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The Late Debate | 4 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General, Welcome to the Late Base.
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  Speaker 2: Well, great to have your company tonight. I'm James Macpherson
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  Speaker 2: with Free Leitch and Caleb Bond coming up this evening,
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  Speaker 2: the BBC caught out they've put to air a Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump's speech edited to make it look like he inspired
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  Speaker 2: a riot. Plus the ato's shocking admission that Australia's illegal
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  Speaker 2: tobacco market is completely out of control, and will show
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  Speaker 2: you what happened when a woman fed up with men
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  Speaker 2: using the female bathrooms finally could take no more. All
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  Speaker 2: of that shortly, But first, can you imagine a world
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  Speaker 2: in which politicians told the truth?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: Well they can't either, which I suppose explains why a
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  Speaker 2: survey by the Australian Institute found eighty seven percent of
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  Speaker 2: Ossie's support the introduction of truth in political advertising laws.
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  Speaker 2: Now South Australia has these laws. They've had them since
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, mandating fines of up to twenty five
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars for political parties whose campaigns promote inaccuracies or
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  Speaker 2: misleading information, which begs the question why haven't truth in
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  Speaker 2: political advertising laws gone national? Well, Queensland Premier David Chris
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  Speaker 2: a Foley today said he was a supporter of such
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  Speaker 2: laws and that he had no plans to introduce them.
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  Speaker 2: Queensland Labor leader Stephen Miles said he too supported truth laws,
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  Speaker 2: but wouldn't commit to implementing them. If he won government,
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  Speaker 2: he promised he would investigate. So Caleb, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: We've got politicians agreeing that politicians should tell the truth,
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  Speaker 2: but just not right now.
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  Speaker 4: There is something funny about politicians complaining about other politicians
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  Speaker 4: not telling the truth, isn't there? Just as an example,
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  Speaker 4: an interview overnight with Gavin Newsom, the governor of California.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing I dislike more than the politician that has sits
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  Speaker 2: there and lies to you and we all just said
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  Speaker 2: they're wrong in our eyes.
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  Speaker 4: Oh we'll just sit there rolling out. Yes, I roll
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  Speaker 4: my eyes when I saw that.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, this is stupid.
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  Speaker 4: If you believe that there should be truth in political advertising, legislated,
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  Speaker 4: make it happen, don't just go Oh I like the idea,
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  Speaker 4: but it requires investigation. What investigation does it require? When,
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  Speaker 4: as you note James South, Australia has had a great
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  Speaker 4: place that it is since nineteen eighty five and has
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  Speaker 4: there been mass problems in South Australia as a result
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  Speaker 4: of this no and the way it works in South
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  Speaker 4: Australia is that the Electoral Commission in the first instance
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  Speaker 4: has the power if it believes that advertising is inaccurate
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  Speaker 4: or let's say it's medi scare for instance, if you
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  Speaker 4: try to do that on a state level, the electoral
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  Speaker 4: Commissioner can go to the political party and say you
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  Speaker 4: must take that ad down, and if the party says no,
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  Speaker 4: get stuffed. The Electoral Commissioner can then go to the
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  Speaker 4: Supreme Court and ask the Supreme Court to intervene. So
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  Speaker 4: you then have independent people judges who can make an adjudication,
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  Speaker 4: just like they would in a defamation case as to
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  Speaker 4: whether or not what has been said is true or not,
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  Speaker 4: and then can impose a fine. If they want to
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  Speaker 4: do so and have to impose a fine, they can
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  Speaker 4: just say take the ad down if they find it's wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Why can that not just be applied everywhere Given it's
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  Speaker 4: existed since nineteen eighty five, forty years in South Australia
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  Speaker 4: and it's never caused a problem.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't support politicians lying, but I also don't
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  Speaker 5: support the government or an electoral commission determining what is
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  Speaker 5: and isn't true. This was the whole problem with the
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  Speaker 5: Misinformation Bill. How do you determine what is and isn't
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  Speaker 5: the truth? And I can tell you how this will operate,
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  Speaker 5: especially on a national scale. You will have vexatious complaints
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  Speaker 5: by all parties, challenging absolutely every single thing. The Electoral
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  Speaker 5: Commissioner will be run off their feet with these complaints.
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  Speaker 5: They'll be referred to the court, they'll income massive legal costs,
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  Speaker 5: and at the end of it they'll go, well, we're
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  Speaker 5: not really sure, or they'll tell you to take them down,
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  Speaker 5: but the damage.
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  Speaker 3: Will already be done.
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  Speaker 5: And in a lot of these instances, no one can
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  Speaker 5: actually tell you what the truth is. Think about our
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  Speaker 5: biggest national debate right now, net zero. Labour's out there
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  Speaker 5: telling you renewables are the cheapest form of energy. The
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  Speaker 5: coalitions say no, it's probably coal or some sort of
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  Speaker 5: sensible energy. Well, is labor lying under these laws? Should
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  Speaker 5: we be able to say, no, labor, that's false. But
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  Speaker 5: they'll turn around and say the exact same thing to us,
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  Speaker 5: And both sides can find very legitimate evidence to say, well,
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  Speaker 5: you could disprove either of them.
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  Speaker 2: That's where the Electric Commission would have to exercise discretion, right,
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  Speaker 2: so where there was a lot of gray, they would say, look,
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  Speaker 2: we're not getting involved. I presume it would only be
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  Speaker 2: in those instances where there was a clear precisely so
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  Speaker 2: misinformation or.
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  Speaker 4: South Australia an overrun with complaints the Electric commit happens
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  Speaker 4: about Australia is yeah, he's not sitting there every day
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  Speaker 4: pulling his hair out about these complaints. It is obviously
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  Speaker 4: stuff that is obviously disprovable. I mean, if you came
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  Speaker 4: out and said the Labor Party wants to kill every
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  Speaker 4: dog in South Australia, and the Labor Party can say
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  Speaker 4: there is no policy anywhere that says that's what we believe.
