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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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Speaker 2: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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Speaker 1: Lovett is, of course, a devout Christian, so he's taken
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Speaker 1: one more day to fully celebrate Easter.
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Speaker 2: And then he will have risen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that worked.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it worked. All right, so on today's show,
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Speaker 1: Trump's apprentice-style veepstakes has begun. Wall Street billionaires are coming
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Speaker 1: to his rescue. His truth social stock is tanking. Lost
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Speaker 1: a billion dollars today. And he continues to attack and
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Speaker 1: threaten his political opponents and their families. Meanwhile, Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: reaches out to Nikki Haley voters and move over Beyonce
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Speaker 1: because RNC chair Lara Trump has dropped a banger.
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Speaker 2: Oof.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she is. But first... I hope all who celebrate
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Speaker 1: had a happy Easter because the most online partisan Republicans
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Speaker 1: certainly did not. Everyone from Trump and Mike Johnson on
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Speaker 1: down was outraged, outraged that Joe Biden issued a proclamation
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Speaker 1: on Transgender Day of Visibility as he has for the
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Speaker 1: last four years without controversy. But the reason Republicans had
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Speaker 1: a fit this year is because Transgender Day of Visibility,
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Speaker 1: which has been March 31st for the last 15 years,
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Speaker 1: happened to fall on Easter Sunday. And the idea that
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Speaker 1: a devout Catholic like Biden would dare to tell a
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Speaker 1: group of Americans who've been targeted by hate and discrimination
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Speaker 1: that they're loved and included on Easter of all days.
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Speaker 1: was too much for the anti-trans community.
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Speaker 3: To celebrate the day of trans visibility in and of
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Speaker 3: itself is an affront to Christianity, but it's also a
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Speaker 3: random day created by a random person out of Michigan
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Speaker 3: in the same way that I could declare March 30th
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Speaker 3: as the day of Lisa.
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Speaker 1: Well, recognize it another day, not on Easter Sunday. It's
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Speaker 1: an affront to the Bible.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is a clear effort and a coordinated effort
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Speaker 3: to remove God from our society and to replace God
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Speaker 3: with false gods. And in this instance, it's the trans community.
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Speaker 1: False gods? Why did we replace God with a trans God?
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Speaker 2: I didn't know we did that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I wasn't too surprised that this became a
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Speaker 1: thing on the right.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 1: I didn't expect the magnitude of the freakout. What did
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Speaker 1: you make of the war on Easter?
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Speaker 2: It's so manufactured. And we're so used to this manufactured outrage.
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Speaker 2: We're probably kind of numb to it. But it is
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Speaker 2: exhausting and relentless. And it's just Republicans are able to
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Speaker 2: do this in part because they have the media infrastructure
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Speaker 2: to amplify it. And they kick it up. And then,
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Speaker 2: you know, because Fox covers it, you get a bunch
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Speaker 2: more Republicans who put out statements and then it becomes
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Speaker 2: a bigger thing. And the utterly phony nature of this
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Speaker 2: faux outrage was best embodied by Caitlyn Jenner, who on
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Speaker 2: March 31st, 2017, tweeted, hashtag trans day of visibility. There's
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Speaker 2: no better visibility than with sisters by my side as
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Speaker 2: a photo of Caitlyn with some of her friends. And
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Speaker 2: then this weekend tweeted, I am absolutely disgusted that Joe
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Speaker 2: Biden has declared the most holy of holy days a
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Speaker 2: self-proclaimed devout Catholic as transgender day of visibility. The only
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Speaker 2: thing you should be declaring on this day is he
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Speaker 2: all caps is risen. So I don't know, I guess
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Speaker 2: Caitlyn Jenner is fine with people saying she doesn't deserve
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Speaker 2: to exist, uh, on certain days, but you know, you,
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Speaker 2: we've seen this a million times in the Obama years,
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Speaker 2: the main street media then covers the controversy that's got
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Speaker 2: kicked up by Fox news. And here we are.
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Speaker 1: It, it broke through in such a way. And so quickly, uh,
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Speaker 1: that it got to all the normies in my life.
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Speaker 2: Me too.
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Speaker 1: That's why I was like, okay, I get this. In 2015, 16, 2012,
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Speaker 1: it could be a couple segments on a Fox show,
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Speaker 1: a couple Fox hosts, a right-wing radio. The fact that
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Speaker 1: we had the fucking Speaker of the House, Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: not really surprised there, and Republican governors, Republican congressmen, it
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Speaker 1: was everywhere. And it's so fucking phony. And you know
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Speaker 1: it's phony because Now that they've all been corrected because
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Speaker 1: they were all wrong because Joe Biden didn't pick the
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Speaker 1: day and the day just happened to fall on Easter
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Speaker 1: because these people don't know how fucking calendar works or
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Speaker 1: they're all supposed to be devout Christians, but they don't
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Speaker 1: get that Easter Sunday means that it's a different date
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Speaker 1: every year, that it's been around for 15 years, that
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Speaker 1: Biden has, you know, proclaimed it, has issued a proclamation
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Speaker 1: for the last four years. They're still doing it. They
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Speaker 1: were still doing it today. They're just like they didn't
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Speaker 1: they didn't back down even a hint because it's just phony.
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Speaker 2: No one's mad at Christ for resurrecting on Transvisibility Day.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Why don't you ever hear that?
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Speaker 2: What did you make of the fact that the Trump
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Speaker 2: statement drew a distinction between Catholics and Christians? I'm no Huguenot,
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Speaker 2: but that had my spidey senses. I know.
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Speaker 1: I heard people saying that it is a historic sort
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Speaker 1: of slight from Protestants to Catholics. I think they did
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Speaker 1: it because Trump was very annoyed after the last election
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Speaker 1: that that he didn't get more of the Catholic vote, partly,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's partly because Biden won back some
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Speaker 1: white working class voters and Biden's Catholic, right? And so
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Speaker 1: I think that they are targeting, they really want the
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Speaker 1: Catholic vote. And so they thought they would go after Catholics,
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Speaker 1: but specifically, even though it doesn't make any sense. But
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Speaker 1: it's seen as a slight on Catholics.
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Speaker 2: It's a suggestion that you're not really a Christian, you're
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Speaker 2: a Catholic, you're an other thing, right?
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Speaker 1: Well, it says Christians and Catholics.
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Speaker 2: To the millions of Catholics and Christians. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: Christians should encompass Catholics.
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Speaker 1: It of course does.
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Speaker 2: One would think.
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Speaker 1: It of course does. But what really annoys me about
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Speaker 1: this too, like, this isn't some policy debate about, you know,
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Speaker 1: gender affirming care or... high school sports. It is simply
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Speaker 1: just recognizing trans people, a nice message of love and inclusion.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, how does that, how does that hurt you?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Like, even if you think being trans isn't compatible with Christianity,
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Speaker 1: which I would say is bullshit, like, how does it
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Speaker 1: affect you to have this fucking statement out?
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Speaker 2: It's just childish. I mean, I think, and it got
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Speaker 2: to the normies in people's lives, I think because there
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Speaker 2: was the first round of stories on that made up
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Speaker 2: controversy suggested that Joe Biden chose this day. He chose
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Speaker 2: Easter Sunday and they didn't have the context of this.
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Speaker 2: It's always been the 31st and that's been the case
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Speaker 2: for 15 years. And with all lies, like that took
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Speaker 2: a lot of time to catch up to people who
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Speaker 2: are reading about the story or maybe never will.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Were you also enraged that the White
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Speaker 1: House Easter egg contest doesn't allow for submissions that include
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Speaker 1: religious symbols, which has apparently been the case for the
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Speaker 1: last 45 years?
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Speaker 2: I had to read about this one Five times to
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Speaker 2: try to get it. And I still don't think I do. So,
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Speaker 2: so the white house works with the American egg board
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Speaker 2: on the Easter egg roll, which is an events on
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Speaker 2: the South lawn on Easter Sunday. My only experience of
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Speaker 2: the Easter egg roll was, uh, one year I got
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Speaker 2: my cousin Jeremy tickets and he went with his daughter's.
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Speaker 2: And then I asked if he wanted to go again
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Speaker 2: next year and he was like, nah, we're good.
