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Patriots Unfiltered 2/8: Coaching Carousel Around the NFL, What to Expect from Mac Jones in Year Two, Pro Bowl Recap · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl and you know, Richard Seymour might get into
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. And there's a lot going on
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  Speaker 1: this week. Man. Joe Judge, Joe Judge, what what about
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  Speaker 1: it might be back reports this morning as what offensive assistant? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just can't do it. They just can't do it, those
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  Speaker 1: little gray areas. Is that a problem for you a
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  Speaker 1: little bit? It is for me too, It is a
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  Speaker 1: little bits. It's I think it's becoming increasingly it's a
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  Speaker 1: pet peeve. I mean, why do we have to be different?
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  Speaker 1: Why why is it okay for everybody else to name
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  Speaker 1: the coordinator? Yeah, and I get it. I'm like, if
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  Speaker 1: everybody did that and it was kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: strategic thing in the first year, you don't do it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you don't want to lose the guy
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. But I don't know, do you think it's
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  Speaker 1: something to do with his contract that might be remaining
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  Speaker 1: with the Giants, that that whole like Bilema. Okay, if
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  Speaker 1: that's the reason, then okay, you cannot pronounce anyone's if
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  Speaker 1: there's like a contractual reason because of what's remaining with
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  Speaker 1: the giants, I'm okay with that. Yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was just that's possible, that is I suppose that is possible.
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  Speaker 1: I would say that that's that's a possibility in this
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  Speaker 1: particular case, but there have been too too many other examples.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't really have anything to do with their mindset. Man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and if the answer the question for me is if
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  Speaker 1: they like exhibited you know, the trace of a very
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  Speaker 1: well coached team that was a smooth operation, there would
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  Speaker 1: never any problems with communication. I would say, do whatever
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  Speaker 1: you want, give anybody whatever title you need. We haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen that over the last two or three years, with
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  Speaker 1: all of this vagary around who's who's in charge of what.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if we know who's in charge of what,
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  Speaker 1: But it certainly seems the players don't know who's in
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  Speaker 1: charge of what. I based on the defense some of
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  Speaker 1: the sloppiness that they've had. Yeah, they've had the offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 1: so you haven't seen that. Right now, We'll see if
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  Speaker 1: the offense is suffering from the same kinds of problems
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  Speaker 1: next year if they don't actually name a coordinator, which
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  Speaker 1: I think And the interesting aspect to this Judge thing
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  Speaker 1: is also like the Raiders were supposedly McDaniels and crew
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  Speaker 1: were trying to lure him back to them as a
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  Speaker 1: special team's coach as a coordinator. And if the job
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  Speaker 1: here is more expansive as far as offense and maybe
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  Speaker 1: potentially being an offensive coordinator, that seems like it might
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  Speaker 1: be more attractive to a guy who was just a
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  Speaker 1: head coach, and it probably has designs on becoming one
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  Speaker 1: again at some point. So what did it say that
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  Speaker 1: Judge was in line for in Vegas special teams coordinator?
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  Speaker 1: Just special teams. Now, remember when he last was here,
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  Speaker 1: he was the wide receivers slash special teams coordinator, so
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  Speaker 1: he was already starting to like right dip his toe
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  Speaker 1: into doing things other than that. Then he gets to
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  Speaker 1: coaching gigs. So now to go, Like, if you're him
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  Speaker 1: and Josh comes to you and says, hey, you're you
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  Speaker 1: need work be my special team's coordinator. I mean, it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you need work, but you're also like I was just
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  Speaker 1: a head coach. Right, that's kind of like and I
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  Speaker 1: think Josh is probably going to be his own coordinator probably. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's why I asked, because I had seen the stuff
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  Speaker 1: about Vegas, I hadn't seen specifically what. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: would agree with Eric. I would think that Joe Judge
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  Speaker 1: probably looks at that and saying I want to see
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  Speaker 1: if I can run off at that stage. Yeah, kind
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  Speaker 1: of reddefine his career a little bit and a half
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  Speaker 1: step back, but something that he's not totally foreign too.
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  Speaker 1: But had to think they we're gonna bring somebody familiar back.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit surprised. I mean, does this
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  Speaker 1: rule out Billy, Oh? I think it would. It all
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  Speaker 1: depends on maybe what they're bringing Joe Judge back for
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  Speaker 1: now we can say they're listening him. It's an offensive assistant,
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  Speaker 1: but that's the new coordinator and we might be right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but we might be wrong too bring it into coordinator, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: stil early, Yeah, all you could use both. Absolutely. I
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  Speaker 1: mean you're losing you're losing a lot of experience with Ivan, right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: that hasn't been announced yet. Evidently it has I know everybody.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to be the worst kept secret everybody around
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  Speaker 1: has been writing about it constantly, you know, Joe Judge
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  Speaker 1: coming back, But I don't know and moved the needle
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  Speaker 1: for me, I'll be honest. I don't know if it
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  Speaker 1: was Andy that brought up the point or on one
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  Speaker 1: of your shows. Um, but there is something to be
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  Speaker 1: said about you bring in, whether it's Billy O'Brien or
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  Speaker 1: Joe Judge, they don't want to stay here forever. They
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  Speaker 1: want to probably get another crack at a head coaching job.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, is there another thing that maybe you
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  Speaker 1: name him as assistant and then but you're at the
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  Speaker 1: same time cultivating somebody within who's going to be your
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  Speaker 1: coordinator for a longer term to give you that stability.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that would be the point against Billy oh, right,
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  Speaker 1: because you think if he comes into his offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 1: it has a good, good year. He's probably going to
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  Speaker 1: be on the interview circuit again. And now you have
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  Speaker 1: the chance of three coordinators in three seasons. Right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Judge isn't going to have that concern. Yeah that
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  Speaker 1: could be you can you can do that and probably
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  Speaker 1: not worry about it. Yeah, maybe I was just not
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  Speaker 1: quite as aware of it in the late two thousands,
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  Speaker 1: But it just seemed at that point they always had
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  Speaker 1: just a pipeline of coaches and these you know, guys
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  Speaker 1: like Josh and Maddy p who started out as and
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  Speaker 1: had been there forever, and then by the time they
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  Speaker 1: started to get promoted or to get more responsibility, you're like,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's been here forever. Like I don't really feel
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  Speaker 1: that yet with like Nick Kaylee or Mick Lombardi, like
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  Speaker 1: they've they've been here for a little bit. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I don't, Yeah, I don't think they're
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  Speaker 1: probably ready yet. Yeah, I think, you know, Kayley probably
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  Speaker 1: a little more than Lombardi. But yeah, I agree. I
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  Speaker 1: think that it felt and it might not be that
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  Speaker 1: much different in terms of actual years, but it just
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  Speaker 1: felt like McDaniels was around for longer. Well just you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was two thousands to two thousand and four, five years,
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  Speaker 1: and then he wasn't officially the coordinator at oh five, right,
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  Speaker 1: he got it in. Yeah, he was personnel assistant and
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  Speaker 1: coaching assistant in oh one, and he was a coaching
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  Speaker 1: assistant from O two to oh three, oh four to
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  Speaker 1: oh five he was quarterbacks coach. So it's probably the
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  Speaker 1: same yea, in terms of time. I just feel like
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  Speaker 1: he had more response. I was just gonna say, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when, whether it's Dable or McDaniels, I never
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  Speaker 1: paid attention to those guys until it was time to
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to him, and then I realized it, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know he was here that long. Yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: you see him like you kind of see them around. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel you don't really know what they're doing, what
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  Speaker 1: they're responsible for. But then all of a suddenly, like
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  Speaker 1: they get promoted and you're like, oh, yeah, I recognize him.
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  Speaker 1: He's been around here for a little but you don't
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  Speaker 1: really pay attention to them right there, these assistants, And
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  Speaker 1: then you look back at like the you know, twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirteen coaching staff or whatever, and it's all these guys
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  Speaker 1: who have gone on to head coaches that have all
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  Speaker 1: left within the last you know, five years, and it
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  Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like they've been able to catch their
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  Speaker 1: breath and constitute And I mean, I guess it's always
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  Speaker 1: an ongoing process, but there has there has been a
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  Speaker 1: lot of movement over the last three four years with
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  Speaker 1: coaches leaving, you know, turnover on the staff more so
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  Speaker 1: then it seemed like for a while there, it was
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  Speaker 1: like you had a pretty good run of pretty much
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  Speaker 1: a core coaching staff, and a lot of them were
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  Speaker 1: veteran coaches, so you didn't really have that kind of concern.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, now it's like, with all the turnover in
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  Speaker 1: the youth on the coaching staff. I think that's that
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  Speaker 1: maybe a reason we're seeing some of like the collapses
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  Speaker 1: and special teams and on defense in the second half
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  Speaker 1: of the year. I mean, a lot of this stuff
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  Speaker 1: is you know, maybe a little bit much for well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I mean. Last year we talked about they
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  Speaker 1: got a new team. Essentially, they brought in all these
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  Speaker 1: new players, and you know, the talk was, all right, well,
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  Speaker 1: how does Belichick manage that? But I just wondered, comparatively,
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  Speaker 1: what's it like having a new team with a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of new players versus I gotta get a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: new coaches? Is that more challenging in some ways for
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  Speaker 1: a coach like this, who has a specific message, who
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  Speaker 1: wants it disseminated a certain way, to not have it
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  Speaker 1: be a big, you know, a big staff. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I liked Paul's point, which was, you know, I always
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  Speaker 1: thought they had a small staff so that the message
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't get muddled and it could be a direct line
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  Speaker 1: from from Bbyond down. But there's been something missing, there's
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  Speaker 1: been a disconnect, and now how do you re establish
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  Speaker 1: those lines of trust with a bunch of new pieces
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  Speaker 1: that then you're gonna have coming in. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I understand why they're bringing Judge back, but at some
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  Speaker 1: point they're gonna have to get somebody who's gonna want
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  Speaker 1: to stay for a little while or promote one of
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  Speaker 1: these guys. And like we've said, you know, we always say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even Brady needed help, you know, so it
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  Speaker 1: does Bill, And you know, you wonder, like what is
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  Speaker 1: the structure with all these people leaving, who's doing what?
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  Speaker 1: Who's really accountable for each little thing? And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I keep thinking about, Okay, but they brought in Patricia
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  Speaker 1: last year. You know, how much is Patricia actually able
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  Speaker 1: and how much is Bill willing to take off his
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  Speaker 1: plate and give it to Patricia? So like you know,
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  Speaker 1: personnel and scouting, Like can Bill just really sit back
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  Speaker 1: and give that all to Patricia? It's a good point,
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  Speaker 1: so that all he's thinking about is football. Well, and again,
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  Speaker 1: like Mike made the point earlier about Judges remaining contract
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  Speaker 1: with the Giants, and Patricia was let go early from
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  Speaker 1: his contract with the Lions too, so there might have
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  Speaker 1: been something to the fact that he's senior football advisor
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  Speaker 1: this past year. Maybe he has a different role this year, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, right, maybe it's on the coaching staff all
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  Speaker 1: we know. I mean, I just would hate to find
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  Speaker 1: out that that's the fact, Like where sort of sacrificing
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  Speaker 1: coaching because of you know, money. Yeah, I would hate
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  Speaker 1: to find out that that's the that's the reason, because
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's not to me as much about
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  Speaker 1: the amount of coaches, because I I've often argued with you, Fred,
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  Speaker 1: I think there are a ton of guys that you
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  Speaker 1: don't know who they are because they don't give them
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  Speaker 1: titles that coach. Right, And the size of the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff is probably comparable to most others that there
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  Speaker 1: are probably some that have a lot more. But what
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  Speaker 1: has changed to me recently is the message and where
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  Speaker 1: the message is coming from. That was Mike's point that
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  Speaker 1: I thought he made. You know, I just all of
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  Speaker 1: those comments from the offensive players last year resonated with me.
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  Speaker 1: When you heard periodically about questions about the call and
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  Speaker 1: maybe we weren't in the you know, we weren't in
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  Speaker 1: the right situation there, And I just wonder if the
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  Speaker 1: message was the problem, like where it was coming from,
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  Speaker 1: who was giving it, and was everybody on the same page. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I was talking to Ted Johnson the
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  Speaker 1: other day because I was on one of my shows
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday that I was actually on a Sunday morning
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  Speaker 1: football show with Ted Johnson, and I asked him a
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  Speaker 1: couple of questions about that. You know, you know, as
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  Speaker 1: a defensive player, would you find it at all confusing
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  Speaker 1: if there wasn't an established hierarchy? You know, I know
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  Speaker 1: we don't know who the defensive coordinator is and we
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  Speaker 1: don't need to know, but do you think that there's
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  Speaker 1: a chance that the players don't exactly know who's in charge?
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  Speaker 1: And he said they certainly played like it at times
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  Speaker 1: last year, And he said after meetings, you know, after practice,
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  Speaker 1: he goes what you need is after practice every day,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, whatever the day, you're getting
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  Speaker 1: a message from somebody. And if that was the same
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  Speaker 1: guy after every practice, then it's really not that big
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  Speaker 1: of an issue because that's the guy who's in charge.