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  Speaker 1: That is a lie in political laboratory. If that's the
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  Speaker 1: sort of stuff you.
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  Speaker 5: Talk, If it's so easily disprovable, why don't people just
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  Speaker 5: use their brains and go whom that doesn't sound tricky?
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  Speaker 5: Why do we need the government to say, hang on
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  Speaker 5: a second, take that down. It works, and when it
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  Speaker 5: will a government, bureaucracy or commission ever restrict the power
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  Speaker 5: that they have. These things always creep and creep and creep.
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  Speaker 4: That's why you have the court as the independent arbetery.
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  Speaker 4: You can never allow the electoral Commissioner to impose fines
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  Speaker 4: or actually forcibly make someone take something down.
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  Speaker 1: That's why it's up to the court.
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  Speaker 4: Just as the court would adjudicate on a complaint about
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  Speaker 4: death of an individual, in this case, the court adjudicates
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  Speaker 4: on a complaint of defamation of a political party.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
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  Speaker 2: Why do we need laws like this if we just
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  Speaker 2: educate the electric that if it's a teal speaking, it's
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  Speaker 2: probably a lie. What about after the event, like how
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  Speaker 2: many times will we told two hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 2: dollars reduction when a Cower bill ninety seven times? Clearly
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  Speaker 2: that was a lie. Could that law be required be
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  Speaker 2: retrospective that were about nice?
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  Speaker 4: That would be nuts And obviously it's never that would
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  Speaker 4: be a value, that would be fantastic. I mean, you're
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  Speaker 4: never going to stop politicians lying. But I think the
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  Speaker 4: point is that when you're in the midst of a
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  Speaker 4: political campaign, you should not be able to manufacture complaints
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  Speaker 4: against your opponents that are not.
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  Speaker 2: LNP did it in queens Sorry, the Labor Party did
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  Speaker 2: it to the LMP in Queensland regarding issue of abortion,
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  Speaker 2: didn't they They accuse Chris of Foley of having plans
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  Speaker 2: to wind back abortion laws, which they had no such plans.
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  Speaker 2: But that made a difference in the in the lead
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  Speaker 2: up to the election, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the point. I mean.
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  Speaker 4: In South Australia, the Court of Disputed Returns can actually
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  Speaker 4: overturn the results of an election if it is found
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  Speaker 4: that there was provable change in the election results caused
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  Speaker 4: by mistruths in political advertising. And fair enough, because that's
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  Speaker 4: exactly the point. I mean, if you have a really
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  Speaker 4: close election and the election is lost or won on
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  Speaker 4: the basis of a campaign that was fabricated, why shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: you be able to do something about it?
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  Speaker 5: That But it still doesn't answer the question of in
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  Speaker 5: these contested policy areas where it's very hard to objectively
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  Speaker 5: determine who is telling the truth and who isn't, and
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  Speaker 5: you can make a case about it, how will they
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  Speaker 5: determine what it might be truth?
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  Speaker 2: What if we had a national broadcaster that had fact checking.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think it's about things that are obviously
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  Speaker 4: matters of truth. Lying about your opponent you can't, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: everyone can argue to the case come home about whether
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  Speaker 4: they think their policy is the right policy versus someone
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  Speaker 4: else's policy. That's a different matter. But if you're making
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  Speaker 4: up lies about your opponent, I don't think that's on.
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  Speaker 4: And we have seen campaigns.
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  Speaker 1: Very effectively run like this.
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  Speaker 4: Why labor uses many ski all the time because it
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  Speaker 4: actually works even though it is full. Let's go down
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  Speaker 4: to Melbourne today were of course the Melbourne Cup, the
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  Speaker 4: fantastic race that it is. And while Gillan McLaughlin, who
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  Speaker 4: is the boss of the tab was at the Melbourne Cup,
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  Speaker 4: his car was being stolen, So there you go. That's
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  Speaker 4: what happens in Melbourne these days. So they knew the
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  Speaker 4: right day to go and target his house, it would see.
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  Speaker 4: We don't actually know whether it was stolen from his
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  Speaker 4: house or his office or what, but there are photographs
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  Speaker 4: of him on the phone at the Melbourne Cup presumably
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  Speaker 4: being told mister McLaughlin.
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  Speaker 1: Your car has been stolen. I know, I laugh.
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  Speaker 4: It's a terrible thing to go through. No one wants
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  Speaker 4: their car to be stolen. That's what goes on in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 4: To theywhere else goes on in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: The crime problem is.
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  Speaker 4: So bad that a guy who has a cafe and
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  Speaker 4: pizza shop, which operates out of a lawn drette in Carlton,
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  Speaker 4: has now.
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  Speaker 1: Decided that he's going to close at night.
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  Speaker 4: Previously, he was open at night because he was recently
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  Speaker 4: targeted by some lunatic who came along and was throwing
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  Speaker 4: around tables and chairs and rip the coffee machine, throwing
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  Speaker 4: coffee all over the place, smashed up windows, so he
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  Speaker 4: had to pay for all these repairs himself. Guy gets
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  Speaker 4: arrested and the fellow walks past the cafe the very
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  Speaker 4: next day, and so he's made the decision because he
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  Speaker 4: only has one staff member on at night normally, he's
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  Speaker 4: got two choices. I either closed the thing because I
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  Speaker 4: don't feel comfortable having one staff member there on their own,
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  Speaker 4: given this has happened, or I have to punt up
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  Speaker 4: the extra money for a second staff member, which may
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  Speaker 4: not be economical. So he has made the decision to
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  Speaker 4: shut up shop. I mean, how sad is that that
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  Speaker 4: you can't legitimately run a small business in certain parts
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  Speaker 4: of Melbourne because you get targeted by a crime. It's
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  Speaker 4: not safe to have one staff member there, so you
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  Speaker 4: just got to shut the doors.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's his story, but I mean, listen to the
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  Speaker 2: Premier of Victoria.
