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Alex Murdaugh, Killer, Swamped With Love Letters Behind Bars, Dodging Payouts to Victims · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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  Speaker 2: Alex Murdog, the name that seemingly will never go away,
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  Speaker 2: believe it or not, we have learned that love letters continue,
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  Speaker 2: and at this moment are pouring in love letters, women
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  Speaker 2: saying things like I think I'm obsessed with you to
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  Speaker 2: Alex Murdog. I guess they didn't read the headline about
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  Speaker 2: him killing his wife and son. Love letters pouring in
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  Speaker 2: now we are getting an idea about the appeal where
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  Speaker 2: Alex and Murdad. Can't you just imagine him right now
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  Speaker 2: in his jail cell, gnashing his teeth and switching his tail,
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  Speaker 2: rubbing his hands together like a fly, thinking about what
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  Speaker 2: grounds he can come up with he can cook up
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  Speaker 2: for appeal, Just one that might stick. And is it
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  Speaker 2: true that the tax man may nudge over the families
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  Speaker 2: of not only Mallory Beach, the teen girl that was
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  Speaker 2: killed on the Murdoch boat, but the family of Gloria Satterfield,
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  Speaker 2: the long time aid helper, housekeeper, babysitter, nanny of the
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  Speaker 2: Murdogs in line for money. The tax Man's gonna get
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  Speaker 2: the money, really, not them, Imancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation in
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  Speaker 2: series XE one eleven, And those are just the tips
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  Speaker 2: of the iceberg about what's happening with Alex and Murdoch.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, he's not behind bars doing anything Worthwhile he's
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  Speaker 2: doing all this, he's probably reading his love letters right now.
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  Speaker 2: Who may I ask take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 2: at Fox Carolina and nees.
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  Speaker 3: Access some messages send to Alec Murdock since he's been
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  Speaker 3: in prison. A Murdoch was sentenced to two consecutive life
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  Speaker 3: sentences last month for killing his wife, Maggie's Paul. From
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  Speaker 3: women reaching out to offer legal advice, extend friendship, and even.
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  Speaker 2: Express love for Murdoch.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Lacey says, quote, Hi, Alec, let me start off
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  Speaker 3: by saying that I am so so sorry this happened
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  Speaker 3: to you. You don't know me, and I don't know you,
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  Speaker 3: and I hope that this does not come off as
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  Speaker 3: weird that I'm reaching out to you. I apologize if
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  Speaker 3: it does, I'm unable to get you.
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  Speaker 2: Off my mind. Okay, number one, it is weird. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sorry if this comes off as weird, Well, it is weird,
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  Speaker 2: And Lacey, you got this completely bass awkwards. I feel
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  Speaker 2: bad for you that you can't get Alex Murdoch off
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  Speaker 2: your mind in a romantic way. I can't get him
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  Speaker 2: off my mind. And a horrible husband, murder's wife and
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  Speaker 2: son way. But yeah, it's weird and that's not the
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  Speaker 2: only one. Take a listen now to Justin Dherty Fox
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  Speaker 2: Carolina Well.
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  Speaker 3: Mary says, quote, Hello, Alec, hope you're managing okay, let
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  Speaker 3: me know if I can send you any commissary, I'll
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  Speaker 3: be sending a postcard you're way tomorrow, loyally yours. Mary
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  Speaker 3: Nicolette says, quote, I think I love you. I think
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  Speaker 3: about you all day every day. Those are two separate messages,
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  Speaker 3: and she also sent another message saying that she was
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  Speaker 3: embarrassed that she said that she's terrified of the day
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  Speaker 3: that he sees them. But it's too late now, so
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  Speaker 3: hopefully he responds. That was her third message, And again
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  Speaker 3: that's just a glimpse of a few of those messages.
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  Speaker 2: We have thirty two.
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  Speaker 3: Of them, and most of the people sending the messages
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  Speaker 3: to him were on his side, saying they think he
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  Speaker 3: is innocent and that it was somebody else who killed
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  Speaker 3: Maggie and Paul, and they look forward to his appeal
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  Speaker 3: and they hope that he's successful.
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  Speaker 2: Lacey, Mary, Nicolette, and so many others. I've got letters
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  Speaker 2: right here in front of me. Ladies, you need to
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  Speaker 2: go get a job, and if you already have a job,
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  Speaker 2: you need to get a second job or something to
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  Speaker 2: fill up your time. To doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst,
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  Speaker 2: joining us out of Beverly Hills, star up Blinging Empire
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  Speaker 2: on Netflix. You can find it at doctor Bethany Marshall
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  Speaker 2: dot com. What is wrong with these women?
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  Speaker 4: Nancy? There are two common features of women who fall
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  Speaker 4: in love with men who are incarcerated.
