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Providence Falls 2: An Impossble Promise · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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  Speaker 1: This is a bramble jam podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a homework review podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Megan and I'm a longtime Hallmark fan.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Wendy. I'm a former Hallmark hater.
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  Speaker 2: On today's episode, we are discussing the second installment in
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  Speaker 2: the Providence Falls trilogy and Impossible Promise, which originally aired
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  Speaker 2: on Hallmark on Saturday, August ninth, and is currently available
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  Speaker 2: to stream on Hallmark Plus. Come hang out with us
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  Speaker 1: Hey, we have a Facebook group and lots of people
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  Speaker 1: are talking about this series Providence Falls over there, So
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  Speaker 2: episode coming this month.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we've been saying that for weeks now. No,
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  Speaker 1: but it's guys, it's coming.
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  Speaker 2: It is very early August as we were recording this,
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  Speaker 2: So don't worry, don't worry, it's gonna happen. Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 2: hear a synopsis for Providence follows two detectives, Cora and Liam,
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  Speaker 2: must solve a murder.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, despite Liam's hidden love for Cora, he pushes her
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  Speaker 1: towards Da Finn Walsh, her faded match in order to
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  Speaker 1: change their destinies.
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  Speaker 2: An Impossible Promise was directed by Cheven Divine. Last week
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  Speaker 2: we mentioned that Lucy Guest directed all three of these movies.
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  Speaker 2: That was incorrect. It's unclear which director will take on
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  Speaker 2: the third movie.
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  Speaker 1: I looked, I can't find any information. Joining the cast
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  Speaker 1: as mag and this is Samir Salem. Samar was previously
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  Speaker 1: seen on The Chicken Sisters as Jay. He's also appeared
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  Speaker 1: in this series Hudson and Rex, Untamed and Allegiance.
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  Speaker 2: Full Vio Cisteri plays retired detective Leo. Fullyo has a
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  Speaker 2: deep resume of one hundred and eighty nine acting credits,
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  Speaker 2: including Timeless and Unreal, as well as appearances in Love,
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  Speaker 2: The Thanksgiving Day Parade and Chronicle Mysteries. For Homemark, Nil
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  Speaker 2: Mater makes a surprise to us appearent, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: some people knew he was going to be in this
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  Speaker 2: I did not.
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  Speaker 1: Neither did. When he showed up on the screen, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Hey, what a great surprise, just like seeing
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  Speaker 1: him as like that DJ in.
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  Speaker 2: That DJ Ginger Jeff, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Nile plays Bail from the Bad Place. He's a countdown
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  Speaker 1: to Christmas regular as you know the past several years,
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  Speaker 1: and we're hoping to see him in the lineup again
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  Speaker 1: this year.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to take a quick break and we'll
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  Speaker 2: come right back with our first impressions. Hey, Wendy, what
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  Speaker 2: was your first impression of Providence falls to an impossible promise?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Finn went from golden retriever to full on wolf
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  Speaker 1: the second he picked up that pole. Q.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, I mean shepherd energy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I did send you like photos
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  Speaker 1: as I was like watching it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you did, which I have questions about when we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to them.
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  Speaker 1: Questions about my photos are that scene.
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  Speaker 2: It's more of a general question.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, what was your first impression? The first impression
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  Speaker 1: is say it isn't so susette, oh so good and
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  Speaker 1: so bad at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: So my question to you is, and it occurred to
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  Speaker 2: me to ask this as you were sending me these photos,
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  Speaker 2: because to me, it doesn't seem like there is a
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  Speaker 2: question Team Liam or team Finn.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, I'm team Finn's team Finn. But we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk. We're gonna really talk about it. I have
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  Speaker 1: like thought about this movie. I have analyzed this movie.
