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Episode 239: 200 (SG-1 10.06) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Also lit up. Yeah, two hundred, two hundred and thirty nine for
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  US two hundred SG one, Season ten, episode six, Welcome to It
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  the Gators here Mitch Brendan Maddy going on, boys, Hey, mate,
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  I don't even know what it is eating. Yeah, sorry, I'm like
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  one, everyone's eating or chewing on something really tough, like a lully.
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  And I threw both of your names out there and seen both of you stay
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  hi right now. Yeah, And I'm just I'm just looking at like my
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  tiny little bit of notes that I wrote for this episode. And you guys
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  know I cut audio for these, you know, for these episodes and stuff.
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  What do you reckon? Mitch? You look at what how many average?
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  On average? How many soundbites do I give for an episode? I
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  wasna say five, six? Maybe, yeah, it probably would because an
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  average of four, because yeah, like occasionally ballooned out to an eight or
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  nine, but probably four was a good average. I'll give you each one.
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  Guess how many I've got for this episode? Twelve higher, I was
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  sixteen, twenty. Yeah, I was hoping, so, I was actually
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  hoping so because this is this is one where this episode is another one of
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  these fandom things that it was up in the air with if you like,
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  super polarizing. Yeah, and for me, I did not like it because
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  it threw me off at ad me Yeah for a lot. To know how
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  we always talk about having where the fifth member of SG one and then they
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  go previously on SG one and then it's the Furlings and I'm like, did
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  I skip a disk? I was like, holy sh I've always thought we
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  don't meet these little What the have I missed? I knew, I knew,
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  and you know what, That's why I should have watched the first ones
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  because I were in there one the whole time. Why did I listen?
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  Yeah? No, A lot of the fan and were very much this a
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  lie for some people a bridge too far? Okay, I personally I love
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  it, you know me? What is the one thing that I always bring
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  to these episodes is in cross contamination between different sci fi shows Trivia in incestual
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  in Kevin baconstyle games, was like, well, this person was in this
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  show with this first with this person who was in a different sci fi show.
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  Yeah, I love all that shit. So this to me, I
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  remember when we did one hundred and it's the first time I'd seen Wormhole Extreme
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  in so long, and I was like, this isn't as wild as I
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  remember. Yeah, this is pretty tame because two hundred is fucking balls to
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  the wall, like just absolute acid trips, psychotic ridiculousness, and I love
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  every second of it. Well, for the last couple of weeks, and
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  we've been planning out when we're going to be able to record this episode,
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  and we were like, okay, how long are we going to need and
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  you say, hey, look, hey, let's not even think about we
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  could be there forever and everyone listening to this now you can see how long
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  this episode goes for a week right now? We don't we currently don't know
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  a minute per grab and and I'm like, okay, great, well,
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  I mean, I haven't seen this in a long time. I understand that
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  it's got to do with Wormhole Extreme and that it is obviously a bit of
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  a beta episode, and I don't exactly know how or why what, I
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  don't know, can't wait to watch it. And I'm watching it, and
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  I did find myself and I thought, is this going to be a controversial
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  thing to say? And I found myself for the most part, going,
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  oh, please, come on, Yeah, I get it, and move
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  on. And here we were last week saying with Progeny, we had that
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  moment where the replicators we realize, oh, this is this is all in
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  someone's head and this wasn't actually happening, and you go said, oh,
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  what point did you realize that it was a fake out? And then I'm
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  sitting there as the first time of going oh, I didn't. I didn't
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  know what I was watching from then on, whether it was real or not.
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  And Brenda's like, yeah, you never see it again. It's like,
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  yeah, everything you saw from then on you could trust, and in
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  this one it was like, oh, I just I know that I can't
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  trust anything from because every minute and a half they're like, ah, gotcha,
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  yeah, you know something that was very real. I know that was
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  actually a real thing set within the world, and now that now the real
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  people are talking about that, but no, it's it's behind it the Fourth
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  Wall and then the Fifth Wall and the sixth Wall breaking and all that sort
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  of shit, And I just I found my like, now, in fairness,
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  i'm watching it something. It probably took me, I reckon an hour
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  and ten minutes to watch this. I'm angry, No, no, cake,
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  I was very much sitting in front of a screen just watching it.
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  I had planned on like, you know, hey, maybe I could start
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  three Star Cake. I'm so sorry, just in case he got confused about
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  who he was. Yeah, And I was very much focused on the episode.
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  But then like i'd have to know, pause it and go ten to
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  let you know, kids, I'm not not having this disturb me, right,
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  you know, Okay, the dogs are going ape shit or whatever's going
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  on. I could come back. And it just took me so long to
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  watch it. After a while, I'm like, okay, how long am
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  I into this? I've only been watching this for eighteen minutes? Holy shit.