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Speaker 1: It is very crowded.
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Speaker 2: I think it was very crowded. A lot of screaming
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Speaker 2: kids sweating on a lawn. So whatever. But I guess, yeah,
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Speaker 2: they don't allow religious egg designs. They haven't since 1976.
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Speaker 2: What's Gerald Ford doing? I guess. But I guess my
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Speaker 2: reaction was who cares, but also why not? If some
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Speaker 2: little goober wants to make an egg with a crucifixion
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Speaker 2: on it, like have at it.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it either. Cause there was a, it's
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Speaker 1: the same language they've used for 45 years and it's like,
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Speaker 1: No offensive symbols, no partisan symbols, and also no overtly
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Speaker 1: religious symbols. I imagine it's some kind of civil rights,
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Speaker 1: liberties language where separation, church, and state, all that kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff. But if you want to come to the
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Speaker 1: Easter egg roll with a big picture of Jesus on
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Speaker 1: your shirt, great. Just don't put it on the fucking egg.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, that's what's going on with Joe Biden on Easter.
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Speaker 1: Here's a fun CNN chyron that was blaring across the
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Speaker 1: television screen yesterday. Trump spends Easter Sunday posting on social
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Speaker 1: media about, quote, people that I completely and totally despise.
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Speaker 1: He went on a real tirade on his fake Twitter.
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Speaker 1: He also posted about, quote, the crucifixion of Donald Trump. That's,
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Speaker 1: of course, appropriate. That's appropriate for Easter. And he posted
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Speaker 1: two pieces that call Trump, quote, a miracle sent and
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Speaker 1: chosen by God himself. Sure. So my opinion is, that
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Speaker 1: those Easter messages would weird out more normie voters than
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Speaker 1: the current president saying nice things to trans people. But
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Speaker 1: what do you think?
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Speaker 2: I feel like stories like this are when I feel
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Speaker 2: the most like I'm either in a time machine or
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Speaker 2: stuck in a sort of broken, endless loop of Trump.
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Speaker 2: Because this happens all the time. We get outraged. I
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Speaker 2: think his followers kind of find it ironic and funny,
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Speaker 2: I guess. Some of the white Christian evangelicals Probably believe
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Speaker 2: more than we'd like to admit that he is some
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Speaker 2: flawed vehicle from Christ.
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Speaker 1: They do.
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Speaker 2: Now, obviously, Trump likes this response because this is essentially
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Speaker 2: a format he uses. I Googled a random holiday just
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Speaker 2: to see if there was a good example. John, this
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Speaker 2: is I Googled Trump Veterans Day comments. This is from
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Speaker 2: Veterans Day speech last year. We pledge to you that
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Speaker 2: we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the
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Speaker 2: radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines
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Speaker 2: of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections.
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Speaker 2: So I think we actually covered that.
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Speaker 1: Was that Christmas?
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Speaker 2: No, that was Veterans Day.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Veterans Day. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know. There are probably a lot of voters.
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Speaker 2: We know from polling. There are voters who hate this
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Speaker 2: side of him. They hate the tweets and the cruelty.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think the normies don't like this.
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Speaker 2: Normies don't like it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they'll hear about it.
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Speaker 4: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing is I think we need to like–
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Speaker 1: I mean– Just the idea– and by the way, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of normies, normie voters who are religious, who
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Speaker 1: are Christians or Catholic or whatever. And they don't think
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Speaker 1: that– they're not Trump supporters. They don't think that he
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Speaker 1: is some god. They don't think he is like Jesus.
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Speaker 2: No, probably not.
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Speaker 1: And when he compares himself to Jesus and then spends
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Speaker 1: Easter just attacking random people and never mentions Jesus, they
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Speaker 1: probably think that's weird. If they heard about it, they
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Speaker 1: would think that's fucking weird.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird. I think, though, the religious in
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Speaker 2: our look, the evangelical Christians have been all in on
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Speaker 2: Trump and the kind of normie voter religious folks. I
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Speaker 2: don't know. They don't talk about it too much. So
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Speaker 2: it hasn't got a lot of blowback. The thing I
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Speaker 2: do wonder about is we used to talk about how
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Speaker 2: people wanted politics to be boring again. And the Joe
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Speaker 2: Biden was kind of the answer there. I wonder if
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Speaker 2: that was a lie. I wonder if we all got
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Speaker 2: hooked on the like weird. Trump fentanyl of the vicious
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Speaker 2: shit talking, you know, it's just like jarringly different than
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Speaker 2: what we're used to that people kind of miss the stuff.
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Speaker 2: That's my, my fear. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think we, we like it, meaning we, the highly
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Speaker 1: politically engaged people who like follow this stuff all the time.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, we obviously hate Trump and are doing
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Speaker 1: everything we can to avoid him being elected. But I
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Speaker 1: do think there is a, a very online or very
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Speaker 1: like attentive to politics type of person who sees all
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Speaker 1: this and is just like, you know, this is like
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Speaker 1: every day and we're all caught up in it. I
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Speaker 1: think that most people, first of all, I think it's
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Speaker 1: what you said. They're not paying attention.
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Speaker 2: Most will never see this.
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Speaker 1: Most people will never hear about this controversy. Though if
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Speaker 1: I was the Biden people, I don't know. I do
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Speaker 1: some targeted advertising about Trump, the fake religious asshole who's
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Speaker 1: always talking about how he's persecuted because it does fit
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Speaker 1: back into the overall message about him. That he only
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Speaker 1: fucking cares about himself. One of the posts said that
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Speaker 1: Trump posted this from a supporter said, it's ironic that
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Speaker 1: Christ walked through his greatest persecution the very week they
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Speaker 1: are trying to steal your property from you. Yeah. Jesus
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Speaker 1: Christ dying for mankind's sins is much like Trump's inability
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Speaker 1: to post half a billion dollars bond because he committed
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Speaker 1: business fraud and was held liable for it.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember when Trump was asked by a reporter
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Speaker 2: who shall not be named what his favorite Bible passage was? Oh.
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Speaker 2: And he was like, Corinthians 2 or something. He just
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Speaker 2: got it completely wrong. It was clear he'd never read
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Speaker 2: a single Bible passage.
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Speaker 1: I saw this. Remember that McKay Coppins Atlantic piece in 2016?
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Speaker 1: And the headline is Trump secretly mocks his Christian supporters.
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Speaker 1: It's all he knows.
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Speaker 2: It's all out there and they never care.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 1: They never care.
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Speaker 2: He does their bidding on abortion. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Joe Biden's message on Easter. Easter reminds us of
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Speaker 1: the power of hope and the promise of Christ's resurrection.
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Speaker 1: As we gather with loved ones, we remember Jesus's sacrifice.
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Speaker 1: There's Joe Biden.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 1: In other Trump news, his search for a running mate
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Speaker 1: to replace the guy his mob almost hung is reportedly
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Speaker 1: getting serious. Lots of interest in this job. Don't know why.
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Speaker 1: Politico says the campaign is currently busy vetting a list
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Speaker 1: that includes the following candidates. Tim Scott, J.D. Vance, Katie Britt,
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio, South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, North Dakota Governor
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Speaker 1: Doug Burgum, all the Dakotas, Arkansas Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders,
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Speaker 1: Florida Representative Byron Donnells, and Tulsi Gabbard. former representative from Hawaii,
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Speaker 1: former Democrat turned crazy person. And here's a dark horse
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Speaker 1: from convicted felon Roger Stone.
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Speaker 5: Got a name? You know who I'd like? I just
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Speaker 5: thought of this last night. Devin Nunes, a 20-year member
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Speaker 5: of Congress, former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, someone
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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is very close to and trusts entirely, Hispanic,
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Speaker 5: a former farmer before he went to Congress. I think
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Speaker 5: he'd be an excellent choice.
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Speaker 1: Not Hispanic.
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Speaker 2: I think he's Portuguese.
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Speaker 1: He's Portuguese, not Hispanic.
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Speaker 2: Very different.