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  Speaker 1: But he said he wondered if maybe, you know, one
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  Speaker 1: guy was saying something after a practice and you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Belichick was saying something, maybe Mayo was saying something else. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and even if it's Bill, right, if like during the
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  Speaker 1: week and you know, Bill's the guy, but then you
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  Speaker 1: hear Steve say something or Gerad saying something, and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really need to listen to him. It's really
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  Speaker 1: only Bill. That's exactly what That's exactly what Ted said. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's how you get the problems is you
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  Speaker 1: decide who you're listening to and you and you're not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily listening as closely to the other guys, right, and
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: that's when you could get miscommunication and not everybody on
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  Speaker 1: the same page. Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking back
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: to my old industry of how hard it is to
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: allow for the DGA to allow two people to direct
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: a film, and it usually only they allow its Director's
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  Speaker 1: Guild of America. Okay, so you like, there's never co
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: directors of a movie really unless they're brothers. Yeah, But
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  Speaker 1: I look at it similarly because I think a film
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: like that where you've got an army of people trying
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  Speaker 1: to complish. I just I see it similarly where one vision,
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  Speaker 1: one person. Some of the TV shows that I worked
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  Speaker 1: on that were most successful one person, one vision. And
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  Speaker 1: I think when you get into this area, like like
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  Speaker 1: we've been talking about, where there's just not consistency and messaging.
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  Speaker 1: I also like the personality of the defensive coordinator. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like Robert Salo when he was with you know,
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco. I mean it's kind of funny, but still
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't like those guys. But but you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like there's guys like that. Even I would
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  Speaker 1: throw Romeo Cornell in there. Not the same type, but
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  Speaker 1: like had a personality and and maybe you know an essence. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the guy in charge. You can watch the sideline.
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  Speaker 1: You don't need to look at the media guide. That
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  Speaker 1: guy is the one in charge, right, That's what I
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  Speaker 1: wants what it lacks. And and then one more point
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  Speaker 1: I just want to make that I've been thinking about
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  Speaker 1: is with someone like Steve Belch, and I understand that
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  Speaker 1: you know, he is got the crosshairs on him because
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  Speaker 1: he's the son of Bill, and expectations and nepotism and
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  Speaker 1: all those things that people want to talk about with him.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, he obviously is a very experienced coach
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  Speaker 1: at this point, and how long do you really give
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  Speaker 1: a young defensive coordinator in training to make these kind
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  Speaker 1: of mistakes where we got the wrong call there? You know,
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  Speaker 1: like there has to be some kind of learning curve.
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  Speaker 1: But I just I don't know if Steve Belichick's ever
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  Speaker 1: going to get a fair shake here just because of
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  Speaker 1: who he is and his dad. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think when we talked about the best thing maybe for
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  Speaker 1: him would be to go somewhere else and to have
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  Speaker 1: success outside of this system. I just I have I
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  Speaker 1: really wonder if people are going to accept him if
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  Speaker 1: he were to become the defensive coordinator. And you know
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  Speaker 1: how hard it is for people just to give him
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of slack because he is you know, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he is a Belichick, but he certainly has been around
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  Speaker 1: this his whole life. He's grown up in it, just
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  Speaker 1: like Bill did to an extent. So you know, there
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  Speaker 1: is something there. I feel like, But I just I
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  Speaker 1: feel like he's going to get a bad rap no
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  Speaker 1: matter what. I don't think he's gonna get a chance,
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  Speaker 1: and I guess, you know, there's the compass Shanahan, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but like he went off on his own and and
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  Speaker 1: did his own thing. Yeah, yeah, established his I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and then did he ever work for his still? I
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  Speaker 1: think briefly he did, didn't he? I don't, But in
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  Speaker 1: general those guys have I think you're right, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think it. They might have gotten their start, but then
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  Speaker 1: they have quality control guys and then they go side
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  Speaker 1: and then they go somewhere right before I think the
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  Speaker 1: Schottenheimer's did the same thing. Yeah, because you get into
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  Speaker 1: this point where what if your son isn't performing, you know,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: and then that adds another layer that people have talked
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: about here as well. But it's it's hard. I I
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: don't know how they're going to suss out Mayo and
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Steve Belichick. I don't know how that breaks up unless
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: one and it doesn't look like it's going to change.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It doesn't look like those I thought the sort of
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: the wheels were turning from Mayo going somewhere yea, even
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't as a promotion just to go somewhere,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: like do you flip one of them doesn't look like
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: the other side of the ball or to special teams
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: or you know, do you do you move one of them?
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I don't and give one of them the job. Well,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I have a question for you guys, um related to
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: coaching and Joe Judge here that because I just saw
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: something on my show Freddie Yeah, on the sports is
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: it if you bring in a coordinator? Is that now
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: subject to the Rooney rule as well as head coach?
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: If you interview candidates for I don't know, coordinator job,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: because they put something up there that suggesting, might Joe
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Judges offensive assistant title be a way to circumvent the rule?
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't. I didn't. I wasn't aware time for that.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't either, I wasn't terrible time for it. Yeah, Um,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: but I didn't think that coordinators were subject. I didn't. Yeah,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: that's why I was. I was asking. I thought it
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: was head coaches and personnel like GM. Yeah. I think
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I thought that's all it was for. I don't know
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: or at least how the language is written in the rule.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: All right, So that's all there. And then, of course, uh,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the flake Gate Patriots. It's been proven now that the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: league definitely screwed the Patriots. I mean we already knew
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: that either destroying stuff, releasing false stuff, leaking stuff. I mean,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: so when the League was destroying stuff that was okay,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't because they were No. I mean,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you know, like you just and so. Can you blame
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady that he didn't want them to see his
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: cell phone with all this personal stuff on it? Can
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you blame him? No? The way they behave No, No, No.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I I just always thought it was if only that
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: was the reason, A crazy glimpse behind the curtain with
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff that was put out by the
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Patriots during that time of seeing like apoplectic Stacy James
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: emails to the League of like, you know, I thought
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: that to me, that was like some of the most
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: impactful stuff to just see how they're like, why would
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you allow this to stand? Why? You know? So I
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I just think the report came out immediate almost immediately, yeah,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: like the next week and then Mortenson remember how Mortenson
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: refused to sort of but the report came out that
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: that that was the ultimate report, the eleven out of
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: twelve balls were grossly underinflated, right, And that was shot
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: down like immediately it wasn't. Yeah, it was. It was
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: months later. It was months later that Mortensen offered a retraction.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: It was it was actually four months later, I believe,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: yea before he did. But that report was immediately called
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like a week later, called into question, well called in
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: the question. But the league, No, it was refuted the league.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: The league is very quick to refute things that helped them,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: but they did not refute that. The league. The league
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: is the one that league. No. I just don't think
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: there was really anything I thought yesterday was much ado about. No.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I don't the fact that they said, well, we're going
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to do a year long study here, and then they
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: do the study, the study proves the Patriots contention, and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: they they get rid of all that evidence. Yeah, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: just feel like, what was that. I feel exactly the
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: same way I did at the time. I think the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: punishment and all the stuff that went along with it
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: was absurd. I thought I thought that then. I don't
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: think any differently of it today. Yeah. I also think
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: that they did it well did what underinflated balls? They
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: had it. I think they had a system in place
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to doctor the balls. Yeah, I think I don't. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: don't think that they proved it. That's that's where I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: would step back. I think what they did is they
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: took air out of balls to get it down to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the legal limit. Now you could say you're not supposed
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to do that either, you know, I just said doctored balls. Yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and I think they did it on a consistent basis
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: based on those But you know, everyone change, Everyone talks
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: about those text change, But in those text change was
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: also Brady saying to them, if you have to bring
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in the rule book, bring it in to show them
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that we can bring it down to twelve point five.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And nobody talks about that. You know, that's all he wanted.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: He wanted it down to the lowest limit, and you
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: know they would the rest would puff it back down
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: against the Jets, right, That's what That's when he went
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: ballistic because it was up to thirteen point five or whatever.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: His guys got mad at them for yelling at them whatever.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, they probably did. That's what they said,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he'll be throwing medicine balls. Yeah, you know, so I
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: don't really want to get into that. I think I like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I like I said, I said it at the time,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: and I'll say it now. It was the most ridiculous,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: overblown story ever in The punishment was absurd. The punishment
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: was absolutely absurd. He did not deserve to get suspended
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: at all, and the Patriots didn't deserve to lose what
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: they lost in terms of draft picks. But freaking league,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and and what happened early on, and some of this
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is the Patriot's fault too. People like on both sides,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the league and the Patriots dug their heels and it
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: became such an ego thing. That's why you became such
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: an ego thing. Yeah, it's so weird that the NFL's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: relationship with its teams with the media. It's I can't
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: think of anything else like it in any avenue of
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: life of how the NFL r if you ever in
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: all seriousness, and I know that there's a lot of
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: corporate you know, uh, missteps in all walks of life,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: but I can't imagine that an organization that's as successful
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: as the NFL that makes consistently more mistakes in the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: pr realm, Like right down to this Brian Flores lawsuit
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that within two hours they put out a statement saying
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: it's without merit. Right then the next day they admit
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: we're gonna look into this throwing of the games. Then
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: two days later it's like this grandiose statement from Roger
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Goodell about the hiring practices and we need to look
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: into discrimination. I get an idea, hop about instead of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: saying just knee jerk, yeah, it's without merit, maybe do
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a little research and find out. I mean, for you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: p salient balls, we're gonna have a wells rapport. This
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: has no merit, right holy Cross Grad's head. But now
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it's going to be you know, you're gonna get I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if they'll divulge all the information. Look what
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: happened with Washington, There'll be enough. Haven't let those all
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of that investigation be public. No, nothing will come out
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that will be harmful to any owner. Do you think
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that's a great point and that do you think, like
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I everyone always hates Roger Goodell, and I'm like, it
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. He's just the figurehead guy who gets gets
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: paid a ton of money to take all the arrows.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's gonna like do that job. You
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: think he's doing a great I don't mind that. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: don't mind that he takes the arrows he's just so
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: smug and arrogant while doing it, like you would think
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you would just step back a little bit and say,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: all right, I gotta take I gotta be the public
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: face of this, you know, I gotta I gotta eat
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a little humble poss no self awareness ever, not just
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: gun right ahead without I mean, how could anyone say
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that two hours later? Right? Right? But then, just like
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the relationship between the owners and the league, and they
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: run it, but they the owners are the league, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the owners are the league. They are what they want happen.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It's not Roger. I'm like, let's do it this way.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: They do a lot of things wrong, and yeah, because
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they have right, all right, it's the product on the field.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: People love that game so much because you have the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: last six games that went down to the last player
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of the game, and we're all riveted exactly. Yeah, if
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: they didn't have that, then they'd be totally screwed, all right.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And then of course, you know, I know you guys
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: probably talked about it at link with Tom Brady last week,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, I don't think he didn't mention the page,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like don't talked about it. Yeah, but you know, since then,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: stuff has come out. He's you know and everything like that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting his comments um just
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the other day about he's never never say never last yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: about playing again. So that's what I said Eric today,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I look America, I'm like Eric everready in this season.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So Mac got a bad game last week, maybe they'd
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: be the one day not even I don't think he'll
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: ever play for the Patriots, But what are the chances
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the Patriots convinced him Brady to come back and play
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season and win It's Super Bowl.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I genally when retire, I'm always
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you know, he's retired. Like, no, I don't think he's
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: playing this year right Based on that comment, he struck
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: me as a guy that didn't want to retire, is
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: only doing it to a piece his wife. Yeah, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: maybe four or five months go by and maybe his
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: wife says, you know what, he's not that happy or
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not happy with him. I'm not that happy. Why
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: don't you play? If you want to play, go play
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: your little game. I think he's holding the door open
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: for San Francisco. I think he's something. I think so.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I think because Jimmy's already said I expect to get trade.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: He's gonna get traded. Yeah, there's gonna be a ton
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, so we're gonna have to go through this
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: whole time. I think again always, oh, really educated they come,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you know. I think that's the best way to put it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't think anything never. You know, you never
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: say never, And you know, at the same time, I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: know that I'm very I feel very good about my decision.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: So I don't know it feels six months from now. Oh,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: how's that out of Yeah, it's I don't think it's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: out of content. I think he's saying what he's saying.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I think a guy who just retired and that's never
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: say never's overblown. No, no, yeah, I mean I heard it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I disagree with you a little bit, Matt. I love
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that you got the sound in though, so
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: we can hear him play this is kind of what
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I was talking. That was my homework, Thanks mattum action,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: so we can actually hear his context and sort of.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: And like I said, I disagree with Matt a little bit.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's a very easy answer to someone who
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: just retired six days before. Yeah, to say no, I'm retired.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I'm retired. My playing days are behind. I think he's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: telling you, didn't say that. He's telling you, Yeah, I'm
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: happy with my decision. But no, I'm never gonna say never. Like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: what do you have to be the one guy who
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: won't be proven a liar by saying that you tired?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: If you decided to change your mind, we'll go ask Gronk. Right,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we start Gronk through the whole pony show of he's
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a whole I just know Brady is gonna be driving
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: everybody not at home, So he's gonna be like challenging
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Vivy to like games a candy lander. No no more, Dad,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: imagine like losing, losing right in her face. Oh no,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I do I think he's coming back? No, I don't.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I think he's retired. But I think that answer rightly
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: will lead to speculation. And I think if there's a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: situation that comes up, say in July, like I think
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that might be what he's looking for. His superstar team
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: loses their quarterback to or can I keep playing but