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  Speaker 1: I have like written down my thoughts and tried to
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  Speaker 1: like figure things out about this movie.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I acted like I was really offended. I actually,
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  Speaker 2: in this case don't think there currently is a wrong answer.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're doing a really nice job. I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: this in our first review of like making it hard
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  Speaker 2: for the viewer to choose a team.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting. That's an interesting thought.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, And I just want to say that I did
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  Speaker 2: read the first book. I didn't finish the second book.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't have time. I planned too because I'm curious,
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully by the time we do our third review,
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  Speaker 2: I will have read both of those. But I want
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  Speaker 2: to say that in the second book, the number of
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  Speaker 2: times Liam calls Finn a total bore is really interesting,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like it's a very different edit that
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  Speaker 2: he's getting in the movies. So just a different view.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have lots of thoughts. I have lots of thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: But can we first get into our likes?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Mentioned up top Nil Maters casting as Bail such a
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  Speaker 1: fun surprise, great love as the bad guy. I loved
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  Speaker 1: him as a bad guy. His presence, it just elevates
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  Speaker 1: the stakes for me. It's fun to see like a
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  Speaker 1: recognizable Hallmark face. Not that like Evan Rodrick isn't a
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  Speaker 1: recognizable Hallmark face. He is, but I mean Nile Mater
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  Speaker 1: is like Hallmark heavyweight, right, So it was like fun
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  Speaker 1: to see him just like pop up in this role
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  Speaker 1: as a bad guy.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. I'm hoping that brings some more eyes
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  Speaker 2: to this trilogy because the viewer numbers came out for
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  Speaker 2: this the first movie, and they were not great at all.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't really know what's going on. I don't
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  Speaker 2: you and I talked about it a little bit, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like a it's a little
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  Speaker 2: too different from what viewers are expecting from Hallmark and
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  Speaker 2: so therefore they just didn't tune in or a trilogy,
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  Speaker 2: a true trilogy is really outside of what Hallmark does.
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  Speaker 2: Never mind the tone of the movies, because some people
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  Speaker 2: are like, is it a romance? Is it a mystery?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like porquet Nolos does, like why can.
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  Speaker 1: I be both? Right?
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  Speaker 2: But also the true trilogy, not like A Heart's around
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  Speaker 2: the Table where you have a cast to the dis
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  Speaker 2: centered around each other, but a one follows the next
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  Speaker 2: is very different. So all of this to say I
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  Speaker 2: should have put this in my wishes. I just thought
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  Speaker 2: of it now, though, I do hope this brings more
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  Speaker 2: viewers to the table. Like nil Materer is here, y'all
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  Speaker 2: jump in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm kind of surprised by the reactions I saw
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  Speaker 1: to the movie for the first movie, and also surprised
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  Speaker 1: by the numbers being so low. Yeah. I think if
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  Speaker 1: you're not watching this, I think you're missing out. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a really good mini series. I think so too.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's one hundred percent worth a watch on Hamewark.
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  Speaker 2: If you watched all four unwrapping Christmas movies during count
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  Speaker 2: under Christmas. Oh, I command you to watch this trilogy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. Look, they're not paying us to say
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  Speaker 1: this either. Guys, like, we truly.
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  Speaker 2: Like this genuinely? Yeah, yeah, yeah, back to our likes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes and piggybacking off your like of Nihil Mator as bail.
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  Speaker 2: I loved the twist we get of Susette being in
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  Speaker 2: cahoots oh with the guy from the Bad Place. Those
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  Speaker 2: are my words, not theirs. Now we really don't know
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  Speaker 2: her backstory. We don't know what's going on there.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Is she in the same situation that Liam is. We
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  Speaker 2: don't know which I loved. I want to I want
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  Speaker 2: a tangent here real quick. I listened to the Deck,
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  Speaker 2: the Hallmark review of the first movie because I was
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  Speaker 2: really afraid of what they were gonna say about it,
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  Speaker 2: because I listened to parts of their preview show where
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  Speaker 2: they're like, we don't get it, we don't understand, and
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  Speaker 2: I was really hoping to be vindicated when they watched it,
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  Speaker 2: and overall they did like it. But do you remember
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  Speaker 2: in the first movie, Susette makes a lassie reference. She
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  Speaker 2: says something about like to say people Tommy in the well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't uh. I do vaguely remember that, so I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really bump on it, but they did, and they're like,
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  Speaker 2: that's such a weird, outdated reference. Well that point of
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  Speaker 2: me hearing them say that, I had already seen movie too,
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  Speaker 2: and I knew what we were getting from Susette, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, that lassie comment combined
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  Speaker 2: with this little tidbit of information we have about Susette
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  Speaker 2: tells me that perhaps Susette is not of this time.
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  Speaker 1: M oh interesting because she made such an outdated reference
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  Speaker 1: about Lassie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, look, I make a Lassie reference honestly, quite regularly.