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  Speaker 6: The CBD of Melbourne is safe, and I wish to
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  Speaker 6: reiterate that the Melbourne CBD is safe.
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne's CBD is safe.
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  Speaker 2: What was that previous discussion truth in political advertising. It's
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  Speaker 2: pretty horrendous, isn't it. The Commissioner of Police in Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Bush, said today that police are aware of six
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  Speaker 2: hundred and ten gang members. They're part of thirty three
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  Speaker 2: different gangs that the police have identified in Melbourne. They
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  Speaker 2: know the names of these six hundred and ten kids
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  Speaker 2: and their addresses, and a journalist asked is it appropriate
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  Speaker 2: for them to still be in the community. About four
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  Speaker 2: to five hundred of them are still in the community,
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  Speaker 2: and the police commissioner refused to answer the question, simply
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  Speaker 2: saying instead, and I think expressing his frustration. Many of
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  Speaker 2: them have been arrested over and over again, so it's
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  Speaker 2: just all around frustration. But when you've got businesses closing
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  Speaker 2: down because of staff safety, I mean, that's just terrible.
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  Speaker 3: It's horrendous.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I just wonder whether the mayor Nick Reese
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  Speaker 5: is going to send one of his safety offices around
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  Speaker 5: there completely unarmed to stand up front of the shop.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's what's going to be required.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: You go to some cities in the US, especially in
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  Speaker 5: Democrat run areas, and they do have security guards at pharmacists,
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  Speaker 5: at grocery stores. Things are locked up behind cabinets. Because
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  Speaker 5: there is zero law enforcement. People can steal and they
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  Speaker 5: won't face any consequences.
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  Speaker 3: And that's where Victoria is headed.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to start to see cities in Australia, particularly
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  Speaker 5: in Victoria, that will end up like Democrat cities in
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  Speaker 5: the US, where there is no law in order. And
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  Speaker 5: the problem is, once a city enters this death spiral,
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of a self perpetuating cycle because businesses will go, well,
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  Speaker 5: I can't operate here, so the CBD starts to shut down,
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  Speaker 5: which means the people that are left are part of
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  Speaker 5: the kind of vagrant criminal class and it becomes less
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  Speaker 5: and less hospitable to people.
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  Speaker 3: Eventually, what used to.
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  Speaker 5: Be the crown jewel of Australia really a thriving, beautiful
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  Speaker 5: city it is going to be.
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  Speaker 3: It is already a shell of what it once was.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of already there. You go to the liquor land
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  Speaker 4: in Elizabeth Street in the middle of the Melbourne CBD,
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  Speaker 4: and that's always got a security guard stationed out the
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  Speaker 4: front of it because you know, that area in particular
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  Speaker 4: attracts a lot of dodgy people who do drugs and whatever,
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  Speaker 4: so they know that they're potentially in for trouble. You
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  Speaker 4: know the supermarket these days, some places they have meat
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  Speaker 4: products where you got the security code stuff on them, right,
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  Speaker 4: so you've actually got to have it scanned and like
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  Speaker 4: demagnetized in all order to take your meat out of
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  Speaker 4: the supermarket because fift is that rampant. Now. Part of
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  Speaker 4: that is obviously cost of living related stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But in Victoria, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, it's just a culture of this is just how
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  Speaker 4: things are now. It's almost like we've come to accept
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  Speaker 4: it because well, that's just how things work.
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  Speaker 2: And then of course businesses leave, so tax revenue drives
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  Speaker 2: up and you get a labor government that doesn't try
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  Speaker 2: and kill the dog's caleb. They tax the dogs what
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  Speaker 2: they're doing in Victoria, that's where they arrive.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the New York Merril race is in its final
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  Speaker 5: hours and the Republican candidate Curtis Saliwa has made a
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  Speaker 5: really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Comment about his connection to Australia.
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  Speaker 7: I was in Sydney and I was invited to set
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  Speaker 7: up Guardian Angels in Paramata.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 7: It took me an hour to get all the way
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  Speaker 7: out to the sores. How bad could it possibly be?
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  Speaker 7: And then when I walked around they got games here.
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  Speaker 5: So that was paramatter in the nineties. I wonder what
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  Speaker 5: he would think if he saw Melbourne in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: five and he's of course talking there about his Guardian
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  Speaker 5: Angels group Curtis Saliwa set up. It's really a volunteer
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  Speaker 5: justice group. They roam the streets and make citizens arrests
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  Speaker 5: where people are in danger. And they became really big
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  Speaker 5: in New York in the seventies when crime crime was rampant,
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  Speaker 5: and they're still around. That's the red beret that he
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  Speaker 5: was wearing. But I reckon Curtis Saliwa post New York,
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  Speaker 5: Merril Race, please come to Australia and set up a
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  Speaker 5: branch of the Guardian Angels in Melbourne, because you are
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  Speaker 5: desperately needed.
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  Speaker 2: We've already got sort of variations of this happening in
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  Speaker 2: the suburb of Malvin in Melbourne. There was a story
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  Speaker 2: about a month ago thirty dads they call themselves a
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  Speaker 2: Dad's Army and they get in their cars and they
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  Speaker 2: patrol the sob of at two thirty three am in
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  Speaker 2: the morning. And they're doing so because they said there's
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  Speaker 2: been so many break and enters in the area that's
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  Speaker 2: the only way they can keep their suburbs safe. And
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  Speaker 2: then earlier in the year there were stories about body
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  Speaker 2: corporates or various estates in Melbourne suburbs hiring their own
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  Speaker 2: security to again mitigate against break and enters. So it's
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  Speaker 2: not as cool as the Red Beret Guardian Angels, but
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  Speaker 2: there's variations of that starting to take place as citizens
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  Speaker 2: say we just don't believe the police are able to
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  Speaker 2: keep us safe. We'll do it ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Dead's Army. I just can't get the sitcom
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  Speaker 4: out of my head to.