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: not do all that stuff? Yeah? Oh you know, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I know that that runs counter to him, but maybe
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: he kind of like Carr and OTAs, But that does Like,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think he would just hop on a team
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: who is, you know, in a crisis because their quarterback
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: got hurt or whatever and just to get out there.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I think I think he wants You don't think he
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: wants wants to be that that savior. Yeah, but I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: don't I think he I think he would understand that. Yes, yes, yeah,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think he knows how hard it is. Yeah, Like,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: but I but I could see it. The San Francisco
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers said to him, We're gonna throw you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. Come play for a year. This kid
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: will watch you. Because he's not ready yet. He might
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: do it with Tampa let him go. Well that's the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: other thing, you know, they're in the same conference and yeah, yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: so it's complicated. But I'm with Paul. I think at
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, we've seen the last of him. Yeah,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I think he's probably retired. I agree with Matt that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: You know, he did say, you know, I'm happy with
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: my decision, right, you know, I listened to the whole thing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: But I just don't know why you would need to say,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you know, the door never say never leaving the door open.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't even need to hear that just to know
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it'll be eating him up because of how competitive he is.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And I mean, you don't play this long in this
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: league without him be able to just put it down
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and step asidebody days you think he's gonna make waffles.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So enough, But here's the thing you say that, like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: he would have no interest in coming back here. I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past Robert Craft to be able to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: convince him to do it. He's the ultimate bridge builder,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and now Bill would probably be helped against. What do
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you do with Mac? Yeah, well Mac Max sits and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: watches for a year and you think that's good. Why
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: not then you don't think he's as good as you've
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: been telling It's not as good as Tom Brady. The
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: only scenario where I could see that Mac, I don't
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: think Max good. Once again his position. Let's let's let's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: say that over the next year they start adding pieces
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and for you know, they become a legitimate playoff in
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Super Bowder again. No, in reality, the season starts, season
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: has started, okay, and they're like, let's say they're ten
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and two and all of a sudden, Mac goes down
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and he's lost for the season. Bring him in right,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and then like maybe maybe Robert picks up the phone
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and says, hey, Tom, we got a chance to do
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: something here. And he says, that's different. Now a hero. Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I've got ten games or seven games, whatever, All right,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I'll come back. Sign me, yeah, sign And now we
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: have to hope that Mac gets hurt and the Patriots
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: are good. See again, I mean I can have that
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: clip played back for the again. You do not think
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: your quarterback is as good as Tom Brady, No as
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you tell me that you think he is. No, I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: think he's good. I said many men. Why would you
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: hope for him to get hurt so you could get
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Brady back? You said, now we have to hope. I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: was joking, Andy Hart. I know you're joking. I understand that.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: What my point is, you shouldn't want Brady back if
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you think Mac is as good as you say that
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you think he is. I don't know. I just because
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: right this second he's not as good as is Brady
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean Brady you don't want him to play more
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: experienced one more year with Tom. I don't. I don't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: care who my cord we haven't even talked about the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: crap The crap sheet, I guess has a report out
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport the Patriots may not hire an offensive coordinator
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: this edition gives them added leadership, I guess is something
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that he may have Joe Judge out. Yeah, I don't know.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. Yeah, and not Judge in particular,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: although I don't like that either, But that's that's beside
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the point. That's just a personal thing for me. I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: don't like the idea of not hiring an offensive coordinator.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah I don't. I don't either. I I really don't either.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: But the question is, who then is our offensive coordinat
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: if and if Joe Judges the facto coordinator, has they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: have a call plays? I don't know. I don't believe so.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know because I don't think that because he
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: had Jason Garrett as his OC for most of the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: time there right right until they goted it half half
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of the season last year, and he didn't want them.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: And who was the one before that voisted upon him?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: He must have had somebody the year before, but I
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: don't recall. No, but whatever, they weren't good at it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: The Giants offense was not good either way. It's something
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: new I just and it just goes back to dividing
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: it up. Do you have somebody who can take over?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Can Joe Judge? I got Mac in the offense? You
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: guys go worry about the d like it's it's it's
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: hard not to see Bill being spread too. That's the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: thing to me. How much does Bill actually have to do? Right?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: That's what worries me now, Like if Joe Judge titled
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: or no is is Bill's confident with him taken over
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the offense, great, but he's gotta let him do that right,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: you know. See if I were Bill, well, the way
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I look at it. Do you remember back in the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: late eighties early nineties, when Florida State was like perennially,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you know, in the top five and competing for national championships.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: There was a point there where Bobby Bowden was starting
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to get towards the end there and he barely lifted
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a finger. By all accounts from people who covered the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: seminoles back then, he was the figurehead of the school
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and the and the program, and he let all of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: his assistants do pretty much everything. He would kind of
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: have like this perch over. Yeah, the guys like that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: He would have this kind of perch overlooking the practice
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: field and he would sort of watch and if he
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: had to chime in on something, he would, but he
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: would let his assistance run the show. And you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: on game day he'd stand there on the sideline. He'd
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: make you know, if he calls in there and do
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: some things. But he was at the point in his
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: life and in his career where he felt like, I'm
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: sort of taking a step back here, and I'm you know,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: easing up on things, and I trust my assistance to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: do the work that's needed. I'm just the figurehead. I
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: would have assumed five ten years ago that by this
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: point Bill would be in such a position that he'd
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: be able to do that, he'd be able to sort
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: of step back and say, I have enough confidence in
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: my underlinks here that they can do the job. They
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: don't need me to be involved in every little bit
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: of minutia every day. And it's a little surprising to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: me that at this late stage in Bill's career he
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: still having to be involved and do this thing, or
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: maybe wants to be involved and do that kind I mean,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: if you're Robert Kraft. Do you pay Bill Belichick to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: step back? You know, you want him involved, But on
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the other hand, you don't want him spread too thin,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you know. So that's the thing, you know, it's it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: a balance there. You know, you don't pay Bill Belichick
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to just kind of walk no. No. But but my
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: point is, like Bobby Bowden could have, like if you
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: saw something on defense, he'd go over there. I saw
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: something on special teams, he'd go over there. If Bill
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: is like in charge of the defense, we saw it
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: plenty of times where like the offense is running around
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and and he's on the sideline completely faced the opposite way,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: writing on a grease board, talking to his guys, no idea,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: what's going on over there. He should be able to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: know what's going on at all times with all aspects,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: especially during the game, especially and in practice. Like I
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: think Bill has said it, like just a few years ago.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I love it because I can do whatever I want. Sure,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: he can go like kind of like you know, but
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: in a game when it really counts, like he's not
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: paying attention to like right half of the game, right,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: And I do you want that if you're paying him
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: all that? You know what I mean like he should be.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, and we did see that a lot, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: so something in Bill told him, I need to go
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: over to the defense and make sure they know what
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: to do. And you can interpret that. I don't trust
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: whoever else to do that, Like I need to go
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: over there, you know, because I can't trust that Gerard
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: or Steve or saying what I need I think needs
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to be said here, you know. So and I you know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I could be you know, speculating and being totally wrong,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: but that's the way it looked. It's like I gotta
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: be over there. Yeah, you know, it's urgent. Yeah, right,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And that to me is a little bit of a
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: concern at this point, right, And it's just it's coincided
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: with a lot of these coaches departing guys like Dante Scarnekia,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you know, trusted voices who maybe not aren't running whole units,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: but are certainly capable like he does, yeh, Scar And
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: didn't need Bill looking over his shoulder to coaching the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: old line, okay, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: just I mean, and you know, and I don't know
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: how like teams in the NF I'll do it or
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: even this team. But I wonder if there's a balance.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: The younger your team, the older your coaches need to be,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if everyone's young, that's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: not good. Yeah, you know, I don't know. I don't know.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, since he's a young team with a young coach,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and LA has a young head coach, but that's an
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: old team. But it's an older team. Yeah, so there
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you go. I mean, I don't know what their average ages,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: but they have a lot of veterans that they've traded for. Yeah. Yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I just would Stafford Miller, back Backham, Jalen Ramsay, guys
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that were already established in the NFL, and they got
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: traded for OBJ, who, by the way, said he was
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: very very very very close to being a paid four
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I believe it was four veterans, right, And then for
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: me this morning also said that about the Saints. Oh really,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: then it was close. I don't know how many varies.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know we had four variers though. I did
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: read into that though, because he said something something along
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the lines of, yes, if Brady was years ago, if
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Brady were here, I'd just signed, right, that's why. And
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: then they said, you know, I would have been honored
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to play, you know, for Bill, but it was really
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Brady who was the deciding factory. I'm like, I'm like, ah,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: they reached out to me, but they're not what they
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: used to be, right. I went to the team that's
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: a super Bowl and I know that everyone said, like
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Obj has been great in the LA and I still
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: don't trust him. I don't got that one too, Matt.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I don't very, very, very very I don't trust Ob
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: j you know, like things are good right now? Yes,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and like even after that last game, who
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: was I forget the quarterback? He went over to console afterwards,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: he um, after the game, Uh, Jimmy Jimmy. No, No,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: so it was the game before that? Then? No, who's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: ob j oh No, it was the wide receiver. Yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: he comes after having a strong show and makes this
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: job teas this big show of consoling Deebo Samuel even
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that I don't trust you'll get there, but I don't
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: trust the motivation there. Like, was that for Deebo Samuel?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Was that for me? Well, I think there's a lot.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think there's a lot of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that in those kinds of things. Yeah, I will say
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: in full maya culpa mode. I was wrong about Odell
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Beckham um in someone. You know, we were talking about
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: this on Twitter the other day with someone and he
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: agreed with me at the time, and we you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: we were wrong. He's made an impact, oh yeah, for
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the Rams. I didn't think he would. I thought Bobby Trees.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I mean, it'd be interesting if Bobby
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Trees didn't get hurt what he would be doing, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: if that lesser role that he would have would have
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: caused a problem. But that wasn't an issue here. Yeah,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: because he would have come here and been the he'd
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: been the guy. It'd have been the guy. So I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: didn't think he had this kind of production in him
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: at this stage. I thought the injuries had taken a toll.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I mean not saying I thought he was overrated. I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: don't think he was overrated. I think he was a
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: great player. I just thought that the injuries had slowed
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: him down a little bit. I was wrong, Yeah, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: mean production was absolutely But I'm just talking about the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: other things, you know, like when things don't go well,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: who is he? I still don't trust that, I you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: is he still under contract for another year with the
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Rams orus this it. I thought it was a one
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: year Yeah, it was a one year deal. I wouldn't
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: take him back. No, especially after you said maybe if
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Brady was there, well he might be shows you with
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: his true feelings, you know. Yeah. Well that's why I'm
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: like easy on the varries, like were you really considering
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: it or did they just reach out very very He's
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like the pen got like an inch to that. No,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm gonna go to the Ram. Yeah,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: he's he's a free agent. And by the way, he
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: didn't get anything from the Rams. Now it's like a
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: million bucks, so it's not like, you know, the Patriots said, yeah,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: we'll take you for the minimum. He's like, no, no,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But all things being even if both teams are giving
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: me a million bucks, I'll go with the Rams, you know,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: because they're close closer, Right, I'm just saying, it's not
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: like the Rams, you know, outbid everybody. Yeah, they didn't
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: pay anything for but they're more settled teams. Absolutely, all right,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: all a lot of stuff on the table. Five pats
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: five hundred is the ace ticket hut Line web radio
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Um did I miss anything? Well,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the pro Bowl. We kind of glanced over Mac and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you caught any of it other
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: than the Mac um Yeah, but it was just I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: had to google what gritty. Yeah. I wasn't planning on
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: watching it. My dad wanted to see Mac play a
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: little bit, so we turned it on at the start
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of the game. And I knew Mac wasn't gonna be
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the starter, but we turned it on and the first
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: ten minutes I'm like, this is this is atrocious. Yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I were a paying fan, I would
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: have gone to the ticket office immediately and demanded a refund.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just a bunch of clown guys
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: clowning around like it's less than a walkthrough. I mean,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I've seen more competitive flag football games. Yeah. Everyone, I know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: it was horrendous. Everyone the same thing. Everyone had the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: same reaction. I was like, my wife was like, why
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: are you laughing so hard right now? I'm like, this
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: is a joke right now. I don't even know if
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: they're playing two hand in touch or like kind of
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: wrapp The reps were in on it, because they were
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: blowing the whistle immediately. They were I tell you, I mean,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: like on the risk knew what was going on because
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: as soon as the guy would make contact, they did,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: they come rushing in to set the ball down, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: like it's like they knew going in that this was
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: gonna be as as you know, I did not watch
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and have not watched UM in fifteen plus years, So
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I do have a quick que I will tell that story. Second,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I just a quick question to those that that did
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: watch and do watch on a semi regular basis to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, like was this a march departure? Like, yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: even wat was it even worse? Because I remember the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: whole You know that the infamous Sean Taylor lighting up
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the poor punter Brian Morman. Yeah, um, when, by the way,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Belichick called a fake punt in the Pro Bowl, got
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a punter absolutely killed. Um hit to the head. That
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: would have been a pounter. That hit stood out so
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: much because it was in a Pro Bowl, right, because
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: you don't hit like that in a Pro Bowl. So
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that had a punter that was a long time ago. Yeah,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if this was just sort of a