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  Speaker 1: You do. I don't think I've ever heard it before.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me you like, it's just like to my dogs,
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  Speaker 2: Like if they're trying to tell me something like, I
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  Speaker 2: will say, like this Timmy and the well, h I
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  Speaker 2: watched LASTI as a child.
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  Speaker 1: I I did.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be in reruns nine it's original airing, but someone
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  Speaker 2: Susette and Kora's age wouldn't have and the deck the
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  Speaker 2: Hallmark guys did go so far as to check to
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  Speaker 2: see if it is actively streaming anywhere and it is not.
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  Speaker 1: So wow, uh, I just think that may be a
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  Speaker 1: clue there. Oh, I mean, I love that kind of intel.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that to my attention. The twist
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  Speaker 1: at the end with Susette is absolutely brutal, but also
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  Speaker 1: so brilliant. And we don't see that kind of deep
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  Speaker 1: betrayal like between two close female friends on Hallmark that often,
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  Speaker 1: if ever, for sure, So that's why it came as
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  Speaker 1: such a blind side to me. Now, thinking back, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, okay, okay, Like now maybe the pieces are
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  Speaker 1: kind of falling into place a little bit right of
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  Speaker 1: why she was asking so many questions and so on
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  Speaker 1: and so forth. Anyway, man, I just thought it was
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  Speaker 1: juicy and heartbreaking all in the right ways. I loved it, great,
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  Speaker 1: great twist at the end. Well, to me, it adds
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  Speaker 1: so many more layers because we saw what I thought
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  Speaker 1: was Suzette and Finn having a little bit of flirtation,
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  Speaker 1: maybe feeling each other a little bit in the huh.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, who's very hardcore Teine Liam, I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's do that. That absolves everybody, right, Like everybody's happy.
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  Speaker 1: This is the great solution.
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  Speaker 2: But then when you get to that final scene, you think, okay,
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  Speaker 2: how real was that on Susette's end?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, who knows? God that scene when he
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  Speaker 1: like is wrapping her hand and then he kisses it
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm sorry, I don't know why to
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  Speaker 1: see that, I was like, ha, looks eccuss me let
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  Speaker 1: me cool down here for a second. Like it was
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  Speaker 1: so nuanced. But I just loved it so much, so
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  Speaker 1: so much.
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  Speaker 2: Who needs a zipper when you have a little hand Kiss.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: Yes we are Zipper. We're referring to last week's movie. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was hot. Yes, so one thing I really liked,
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  Speaker 1: and I have a big list of likes. Here's my
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  Speaker 1: next one. I thought the final act of this movie
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  Speaker 1: really delivered. I'm gonna say here is gonna kind of
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: sound like a wish and I will talk about it
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  Speaker 1: in my wishes. But like, overall, the movie is a
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  Speaker 1: slow build, but this last fifteen minutes of this movie
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  Speaker 1: like finally kicked into high gear and I just like
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  Speaker 1: couldn't tear my eyes away from the TV. It was
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  Speaker 1: like reveal after reveal after reveal. I'm I really liked it.
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  Speaker 1: The the tension when Cora is looking through the room
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  Speaker 1: at Magnus's house and sees the money and she almost
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  Speaker 1: gets caught, and then he pulls the gun out on
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  Speaker 1: her and then they have their whole like she ends
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  Speaker 1: up in the water and it's saved, and then Susette's
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  Speaker 1: betrayal and then oh, just all of it was so good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really great. And I to contrast that with
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  Speaker 2: like the reveal in the first movie where she catches
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: Dominic's stepdad. I can't even remember his name, and he
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  Speaker 2: like takes off running in the moment that I found
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  Speaker 2: so ridiculous. This is such the antithesis of that. This
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  Speaker 2: really delivered. That scene in Magnus's house was like true tension.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Can I talk This movie I thought was very funny.
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  Speaker 2: Can I share some of my favorite lines?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Suzette says, I'm chronically open minded? Made me laugh really
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  Speaker 2: hard when Aggon is revealed to be an angel. To Suette,
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  Speaker 2: She's like, I don't see any wings. He says they're metaphorical.
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  Speaker 1: Great, hilarious. Uh huh.
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  Speaker 2: Liam at one point says trust is kind of built
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  Speaker 2: into the whole celestial concept. Cora says, I guess they
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  Speaker 2: did change math. Made me laugh because.