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  Speaker 2: Be it doesn't exactly make you feel that to go
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  Speaker 2: for here are misgo hit?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, when SLIWA came out in nineteen ninety two and
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  Speaker 4: they set up a chapter of the Guardian Angels in
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  Speaker 4: Sydney and they were going around on trains to try
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  Speaker 4: and protect people on trains, and the then New South
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  Speaker 4: Wales Police Minister Teed Pickering called them looneyes so and
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  Speaker 4: they were told they weren't welcome here. So that's how
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  Speaker 4: much fun Curtis Leewa had when he came out here
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  Speaker 4: just talking about the New York mayoral race, though, which
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  Speaker 4: begins sit, well, the race, but the election begins today.
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  Speaker 4: So we're just going into the morning in the United
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  Speaker 4: States and today is election day. So by this time
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  Speaker 4: tomorrow it's highly likely Zora and Mamdani, the Socialist Democratic candidate,
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  Speaker 4: will be the new mayor of New York. I don't
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  Speaker 4: understand why Sleiwa didn't pull out of this race, because
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  Speaker 4: essentially what will happen is you'll have a portion of
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  Speaker 4: Republicans whoill vote for Andrew Cuomo, who is the sort
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  Speaker 4: of disendorsed Democrat, because that's the best chance of putting
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  Speaker 4: up someone to fight off Mamdani. But you'll have a
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  Speaker 4: corps of Republicans who will just refuse to vote for
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  Speaker 4: Cuomo and they'll go and vote for Sliwar instead, which
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  Speaker 4: splits the vote, which almost guarantees Mamdani that he's going
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  Speaker 4: to become the mayor of New York. Well, why couldn't
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Sliwa just put his valor aside and say, for the
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  Speaker 4: good of New York, I've got to get out of this,
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  Speaker 4: so the potentially Quomo.
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  Speaker 2: Could be Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, why couldn't the Democrat establishment
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  Speaker 5: find someone better than Andrew Cuomo as their candidate. I
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: mean during COVID, he diverted elderly people from hospitals, put
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: them in aged care homes, infected thousands. Something like twelve
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: thousand people died as a result of this decision. There's
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: a lot of anger about that. He's had many allegations
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: of inappropriate conduct with women. I mean, I think this
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  Speaker 5: just shows you the dire state that the Democratic Party
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  Speaker 5: is in.
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  Speaker 3: Where your choices are radical socialist.
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  Speaker 5: NEPO baby zora'm mum Dani or washed up failed governor
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  Speaker 5: Andrew Cuomo. It's hardly great, but I agree with you
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  Speaker 5: when the polling, Now the polling has gotten to this point,
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: Salia should have dropped out.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Because now everyone's getting.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: The worst outcome, which is Zora on mum Dania's mayor.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well know how bad mam Dani is. When you
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: talk about Kumo, when we think, oh, hope he wins GAT.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: After all that, let's go to the UK, where an
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: internal Dossi Elite from the BBC has shown how the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: national broadcaster They're deliberately edited a Donald Trump's speech in
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: order to make it look like Donald Trump had incited
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: a riot. Now, it was a speech that you're probably
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: familiar with. Trump gave it to supporters right before they
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: marched on the Capitol building. We'll show you what the
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: BBC put to air. And what they did was they
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: took something Trump said at the beginning of his speech
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and then they cut it so it was joined with
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: something he said at the end of his speech. We'll
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: show you that one first, and then after that we'll
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: show you what Trump actually said.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: be there with you, and we fight.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: We fight like hell.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: We're going to walk down to the Capitol.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: congressmen and women.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So, as you can see, the BBC made it look
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like Trump had inspired them We're going to go down
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the Capitol, am We're going to fight, when in truth,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: he said nothing of the sort. Now, the dossier claims
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: that when this was put to management, management refused to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: accept any problem with what they put to air, which
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: shows just how bad the culture at the BBC is.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: The dossier was leaked to the UK Telegraph, who published
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: this today, and they've promised to publish more of the dossi,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: which includes claims of bias in the BBC's coverage of
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: the war in Gaza. I don't know that that would
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: surprise any of us. And censorship of the transgender debate
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: as it's been held in the UK. This brings into question, Caleb,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: why the government through taxpayers, would fund the BBC, which
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: is relied upon to be impartial and to be truthful
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and to act in the national interest when you've the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: BBC telling blatant lies about the leader of England's most
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: important ally.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Well, there is a way to get out of paying
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: for the BBC in the UK. That's to not own
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: a television because of course they make you pay the
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: TV license over there in order to fund the BBC.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: So it is just.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Slightly better than how we operate the ABC here in
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: this country.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: There is a way to get out of it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: But I mean, for goodness sake, everyone has a TV,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: so everyone pays for the BBC, and it is hard
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: to think, actually, no, that there are other examples. I'll
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: come back to that, but it is hard to think
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: of something more blatant than this, right, And you've seen
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: this done in many ways around Trump, whether it's the
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: editing of Kamala Harris in the United States to make
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: her look more sensible. You know that the interview that
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Trump did on sixty Minutes that was broadcast the other night,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: he's now saying large parts of that were edited out
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: where he was critical of the broadcaster CBS. And then