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  Speaker 2: I think I love you well.
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  Speaker 4: One feature is that they always think that the court
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  Speaker 4: system got it wrong and that their quote unquote love
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  Speaker 4: fun is innocent. In fact, they notoriously do not read
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  Speaker 4: the filings or the pleadings. They know no details of
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  Speaker 4: the crime. They do not want to think that that
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  Speaker 4: person is guilty. And then also the idea that the
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  Speaker 4: person is behind bars puts them in a position of
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  Speaker 4: power potentially where they are always know where that person is.
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  Speaker 4: But Nancy, I have read all of these this morning,
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  Speaker 4: way too early, before I had my morning coffee.
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  Speaker 2: They really shouldn't read these on an empty stomach, Doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not an MD, I'm just a JD.
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  Speaker 2: But even I know that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, almost all these women are court watchers, which
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  Speaker 4: I think is interesting because many of them say, look,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not a reporter, so they want Alec Murdoch to
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  Speaker 4: know that they're not after anything but love. Secondly, they're
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  Speaker 4: all fairly obsessive. They report thinking about him day and night.
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  Speaker 4: And I third think the third feature which really stood
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  Speaker 4: out to me is that they had studied the pictures
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  Speaker 4: of Alec, his wife, Maggie, buster Paul, and they saw
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  Speaker 4: a powerful in their eyes, a powerful, influential man with
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  Speaker 4: a beautiful family, and now with the wife and kid
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  Speaker 4: out of the way, they could be number one. So
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  Speaker 4: as with so many almost stocking profiles, they inserting themselves
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  Speaker 4: into somebody else's life where they have no business being
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  Speaker 4: in that life. But I would imagine if I were
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  Speaker 4: able to interview one of these women, I would find
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  Speaker 4: out that they have a prolific fantasy life and that
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  Speaker 4: they're really not living in.
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  Speaker 2: The real world. They're kind of giving me too much
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  Speaker 2: information in the sense that I can't take it all in.
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  Speaker 2: It's like drinking from the fire hydrant, joining me In
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  Speaker 2: addition to doctor Bethany Marshall, Jennifer Wood direct to research
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  Speaker 2: at fitznews dot com. Hey Fitz has been on the
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  Speaker 2: story since the very beginning. Jennifer Wood, I hope you're
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  Speaker 2: sitting down for this one. You may need a cold
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  Speaker 2: compress after this. Take a listen to our friends at
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  Speaker 2: crime Online.
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  Speaker 5: Some of the letters to convictor murderer Alex Murda are
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  Speaker 5: so light and breezy it seems as though the author
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  Speaker 5: has forgotten how they heard about Alex Murda in the
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  Speaker 5: first place. Hi there, my name is Cheyenne. I felt
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  Speaker 5: like I should reach out and say hi. To be honest,
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  Speaker 5: I have no idea why. I figured that you may
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  Speaker 5: need a non judgmental friend. I can be that if
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  Speaker 5: you're interested, we don't have to talk about anything specific.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a boored, thirty one year old female that decided
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  Speaker 5: to write a letter to someone who could use a
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  Speaker 5: friend to If you're interested in chatting, feel free to
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  Speaker 5: write back. If Phil will let me attach a picture
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  Speaker 5: of myself to this, I'll add one just so you
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  Speaker 5: can put a face to the name. It's only fair,
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  Speaker 5: right I don't want to go into too much detail
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  Speaker 5: about myself in the event you decline the communication attempt.
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  Speaker 5: I truly hope to hear back talk soon, Gyan.
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  Speaker 2: But I love the way that Dave Mack from a
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  Speaker 2: crime online put all the inflection in like he is
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  Speaker 2: actually Chyenne attach a picture. Oh, I can only imagine
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  Speaker 2: where that picture is. I imagine it's going to involve
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  Speaker 2: something skin tight with a push up bra factor thrown
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  Speaker 2: in Jennifer Wood. Are they crazy? They? I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: don't sound crazy in their letters. They can speak coherently.
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  Speaker 2: They know how to get posts, write a letter, send
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  Speaker 2: it to the right place. But did they not see
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  Speaker 2: those crime saying photos of Maggie's bullet riddled body and
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  Speaker 2: his own son shot dead.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean the crime scene photos were for the
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  Speaker 6: most part fealed, so they probably didn't. But I mean
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  Speaker 6: the facts of the case are gruesome and very clear
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  Speaker 6: and very public. So it's bizarre. And some of these
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  Speaker 6: women are extremely persistent in their attempts to communicate with them.
