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Ep. 559: What Would Grant Woods Do? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
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  Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on
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  Speaker 1: the show, we are joined by Dr Grant Woods of
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  Speaker 1: Growing Dear TV to discuss exactly how he'd handle some
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  Speaker 1: of the most challenging deer hunting and management scenarios in
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  Speaker 1: the white tail Woods. All right, welcome to the Wired
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  Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Life and
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  Speaker 1: to Dan the show. We're kicking off a new month
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  Speaker 1: long series. Now. I hope you guys enjoyed shooting month
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  Speaker 1: back in July. I certainly did. Was what I needed.
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  Speaker 1: This year is all about shooting for me. I'm feeling
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  Speaker 1: good about it. These folks helped me out, and uh
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  Speaker 1: I am now and hopefully you are now ready to
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  Speaker 1: fully turn our attention to hunting, because guess what hunting
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  Speaker 1: season is just about here? I mean, jeez, guys, I
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  Speaker 1: mean for some of you, just a matter of weeks
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  Speaker 1: probably right. There's some August openers, some early September openers.
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  Speaker 1: I think my first hunt of the year is going
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  Speaker 1: to be somewhere on mid September. But man, it's coming
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  Speaker 1: up fast, and uh, I'm excited. So from here on
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  Speaker 1: out through the rest of the fall, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a focused on chatting with the best deer hunters in
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  Speaker 1: the world to get you and me and all the
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  Speaker 1: rest of us ready for our best season yet. It's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be some really good stuff and to get things going,
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  Speaker 1: my thought was to do a whole month of our
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  Speaker 1: what would you do episodes. We've done these over the
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  Speaker 1: past couple of years. Uh so hopefully you're familiar, but
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  Speaker 1: if you're not. The basic gist of it is this,
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  Speaker 1: I get some great hunter on the line, and then
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  Speaker 1: I present them with a bunch of different, very scific,
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  Speaker 1: unique hunting scenarios. I'll tell basically a story like it's
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  Speaker 1: this day, it's this place, it's this kind of thing,
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  Speaker 1: and here's what's going on, and then I asked them
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  Speaker 1: to explain what they would do in that circumstance, why
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  Speaker 1: they would do it, how they would pull it off.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what I found is this has ended
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  Speaker 1: up being one of the best ways to get new
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  Speaker 1: ideas and a new perspective from these really good deer hunters.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a lot of fun too, So I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: stoked to do a full month of them. We've got
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  Speaker 1: a really, really good lineup schedule for you here and
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  Speaker 1: we're kicking it off today with a true legend. Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Grant Woods is one of the best in the world.
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  Speaker 1: He's a long time wildlife biologist, he's a thought leader
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  Speaker 1: in the deer management world, and he's the founder and
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  Speaker 1: host of Growing Dear TV, which is you know, for jeez,
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  Speaker 1: well over a decade now, when it's been one of
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  Speaker 1: the best and most popular online hunting series that there is.
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  Speaker 1: He hunts and manages a great, big property down in
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  Speaker 1: southern Missouri, but he's also traveled and consulted and hunted
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  Speaker 1: all over the country. So he's just this wide kind
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  Speaker 1: of wealth of experience and expertise, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: the perfect person to help us kind of shift our
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  Speaker 1: preparations into the season into overdrive. So that's the plan
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  Speaker 1: for today. That's the podcast we've got. I just finished
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  Speaker 1: my podcast with Grant, just finished chatting with him, and
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you it lives up to the bailing.
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  Speaker 1: It really was a good one. So I'm excited for
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  Speaker 1: you guys to hear the rest of this. But I
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  Speaker 1: do want to give you a quick update some housekeeping here.
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  Speaker 1: If you're listening to this on the day that this
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  Speaker 1: episode drops, which is Thursday, August four two, I gotta
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  Speaker 1: give your heads up that today is the last day
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  Speaker 1: of our season openers sale for meat Eater and our
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  Speaker 1: family brands. Right as you guys know Why're Hunt is
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  Speaker 1: part of the Meat Eater network, and this is basically
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  Speaker 1: our our biggest sale the entire year. Tay's the last
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  Speaker 1: day over at first Light. They got off almost the
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  Speaker 1: entire inventory. It's off a bunch of our favorites from
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  Speaker 1: FHF in Phelps game calls up to fift off, and
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  Speaker 1: then there's a bunch of logo wear and some knife
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  Speaker 1: bundles and different things on sale at our Meat Eater
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  Speaker 1: store where we stock all sorts of different hunting gear
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  Speaker 1: now too. So it's a lot to keep straight, I realized.
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  Speaker 1: So to make things more simple, we actually just started
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  Speaker 1: a new kind of curated gear page for me. And
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  Speaker 1: I know I mentioned last month I was gonna do
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  Speaker 1: some Wired Hunt monthly gear picks and I told you
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  Speaker 1: to go over to the Wired Dunt website. Well we
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  Speaker 1: kind of shifted things a little bit. We've actually got
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  Speaker 1: a new page now where I'm gonna be putting some
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite items for each phase of the year,
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  Speaker 1: and you can see those recommendations right now. And so
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  Speaker 1: right now, a bunch of my selections for like the
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  Speaker 1: late summer scouting period and the early season hunting period.
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  Speaker 1: A bunch of that stuff's on sale today August four.
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  Speaker 1: So what you gotta do if you're interested in checking
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  Speaker 1: out a few of these things, You go to store
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  Speaker 1: dot the meat Eater dot com, so that store Dot
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  Speaker 1: the meat Eater dot com slash mark, and there you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see stuff like my favorite, uh the gear I'm
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  Speaker 1: wearing for early season hunting from first let you'll see
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  Speaker 1: the hoodie I wear, You'll see the pants I wear,
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  Speaker 1: You'll see the face covering I wear. I also included
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  Speaker 1: this new cooler I've been using all summer, my new
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  Speaker 1: favorite cooler I recommended on there, and my top recommendation
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  Speaker 1: for super cheap, budget friendly binoculars. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: get a pretty decent set of glass for not a
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  Speaker 1: ton of money, there's a recommendation in there for you
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  Speaker 1: to So go to store dot the meat Eater dot
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  Speaker 1: com slash mark to see my recommendations. If you're listening
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  Speaker 1: on the fourth, you can still get those sale prices.
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  Speaker 1: If not, still check out those recommendations if you're in
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  Speaker 1: the market for anything like that. Uh that's my little
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  Speaker 1: spiel and my update. And with that out of the way,
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  Speaker 1: it's time to get to our first episode of What
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  Speaker 1: Would You Do Month with the one and only doctor
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  Speaker 1: Grant Woods. Let's go all right back with me on
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  Speaker 1: the show is Mr Grant Woods. Grant, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for being here. Hey, mark us for having me.
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  Speaker 1: It's been it's been too long. I think it's been
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years since we've had you on the show.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, every time we chat though, it's it's one
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  Speaker 1: of the best ever. So I'm glad we're getting back together. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I enjoy our visits also, and this is
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  Speaker 1: kind of a unique one. I mean we've talked in
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  Speaker 1: the past on Whyed Hunt about general land management things.
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  Speaker 1: I know we did a podcast with the Druries a
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  Speaker 1: few years ago were wedove into stuff with e h
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  Speaker 1: D and diseases and drought and stuff. But today I
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  Speaker 1: kind of want to run you through the gauntlet if
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  Speaker 1: you're if you're willing to go there with me, Grant,
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  Speaker 1: I want to I want to pitch a whole bunch
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  Speaker 1: of hypothetical hunting scenarios at you and and then just
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  Speaker 1: see how you would handle them, what you would do,
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  Speaker 1: what your thought process would be, what kinds of things
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  Speaker 1: you would be thinking about, um, anything along those lines.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna kind of go from land management stuff all
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  Speaker 1: the way through early season, mid season, late season, and
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  Speaker 1: kind of cover whole swath of different possible circumstances a
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  Speaker 1: hunter might find themselves. And so are you Are you
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  Speaker 1: game to go on that journey? Yeah? Yeah, that sounds fun.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is sounds awesome. Yeah, it actually is
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  Speaker 1: pretty fun. I enjoy doing this. So I I say,
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  Speaker 1: rather than beating around the bush, we should just jump
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  Speaker 1: right into my first one, which is a slightly it's
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be a concerning, depressing thing to think about,
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  Speaker 1: So forgive me to start here, Grant, But I want
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  Speaker 1: you to imagine this scenario. Imagine for some reason you
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  Speaker 1: had to sell the proving grounds, like right now, in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the summer, last minute, or you wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do it for for whatever reason. But the proving grounds,
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  Speaker 1: your home turf, your home farm you worked so hard
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  Speaker 1: on over the years, is now gone. And it's let's
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  Speaker 1: say August fifteen, let's le's hypothetically imagined. And now you
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  Speaker 1: have just picked up a new property to hunt this year.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just a lease. It's a smaller property. And
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  Speaker 1: this just you know, for this year, for the intro,
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  Speaker 1: we're just going to pick up a lease to get
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  Speaker 1: me through this year. We'll see what happens after that.
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  Speaker 1: And on this lease you are allowed to do some
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  Speaker 1: minor habitat improvements. But there's a farmer on the property
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  Speaker 1: as well, and he just doesn't want you to mess
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  Speaker 1: with his fields. He doesn't want to mess with his
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  Speaker 1: crop fields. Everything else is fair game. Though you can
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  Speaker 1: mess with the timber a little bit. You can mess
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  Speaker 1: with any kind of openings. But here's the rub. You
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  Speaker 1: only have two available weekends in the summer to make
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  Speaker 1: whatever changes you want. So you have two weekends of
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  Speaker 1: time to do something fast to get ready for this
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  Speaker 1: first hunting season on this new lease. So my question
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  Speaker 1: for you, Grant is this, with this very short amount time,
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  Speaker 1: very late in the year, on a new place, what
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  Speaker 1: would you do with those two weekends? What's the best
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  Speaker 1: bang for your buck and and most efficient impact you
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  Speaker 1: can make given those constraints. What would you do? What's
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  Speaker 1: your thought process? And that is a scary scenario there.