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, you think of hearing Australia and this wasn't
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: a matter of editing. But remember the ABC said they
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: had the story of the century about Russian interference in
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: the twenty sixteen US election, and they.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Carried on as though this was, you.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Know, chapter and verse the real deal that was all
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: proven to be absolute duff. Did they ever apologize for that? No.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: If public broadcasters are allowed to get away with this consistently,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: and they are allowed to get away with this consistently,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: why would they not keep doing it there are no consequences.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Well, they also have no issue arming themselves legally and
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: defending themselves all the way in very costly legal fights
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: when these things do get exposed because of course it's
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: our taxpayer dollars funding the cases.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Not their own money.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: But it wasn't just that aspect of the program that
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: was biased.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: The whole thing thing.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Was other aspects of the dossier pointed out that in
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: the program they had ten Trump critics and only one
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Trump supporter, so already how and then moreover, there was
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: no similar program examining Kamala Harris's record. There was nothing
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: critical about her. And this just shows you the obsession
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: that the left wing media and our public broadcasters have
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: with Trump. They want anything to demonize him, to the
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: point of discrediting themselves because this time they really have
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: gone too fars.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: What's really funny about that is you say, you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: there were ten people interviewed who were anti Trump versus
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: one person who defended Trump, and yet these national broadcasters
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: famously count how many black people are in the news bulletin,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: how many women versus men are providing commentary, so very
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: concerned about identity, but not about what perspective they bring
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: in terms of a particular issue.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: But it's also this, remember during the voice afterwards, had
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: to account for how many people they'd had on and
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: how much airtime they'd been given in terms of the
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: yes and the no case, And it turned out that
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: they had far fewer people on the ABC who were
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: anti voiced than were pro voice. But they claimed because
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: some of them had been given some extra time, as
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: in every individual actually got more airtime who was a
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: no person because they had like five of them across
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: the entirety of the ABS, that it was actually all
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: fair and it was all balanced. Well, it's not, we
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: know it's not. This is how public broadcasters continually operate.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: It's just a matter when is someone going to say
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: we have to pull public broadcasters into line, whether it's
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: in the US or Australia or the United Kingdom or
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Europe or wherever we're paying for this, and in many cases,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: like in Australia, there is a legislative requirement for them
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: to be impartial. When is someone going to have the
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: guts to pull leavers? And so you've got to live
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: up to this standard.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: With the left wont because they benefit from the bias,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and the right wine because they're scared stiff that if
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: they attack the national broadcaster then it will rebound on them.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not just national broadcasters that are under fire
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: for their editorial policies, but it's also independent podcast as
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Tucker Carlson was once the biggest primetime host on Fox
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: News over in the US. He went independent in around
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, and now the MAGA Republican base is
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: divided over whether Tucker Carlson should have had Nick Fouentes,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: a alleged white supremacist who has allegedly described Adolf Hitler
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: as awesome on his podcast.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: This podcast has now been viewed millions and millions of times.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: It was up to five million views on YouTube alone
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: the last time I checked. So just to introduce you
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: to the character where dealing with here, here is a
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: bit of Nick Fouentz blaming everything on the Jews.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: And once again, remember who is responsible for it, all
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: the Jews. They are responsible for every war in the world.
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: It's not even debatable at this point.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: These people that are suppressing the name Christ and suppressing Christianity,
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: they must be absolutely annihilated when we take power. This
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: is God's country, this is Jesus' country. This is not
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: the domain of atheists or devil worshippers or perfidious Jews.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: It's just disgusting and then in his podcast with Tucker Colson,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: he bizarrely said that he was a fan of Stalin.
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: It's actually funny. It was December eighteenth. I remember because
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: that's an important date to me, and that's Joseph Stalin's birthday.
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: I'm a fan, you're a fan of Stalin's. I was
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: an admirer. But we don't need to go into that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: Let's uh, okay, let's get back. We'll circle back today.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: It was, well, just a spoiler for you there. They
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: never circled back to that, and that is part of
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: the criticism of this podcast. Tucker Carlson prides himself on
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: being a journalist, someone who can investigate things, yet he
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: didn't apply any of that scrutiny to Nick Fuentes. But
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Tucker also had his own bizarre interventions in the conversation,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: like when he said the one group he hates more
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: than anyone else are Christian Zionists.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: How do you explain Mike hu Coulbee, Ted Cruz And
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: they're a lot like that John Bolton, I mean I've
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: known them all, George W. Bush, like the Carl Rove,
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: I mean all people I know personally who I've seen
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: be seized by this brain virus, and they're not Jewish.
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: Most of them are self described Christians. And then the
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: Christian Zionists who are well Christian Zionists, like what is that?
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: Ryan?