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  Speaker 1: That was hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, who tries to look at their children's math and
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  Speaker 2: it's like a completely different language. Also, you really are
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: just an annoyingly decent person, aren't you? Liam? To Finn,
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  Speaker 2: there were many more, but these are just a few
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  Speaker 2: that I bumped on. I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: humor built into a movie that is definitely not a comedy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you already know. I mean it's obvious
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  Speaker 1: I'm team Finn and granted the scene where Liam is
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  Speaker 1: walking out of the water with Cora after he saves
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  Speaker 1: her from drowning and they kiss undeniably romantic. It was great.
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  Speaker 1: It was a great, great, great scene. But it's Evan
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  Speaker 1: Roderick's reaction the heartbreak as Finn watches from a distance
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  Speaker 1: made me feel something. It was in that moment where
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, now this is why I'm team Finn.
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  Speaker 1: It was just so good. It was so good. It
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  Speaker 1: was so dramatic too in the music, which I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about in a second, but like, ah, I just
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  Speaker 1: thought it was so great.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I got a team Liam, you just for fun.
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  Speaker 2: I think that they did a really nice job building
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  Speaker 2: the tension between Liam and Cora throughout this movie, and
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  Speaker 2: I love that it starts with right up top. Cora
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  Speaker 2: has been rejected, so to speak, by Liam, and she's
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  Speaker 2: kind of being cool to him, but she's trying to
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  Speaker 2: be like, it's fine, We're good. Then they share a
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  Speaker 2: hug that is like not a friendly coworker hug. It's
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  Speaker 2: very close. It lasts a long time, and then we
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  Speaker 2: close on this kiss after being saved. They're telling it
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  Speaker 2: to me, Okay, okay, are we are? We are we
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  Speaker 2: duking it out over a team Finn team No, because
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  Speaker 2: as said, I don't think there's a wrong answer here.
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  Speaker 2: In some fandoms, Hello the summer I turned pretty I
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: do think there are some wrong answers. Anyway, Do you
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  Speaker 2: have more likes? I do two more again? Finn as
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  Speaker 2: a pool shark.
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  Speaker 1: It was for me. I have said it for many years.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Evan Roderick is a baby Tyler Hines. I think they
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: have a very similar look, the way they move, their
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  Speaker 1: acting styles are very similar. I think they should play
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: brothers in a movie. But when he comes out and
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  Speaker 1: he's wearing a bead and he's drinking a beer, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And the way the ladies react to him.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I thought it was so good. Now did
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  Speaker 1: I think like I thought like the pool plane and
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: stuff was a little bit hokey, just because I think
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: I've seen Dylan McKay do it better on Beverly Hills
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  Speaker 1: nine O two one oh, yes, where my gen xers at.
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  Speaker 1: But I just thought it was such a great scene,
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  Speaker 1: such a great scene, totally. I loved it. My final
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  Speaker 1: like is agon. I just love him so much. I
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  Speaker 1: love that he's like invested in his soap opera story
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  Speaker 1: every single day. He gives great one liners. You mentioned
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  Speaker 1: when earlier. I he feels like he's part of the
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  Speaker 1: audience watching it, and I just love it, love him.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk wishes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I have a thought here. Okay, after the first episode,
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot of feedback and I want to
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: read two comments really quickly. There was a lot of feedback,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: but these two stood out to me and I want
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: to talk about this concept. The first was left on
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: our YouTube channel and by Catherine, who says, love the
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  Speaker 2: first movie in this series. I don't appreciate the flashbacks,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: hard to understand the present day connection. Am I missing
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the point? Looking forward to the next show to understand
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: the connection and the rules the angels were putting out
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: there for the redemption. A follow up comment and left
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  Speaker 2: on Facebook by Jane, who says love the movie, but
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  Speaker 2: felt the transition between time periods could have been handled
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  Speaker 2: less abruptly, perhaps using a graphic of some kind to
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  Speaker 2: warn the viewer that the scene was going to shift
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  Speaker 2: back and forth between eighteen forty four and the present.
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  Speaker 2: So looking forward to an impossible promise and the appearance
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: of Nile Mater.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So Genie Oh Jeane's a super Nile fan. Yes, she's
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: in a Facebook group.
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  Speaker 2: First, my question is did you have trouble with the
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  Speaker 2: transitions in the first movie as well? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Not the transitions? And I have thought a lot about this,
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  Speaker 1: like why don't I like this period piece parts of it?
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  Speaker 2: It's not the.