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Speaker 1: Currently running Truth Social, a big, huge scam. So that's
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Speaker 1: a great choice.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: So we have been waiting. patiently and responsibly for the
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Speaker 1: republican primary to end before engaging in silly and ultimately
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Speaker 1: pointless vp speculation now we get to let it rip
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Speaker 1: let's go all right here's a few questions who on
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Speaker 1: that list do you think gives trump the biggest political benefit.
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Speaker 2: Okay uh Let's see what you think about this one.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, the quote was, the Bible means
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Speaker 2: a lot to me, but I don't want to get
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Speaker 2: into specifics.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, great answer if you don't know.
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Speaker 2: That is the funniest thing.
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Speaker 1: It's a great answer.
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Speaker 2: What's a Bible passage that means a lot to you?
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get into specifics. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to spoil it. I don't want to spoil it. What
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Speaker 1: are the people who haven't read it? You got to
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Speaker 1: read it yourself.
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Speaker 2: It's truly the funniest thing ever.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about this? On paper, I kind
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Speaker 2: of think the most valuable pick could be Tulsi Gabbard.
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Speaker 1: What?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, wait for it.
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Speaker 1: Stick with me, stick with me, stick with me. Give
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Speaker 1: it to me, give it to me.
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Speaker 2: Okay, because if you pick a Democrat, that is the
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Speaker 2: most surprising thing he could do. It is the biggest
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Speaker 2: tent argument, right? Is she still a Democrat? No, but
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Speaker 2: she was one. Okay, but you can say former. She's
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Speaker 2: an elected Democrat. And, you know, so you could make
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Speaker 2: that argument that like, you can't call me too partisan.
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Speaker 2: He picked a Democrat for his VP, right? So it's
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Speaker 2: a big tent thing. And then also Trump knows that
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Speaker 2: Republicans are struggling with women, especially after the Dobbs decision.
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Speaker 2: And you could see Tulsi as an asset there. Now
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Speaker 2: that's on paper. In practice, she's really weird. So there
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Speaker 2: is that.
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Speaker 1: She's really weird and just gotten weirder, steadily weirder over time.
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Speaker 2: Remember the messages to Putin, like to camera?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got a little, she's a little too, little
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Speaker 1: too Putin friendly. Just very weird. She wouldn't do the very,
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Speaker 1: like the RFK Jr. type, like, I'm anti-war, anti-establishment, anti-populist, right?
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Speaker 1: She would go there.
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Speaker 2: She's in the military.
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Speaker 1: So I could, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know what?
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Speaker 1: You sort of make a good case.
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Speaker 2: Call me Roger Stone.
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Speaker 1: You make a better case than I expected for Tulsi Gabbard.
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Speaker 2: Who's your number one?
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Speaker 1: Tim Scott.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I think for political benefit, he's the one I worry
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Speaker 1: about because I think he could create a permission structure
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Speaker 1: for disengaged black voters, especially black men, young black men,
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Speaker 1: who uh don't like either candidate yep and the permission
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Speaker 1: structure will allow them to back trump because and these
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Speaker 1: are by the way these would be voters who do
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Speaker 1: not pay close attention to politics are not partisan democrats
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Speaker 1: consider themselves moderate who by the way are the if
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Speaker 1: we're to the extent that democrats um have an issue
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Speaker 1: with black voters it is those black voters that that
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Speaker 1: the party's worried about that have been drifting away from
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Speaker 1: the party and i think tim scott again if you
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Speaker 1: haven't paid attention to the primary he's young he's seemingly
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Speaker 1: genial And I think that Trump, I could see the
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Speaker 1: campaign wanting that. And I could also, Kellyanne Conway made
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Speaker 1: a pitch for him in a New York Times op-ed.
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Speaker 1: So that's the one that I kind of worry about.
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Speaker 2: Counterpoint, too weird.
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Speaker 1: That's why I think that Trump might not want him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some vibes there. I mean, I think
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Speaker 2: Byron Donalds is similar. You can imagine the campaign wanting
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Speaker 2: an African-American VP to help reach out to black voters.
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Speaker 2: He does create that similar permission structure. But also CNN
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Speaker 2: had a recent report about how much Byron Donald uses
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Speaker 2: shit on Trump on Facebook, including comparing the birther attacks
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Speaker 2: to being a 9-11 truther. So you do think that
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Speaker 2: one might sting a bit.
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Speaker 1: And also, how many people are they going to have
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Speaker 1: move out of Florida for Donald Trump? Because he's also
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Speaker 1: from Florida, just like Rubio.
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Speaker 2: This gets you to my favorite option, which is you
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Speaker 2: get Rubio to move out of Florida, and then you
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Speaker 2: don't pick him. Oh my God, I didn't think about that.
17:14
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
17:15
Speaker 2: Because under the Constitution, you can't both be from the
17:17
Speaker 2: same state.
17:18
Speaker 1: You get him to move. Where can we have him move?
17:22
Speaker 1: We get him to move to Jersey and you just
17:24
Speaker 1: don't pick him.
17:24
Speaker 2: Just kidding, Jersey. That's such a great idea. Georgia.
17:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
17:29
Speaker 2: Any others? Any other favorites you like?
17:31
Speaker 1: In terms of helping him politically, I honestly don't think.
17:35
Speaker 1: I mean, there is the he picks a woman so
17:37
Speaker 1: that helps him politically. I don't know. I think it
17:40
Speaker 1: very much depends on who he picks. I don't know
17:43
Speaker 1: how well. christy gnome wears after a while she's like
17:46
Speaker 1: selling veneers you know that's.
17:48
Speaker 2: Why is she doing teeth ads i don't know out
17:50
Speaker 2: of state.
17:51
Speaker 1: I don't i don't think sarah huckabee sanders gets you
17:53
Speaker 1: much no.
17:54
Speaker 2: Right what if doug bergham writes a big check that that.
17:57
Speaker 1: Well that's i guess that could would help him politically
17:59
Speaker 1: a big check yeah that's that's a possibility katie britt
18:02
Speaker 1: i wonder like right now she's super mockable because of
18:05
Speaker 1: the state of the union response People who know her
18:07
Speaker 1: were sort of surprised how bad she was. So I
18:10
Speaker 1: wonder if she could possibly fix that over time.
18:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.
18:12
Speaker 1: And now her expectations are low. But I think, honestly,
18:15
Speaker 1: I think most of these people are like a, just
18:17
Speaker 1: a net neutral. Like I don't think they help or
18:20
Speaker 1: hurt politically. Though I do, like I said, I do
18:22
Speaker 1: worry about Tim Scott a little bit.
18:23
Speaker 2: Well, with Katie Britt, there's a non-zero chance that she
18:26
Speaker 2: crawls through your TV and kills you like the girl
18:28
Speaker 2: in the ring.
18:29
Speaker 5: I know.
18:29
Speaker 1: It's like, can she shake that? Can she shake that weird?
18:33
Speaker 2: I don't know.
18:33
Speaker 1: I don't know.
18:34
Speaker 2: But in terms of the negatives generally, I mean, I
18:36
Speaker 2: do think the downside to Brit, uh, Kristi Noem, Byron Donalds, Tulsi,
18:41
Speaker 2: and to probably a lesser extent, JD Vance is that
18:43
Speaker 2: they are just less well known. And so you have
18:46
Speaker 2: more of an opportunity to define them. You probably remember
18:48
Speaker 2: this actually, you might, you guys might've all been at
18:50
Speaker 2: the convention when McCain picked Palin, we were sitting around
18:53
Speaker 2: at Obama HQ, like literally Googling her name and learning
18:56
Speaker 2: about her for the first time and also finding brutal
18:59
Speaker 2: opposition research hits on her in real time. And she's
19:02
Speaker 2: obviously like a singularly terrible pick. But there was a
19:06
Speaker 2: bit of this with Pence, too, because people didn't really
19:07
Speaker 2: know him that well outside of D.C. And they were
19:09
Speaker 2: digging up his old columns, like attacking Mulan or whatever. And,
19:13
Speaker 2: you know, there was there was a lot of space
19:14
Speaker 2: there to define them nationally.
19:17
Speaker 1: Well, and Pence turned out to be just a nothing burger.
19:20
Speaker 4: Yeah.
19:20
Speaker 2: Right.