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  Speaker 1: Uh And I think my first thing because I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be thinking about this like a lot of us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: while I'm working, or do it driving down the road,
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  Speaker 1: even though I have two weekends to have boots on
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  Speaker 1: the ground. So I'm gonna I'm gonna whip out my
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  Speaker 1: online map, which for me is huntsed in, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna do just the opposite of a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at my property, but just as importantly
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  Speaker 1: it's a small release, I'm gonna look at the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: I want to try to find the best sources that
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  Speaker 1: you can detect from a satellite image of food covering water,
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  Speaker 1: because those resources are gonna impact how dear travel through
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  Speaker 1: or use my leaks. Of course, look at food we
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  Speaker 1: mentioned as a farmer probably doing a single rotation, so
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  Speaker 1: he's got corner beans, but he's not double cropping most likely,
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  Speaker 1: since that's rare. So I'm gonna try to learn what
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  Speaker 1: he's planting. And I can probably do that some extent
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  Speaker 1: by the you know, if I get it last year's
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  Speaker 1: satellite view. Uh And it's corn. I can assume he
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  Speaker 1: went to beans this year with pretty good accuracy. But
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  Speaker 1: I want to see much food is in the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe see if there's any timber work around me, there
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  Speaker 1: some bedding areas and clear cups or something, because when
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  Speaker 1: I start any new project, I want to identify the
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  Speaker 1: best sources of food, cover and water, find the one
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  Speaker 1: that's the most limited, and and put that where I'm hunting. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: that that makes sense. So can you can you maybe
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  Speaker 1: take it one step further them? So let's let's imagine
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  Speaker 1: we'll sorry, go ahead. Yeah, so I'll use my imagination
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. And I mean gonna say it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: homogenous habitat. I don't I don't see any fresh clear
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  Speaker 1: cups on the neighbors or a you know, a bedding area,
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  Speaker 1: and all the farmers seem to have the same practices
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, and all the farmers are harvesting their crops.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just say I don't know where we are north south,
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  Speaker 1: but let's say abou October one, there's still some hunting
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  Speaker 1: season out there when when the crops are standing, but
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  Speaker 1: they get gone pretty quick, and and combines are super
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  Speaker 1: efficient anymore. And this particular farmer is not using any
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  Speaker 1: cover crops, and so he said he didn't want me
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  Speaker 1: messing with his eels. But I'm gonna try to beg
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  Speaker 1: him to just let me broadcast. I'm not doing anything.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not adding any chemicals. I'm just gonna broadcast some
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  Speaker 1: good food plot blend, and in the back corner were
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  Speaker 1: likely the deer may have done some damage to his
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  Speaker 1: agg crops anyway, And and see if I can't get
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  Speaker 1: you an eighth acre quarter acre back corner fields just
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  Speaker 1: makes some little high deal food plots. Those are easy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about clearing trees or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not disturbing the soil because it's gonna be bare
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  Speaker 1: after harvest. I'm just broadcasting seed right before rain. Hope
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  Speaker 1: it rains on one or two weekends I have, or
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  Speaker 1: right after that, and then I'm gonna get boots on
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  Speaker 1: the ground. And that first day, man, I'm almost jogging
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  Speaker 1: through the woods. I'm just I've got limited time. I
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  Speaker 1: am on every trail and every side ridge and the
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  Speaker 1: elevator ridge, and I'm not gonna wear as much about
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  Speaker 1: the bottoms because i know the wind's gonna swirl down there,
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  Speaker 1: and I prefer to bow hunt early season, so it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a little tough running the bottoms. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: put my eggs in the basket on the ridge tops
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  Speaker 1: where the wind and thermals are gonna be more predictive
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  Speaker 1: bowl and more consistent. And what I'm really looking for
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  Speaker 1: is white oaks, because deer like white oaks over red
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  Speaker 1: oaks during the early season. Potentially know the farm place
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  Speaker 1: maybe got a para tree or something by it that
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  Speaker 1: would be an attraction during the early season. And just
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  Speaker 1: as importantly, I'm looking for any dry ponds or openings
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  Speaker 1: where some sun is reaching the soil and I can
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  Speaker 1: just take a rake or backpack blower and blow the
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  Speaker 1: leaves and duff out away and again broadcast some seed.
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  Speaker 1: And in that timber spot, I might go out a
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  Speaker 1: bag of tin, tin, tin or something and again make
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  Speaker 1: that attractive food source, because when all the farmers harvest,
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  Speaker 1: deer coming to my little food clots. M I love
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  Speaker 1: it now, both in your little timber spot and in
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  Speaker 1: the corners of these fields where you're gonna broadcast after takeout,
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  Speaker 1: What specifically would you try broadcasting in that kind of situation. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So just being really candid, I just designed the new
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  Speaker 1: blends for me, but I shared that recipe of the
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  Speaker 1: green cover so anyone could get it. But I maintained
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  Speaker 1: about ten or fifteen ton on your little high deal
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  Speaker 1: of food plots. And I've just learned through the years
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  Speaker 1: that you know, there's no new magic being but oats
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  Speaker 1: and folks, there's you know, everyone's well I got big
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  Speaker 1: buck oats or yellows or whatever. There's there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: code taller notes and non cook code taller notes. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have oats and radishes and buck leats and
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  Speaker 1: a few little soybeans in there to just get there early.
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  Speaker 1: Those are really great early season attract its north to south.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna have some blanched clover and a
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  Speaker 1: few things like that in there, just gonna come on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a month into it or so until it
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  Speaker 1: gets really cold and then really light up next spring
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  Speaker 1: for the turkeys. Just gonna those things are just gonna
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  Speaker 1: blow out of ground that following spring. And then I'm
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  Speaker 1: have a little cereal ride because once you get if
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  Speaker 1: I'm fair enough north and it gives code and my
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  Speaker 1: oats might frost off or just really become dormant and
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  Speaker 1: get eight to the ground. Sarah ye grows down to
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight degrees. So if it's twenty eight degrees and
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  Speaker 1: the mat checking about serial rise, it's say it's been
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  Speaker 1: zero for five weeks. Then it warms up the twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight degrees, it's gonna grow a little bit. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: that fresh photo synthesis fresh vegetation is gonna attract deer
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  Speaker 1: during the late season. So I'll have a blend. I
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  Speaker 1: always prefer blends over single species. If you like that blend,
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  Speaker 1: it's called heidi Hoo. I call little food box hide Hoo.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what I'm planting this year. Awesome now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just as an aside to everyone listening, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you and I Grant, we did a we did a
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  Speaker 1: podcast like I mentioned a few years ago, all about
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  Speaker 1: your Buffalo method as you were calling it um, where
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  Speaker 1: you talked about the importance of diversity and blends and
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  Speaker 1: everything like that. Highly recommend anyone who has a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more time than two weekends, but who really wants
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  Speaker 1: to rethink the way they do food plots in a
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  Speaker 1: more sustainable and soil friendly way. Highly recommend looking up
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  Speaker 1: the Buffalo method. Are you basically following the same program
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  Speaker 1: these days or has that changed dramatically in the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah, change little bit as we continue learning,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, just again there's no new magic being,
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  Speaker 1: but just trying different combinations of species. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: refined our techniques. My soil is improving. You've been your
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  Speaker 1: market really rocky, tough place. Uh, my soul is making
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  Speaker 1: more gains now, and it's easier to make gains early on, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's you know, it's really easy to jump when
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  Speaker 1: you're starting at the bottom, but it's really tough to
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  Speaker 1: get that last. But just about stuff we've learned in
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  Speaker 1: timing and techniques, we're making faster gains now and so
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  Speaker 1: much of a difference. We actually now call it the
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  Speaker 1: release process. I I kind of consider it releasing creations
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  Speaker 1: potential because I've just learned through the years that their soil,
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  Speaker 1: even degraded soil, if you treat it right, just within
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  Speaker 1: a year or two, it has so much potential. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't I haven't paid for any fertilizer set a little
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  Speaker 1: higheal if food plot or something in eight years now.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't bought any herbicide and a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just I spend and I like tractor time. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I my technique, I spent a lot less
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  Speaker 1: time on a tractors gives me more time to go
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  Speaker 1: being a tree stand or hang a tree stand or something. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Grant. Since that conversation where we
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  Speaker 1: dove into that, I have spent the last two years,
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  Speaker 1: you know, trying something you know, a poor man's version
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  Speaker 1: of what you're doing, and and have seen you know,
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  Speaker 1: pretty darn good success and have really enjoyed diving into
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  Speaker 1: this different way of going about things. So so thank
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  Speaker 1: you again for for sharing what you've been doing and
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  Speaker 1: how you're doing it, because it's been helpful to me
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure many many other people too. So it's
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  Speaker 1: cool to see that come together. Okay, so here's here's
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  Speaker 1: another scenario. Well we'll say, well, let me take I
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  Speaker 1: guess we'll stick with the original property that we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about here, but let's let's give it a little bit
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: more specificity and say it's forty acres, that's it, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: it is a mixture of that timber and some of
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: that agg like we talked about, it's surrounded by similar
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: here's the problem, here's the thing you discover um for
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the next year. Let's say you discover that you have
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: a neighborhood around you of folks who are hovering on
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: your property lines um in a big, big way, like
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: to a point where it's dramatically impacting you. You're seeing
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: them all the time, that bumping deer. Uh. It's become
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: something that's been become a real challenge and in one
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: way or another for you. So now you're entering your
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: two how if at all, would you adjust your property
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: your plan and let me take I guess. Let me
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: add one more thing, which is that you now own
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: this forty acres, so you can now do whatever you want.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: You bought this for me. Now you can change things up,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and you're trying to deal with these line hugging neighbors
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: that have been a challenge. What do you do now? Yeah,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: in those situations, I like to make my cover round
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the outside edge for cover reasons. I like it really thick,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and not only so people can't see in, and a
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: lot of them don't even want to walk through it.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna purposely designed my bedding areas
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: or my daytime cover areas on the edges of my property.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Uh and and deer will bed on edge no problem.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And then as part of that design, I have to think,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: how can I locate the property? Is my only access
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: to the south, or can I you know, pay the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: neighboring farmer a few bucks and come in from the east,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: or you know, how can I get there? And I'm
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: gonna really intentionally design my little higdio food plots so
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I can approach hunt nexit with multiple wind directions without
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: a learning deer. And that may mean I'm just taking
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: a backpack blower and making a walking trail around the
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: whole outside of property because I only have one access point,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and depending on the wind that day, I'm just going
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: on the down wind side. I may go three quarters
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: of the way around, just so I don't booger up
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the deer walking through the middle, and then cut in
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the hundred fi yards to my my scrape line and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: my food plot or whatever. And I'm and I'm gonna
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: have to hunt really strategically because there's always advantages. You
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: can always make limon AIGs somehow, if the neighbors are
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: kind of line huggers and probably careless hunters and putting
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on deer. And I can create
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: my property and hunted in a way that becomes a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: de facto sanctuary, less pressure than the other properties. I'm
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: still hunting it, but I'm thinking through how I approach
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: hunt next that every time I go there, deer are
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: gonna naturally want to be on my property even though
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it's forty acres. And they give a real quick perfect
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: example that years ago at Situay, which is a twenty
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: eight thousand research acre research property in southwest Georgia at
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the University of Georgia heads up lot of research, I
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: was prostrat Tod got to work on a little bit.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Another colleague of mine built four eighty acre enclosures that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: were kyle proof couch a big problem down there, about
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a footing a half deep wire on the ground and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: four ft tall and had a bunch of GPS color
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: does in the area. And the bottom line is when
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: it comes fawning season, the majority of doze out of
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: all that land in those areas went into the a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: d acre coyot proof enclosure to fawn because they knew
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: it was safer. M and so you may not be
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: able to reduce a Hunderson the pressure or certainly you
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: probably can't remove a hunbersond predators. But if you can
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: reduce the pressure or predators lord in your neighbor, then
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like you and I being
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: thrown in the middle of Ukraine right now or something. Man,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: we're going for cover, We're going We're never totally safe,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: but we won't be as safe as we can. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that makes that makes sense. One kind of follow up
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: when it comes to, you know, paying extra attention to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: your access. You know, there's more and more people these
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: days it seems like, um, you know, kind of leaning
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: towards wield access as a way to reduce the pressure.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So whether with a bike or an e bike or
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a UTV or a buddy driving in with a truck. Uh,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you know, where where have you fallen these days more
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: recently on that side of things? Do you do you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: do that a lot? Still? Is that a part of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: your strand? And I do? I do Mi langel steep
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of chicken right an e bike up
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: down my heels. I'm afraid I'll take a face plant somewhere.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: But uh, buggies, four wheelers, your wife taking you to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: pick up if you're not lucky, whatever it is anywhere.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty blessed with a you know, pretty good sized property.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: But dear, here here vehicles, my place, neighbor's place, local
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: highload ever every single day. And and so I have
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: no problem getting dropped off three feet from my stand
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in a vehicle at Tendle three in the afternoon. I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: would much rather do that than walking quarter mile in