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  Speaker 6: They get upset when he doesn't respond. We have yet
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  Speaker 6: to see a response from Elick, and they get very
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  Speaker 6: frustrated when he doesn't respond.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, dear, what do you mean by that? Are these
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  Speaker 2: emails or actual letters?
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  Speaker 6: So they go through it's like a prison. It's like
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  Speaker 6: the prison messaging system, and each prisoner has a tablet
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  Speaker 6: that's highly regulated.
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  Speaker 2: Did you say each prisoner has a tablet like an iPad?
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  Speaker 6: They sure do, and they go through that. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: one woman named Danielle on this round said I went
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  Speaker 6: through studying the account ups. I would just like to
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  Speaker 6: hear from you. I think I've become.
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  Speaker 7: Obsessed with you.
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  Speaker 6: I don't care what you've done. I mean, she just
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  Speaker 6: goes on and on, like over and over.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and Nancy, those tablets also have video conferencing capabilities.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, I think I recognize the voice
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  Speaker 2: of colleague and friend Ery Bland. I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: you're being some that's totally uncharacteristic. Chris McDonald's joining me,
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  Speaker 2: director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, host
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  Speaker 2: of YouTube channel The Interview Room, which is where I
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  Speaker 2: found him, and you can find him not only at
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  Speaker 2: the Interview Room on YouTube, but also at Coldcase Foundation
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  Speaker 2: dot org. Chris, you just brought up a very scary specters.
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  Speaker 2: It's as if a monster raised its ugly head. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to run for the yields. Are you saying
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  Speaker 2: that these tablets have what? Now?
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  Speaker 8: So they have a video conferencing capability? So each inmate
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  Speaker 8: when they have money on you know, quote the books,
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  Speaker 8: then that money can be utilized for not only phone
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  Speaker 8: calls and or video conferencing, as well as email. So
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  Speaker 8: the messaging that you know, he appears to be getting
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  Speaker 8: is coming through one source, right through letters and through email.
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  Speaker 8: But he also if this these you know, type of
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  Speaker 8: relationships start to develop, then he also has the capability
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  Speaker 8: of connecting with them.
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  Speaker 7: Face to pace.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Chris McDonough, I like you a lot. I
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  Speaker 2: respect everything you have to say, but when you start talking,
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  Speaker 2: you make me nauseous. And I'll tell you why. Eric Bland,
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  Speaker 2: Now I got to think about Alex murdog having a
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  Speaker 2: FaceTime with some woman that's obsessed with him, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've got no doubt that they will perform sex acts
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  Speaker 2: on the other end of that video conference. Pay five
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  Speaker 2: dollars a month to cover the cost of the tablet,
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  Speaker 2: says Jackie. Is this true? What Chris McDonald who just
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  Speaker 2: made me nauseous? Thank you Chris McDonald for putting that thought,
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  Speaker 2: that mental picture in my head, Alex Murdogg having facetimed
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  Speaker 2: sex with some deluded woman on the other end? Is
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  Speaker 2: this true?
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.
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  Speaker 2: Eric Bland, Oh, if you could have just seen him.
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  Speaker 2: I was in front of the Carlton County Courthouse ready
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  Speaker 2: to go on air live with the Latest at the
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  Speaker 2: lunch break during the Murdoch trial, and there was a
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  Speaker 2: huge crowd just everywhere, kneeling around behind me, in front
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  Speaker 2: of me, on either side, everybody doing their own thing,
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  Speaker 2: talking about the case. And then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: it says if the crowd parted like the Red Sea
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  Speaker 2: and up walks Eric Bland, you know, bidding adieu hello
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  Speaker 2: to everyone. I mean, this guy was absolutely the ring master.
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  Speaker 2: Eric Bland high profile lawyer and lawyer for Sandy Smith
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  Speaker 2: who was Steven Smith's mom and the Gloria Centerfield family.
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  Speaker 2: He's also co host of Cup of Justice podcast. Eric Bland.
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  Speaker 2: Does Alex and Murdock actually have a tablet with which
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  Speaker 2: he can FaceTime these women?
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  Speaker 7: I have not heard that but I'll tell you, for
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  Speaker 7: once in the most recent history, I am speechless after
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  Speaker 7: hearing these, these love letters and love inquiries. It really
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  Speaker 7: troubles me that, you know, these women, something must have
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  Speaker 7: happened in their life to make them want to do this,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, at the same time, I'm disgusted by it.
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  Speaker 7: But I do feel sorry for these women.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, somehow I don't feel sorry for them.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, something did happen in their lives. I will jump
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  Speaker 4: in about that really quickly. So there's some research that's
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  Speaker 4: been done on women who fall in love with men
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  Speaker 4: who are behind bars that suggest that some of these
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  Speaker 4: women have been raised in households where there was fools
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  Speaker 4: in love and violence, where the people who love them
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  Speaker 4: also beat them re abuse him. So the idea of
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  Speaker 4: love and violence being fused or going hand in hand
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  Speaker 4: is something that's deeply sort of embedded in their psyches.