19:20
Speaker 1: Like didn't help him, didn't hurt him, was just there.
19:23
Speaker 2: Just around.
19:23
Speaker 1: Which is until he almost wasn't, which is exactly what
19:27
Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants.
19:28
Speaker 5: Right.
19:28
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't want anyone to outshine him. He just
19:30
Speaker 1: wants someone to be loyal, sit next to him. and
19:33
Speaker 1: then overturn the election if he needs them to do that.
19:36
Speaker 1: That's all he wants. So do you think there's anyone
19:38
Speaker 1: who would be a political net negative like a Sarah Palin? Like,
19:41
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anyone in this crowd, like
19:42
Speaker 1: maybe Gabbard if she goes sideways.
19:45
Speaker 2: She's got the sideways potential. Not an obvious one, but
19:48
Speaker 2: I do think the lesser known one. ones create the
19:51
Speaker 2: most risk for you.
19:52
Speaker 1: I think that Rubio, and this is the Byron Donald's
19:55
Speaker 1: problem too, I think like playing clip after clip of
19:59
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio saying what he said about Donald Trump as
20:01
Speaker 1: he's the running mate is a problem.
20:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would not go well.
20:04
Speaker 1: I don't think it would.
20:05
Speaker 2: It would not wear well. All right.
20:06
Speaker 1: Who do you think would be the worst slash scariest
20:09
Speaker 1: president ever? uh, if Trump gets the hamburger from heaven
20:13
Speaker 1: and this VP becomes president.
20:15
Speaker 2: So setting aside the Katie Britt crawl through your TV,
20:18
Speaker 2: like the girl from the ring thing, um, JD Vance,
20:21
Speaker 2: I think to me, that's awesome.
20:22
Speaker 1: That was mine. Yeah.
20:24
Speaker 2: You probably read the long political piece.
20:26
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't know you're a better reader than
20:28
Speaker 1: I am.
20:29
Speaker 2: Lucky you then John, I get to tell you about it. Um, I,
20:32
Speaker 2: what it told me was that he is, more sincerely
20:35
Speaker 2: committed to the America first, uh, white Christian nationalist project
20:41
Speaker 2: that we're seeing out of the heritage foundation and these
20:43
Speaker 2: other think tanks than I thought. And maybe it's a
20:46
Speaker 2: different project than Trump. Um, and it made my hair
20:50
Speaker 2: stand on end and worry about him. The question with
20:52
Speaker 2: him has always been like, is he the JD Vance from, uh,
20:56
Speaker 2: his book that seemed more reasonable, which I read at
20:59
Speaker 2: the time. I thought it was pretty good. And I
21:00
Speaker 2: know you're not allowed to say that anymore. And no, no,
21:02
Speaker 2: I did in Twitter circles, but, It was interesting and
21:05
Speaker 2: it seemed like an effort to better understand people's problems
21:09
Speaker 2: and solve them. I think he was wrong about all
21:10
Speaker 2: his solutions. But the J.D. Vance that we've all gotten
21:14
Speaker 2: to know since is scary and isolationist in bad ways
21:17
Speaker 2: and just a bad person and a demagogue.
21:19
Speaker 1: And I actually don't think he is bullshitting us. I
21:24
Speaker 1: think he has been radicalized. I agree. And I think
21:27
Speaker 1: he's pretty smart, certainly smarter than Trump. I kind of
21:30
Speaker 1: think he's like what people thought DeSantis might be, but
21:33
Speaker 1: like the real deal.
21:35
Speaker 2: Smarter DeSantis.
21:36
Speaker 1: So I do. I worry about him a lot.
21:37
Speaker 2: All right.
21:37
Speaker 1: Now getting inside Trump's mind, which is always fun. Who
21:40
Speaker 1: do you think he wants and who do you think
21:41
Speaker 1: the campaign wants? I think the campaign wants Scott, maybe Rubio.
21:45
Speaker 1: They want someone to help with certain demographics. That'd be
21:49
Speaker 1: my guess.
21:50
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if you're Donald Trump and you're picking
21:53
Speaker 2: like a roll dog and someone that you've got to
21:54
Speaker 2: have around all the time, I think he probably wants J.D.
21:57
Speaker 2: They seem like they seem like there's kind of a
21:59
Speaker 2: buddy buddy thing going on. I think Don Jr. is
22:02
Speaker 2: friends with J.D. Vance, which Trump won't totally hold against him. But,
22:06
Speaker 2: you know, it's out there. So I could see them
22:09
Speaker 2: being buddies. And there also seems to be a genuine
22:13
Speaker 2: friendship relationship with Kristi Noem that I don't totally understand.
22:16
Speaker 1: Also, you know, Trump's presentation person, right?
22:19
Speaker 2: The central casting.
22:20
Speaker 5: Yes.
22:21
Speaker 1: Look at this attractive woman that I have as my
22:23
Speaker 1: running man. He feels like that about men, too. You
22:25
Speaker 1: have to look good. To be around Trump.
22:27
Speaker 2: To fly Air Force One, you have to be smoking hot.
22:30
Speaker 2: You have to look like Tom Cruise, but better.
22:32
Speaker 1: Even though that has not worked out for him with
22:33
Speaker 1: some of the people that he has had around him,
22:35
Speaker 1: but that is what he says.
22:36
Speaker 2: That shit a lot. No, all the generals are out
22:38
Speaker 2: of central casting.
22:39
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, he does it when he's like, they're manly
22:41
Speaker 1: and they're tough and they're big muscles, you know. So
22:44
Speaker 1: Trump has also been cozying up to some Wall Street billionaires,
22:47
Speaker 1: if Doug Burgum doesn't come through with the check. both
22:50
Speaker 1: as potential Treasury secretaries and donors to his cash-strapped campaign.
22:54
Speaker 1: He's got a fundraiser in Palm Beach this weekend on
22:57
Speaker 1: Saturday that his campaign claims will raise $ 33 million, which
23:01
Speaker 1: would break Biden's record of $ 25 million from last week's
23:04
Speaker 1: event with Obama and Clinton. Trump's is being co-hosted by
23:08
Speaker 1: billionaire hedge fund manager John Paulson. who famously got rich
23:12
Speaker 1: off the subprime mortgage crisis.
23:13
Speaker 2: Nice.
23:14
Speaker 1: And is now, uh, reportedly a candidate for treasury secretary.
23:17
Speaker 5: Great.
23:17
Speaker 1: Uh, there's also a bunch of rich people, uh, going
23:20
Speaker 1: who at one time or another said they were done
23:22
Speaker 1: with Trump. Uh, one donor told the wall street journal quote,
23:25
Speaker 1: there are a lot of wall street people who tried
23:27
Speaker 1: everything else and are in the process of coming back
23:30
Speaker 1: to the party and Trump. Ah, well they didn't, uh,
23:33
Speaker 1: they didn't like the attempted coup and insurrection, but, uh,
23:36
Speaker 1: You know what's really bad? A higher marginal tax rate.
23:39
Speaker 2: That was Melania, right? That quote? No, just kidding.
23:44
Speaker 5: Yeah.
23:44
Speaker 2: So let me channel my inner Ben LeBolt for a second,
23:47
Speaker 2: the White House communications director. If I were a reporter
23:50
Speaker 2: covering the Trump campaign, I would probably wait to see
23:53
Speaker 2: some receipts before I reported that it was going to
23:56
Speaker 2: raise $ 33 million at an event.
23:59
Speaker 1: It's possible.
24:00
Speaker 2: But the Biden fundraiser with Obama, Bill Clinton, Stephen Colbert
24:03
Speaker 2: at Radio City, a venue that seats like 5,000 people
24:07
Speaker 2: raised $ 25 million. And that was unheard of. I couldn't
24:10
Speaker 2: believe it when I saw those numbers. So again, this
24:13
Speaker 2: event with Trump could raise $ 33 million. The reason is
24:15
Speaker 2: because of a bunch of Supreme Court rulings that did
24:18
Speaker 2: away with donation caps. And now, if you're a Democrat,
24:23
Speaker 2: you can be asked to write a check for $ 929, 600
24:25
Speaker 2: to the Joint Fundraising Committee that goes to the Biden campaign,
24:32
Speaker 2: the DNC, Democratic state parties. That's before you get the
24:35
Speaker 2: super PAC. So basically- God help you if you're a
24:38
Speaker 2: rich Democrat and Jeffrey Katzenberg has your number.