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: I could just say for my self, I dislike them
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: more than anybody, you know, because like what.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Now, free speech is one thing, but just because you
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: exercise your right to free speech, it doesn't mean others
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: aren't free to go. You're absolutely insane and should be
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: pushed to the fringes of the Republican Party.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: And this is the war that has erupted.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: You have a lot of the classical Republicans like Ben
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: Shapiro saying this guy Nick Fluentz and Tucker Carlson as
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: a result, should be completely condemned and cut off from
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: the Republican establishment. But then big influential think tanks, even
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: like the Heritage Foundation, which was behind Project twenty twenty
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: five that set out Trump's second term agenda in the
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: White House, have come out in support of Tucker. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: so you see this divide and it's really becoming a
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: civil war inside the Republicans.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: The Republican Movement or the Mega movement split fifty to fifty.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It's more like ninety eight two because I think very
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: few people honestly would support Candice Owens season number one
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: or Tucker Carlson. I think it's good that they put
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: their views out there. As abhorrent as they are, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: everything we watch there is, I think, disgraceful, but at
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: least we know what they really think. And when you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: know what you really think, it helps you sort the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: week from the chart precisely.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I think more speech is better. Really, even if what
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: someone is saying you think is repugnant, I'd rather than
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: say it openly and freely. And if someone wants to
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: give their platform, and Tucker runs his own race, so
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: he's able to have whoever he wants on his podcast,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: he doesn't have to a bide by broadcast codes or
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: any of that sort of busy to have whoever the
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: hell he wants anywhere in the world on his thing.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: If he wants to have him on, Go for Your Life.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: And I'd rather that people like that have their views
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: out there so we know them, because if you if
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: you try to, the danger and I'm not saying that
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: you can't be critical of Fuente's and Tucker, because of
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: course you can, but the danger is that if you
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: put forward the idea that they shouldn't be able to
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: have a platform anywhere, which is their own platform, you
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: drive them underground. And when you drive people underground, you
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: don't know what they're talking about. And then it's much
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: later down the line that you wake up and you go,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: why are all these people saying they like Stalin? Because
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: we never let them say it openly to other people.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: It's only to the converted that they have in their
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: little underground bunker. So I would prefer it to be
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: in the public domain.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: But my problem with this is some people have claimed
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: in the media that the percentage of young Republicans and
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: White House staffers who are fans of fluents, these are
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: really the factions that are emerging within the magabase, the
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: profluentes versus the pro Israel factions, could be as high
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: as forty percent the young.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: The important things that he says, and we've not shown
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the half of it, and there's some stuff that we
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: just couldn't really justify showing on air, particularly things he
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: said about women. How is it so many young Republicans
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: like the guy?
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Well, this is the concerning part anti Semitism, the hatred
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: of Jews, Holocaust denihalism is becoming cool on many parts
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: of the fringe right.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: And the problem with what Tucker.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Just did was he is bringing this from the fringe
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: into the mainstream and not applying enough critical just anything.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: It is scrutiny to these views.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: And so I wouldn't have an issue if he brought
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: him on and he hammered him and he asked him
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: to justify his apcurrent positions. But that's not what happened.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: It was a softball interview. And you cannot let this
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: stuff become mainstream.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder how.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Much of the shtick is performance. Is it real or
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: is it performance, because I've watched a lot.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Of it just seems to be like.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: So over the edge of extreme that you're doing it
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: to get the reaction as opposed to you know, this
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: is just a genuinely he.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: He's only like twenty seven years old.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, the whole thing perplexes Well.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: He does use humor, So he does use this kind
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: of immature, young male humor that is pushing the boundaries.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: It's edgy, it's saying things you can't say.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Gift of the gab he does. He can be quite
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: humorous in the way he presents his obnoxious views. So
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: he's getting clicks, no doubt, and people are monetizing it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Something else has been getting clicks online for all the
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: right reasons. It should be noted, well, some of it's
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: for the right reasons. A woman goes to a gym,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Gold's Gym in LA in the United States, and she
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: is confronted by what she says is a biological male
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: who's been using the gym and going into the change room.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: So she has a confrontation with this guy that is
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: caught on film, and following that, she is told that
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: she can no longer be part.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Of the gym.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Now, the good bit is that she is fighting back.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: The bad bit, of course, is that she's been kicked
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: out of the gym for saying I don't want a
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: man in my changing rooms. But you know what, I
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: looked at this video and I thought, we need to
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: clone this woman and get this gumption out to a
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: lot more people to call out this nonsense when they
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: see it. Take a look, man.
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: Role, man, we're big and a woman's locker role.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: And that's why I'm getting kicked down.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: And I want to make shortograph now And if we
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: fighting saw that man.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: In a role.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: No one say.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Tish Heiman is her name, and all power to her,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I reckon, She's just calling out what she's seen and
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: fair enough. Why should you beat you as a woman
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: be banned from the gym because someone who says they're
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: a woman but he's actually a man comes into your chain?
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: What does it say about our culture that that clip
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: has gone viral over the last twenty four hours? And
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: what is it? It's a woman seeing what normal people
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: would see and saying what normal people would say. But
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: normality has become so rare now, particularly on this issue,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: that we see a video like that with Ah. It's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: just someone saying the obvious. But it's so rare that
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: someone is brave enough to say what everyone else is thinking.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: That it goes right around the world when it happens.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Well, that's the key point, Ryan, She actually stood up
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: and she said something. Most of us will go, oh,
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: that's not good, Oh why are they doing that? But
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: very few of us we get up in front of
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: the gym and you yell about it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: We have gotten to the point with the whole gender
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: fluidity rubbish. If more people had done that ten years ago,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: eight years ago, five years ago, I don't think we'd
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: be where we are.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: Well, you're silence sent to not because if you do
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: do that, well then you're called transphobic.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Then your gym membership gets canceled.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: The fact that it was her membership that got candled
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: the speaking out about women's rights is just beyond comprehension.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to one of Caleb's favorite topics,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: not horse racing and not adelaide, but his third favorite topic,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and that is the tobacco tax, which is causing a