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: there and the wind's blowing across me that whole quarter
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: mile and making a big old sense dream out there.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So for years we've been big on getting dropped off
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: or you know, getting in there without walking. Yeah, And
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the last thing I want to say about that, you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: if you have a property it's pretty secluded and you
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: haven't been there all year, and an opening day hunt season,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you're buzzing every road with your UTV, you're probably you know,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you're probably burning up the deer a little bit. But
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: if you're you know, you're like me. You're checking truck cameras,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you're working food plots, you're moving stands. They're just used to.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: But it's it's not something that alerts Dear Yeah, it's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: all about, you know, maintaining consistency. And once they come
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to realize that wheels and vehicles are a consistent thing,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it no longer is out of the norm and they
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: can they can live with that, right. Yeah, that you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: may see one that bounces off in the woods fitty
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: yards and watch as you go buy or something, but
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: not like they smelled a big o ugly guy walking
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: out through there. And so man, last time I smelled
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Dad at thundered rolloud, Mama fell over dead. So I
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: don't want to smell again. Yeah, for sure. All right,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: let's let's step away from that hypothetical and now kind
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: of go back to your current situation. You're on the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: proving grounds and I don't know exactly when you plant
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: your your fall release blend, but let's say you whenever
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that period comes and goes, you plant your fall you
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: broadcast your fall blend into your spots in that late
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: summer time period, and you're supposed to get great rain.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But let's say like the next day, the forecast completely
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: changes and now there's nothing. And you mentioned to me
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: earlier today that you're in the midst of a real
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: gnarly drought. So Let's say this drought continues and you
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: go a week without that rain, and then two weeks
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: without that rain, and maybe three weeks without that rain.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Now opening days is either here or almost here, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: all that stuff staring you in your face, and you
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: have this this dried up, almost non existent food plot.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: What do you do in that situation to salvage your
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: situation if at all? Yeah, great points A long back up.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: We're gonna plan about forty five to sixty days before
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the average first frost date in the fall here if
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: there's slat of food that happens to be bout October
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: fift so, you know, August fift on when the weather
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: person says, we got a really good chance to rain
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and we're going to a spread seed and we've had
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you know, eight chance for and it doesn't rain. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: assure you, in a little small hunting pot or hidio plot, squirrels, cardinals,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: turkeys or whatever can wipe out a bunch of seed quick.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how to eat that much. You know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you at thirty parns out there and you see a
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: few squirrels right now, you know it's a big deal.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You know, next time you go after you got a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: boot and crockett squirrel running around and no seed german ating.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Uh So that's a real pain and I'm always gonna
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: have four or five options. I like to monitor scrapes
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: year around. You know, those bigger communal scrapes. They're probably
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: not pawing the ground, but they're using the overhanging limb.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I love bottlenecks. I mean, I'm a I like a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: good bottleneck as much as I do anything. So I'm
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: going to create bottlenecks pinch points by whatever method I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: need to on that property is that's making a gap
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and you know, an inter your fence, or have a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: pond and surely dry or you know, whatever it is.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for those bottlenecks because, dear, unless they're unless
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they've been disturbed there, they're gonna use bottlenecks every day,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and you want to hunt them knowing that disturbance is
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: a real no no. And one thing a good friend
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of mine from Wisconsin, I've always kind of tinkered with it,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: but he's I think he's perfected it. He vic takes
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a stick or a piece of grape vine or something
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like that instead of making a full moss grape which
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I do every year, you know, driving my tea post
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and ground and wire a tree or a branch to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it or whatever. And he just takes some peer record
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and hangs these sticks down out of the tree on
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a trail or a food plot or whatever, about four
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: feet off the ground. And I don't know what it
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: is that the deer. I hate to use the word playing.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: That's what Disney is, but uh, they bumped those sticks
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: around for twenty minutes at a time. It is shocking
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to me. And I'm not taking any credit. My buddy
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Vic does this and just had tremendous results. They spend
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: time there, They turn a different angles so you get
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a get shot angle to the tree you made the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: moss scrape out. I was not blocking your view if
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: they come in the wrong way. So I'm gonna have
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: some of those this year in various places. So it's
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: it's just a piece of grape vine or branches hanging
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: down off of some pear cord, basically as a licking branch,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: but a vertical kind of hanging a vertical licking branch.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But it's got a lot of movement to it. You know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you may tie it five six ft above, or you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: why are the limb isn't that situation? And his trail
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: camera videos, My goodness, those deer spent a lot of
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: time there. Interesting. Now, is there any planting option, like
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: if you have that drought the last three more weeks,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: is there something that you would try to still go
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: back out and broadcast, you know, into late September, or
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: something that can get you a little extra anything, or
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: is it out of the question at that point. Now,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna plant that same blend against seal rise, really
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: drought resistant and colde herty. But I'm gonna wait for
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: soil moisture. I'm I'm too old to waste money on
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: seed anymore. If there's just no moisture and no rain
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: in the forecast, or the forecast doesn't pan out as
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you would anticipated, I'm gonna give some more seed. And
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: at that time, you know I've missed the ideal planning window.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Now on ten days before the first expected frost, now
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you know these are average frost days, so ours is October.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. Not a cross here until mid November.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna gamble. Okay, We're gonna get some more
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: warm temperatures, members not just warm temperature, though you need
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of sunshine for those plants to photosynthesize,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and those days are getting shorter and shorter. But I'm
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: not throwing out hopefully it terms green when food is
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you know this when food is short for deer in
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the dear world, Uh gosh, I think they probably a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: green pickup. So I want to turn it green if
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I can, and and and and also I love to
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: turkey up, so I want that green spot out. There's
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a strep zone in the spring. Also, is there like
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a cut off date? Is there any dates where you're like, okay,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it's it's finally too late to try. I mean, if
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you're getting frost for for here, I kind of figure
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: like November one is you know, I have failed. There's
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: just no way to salvage this. And at that time,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not having much weed pressure or anything. I'm gonna
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: wait in frost, seeds and clover as soon as I can.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: In the spring. Let's shift away from property work now
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and and talk a little bit more on the hunting side.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Let's say we're moving into opening day of hunting season,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and to make this, you know, applicable to as many
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: people as possible. Let's say that the property you're hunting
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is on the smaller side. It's it's it's not huge,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it's kind of I don't know, let's say a hundred
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: some acres give or take um. But there's a lot
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of people around it. There's a lot of folks the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: hunt in the neighborhood. Let's you know, we'll put you
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: up in northern Missouri, maybe more towards the you know, St.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Louis area, So there's a lot of folks that get
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: after it. Okay, And opening day is in the forecast.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: You're looking at it and you're thinking, man, I've had
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: this game plan in place. There's a big shooter buck
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that's been you know, he's been showing up on camera.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I've got, you know, everything lined up for this. I
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: know that first day is is usually one of your
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: best chances because there haven't been people hunting. But here's
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the big issue. The weather forecast for opening day and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the next few days after that is very hot, a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: subpar wind, muggy, just just kind of the worst case
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: scenario as far as what you dream of for great
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: deer hunting conditions. So the question is this grant, do
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you go and hunt opening day despite the lousy weather,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: because you know it's your only hunt pre hunting pressure
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: before other guys mess things up. Or do you say
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm not hunting there until the perfect
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: weather or the perfect wind, and you wait till four
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: or five days into the year, risking the possibility that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: your neighbors might hunt all four of those days and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: booger everything up regardless. What would you do in that situation? Yeah,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I am with the I do not like high humanity days.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Your sin It's just whiff and everywhere. Uh So I'm
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: not I'm certainly not hunting my prime areas. I usually
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: have what I call an observation stand. You know some
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: people called the brother in law stand. You don't think
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you're gonna really see a shooter buck or maybe no
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: dear there just because it's opening day and I've planned
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to be off work that day, I'm going hunting. But
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: it's hot and muggy and the wind is still. I
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: am not going to a good area. I'm just going
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: on edge and probably got my binoculars at the ready
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: morning do my bow. I'm just you know, looking three
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: ft of yards out. I had that kind of visibility
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to a good area even now.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, uh that here at my place, if if
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the conditions aren't right, I'll go set on a you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: a bluff on a ridge top and look over areas
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: or something. I'm not going into a primary, those those
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: primaries that you've worked, you know, maybe hanging stand and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: cut some lanes or playing a little food plot or whatever. Uh.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Dr Carl Millery used to be in my roommate for
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit of University Georgia. Bryant guy has done
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: some great research. And we know that deer have memory
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and it and I would rather give up five days.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: And my other thinking here is, if it's bad conditions,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: although the neighbors are probably getting busted and maybe a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: learning deer they've got a chance to bumping him in
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: my land, they're probably not killing a lot of deer
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: because the conditions are so bad, certainly mature deer. So
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let them hunt, and I'm just gonna let
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: him maybe push a couple bump up key bucks in
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: there to my area and let them realize that's a
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: safer part of your home range. And I'm just gonna
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: do an observation ye, okay, I follow you. Here's another one.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Let's and I think this is actually something that you'll
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: be able to relate to. I think you had a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: somewhat similar experience um with a buck you called swoops.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: But let's say you've got one buck on your property
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that you have been after for several years and he's
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: been on your mind. He's been the one, and for
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, he's always been one step ahead of you.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: You know, he's he there, only shows up in daylight
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: when you're you know, on vacation, and then when you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: go hunt, he's shown up there you or he's in
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the standard hunting yesterday, and then you go back there
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and then he's where you were the day before, whatever
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it was. He's always where you're not, and you're always
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: close but not close enough. You've hunted him. Let's say,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll say not six or seven years like
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you did, but let's say you hunted him to previous years.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Now you're into year three, your third year hunting this buck.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Now you have two really good years of history with
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: What kinds of things would you focus on or change
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: when it comes to your hunting strategy or setups or
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: scouting and trail cameras, anything like that to dial in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: in now on year three, when you're saying, gosh, he's
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: evade to me for so long, I have to make
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it work now and you decide to switch it up,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: what would those things be? Yeah, that is a great
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: scenario that I think a lot of the space. Um,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I keep camera pictures of bucks that let's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: just say, you know, three years old or older year
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: after year after year. You know, I'll give him a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: name or put him in a file or whatever. And
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the first thing I'm gonna do is really study. I'm
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: gonna get a pencil, pencil on paper out and I'm
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: gonna look at the dates and exactly where that camera
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: was or where he was. I'm gonna I'm gonna plot
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: it out. I mean, because I have found it. Oftentimes
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the mature bucks, even more so as they reach older
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: age classes, not only have the generic path of they
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: may show up on the exact same day at a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: food plot of location of scrape that they did the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: year before. It is something it is really uncanny to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: me and how accurate that is. So I'm really going
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to look at the plast and say, Okay, early season.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: He's using the south part of where I get the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: hunt and specifically this white Oak ridge or whatever it is.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And then about two or three weeks into it, I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: don't get any more pictures him now, and they everybody
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: start figuring some pictures the next ridge over. I'm gonna
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: really point that data down, and then I'm gonna ask
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: myself to be honest with myself and say, why have
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I not tagged that bug? Where is he busted me?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: What am I doing wrong? It's not the deer's fault, right,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: He's just doing his thing. It's our fault. And I'm
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: gonna really review my hunting techniques, my choices, my timing,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: because I need to change. I do not want to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: do the same thing I've been doing. And and I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: think those two things paired have helped me tag some
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: bucks that have avoided me for multiple years, which is
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: frustrating and fun at the same time. Right when that
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: when that does come together, you know, a year or
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: two or three later, whatever, guys want a reward. That
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: is so so so true. Well on the trail camera