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: continuation of what's been happening with the Pro Bowl. I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: don't watch, so I don't have anything to compare it
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: to but what Deuce is laughing at is Beth. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: now you're just like watching Succession Sunday night. We're watching
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: that instead of the Pro Bowl. And Beth is on
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: her phone and just scroll and she's like, oh, Mac
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: ran sixty five yards for a touchdown. And I said, no,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: he didn't. I hadn't. I hadn't seen anything. I had
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: no idea what was going on. Yeah, And she's like, well,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: what do you mean it's right here? I said, there's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: no way under any kind of live circumstance Mac Jones
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: ran sixty five yards for a touchdown. It just it
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: can't happen unless everyone fell down last, right, or it
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: was like one of those things where you have like
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: a young kid and everybody like And then she's like
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: talking to me about the Pro Bowl dance and everything.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I go, that's justin jeffer That that's the gritty. That's
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: justin Jeffersons dance. I don't know what it means, but
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: that's what they call it, the gritty. And she's just like,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: how do you know, let me see. I go, yeah,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: see right here, the referee running over Like I said,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: that was about a four yard run right, I said
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the rest of it. Everybody stopped. She's like, uh, yeah,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you're right. I go, yeah, he's not capable of running
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: sixty five yards with NFL players chasing him right and
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: winning the race. I had to google gritty. I didn't
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: know what that. Man. I knew the Justin Jefferson dance
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: when my kid was doing, but I'm like, what is
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the gritty Everyone was telling the gritty the Gritty degree.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that was the name of the dance. Well,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: that's what they call it on the highlights all the time.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: But I don't, you know, I don't know where. I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: don't know where it came from. I don't know what
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it means. I can't do it. I can't dance. You
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: have your own dance, you know. Good for Mac to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: get that experience and get out there. And that was
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: a cool away. He won the skill Squad, he won
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the accuracy Um. Yeah, he had an interception when he
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: won the thread the Needle he s yeah, the accuracy
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson put on a display. Um. But that stuff
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: was fun. It was just cool. I like that was
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: They were all very cold that and I think it
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: was Thursday night. Yeah, yeah, it was very cold. The
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: announcers had like the puffy coats on, like it was
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: that cold desert cool. Yeah, night, it gets cold to night.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Back on watching Mac get to just interact with all
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: those NFL stars and and just to see him in
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that position, and it's just a nice cap for a season,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: little chill. I enjoyed some of the skill stuff. I
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: watched the accuracy, and I watched the thread the needle.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I thought skilled himself. He picked off up and he
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: ran into like the corner of the board where the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: targets are. I thought he was dead. I thought for
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: sure he heard his shoulder. Yeah, like I thought he
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: had done something. He's something because he stopped after that, which,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: by the way, is kind of why Mac won. Right
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the thread the needle, Uh, well, he threw he so
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: he threw an interception obviously, the pick six to Digs
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: here against the Cowboys. Then he threw the pit. He
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: threw an interception to him in that, and then in
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl he threw so he's thrown it three
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: interceptions to Digs. With with the write and centives. With
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the write and centives, you can make basketball and baseball
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: are worthwhile. All Star Game You can't do it with
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: hockey and football. You just can't because that's not the
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: way the games. Even say hockey a little bit, you
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: probably could be football. It's just non it's just hard
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to dictate. It's hard to take the physicality out of
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the games. Yeah, I think what the what the NHL
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: is done is as good as you can make it.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: They've set up the divisions and they play three on
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: three games and it's kind of like a round robin
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: tournament yea, and the winner so it's all skilled and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: you're not I mean, three on three under normal circumstances
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: isn't very physical. You can't be right. So I think
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: that's a good solution for that. You can't do anything
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: with football. The only sport that you can really play
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: real is baseball. Yeah, but to your point, you could
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: say to basketball players, yeah, extra extra five million per
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: per player on the right, and they'll play defense. Yeah,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you know, and they'll play team absolutely. All right, five
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: five passive hundred ticket hut line. Let's go to the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: ah ticket line. Marks and Bolton, what's up? Mark day?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: To give up a legal drug? All right? What's the madam? Mark?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: The offensive coaching situation is as reported, Bill making sure
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: there's no long term ascension plan for head coach, and
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that's just how he wants it. I mean, I think
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: he's like holding out for the long haul, hope for
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: his kids and okay, a Mark, let me, I'm gonna
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna wean you off of
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: the heroin that you're doing. So we're gonna, I'm gonna
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: help you out here for a second. This is something
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that Fred taught me twenty years ago. The next head
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: coach of the Patriots will not have anything to do
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: with only what Bill Belichick wants. He might have some input,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: it's not but it won't be his decision to make.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: It will be Robert and Jonathan Kraft's decision. Right. So
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the fact that there's if there is, like the fact
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: that Josh McDaniels is no longer here, does not do
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: anything to that. If Robert wanted Josh McDaniels when he
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: was here, then he had a chance to succeed Bill Belichick.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: If he didn't, it wouldn't matter if he was still here.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And Steve Belichick isn't any closer to being the head
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: coach that succeeds his father. Unless Robert and Jonathan Kraft
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: want it that way, it's their decision. It will be
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: their choice, not Bills, right, and I'm all in on
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that Oka saying there is no ascension plan right now,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: But you don't need an ascension plan. You need to
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: know who Robert and Jonathan want to be the next
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: co I mean, really, look at every team in the league.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: There's very few teams that have their head coach on
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: their staff. The next head coach they just had never
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: just had nine openings, one of them went to a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: guy on staff. If I'm not two and Dennis Allen right,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: two out of the nine went to guys that were
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: on the staff, and you could question why that happened. Well,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: my further point is that in Bill avoiding the two
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: outside minority oct candidates by avoiding the Rooney rule, I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: really think Bob and Jonathan are going to step in
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna make their own organizational statement right here,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and that's going to appoint Gerard Mayo as the assistant
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: head coach. And reason being that all needs. I think
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the organizational coaching experience and the paths need him. I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: think the players want him, and it will separate Mayo
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: from you know, from the kids, and it also, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: does set up a situation where maybe it also enhances
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Mayo's ability to leave here. But either way, something's got
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: to change organizationally, and I think that Bob and Jonathan
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: aren't just going to let this mishmash go on what
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: we got right now. Yeah, the last thing I'd want
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: is the Crafts, Robert or Jonathan to start you know,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you call it meddling, but getting more involved than they
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: have been. Now this is not Listen, if the team
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: stinks for the next couple of years, Bill is going
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to be gone, you know, So the Crafts aren't going
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to get involved in that. And like, I don't know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know if Gerard Mayo's anybody than Steve Belichick,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know that, you know, So, like why would
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: they do that? I know, I listen, We'll see what happens.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: If anything that or the outward look at the organization. No, no,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: they're doing right now it looks like no, it's it's
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: about winning football games. Right, that's gonna that's gonna cause
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: all kinds of problems if you did that, even if
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: you thought it was the right thing to do you know,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think they would do that. Yeah. I don't
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: think you need to worry about that as much as
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: you think, Mark. Yeah, I think it'll be up to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the crafts. Yeah yeah, well yeah, and I think they're
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: going to do something about it, all right, But anyway,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: all right, thanks Mark. I don't think something needs to
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: be not about not right now. Yeah, No, you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I think, Mark, you know, I think I don't think
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you should get back on I just don't think that
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you need to spend time worrying about is there a
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: guy on the staff that's in line to replace the
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: head coach. I don't think any other team thinks of
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: it that one. No, I don't know why it would
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: have to be that way. For all I know, there's
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a guy that that Robert Kraft has targeted for the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: replacement for Bill Belichick for years and we just don't
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: know who it is. I mean, think about it. There's
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: two reason. Yeah, there's two reasons why you lose your coach.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: He retires or things are bad, right, you know, And
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: usually it's when things are bad, you know, and now
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: with Bill it could be you know, it's rare that
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: you have a guy that stays that long. But when
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: things go bad and you bring in a new head coach,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: he's gonna bring all his people with him, right if, if,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: and if things go bad, and you know, you probably
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: want him to do a full makeover. You know, if
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: things are bad, you don't want necessarily elevate someone who's
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: already here, you know, because that person could have been
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: part of the problem for all, you know. You know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: so it's just rare that you have that type of
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: thing happen, you know. Yeah, it just makes me think
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: of how Fears and Scarnekia kind of stuck through some
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: of those scenarios and we're able to stay stick around,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and that kind of that doesn't really happen as much.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he can watch what goes down
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: in Miami and other places with the new coaches, but
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: you know, those old school coaches who kind of come
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: with the organization, it feels like fewer and few of
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: the girard how long has he been on the staff,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Like four years? Yes, maybe he was the Minority Coaching Fellowship.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I believe like this was his third Okay season, So
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: we don't even know if he if he was given
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: a coordinator, we don't even know if he could be
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a good coordinator yet on his own, and we're gonna
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: like room him to be the head coach. Like I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: just like I'm not telling you yay or nay on
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Gerard Mayo as a head coach. I'm just telling you
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: do you know, But it's not important whether the next
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: head coach is currently on the Patriots staff, right, Like
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I just that doesn't matter. I want to know who
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Robert and Jonathan have in mind for the next head coach.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Obviously they're not going to tell us publicly, but it
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a guy on the staff if
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it is, great, but it doesn't need to be that. Yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: look at how they got Bill, right, I mean that
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: was they got introduced to him and then he was
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: with the Jets, and I mean that was something that
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: was kind of simmering behind the scenes. So maybe something
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, getting a new head coach is a big
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: deal in NFL. It's it's a big big change. You know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the guy, if he's and if he's genuine, he's going
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: to be totally different than the guy you just replaced,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and you gotta let him come in and build his
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: staff the way he wants it, and especially when things
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: went bad, and that's why you're changing coaches, you know.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: So I like that Sean Payton though, no, I mean
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: I like that Sean Payton is a guy who was
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: going to get bad. I mean he said it flat out.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: He's taking a year off. He's not retiring, right, So
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: maybe he's a guy that down the road you you
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: would drive, there could be guys like that. There might
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: be some guy that that you know, like Robert met
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Bill in ninety six and got a really good vibe
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: from there might be a guy right that he got
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: a really good vibe from five years ago who was
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: sort of working his way up the ranks, and maybe
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: he has him in mind. I always liked that guy,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: right whatever. I can tell you this, though, Patriots fans,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you can be you can sleep well at night knowing
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: that Jonathan Robert Craft are thinking about this, what's next
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: after Billy. They have been researching people, and they keep
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: their douce, you know, you know, and whether it's a
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: whole team of people doing that for them, they are
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: thinking steps ahead. I can guarantee you get your hand
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: movements in check, and maybe you can be a camera
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I'll work on it. Thank you for
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: the criticism. Were rhythmic, Um, I can't I can't walk
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: with a pep. That wasn't a peper. That I wasn't
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: a pep, my friend, that was completely without, that was
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: pepless without. The people need cameras this time, I dance
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: on the way to the bad actually on your way
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: back from it. I don't know. I could see you
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: going to the bathroom. But web radio camera guy on
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: salt Pot, that's right. Web radio at Patriots dot com
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: is the email address. Jeff from Natick says Fred wanted
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. Thank you. I don't believe
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: anyone has ever asked, but are you behind the Giants
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and Jets lawsuit claiming they are from New York when
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: we all know they are from New Jersey. I didn't
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: know there was a lawsuit. We sign on to that. Yeah,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: my money and I wanted now, if anything, i'd be
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: named in the suit for defamation because I'm the one
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that says they're from New Jersey. Well, they are from
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: New Jersey. I know they don't think so, though. UM
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: let's see Bill and Vista, California says Hey, guys, stop
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: giving Fred so much crap. We know the real reason
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: why he would choose to replace Mack. He saw Mac
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: having fun celebrating his TV in the Pro Bowl. Enough,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: all jokes aside. How would you guys grade his performance
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl? Um, it's like see, I mean
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you have to grade the Pro Bowl first? Yeah? Well, first,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: it was completely ridiculous. I thought them the touchdown throw
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: he had, um was nice. That was a nice throat.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Was a good throat? Get a good throat? I heard
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: it was a good Well. I saw the clip and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: it looked like a good rolled out Yeah, yeah, it
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: was moving rolled out with Patrick, nobody covering and out there.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And I will say this, I don't know like what
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: type of uniform they use, but Mac looked good in
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the uniform. He looked pretty cut. Yeah, he looked. He
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: looked very good in the uniform, although he did reveal
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: he's got to get rid of the ice cream. Are
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you thanking too much? Oh? You think I concur Mac
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: on that one? Uh, But I just thought the nice
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: thing from it was just seeing him get to interact,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: getting to show some personality. Some of these other stars
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: around the NFL get to know him a little bit.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And who knows down the line, one of these guys
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: maybe gets a chance to play with him, knows him
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I know Chandler Jones, not that he's
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: coming back, but who's that? You know? Should I see
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: what I say? I know you did. I'm just gonna
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: go with it from now on. Can you guys just
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: let me have a Chandler Jones? He liked them, but
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I think that was what I enjoyed, just seeing him
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: get to interact, show some of his personality. And the
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: dance was great everybody, I mean, brings a smile to
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: everybody's face. You're just out there entertaining the kids, you know,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: just a fun time, looking like Deuce go into the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: men's room. Oh he wasn't He wasn't that kiddie. All right,
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  Speaker 1: moments in Eric read an email that came in from
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  Speaker 1: Brazil last Thursday, and he refers to Brazil as overseas.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't consider South America to be overseas. Seems like overseas
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  Speaker 1: general refers to Europe or Asia. You'd be correct emailing Yeah, right, No,
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe you said it at the top of the emails.