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  Speaker 2: Dodger, Bethany, if you and Eric Bland are trying to
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  Speaker 2: make me feel sorry for these women that are giving
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  Speaker 2: Alex Marloch money for his FaceTime adventures, it's not working.
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  Speaker 2: And if they've got time to write Alex Marlock of
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  Speaker 2: all people, then they've got too much time on their hands.
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  Speaker 2: As you all know, the idle mind is the devil's workshop. Guys.
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  Speaker 2: If that's not enough, take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 2: at crime Online.
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  Speaker 5: Alex Murdau is getting male behind bars. Some of it
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  Speaker 5: is quite shocking. This one dated March sixth, twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: three from Darla. First, I want to say you had
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  Speaker 5: a beautiful family and a very prominent family. Indeed only
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  Speaker 5: others could dream of having. Just for a day, your
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  Speaker 5: trial had me confused. It seemed to be about alleged
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  Speaker 5: financial crimes, not a murder trial. I feel you are
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  Speaker 5: not a murderer. However, you did steal people's money. Why
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  Speaker 5: would the judge allow your financial stuff. There's no proof
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  Speaker 5: you killed your family in my opinion. Also, the prosecutor
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  Speaker 5: lying to the grand jury about your shirt. That's pretty
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  Speaker 5: much what I have to say. Take care, Darling.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm glad she wasn't sitting on the jury,
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  Speaker 2: and apparently she is an esteemed member of the South
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  Speaker 2: Carolina Supreme Court, Eric Bland, because she is now commenting
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  Speaker 2: on his appellate grounds. The financial crimes and even the
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  Speaker 2: fact that she's convinced to state lied about Alex Mardog's shirt.
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  Speaker 2: I mean she's a court watcher.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, there's no question. And all this does will feed
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  Speaker 7: to Alex's narcissistic personality instead of him being reflective in prison.
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  Speaker 7: I think all these different things are going to feed
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  Speaker 7: his narcissism, you know, the frivolous appeals, some of the
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  Speaker 7: frivolous motions that are made, you know, the answer, and
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  Speaker 7: the nautilist insurance come case. And I'm sure we'll talk
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  Speaker 7: about all this, and certainly the more learned people on
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  Speaker 7: this program who are doctors will be able to tell
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  Speaker 7: about it. But it just beeds, know as narcissism enough.
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  Speaker 4: Don't you think it's interesting that this particular woman talks
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  Speaker 4: about the fact that he had a beautiful family, one
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  Speaker 4: that some people could only hope to have for a day.
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  Speaker 4: And that tells me the motivation of this particular woman
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  Speaker 4: is that she's probably somebody who's unable to form a
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  Speaker 4: family or meaningful relationships of her own, so she's kind
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  Speaker 4: of injecting herself into his notoriety. You know. To her,
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  Speaker 4: he's like mister Biggs on Sex and the City. He's
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  Speaker 4: the man, and he is the holder of everything and
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  Speaker 4: if she could just be a part of his life
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  Speaker 4: for even a minute, it would give her life.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning. Okay, guys, I'm just going to apply one more. Okay, listen,
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  Speaker 2: this is Lacy again.
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  Speaker 5: Many of the letters Allen's murda is getting behind bars
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  Speaker 5: are very supportive of an express belief that he is
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  Speaker 5: not guilty. This one is from Lacey. Hi, Alex, let
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  Speaker 5: me start off by saying that I am so sorry
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  Speaker 5: this happened to you. I am unable to get you
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  Speaker 5: off my mind. I followed the trial and all of
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  Speaker 5: the media coverage that has surrounded everything. It is heartbreaking
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  Speaker 5: that we live in a world where this kind of
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  Speaker 5: injustice happens to people. I want you to know that
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  Speaker 5: there are still people out here who are non judgmental,
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  Speaker 5: kind and compassionate, that there is still love for you
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  Speaker 5: and your family, especially for buster. While I don't know
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  Speaker 5: Maggie or Paul, I can assume that they are so
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  Speaker 5: proud of you and how you have handled yourself, been
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  Speaker 5: honest and proclaimed your innocence, and hopes that they would
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  Speaker 5: find the actual person who did this to your family. Also,
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  Speaker 5: while it might be weird, I want to be able
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  Speaker 5: to be of some assistance here for you. I am
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  Speaker 5: here if you want to message or talk anytime. Everyone
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  Speaker 5: needs a friend.