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: from this is something I'm always curious about different people's
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: takes on this. When you're trying to zero in on
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: one specific buck Uh, let's say maybe maybe do this
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: with swoops and maybe not. But when you're trying to
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: zero and note a deer, let's say you have just
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the one that you really want and you're trying to
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: close the net around him in one form or another.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: What do you do with your cameras differently, if at all,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: to help you fine tune that pattern? Do you start
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: moving in the men tighter and tighter into one area,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: or do you put more out in his range? Or
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: do you never change your trail camera strategy and always
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: have a basic blanket approach year after year because you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: know you still want cameras in the north corner because
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: maybe a new buckles show up. What's your take on that? Yeah? Great,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: great thought again, Mark, I do change my choke camera
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: placement pretty frequently based on m R i most recent information.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: And in that scenario, I'm I'm gonna work really hard
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: not to crowd or alert the deer. Alerted deer is
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: so much tougher to hunt. And and so if I
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you know he's back on the south FORDI again, he's
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: back in there. I'm gonna just place cameras along roads
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: or edge as a plot or somewhere I can get
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: mid day that there's almost zero champs. I'm gonna bumping.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: It's hot enough to sin is rising years rising. I'm
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: probably going in with the sync control. Even know I'm
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: not hunting, but I'm not penetrating, you know, a hundred
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and fifty yards in the timber to get to that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: wideoat tree or something. I'm just not gonna take a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: chance of busting that dear out there. So I may
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: move some more cameras in the area, but they're gonna
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: be on the outskirts of the area. I just want
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to see if I can find him, and if he's
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: coming and going. And I have done this and I'm
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: always surprised at Okay, here's a spot on this road
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and see thirty yards. There's really no redeeming reason here.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm just gonna put a camera because I'm
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: not getting anything on this camera on the other side
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of rhim and you whip it out there, you know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: call it gut instinct, call it whatever it is, but
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: you don't really see any reason put it there. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, at Bucks walking seven yards from
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the camera. So I'm gonna put my cameras in his area,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: but I'm not going very far off the road or
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: where I can access real easily. Yeah, what about camera density? Um,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: you know how many cameras you'll put in a small area.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I spent some time last fallow Tom Inderbo, and I
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: was shocked by the way he uses cameras. He will
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: in a in an acre area like an acre food
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: plot or a little acre betting knob. He'll have three,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: four or five different cameras in this little area pointed
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: in every different direction, or two sides of the trail,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: or both sides of the water hole and two different
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: trails that come into it. I mean, he very very
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: thoroughly covered certain zones. Do you ever do anything like that,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: or or if not, what is the density you get
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: so that you can, you know, get the full picture
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: or at least enough of the picture. I do that
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: when I do suspect there's a certain buccan area that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I or one of my guests or someone would like
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to tag. And Tom is a very skilled outdoorsman, so
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly not going against Tom. But I do the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: same thing, but not just Willie Nilli. I mean, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: know there's something going on in there. I can't quite
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: figure it out. And again I'm not going to way
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: through the betting area to do this, but as close
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: as I can get and feel I'm not disturbing to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: do all stack several an area I kind of look
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: at like trapping if a if I've got to get
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the crossroads and there's a lot of coyuchsign there, I'm
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: not gonna put one trap there. I'm gonna put three
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: or four because of course, gyles often travel as smaller units.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And if I think I got a buck man he's
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: crossing this rib somewhere, you know, going to this water
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: source somewhere, Heck, yeah, I'm gonna put three or four
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: cameras in there because I'm just guessing otherwise. So one
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: more trail camera situation then for him, and this will
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: kind of will zoom out to a slightly more generic situation.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So let's let's not say we're trying to kill one
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: specific buck, but instead this is just pay you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: let's go back to that forty acre property you mentioned earlier.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: You've got this forty acre property, and now I want
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to just better understand how you what your what your
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: typical starting point trail camera setup would be. So let's
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: imagine I'll give you a little more detail on this property. Now,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: let's imagine this forty acres and you have two food plots.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Those are your two food sources. The rest of the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: forty acres is tim or brush, that kind of stuff,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of which two really good betting thickets are within. So
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you've got two food plots, you've got two really great
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: betting thickets. And let's say one of those thickets is
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: in the valley, one of those thickets up on a bridge. Okay,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: there's your there's your property. You have four cameras at
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: your disposal. Where and how would you place your four
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: cameras across this type of property. If it's early season
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and I don't believe deer dispersed and chasing acorns all
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: up down the ridges, I'm gonna focus on those food plots.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Assuming I've got a decent food plot crop in they're
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: planning to establish one, And even if the deer getting
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: near after dark, I'm gonna pay attention to, you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: what direction they came from where they exited, and once
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I get a hint of a pattern, then I'll chase
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: them a little bit, you know, back up hundred yards
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: or yards or whatever. I myself stay out of bedding
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: areas until the pre rut and then I try just
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: out if I can. I just that's a real sensitive
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: area deer. Having a lot of GPS collars on deer
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: throughout my career. If you bump a deer from a
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: bedding area, they tend to get a little bit more upset.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And if you're bumping off a food source or something
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: like that, and they expect to be bumped around food sources, right,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that's how they're created. They get this big old room,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and I often try to share with people, and I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: usually get some odd faces. But a deer's number one
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: predator defense mechanism is not its nose or size or
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: his ear. It's it's belly. And in reason it's it's belly.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: You know you've watched ear. They especially to heavy pressure.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: They come out where there's some sun hitting the ground
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: or getting native native forbes or food plot or whatever,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and they eat real quick, and then they go back
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: into bushes and they regurgitate it and show it up
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: more and swallowed again. If they had to eat like
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: we do, they'd be standing in that food plot for
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: an hour and be much more exposed to predation. So, uh,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: food is key to deer. They're gonna need it every day.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Dey are gonna consume approximately lots of variables in here.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Don't send me hate mail, but about five of their
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: body weight to day driveway. That's all the moisture. So
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you got lush clover. It could be seventy water. So
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: now you're talking about eating a whole bunch of pounds
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: every day to get that driveway. So they're gonna eat
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: a lot and that's gonna be a daily routine. And
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: if they're not coming to daylight, I still gained critical
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: information of where they're coming from, when where they're going.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And by the way, if I could add, truck cameras
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: are awesome. I'm a kind of truck camera for you
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: can have too many. Um, don't tell my wife I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: admitted that. But if you go to the skin and
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: ship your buddy kills a deer, and no one likes
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to do this, right because you get your hands and
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: smelly whatever. But after you're done a vis rating, it
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: go up the esophagus. If it's a bug, pullow it
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: out you know you want in a cape or whatever.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But because what you find is that you know that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: your buddy harvested this deer forty five in the morning,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and you got the esophagist, you're gonna get a pretty
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: good idea where he was the previous hour, because food
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: moves a little bit slow. And you say, oh, man,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: he's known in the neighbor's cornfield. There's some corn up
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: there about six inches down from his throat or you know,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. That's your timetable. We call that scouting
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: from the skinning ship, and it's a little bit more
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: accurate than looking in the room. And because once we
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: get some room and it could sit there quite a while.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: It does sit through quite a while. Of course, they
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: just start breaking down from the acids in there. But boy,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and you can get the softish. You can just backtrack
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: a cup hun her yards and know exactly where that
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: deer was. That's a great idea. I like that a lot.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: So let's move the time forward. On that scenario you mentioned,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you'd be focusing on the food plots in the early season.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: With this, you know, forty acres, two plots, two thickets,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: one ridge. Once we get a little later in the year,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: when when would your trail camera placement shift if at
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: all as you get later into the year. Yeah, if
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I noticed the browse pressure decreasing, I'm I'm always gonna
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: have a utilization cage and all my plots for multiple reasons.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: But one is during hunting season. You know it's foot
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: tall inside your basket and eight inches tall outside, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, there's only two inches difference.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I know that the deer have left to go chase
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a corns or local agg field or something, and I
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: need to be hunting somewhere else. And so you know
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: our white oaks hit the ground. Guys at my house
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: or you know, neighbor's house swears big white oak out
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the yard, and it's just raining. And that's five minutes
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: from where my hunt. I need to be chasing those
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: white oaks. And I'm gonna go to the ridge top. Now,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: deer're gonna eat on the side ridges and the bottoms,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: but my chances of my wind staying in a constant
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: direction is way higher on the ridge top. So I'm
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: gonna just get on that ridge top. Bucks love the
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: cruise that ridge top because it's easier, less calories to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the cruise during the pre rutt and rut and find
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: me some great, big old white oaks that are cruising
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: up there. You know this this is anything but scientific,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: But through the years I've seemed to notice, you know,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it's it's like almost every property un list was clearer
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: cut twenty years ago or something that could be that great,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: big old treat. It's twice as big as the other
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: trees made. There's a fence halfway going through it or whatever.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: They couldn't cut it, and it's almost I Dear use
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: those giant trees as road markers. Oh, we turned right
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: up here at the big tree. Yeah. I know it
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: sounds so, you know, kind of quacky, but so many
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: times when I you know, buddy ay Man, I know
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you're passing through once you come home on one afternoon
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't have me to dance. How go you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: got this race? Go down this ridge and hunt. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: don't have you in tweet what I'm doing my default
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: and net scenarios find the biggest tree on the ridge,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: because I believe, Dear use that as a road mark
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: m I feel like, anecdotally, I've seen the same kind
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: of thing too, and it fits into Dove's tails perfectly.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: To my next question, and maybe your answer will apply
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to this too. But another situation similar to what you
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: described that a lot of people dread is the band
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: in her acorn year, like the year, and let's say
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: they're in like a big timber area like you hunt,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you know down there in southern Missouri, where there's acorns everywhere.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: How how do you narrow things down and approach your
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: hunt when they can eat every darn place they turn? Okay,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: so we gotta think this, dude, there's acorns everywhere. That's
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: not a limiting factor. Um. You may know in the
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: pass as certain trees for whatever reason, your preferred the
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: acorns there first over other trees. But what else is there?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: So if acorns aren't working for me because they're everywhere,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: is there a redline? Is there a pinch point going
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: in those acorns? Acorns are really dry. If you're eating
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of acorns are going to water. That's a given.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Acorns have low moisture content compared to lush plover soybeans
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: or something, so they're if they're really on acorns. People
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: get all goofy about acorns, but what else they have
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to have? Every day? We'll have to have water. I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: still got you, Mark, yep, I still got you. Sorry.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: So water can be a big thing when deer heavy
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: on acorns and water unless you got a you know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a lake or a big creek or something's gonna usually
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: be a more limited factor. And by the way, again,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you know, don't have data to prove this, but I've
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: seen it a lot. Do you prefer drinking out of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a little pond, you know, a cow track something small
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that a big rushing river And if you think about
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: when they're by that big rushing river, they don't have
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: near as good predator fence that's making noise kind of
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: reduces their hearing potential, and you know, and the a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: preador could trap them against the waterline, make them get
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: in the water. So I love a little ten or
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: twenty ft pond h for deer hunting. Does your does
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: your take on the big acorn near it all change
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: from time of year? So does water really play into
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: it earlier in the year but not so much during
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the run? Or is like that kind of thing the same,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: You're gonna run the same pro Graham in the heavy
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: acorn years. No matter what which is find the limiting
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: factor in this case maybe water or that pinch point
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and play that one. Yeah, pinch points are always awesome.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: But water, of course, they're in your season. You would
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: expect it's hotter, and deer don't have sweatguns, sweat glands,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: excuse me. They pant to get rid of water like
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: a dog. So you're eating something really dry. It's hot
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and dry outside. Water just becomes even more valuable at
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that early season, and then a little later during the
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: pre rut, where the bucks aren't necessarily on a feeding pattern,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: they're eating that they're you know, the first five percent
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: of dose are receptives, so they're bouncing around trying to
