found not guilty on four
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: additional counts involving anonymous communications.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I guess they could never and littering in the Chesapeake Bay.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, littering. Let me talk about one thing, because this
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: is why I'm only at ninety eight percent, And I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: know you think that's ridiculous. It is ridiculous because of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: all the circumstantial evidence, and she clearly is not bright,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and she did not do her due diligence. She's buying
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: suitcases and guns on camera. She's got caught driving his
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: car and leaving it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: The prescriptions everything.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just baffled by this. She gave him a sedative, right,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: because he's a big guy.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: He falls the circumstantial evidence, right, he falls asleep.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Whatever. They're in their apartment. They're at their apartment. That's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the last place he has seen and that's the last
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: place he picks up the phone, so we know that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: he's physically located in their apartment. Okay. She shoots him
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: three times, once in the head and twice in the chest,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: so he's dead. They're okay again, they're in their apartment.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: She dismembers the man in their apartment.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna guess. There's no signs of blood or apartment.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: No forensic evidence found in their apartment, nothing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So we know what happened in an apartment If there's
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: no evidence, how do we know it happened in the apartment.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: You're assuming unless you have a reason to think that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a assuming because it said that, according to like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: his cell phone data, he picked up the phone in
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: their apartment at like four and five pm, and then
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: he missed to call at six. Well, how does she
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: where is the body she dismembers? First of all, I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: cannot think of anything more vile and gruesome than dismembering
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a large man's body. She is a small, petite woman.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: She shoots him three times and then she dismembers him
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: with her two kids there.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: How do you know the two kids were there?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know the two kids were there, but I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: don't know where they would have been.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: You insert all these facts and then you say you
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: have doubt.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know the kids. I don't know if
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the kids were there or not. I do know for
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a fact that his body was dismembered. It was chopped
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: up into His legs are cut off, and his arms
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: are cut off, and his body parts were drained of blood.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: How does someone do that? It has to be inside
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: her apartment. Where else could she have done this? She
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: didn't do it in the neighbor's house. She didn't do
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it in the backyard.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: She didn't do it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Had to have been in their home. Yeah, and you're
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: telling me I have watched every forensic file and all
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: you have to do. You get a little paper cut
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and you squirt some luminol and it's going to light up.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Does she have more plastic trash bags that she laid out?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Well, you got it, okay. First of all, he if
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: he died this way, he died without any any trauma,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: like like flesh and blood everywhere.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, I would assume there's flesh.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: She she shot? Yeah, I know, but he's shot. But
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: my thinking is, let's say, okay, but with the medication
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he passes out. He's okay at a commission. Now she
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: can roll out the plastic bags, get it all ready,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: shoot him? Blah blah blah.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: How do you dismember somebody and not There is not
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a single drop of mine in that house.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: The only thing she did right.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And the body was drained of blood. Where did the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: blood go?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And we know it was drained of blood before? It
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: wasn't just like it naturally.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: All I read in every article I read it was
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that the body was dismembered, It was cut into three pieces,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: put in three suitcases, and the body was drained of blood. Yeah,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And you're telling me that there is not a single
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: ounce of forensic evidence against this woman that when you
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: scuore luminol in her apartment, it doesn't light up like
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the fourth of July. How is that possible? There isn't
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: one drop somewhere that she missed. And how did she
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: dismember him? She had us a chainsaw?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'd tell you how. She's a nurse. She probably
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: had access to medical equipment.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: And how gross is that? Oh? It's just how how?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And also she's a small woman, she's petite, and he's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a big guy. I think he was over six foot.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: He's like two fifty or something. This is a big guy.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: How does she carry the body parts? And she puts
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: them into the suit cases?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And then how does she get the suit But now
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I'm starrying to wish I was a bigger guy, because
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: then you'd have more of a tough time.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, you would be easy, It would be very easy
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: duffel bag. Yes, but I'm just saying that is the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: only thing that is very mind boggling. I understand the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: loads and loads of circumstantial evidence against her. It's just
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: completely stacked up. I mean, it's ridiculous. There's so much
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of it, but the fact that this man was dismembered
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: inside their apartment put in three suitcases. She is a small,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: petite woman, and there is not and there is not
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a drop of blood within that apartment. Either she had
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: some type of accomplice that helped her, yeah, or I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just I don't understand it. That's the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: only doubt that is in my mind.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. I don't know, but that's not
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: enough for me to say she didn't do it. Okay,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: So so what she outsmarted you she had plastic lining everywhere,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: or she drove him to a park and then dismembered
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: him and shot him. Who knows.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: She's in the middle of a park.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know either.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm saying, but it's if so okay,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, you know what I'm saying.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: She took him out remotely somewhere and did the deed.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Who knows. But that's not enough to say she didn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying she didn't do it. Well, there's the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: two percent that is I just don't understand the forerends,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how the body is dismembered by this small,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: petite woman and the body is drained of blood and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: there's not an ounce of so much.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Other evidence that is too coincidental, way too coincidental. That
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: shows her intent, her behavior that it's like, okay, so
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: she got this one right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: How did she get the hardest part correct? But the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: easy part of like not buying a suitcase and leaving
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the tag on it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And because she probably focused on this, she probably thought
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: this is important. I need to not have blood everywhere.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: She didn't think about anything else.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So since two thousand and seven, Melanie has been serving
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: her sentence at EDNA Mayhon Correctional Facility in Clinton, New Jersey.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, and appeal challenging how computer evidence was
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: handled is denied. Then, in September of twenty twenty, Melanie
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: did an interview on ABC's twenty twenty and maintains her innocence.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: She said that she is afraid to hope for release.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Then in twenty twenty two, a Lifetime movie about the case,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: titled The Suitcase Killer The Melanie McGuire Story is released
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and later becomes available on Netflix. That's what I watched,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So if anybody is interesting, I'm interested in watching it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: It's currently on Netflix. Again. It's called The Suitcase Killer
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: The Melanie McGuire story. I'm not a big fan of
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: recreations because whenever they do recreations, they always they make
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it like they change facts.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: And they did that in it might be like, oh,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: this part's boring, let's highlight that a little bit better.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I don't like that. I like documentaries because I feel
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: like at least they do a better job of sticking
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to the facts, interviewing people who were involved, showing.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Bodies that watched. Yeah, they brought in like like you're
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: like the they changed the whole timeline, like the housekeeper
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: is dead, she's in the entire film.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't like that. I was like, I can't
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: believe that they made this.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Whole and they made her a key part too, like
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: she was helping the.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Kids or driving them places. Yeah, she had died years before,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Like they changed the whole timeline of I know. That
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: bothered me to no end, But anyway, anyway, it's called
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: The Suitcase Killer. So if you're interested, and again, if
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: anyone has any more information about Melanie Maguire and how
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: she got the body into the suitcases and did not
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: leave any blood, DNA, forensics anything in that apartment. Please
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: let me know because I would love to hear your theories.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: So because that is just keeping me up at night.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It apparently only wants to know how to avoid having
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: blood everywhere.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Know how this ding dong who made all of these
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: mistakes got that part right. That's what I want to know.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So if anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
• 32:05
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• 32:09
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• 32:23
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• 32:26
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• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Petition for divorce not murder that was your.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: In thought, yes, and again until death newest part just
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a friendly reminder that divorce is always the better options.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you,