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  Speaker 2: Lazy, okay, Lacy, poor, misguided person. Jennifer Wood joining me,
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  Speaker 2: director research fitsnews dot Com. Did you hear this? I
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  Speaker 2: hope they can find the actual person who did this
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  Speaker 2: to your family? Why did this happen? What happened to you?
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  Speaker 2: They've got it completely backwards, Jennifer.
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  Speaker 6: They're sure too. It's like they I mean, it's almost
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  Speaker 6: like they were watching a completely different trial than the.
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  Speaker 10: Rest of us.
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  Speaker 6: It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another component to it. Chris mcdonnaugh joining me,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Director Colecase Foundation, former homicide detective, star of The Interview Room. Chris,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: it's people like this that enable others to commit heinous crimes.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: It really is. I understand it's their fault. Who's the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: real killer? Do you know there are people that actually
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: think there's a killer on the loose from the O. J.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Simpson double murder. They cannot accept that he did that,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and it enables the person. And what's so scary about it,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Chris McDonough is, these women look perfectly normal. You might
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: even just put one on a jury for Pete's.
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: Sake, they're serving food to us every day, they're driving
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: cars next to us. Nancy, come on.
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they're completely I think the doc can tell us.
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's called hybristophilia. There's an actual,
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: you know, diagnosis for this problem. And you're one hundred
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: percent right, Nancy. What happens is this emboldens him even
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: further into you know, his own narcissism. And it does
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: it sends a clear message. I have a caper right
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: now that we're working through the Cold Case Foundation where
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: an individual is utilizing those tablets through that FaceTime capability.
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: And so my assumption was that if he's got one
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: of those, then he's on the same system and that
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: this other suspect is. And these individuals have done some
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: horrendous things. So to your point, Nancy, is you're one
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: hundred percent right. This is just going to embolden other
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: folks to you know, to kind of chime in here
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: who may have this dysphoria.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Hi, Chris mcdona, homicide, Have you ever come across this,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Because I have defendants murder defendants that are egged on
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: by their family, you know, like Scott Peters and He's
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: a great example, and they are behind bars and they
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: convince themselves they didn't do it, and they actually get
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: angry with you if you don't believe their lives.
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: I think this is analogous to why people join gangs.
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: They have a very low self esteem. They want to
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: be part of something, and these women are expressing that
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: they want to be friends with him, they want to
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: sort of be part of his life, and it's because
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: they don't really have a life of their ownt. They're
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: not part of anything similar to this.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So I found this out, Eric Bland. There is internet access, email,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and phone capability on these tablets. You ever had anybody
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: like that? Bland, I'm not asking you to reveal anything
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: about your clients that they think they've covered every single
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: piece of evidence. They have an explanation. They always have
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: an explain. Say, I actually get mad at you if
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you say no, I think you did it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: I actually have a doctor client right now who is
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: going up before the Medical Executive Board and there's probably
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: twenty three separate complaints about him, and he has an
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: explanation for every single one of them, and its persecution.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: And the problem is these people get said these kind
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: of things and it doesn't. It doesn't do any good.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: It only exacerbates the problem. It clogs up our system
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: with a you know, frivolous motion.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And these women are egging him on, telling him how
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: well I believe you're innocent.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Jartian. Michelle Duprey join me. Forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: detective and this really says it all. Author of the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Homicide Investigation Field Guide. You can find her at d
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: as in Delta Michelle dupre MD dot com. Doctor dupre
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: could you just give everybody a little reality check and
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: describe the injuries to wife Maggie.
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: And son Paul Nancy. These were horrendous injuries, I mean horrendous.
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: Being shot with a shotgun is devastating. There is lots
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: of blood. There was obviously body parts on the ground
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: and on the walls Maggie. Maggie was shot several times,
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: five different times at least And how can you explain this?
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: These are also up close and personal. This was not
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: done from far away. This person that did this saw
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: their victims. They did this intentionally.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: It was horrific.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Jennifer would with me from Fitznews dot com Jennifer. Remember
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the crime scene photos, the ones we could see and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: then we heard discuss the fact that Paul's brain basically
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: just kind of popped out and was lying adjacent to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: his body.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I remember, and I have seen a good
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: majority of what was presented in court. In it, they
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: were gruesome. I mean, I wouldn't recommend anybody see.
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: Them, but as.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Gruesome as they were, I mean, it's just horrific to
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: imagine what.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: They went through that night and thinking you want to
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: crawl in bed with the guy that a jury convicted
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: for these heinous crimes, not just crimes, but crimes on
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the people we assumed he would love the most. Well,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: aside from all of the very disturbing love letters to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Alex Marlock behind bars, there's more. We're getting a glimpse
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of the inner workings of the defense. What will be
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: argued on a pe Take a listen to Valerie Castro NBC.