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: massive black market in nicotine across this country. And if
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: you want to know just how bad it is, check
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: out this headline from the Daily Telegraph today. The ATO
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: has given up on measuring illicit tobacco market, admitting the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: stats are unreliable and it's so big they really don't
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: know how to calculate it. In fact, it's far bigger
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: than they have ever imagined. Back in twenty three, twenty four,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: they reckon the illicit tobacco market was worth about three
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: point two billion dollars. Now they're saying, Caleb, it's far
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: bigger than that. In fact, they've stopped trying to calculate
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the unpaid tobacco excis as part of their tax gap
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: figures they've just plane given up. Chris Mins and his
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Wales premier today said that it's quite obvious the tax
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: imposed on legal tobacco is driving the black market and
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the only way to sort out the organized crime gangs
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: is for the federal government to lift the tax or
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: at least peel it right back.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the feeds are the ones that have created
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: this problem, so I think it's incumbent upon them to
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: fix it. And I mean, you know things are bad
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: by the way. I mean that three point two billion
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: is way bigger than that. Yeah, I mean it's well
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: on the road to being eighty percent of the tobacco
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: that was a couple of years in this country is illicit. Right,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: And you know things are bad when the ATO is
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: no longer worried or concerned about calculating how much tax
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: they're losing, right, I mean the ATO comes knocking and
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: threatens you with legal action if you fail to pay
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: one thousand dollars backs or something that they send out.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: But now they're going, this thing.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Is just so big that we can't be bothered calculating
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: it anymore. Someone else go and deal with it. And
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: the money they're losing is significant. I mean, at twenty
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: nineteen twenty was sixteen point three billion dollars in the
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: tobacco tax that was raked in and then in the
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: latest budget for the last financial year, they pulled in
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: seven point four billion dollars. Now that's not because the
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: number of smokers in the country has more than halved,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: because the number of people buying legal cigarettes has halved.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: And that, by the way, was one point three five
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: billion dollars down on the mid year financial update. So
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: in a matter of six months they lost a billion
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: dollars in tobacco revenue and they've written down nearly seven
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: billion dollars more over the next five years. It is
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: so out of control.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: They don't know what to do about it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: And now the ATO doesn't care that they're losing tax.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: ATO would decide they don't care about the rest of us,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be good. We're going to go to a break.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: including no rape belief for mortgage holders. The as O
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: boss issues are stark terror warning for Australia and a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars, Gold Coast wedding interrupted by wildlife.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: All of that more in just a moment. Welcome back
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to the program. Before we get to the papers, breaking
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: news from the US, former Vice President Dick Cheney has
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: died at age eighty four. Dick Cheney served as VP
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to George W. Bush, and many regard him as the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: most powerful vice president in American history. He was, of course,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: primarily responsible calib for the War on Terror, so certainly
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: very influential, and died of complications with pneumonia. I believe,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: indeed about half an hour ago this news was released.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: And I guess the way history will look at him
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: probably depends on your view of the invasion of Iraq,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: because he was the main proponent of it in the
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Bush administration, pushed heavily forward in the aftermath of nine
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: to eleven on the basis of course of weapons of
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: mass destruction, which we now know did not exist. So
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: I think in the long term history will probably look
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: unfavorably upon him for starting wars that probably didn't need
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: to be started. But my favorite Dick Cheney anecdote is
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: we was out hunting in two thousand and six and
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: he accidentally shot another fellow who was a lawyer in
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Texas who went on to have some quite substantial complications
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: from it, I believe, But they both said it was
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: an accident, moved on from it. But by god, that
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: was a hullabaloo at the time.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: The only interesting thing about Dick Cheney, you know, how
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: he became VP for George W. Bush. He was originally
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: tasked with vetting potential vice president candidates and the guy
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: who was vetting the candidates ended up becoming the denomination one.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Way to get the job.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: It's also kind of sad because in his later years
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: he definitely was ostracized from the republic Party, especially once
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: the MAGA movement took over. Cheney was representative of the
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: old school neo conservatives of the Republican Party. And actually
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: in the twenty twenty four election, believe he cast his
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: vote for Kamala Harris.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: And so you know, once Republican.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Great, there you go. All right, let's go to the papers, Caleb.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: We've got to start with the Melbourne the Melbourne Course
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: course on the front.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Of the Heralds and what a ripper race it was.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Today's is a dream wedding. Historic Corefield Cup victory and
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: now the Melbourne Cup in twenty twenty five, they are
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: all yours. Jamie, Magnificent Melon creates history on half yours
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: to become the first female jockey to win the famed
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Cups double. And now, if you were watching the late
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: debate last night, you will know that I tipped half yours,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: so I hope you were on just as I was today.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: That was a nice little top up.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: It's one of the hard I'm not saying this pump
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: up my own ties, but it is one of the
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: hardest races in the country to pick because you get
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: these horses that come from overseas handicap race of courses,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: we know in the Melbourne Cup it's one of those
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: races where anything can happen. So thank god I was
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: able to not disgrace myself with my tip, but magnificent
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: to see only the second female jockey ever in history
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: to win the Melbourne Cup, the first to pull off
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: the double, and what a magnificent effort from the horse
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: half yours to pull off that double and come through
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: the strait as you did today. It was a fantastic race.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I was kind of annoyed by it because off air
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: last night Caleb was telling me just how difficult it
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: is to pick a Melbourne Cup winner. It's really hard.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: In fact, it's not even worth betting on because it's
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: so difficult. Then you actually told a suit of bet
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: on and that horse won, And the only reason not
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: even put a bet on at your word was because
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: you told me how unlikely it was.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: So you know, maybe well, just talking to you out
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: of it. Listen to some things I say and not ask.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Rates that stop the Nation is the headline. I like
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the play on words with the Melbourne Cup inflation's cold
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: grip on Ossie families. The article reads Australian households facing
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: a painfully long wait for their next interest rate cup,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: with the Reserve Bank of Australia admitting stubborn inflation may
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: not be stubborn inflation. I would have thought it's stubborn.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Government spending is the stubborn thing, but anyway, it may
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: not be back under control until well into twenty twenty seven.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Melbourne Cup Day brought no joy for mortgage holders, with
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the RBA keeping the cash rate on hold and of