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: get that limited date. Uh again, they're moving like they
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: have to have water. They're like an athlete, they have
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to have water. Uh So, water I think is especially
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: in areas where waters are more limited. I mean water
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: in South Florida is not a limiting factor. Don't try
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: to hunt water. You probably get bit by a gator
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and be it's just everywhere you know, you just you're
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: not there's no pitch point there. But if you're in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: ridge and valley type stuff, there's not a creek and
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: never valley up. A little pond on a ridge stop
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: can be a great place to hunt during those times.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: The early early season, it's hot if it's hot and dry,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and during the pre rut win deer just running a lot,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: covering a lot more yards per day and needs some
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: watery Speaking of it being hot, then let's let's consider
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: a new scenario that's the opposite of that. So let's
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: say it's October, mid October and the first big cold
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: front of the year hits. It's dropping i don't know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: twenty five degrees cooler than it was on the previous
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: days high and you have some weird scheduling things of
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: going on, and you are only available to hunt the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: next morning after the cold front hits, or that evening.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: So you get you can hunt the next day after
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the cold front. It's either the morning or the evening.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: You can only pick one. Which of those sits would
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you choose to hunt? Why is that? And then you know,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: paint for me your perfect spot for that kind of
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: hunt on that kind of day. I'm gonna throw in
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: just a couple more variables. It's almost always easier for
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: hunters to move into position in the afternoon when we
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: would think dear or bedded up. Yeah, I love morning hunting.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: But unless you've got that special stand and when I
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: call it backdoorsdy and you dear out in the beanfield
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and you're coming in totally opposite direction and it wins
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: right and you just let them come to you. Afternoon
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: hunts are easier for hunters to get in position. So
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna weigh that in and if everything's equal, I'm
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: going with the afternoon hunt. Um. I love hunting the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: day after the front goes through. And if that front
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: past midday night and hunt in the afternoon, that would
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: be awesome. But weighing those odds of the first one,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I might fudge a little bit towards the afternoon hunt.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, I like about a ten percent or
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: more greater temperature change. A lot of people get hung
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: up on the actual degrees, but ten degrees between seventy
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: and eighty and ten degrees between twenty and thirty there's
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a whole big difference there. So I'm looking for a
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: percent change, and and I really like days that are
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: ten percent or more change. That's favorable. So if it's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: warm in the fall and it's cooler tempercent cooler, I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: really like that. If it's been wicked code and the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: first day it warms up ten percent deer you're gonna
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: be everywhere, They're gonna be feed. So I look at
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: as percent change versus an actual number, and I liked
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: right after the front is past, if I can approach
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: hunt next without alerting deer, Okay, I love it. So
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: that first evening then is your chance. You've got the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: nice temperature drop. Can you paint for me a picture
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: of what that location would be, Let's say, on on
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: your home farm. Can you imagine what you're you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: all of the things being equal with no obviously we
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: have no m R. But if you could imagine a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: perfect situation for October fifteenth, you're waiting for the afternoon hunt.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: What kind of spot would be perfect for that day
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: in your mind? Yeah, if we have a wide oak crop,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: they're going to white oaks here in most places, and
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: we we have white oaks, but we have probably eight
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: decent red oaks or a white oaks or kind of
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: pinch points, if you will. And so I'm probably gonna
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: be in wide oaks, big mature white oaks, and I'm
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: gonna be on a ridge top, not the deer again
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: or eating on slopes. But my wind is gonna the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: wind direction is gonna stay much more consistent on the
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: ridge topic. And I kind of explained that if you're
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: a trout fisherman ever fishing good trout stream, there's eddies
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: everywhere because it's hitting the rock or cutting a buy
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: ank or whatever. And then if you go to the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: big metro area and they got these concrete ditches for
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: flood control, there's no eddies out there because the water
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: is not hitting anything. And so that's so true for
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: air movement. So I love hunting Western Kansas. I look
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: like a really good hunter in Western Kansas because the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: wind comes off the rockies today, it did yesterday, did
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. I'm just gonna do it the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: next hundred years. So the wind direction is pretty dog
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: on consistent unless there's a big front or storm going
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: on and it comes off those rockies and just sweeps
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: across that flat prairie out there. And so you know
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the wind direction and everything's in section line, so you
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: can almost always get east of it. Wind's gonna be
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: out to west something west and and get to your stand.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: And the same thing is true if you're if you
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: own the property or if your Grandma's properly or whatever.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: And you've done some habitat work, and you have done
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: t sized timber standard provemtter. You know, you took out
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: a bunch of lower quality trees and left the best.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: There's fewer eddies out there, there's more room for the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: wind to build up speed going tree to tree. When
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: you're hunting in closed cannot be thick forest. There's gonna
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: be eddies everywhere, and it's really tough not to get busted.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: So I've been there. Um. Would your answer to that
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: question on choosing the morning or the evening my original question,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: would that change if I fast forwarded the date from
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: October up to November or would you still pick that evening? No,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: you know, in November I probably have to skip work,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: get in trouble and hunt. Both times. You gotta be
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: out there. But I love mornings in November. I'm a
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: morning person. I'm a morning hunter. But that time year,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I feel we can get away with more entering our
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: stand because the bucks are not on a pattern. They're
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: they're looking for a date and they're not on a pattern,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: or rarely are they on a pattern, and so you
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I'll risk more getting closer to betting areas or whatever.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Take a more direct route, because the buck is liable
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: to comfort about anywhere unless you got a really great
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: pinch point. You know, it just narrows down, the river,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: narrows you down, whatever. And I'm gonna be hunting mornings
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: that time of year, and it means if I can,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: but if only one in the morning. Yeah, I like
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: your idea, just paying the in the consequence of skipping
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: work and making it happen. I got another one here.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit of a downer, another downer
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: here for you. But let's say you hunted your evening
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: of October and let's say it worked out great. You
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: picked that perfect spot and the buck comes in and
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: you get a shot at the deer. In your mind's
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: eye when you think back on this shot. Now, let's
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: say you're not filming, so you can't actually look at
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the film, but in your mind you're thinking, man, I
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: think I think it hit lungs, maybe like back of
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the lungs. And you decide to get on the blood
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: trail within an hour hour and a half something like that,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: and the trail isn't as good as you're hoping for.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: It's kind of spotty and it takes you, you know,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: past two hundred yards. You're still on blood, but it's spotty,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: and you have not found him. Now after about two
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: fifty yards, it's been you know, two hours probably now
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: since the shot. What would you do in that specific scenario?
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: You think it's back of lungs, two hundred plus yard
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: kind of spotty blood trail. Do you keep pushing a
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: deer like that? Do you stop? Uh? And let's say
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: this was an evening hunt, right, so it's after dark. Now,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: how would you handle this specific tracking scenario? Yeah, and
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: unless there is a big rainfront moving in, I'm backing
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: out October fifteen. Most of the white tail's range. It's
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: cool enough meat and take an awful lot without spoiling
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: way more than I think most hunters realize. And I'm
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: just backing out. I might have been tempted to back
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: out a hundred yards. Now, I'm gonna try if I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: recover the raw to really studies smell, touch, how sticky
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: as the blood, of course, what color it is. I'm
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: trying to gain as much intail from the arrow and
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the spore on the ground as I can before I
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: ever get ting her yards down the trail. But if
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I'm tuner yards and the blood trail is not changing,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: it's just drip, drip, drip, I'm backing out for sure. Yeah,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: and back out all the way till the next morning,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? I'll be there sunrise about it
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: next morning, not at in time. But the odds are
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: really great. The deer has either passed or it's gonna survive,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: or it's gonna survive for five or six days until
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the infection. Stepson, Well, I hope, I hope in that
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: scenario when you wait the next morning, he's right there
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: and you've got him. But we're gonna we're gonna pretend
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: like you didn't, and we're gonna pretend that it is
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: now the third week of October and you're hunting again.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And here's a scenario that I've actually been in myself.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: This is this is pulled right out of my own history,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and it's one I've had different. You know, I think
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of us have had something similar to this. Um,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: you're hunting this buck. You've gotten daylight trail camera pictures
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: of him, a handful of evenings in daylight in a
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: small heidy hoole food plot. You have hunted that spot
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: two times in the month of October so far. So
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: over the last twenty one days, you've one in twice
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: after him. It's like you get a daylight picture, maybe
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: in your cell camera, and you think, all right, I
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: got the same conditions that go back in the next
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: night he's a no show. And then it happens again,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: like a week later, you get the daylight picture of
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: my food. You try to hunt him there again. The
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: next night, he's a no show. Each time you've done it,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the same thing has happened. What do you do in
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: that scenario if you're trying to get that buckets now
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the third week in October, you've had this thing happened
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: a couple of times, what if anything would you do
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: to try to fine tune moving in towards the you know,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: pre rut into the rut. Yeah, probably gonna go back
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: to an early conversation and reposition a few cameras in
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the area and not in true too much, but try
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: to pick up some more intail and I would really
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: consider my approach. Is this buck really that random? And
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it may be because my joke cameras will getting picture
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: once a week, and no, those are the toughest bucks
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: to hunt, or or am I lerning this dear somehow
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: getting there? And often we think, well, the truck camera
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: picture shows him coming from pick a direction to west,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: He's better way down, not holler somewhere. But many, many
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: times deer have a very secuitous or curby route getting
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to where they're going to feed or wherever they're going.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: And heck he maybe you know, he may be walking
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: thirty yards from where I'm parking my vehicle or walking
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: in or whatever. And so I never count on until
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: unless I really know my habitat, and I've maintained my habitat,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I've done long improvements, and I'm kind of planning how
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: dear are going to travel. We really never know how
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: dear are getting there based on a still picture. I
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: would add this though, Um, I have no problem hunting
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: the same stand for many days in a row, if
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I'm very convinced I have not lerned, dear. If you're
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: not learning, dear, it doesn't matter. You know, people always
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: ask me, hey, can you have to stand more than
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: one one day? Can you hunt a two days? You know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: in a hundred days. If you're not learning deer. May
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: not be a good choice to hunt it that many days,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: but it's all about learning deer. Like I have a
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: buddy here lives close by me and good mountain hunter.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: He missed, you know, the buck of a lifetime here
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: in Nilo's arts with the bow at twenty yards of
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: a big oak tree and bucker Darrow hit the ground
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, ran off. He just said, calls me up.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Just just sit I said, Man, that deer just hurts
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: some noise. I can go back. If the winds are
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: saying tomorrow, I'd go back there, no problem. If he
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: did not look at you, see you act like he
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: smelled you. He just hurts some noise, and he probably
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: does not associate that with human danger. You know, a
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: similar kind of offshoot of that we talked earlier about
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: how how we both prefer you know, wield access or exit.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: What about that kind of situation like hunting the same
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: place and every night to get out of you get
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: picked up. Do you feel like it eventually has some
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: kind of a cruel of negativity where you know, you
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: hunt that stand six times in November throughout October and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you get picked up every night. Is eventually that going
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: to start to kind of wear on things or you
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: you feel like that's pretty bulletproof and you can get
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: away with that over and over as long as the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: other things you mentioned are true. Yeah, as the other
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: factors come into play, I don't worry about I think
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: about golf courses or going down you know, any city highway. St. Louis, wherever, Atlanta. Uh,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: they're really conditioning those things as long as they don't
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: associate them with danger. Right. There's some great research where, uh,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: everyone sees people hunting over feeder in South Texas and
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty bucks file in seventeen thousand doos it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: seems like or whatever, and you know day after day, Well,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: that's limited hunting pressure on those big ranches. If you
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: go to the deep South where hunting is you know,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: like going to school, you just do it every day. Um,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: those feeders get so much pressure do you become extremely
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: nocturnal feeders and you'd be much better to hunt some rails.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: So it's got a little You need to take all
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: these I guess in context a little bit. And my
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: big thing is that try to not alert deer because
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I think we'd all rather hunt a golf course deer