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  Speaker 1: Transitions to me, I under I want, for one, personally,
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  Speaker 1: feel like I understand why they need to revisit those
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: parts because they need to show us, like what happened
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  Speaker 1: there to understand like it repeating itself in the in
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  Speaker 1: present day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had to understand Liam and Cora's backstory and
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  Speaker 2: why it matters.
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  Speaker 1: To him, right right, But no, the transition part of
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  Speaker 1: it didn't. Didn't bother me.
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  Speaker 2: I wondered a lot of the flashback takes place in
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  Speaker 2: this movie in the form of egg on watching the footage,
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  Speaker 2: and so I'm curious for those of you that struggled
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  Speaker 2: with the time jumps, because I heard this reflected in
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: a number of comments. I didn't find it hard to follow.
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  Speaker 2: To me, it's so obvious when they're in a different
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: time corus hair is so much longer, their dressed very differently,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Like it's just a couple seconds of they're talking with.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they all have exactly.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: But I wondered, for people that didn't love the jump
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: back and forth, was it better watching it through egg
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: On's eyes, because it seems like that was more prevalent
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: in this movie than the first time. Yeah, it was
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: more obvious. Yes, movie firing up a VHS. So let
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: us know, girls gone homework at gmail dot com. Let
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: me share my first big wish. Yeah, I the Pacine
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: feel off.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Here and let me let me explain. I know it's
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a miniseries and I know we're building an arc, right
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know all the Murvy movie terminology. I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: should at this point, but I don't. But to me,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, we're building an arc. But Movie one
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and two thirds of movie two were kind of slow
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to me. And I know I'm not alone because I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: have seen some criticism out there that other people thought
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it was a little bit slow too. And for me personally,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I don't need I don't need like big moments. I
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: don't need explosions or like chase scenes or anything like that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: But like the plot for me didn't start snapping together
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: until the very end, when like the puzzle pieces were
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: starting to get pieced together in this movie too. I
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: fear that the slow pace is maybe a.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Reason why viewers have lost.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe like tap out before, but they like they're not
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: even watching it, like they're not even getting a chance to. Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: But I saw a lot of like commentary that like,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: oh I tried to watch the first half of the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: movie and it was like not for me, or it
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: was slow and I didn't watch it. So you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, just stick with it. Just stick with it,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: because the end of movie two has incredible emotional payoff.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So question, do you think that there's an audience on
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Homework who is frustrated by the portrayal of this silly
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: goofy heaven situation. I think I've seen it, Yeah, commented
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: on time and time again. Yeah, I do.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that's a turn off.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I mean I talked about it in movie one, like
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, what what is this? Like, I'm confused,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: how does this work? I don't like how it looks
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Maybe, but I mean we've accepted
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: way weirder stuff with other Homework movies. To finish the spot.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I do wish they would have moved maybe like the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: action and their revelations earlier into movie too, because now
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're entering the finale movie and it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be like everything is gonna be crammed in. Yes,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I hear you, That's what I'm worried about.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I would like to kind of repeat one of my
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: wishes elaborate on it from the first movie. I talked
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: about how I didn't really understand how if something is
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: someone's destiny, why they need someone to step in and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: make it happen. To me, it seems like the whole
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: idea of destiny is that it's going to happen regardless.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Perhaps I just don't understand. This would be another great
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: way for someone who understands the concept of destiny to
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: drop us an email, Girls Gone Hallmark at gmail dot com,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: because Eggon and Samil are really stressed out. Eggon more
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: than some mail that history is repeating itself. He's like,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I don't understand this. It seems so strange, she says,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And my notes are like in all caps. Is it
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: like you're worried about their destiny? Maybe you're wrong about
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: what their destiny is? Like, Yeah, exactly, I understand.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We get this.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Reveal at the end that Korra, it's less about her
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: falling in love and I'm going to talk about they
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: talk about the person she needs by her side in
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: a minute later on, but they're so set on her
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: getting this second chances situation seen through to fruition. Maybe
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: that isn't her destiny if it never ever happens. We
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: see the promise of it, the impossible promise, if you will.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: But perhaps the right thing isn't always the destiny. Maybe
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that's the lesson here.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: That maybe that is the lesson. You're right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: But in the book they talk a little bit about
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: free will, and I didn't I haven't read the entire
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: second book, but they talk about like we can't eliminate
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: his free will, but they talk about how Liam interrupted
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: her destiny by sneaking into her window. Okay, then maybe