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  Just felt like a drag. But then it did, and I thought,
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  I'm like, how are we going to talk about this for two hours,
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  three hours whatever? Mattie's worried about this? How long we could be
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  sitting there for tonight? What are we talking about? And not to say
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  there isn't plenty of talk about. But then once it ends and I could
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  see that it goes for like forty three and a half minutes, I'm like,
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  that feels like it's it's like a minute a half two minutes longer than
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  every other episode, which isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things when
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  you think about Network TV and how like they go to forty one and twenty
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  six seconds almost to the to the very second every single week. That's a
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  big jump as well. And then they all walk through the gate at the
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  end at thirty six minutes, how are they going to fill the next six
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  minutes pre credits? Which the credits ended up being involved in the show,
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  so it ends up being seven minutes of extra stuff. And that's where the
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  show gets me. That's what I what I love about two hundred is that
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  seven minutes at the end where you get the fake cast and crew talking about
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  the fake show from a real meta point of fake Daniel, the fake Daniel
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  talking about his faith career, about the real like wait till I play you
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  the fake Cooper stuff when you have Cooper's mind. All of a sudden,
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  I'm starting to look at what's it? What's old? Same? I just
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  keep thinking of it as Willy Willy Garson. Yeah, I just think it
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  was Willy Garson too. What is he in this Rest and Peace too,
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  big fellow, since the last time I think he was on Stargate in real
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  life, didn't make it season two of just like that? No, yeah,
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  and just like that, but yeah, And I'm looking at him and
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  I'm like, egg shaped head, you're bored with glasses and you're an annoying
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  producer. Oh my god, you're Robert C. Cooper. How don't I
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  see this before? All right? How did I not see that before?
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  And after having watched that episode with se Tita with not even watching the episode,
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  listen to the audio commentary of Cooper the other week and then I'm watching
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  a much lovelier and more tolerable version of Cooper and Marty. I was like,
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  holy ship, how did I never see this? Listen to this when
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  you? When you? When I've because obviously it's it's played in bits and
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  pieces in between the Jackson guy, listen to it all cut together. I
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  think first and foremost it has to do you know, with the writing.
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  Production runs like a well oiled machine, and sure that starts from the top,
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  but I mean, we all love the show. The gaffers, the
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  lighting guy, makeup. It's like a family caters, the lighting guys,
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  they do something, the guy that clean, they all say, they all
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  say that I'm great, And you know, it was like deliverance. Yeah,
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  because I think the only thing I don't like about the episode is that
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  I remember that time O'Neil, like it's when they mentioned stuff that definitely happened
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  that didn't happen. Well, it's a family episode too, it's a it's
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  a setup to a cutaway. Yeah, but I mean I like family.
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  I don't feel like they're cannon in a sense when when I when I fought
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  in the you know, in this American Civil War and years whereas this it
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  was like remember, definite, I don't remember that. I'm a huge nerve
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  and awesome episode. Let me unburden you because nothing in this episode took place,
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  not even the them sitting in the room with Marty, because what they
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  lean into at the end is when General Laundry says, probably, you know,
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  we talk about it in the show like phrases. You hear that we've
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  we've brought into our own lives, like we say in the same way.
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  This is quite possibly my favorite General Laundry line ever. Hey, come on,
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  you're look fine. Both of those you look fine time, but that
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  bit and then Walter running down from the from the gate room or the embarkation
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  room running in there and something he's changed outfits that in a split second,
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  he's changed from you know, his normal outfit to an off world outfit.
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  That's that's the show's way of saying, none of this is real. None
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  of it actually happened. None of the cutaways happened. But also none of
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  them sitting around in the conference room with Marty about the wormhole extreme but none
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  of which which makes sense anyway, because I'm sitting there like as soon as
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  he showed up, and then they're like, look, you've just got to
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  sit in with him for five minutes. Just give him five minutes, okay,
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  had they then have cut to them, you know, strolling around Tilk
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  wearing a funny hat, walking around the streets of Hollywood because they've gone to
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  La to go to a movie studio to talk to a producer slash writer about
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  turning you know, his his show into a film that makes more sense than
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  them allowing a civilian an alien civilian. Yeah, sure, he has massive
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  knowledge of the Stargate program and all the people that work there, and he's
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  written the show around it. But that they were just like, yeah,
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  just you can come to have the meeting down at this insanely top secret base,
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  like that would never happen. I'm like, well, it's the show,
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  it doesn't matter. We can move on from that. He's probably on
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  the SGC payroll, yeah yeah, somehow, Yeah, to keep him quiet.