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: than the middle of the public land there where the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: deer just got stand there and looking at you, and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: so I like to and golf courses at man, they
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: got herbicide and fungicide and secticide and mowing and people
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: and golf carts. Old lady who laying in the bush
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: is looking for a golf ball, and the deer don't care.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: They stand around right because there's no perceived danger. Or
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: my favorite one is I used to have quite their
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: work for DLD Department of Defense, you know that's been
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: about timson or budget on environment or wildlife whatever. And
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: and many times I've seen you know, a hundred and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: fifty of America's best in their practiced with automatic weapons
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: and twenty deer feeding on the down wind side. And
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: there's two major lessons there. The deer totally conditioned to it.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Of course our best. They're not shooting at them because
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: they'd probably you know, have to go to the brig
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: or something like that. And they're always gonna be in
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: a predom it down the inside. Because gunpowder is a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: hypercent nitrogen. That's probably the most fertilized place on the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: base where all those gunshots should going. Verst blowing that
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: gun smoke, and they will be our our trap ranges
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: or anything else. You'll see a ton of deer on
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: the big shooting ranges, usually because it's super fertilized with nitrogen. Interesting,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: very interesting. I want to take one step back to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: the the original question that that food plot where you're
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: getting the daylight pictures, but then every time you go
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: in there the next day, he's not there, even though
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: he was daylight the day before, and you mentioned, you know,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: you should do a little bit of oh, I don't know,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: kind of assess your access and think about, you know,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: am I blowing him out? Am I learning him some way?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I've sometimes thought about that and and just not known,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and I've been mad. I don't know. I don't know
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: if I am. I don't think I am. But I've
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: sometimes thought, I'm just gonna throw a curveball. I'm just
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: gonna take a completely different route than I ever have,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: and it may be way longer, way more pain in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the butt. Maybe it will hurt me in other ways.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: But I have sometimes thought, like, hey, just try something
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: completely different than you always do because something's not quite
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: working in that way. UM, do you ever consider that,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: do you ever do something like that. I do, but
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I will admit it's usually out of frustration and often
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: not the best choice. I mean, if you've got a
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: planned route, you're pretty confident it's not learning dear, your
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: your buddies dropping you off. You're walking down the road
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: or whatever, versus going through the bushes and brush and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: making a lot of noise and leaving a lot of
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: scent on stuff you're wiping on getting there. Probably not
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: the best I'm not saying it hasn't worked for people,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: but probably not the best idea. I would probably be
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: more likely to if I had an extra stand. I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: need to pull that stand just moving if I if
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I have truck in or pictures in. The buck again
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: always comes in from the west. I'm gonna move down
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: in the in the timber fifty yards and see if
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: the staging out there out of view of me. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense, uh, speaking of bucks
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: out of are kind of out of range, but maybe
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: in view. I've got another scenario here that speaks to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: her that, you know, I think we can speak to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: what to do in a situation where there's that buck
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: that's out of range. Let's say, continuing down the calendar.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Late October, We're sitting in a tree stand somewhere and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: we see a mature buck that you're interested in shooting.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: But he's about a hundred yards away, and he is
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: on a path that if he were to continue about
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: another one hundred yards, he'll eventually pass through your wind. So,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: in this scenario, late October, hundred yard away shooter buck,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: but heading towards your wind eventually, what's your go to move?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna aggressively call? Are you gonna not call
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: at all because you're worried he'll eventually circle down wind?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: What's your take? How do you handle that? Yeah, that's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: a great question mark, And and one of the most
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: important things about calling or running is considering to win
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: and the buck's likely path. I think that's more important
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: than the actual call you're using. Um So, if he's
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: a hundred yards from hitting my wind, I'm probably gonna
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: grunt because I'm gonna gamble. He's gonna turn. He's not
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: coming straight to me, but he's gonna turn and get
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: shooting range before he cuts my wind. If he's third
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: yards from hit my win, his arc is probably gonna
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: take him into my win and I'm just I'm not
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: gonna add I'm not gonna let him pinpoint me by calling,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna let him hit my win and
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: and wish he had. Yeah. So I I used to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: grunt call launch, one of my favorite tools. I don't
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: blind grunt much because unless I'm just in a stand,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: are you on my backs to a river or highway
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: or something, They're just not getting behind me, very likely
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: blind calling. I had a really good friend, Selver, really
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: good friend Mickey Helixon, did a bunch of work with
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: jeep or radio collars and rattling on a large ranch
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: in Texas, really high dollar research when we were both
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: were in grad school many years ago. And I don't
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: remember his acting numbers, just like thirty years ago. But
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I think as many bucks circle around him, he they
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: would have observers up in these thirty ft tall stands,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: and he'd be on the ground rattling, and he only
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: saw like remember bucks, because the rest come in from
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: behind him and winning him. So but the bucks he
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: saw where bucks he had to see out in front
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: of him with a positive win and rattled, and they
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: did come in and he saw them. So I'm a
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: little selective when I use my grunt, but I have
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: no problem throwing it out there as long as I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: think the bucks natural path is going to get to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: me before at least in shot range, before he cuts
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: my wind? Is there? And I know it's just you
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: probably don't have a hard line, But is there any
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: kind of if you had to put a number on
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: it about what distance is that that that buck needs
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: to be away from hitting your wind where you'll feel comfortable.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: You mentioned that thirty yards will be too close, but
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: is there a maximum? Like? Is it sixty? Is it?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Is it? What would that never be? No? I think
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: it kind of depends on the lay of land. You
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: can kind of look up there in envision. Wear's a
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: buck most likely to travel? You know? Is there a
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: bunch of rocks or a fence or something that's gonna
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: turn him towards you a little sooner? I think that's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: a side by side. I will tell you one time, Uh,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I was hunting on a property where we really needed
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: to remove a lot of females and a female six
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: month old deer come in and you know, Landard just said, hey, Grant,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: and you're shooting buck you want? But I really need
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to shooting. Never know, you can in the States really
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: liberal seasons, and still sure enough, you know, thirty four
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: minutes for a dark, this young of the year female
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: comes in, gets about seven yards away, and I said,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: well that's what the you know, my my host told
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: me to do. So I launched a narrow and it
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: it dies seven yards behind me. They're like, okay, one
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: one tag down, think about and it's just, you know,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: it's prime. Now we're twenty minutes from dark and food
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: pot behind me, acorns in front of me. I'm it's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: it's a good setup, sitting there, setting there and fair enough.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I look over in a a very mature DearS easing
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: up to ridge. He's down there by eight yards and
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: he's kind of coming a direction that's gonna bring him
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: behind me to that faun and stood in my shooting lane,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm going, oh my goodness, this is horrible. I mean,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a four day hunt. Here comes
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: a nice buck, but it looks like he's gonna miss
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: my shooting lane and over that fun and that's exactly
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: what happens. And it's important, member, dear, do not associate
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: dead animals land around like we might associate find a
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: dead person in the woods while we're hunting or something
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: at all. So he walks up and this is way
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: preru reil, early season. I can't get a shot to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: the back of the tree brush. I didn't trim me
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: limbs out the back, and he's smelling the fawn and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: you know, doing the normal buck thing like oh my gosh,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: this is just you know, so close but so far
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: away and um. Then he walked over and smelled my arrow,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: which he wasn't expecting, and that kind of alert him
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and he kind of just started cut
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: and half circle, and when the half circle hit my range,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I poked one through the boiler room. So in that case,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: in that particular case, being patient work, but I didn't
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: grunt because I thought the grunt was out of season.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: It's early season, and the smell of that female on
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: the ground was too much of a combination and it
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: just worked out right. And and by the way, I'd
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: like to share here that about twenty of the mature
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: bucks I've tagged since I've been on enough to keep
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: records have been tagged out of that same standard blind
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: that I had already harvested a dough that hunt, not
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: a week before, not the day before that same hunt,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: like an hour before or thirty minutes before. And I've
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: never had a big buck come in and bust out
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: there because there was a dead dough laying on the ground.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I just hope if I'm firing hunting, I double shoulder
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: shoot and try to drop him right there. It within range.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I don't want him running over the hill. And in
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: my mind, that is the best attractant I've ever used,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: was a dough harvested during that same hunt. Do you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: ever get him? I guess, I mean, I guess that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: example you just shared. Have you ever had other situations
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: where the buck smells that dough and comes right into
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: arrange to that spot and stops me? Oh? Many times
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: we have many episodes showing down. Yeah, I mean every
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: it seems like every year here, one of me or
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: one of my guests, whatever has that scenario right here
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: on the proving grounds every year. Because we try to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: harvest a lot of dos and my neighbors try to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: harvest a lot of bucks, you kind of find that
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: balanced in there. And uh, I mean it's happened that
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: my daughters and Daniel and myself multiple times and these
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: are you tend to be often pretty mature bucks, and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: they're walked right in there, especially during the rut Missouri's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: farm seasons during the rut, and they're poked her antlers
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: inner and try to get her stand up. They do
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: not associate death like we do. I find it dead
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: human out there in the you know, in the timber.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I'm freaking out and you know, calling the cops or something.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: But beer just do not have that response up it all. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: it's a good reminder. What about this one? This is
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: this is kind of a different iteration of that shot
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: example I mentioned earlier. You know, I talked about you
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: get the shot that's not necessarily as great a hit
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: as you wanted. YadA, YadA, YadA. What about a situation?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Will say, it's early November, it's a morning hunt. You
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: get a shot of deer and you just miss completely.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: You blank on this buck. The buck runs off. What
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: do you do in the hours following that, Let's say
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: the misses like nine am. What do you do from
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: nine am through the rest of that day. Do you
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: just keep on hunting or do you back out and
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: go home and shoot? Do you do anything to check
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: what's going on? What would you be thinking about or
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: considering or doing after a misslike that on the I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: am early November. Yeah, so I think most of us,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: if we're honest with ourselves, we know we shut our
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: eyes or punched the trigger. You know, we did something
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: and then they heated a battle. It's a little tougher
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: to uh sort that out. But if I whipped the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: shot I missed, I'm the blame, not the bow, not
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: decide I missed. I'm right there in the tree, and
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I do a lot talking to myself about my confidence
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: because my confidence is the the most the worst part
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: of my shooting skill at that time. If if I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: turned around to the cameraman or just think myself, Manna,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: the pin was solid, it was just setting there. How
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: did I miss that thing? Then I'm probably getting down
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: it and probably what I would do. I didn't have
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: a squirrel. I'm a hillbilly, so I didn't have a
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: squirrel al like Wuever. I don't know if you know
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: a squirrel areas something. It's dumb or something, But it's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: gonna be tuned. I take tuning very serious, and it's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: gonna fly like my broad heads and I'm gonna back out.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Are she right from the tree there? You know, I'm
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: gonna find a rotten stump or something and I'm gonna
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: whip it. And if I hit, then I go, well,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: I did just miss. And if I also miss a
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: foot or two or ten ft or whatever it was,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm going home and tune them. What about that
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: self talking you mentioned, like, if your confidence is shot,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: you're gonna kind of talk to yourself, like what goes
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: on in the head of grant Woods after a whiff?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: How do you psych yourself up? How do you shake
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: yourself out of it? What does that look like? Mark?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sixty one and I've had two kidney transplants. I'm
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: in great health, as you know. Uh, but I'm too
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: old and had laid during the bed too many times
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: waiting for it to go beep them next time to
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: make excuses in my life anymore so for me personally,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna own my heirs. That's just something I lived
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: by and so I'm gonna admit but and usually I
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: whipped it. Here as a bow hunter, here's my thing.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I I have pretty good warm after all these years,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, I shoot decent them. I can make
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: it happen. When I air, I shut my eyes target panting.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: After all these years, it didn't matter if I'm shooting
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: at a target or a deer or a hog or whatever.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: When I missed, it's like nine, it's never the bow's fault,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: almost because I have my bow to and I'm I'm