24:42
Speaker 1: That's going to be bad.
24:43
Speaker 2: That call is coming. But so who knows? Like maybe
24:44
Speaker 2: they can find 40 billionaires to write like an $ 800, 000
24:47
Speaker 2: somewhat check to the Trump victory fund. But I doubt it.
24:52
Speaker 1: I just, I know it shouldn't be surprising, but these
24:54
Speaker 1: fucking billionaires coming back to Trump who were like, Yeah,
24:58
Speaker 1: no more after January 6th, you know, they all wrote
25:00
Speaker 1: their little missives and maybe it was on Twitter or
25:03
Speaker 1: maybe it was on their email list to their rich friends,
25:05
Speaker 1: you know, never again, no more Trump. And now they're
25:07
Speaker 1: only back because they only give a shit about themselves
25:08
Speaker 1: and their money. And that's who they're going to, they're
25:11
Speaker 1: just like Trump, right? Like, and they're going to take
25:13
Speaker 1: care of rich people if they get back to the
25:16
Speaker 1: White House and he gets back to the White House
25:17
Speaker 1: and they play a role in it. And it's all
25:19
Speaker 1: a scam. These people all think that Trump voters are
25:21
Speaker 1: fucking rubes. They have no respect for them. They just
25:25
Speaker 1: don't care. It's just like how Trump feels about the,
25:27
Speaker 1: evangelical Christians, feels the same way about his other voters.
25:31
Speaker 1: He just wants rich friends around. That's all he wants.
25:33
Speaker 2: We love the rubes. You can imagine saying it at
25:35
Speaker 2: an event. I mean, we dealt with this same stuff
25:38
Speaker 2: in the Obama years. We had a bunch of Wall
25:41
Speaker 2: Street types support Obama because they thought he was inspiring.
25:44
Speaker 2: They were ready to move on from the Bush years.
25:47
Speaker 2: And then they got really sad because during the financial crisis,
25:51
Speaker 2: there was rhetoric coming out of the Democratic Party in
25:54
Speaker 2: the White House that was anti-Wall Street.
25:56
Speaker 1: That's right, listeners. You might be surprised to learn that
25:59
Speaker 1: the big thing that we dealt with in that first
26:00
Speaker 1: year was people angry at Obama because he was too
26:03
Speaker 1: tough on Wall Street.
26:05
Speaker 2: Because their feelings were all hurt because, I don't know,
26:08
Speaker 2: they almost ruined the global economy and we had to
26:10
Speaker 2: remind them that this administration is the reason there aren't
26:13
Speaker 2: people with pitchforks in your office right now.
26:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we didn't want to give them more bonuses
26:17
Speaker 1: than paid for by the fucking taxpayers.
26:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, I think the challenge is always going
26:22
Speaker 2: to be that at the end of the day, These
26:25
Speaker 2: donations are investments for Republicans because they pay off a
26:29
Speaker 2: bunch of Republicans now and they cut their taxes later.
26:32
Speaker 4: Yeah.
26:32
Speaker 2: If you're supporting a Democrat, you're probably going to get
26:34
Speaker 2: your taxes increased if it can get through Congress, which,
26:37
Speaker 2: you know, will be difficult.
26:38
Speaker 1: And that's what these people really care about. Honestly, that's
26:40
Speaker 1: what like fucking Elon Musk cares about. That's what David
26:43
Speaker 1: Sachs cares about. That's what all these people, they just feel,
26:46
Speaker 1: you know, they feel attacked. Because all they do is
26:49
Speaker 1: just like sit on Twitter, sit on social media and
26:52
Speaker 1: have their brains poisoned by the Internet. And then they're
26:54
Speaker 1: worried that someone's coming for their money.
26:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I think the richer you get, the more
26:58
Speaker 2: paranoid you get. Two quick things on fundraising that I
27:00
Speaker 2: just wanted to flag. Did you see that today Trump
27:03
Speaker 2: sent an April Fool's fundraising email with the subject line,
27:07
Speaker 2: I'm suspending my campaign?
27:08
Speaker 1: I did see that. And then at the bottom he said,
27:10
Speaker 1: April Fool's, just kidding. I will never surrender.
27:12
Speaker 2: I will never surrender.
27:13
Speaker 1: Easy, buddy.
27:14
Speaker 2: But Josh Dossey from Washington Post had a great story
27:16
Speaker 2: about how Republicans are having a hard time with small
27:20
Speaker 2: dollar fundraising because they just abuse their donors and their
27:23
Speaker 2: lists with messages like that.
27:25
Speaker 4: Yeah.
27:25
Speaker 2: And I guess the story talked about.
27:28
Speaker 1: How- I'll just say Democrats in glass houses.
27:30
Speaker 2: Oh, well, listen. Texting stop is my kink. It's all
27:35
Speaker 2: I do. I complained about it. All my friends complained
27:37
Speaker 2: about it. Hannah was complaining about it the other day.
27:39
Speaker 1: It's awful.
27:39
Speaker 2: It's awful. The story talked about how they've been trying
27:41
Speaker 2: to diversify away from only Trump messaging because that was
27:44
Speaker 2: doing the best, but they were like doing it too often.
27:48
Speaker 2: But they've been struggling. And it said, quote, one such message,
27:50
Speaker 2: a sweepstakes to meet Pence raised less than $ 500, according
27:55
Speaker 2: to people familiar with the 2022 sweepstakes. So again.
27:57
Speaker 1: Whose message was that to meet Pence?
27:59
Speaker 2: It was a donor email where you could win a
28:01
Speaker 2: sweepstakes or meet Mike Pence. And it raised 500 bucks.
28:05
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a message about Mike Pence that would
28:07
Speaker 1: have raised some money.
28:08
Speaker 2: I know, I know.
28:08
Speaker 1: It would have been hang out with Mike Pence, but
28:10
Speaker 1: not hang out.
28:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a little different. Yeah, tweak it.
28:13
Speaker 1: So it does seem like Trump really needs all this money.
28:15
Speaker 1: Did you see that he lost a billion dollars today, Monday,
28:21
Speaker 1: after shares of his fake media company dropped by 20%?
28:23
Speaker 1: So yeah, DJT, the.
28:26
Speaker 2: Stock, ended the day down 21%. Which, I don't know,
28:30
Speaker 2: I guess they filed some paperwork that showed they lost
28:34
Speaker 2: $ 58 million. So that's not good.
28:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good in one year. Yeah, in 2023,
28:39
Speaker 1: $ 15 million.
28:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they generated $ 4. 1 million in revenue, which is
28:45
Speaker 2: not great. But I mean, it was surprising to me
28:48
Speaker 2: to see it drop 20% because, again, this is not
28:52
Speaker 2: a financially viable company at the moment. They're not trading
28:55
Speaker 2: on fundamentals. I'm not Apple. I'm not Apple. There's no
28:58
Speaker 2: price to equity. It's a meme stock. And so, I
29:01
Speaker 2: don't know. I think we're all just waiting to see
29:02
Speaker 2: if Trump gets permission to dump shares early from his board.
29:07
Speaker 1: I know. But I wonder, I saw something that if he,
29:10
Speaker 1: even if they vote to let him dump his shares early,
29:14
Speaker 1: they could be, like that could be an SEC violation
29:16
Speaker 1: because they're not, they don't have the interest of the
29:19
Speaker 1: company in mind there. I also wonder if part of
29:22
Speaker 1: the drop was due to, like in that filing, the
29:25
Speaker 1: company accountants warned that the losses are so severe that
29:29
Speaker 1: they quote, raise substantial doubt about the company's ability to continue.
29:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so the point of the SPAC merger is
29:35
Speaker 2: they SPAC, they merged with that DWAC company and they
29:39
Speaker 2: should now have access to $ 300 million because of that
29:42
Speaker 2: merger to run and grow the thing. But, you know,
29:44
Speaker 2: it sounds like they're burning through that pretty fast. DJT
29:47
Speaker 2: is also the most heavily shorted stock, I think, in
29:49
Speaker 2: the entire stock market right now. So a lot of
29:52
Speaker 2: investors are betting it will go down. But yeah, the
29:55
Speaker 2: value of the Trump shares went from 6 billion last
29:57
Speaker 2: week to 3.7 billion today. So that's a tough week.
30:01
Speaker 2: That said, it could all go back up. It's not
30:03
Speaker 2: trading on fundamentals. It's momentum, infomo, like a meme stock,
30:07
Speaker 2: like the crypto.
30:08
Speaker 1: Is this going to follow the polls, do we think?
30:10
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, I think ultimately this is
30:12
Speaker 2: a bet on him winning. Yeah. But until then, there's
30:15
Speaker 2: all these shit coins and cryptocurrencies, like the Pepe coins
30:19
Speaker 2: got a $ 3 billion market cap. There are people who
30:22
Speaker 2: like to buy this stuff.
30:23
Speaker 1: It's grift all the way down. All right, so after
30:36
Speaker 1: a two-week break from campaigning, Trump is in Wisconsin and
30:39
Speaker 1: Michigan this week where his campaign says he'll give remarks on, quote,
30:42
Speaker 1: Biden's border bloodbath. Just owning the bloodbath.
30:45
Speaker 2: Biden's border bloodbath.
30:47
Speaker 1: I know.
30:47
Speaker 2: It's a lot of Bs.
30:48
Speaker 1: A lot of Bs. This comes after Trump posted a
30:51
Speaker 1: video last weekend that includes an image of Joe Biden
30:53
Speaker 1: hogtied in the back of a pickup truck and several
30:56
Speaker 1: posts where he attacks the daughter of Judge Juan Marchand,
31:00
Speaker 1: shares her name and picture, and says that her father
31:02
Speaker 1: should be removed from the hush money case because... She
31:05
Speaker 1: apparently runs a consulting firm that apparently sometimes works with Democrats.
31:09
Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg, the district attorney, responded by asking the judge
31:12
Speaker 1: for a broader gag order. There's already one in place
31:15
Speaker 1: on Trump that also protects the judge and his family.
31:19
Speaker 1: So certainly not the first time any of this has happened.
31:21
Speaker 1: Obviously worries people like us. Do you think it resonates
31:24
Speaker 1: or breaks through with most voters? The Biden campaign today
31:27
Speaker 1: actually held a press conference and they had some ahead
31:30
Speaker 1: of this trip by Trump to Wisconsin and Michigan. And
31:33
Speaker 1: they had a couple police officers who served on January
31:36
Speaker 1: 6th sort of talking about Trump's threats of violence, how
31:40
Speaker 1: he incites violence, and sort of the effects that it had.
31:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that strategy is smart. I think if
31:45
Speaker 2: you treat it as a one-off, it probably won't work,
31:47
Speaker 2: especially the image of Biden hogtied on a truck. I mean,
31:51
Speaker 2: that's sort of like, I don't know, some weirdo's truck.
31:54
Speaker 2: It's kind of truck nuts adjacent. I don't know that people.
31:57
Speaker 1: The whole thing's weird.
31:58
Speaker 2: It's just odd, right? The attack on the family of
32:01
Speaker 2: a judge is wild. And I do think it's just
32:03
Speaker 2: worth pausing for a second that Trump, just to explain
32:07
Speaker 2: what's happening, Trump is attacking the adult daughter of a
32:10
Speaker 2: New York Supreme Court judge and saying her political affiliations
32:13
Speaker 2: mean her father can't be fair and impartial. Meanwhile, the
32:17
Speaker 2: classified documents case in Florida is being overseen by Aileen Cannon,
32:21
Speaker 2: who Trump literally appointed to the job. And by the way,
32:24
Speaker 2: if these things get appealed up to the Supreme Court,
32:26
Speaker 2: there'll be three more Trump appointees there just waiting to
32:29
Speaker 2: bail him out. So we're already in such a dumb place.
32:34
Speaker 2: The fact that we're debating this and calling it sort
32:37
Speaker 2: of rigged and unfair to him, as opposed to him
32:40
Speaker 2: literally being before a judge who he gave the job
32:43
Speaker 2: to is absurd on its face. But I do think
32:45
Speaker 2: on the violence point, like one-off people will probably just
32:49
Speaker 2: not see it or pay attention to it, but making
32:51
Speaker 2: it a broader story that ties back to Jan six,
32:53
Speaker 2: I do think that's real. I do too.
32:56
Speaker 1: And I think it's important for, again, like, there's people
32:59
Speaker 1: who are tuned into politics like us. And then there's
33:01
Speaker 1: people who aren't, which is most voters. And there's also a,
33:04
Speaker 1: for people who think that Trump bears just some responsibility
33:08
Speaker 1: for January 6th, which is like a good chunk of voters.
33:11
Speaker 1: They think, you know, they think he was bad, but
33:12
Speaker 1: they don't quite think it was all his fault. Right.
33:15
Speaker 1: And not necessarily Trump supporters either, just like sort of
33:17
Speaker 1: undecided moderate in the middle of voters. I think for them,
33:21
Speaker 1: the most effective arguments is like what Trump will do
33:25
Speaker 1: if he gets a second term that could incite violence. So,
33:29
Speaker 1: releasing a bunch of people from prison who were convicted
33:31
Speaker 1: by a jury of their peers for beating the shit
33:34
Speaker 1: out of police officers on January 6th. I think people
33:37
Speaker 1: would not like that. The fact that he and his
33:39
Speaker 1: advisors have talked about invoking the Insurrection Act so that
33:41
Speaker 1: he deploys the U.S. military against fucking protesters. That seems scary.
33:46
Speaker 1: The fact that he said police officers should be able
33:49
Speaker 1: to shoot suspected shoplifters on the spot when they walk
33:53
Speaker 1: out of a store. Those are the things that I
33:55
Speaker 1: think are more powerful arguments just because A, he said
33:59
Speaker 1: them and promised them or whatever else. And people can say,
34:02
Speaker 1: oh God, if he becomes president, that kind of world could,
34:06
Speaker 1: we could be living in that kind of world.
34:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly the case that it's weird and wrong
34:11
Speaker 2: to tweet out a photo of your political opponent being
34:15
Speaker 2: hogtied and taken somewhere to do bad things to them.
34:19
Speaker 2: It is part of a broader pattern of him, I think,
34:21
Speaker 2: normalizing political violence and celebrating it. I mean, I've forgotten
34:24
Speaker 2: about the comments about shooting shoplifters. But it also reminded
34:28
Speaker 2: me of when he was speaking before a bunch of
34:30
Speaker 2: police and he talked about how he encouraged them to
34:33
Speaker 2: rough suspects up when they shove them in the car
34:35
Speaker 2: and stuff.
34:36
Speaker 1: And now he's got a policy to match that for
34:38
Speaker 1: the second term. He wants to indemnify all police officers
34:42
Speaker 1: in the whole country, which is going to be hard
34:44
Speaker 1: to do as a federal law. But like it's same thing.
34:46
Speaker 1: He wants mandatory stop and frisk in every community in
34:49
Speaker 1: the country. And he's going to cut federal funding to
34:52
Speaker 1: any locality that doesn't have mandatory stop and frisk. deportation raids.
34:56
Speaker 1: They're going to go into cities and have like, again,
34:58
Speaker 1: armed soldiers and agents of the state knocking on people's doors,
35:02
Speaker 1: raiding workplaces and checking for people's papers to see if
35:05
Speaker 1: they're actual citizens. Like all that stuff has, like is
35:08
Speaker 1: more likely to cause violence than any kind of image.
35:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.
35:11
Speaker 2: And listen, I think obviously people saw the police brutality
35:15
Speaker 2: spill out into the public space and around George Floyd's murder. And,
35:18
Speaker 2: you know, I think a lot of those things go
35:20
Speaker 2: way too far.
35:21
Speaker 4: Yeah.