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: Murdoc, who has always maintained his innocence, is currently appealing
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: his murder conviction, and Griffin says he's got support from
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: some who watched the highly publicized trial.
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: I have here ninety letters from people over twenty eight states,
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: ninety nine percent of those are folks who watch the
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: trial who believe in his innocence.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Hey, Griffin, reality check. This is not Dancing with the
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Stars where people call in their votes. That's not the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: way it works. You know, Eric Bland with me, high
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: profile lawyer out of South Carolina and beyond if his
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: partner in crime, Lafitte, is any example which I think
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you can look at his appeal and get an idea
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: or a blueprint of where Murdog is heading. A lot
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was made about jury replacements, which also happened in the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson case. You know, because one your would be disqualified,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that the next and the next thing you bring in alternates.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I imagine that's one bone of contention that they're going
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: to argue. What do you think absolutely?
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: In addition, they're going to argue the four four B
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: admission of evidence by Judge Newman in connection with the
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: financial crimes.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: You mean the motive evidence.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the mode of evidence. And so there's a number
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: of issues that they'll they'll raise. But the thing that
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: just struck me by what you played, Jim Griffin said, Oh,
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: I've received ninety nine letters. How about there's probably a
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: million letters that if people wanted to write that would
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: say to Jim, your client is guilty as sin. We
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: sat through the same trial and listen to the evidence
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: and watch what you watched, and your client got just
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: you know, got a just verdict. So the fact that
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: ninety nine people said that he is not guilty doesn't
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: move me at all, because I'm sure there's five to
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: ten million that would say he was guilty.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I know to Jennifer Wood joining us from fitz Neews, Jennifer,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I can put money on this if I were a
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: betting person, which I'm not, that they will. Alex Murdagu
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: will argue ineffective assistance of counsel in addition to musical
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: chairs with the jurors, which I believe the judge covered
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: all the bases in doing that appropriately and for good reason.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I think murdog will argue ineffective assistance of counsel. Not
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: because I think Hart Putlingen and his team were ineffective.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: To the contrary, I think they did the very best
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: job they could with what they had to work with.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: But I think that's going to be a client specifically.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it Griffin that asked the question, are they witness
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: that opened the door for the state to bring in
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: all that financial crime as motive.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean, and I think Griffin did that couple
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: of times if I remember correctly where he just.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he did it on the Labor Day shooting.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: And I think, I mean, I think any appeal part
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: of that ends up being, you know, arguing ineffective counsel somehow.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I also think they're going to go after the lady
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: medical examiner Jennifer Wood. Remember the great female medical examiner
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: for the state, doctor Ellen Reamer. I've just got a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: sense they're going to go after her. And I also
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: think they're going to trying to find some fault with
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the chain of custody and or the scientific evidence when
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it comes to cell phone data, because that was the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: nail in the coffin for me.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: I think any attempt to go after doctor Reemer is
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: going it will not be successful. She's very highly regarded,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: she's very professional, she's very thorough.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: She was great. I agree with you, But that certainly,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Eric Blame, would you agree, won't stop them from trying
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: just like an ineffective assistance claim. Hey, the lawyer screwed
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: up by asking this question and then all my financial
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: crimes came in under motive, which motive is allowed. That
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: motive evidence is allowed. So I think even though he
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: had a great team, he's going to attack them on appeal.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: Gun blast appeal. That's what most of them are to
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: see if anything sticks, and then ultimately to get a
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: habeas corpus. I mean Russell Offee has not been sentenced yet, Nancy,
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: but he's already raised in effective a sense of the
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: council against his first set of lawyers. He's now on
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: his third set to so you know, and he's about
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: to be sentenced I think within the next six day weeks.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: But he's on his third set of lawyers.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: And listen, everybody, the lawyers don't get upset about it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: They know they're going to be accused of ineffective assistance
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: of counsel incompetency. It's just part of the deal when
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: you take that big fat check, right, Eric Bland, you
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: know what's coming down the pike.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And most of them fall on the sword. When
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: the arguments are made and they're put up on this stand,
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: they say that they wish they could have done better.
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: They do the best they can of not admitting negligence.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: But they admit that they wish they could do better.
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: Most of the ineffective assistance the councils fail, except if
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: it's somebody who's handling the murder case it doesn't have
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: any criminal law experience. Yeah, both most of them failed.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: They're not going to get Dick Carpootlin or Jim Griffin
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: on in that way.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Well, the reason they won't admit error to the point
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: of negligence is because then they can be sued or
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: disbarred or reprimanded. But they may say something like, yeah,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: that was a really bad trial strategy decision. I wish
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I hadn't done that. I was ineffective. Yeah, they'll go
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: along with it, and as Bland said, fall on the sword.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: We got another problem. Is the tax man going to
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: come along and yank the money away from the families
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: of Mallory Beach and Gloria Satterfield. Take a listen to this.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: We are following breaking news.