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  Speaker 1: And then why why is that not considered overseas? South America? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's the same hemisphere. Could you get there without going
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  Speaker 1: over a sea? Yeah? I guess you could. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose you could get there without going over the sea. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Usually if you cross an ocean or a sea, it's oversea. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I would typically anything international if I know you're trying.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're trying. I like your explanation, but I
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  Speaker 1: would agree with you. I wouldn't consider South America over Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's a it's a synonym for international
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  Speaker 1: oversea people say internationally. They use it interchangeably international and
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  Speaker 1: over Canada over He brought that home. No, okay, he
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  Speaker 1: brought that's that's neighbor. It's international, not all international. He
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  Speaker 1: brought that home. Though. I liked what he just did there.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's synonymous with international, but it's not right right
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  Speaker 1: right with the ready is Canada, Mexico. That's another great
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  Speaker 1: moment from all right back here. Patriots unfilter fives, web radio,
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  Speaker 1: Patriots dot Com, the email address, many emails. Oh we
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: got a lot. Yeah. Bill says, uh, what do you
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  Speaker 1: make of Odell Beckham saying he was interested in the Patriots.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: We talked about that. Um, yeah, yeah a few years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Since he's uh free agent next year, do you see
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  Speaker 1: Bill making a play for him. No, because they don't
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  Speaker 1: have Tom Brady. No, And he said that's why he
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  Speaker 1: would have played here. I know, I'm having a real
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  Speaker 1: hard time getting amped up about free agency. Of potential
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: moves comes first for the draft. It's just hard to
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  Speaker 1: know how they're gonna how they're gonna take care of
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  Speaker 1: their own house, and then what are they gonna have
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  Speaker 1: money to go spend on make a splash guy or two.
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  Speaker 1: I've been, yeah, I've been. I've been thinking of this too,
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  Speaker 1: because we're starting to do our um, you know, get
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  Speaker 1: our snapshots ready for for free agency, and they might
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  Speaker 1: have to, you know, bite the bullet here and go
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  Speaker 1: do what we kind of were asking for and play
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of these younger players because I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if they're gonna be able to sign, not gonna be
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  Speaker 1: able to draft a lot of players because they don't
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  Speaker 1: have the draft capital. They have like six picks right now,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know, you know, unless they make a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of trades to acquire picks, they're not going to
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  Speaker 1: have that many. They might have to, you know, go
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: with what they've got for this coming season for the
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  Speaker 1: most part. I mean they're gonna obviously make a few additions,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: but could be like last year, we call him the
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  Speaker 1: Deadwood linebackers. I mean that whole second level of guys
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: and you know, throw in Harvey Longy and Terres Hall,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings, he still exists. I guess I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out he didn't play it all this year, so
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: I guess his contract would toll Is that correct or
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: how does it It doesn't toll, No, so it just
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  Speaker 1: rolls over to this year. I don't think. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it tolls them was a pup. I think he
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: ended up on that cons as a year. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: you know it's get back to that coordinator talk on defense.
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  Speaker 1: If it is going to be a young defense, that's
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  Speaker 1: more reason to have Bill looking after it. Right. It's
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  Speaker 1: an experience that I just I'll never forget. And I've
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  Speaker 1: said it before Iver, I'll never forget ninety six lawyer
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  Speaker 1: Malloy when Bill had just gotten here and it was
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: at Bryant College at training camp, and Malloy gets in
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  Speaker 1: front of the media at access and says, this guy's
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  Speaker 1: a genius. He makes it seem so simple, like you
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  Speaker 1: can really understand what he's saying, you know, And I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: think that's been part of Bill's you know, superpower is
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  Speaker 1: being able to make the players understand what their job is.
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  Speaker 1: This is what you're supposed to do, and that's who
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: you want talking to young kids, right. Sure, any coach
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  Speaker 1: that can make it simple look an break that because
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: we always hear about how complex their playbook is and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: their system. And if you can do that and get
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: somebody up to speed very quickly. Great, it just doesn't
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  Speaker 1: always work. But if you're doing that and now you're
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: spending more time on offense, because I that's what I
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: worry about. So it's like, we got to define these roles.
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  Speaker 1: The players need to know who to listen to at
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  Speaker 1: all times. Yeah. So, but you know, we could be
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  Speaker 1: way off. Maybe that is just the case, and these
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  Speaker 1: defensive players that we were hearing from are just making
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  Speaker 1: excuses because they're embarrassed. You know. Oh that could be too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't dismiss that, you know. So I was just
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: looking up Paul, you always put my rider up to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: these things with Mike Reece, and he mentioned the Patriots
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: strong draft class in a tweet. I'm trying to find
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: it right now, but I just found it interesting that
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: he also mentioned Ronnie Perkins in that tweet as a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: you know, just he highlighted him as somebody and you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's just a guy that I feel like came out
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: of last year and not really know him much about
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  Speaker 1: at all. I mean, I'd love to feel some kind
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  Speaker 1: of positive hope for him. I just thought it was
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: interesting that that Reese kind of highlighted him a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they've got some hope for him. I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: hear that they had some kind of hope for some
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  Speaker 1: of those guys to maybe emerge into some kind of
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  Speaker 1: significant role next year, because right now I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen if High Tower hangs
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  Speaker 1: him up and they don't retain Bentley or I think
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Vanoy come very young squad, could you see them? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think that they need the depth with somebody like
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  Speaker 1: van Noy right now. But could you also make a
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  Speaker 1: case that let's turn it over and let's go, you know,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: fully youth movement with it with the second level. Maybe
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: that's too much, um, but I'm curious if High Tower
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  Speaker 1: wants to keep playing that. That's a that's a big
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: first piece of it. I think, uh spi and Fresno
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: writes and Bill is the greatest coach ever and therefore
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: a great leader, But that doesn't mean he perfectly embodies
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: all desirable leadership traits. Specifically, I wonder if he's subpart
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: at delegating. I've struggled with that in leadership positions, always
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: thinking I'll just do it myself and paying the price
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  Speaker 1: for taking on too much work, the strategically assistance. Maybe
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: it's just something Bill isn't particularly good at thoughts, reasonable
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: thoughts and all seriousness. Sure, he's got a lot, a
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  Speaker 1: lot to manage. I mean it's it's a whole whole
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  Speaker 1: army of people that do a number of different things.
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  Speaker 1: Hard hard to know without being behind the scenes exactly
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  Speaker 1: who's doing what. But I mean it just gets harder
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  Speaker 1: is he gets older and he loses you know, trusted.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll go back to the nine. We got more
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  Speaker 1: traction out of that, oh nine football life, m for
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  Speaker 1: the for the Patriots. You know, I just can't get
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: these guys to play the way. That's the money line
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: from that. There was also a scene, Um, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have any idea what part of the season it was in,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: but Bill is sitting down watching film with Tom Yep
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: and they're going over the offense and the game plan
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: and X Y would do this, would do that that,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: And Tom gets up and he says, Okay, I'll go
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: tell BILLYO. And my immediate reaction was, that's how the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: game plan gets formulated Bill and Tom and then they
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: disseminate that information through the coordinators, who then install it
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: during the week. It's not like the mad professor offensive
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: coordinator saying, oh, we'll do this this. I think Bill
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  Speaker 1: has always done everything, yeah, and I think at this
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  Speaker 1: at this stage of his career, maybe he's not quite
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  Speaker 1: able slash willing to do everything as well as he
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  Speaker 1: once did. Yeah. Yeah. Just to corroborate that a little bit,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I posted. I wrote a long thing this week or
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  Speaker 1: today about quarterbacks second year development will kind of you know, improvement,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: and found a few different sources about you know, quarterbacks
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: who play right away, guys who get east into it,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But I talked to J. T. O'Sullivan,
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  Speaker 1: who did a lot of great videos last year, and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: one little bit of insight that he provided was he
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  Speaker 1: was only here briefly, I think in six as part
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  Speaker 1: of the practice squad, but said it was one of
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  Speaker 1: the only places where the quarterback and the head coach
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  Speaker 1: had so much direct contact together and he wasn't you know,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: obviously he's out on the outside now. Unsure if that
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: continues with Mac, but I think it kind of backs
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  Speaker 1: up that that, you know, Bill's connection to at least
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  Speaker 1: Tom and most likely Mac, now that there's something that
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't and exist around the league, and he'd been third
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: of the league, he said he played and if this
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  Speaker 1: was the only place where he saw that much of
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback and the head coach direct interactions, to me,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: that's weird. Like I would think that on all teams
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: the head coach and the most important position player has
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of direct contact. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: they like to keep the distance in case, you know,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: let the coordinator be that person and so I could
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: be the bad guy. And you wonder it now with
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: all like and we talked about last week with the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay line, I guess, which is kind of the
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Shanahan line, but just all those coordinating. Now you've got
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Mike Mike McDaniel going to Miami. Maybe it's different for
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: that group because they seem so tightly connected to the quarterback.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, everything was Stafford and that decision that went
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: in to move on from Golf and Vic they I
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: wonder if guys like Shanahan, McVey, you know, the guy
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: in sinc, etc. Those guys maybe they have Maybe they
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: do have more since they seem so offensively geared towards this. Yeah,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: chat and Atlanta writes in I emailed in months ago
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: about how it was impressed with how the team was
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: performing and that really anything more than what they have
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: been accomplishing would be gravy. Fred Peggett right at the time,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: while Paul kind of missed the point. They made it
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: to the freaking playoffs. My record prediction was almost the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: same as Eric's, plus another loss with a rookie quarterback,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: an older defense, and mediocre receivers. I didn't have very
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: high hopes, so after they surpassed my expectations, any other
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: positive accomplishments for the season was just extra gravy on top.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I'm pleased with how things went, and I'm very excited
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: for the future of the team. I would ask that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: you send it in an email for Thursday and let
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: us know what you think they'll do next year, because
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I agree with everything. I agree with everything he just wrote.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: If you, Eric, what did you think they were going
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  Speaker 1: to go seven and ten? So if you thought they
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: were going to go six and eleven, this was a
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: wild success. You thought they sucked, so they were a
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: playoff team, So they were, you know, are eight distance
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: away from what you thought they were going to be
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: in the positive direction. Of course, you were were you
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: we thrilled? I think a lot of other people thought
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: they were a playoff team. They made the playoffs and
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: then got blown out in the playoffs, so some other
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: people aren't as excited about the progress that they made it.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that a fair way to look at it?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: If you thought they were going to win six games
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: and they win ten. There were some people, that's huge
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: that I remember at the beginning of the season saying
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: that this team would be a bust if they didn't
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Remember they were talking about how, you know,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: after all the moves and one hundred and seventy million
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: dollars and not make the playoffs some people and I
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: thought those people were you know, a little you know,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: over zealous in making those I did too, I thought
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: they I thought they had a chance to be a
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: playoff team. Yeah, but it's it's so specific with that season,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: and there were a lot of things that I loved
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: about that season. I mean, I thought, even those losses
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: to the Cowboys and the Bucks, what fun games. I mean,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: just to the atmosphere, it felt like you were part
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  Speaker 1: of something. I agree. That's what changed from the beginning
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: of the season to the end of the season. When
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: they lost a bad teams early, you felt like you
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: were right there. When they lost to the better teams late,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel like And that feeds to it to
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: my next point of you know, as much as I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: thought that they would be on the cusp and a
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: nine ten win team and get in the playoffs and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what they did, the way it looked
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: at the end was gross, you know, and it's hard
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: to like resign yourself and be like, yeah, but it
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: was great, and it also is I think it's just
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  Speaker 1: a continuation of my bigger point going in this offseason,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: which is like, well, that's your one of the bree build.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Certainly things will be better next year, right Like, I
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: don't think that that's a shirt. I think that they've
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do that there's a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: lot of turnover. Last season was last season, and mac
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Jones had a solid first season, but it's not gonna
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: matter come fall twenty twenty two. They've got a lot
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: of work to do to get better. That last game
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: left a bitter, bitter, bitter taste in all our mouths.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was the last embarrassing well I know,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: but but that was the worst of it. And you know,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: we're just so conditioned that they step up, you know,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: they step and even in that last game after everything
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: that was so ont they're gonna step up against the Bills.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: It'll be a good game. And it was anything. But
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I people say that's like the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: second worst loss in Bill Belichick's uh second, I mean
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: score wise, but but I mean, you know, to be
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: dominated the way they did, you know, to not be
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: able to you know, seven drive seven touchdowns, yeah that
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know that that was really bad. And so
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: and that's our last thought of the Patriots, you know, yeah,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: well that's why I like the Pro Bowl too, because
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: you got a little bit of something different. But I mean,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: and Paul brought up O nine and that's just the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: fashion in which it ended counts for something, and there
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: was something more there than just a team that wasn't
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: good enough to be there. Like it was a team
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: that didn't have it. They didn't bring the energy, they
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: didn't come ready to play that game. So I think
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: what carries over into this season is what was that