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  But then you know, you give it if you say that and go,
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  oh, none of this actually happened, It's like, okay, well
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  that that gives a little bit more allowance. I think I like that less
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  that it didn't happen at all. I can see people, Yeah, because
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  one hundred definitely happened. Absolutely, He's definitely an in show TV show.
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  Yeah, I think I think I like it less to even just the idea
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  that Jack, I mean, Jack showed up for literally no reason except once
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  at the end they're like, hey there's a party, there's like streamers and
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  and I'm like, holy shit, So that it has all of this been
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  an elaborate setup to celebrate Mitchell's two hundredth walk through an event horizon, like,
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  because he's been telling the audience this is why he's excited to embark this
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  mission. But has all this been a big ruise because the team's excited for
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  him and O'Neill was going to be visiting anyway, and so it's been a
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  whole big setup and well the Mardy thing's a bit of a stretch and a
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  bit of a jumping of the shark as to why they would put him through
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  that or something, but still is oh no, that's that's not exactly why.
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  So I like I think I like that less if O'Neill didn't come along.
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  But also in the weird way the show's set out like Jack's in it
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  heaps before O'Neill actually shows up, Like the invisible Jack stuff is one of
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  the earliest moments in it, and O'Neil doesn't actually show up in the briefing
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  room until after the puppets. We've been there as a Yeah, so it's
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  just recording. And plus he was in a green suit, yes, as
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  an invisible man carrying a cup. Yeah, so fucking good. Do you
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  know how good that is? Like in reality, there's a scene in that
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  segment where Otilk is walking down the hall talking to invisible O'Neil, and so
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  you see this floating mug walk down the hall. Well then we started talking
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  about, well, how do you achieve that, how to do that practically
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  with the facts, and so you need a guy in a green suit.
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  I said, well, so we got to make sure we have a guy
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  there that day. Martin turns to me and says, well, you know,
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  Rick's going to be here doing some other scenes and he has to do
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  the voice anyway, And I said, so we're going to have Richard Dean
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  Anderson in a green suit pretending not to be in the show. So good,
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  ah, one of my aspirations in life. But this costume wasn't quite
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  let's put it this way, tight enough in the right spots to really do
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  any kind of justice, which is quite awesome. A full body green starking
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  walking down the hall pretending not to be here. And then the best part
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  of all of that is because he's in a green suit holding the mug.
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  They had to put a different mug in in post anyway, because his green
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  fingers were covering the handle of the mug and obscuring the mug. So the
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  mug is completely cg anyway, But based on his movement it does look a
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  little bit Ghostbusters floaty there for a bit. So, but I mean,
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  just what I mean, such a tiny thing. What makes that grab for
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  me? When he comes in Anderson when he describes himself as like being quite
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  if he said quite impressive or quite large, it's like, eh, that's
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  low hanging fruit. When he goes, it's quite awesome, Like that particular
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  word to describe it is so ridiculous, which is you know, quite awesome.
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  So good. I love that so much that he were he wasn't going
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  to be in it, so that's why they wrote the scene and then he
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  was there, and so he was in it, but he wasn't in it.
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  Just pretend not to meet. But they did everything so well, like
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  even like when you see him like spinning on the chair like in Cards Lab,
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  they did such a good job that it's like it wasn't just spinning in
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  a circle. It was spinning back and forth. And it's like I swear
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  we've seen O'Neill doing that chairs like and that was just like you know,
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  of opportunity. Yeah, there was just a grip, you know, holding
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  that chair underneath and just but it's like they even weighted the chair down so
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  that it looked like it was carrying weight, like kind of world. I'm
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  like, that would be something you would have to say to O'Neill. Can
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  you just keep spinning so that we know you're there, please, like we
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  can't trust they're like cart approved obviously before when she's talking to herself, sir
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  you there, Yeah, apparently a lot of people weren't a fan of the
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  Shower. I'm like, funny, but like I'm like, oh there's there's
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  like are they you know, will they won't they? Are they or aren't
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  they sort of suggest stuff going on through seasons and seasons worth of the show.
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  But the idea that she's like, he is a pervert enough that he
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  might watch me in the shower, so I'll ask him, and then he's
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  honest enough but still confident enough to be able to say nope, nope.