• 30:55
  Speaker 13: Convicted murderer Alec Murdoch is now facing new charges and
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: Murdock was indicted by grand jury for two more accounts
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: of tax evasion. He was already facing ninety nine charges
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: for other financial crimes. Now the new indictment alleged Murdoch
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: failed to report more than two point one million dollars
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: of income as part of his scheme to defraud his
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: former law firm and clients. Murdoch was convicted of murdering
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: his wife and son in March.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And more from our friends at WC and C.
• 31:22
  Speaker 14: The Attorney General's office saying it is going after convicted
• 31:27
  Speaker 14: murderer Alec Murdoch on new charges of tax evasion. Attorney
• 31:31
  Speaker 14: General Alan Wilson's office said today a state grand jury
• 31:35
  Speaker 14: issued an indictment against Murdoch on two counts of tax evasion.
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: Prosecutors say the alleged crimes took place in twenty twenty
• 31:42
  Speaker 14: and twenty twenty one. The indictment says Murdock failed to
• 31:45
  Speaker 14: report more than two million dollars of income earned through
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: illegal acts, which means he did not report more than
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars in state taxes.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: What an idiot? I mean, that's a big red flaglight
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: waiving a flag, a red flag in front of a bull.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: There's all these sneaky maneuvers you can do on taxes,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: but not reporting earnings, that's so easy, that's low hanging fruit.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: You know, think about it. I know, you know the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: name al Capone. This guy, this mobster, had murdered so
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: many people, had done horrible violent acts, ran a crime syndicate.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Nobody could touch him except the tax man. Oh yeah,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and he got nailed on I think five counts of
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: tax fraud. Jennifer Wood joining us fitznews dot com. Tell
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: us about the tax claims against Murdog.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean they had already filed tax you know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: tax abasing charges against him in the fall. These were
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: for the years twenty twenty and twenty twenty one that
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: they were waiting for additional data to come in to
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: style them. And I mean, I think, just like everything else,
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: he I mean, you got to pay your taxes, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: I keep I mean, I know, if he didn't pay
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: his South Carolina taxes, he certainly wasn't paying a federal taxes.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: So are we going to see federal taxibasion charges?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Eric Bland. Would the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: tax man actually get in front of the victims' families
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Mallory Beach and Gloria Sadderfield and possibly Steven Smith don't
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: know about that one. Would they take present and get
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the money before the Beach family. In the Sattlefield family.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: They don't have a lien yet. But more importantly, we
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: didn't get money from Alex myrdle. We got seven and
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: a half more than seven and a half million dollars
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: from other sources, So it would be different if Alex
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: gave us the money. But we haven't gotten any money
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: from Alex. We have a four point three million dollar
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: judgment and they haven't perfected their claim yet to a lien.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: You mean file it at the courthouse.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah. From the Satifield point, I'm not concerned. Mallory Beats though,
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: was paid some from money that went to Alex through
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: Maggie's estate, So I don't know what the situation with
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: that will be.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: But does generally speaking, when you've got a lot of
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: claims as a tax man, take precedent they can. Oh, Man,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: that doesn't seem right. Don't get me wrong, I rass
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I'm on your side, okay. So not only is there
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: a chance that the victims' families may come up empty handed.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Now we hear Alex simardag wants to move from his
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: private sale where he's having all those enchanting facetimes with women,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: to GP general population. What take a listen to our
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: friends at NBC. It's been just.
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: Over six weeks since former South Carolina attorney Alec Murdoch
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: became a convicted killer after a jury found him guilty
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: on all charges guilty in the fatal shooting of his
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: wife Maggie and son Paul. Now Alec is handling life
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: in a maximum security prison.
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: I mean he would rather take his chances on the
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: yard than than wrought away in a.
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: Griffin revealing Murdoch has been living in protective custody, but
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: now wants to be in the general prison population, even
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: after receiving threats from within the prison wall.
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: Do you think that he's got a little bit of
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: a death wish.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: He has been a man who's who has been sober,
• 35:17
  Speaker 12: and he has been rational, and he plans to continue.
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: He looks forward to the day of getting out of prison.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, back to Jennifer Wood from FITZ News, is this real?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Why would he want to move to GP.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: I don't understand what his play is with that. I mean,
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: I think it's one a safety issue for him and
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: for prison officials, and I just I guess I just
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: don't understand.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: What There's got to be something in it for him, Eric,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Why what could it possibly be boredom?