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Because for two out of the last three years and
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: I through twenty twenty kind of out of it. You've
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: seen this stumble down the end and this you know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: when it's supposed to be everything starting to click and
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: you know what your strengths are and you're playing towards it,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: and you're motivated by games that happened earlier in the season.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: All that stuff was out the window and it was
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: all there for the taking. And I think that's what's
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: hard for a Patriots fan like me to take. When
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: you have all these things that you believe of. They
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: get better with the good coaching over the course of
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: the year. They play hard all the time, They're a
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: tough team to play against. They were none of those
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: things in the finale. And I think when they come
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: out of the tunnel in the opener next year, that's
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: the taste that I'm gonna want washed out of my mouth,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: is to see a team that's going to come out
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: and play with a renewed sense of energy and not
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: obviously the one that got rolled off the field. I mean,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: they had no answer, nothing, nothing from the get go.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. You know,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: now I'm depressed again, but forgotten that. I was just
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: thinking about Max run and they're pretty And now I
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: got to think about that game. They just showed it,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, because they're talking about Justice Jefferson on
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: NFL Network and they showed the Mac play and I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: was actually wrong. I think it was a three yard
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: run when when they blew it, they blew it dead.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: But with the way they were ruling tackling, and I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: didn't blame him for just keep going right, but every
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: he ran by several guys that were that were standing
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: still like whatever that is that the back judge, the
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: one that's all the way in the back, it calls,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, back judge calls the delay a game penalty.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: You know, the guy that's way in the back of
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: the defense. He's standing there like thirty yards behind the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: scrimmage and Mac is running at him and he doesn't
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: even move. He doesn't even turn, no, like he's buy
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: him like ten yards before he kind of like what
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: is he going? That's the question? From what yard line?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Did you realize it was? Just? I think I think
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: he definitely that right, you totally. I love it. Shrisha
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: from Bangalore. Do you think that the Patriots should think
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: about stability in the OC position before hiring someone to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: that position because this will affect Max grow. How does
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: the hiring of Joe Judge affect this. I don't think
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Bill will be personally coaching Matt. So do you think
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Joe Judge will be doing that? What are your thoughts? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: he will be. Yeah, because they did lose there. I
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: don't know what Joe Judge was hired to do. Yeah,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: we don't know. We don't even hired. Yeah, we don't
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: know what he was hired, right. If he was tired,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: it was supposedly as an offensive assistant. I don't know
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: what that entails, right, And uh, the guy who was
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: helping coach quarterbacks with Josh last year has gone with
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Josh to the Raiders. Bo heart agree. So they do
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: need somebody who was going to sort of focus on
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: that position and the offense overall. And so between Joe Judge,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Brian Day will, how those giants joint practices. That's gonna
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: be some weird, some weird energy out there on the field,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, he'd be doing my thing right,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: like looking at each other like here used to go right,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: you were here, now you're not. You get their ass
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: last year. Let's get to the a sticket outline. Eldred's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina. He was there, you yeah, he had
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: to driving. Um Andrews in LA. What's up, Andrew Heart,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: he's back at it again. Oh yeah, you're going to
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: the super Bowl, Andrew? Uh you know what really funny story,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: So my wife boss might be like getting tickets from
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: his employer. He said that if he gets them, he's
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: gonna take me and we'll see hopefully. I'm a big Joe.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: I'm a big Burro Brady fan. Um, but going with
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: the LSU team. Um, you guys know where the gritty
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: came from? Enlighten us? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, so, um,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: one of the friends of Jamar Chase made up a
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: dance and then it just caught on at LSU. So
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: like Jamar Chase started doing it and justin Jefferson. So
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: that's where it came from. And that actually started with Chase,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: not Jefferson because I think, yeah, Chase's friend, Yeah, it's
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: money and his friend made it up and that's how
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: it caught on at LFU. Yeah, so a little backstory
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: with that. Did you guys feel like my dance was
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: catching on? And I'll take you When I walked to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the bathroom. No, no, that's sache No, it was quite sweet,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: but it probably yeah, it was. It was quite honest.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: It was quite the sas. I want to burn it
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: out of my eyeballs forever. Can you see you describe
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: it for me, Paul. He was sort of um first,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: he was swinging his hips and he was sort of
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: moving his hands back and forth from side to side
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: as he was sacheting down the corridor to go to
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: the back. What's that old movie with John Travolta and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis where they're doing that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: yeah perfect? Is that what? Yeah? That's what it looked? Perfect.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder where perfect perfect? But I can
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: see the video cassette, Bob, Yeah, perfect, Well it was.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut your guys off, wouldn't dance talk?
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: But that was in the wheelhouse. I was thinking about
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: how obviously Brady and that interview sounds like there might
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: be some inkling that he still wants to play right,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about how if he came back
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: in a few months and the Bucks had build up
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: their cap space, he could essentially basically force a release
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: or a trade, kind of like what Bronkowski did with
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: the Patriot and I kind of look at wrong. I
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: kind of look at Gronkowski when I'm looking at Brady
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: because I feel like their relationships kind of close, and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think Bronk wants to play anywhere without Brady.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Do you guys think it's interesting that Bronkowski hasn't said
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: anything about his future. He's technically a free agent, and
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: he hasn't said anything about retiring or playing or going
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: somewhere else. Yeah, Oh yeah. I think he had a
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: press conference after the season and said he was going
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: to give it some time before he made his tor
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: and Andrew, that's probably what the time is for, right
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: to figure out what Tom is doing? What are you doing?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Most definitely that I just thought that was kind of
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: interesting because I feel like those guys talk a lot,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: and if they were going to go anywhere, he's gonna
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: like cook Gronks somewhere to like wait for him and
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: like keep the keep it warm for him and then
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: he'll be ready. I think the whole thing with forcing
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: your way out of Tampa is it's still contingent on
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Tampa doing it. Like the Patriots actu esked with with
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Gronk said, I only want to play for Brady. They
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: didn't have to make a trade, right right, No way.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: So if if Tampa just says, well, no, you're either
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: gonna play for us or nobody, kind of like Barry
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Sanders back in the day retired the Detroit owned his
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: rights and refused to get rid of him, and then
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: he got too old and could still up their cap
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: based I know that the cap is crap, but you know,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: the real dollars are at work here, And if they
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: go out and get a starter, like let's say they
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: go out and pay over twenty million dollars for a starter,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: because maybe in their minds they're still contenders, and then
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: they fill up that cap and they're like, well, now
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: we have two starting quarterbacks and Kyle trap. Yeah, but
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: he has to come back and play to do that,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: you can, I mean, you're gonna call us? Is he
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: gonna call their bluff? Brady's gonna call their bluff? Yeah?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Are you saying that? Well, but I'm saying if he
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: waits a while and they try to make a move
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: and they divulge all these assets into getting another quarterback, right,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: he kind of has the power play there. He can say, well,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: now I'm unretired, I know, and you know. And they
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: can then say you'll need to play for us or nobody. Yeah,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: they can do that. Yeah, well, if Brady's not gonna play,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: But then Brady clearly doesn't want to play for Tampa,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: right right, But Paul, if he comes back, that means
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: that the cap is reactivated. So that means that if
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: they spent that money, it's only reactivated if he decides
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: to play. No, But but that's his leverage, right, Is
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: he gonna call Tampa's bluff? Right? That's what I'm asking. Well,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: each one of them are calling each other's bluff, you know. Well,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question that Tampa would do
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: if they want him to play. Oh, I don't care
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: who they get. No, they want Brady to play, I know.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: But to Travis, but his point is, Andrew's point is
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: this is down the road. Yeah, so the Bucks have
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: already Alex, unless it's like Aaron Rodgers, Bucks want Brady
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: to play. No, But I'm saying, so what about the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Shawn Watson or something like that. I think they would
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: rather have Brady. Yeah, but what if they've already gone
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: down the road, and gutt and b right, I can
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: put him off for a year. I would rather have
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Brady plan that. This is my point. So yeah, but
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: can you do both? Yeah? Yeah, let's let's not talk.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Can we please be be adults? What can we be
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: adults to just say? It doesn't really matter what the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: cap hit is? Well? It does, I mean it doesn't.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: You can't have two quarterbacks making sixty million dollars. You know.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: First of all, Deshaun Watson doesn't make thirty, so you
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about him when he comes back.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Who knows he's under contract? You know, I I hear
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: what is and I don't think Brady is going to
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: command Brady. His contract doesn't call for thirty, does it?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe it does? Maybe it does? Yeh. So so that
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: that means you could have if DeShawn watching his thirty
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: and he's fifteen, you're still five. We could do that.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's more than that for Brad I think
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: he's owed fifteen, but I think if he comes back
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: it I just don't you guys worry so much about
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: the cap and that's really not part of the equation. Well,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: then what's the leverage for a guy like Brady to
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: to get out of town. How can he do it?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: You're saying, well, he could demand a trade. Yeah, but Andy,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: they say, right, but I did, and then he'd have
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: to retire, which is what he's But I think gron
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I think Gronk's leverage was I'll come back. And then
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: Patries didn't want to pay him, you know, so they said, okay,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: well we'll trade you. Correct, you know, so correct? That
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: was his leverage. Say it again. He didn't want to
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: pay him. They didn't want to pay, right, So his
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: le ridge was to threaten to come back, right. But
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: that I don't think the Bucks would have any problems
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: paying him. Yeah, this is my point. This is the
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: part that you're not right today. I don't think I
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: agree with you. But he's in Andrew's scenario. This is
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: down the road where they've already settled what they're gonna
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: do with quarterback, you know, And yeah, I think we've
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: got other We've got other ideas for that money, you know.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying is I think they would rather
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: have Brady. I mean, unless it's like Aaron Rodgers, like
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: you go out and you make a deal with Tampa
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: where you're trading, you know, and I guess if you
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: had to trade a lot for Deshaun Watson. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Andrew's right, you haven't you know? Brady could then go
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: and say, well, they didn't give up two first round
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: picks to get a quarterback and then have me play right,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: that's what? Can we just take the cap out of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: it and be an adult like it doesn't have anything
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: to do with cap space. I don't even want and
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: enter into that. And actually, uh, Deshaun Watson salary is
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: gonna is gonna go out? You are? It's like, no,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: never mind, I'll be good. I don't believe. Thanks Andrew.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Can we be adults? Uh? Toddson Greens makes a lot
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: of money? So I just a quick question. Our special
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: teams were kind of thirty last year. How much do
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: you think an improvement to our special teams would change
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: our record? Would we buy one game extra winning two games?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Or we just needed to zero? We just need to overhaul? Okay,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: so what do you think that? I mean that one
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: game in Indy, if you don't get that punt blocked?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Is what is your chances of winning that game? Certainly
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: better than what happened, But I'm not willing to say
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: they lost the game because they got a punt block. Yeah,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: but over and then overall in the season, Like, how
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: much of a difference would it have made? Not much,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: not much big? I mean, I think it would have
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: been more if it was Nick Folk was terrible. I
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: think you got good performance out of that. To me
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: is why I say probably nothing because your special teams
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: were bad, but your kicker was the best in the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: league in terms of production, so that off sets that
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit. That's my next question. Do you think
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: Folk is going to be able to come back? Isn't
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: he getting pretty old? Thirty seven? He said at the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: end of the year he was still interested by beer. Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: They did sign Quinn Ordine to a future so he'll
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: be he'll be back. I think some other futures guys
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: to Bill Burr, Yeah, going for me, right, Yeah? Who else?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: A couple of guys. There were a couple of guys Arlington, Hambright. Well,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: we know there was somebody. There was somebody last week. Oh, um, Daniel,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: that's not the one I was thinking of, though they
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: didn't really sign. I thought there was another one that
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: they just signed to a futures dealt some of those.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Next question is just do you think Flores had the
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: Canadian Football League take Flores back or Floors burnt his
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: bridge by putting out those emails like that or the
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: sort of the text me that's not that's I don't know.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think that did it. But him calling out
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Belichick is being part of the old Boys network probably did. Wow.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: All right, yes, yeah, well I never I would agree
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: with that point. I think, like, to me, the follow
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: up conversation where he said there's something wrong, the system's broken.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick shouldn't have that kind of power, right, He's
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: part of the problem. Yeah, that to me. You know,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: I think Bill is a pretty open minded guy when
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: it comes to if he if he thought it was
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: the best for the team, it's not a deal breaker,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: but I would say it's probably far fetched. I think
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: he's coming back now. Yeah, I would take him in
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: a heartbeat. Yeah, I would coach. I think it would
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: be a good move if they did. I agree. I agree,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: can the defensive coordinator now you're talking, Now you're talking,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: will make him the defensive assistant? Neither of them ever,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: the whole year, you keep getting like that's what I