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: course feeding into this Freyer is the government housing policy
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: making it easier for people to get their loan to
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: invest as a first home, first time home buyer, which
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: they have admitted and the RBA have warned is pushing
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: up housing prices. So the problem very much with the
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: government's housing policy and just the amount of money they
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: continually pumping into social welfare programs.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: And also immigration, which is keeping the rental market super tight.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: That's pushing up rents, that's pushing up house prices. And
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: you look at this and we just have the perfect
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: storm of financial.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Pain in our economy right now.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: But I think so much of it is masked by
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: the headline figures around unemployment, which don't look terribly bad.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: But when you dig into it and you think about
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: how much stress the average household is under with interest
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: rates right now, with housing cost cost of living, it's
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: really really bad.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: And you've got to consider as well that a lot
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: of it's been caused by the States taking off the
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: subsidies of energy, which really means that there was never
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: actually suppression of inflation. It was just government's artificially handing
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: money over to make it look like inflation didn't exist,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: when actually it was happening.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: So the other interesting article in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: and they've just got it advertised at the top of
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: their front page. On the strap revealed every Liberal MP
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: polled on Net zero just three back it in. You'll
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: have to go to pages eight nine of the Telegraph
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: tomorrow to find out who the three Liberal MPs are
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: that have said we want Net zero to remain. But
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: that is a pretty intriguing poll in the Telegraph tomorrow.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Brave people like Bim Yes, brave.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Indeed, in the Australian Tomorrow, the headline is his book
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Toier Extremists adopt Neo Nazi tactics, warns AZIO Chief Spy
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: chief Mike Burgess has lack in tactics used by Islamic
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: extremist group his book to Rear with Neo Nazis and
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: one of a realistic possibility that hostile regimes could replicate
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Iran's direction of anti Semitic attacks and attempt to assassinate
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: dissidence in Australia. EMID calls for the Albanesi government to
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: prescribe his book to Rear as a terrorist organization. The
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Australian Security Intelligence Organization Director General on Tuesday night, accuse
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: the group of using anti Israel rehetoric to fuel and
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: normalize wider.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Anti Semitic narratives.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: So not anything that we haven't already been talking about
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: for two years since October seventh, but to hear it
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: in such stark terms and that foreign regimes maybe looking
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: to conduct assassinations on Australian soil is pretty mind blowing
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: and probably unprecedented, I would say, in modern Australian history.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: He said there were three nations that were suspected of
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: being capable of and interested in doing such. I don't
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: think he named them, though, you just said there were three.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I think we can probably what they are.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: But it just reminds you how vigilant we need to
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: be of this stuff, particularly at the moment.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the towns with bulletin COLP.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Indeed, sorry I was a bit slow there on the UPP.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: I was just thinking about winning on half yours on
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: the Townsville bulletin tomorrow. It's his counter Terrorism task Force
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: NAB seven killer drone found in bust And this sort
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: of follows on from what we're just talking about. A
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: major Queensland counter terrorism operation has made seven arrests including
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: two in the North and allegedly needed illegal assault rifles,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: twenty kilograms of commercial explosives, and a number of operational IEDs,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: including a drone. It's understood the operational drone improvised explosive
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: device is the first such discovery of its kind in
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Australia and you have to wonder what someone would want
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: would have wanted to do with that the first time
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: they've found it. You can't imagine it's going to be
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: the last. But again it's proof of just how vigilant we.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Have to be. Absolutely all right, we're going to go
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: to a break. After the break, we'll show you the
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars Gold Coast wedding interrupted by wildlife.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And you don't want to miss our dope of the day,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: a police officer who would not look out of place
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: in one of those remember the Police Academy movies that's
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: coming up in a moment. All right, now, we're going
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: to take you to Toronto, Canada and introduce you to
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: a police officer who more than qualifies as our.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Time of the day.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: All right, now, let me set this up for you.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Police are chasing a woman in a shopping center car park,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: she's got a knife. She falls to the ground and
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: a police officer who's in a SUV forgets to put
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: his handbrake on as he jumps out of the car,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: which then rolls over her. He jumps back into the
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: car to reverse it orf Herbert forgets to put it
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: in reverse and then drives over her. Now we're going
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to point out she wasn't injured in this incident. We're
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: only going to show part of it because it's a bit.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: But here's our dope of the day. Now. The bit
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: we couldn't show you was when he hips to reverse
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: away from her, he doesn't put it in reverse. He
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: puts it in drive and goes over her. As I said,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: no one injured. But I reckon. Luckiest criminal ever. Whatever
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: offenses she may have committed, I reckon she'll hit the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: jackpot when it comes to litigating against the Toronto Police Department.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, how do you manage that? That is so bad?
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Or something else that could be potentially really bad? Imagine
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: being pooped.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: On by a bird at your wedding after one lands
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: on you. A couple, Mark and Maxine in Queensland narrowly
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: escaped that fate when a giant Cuoko baro landed on
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: the bride's head.
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: Have a look, even if I died tomorrow, it's a
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: really good sign.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Wow, that was a near miss.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I mean it could have been a pelican, so you
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: know she got off lightly.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Really it was huge though, and the look she was.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Like, oh well, I mean it could have been the
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: hard entertainment. You just sit there and laugh as opposed
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: to to sing. But you know how the song goes
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: cook the Bara sits on the bride to be You know, it.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: All makes perfect sense as to why it would be there.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: If you're worried about things landing on your hair, maybe
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: it's because you've recently gained a fair bit of it. Now.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: We all know Stephen Bradbury, of course, the ice skater,
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: the man who pulled off the Bradbury after everyone fell over,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: and he won gold at the Olympics, and he popped up.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I was watching the coverage of the Melbourne Cup to
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: day on Channel nine and who pops up at Stephen Bradbury.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Take a look.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: He seems to have improved his hairline quite significantly over
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: recent times. That's not just a small difference there of course,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: that's the old Stephen Bradbury at the top, and that's
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: the new Stephen Bradbury at the bottom.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: Trip to Turkey, anyone, don't laugh because James might be asking.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Enough.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: You call yourself a friend freyer and you end the
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: show with that. I I thought he looked pretty good.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I like the dreams.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Dreams. All right, We're going to stop the show because
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I feel like I will continue to be the butt
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: of jokes here. That's it from us to stick around.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Coming up is Rita Penney.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Good Night.