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: I think it's also as narcissism. I think he believes
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: that he'll be able to persuade if there's any people
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: that want to hurt him, he'll be able to trade,
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: whether it's anteen money or lawyer advice. He also is
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: a bigger man, and you know during some of the
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: Bond hearing his dance, he had scuff marks on his
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: base and bruises on his hands, so he's already been
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: in some bikes when he was in jail. I just
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: think it's his hubris. I think he thinks that he's
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: going to be able to align himself with people that'll
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: protect him. Either he'll financially support them or he's going
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: to offer ap pellet services. But you know, he didn't
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: even know what a habeas corpus was, so I'm not
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: sure I would trust his legal advice and.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Nancy if I could jump in about this, isolation and
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: loneliness are felt to be more terrible than physical harm.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, look at the Surgeon General came out with
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: the report today saying that isolation and loneliness are health hazards,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: and so you know, part of me thinks that he'd
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: rather socialize and be harmed than to be isolation. On
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: the other hand, another skeptical point of view is he's
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: going to start a prison ministry or now that he's
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: no longer using opioids.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Right, you think you can't get drugs behind bars.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: That's a good point. But maybe he has fantasies of
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: doing good. But I think loneliness, you know, drives people
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: to do all kinds of things. I mean, look at
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: the women who are writing him while he's behind bars.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: People who cannot establish relationships in any meaningful way, are
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: trying to establish a relationship with somebody behind bars where
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: they already always know who he is, where he is,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: they always know what he's doing. At least that's their
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: fantasy about the situation. So I think the drive to
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: connect would be a primary motivator here.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Chris mcdoney, you've dealt with so many convicted killers. This
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: is what Marnock's a lawyer say. Quote Marnock gets along
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: with prisoners but avoid sex offenders. Gee, I wonder why,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: But what about it, Chris mcdonna, He gets along with prisoners,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: what does that mean, well, it's.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: A facade right where he you know, what he forgets
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: is the reason he's in PC protective custody. And they
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: put these guys into what they call special housing units,
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: few units within these maximum prisons, and the reason for
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: that is inside those walls, there's a whole new world
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: that presents itself and those that come into it, such
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: as a Murdoch, who believe that you know, they they've
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: had some law enforcement authority, et cetera. You know, on
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: the outside that they believe they can use those negotiation
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: skills on the inside. He's going to get an awakening
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: really quickly because just the fact that he has a
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: access to much more commissary money and I'm talking about
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: the very small minutia pieces stance see that you and
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: I and others are very aware of. He's going to
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: try to play that look, I can, I can do
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: you favors, but unfortunately that is not going to work.
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  Speaker 8: And my concern with his positioning here is he is
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: placing himself in severe danger because there's going to be
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: that one guy that's been in there for twenty five
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: years before him, and he was put there by somebody
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: in the Murdoch family and he has got a very
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: short memory and if he has access to this guy,
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: I can promise you there will be a problem. And
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: you know, I know the jail is probably sitting back going, well,
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: you know what, let's have a meeting about this, because
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: he may be talking about it, but we don't think
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: it's in their best interest to move him over.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Doctor duprey, you're hearing what Chris mcdunn is saying. Could
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you tell us, doctor dupree, have you ever had a
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: case with someone who is stabbed by a shiev or shank?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah, sugar shank anyone. It's a homemade knife, usually a
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: short pointing instrument, and yes, I have seen this before
• 40:07
  Speaker 10: and they can be lethal, I mean absolutely, and they're
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: made by prisoners pretty much all the time.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had several cases of stabbings and murders with
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: a ship or a shank. Jennifer Wood, could you just
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: describe for us where is Murdoch right now? I can't
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: imagine why he would want to go in gp general population.
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: So he was placed in a protective custody and they've
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: stated that they are not releasing the location that he
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: is at. But persons are telling us that he is
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: located at a maximum security prison called McCormick Correctional Institution,
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: and it is I mean, it is where the worst
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: of the worst get sent.
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: You have gangs, ab like arian brotherhood, you have all
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: these other types of you know, clicks withinside of the joint.
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: There is what they call it, you're and for him
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: to just kind of step into this environment to believe, hey,
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: you know, I'm Alex Murdoch. What he's not realizing is
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: they're very aware of all the problems that have been
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: that occurred outside and they're not necessarily going to play
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: with him. Uh they're you know, they're they're going to
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: take care of it, and it could be very problematic.
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: Again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those prisoners, like if he is at McCormick, they
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: don't care who he is or how much money he
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: ever had. Uhh, they don't care period. He's just another
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: victim to them. We wait as justice unfolds. Apparently it
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: ain't over yet with Alex Murdoch. Goodbye friend.