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: gonna know my equipment. I shut my eyes, and it's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: amazing how far that pen can move between when you
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: you tell your brain release and when you actually release
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: if you shut your eyes. So for me, just personally
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: me again, I'm gonna with the squirrel area arrow and
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell myself, you keep your eyes open. If
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: you know some people tape on their bow, pick a
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: spot or some of those saying like that. Mine is
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: keep your eyes open. And if I keep my eyes open,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: it's it's probably gonna work out just fine. I mean,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: you always, you know, you can drop your bow, booging
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: up your sides. But if I dropped my bow, heaven
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: forbid going into a stand. I'm gonna shoot with my
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: phone light or something. For I ever get up mass stand.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna set there and worry on morning, because
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be a good hunter. Yeah. Yeah, I've
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: been through those situations myself too, and uh and yeah
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: it's no fun, but she's gotta push through it and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: own it and get better. Right. I think for all
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: of us this is maybe a little off target here,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: and no pun intended that if we own our mistakes,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: life just goes a lot easier. So true. One of
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: the most important things I feel like my dad ever
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: taught me was just accept responsibility for stuff. There's no
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: better way to deal with something than accept it, take responsibility,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: and do something about them. Let's take I'm gonna I'm
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: on your dime here, but I'm gonna take this one
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: step further, please do uh. I have a counselor, not
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: a counselor, but a wise person that teaches me a lot,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: and his statement is your lack of responsibility becomes someone
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: else's responsibility. And I think when it's framed like that,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: at least to me, I'm I'm gonna be better accepting
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: my own responsibility. Yeah, out of out of almost the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: guilt of forcing that obligation on someone else. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: you know, take a simple thing, Okay, I my wife's
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: been take care of her dad, and I leave a
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: mess in a scenk and she's had a long day
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: and she comes home, she's got clean it up. That's
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: the way off subject. But you know, hecky, I'll take
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: five minutes clean it up. Take care of your own responsibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: we'd be We've all been in a much better place,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: I think if we could always live that way. Right.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: It's one of those sometimes easier saidly done things. But man,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: absolutely a lot of truth to that. Okay, I got
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: a few more of these for you, Grant, and then
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I'll let you let you off the hook. Let's talk
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: through one thing that happens every I don't know, three
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: or four or five years, it seems across the country,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: and people always bemoan it, which is we get to,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: you know, the peak of the when it's spoke us
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: to be the best part of the hunting season, you know,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: that first week or two in November. Let's say, for
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: this scenario, will say November seven, right, And a lot
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: of people like to say that's maybe the best day
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: of the year. Sure, I've heard of luck. Yeah, but
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: here's the catch. Conditions are poor. We've got the hot, muggy,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: nasty November that when people get it, they're just so
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: bummed because they sunk their week of vacation time into it.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Let's say November seven through the twelfth and thirteen is
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: going to be in the you know, whatever it is
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: for your area. Let's say it's gonna be the sixties
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: or seventies, which is too hot. Will you dramatically change
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: the way you hunt that week out of the usual
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: because of the temperatures, or you can hunt your usual
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: primo red spots despite it. No, I probably will. And
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: it's not that the deer aren't moving. You know. I
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: was involved in a research project many years ago, university stuff,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: and several of US researchers around America put together about
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: fourteen thousand fetal date So humans go to the doctor
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: and they take an ultrasound and mas your crown to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: rump of a fetus and tell you your baby's gonna
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: be born. Ex you can also back date to the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: point of conception. And so for deer, we we really
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: know where they breed in most areas. Some states don't
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: take very specific data. But that's not a mystery. You
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: don't have to print a new calendar every year. We
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: know what's going on and so you're gonna know the
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: peak or to rain angel whatever. But if it's just
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: really hot and you know, deer got fat on and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: they're you know, they're in really good shape. No one
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: likes running a sprint when there's you know, got a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: big down code on. So they're probably gonna move a
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: little bit more at night, but they're still moving. It's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: the prom You're going to the prom um. But I'm
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt areas where because it's warm and muggy, my
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: sense is gonna be really tough to control. And maybe
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: on code days, I got some areas where the thermals
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: are sinking down and I can slide in there in
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: the colde morning, do good. I'm gonna avoid those areas.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: My number one thing year round or what during hunting
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: season is not to alert deer because there's alway almost
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: always another day, right unless it's the last day of season,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: there's another day. But if you're alerted deer and book
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: rug this pattern for a week or two, it's really tough, honey.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to hunt that that week that time.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I'm in the Midwest also, so you know, Halloween to November,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out there somewhere and and in the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: conditions are rough, I'm still gonna be out there, but
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really picky about where I put my
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: stand so dere can get within range. M Are there
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: any other types of areas that you would think would
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: be more attractive at that time of you're like, I
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: mean some people would say hunting more towards water on
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: those hotter right days, anything like that. Yeah, I think
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: there's there's goodie that. I mean. I like to put
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: all the odds in my favor. So water in a
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: bottleneck that's just uh down with in of a bedding area,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: So a bucks cruising through there looking for a receptive
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: dough and you can get a drink loaned away. Uh
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna put two or three things together,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: not just one thing. Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember who
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: said this, but I remember hearing from someone once where
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: they said that they will never sit a stand or
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: a tree or blind or anything unless there's three really
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: really good reasons to be there. There's got to be
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: at least three travel corridors or three you know, motivations
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: for a deer to be in that exact spot. And
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: that's always helped me really fine tune things. It shouldn't
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: be just like oh there's one trail. It's gotta be
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: this and this and this all lined up right, you know.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: And so there's there's so many more factors, like, you know,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: you're in southern Ireland, there's food everywhere early season. Food
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: may not be the big play, right and you're in
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: the smoky mountains and there's not much food anywhere. Food
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: is a huge play on the exact same day, same conditions.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: So we really need to do some consideration of multiple
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: factors when we oft how we're gonna hunt, the techniques
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: we're gonna use that day. Yeah, yeah, so true. I
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: want to ask you about something that once caused you
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: to get hate mail from what I hear. Um. Let's
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: say you're out, it's later in the year. Now it's
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: gun season, which in Missouri, what that opens somewhere in
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: mid mid November, right November to Thanksgiving. Yeah, yeah, so
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: it's guns season and you're hunting a spot. It's kind
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: of you can see down to a brushy kind of opening,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: and your big shooter buck you've been after, steps out
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: in that brush stuff and it's a mixture of grass
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and some you know, some woody, browsy kind of stuff.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: That buck is within the shooting range. He stopped, he's broadside,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: but his vitals are covered with some of that grass
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  Speaker 1: and brush. You can see through it. You can even
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: see his shoulder, but there is stuff in and around it.
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  Speaker 1: And you would have to punch through some of that grass,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: some of that rush with your fire room. Would you
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  Speaker 1: take that shot? And why or why not? Yeah? So
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  Speaker 1: I did have that ZAC scenario, as you know, and
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: I did not, and man I got loaded up with
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  Speaker 1: hay mill hold. I didn't know. There is that many
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: ways to call a biologist to it, but the TASTI um.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. We used to teach some deer
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  Speaker 1: hunting schools and we would take and this isn't exactly
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  Speaker 1: like grass, it's pretty dog on clothes. We would take
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: eighth inch doll rods, so real flimsy doll rods, a
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: little wooden rods, and drill holes in the tubah fours
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  Speaker 1: and just dack these little doll rods in there. So
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: a thirty caliber bullet just couldn't get you. Either hit
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  Speaker 1: it in the middle because I'm not that great a shot,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: or hit it on the edge. You were not passing
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  Speaker 1: a bullet through two ft of these doll rods without
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: hitting one. You may barely wing it, you may center
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  Speaker 1: punch it. And we put it out there to hundred yards,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: and then we put a you know, great big old
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: targets paper moving paper actually at one meter and three
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  Speaker 1: meters or one yard and three yards behind it, and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: at one yard behind it. We used to hit the paper,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: but not where we're raiming. You hit the deer in
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: the bud or the nose or something like that. Go
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  Speaker 1: above and boat blowing at three meters. We usually didn't
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  Speaker 1: cut paper. That bullet was turning sideways so fast wore
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: three O thirty six. So a lot of that hate
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: mail had to do with I was choosing the three
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  Speaker 1: O eight and I you know, a lot of words
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  Speaker 1: with a few uh agities. Not included was you're not
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  Speaker 1: shooting a bow, shoot through the grass. You're not shooting
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: a bb guns shoot through the grass. You know, if
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  Speaker 1: you're if the three O eight won't do it, take
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  Speaker 1: you a three d wind mag And I will say,
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  Speaker 1: only way a hundred senty pounds. I'm not shooting a
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  Speaker 1: three hunder wind maag in a white tilt here um.
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  Speaker 1: But the bottom line is bullets or you know, picking number.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: They're moving two or three thousand feet a second, depending
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: on how you're loaded, what you're shooting, and you think
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: about anything moving that fast. It doesn't have to hit
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: hardly anything to change its course. And the bullet is
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: a long cylindril shape. So if it just gets just
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: ever so slightly out of straight straight towards the target,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's it's creating an eddy. It
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: gets a lot of wind on one side, the direction
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: is going, and it's creating an eddy on the off side.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Like if you have a canoe, if you're fisherman or
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: kayak or whatever, and you want to cross a pretty
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: fast stream, just go straight across it. You put your
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: canoe or kayaking there at forty five degrees. You don't
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: have to paddle. It is just shoots you straight across
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: because it's pushing on one side and making the eddy
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: on the other, and it just takes you straight across. Well,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what happens with a bullet quickly, within inches.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: So I passed that deer. I ended up harvesting him
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: last year years later with a bow, which was much
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: more thrilling because he was so odious and a smaller rack.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: But gosh, I have chased that deer for many, many years,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: and for me and just the responsibility I personally accept
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: as a hunter, I'm not gonna risk wounding the deer
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: versus harvesting the deer. So I did give that deer pass,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: and I hope I would do the same thing again,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: um with no matter what caliber I'm shooting. And and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: I just realized through personal experience and through talking with
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: the engineers at various AMMO plants, that bullets deflect easily.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: There's not really a brush gun. So I'm like, well,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I got dad, he's oh forty five seventy here. I
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: just shoot through whatever you know I shoot. I hear
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: stort a time. I got this email a bunch. Well,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: I've shot through a bunch of three inch saplings and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: killed deer. Man, you can't keep from hitting a three
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: inch sapling. You better go to rain some more. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: for me, in my level of respect for the creators
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  Speaker 1: what I want to do in life, I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: take that shot. Yeah. I think very often the best
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: shot taken is is none. And uh, respect to you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: a lot for doing that. It's always one of those
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: things that's easier said than done. And in that moment
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: when something you want so badly is right there, it's
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to have that self control. But but
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: you're right, you can't you can't ever get a bullet
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: back and you don't want to go south. So yeah,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: and when I was young, and I took some a
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: few shots and didn't recover, dear, So I've learned that lesson.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not I am not perfect. And you know, when
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: I was young, I was like every other hill Bill
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: and yours arts. I had my lever action thirty thirty,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: thinking we were gonna do a man drive on National
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Force when there was no brakes, no openings, no nothing.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: You know, that's just how we hunted it. So I've
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: had the advantage to learn him some of those lessons
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: through time and and and the victory the you know,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: the glory of the victory to me is not equal
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: to the pain of defeat. So I just don't want
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  Speaker 1: to wound an animal if I can avoid it, if
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I can put the odds of my favor to avoid it. Yeah,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: so true, all right, Uh, this one's not really a
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: hypothetical scenario. But I gotta ask you about it anyways,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: because it's so intriguing to me. Um, I've heard you
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: talk about hunting like a bobcat. Could you could you
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: explain to me what what you mean by that? What
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: does it mean to hunt like a bobcat? How do
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: you do that? And like what's the situation when you
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: would actually take that approach? Love hunting like a bobcat.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: So bobcats, you know, they may have a DN. They
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: don't go to same den every day, or usually don't.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: They got two or three places, been on wind direction
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: or coyote scenario, whatever, but they you get them on
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: your choking. If you're in bobcat country, you get pictures
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: of bobcast just walking logging roads all time. They're just
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: they're just moving down the road and never they get