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: you know, to Fred's point at the very start of
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: the show if there was like some kind of sort
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: of benefit, tangible or not, and that to me would
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: be one like I don't like my guys talking to
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the media. I don't want I want to shield them
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: from that. But now that all these coaches have to talk, right.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: The question though, that Todd brings up is a good one, though,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: about any potential damage to their relationship, because clearly there
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: was enough of a relationship for Bill to reach out. Well,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: I guess I guess you could argue that her right, no,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: but but you could also you could also make the
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: argument that he thought maybe they were talking about Brian Flores.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: That's one of them, you know, Yeah, because if you
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: read the texts for what it's worth, he it could
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: for word, it means that he thought the giants were
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: talking about Flores, because Bill says it could be that
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: could be because Bill says, I misread the text, right,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I thought they were talking about right you. But it
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: sounds like but that could be Bill covering up for
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: it could be you know, I think there was some
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: gray area in terms of he either was texting the
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: wrong Brian, which I think was the case, or that
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: he thought he thought he was texting Flores, and he
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: thought Flores was the guy the Giants were going to hire, right,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: and then he realized he screwed it up. I read
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: the text wrong. I don't think that's what it was.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: And I think Flora's sort of has come out and
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: basically said he made a mistake. He thought he was
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: talking to Brian Dable, right, and that he recommended Dabel
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: for the job, right, Like that's like, that's part of
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: this is this is what I'm talking about, where he says,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Belichick is part of the old boy network
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: and he has too much sway as to who's getting
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: hired that they need to, you know, rethink their hiring
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: practices and how you go about it. It shouldn't just
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: be word of mouth from from guys that you know,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: especially if if you're the Giants, Like, Okay, what's the
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: motivation for Bill suggesting Dable? Can you imagine? Well, you know,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: he also wants them out of the bills. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: he'd be great for you. Yeah. Can you imagine Joe
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Judge and then the Giants go back to him, like
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: that's how Joe Judge got the job in the first place.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Was a strong recommendation from Bill, and they wouldn't let him,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: and Bill wouldn't let him talk to McDaniels. Right two
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: years later, you're going back to Bill for a suggestion
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: after the way that one worked out. I don't know,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Magic Sauce the giants giants man, you know, and we
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: talk about like the owners in the league and all
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: the back channeling and stuff that goes on at that level.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: I imagine like at that head coaching level there's a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: lot of politics and Game of Thrones stuff and all
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: that too, you know. Yeah, that's where Bills like kind
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: of a puppet master, you know. I think they're definitely yeah,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's definitely true. I just laugh at getting
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: to see the actual text messages. I know some people
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: are making a joke about we talk about punctuation, Bill
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: doing the exclamation question exclamation that back. But just like
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: how Flora's like the vibe through it is like very
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: much like me talking like oh thank you, so yeah,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: you know, like talking to your old coach, like thanks, coach,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: appreciate it, like I got you, um that that And
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: that was the only thing I was a little disappointed,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: like when this all came out was that My initial
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: hope was just that I would hope that Flora's before
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: he made put his text a front and center on
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: what he filed legally, that he had given him heads
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: up and and you know, I think that that might
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: be where there could be contention. And then, as Paul
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: put pointed out, I think then he he just went
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: fully into into that way of it. So it's too bad.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: He's he's a he's a great coach. And I mean,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, selfishly, you're glad he's not in Miami. I mean,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: no offense to Mike McDaniel. But I look at him
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, this guy doesn't scare me at all
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: as a football coach. I mean, he might be brilliant
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: and maybe they'll be torturing us for years, but um,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I just did the striking contrast between Brian Dabele,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: who just looks like ultimate football coach, badass guy. And
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: then you know, and then they got this nerdy guy
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: with glasses coming in. I thought they hired him. Now,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: I thought they hired him as like They're like, um,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: this guy right, And then I saw the caption I've
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: got a coach, this guy right, right, let's see there
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: you go. I guess he's yes, sir right away. Uh,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Travis is in California. Hey Travis, Hey, Hey. I guess
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: this is more of a question for for for because
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I don't watch a lot of the Bengals taint and stuff.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: But since they're in the Super Bowl, I've been watching
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: more of the Joe Brow I think him mac Jones
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: are pretty comparable. And I know Paul's a big Joe
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Burrow fan. So you're seeing the same thing or no. Um,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: But I would ask you what you think that they
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: do comparably. Well, I'm just saying they're stats and everything.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: I know, stats don't tell the whole story, don't I
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: get that. I just when I've watched The Thrones, the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: mechanics are all the same. The only real difference that
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing is Joe Brow is throwing the guy throwing
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: a five yards plant to a guy who's taking it
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: to the house, and Mac Jones guy gets stopped up. Yeah,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's a little oversimplifying it. Arm Strength and
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: athleticism are two glaring things that yeah, I don't really
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: see think. Oh he's a first of all, he's a
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: much better runner, even coming off at twenty acl. I
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: don't even think it's close. Did you see his sixty
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: five yards? I did the three yard run? I did
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: see it. Listen. I think Max a little bit more
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: athletic than we gave him credit for coming out of college.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: He's shown that a little bit. So listen. I'm the
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: stats are similar, but I mean no, I mean I'm
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: talking about certain stats, certain stats, not when you talk
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: about yard completion percentage. Maybe is close, but like let's
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: let's I know, but no, but that but that's not
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: about what happened, you know, So you gotta just look
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: at the games, and you got to look at the player.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: And one less game Burrow through twelve more touchdowns, Joe,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is a better quarterback at least right now. Yeah,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know what. You don't know what Mac Jones
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: will become right well that that's okay. But but but
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: you can and and that's fine, you can speculate what if,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: what if? What if? But right now, if you look
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: at Joe Burrow and you look at Mac Jones, you
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: just gotta say, Joe Burrows a bit of quarterback right now.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: Right now, I just don't know how you could use
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: anything in terms of structure around a guy for a
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: guy who quarterbacks the Cincinnati Bengals as a negative, like, yeah,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's one of the three worst franchises in
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: the history of the sport, right, and he came in
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: in two years while tearing up his knee halfway through
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: one of them and has it in the Super Bowl. Yeah,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: he's a good quarterback, man, So I mean, and then
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: that doesn't take anything away from that Jones. I'm not
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: taking it. I'm not taking anything away from Mac Jones. Again,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: I'm very, very pleased at Mac Jones is our quarterback.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: But I can say that and also say that Joe
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Burrow's really freaking good, and I can say that Herbert's
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: really really good, and I can say that Trevor Lawrence
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: is really really good. I actually think he has a
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: chance to be like Herbert, not in style, like see
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: here's the physical stuff that you might look at that
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: in Mac Jones and not a huge difference in talent.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I disagree, but they're not like Joe Burrow is not
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: justin Herbert. He's not this six five six kid, you know,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: six six guy with a laser beam for nothing. But
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: I think he has vastly superior skills than Mac Jones.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying. If you think it's close,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: you watched Joe Burrow and you don't think there's something
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: different about him, right, Yeah, he's got it. Joe Burrow
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: isn't tucking his head between his legs down fourteen. I
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: saw him do it many times, and I saw him
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: do it in Kansas City down twenty one to three. Like,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: he wasn't great that day, He didn't play a great game,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: but he did it when he had to, and he
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: let a comeback on the road against the best team
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: in the conference, against the best player in the conference. Now, yes,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: did he get lucky that the best player in the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: conference was awful in the second half? Yep, he did.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: But I just don't know how you can watch Joe
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: Burrow and not see more than you've seen from Matt.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you can say I agree with
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: your points, Paul, and I think I do think that.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're both pocket passers, so I think just
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: at a base level, you can say, you know, it's
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: it's not like this is a dying breed. You can
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: still That's where I think he can he's he's comfortable
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: in the pocket, he's just as comfortable outside it making plays.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: He did that a lot in the Kansas City game.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about runs. I'm not talking
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: about He has a god awful offensive line, which, by
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: the way, remind me on Thursday to get into that
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: because we all know how that is the integral piece
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: for Super Bowl success. This is two years in a
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: row now the worst offensive line I've ever seen is
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. Whatever. Keep telling me about how
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: important it is. But he has to run for his
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: life almost every game. He doesn't just sit back and
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: throw and pick out his guys from the pocket. He
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: does things that Mac can't now. Maybe Mac will be
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: able to do them someday, but he does things now
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: that Matt can't do now, right now, right now, right
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: That's why I said this is not about Mac Jones. No,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of Joe Burrow. I think way
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: more of Joe Burrow than justin Herbert. I think Mac
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: has some of the intangibles that Herbert lacks. That's why
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: I think physically he won't compare to Herbert, but he
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: might be a better player than That's and that's why
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: he might be a better player than him someday. Yeah,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: And that's along those lines of and I don't want
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: to boil it down to Joe cool, but there's a
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: presence about Joe Burrow that Mac doesn't have. He didn't
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: have it this year as a rookie, and I think
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: that's one of the things I look at in year
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: two of that confidence. Like you mentioned, doesn't pee his
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: leg when he's down points. He exudes a confidence and
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: knowledge in himself and in the system, and that's one
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: thing that I want him go. But I think, I think,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: I think to h Deuce's point, you know, he held
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: back in terms of the you know, vocal leadership thing.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I think you'll see more of that, and I think
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: we'll see it all this summer. And just you know,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: I just think that there's such a rage to get
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks who can run like the wind and I don't.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: And I I every point about outside of the pocket.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: That's fine, maybe Max a little bit more confined, but
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: I just think it's a reminder that you can win
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: in this league throwing the ball and you don't have
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: to be this dynamic off platform for three quarterback as well,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: there's ways to do it. But I'm a huge Joe
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Burrow fan. He's won me over this year. There's just,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's something intangible about me. I
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: don't think I agree with you. I don't think you
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: need to run and I would say Mahomes. I don't
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: think Mahomes runs a lot, but he runs effectively when
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: he does, when he needs to, he runs effectively. I
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: think Burrow does the same thing. I don't think Burrow's
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: quite as athletic as Mahomes, but I think he runs
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: really well when he needs to. I don't think Mac
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: has that. Yeah, I don't think he has that ability. Now,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: you could throw it in the face and say, well,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: you know, guys like Breeze and Manning and Brady did it.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah they did. They were the very best ever at
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: what they did, you know, just sort of standing in
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: the pocket and throwing right from the pocket. I don't
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: know if Mac Jones has that kind of ability, passing ability,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: but i'd like to see I'd like to see him
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: surrounded with guys too that you know that Joe Burrow
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: has that. I mean, and I don't, you know, necessarily
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: think that everything's a five yard slant. I mean, he
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: makes plenty of downface and we're talking about Drew Bledso
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: I really do. And you know how much I love
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: me some Drew. Yeah, but you know, yeah, it's Michael
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Timpson and Ray Critten. Did we need to get up
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: some weapons? Yeah, no kidding. Everybody is better. The better
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: players you have around you, the better you're gonna be.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Can you elevate those guys? Yeah, no matter who it is.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Can you make Michael Timpson a seventy catch guy? Vincent
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Brisbee a seventy catch guy? That's what Drew did to
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: those guys. Those guys weren't any better players than Nelson
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Agalore or Kendrick Bourne. No, I can promise you. Yeah,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: those guys were jacks. Then they brought Sean Jefferson and
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Terry glenn In and you went to the Super Bowl.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: Right there, you go, Um, Joe and Owen sound Ontario.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: Get the sense that many in Patriots Nation feel it's
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: just a matter of time until we retool and win
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: another three Super Bowls in four years and dominate the
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: league for another twenty. I recognize that this is completely unrealistic.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: So I ask you, in building the team, would you
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: prefer a team that over the next ten years either
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: one or A he has wins one Super Bowl, loses
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: one AFC Championship game, has two first round exits, and
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: misses the playoffs six times, or makes the playoffs nine times,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: never gets to the super Bowl, plays in the AFC
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: Championship three times, and wins a couple more playoff games.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Answer first one was twining the Super Bowl. Yeah, the
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: answer is yeah, I'll go with that. Yeah, while it
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: would be nice to consistently be relevant, I think I
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: might trade some bad years for a couple of really
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: good ones and a championship. We all agree, might. I
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: don't really see there's no might the two options there. Yeah.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Do you think Eli is an apt comparison to Mac
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Jones A little bit? Is there anything there with Eli Manning?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's he was always that guy
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: of never elite, never one of like the button. He
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: won a couple of super Bowls. But I don't know.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: It's everybody wants comps when he get back, but they