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: he don't. I don't understand the concept of destiny, like
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: do we have free will or do we have destiny?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I don't understand, Like here's your ideal outcome, but humans
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and their pesky free will break in and mess it
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: up in every single lifetime. And agon's like in every lifetime.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: She died too young and she wasn't able like we
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: keep trying to reboot her, basically reincarnate her, and in
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: every lifetime she dies young and she's not able to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: complete her destiny.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe we learn a lesson here, maybe she's not
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: supposed to do that. Yeah, exactly, do.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: You have any more wishes for this? Oh?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: My gosh, yes I do.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it, Yes I do.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Well this, I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: rooting for in terms of fin Enlum, because we've been
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: told Finn is Corus true love, but we haven't been
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: told why until we get obviously to the very end
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of the movie that like, for her to fulfill her
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: destiny with second chances, she needs him by her side,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: right mm hmm. Yes, he is a good guy, but
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: there is like no spark, no fire between them at all.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think, like, even though I'm rooting for him,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like there is like no chemistry between these two.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was gonna be my question. You're rooting
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: for him because you like him, not because you see
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that day together.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, fair, fair enough. But then on the flip side
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that we have Liam who's like framed as this bad
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: boy but in present day he's also a good guy,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like he's kind, thoughtful, self sacrificing, and clearly Kora has
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: more chemistry with him in her dreams and in flashbacks
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and even in present day. So I'm just confused, like
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: this whole love triangle, like it's it's confusing to me.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Well, so I had was going to discuss this of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: my digit see that, but I it's important here. Samiel
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: says she can only accomplish second chances. We know that,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like it's bigger than her finding her true love. They
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: want her to see second chances through to fruition, like
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it's gonna have far reaching positive effects, right, that's what
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: we're going for here, And she says she can only
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: accomplish secondhand chances with someone truly good on her side.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: She doesn't say she can only accomplish second chances with
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Finn by her side. Interesting, so to me, in my brain,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like that angels have bumped on. Finn is
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: a good guy objectively, a little complicated, but he's a
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: good guy. So he must be her destiny because he
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: keeps running into her in every lifetime he's there, they're
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: engaged in certain lifetimes. They just never see it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Through.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: My question is kind of going back to the destiny
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: of it all. Like you said, Liam is in present
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: day a good guy. Are we suggesting that there's no
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: redemption for him? He's had a bad guy past. He
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: wasn't a great guy one hundred and fifty years ago.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Where circumstances put him in the position where they don't
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: discuss this in the movies, but in the first book,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: like he's stealing because he's trying to feed his brother's family,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: they have children, He's trying to put food on the table.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: There are circumstances that have put him in this position.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: He's not necessarily motivated by badness. So is there room
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: for Liam's redemption?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah? See, that's what I think these movies might be
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: missing a little bit is context in terms of understanding
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Liam and Finn. He's just supposed to be the bad
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: guy because he stole her away from Finn back in
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. I mean, that's all we That's all
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: we know, right, we don't know anything else, At least
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I don't remember them touching that in movie one about
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: like bad things.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: He did, they talk about his stealing. That's it as
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: far as I can tell.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So like that gets a little murky to me.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Moving on, I have some more wishes. At the end
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: of this movie, we learn, and we've talked about it
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that Cora is destined to change the world through her
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: charity work, right, but they haven't. It's too vague for me.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Like I hope in movie three, like they talk more
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: about it, because like I don't I care more about
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: like if she's gonna kiss Finn or Liam, yeah for sure,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: versus what she's going to do to change the world,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Like give me some steaks, like let me know, like, oh,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: into show me a peek into the future of what
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: she changed in the world, And if we don't get
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: these two together, like that is not going to happen,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you know, give.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Me Eliza Hamilton. I put myself back in the narrative.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, here's how I spent the next fifty years of
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: my life exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking exactly,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yes says yes. Two more wishes. One, why did Liam
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: spill everything to Susette so easily? I was like, Bro,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you're like nobody's gonna believe you. People are gonna think
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you are unwell if you're like the Angels brought me here,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm here to fix her destiny and whatever, Like
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: why is he telling her all of this?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: That's a great question. I kind of loved that finally
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: we have someone who's in on it. He finally has