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: in their hunting areas. Not one area they bobcats. Based
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: on GPS scholars, when I tend to hunt here today
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: and there tomorrow during Mar's like, they know, while I've
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: been through there, I I swooped the game. I need
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: to hunt a different area next day. And I'm not
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: saying that's what they do, but that's what the data
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: seems to show. And so they're just cruising until they
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: get to their hunting place and then when they're hunting
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: up most hunters have seen this in a standard blind man.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: It's it's not take ten steps in the next and stop,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: it's step stop, step stop, set down, look, stop stop.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: They spend more time still than they do moving. So
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: we call this and we call it spot and stock.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: But bobcat hunting is actually stalking trying to spot. We're
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: stalking trying to spot, and with the boat, it's a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: real thrill when you get when you walk up within
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: thirty yards of a bed of deer feeding deer. My goodness,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: you just had about a hundred fifty inches to that rat.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Because there's gonna be an awesome experience. I mean that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: that hundred inch deear it comes at two fifty every
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: day of a month um and and I love doing
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: this in habitat. That's quite enough to let you do it.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a bone dry day in October
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: with six inches of oakley as you're not gonna do
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: it very well with the boat, but get some moisture
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: or down south, you know they thin about every fifth
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: rold pines very commonly, and I love getting on the
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: end of that pine stand where you know, where the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: winds in my face and just creeping up and barely
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: peeking around the corner and you know, maybe see a
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: deer too, fall are dear, you don't want to harvest,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: and you slide through there and go to the next
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: row and you finally find a deer you want the harvest.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Then you back up one row and you know, cut
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: that distance and then just barely quietly stock within range.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: That's just a thrilling for me. Way to hunt, just thrilling.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: You're not sitting to you're not looking at your phone,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: you're kind of you know, your predator mode every second.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: And and years ago, many years ago, I was something
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: with a buddy on public land and western Kansas, one
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: of the first years they allowed non resident hunters a
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: hunt out there. And we were just setting in a
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: big old public area of native grass. It was too
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: tall for me to see over it. Setting down. I
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: remember sclearly, and I'm kind of a tall guy, and
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I stood out like a sore thumb if I stood up,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: So I was crouching all morning. It's very uncomfortable crouch
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: and looking crouching looking and about nine thirty or so
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: there was some bagg fields down the bottom and this
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: public land on top. And we saw this to me
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: really good leaving point bud just giant shoulders. End up
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: playing about three hundre pounds come up in this c
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: r P and um bed down and in CRP in
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: one night there is a tree or a landmark. He
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: just beds down about six dred yards away. We're looking
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: across the valley we were hunting for this purpose, sitting
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: on one side looking into the other side. They were like,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it really happened. And so we're all
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: exided and and we can't go straight to him. So
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: we drive around a section line, get the wind right,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: and you can't see anything, and the bedded buck and
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: you know, five ft tall Swiss grass, you can't see anythings.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: So we're crawling and peeking over and looking, and about
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: eighty yards out my buddy sees something not moving and
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: it ended up being a time to this buck, and
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: we crawl on up there and we get up there.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: It's just such a cool hunt. Get about I don't know,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: fifty yards away. I happened to be hunting with a
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: recurve at a time, and uh, spot a cock feasant
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: between us and the buck. We're afraid to flush that peasants.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: We just lay there until he feeds on through. My
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: buddy stays back and I'm you know, elbows and knees,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: barely pushing and pushing my bow in front of me.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: And he's laying and this is so typical for big bucks.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Right below an old terrace, so she's to be nagg
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Field years ago and highly erosion prone soils. There's a
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: big terrace and he's laying night blow it and I
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: get to the top side and this, this is a
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: large deer, and I'm just like, for three minutes, I'm
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: just an awe. I've never been that close to a wild,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: free ranging big buck. I'm just I'm sure my buddy's thinking,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: why is wrong the woods? Why is this shop? And
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: and finally I realized I was under with a sixty
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: inch black widow recurve. And when I'm laying on the ground,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: I can't pull the thing back right. I mean, it's
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: just too much grass and away and stuff. So he's awake.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like they do head up too, and
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: this could and he's got this hell to his back
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: and he's just moving his head about thirty degrees watching
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: the front. And finally I just said, okay, when he
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: gets to the farthest one side, start swinging back on
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: my stand up and shooting one motion. Of course, with
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: a recurve. I'm an instinctive shooter. He just pull it
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: back and launch right. And so that's what I did,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: and I pegged this big old buck and it was
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: such a super high stimulation hunt that that's when I
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: started trying to hunt like a Bobcap. And again, you know,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: if I don't think it's any deer in the area,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I'm getting to where some deer in the area, and
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: I'm slowing the way down, and I do more looking
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: than I do walking, and not if the wind changes,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: I changed my direction. I got my little puffer bottle
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever, going leaves whatever. I just keep the wind
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: in my face and maybe a big acorn flat and
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: I think, well, I think deer passed through here about
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: eight thirty nine and morning being acorns and I cam
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: feder Roe Street or going through. I love hunting like
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: a Bobcap. And even with the bow folks being shipped
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: thirty yards and I would say the number one thing
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: is wind direction. The number two things patients, all my
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: buddies want to go too fast. Well, Grant, I don't
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: see any deer and hunter yards ahead of us. Let's
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: just walk the next on the yards. Are you making
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: so much noise? I mean I'm going step of time
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: and I actually see as many deer to my side
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: as I do in front of me. Or just come
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: into yoursel. You just get a tree, betune you and
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: then let them walk by. M Yeah, I can see
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: the appeal. I've I've gotten more and more willing to
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: try things on the ground like that, and it continues
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: to prove to be a lot of fun and surprisingly effective.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: So I love it. You know, so few people hunt
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: like that anymore. It's almost like their guard is down
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: on that, right. I mean, yeah, I really enjoy it.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: I highly recommend if you you know anyone, to at
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: least give it a try, just once and see if
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: you don't really like it. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Alright, Grant,
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  Speaker 1: I got a final set of rapid fire questions, just
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: looking for like a like a one word or couple
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: word answer. We'll bounce through these really quick, and then
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: you will have made it through with the gauntlet. Okay,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: so here's here's the final rundown. You're ready, Yes, sir, okay?
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Does the moon matter to dear movement? Yes? Or no? No?
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: tail with your bow? No? If you could only have
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: one of these tools for the rest of your hunts
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: for the rest of your life, would you select Rattley,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: Antler's or grunt tube to expandable or fixed blade broadheads?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: I'll go through it. I currently use fixed blade. Yeah.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Should you stop a moving buck with some kind of
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: sound before shooting with a bow? Yes? M Which state
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: has better hunters? Missouri or Georgia? Oh lord, I'm gonna
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: get individual. All right, here's the last thing. Let's imagine
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: for a second that I have control of the world.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: I rule the world, I have a magic on and
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: I am going to revoke You're hunting privileges grant for
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: the next twenty years unless you kill a mature buck
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: in one single day this coming season. So you get
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: one day. I need you to pick the date on
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: the calendar. What day are you gonna pick for this hunt?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: And then please give me details of the one specific
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: location that you're gonna pick for this very high stakes
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: hunt November five, Western Kansas, where it's wide open and
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: the travel corridors are probably obvious for Mars love it.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: I love it? What kind of what kind of like
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: paint for me? Like the tree stand location more more detailed,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: might be a ground bind. There's not a lot of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: trees in western Kansas. Um And again, I'm gonna want
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: three things. I'm gonna want a couple of trails merging
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: into maybe a fence gap. And and typically my hunt's
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: out there will have a CRP field that I think
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: dear betting in and the bean ralph alpha field where
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: I think they're feeding. And I'm gonna be in between
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: in the smallest gap I can find on the satellite image.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna walk. Typically this is a creek bottom.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna walk the whole thing. I'm gonna find
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: the narrowest gap so the buck is unlikely to pass
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: out of range. That's also favorable for the wind. And
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: I love those Western creep bombs because they tend to
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: not be straight but wind a lot, So somewhere in
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: that bottom the wind is gonna be perfect for the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: wind that day Yeah, man, that sounds like a good spot.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: I have confidence in your choice. I think you'll get
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: it done. Grant, that is it. That is the the
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: what would you do gauntlet? You you pass with flying colors.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: Oh you're kind, You're kind. Thank you for being patient
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: with my rambling. Oh no, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Uh
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: for folks that want to follow along with with all
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: the cool stuff you're doing, can you can you feel
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: us in on anything new to look forward to this
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: fall or where we should go to see all your
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: great content? Mark? How about I share something to you
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  Speaker 1: I haven't shared with the rest of the public. So
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  Speaker 1: my life case now, I've been very blessed and through
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  Speaker 1: the years, not all at once, through twenty plus years,
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  Speaker 1: we have accumulated a pretty big piece of land here
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  Speaker 1: in the Ozark Mountains, all timbered roughs, deep, rocky. This
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  Speaker 1: is not you know, high dollar Iowa land. And we
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  Speaker 1: have sold the northern fift hundred acres to close here
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  Speaker 1: in about a couple of weeks, where I've spent the
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  Speaker 1: vast majority of twenty years working and are moving our office.
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  Speaker 1: You've been here, Mark, and our house, all our chill
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  Speaker 1: cameras are hunting equipment to the southern nine hundred acres
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  Speaker 1: where there's nothing, just a couple little food plots, not
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  Speaker 1: all the t s. I not all the burning because
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  Speaker 1: I love a new project. And you know I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: ROM sixty one. I gotta know a good project or
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  Speaker 1: two in me, I believe Lord Willing, and so I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited about starting over and sharing the Because the
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  Speaker 1: techniques I used fifteen years ago I may not use anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I've refined, or I've learned a quicker way or a
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  Speaker 1: cheaper way or whatever. So I am so excited to
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  Speaker 1: start over. And I will tell you, and you get this,
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  Speaker 1: because you're a producer. You don't do something that significant
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  Speaker 1: just to get new content. You don't. This is my
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  Speaker 1: true heart, to really refine. My northern property is not perfect,
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  Speaker 1: but you know we're we're in the ose Arts and
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  Speaker 1: we harvest dog on large bucks for the oz Arts,
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  Speaker 1: and we figured out how to hunt it and we
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  Speaker 1: kind of not the situation. And I'm just looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to the new challenge and and starting over. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's all kind of low grade hardwoods that need to
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  Speaker 1: be improved, and cedars to be cut, and more fire,
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  Speaker 1: more prescribed fire and I probably get done and trails
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  Speaker 1: to make and little higdeo food plots to make. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm super excited about that. Man, I totally get. It's that,
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  Speaker 1: it's the puzzle, it's the mystery, is trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: it all out. That's that's what does it. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: the shot. The trigger pulls just a tiny, tiny little
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  Speaker 1: bit of it. And I'm excited for you. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm still looking forward to it awesome. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure we'll be able to see all that I'm growing
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  Speaker 1: dear this coming fall and next year. You keep working
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  Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, you know, Mark as we uh you know,
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  Speaker 1: we make a new show every week and so we
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  Speaker 1: don't have a production calendar like a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: do that. That's great. I'm glad they do. We're just
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  Speaker 1: filming every week, so we're filming whatever we're doing. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we I have ideas for about ten hideo food plots.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna restart them because we'll be planting about a
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  Speaker 1: month and that means we're you know, killing some saplings
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  Speaker 1: or having a little prescribed fires to make a seed bed.
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  Speaker 1: We're just just come along and see what we do.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like a heck of an interesting thing to
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  Speaker 1: fall along with. Well, Grant, thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I knew this is gonna be great. It proved to
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  Speaker 1: be so. And I really appreciate your sharing this with us. Mark.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate your friendship and I look forward to seeing
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  Speaker 1: you again soon. Let's get together soon. It'd be great
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  Speaker 1: to catch up more in person. I love too, all right,
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  Speaker 1: and that is a app thank you for listening. That
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  Speaker 1: was good, wasn't it. That was fun? It's got me uh,
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  Speaker 1: got me ready? I mean, I am so ready. If
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  Speaker 1: any of you guys have listened this year on the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: you know that last season was a challenging one for me,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: kind of burn out by the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Took a little bit of time away this winter, and
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: I am fully recharged. I am fully jacked to get
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: back after it and uh and this one really helped
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: continue that momentum. So be sure to go following with
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Grant stuff. Like I mentioned already, Growing Dear is a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: terrific YouTube show. Everything he puts out is just top notch.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: There's lots and lots to learn from Graham, so be
• 1:40:36
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  Speaker 1: time my friends, thank you and stay wired.