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: only want comps of guys they think are really really good. Yeah,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: they don't want the comp of Chad Pennington. Yea, even
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: though Chad Pennington was a terrific quarterback, um Jack and
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: and Arbor says, as I've stated previously, the thing that
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: distinguishes Mac Jones as an NFL quarterback is his elite accuracy.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: That is one of his traits. Absolutely, he's accurate. But
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: I this is where I'm gonna argue Paul side of
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: the fence with Patriots fans, we are so insecure, insensitive,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like about Mac. And one of the problems
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: that happened is the minute he was you know, drafted,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: it was like, this guy can be the next Tom
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: Brady or he's going to be a bust. And the
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: two sides dug their heels in and there was no like,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: let's just see how he does. Like he's doing okay,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: well let's just see. And it's like if you say
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: one thing like well he can't do that, then it's
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: you hate Matt Jones. And if you say, to Jack's point,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: he's pretty accurate, that's what his you know, if he
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: has a superpower in the NFL, that that's what it is.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: Then the other side it's like, whoa, what's that gonna
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: give him? You know, it's it's unbelievable, like it's either
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: one or the other, can we just give this kid
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: a chance? And I think part of it is what Matt,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: what Mike is talking about with the comps, because we've
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: been inundated with the comps, like who cares who he
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: compares to? Right? Right? But just in that argument for
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Fred's point, you get people that say, oh, he could
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: be he could be like Kirk Cousins, And people look
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: at you like, yeah, are you kidding me? Because they
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: look at Kirk cousins career and they say, well, if
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: he's Kirk Cousins, then he'll have the exact same results. No, No,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: you have better coaches, you know, better situation, whatever. But
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: even talking about that, like he automatically they better coaches.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, we just spent the first hour and forty
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: five minutes trashing the coaching. No, but I'm just saying,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: like anything can point is what's so bad about being
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins? Well, yes, I agree, do I think
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: you you know that's good enough? I don't personally, But
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of guys in the league worse
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: than Kirk Cousins. Right. Andy Dalton for four years had
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: the same more abund Bengals in the playoffs every year
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: and now people are so offended if you say he
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: could be like Chad Pennington. Yeah, if you don't say
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: he could be like Tom Brady, you're selling. I'm shoring right.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: If it can't be fourteen and two, thirteen and three
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: every year, Like, what are the odds in the playoffs,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: the odds of him being anywhere near as good as
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady? Like, just try to be realistic going to happen.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: That's why anytime we get a scenario and they have
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: one where he wins the super Bowl, I'm in like,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: that's that. That'll be Mack wins one super Bowl. I
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: don't care if it's Mac or anybody else. If you
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: have a ten year period and one of those periods
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: involves winning the super Bowl, the other one doesn't, I'll
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: take the one that involves winning it. Yes, And your
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: guy was driving everybody crazy yesterday, and he's probably doing
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: it on purpose because he was all about Mac. He's
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: a boy, you know, he's a puppy to this guy
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: who sounds like he's going through puberty. Is criticizing this
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: guy before being a boy Tony. He gets these stupid things,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, and he won't let him off on it.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: A leader the run dance and being silly, being silly, Yeah,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: I kind of something. I feel like I've been a
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: little critical of Mac during the course of the season,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: but I kind of like that. Yeah, I don't think
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: it was anywhere near as significant as it's been made
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: out to be, like, oh, it's a sign that he's arrived.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: I've heard all the other thing it's there, But but
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: I am on the side of I liked it. I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: thought it was funny, and I thought there was nothing
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: wrong with it. There was nothing to criticize about. It
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: tells you some of the Pro Bowl itself, tells you
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: always not to know about the Pro Bowl, and that's
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: the highlight of it, right, And it shows that he
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: has the confidence to do that. NFL stars then that
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: they would take amusement out, you know, I've read one
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: of these guys wrote that Max saved the Pro Bowl.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: I think it was Andrew Kelly wrote. The headline was
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Max saves PROO. It was literally, if if you're in
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Kansas City, you're probably seeing highlights of stuff that Mahomes
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: was doing on the sideline. We live in this bubble,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: you know, right, I had no like I said, I
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: had no problem and I thought it was a good thing.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. I thought he showed a
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: little personality. I think those are good things. Sure, But
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: every argument seems to be it's either proving it's either
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: proving he's never gonna make it or proving that he's
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. Can we just like
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: give this kid a chance and let him be who
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be. I said that during the course of
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: the season, it's not fair to Mac no the way
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: he's treated by the by the mac mafia. Yeah, right,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: right now, they're building him up too much. And then
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: if he if he had God forbid, he only gets
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: one Super Bowl disappointment terrible. I've heard that, Mike, don't
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: tell me you haven't. Let's let's say macis here for
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: ten years and wins the Super Bowl? Will you be disappointed? Wildly? Wildly?
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  Speaker 1: And I think that there's like a bigger point to
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: it of how many competitive football games do you get
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: to watch? Like going back to watching the Dallas in
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay what's your losses? But like I want
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: to be competitive. I want to watch good football games.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go in and you know, we're
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: getting killed, and like, if he has the Patriots on
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: the playoff cust for ten years, that's great. That we're
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: so spoiled, it's unbelievable. But Mike is not exaggerated. I've
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: heard people say if he goes ten years and only
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: wins one, that's a fail. No, how can you then?
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Who said that? People in the media or fans both
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: God distinguished between the two sometimes on my shows. Yeah,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, our expectations have been just so warped because
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: of the last twenty years, just warped. Alright, anyone, I
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. Let's go to Patty and agawam, what's up Patty?
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: What's up? Guys? Hey, hey back Paul, Polly, how dare
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: you crap on my guy? After doing the gritty? But no, seriously, UM,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, uh, bring up a couple
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: of things as far as like comps go. I don't
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: think that the Eli Manning tomp is that far off
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: because he's actually one of the players that something out.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: But um, I'm kind of with you too, Polly on
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: the intangibles. And I don't know if you guys caught this,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: but uh, in the NFL sights and sounds in the
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: AFC Championship game. The uh like, right at the end
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: of the game, Um, what do you call it? Pat
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Mahomes goes over to Joe Burrow and says, all right, man,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: go win it. And Joe just like as he's walking
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: away just sort of tipped his cap to him. But
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: even before that, when they were down twenty one to thirteen,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: he had his guys in the huddle and he's he said, Um,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: when we score this touchdown, we're going for two. So
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: like that's you know, that sort of attitude. I can't Yeah,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: I can't say for sure, but I think Max sort
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: of has that sort of like cock sure and a
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: little maybe a little bit cocky and confident attitude. We'll see,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: you could see it. You could see it play out
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: because his teammates, like Burrow, like all of his teammates
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: love them, not just his offensive guys, but like all
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: the defensive guys love them. Yeah. I also think that
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: that might be a little part for the chorus. When
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: you're in a drive like that, when you're down, you're
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: trying to prepare, there's not much time left in the game.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: You want to make sure everybody's on the same page. Okay,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: so when we do this is what's going to happen,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: So that you because you don't any time, you don't
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: want to waste a time out right, you're losing and
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: you have to play. I think that's there's a little
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: bit to that. That part of that is prep. Yeah,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: that's that's good. That's a celebration. What are we doing
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: bowling your pins? I'm ball? You know right now? That
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: would do Now, that would concern me if you heard
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: some of that on the NFL film celebration were doing. Though,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: Let's do the one that bothers Fred the most, and
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: then we'll take a picture. You pretend like you got
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: a kayak. You're a kayak guy, right, I'd like imagine
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: them choreographing this curse guy from the Patriots. He doesn't
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: like those, So let's do it. You do you don't.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: You don't see the difference between like, hey, if we score,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: he said, when we score, were I think that's football.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: I think if you don't think you're gonna score every
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: time you're on the field, you're in the wrong profession.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. I liked it, though, like I I like
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: I like him, I like him a lot, and I
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: do think Mac has I think Mac has confidence. Yeah,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think he lacks confidence. I don't think that's
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: a problem. All right, thanks Patty, appreciate it. Um let's
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: see lots of emails, but running out of time. I
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: like in general, I just don't love him the way
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: some do. I'm with you, really, since when you used
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: to love them forever, you used to hard, you used
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: to sash thinking about my heart, mat Am. I convinced
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: that he is on his way to being a top
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: five to seven quarterback in league. I'm not. I'm not
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: convinced that's my quarterback. Let's go. Yeah, let's easy to
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: say when you when you don't have an option, I
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: don't think here's my quarterback too well, No, but like
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: you could say, we're moving on, you know one year,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: you know he's my quarterback, let's go, And you can't
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: move on until you have an option. That's better. Yeah,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: but I'd like to see I'd like to see some
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: more juice next year. I want to see. I want
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: to see something. I think I think it would help
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: that he's not going to be looking over his shoulder.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: He's not going to be a rookie. He has a
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: year of experience, he's gonna have a full offseason, he'll
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: be all of those will help, you know, that's all.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: That's all what I wrote today, that was I mean,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: this is what's been on my brain. So that's you know,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: especially in this team, I just can't imagine, like, you know,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: how like stressful it is to be on on this
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: team because everything is just so exact. And I'm not
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: just talking about on the field. I'm talking about during
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: the week, you know, And maybe that's a problem. It
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: could be. It's not for everybody. It's not for everybody,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: but I think it might be for everybody when Brady's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: running the show, you know. I mean, I think the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: difference in Mac at the Pro Bowl versus what we
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: kind of saw this year was, you know, it was
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit striking. And I mean I think that
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: that gritty dance and taking it, you know, with the
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: hell just running with it. I mean, I think that
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: shows a little bit more personally. I hope we get
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: to see more of that next year. I hope he's
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable in his skin and his
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: role do the gritty and stuff every practice and stuff
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Ken says back to Andrew's call about Brady's
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: leverage and all that he says. I agree with the caller, Andrew.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: I think Brady might wait until the season starts and
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: fill in if a contender gets an injury. Oh, I agree.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: So what would the Bucks do if it's Week five,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: they have a new quarterback and an AFC elite quarterback
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: gets injured. I think the Bucks would take a fourth
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: rounder to release the rights to Brady. That's all. I
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: have no idea what him. I don't think they would
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: trade him for just that. But I agree with you.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: That's that's a scenario that I could see Brady coming
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: back in. Yep. Yeah, I'm with you, and I'm with
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: Andrew too. I was, you know, like, I get it.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: It's it's a hard thing. I personally would say, you're
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: playing for me or nobody, because what are the odds
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: that Tampa is making that move that quarterback? So now
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: this is twice in four years, three years, they're getting
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: the marquee quarterback on the market, right, like more often,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: more likely is they're getting like Jameis Winston back. It's
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, Matt Ryan's like, hey look
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: at me, and the only quarterback, last quarterback in the division.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, is any part of you think that
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: Brady just said what he said in part just to
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: stay relevant. Yeah, like that he just wants to be
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: like included in any of these conversations. I mean we
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: all said that's why Gronk was doing it, you know,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: leading people on it. Yeah. I mean you could make
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: the same argument Gronk was doing it to sell products. Yeah,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: but and maybe act right, he's just why I said, Yeah,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: you could make the same argument. It's a tough transition,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: I think for guys, especially someone like him, who has
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: been doing this and has been regimented and now he's
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: gonna be kind of spinning without this a cranky little
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: beach in like two months. Sure. Well, but I could
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: also see liked l if he if he really believes
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: in his TB twelve empire and goes into the business
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: world and says, you know what, my goal is to
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: take over this aspect of the sports therapy or lifestyle
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: market path leisure out. Yeah, like five to ten years
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: from now, we're going to be considered the best in
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: the world. Like, I could see him being like psychotically
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: obsessed with doing that, and like he's got a new
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: passion coming for you, Lululemon. There's more than one thing
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: in the world that you can like and be good
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: at and and want to go after. My name is Tom.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: Like it's so competitive, Like maybe he gets into that
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: and decides, Okay, I can I can get into this
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: and be really ultra competitive in that. He could. Yeah,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: maybe he'll just become a fan of a team and
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: get super invested in it like me. Well, I heard,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: and now we're up against it. But I heard, like
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: you know, he wants you know, like there's rumors of
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: him wanting to be an owner in the league. But
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's from him or just someone
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: speculating him and Peyton should go joint joint venture, Like
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: Peyton could get out and do all the talking and
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: day be entertaining that Tom's not and Tom could be
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: the closer behind the scenes. I's been a little looser
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: these last couple of years doing commercials and stuff. He's
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: just not good at him subway, But I'm Tom Brady
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: be an expansion team, maybe the Omaha something. All Right,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
• 1:59:38
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• 1:59:42
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• 1:59:47
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