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: someone who knows what's going on, agree and can kind
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of almost be an accomplice in a situation. I do
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: want to say when Eggon like quantum Leap snaps out
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: of the scene and Suste's like, what the heck man?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I loved it. It was just giving not Sam, but
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: whoever his invisible partner with the doot doote machine.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I can't think of who it is.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Anyway, it was giving quantum Leap vibes to me.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: That is so funny. My final wish was, as I'm
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: taking notes here, I'm watching very closely because the whole
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: mystery part of it is kind of like secondary to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: this story, right. But everyone is throwing up red flags.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Boy the shady Leo's sketchy chorus, Dad's hiding something. I
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: think they're all corrupt. Maybe I don't know, or maybe
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: it's like is it too obvious? I don't know. I
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: have absolutely no idea who the murderer is.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: None whatsoever.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think these people all seem it
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: seems a little obvious to me. But like I I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: hope it's not like I hope it's not Maddie Finocchio
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: as the bad guy here. No, can't be. But I
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: don't know's I mean? Obviously, when Liam gets the gets
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the hit on Meredith being out at that cabin and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Boyd was going to arrange like a somebody to take
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: him up there, and then does it, and then they
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: get there, it's gone nice, nice, you know it is Boyd.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Leo gives real bad vibes too. They
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: all do. They're all bad, dirty cops. Apparently.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: That's another book movie difference. In the book, he has
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a car. It's like a beater. It's not a nice car,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and he's annoyed by it. But he has a car.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Got it. That's all I have for wishes, it's time
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: for did you see that? I don't have any true
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: digit see that's I just have like little moments of
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: things that I liked.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hear him.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: We talked about at the top of the episode the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: flashbacks for Ireland. Now, I like the flashbacks in this movie,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: especially at the very end, when they're inner cutting the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: scenes of like her past life falling to her death
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and present day Korra being rescued from the water. I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: thought that was beautifully done. I thought it was really
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: really good, and I thought it gave a lot of
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: weight to Liam's rescue of her, you know, because he
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: couldn't rescue her in the first yeah, and in their
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: first life together, but here he does. I thought that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: was a really good When they're looking at the necklace
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: moment in the evidence room, like, first of all, like
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: why are you touching evidence? Like right? And she even
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: says like I shouldn't be touching this stuff. I was like,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: what is happening? You guys are in a workplace and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: then you have this like weirdly charged sexual moment. I'm like, no,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: this is all bad, Like this is stop this stop
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: stop stop stop it. I want to just talk about
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: nil Mater again. I just love him as this like
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: charming yet sinister kind of character. I just love it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: He gives like this smirk when he's like confronted about
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: he knows exactly what he's doing here. I just loved
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: all of that. Love love lovelet And finally they had
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: some really good contemporary music in this episode. At the end,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: they used this song Unsteady during that water rescue scene.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I thought that was really good. I felt it was
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It was giving like c W, you know what I mean,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: like in the best in the best way, like the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: c W kind of shows that were so dramatic, totally
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: music back in the days when it was so good
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: like that. They also used the song You Are the
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Reason by Calum Scott. I just loved it, loved it,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: loved it, loved it. Are my did you see? That's
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that's great? I just have one thing to add. Yes,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a maybe true. Did you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: see that moment Samil and egg On are getting words
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: smells specifically, like the higher ups are aware they're Gabriel.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Gabriel. Uh they refer to Gabriel as they
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: is Gabriel non binary?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Is this sly?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Is this like oh sneaking in some mild representation?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I love that?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Didn't catch that the the the rep It's like a
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: whiff of representation, but I have grabbed onto it now.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: My other thought was, perhaps Gabriel is simply the name
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: for this department and not the actual person. Oh, because
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: they don't show them. They just said like they've caught on,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: they're aware, and they showed the door with Gabriel on it.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: But that was my thoughts.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I like it. Well, Hey, what did you rate an
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: impossible promise? I'm sticking with four stars. I give it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: four stars in the last movie, it's four stars in
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: this movie. I'm hoping movie three sticks the landing and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: we get up there. But yeah, it's I think it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a really good, good mini series.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I gave it four and a half stars. Look at you.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: If you're listening to this episode and you are not
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: watching the movies, please do. I highly encourage you to.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I think it pays off. I think it's worth it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's I said it in the last episode.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be the best thing we
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: see on Hallmark this year outside of Christmas, and I
• 33:53
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