35:21
Speaker 2: And actually, if you explain to an average voter that,
35:23
Speaker 2: that you won't stop and frisk in every community, they
35:26
Speaker 2: would think that's crazy. Because look, a lot of this
35:28
Speaker 2: is racist. And it's a lot of people who don't
35:30
Speaker 2: live in big cities like New York and LA being like,
35:32
Speaker 2: those people in those cities, read people of color, need
35:36
Speaker 2: different laws to keep the city safe than I do
35:38
Speaker 2: in my community in Ohio or wherever it is. He
35:41
Speaker 2: does have a big advantage on crime and immigration, but
35:45
Speaker 2: that's a bridge too far. Yeah.
35:46
Speaker 1: And I think what you said, like the Biden campaign, using,
35:50
Speaker 1: you know, this controversy to then do a press conference
35:53
Speaker 1: with police officers, like taking it back to January 6th,
35:56
Speaker 1: I think is very smart because I think that really
35:58
Speaker 1: resonates with people.
35:59
Speaker 2: You can't just be like Twitter outreach bait. Yeah.
36:01
Speaker 1: So Biden campaign is also stepping up its outreach to Republicans,
36:05
Speaker 1: especially Nikki Haley voters who aren't yet sure if they'll
36:08
Speaker 1: support Trump in November. The campaign is out with a
36:11
Speaker 1: new digital ad that Biden tweeted with the message, Nikki
36:14
Speaker 1: Haley voters, Donald Trump doesn't want your vote. I want
36:17
Speaker 1: to be clear. There's a place for you in my campaign.
36:20
Speaker 1: And here's the ad.
36:21
Speaker 5: Bird brain. I call a bird brain.
36:23
Speaker 1: He's gone haywire.
36:24
Speaker 4: There aren't that many never Trumpers anymore.
36:26
Speaker 2: How do you bring these Nikki Haley voters back into
36:27
Speaker 2: the tank?
36:28
Speaker 5: I'm not sure we need too many.
36:30
Speaker 1: So seems like a smart move to me. I'm interested
36:32
Speaker 1: to hear what you think. Our pal Jonathan Martin has
36:35
Speaker 1: a piece out in Politico where he argues that Biden
36:38
Speaker 1: himself hasn't done enough outreach to Republican politicians who've said
36:43
Speaker 1: they don't want to support Trump. People like Haley, Chris Christie,
36:46
Speaker 1: Mike Pence, Larry Hogan, et cetera. What do you think's
36:48
Speaker 1: going on there?
36:49
Speaker 2: I think the ad's smart. I think we need to
36:51
Speaker 2: build the biggest, broadest coalition possible, again, from never Trump to,
36:56
Speaker 2: I guess, from maybe Trump to DSA left. And I
36:59
Speaker 2: think criticizing outreach to any one of those communities is stupid.
37:04
Speaker 2: And I think we need to learn from the left
37:06
Speaker 2: and other countries to figure out how to build big coalitions.
37:09
Speaker 2: In terms of the Jonathan Martin piece, it was interesting.
37:12
Speaker 2: It surprised me.
37:14
Speaker 1: Me too.
37:15
Speaker 2: Larry Hogan is the one exception in there because he's
37:17
Speaker 2: running for Senate in Maryland and kind of winning at
37:19
Speaker 2: the moment.
37:20
Speaker 1: Or I was wondering if in Jay Mart's piece, the
37:23
Speaker 1: point was like, maybe he should have reached out to
37:25
Speaker 1: Larry Hogan before he jumped into the Senate race.
37:27
Speaker 2: That's possible. That's possible. But at the end of the day,
37:29
Speaker 2: I mean, These guys have big egos. They need some
37:33
Speaker 2: love and some coaxing to your side. And if you
37:36
Speaker 2: think about it just in terms of psychological terms, I mean,
37:38
Speaker 2: if you're a Chris Christie, your entire life is built
37:42
Speaker 2: around your identity as a Republican elected official, your friends,
37:46
Speaker 2: your donors, your coworkers, right? Like you need to feel
37:49
Speaker 2: some sort of pull and love from the other side
37:52
Speaker 2: that you'll be welcomed. And we're not necessarily very good
37:54
Speaker 2: at that in the democratic party. We love to just
37:57
Speaker 2: shit on people and, And never let them be forgiven
38:00
Speaker 2: for their past political sins.
38:01
Speaker 1: Right. And then we have debates about whether it's like
38:04
Speaker 1: morally right or wrong to do that. Put that aside.
38:07
Speaker 2: It's just about politics.
38:08
Speaker 1: Do we want to win the election or not?
38:10
Speaker 2: I'm not saying yet. Right. I'm not saying that you
38:13
Speaker 2: buy your children biographies of these people and treat them
38:16
Speaker 2: like a mentor. Just like, let's get their votes. Let's
38:18
Speaker 2: get their endorsements.
38:19
Speaker 1: You don't have to nominate them for the Profile in
38:20
Speaker 1: Courage Award.
38:21
Speaker 2: And you know what? Chris Christie is an effective messenger.
38:24
Speaker 2: And he's someone who is very close with Trump and
38:26
Speaker 2: can attack him in personal ways and get in his
38:28
Speaker 2: head and reach a certain subset of voters. So I
38:30
Speaker 2: don't know. Mike Pence, maybe not the best use of time.
38:33
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'd be having Joe Biden call Mike Pence,
38:35
Speaker 2: but I don't know.
38:36
Speaker 1: Who cares? Give him a call. What does it hurt?
38:38
Speaker 2: It's probably the first time his phone would ring in
38:39
Speaker 2: a year and a half.
38:41
Speaker 1: So I was really wondering what's going on there. And
38:43
Speaker 1: there's only two explanations I can think of. One is.
38:47
Speaker 1: It was just too early and like they're going to
38:48
Speaker 1: get to it and they're just starting to start the
38:50
Speaker 1: campaign now. So maybe that was it, even though I
38:52
Speaker 1: think right now is not too early at this stage
38:54
Speaker 1: in April. But then the second one is like, are
38:56
Speaker 1: they worried about progressive blowback if it leaks that he
38:59
Speaker 1: was calling all these people? But again, the campaign put
39:01
Speaker 1: out the ad reaching out for Haley voters. So they
39:04
Speaker 1: can't be too worried about that. And as Jay Mart
39:07
Speaker 1: says in the piece, like Biden of all people, he's
39:10
Speaker 1: still telling fucking stories about, you know, Strom Thurmond. Like
39:14
Speaker 1: he loves reaching out to Republicans. So I'm confused.
39:17
Speaker 2: Yeah. My read on the current Gaza policy is not
39:20
Speaker 2: a ton of concern about lefty blowback from people like me. Listen,
39:24
Speaker 2: I think if you're mad that Joe Biden called Chris Christie,
39:26
Speaker 2: you probably should worry about other things, you know, and I. I,
39:30
Speaker 2: so I think if you're mad about that, like you're,
39:32
Speaker 2: it's politics.
39:33
Speaker 1: Find me a person who was going to vote for
39:34
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and then said, no, no, no, no. He
39:37
Speaker 1: called Mitt Romney and Chris Christie. I'm out. Yeah. So
39:39
Speaker 1: find me that person.
39:40
Speaker 2: I think it would be worth calling Mitt Romney. It'd
39:42
Speaker 2: be worth calling Chris Christie. It'd be worth, I don't know.
39:44
Speaker 2: I guess lobbing a call to Mike, but send him
39:45
Speaker 2: an email, send Pence an email.
39:48
Speaker 1: And again, no one's saying you have to like, Just
39:49
Speaker 1: give them a policy win here.
39:51
Speaker 2: Right. You're not giving them anything. This is not a negotiation.
39:54
Speaker 2: It's a political touch to see if they'll come to
39:57
Speaker 2: your side. Yeah.
39:58
Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Esper, Trump's defense secretary, who said a
40:03
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago that Trump was like, hey, can't
40:06
Speaker 1: we have the military shoot the protesters, the George Floyd protesters?
40:09
Speaker 1: So that's him. Over the weekend, he said, there's no
40:12
Speaker 1: way I'll vote for Trump. But every day Trump does
40:15
Speaker 1: something crazy, the door to voting for Biden opens a
40:18
Speaker 1: little more. And that's the exact kind of person that
40:21
Speaker 1: we need.
40:21
Speaker 2: And that person is in a lonely place, right? Because
40:24
Speaker 2: they're bucking their party. He was run out of town
40:26
Speaker 2: by Trump. Trump criticized him personally. They called him Yesper.
40:29
Speaker 2: They made fun of him. They mocked him when he
40:30
Speaker 2: was defense secretary because he never should have had the job.
40:33
Speaker 2: He's a joke.
40:33
Speaker 1: He's a lobbyist.
40:35
Speaker 2: But yeah, now he needs a little love from the
40:37
Speaker 2: top and maybe he'll do an ad for you.
40:39
Speaker 1: That's all we're looking for here. We're just looking for
40:41
Speaker 1: some ads. All right, before we go, we save the
40:43
Speaker 1: best for last, Tommy. New RNC co-chair slash aspiring pop star,
40:48
Speaker 1: Lara Trump, released a new single on Friday called Anything
40:52
Speaker 1: Is Possible, of which her career trajectory is certainly living proof.
40:57
Speaker 1: Here's a sample of the sure-to-be chart-topping banger.
41:01
Speaker 4: Talking to that little girl Riding on the Pegasus Tell
41:08
Speaker 4: her everything's gonna be all right.
41:15
Speaker 1: Don't think, just jump. You can't give up.
41:21
Speaker 4: Know that anything is possible.
41:31
Speaker 2: What is the Pegasus?
41:32
Speaker 1: Saul made that clip too long.
41:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really long. Immortal winged horse. Okay.
41:38
Speaker 1: I can't ever look.
41:39
Speaker 2: That is.
41:40
Speaker 1: I didn't think I'd have like thirdhand embarrassment for someone
41:43
Speaker 1: like Lara Trump, but I genuinely do.
41:45
Speaker 2: Her don't back down cover. First of all, you can't
41:47
Speaker 2: cover like an iconic Tom Petty song when you have
41:51
Speaker 2: no talent. That's what you should get. That should be
41:53
Speaker 2: the last thing you cover. I sent that other Lara
41:57
Speaker 2: Trump song we just heard. To my friend Ryan, who
41:59
Speaker 2: you know well, lives in LA here. He went to Berkeley,
42:01
Speaker 2: played at a bunch of really big bands. He runs
42:04
Speaker 2: studio sessions for huge artists. He mixes.
42:07
Speaker 1: He's a tremendous musician.
42:09
Speaker 2: He's a musical genius. He does scores, TV, and film now.
42:12
Speaker 2: He was so offended by the production quality.
42:15
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
42:16
Speaker 2: He was like, the auto-tunes. He sounds like a nasal robot.
42:20
Speaker 1: She does sound like a nasal, yeah.
42:21
Speaker 2: The engineering upset him. And I think he was just
42:24
Speaker 2: so mad because he knows if you're rich, pay someone
42:27
Speaker 2: to make you sound good. She didn't even do that?
42:29
Speaker 1: Fucking horrific. So, not to be outdone, the DNC responded
42:35
Speaker 1: with their own self-described summer party anthem about Lara Trump
42:39
Speaker 1: and the RNC called Parties Fallen Down. Let's listen.
42:43
Speaker 2: Lara Trump, what's going on?
42:47
Speaker 4: You're running the RNC, but it's a sad song.
42:51
Speaker 1: Oh, Lara, Lara, what have you done? The party's falling down.
42:57
Speaker 1: It's no longer fun.
42:59
Speaker 4: Oh, Laura, Laura, can't you see? The leadership's sinking.
43:05
Speaker 2: On your feet.
43:07
Speaker 1: Okay. How many times have you listened to each song
43:10
Speaker 1: since Friday? Have you had that on repeat?
43:12
Speaker 2: Laura, I can't do it.
43:13
Speaker 1: More or less than Cowboy Carter.
43:14
Speaker 2: It hurts me. Did the DNC one, was it just AI-generated?
43:18
Speaker 2: I think it was.
43:19
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions about the DNC one,
43:21
Speaker 1: which is like, was it AI-generated? How long did it
43:24
Speaker 1: take to put that together? I hope the answer is
43:26
Speaker 1: 10 minutes.
43:27
Speaker 2: I think it was probably not a lot of time.
43:29
Speaker 2: In which case, fine. Look, everyone knows this. Music is formulaic.
43:35
Speaker 2: And that song will probably be playing at like Ultra
43:37
Speaker 2: in Miami next year or something. But yeah, I kind
43:40
Speaker 2: of like them trolling her. The more time Lara Trump
43:43
Speaker 2: spends in the studio, the less time she's fundraising or whatever.
43:47
Speaker 2: I don't know what she'll be doing. I mean, all
43:49
Speaker 2: the money. What's amazing about this? This really is like
43:52
Speaker 2: banana Republic shit. Trump installs his daughter-in-law at the RNC.
43:56
Speaker 2: She greenlights this fundraising waterfall where all the checks that
44:01
Speaker 2: come into the Trump fundraising committee first go to to
44:04
Speaker 2: his PAC that does legal defense funds.
44:06
Speaker 1: She purges the entire committee.
44:07
Speaker 2: Purging the staff.
44:08
Speaker 1: She's asking people if they're election deniers before they can
44:11
Speaker 1: get hired.
44:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to say the sky is red before
44:14
Speaker 2: you can get a job there.
44:14
Speaker 1: You probably have to say her song is fucking awesome.
44:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. Now, all that said, Trump could still win.
44:19
Speaker 2: It's 50-50. So, I don't know what that says about us.
44:23
Speaker 1: I just had an idea.
44:24
Speaker 2: What?
44:24
Speaker 1: I think that you and our pal Brian Tyler Cohen
44:28
Speaker 1: should do Liberal Tears where you draft... worst political songs
44:34
Speaker 1: oh that's good like the hillary in the house song
44:37
Speaker 1: that's a great song the why would you ever say
44:39
Speaker 1: that well i'm saying that maybe oh i guess it's
44:41
Speaker 1: i guess you guys always do the worst because it's
44:43
Speaker 1: a beautiful song hillary in the house what about the
44:45
Speaker 1: obama girl remember from uh that was tough there's just
44:49
Speaker 1: there's mitt romney singing who let the dogs out i
44:52
Speaker 1: mean there's a.
44:54
Speaker 2: Right Mitt Romney.
44:55
Speaker 1: I think this is a whole episode.
44:56
Speaker 2: Mitt Romney just stumbling into a photo with like four
45:00
Speaker 2: or five younger black males. And the only thing he
45:02
Speaker 2: could think to say was who let the dogs out.
45:04
Speaker 2: It was so horribly, horribly embarrassing. There's a rich history
45:09
Speaker 2: of these. Will.i.am. Oh, yeah.
45:10
Speaker 1: Will.i.am turned our speech into a song.
45:13
Speaker 2: Not ours, pal. Yours.
45:15
Speaker 1: A bunch of celebs were in that. What was it?
45:17
Speaker 5: 2008.
45:18
Speaker 1: It was weird times. Yeah. Better times. Better times, but
45:21
Speaker 1: weird times.
45:22
Speaker 2: The cringe was embraced and it was mainstream and it
45:25
Speaker 2: didn't feel like cringe in the moment. It felt a
45:27
Speaker 2: little more hopeful.
45:28
Speaker 1: This felt pretty cringe. Although our staff was cringing about
45:32
Speaker 1: the parties falling down. I had not listened to that,
45:34
Speaker 1: but I had also not listened to the Larry Trump thing.
45:36
Speaker 1: The parties falling down is like, ha ha, cringe, whatever.
45:39
Speaker 1: The Larry Trump thing is like, I don't think I
45:41
Speaker 1: can listen to it again.
45:42
Speaker 2: Her range is like half an octave.
45:43
Speaker 1: I did it for this pod and I did it
45:45
Speaker 1: once before this pod and I don't think I can
45:46
Speaker 1: ever do it again.
45:46
Speaker 2: She's singing from up within her nose, it sounds like.
45:49
Speaker 2: Just so nasal.
45:50
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46:57
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47:11
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47:14
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47:18
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47:21
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