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  Yeah. Like but it's also like every guy would just be like, well
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  if invisible, Yeah, we've all seen Hollo man, like Kevin Bacon,
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  I mean he went because he's watching the boys thanos, you know. But
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  it's also yeah, it's also like it's a victim's crime. It's yeah,
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  but like punching someone in the dark, but even he comes invisible. That's
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  what I thought, Like, you know, when he sits there and drinking,
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  I'm like, so as soon as that liquid goes down your throat,
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  it also becomes invisible, right, That's kind of cool. But when she
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  stared talking to the chair and you know that the shot moved away from the
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  chair before I thought, I wonder if they went to the trouble of like,
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  you know, cutting out some of the cushion underneath the fabric so it
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  looked like there was, you know, a pair of legs or an ass
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  sitting on that chair. Oh, I missed it, that's it. Remember,
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  I'll go back in a second. And by that stage, Jackson had
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  already walked in and went, yeah, he's not there. He's in Hammond's
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  office, and she's like, son of a bitch, you know, like
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  that's great. But then you get to that next scene and he's spinning and
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  I'm like, yeah, you would have to do that to that guy.
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  So like it was all so definitively O'Neil to a character even though we hadn't
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  even seen him yet, which is brilliant. Yeah, except for maybe the
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  shower scene. I was like, oh would I didn't understand that making some
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  people feeling yeah, like it's funny, it's absolutely is it funny that?
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  I mean, it's it's I reckon, it's creepy if he says yes or
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  doesn't speak as soon as he says no. The fact that that's funny takes
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  away the creep factor a little bit. Yeah, and the fact that Carter
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  was clearly not not not okay with it enough for it to be to look
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  at the audience, get that's bad rush oh Jack, you know, like
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  it was kind of like I knew he'd be doing that, you know who
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  else but Quagmire. It's two thousand and six. Mane hollow Man was crushing
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  absolutely, But it didn't happen anyway, The episode didn't happen to Yeah,
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  yes, it doesn't matter, but yeah, it's it's that it's that like
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  community hyperbolely fast situation. It's like you take things to such a high degree,
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  that's the joke. YEA, Like, at no point do you believe
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  Jack would actually go and do that to Carter, But it's like he's thought
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  about it. Yeah, and everyone would. Everyone would, are you telling?
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  Even women? That'll be like, if you're a straight woman and you've
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  got that ability and you know that Henry cavill is showering in the next room,
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  Yeah, you're going in there. You would have a look. Hell,
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  nine time sent of straight men would would walk in there and they'll be
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  like, well, let's see what what are the fuss is about? Mama
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  mamoa. They'd all be in there is there a room where both he and
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  Henry together? We'll go into that route. The Justice League. Yeah,
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  that's the Yeah, the changing room of the Justice League. Yeah, there's
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  Superman Wonder Woman's like, hello, it's the girls locker room, now is
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  it? Boys? Is fine that you know that? On on Famous Scia,
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  please you only have one gender there, which means you have no gender.
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  Come and look at my watch? What do you reckon? Have a
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  look? It spins, I'll get in trouble with it. But there's a
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  can we get reverse? There's a running joke in Star Trek that Klingons have
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  like two of it, like they have they have redundancies in their organs,
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  and they have three lungs, two hearts, you know, to pancreas all
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  that kind of stuff. And then stupid Discovery decided that Klingons also have two
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  penises as well. So there's like a Klingon taking a piece in the back
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  alley and there's two streams going. So now I saw a joke the other
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  day on and so the STD show decided that the Alien Race had two pens.
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  Yes, brilliant. Yeah, And they say, well, obviously a
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  Klingon doesn't helicopter, he chinnooks. That's good. That's good. There's a
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  lot of steps to get there, but I like it. I'll give you
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  that one. But I feel like there's gonna be enough. There's got I
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  mean, there's some trek talking here, obviously, I mean they cover off
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  everything. I mean it's fun for me not having seen Fastcapes. So when
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  they like have that, and I didn't know what I was watching until Carter
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  comes out looking like yeah, and then that cuts back to Marty goes nobody
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  would watch that. It was like, I don't even know what that is.
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  Yeah. The best part about that is so Michael Shanks and Ben Browder
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  originally going to play like Ben Brader was supposed to play his character of Crichton,
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  and then Michael Shanks was going to play Stark, and apparently Ben Brawder
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  was like kind of nervous about it. He's like, I don't want,
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  you know, Fast Cape fans to think I'm making fun of the show.
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  Yeah, he's been nervous. And then last minute he and Shanks went,
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  what if we just swapped and he went, oh my god, that's hilarious.
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  A because there's the layer of When Browder joined the show, Shanksy grew
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  at the Beard because the higher up executives were worried that Browder and Shanks looked
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  too similar in the long shots, he had to specify difference between them.
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  And then obviously the fact that in fast Gate Broader and Claudia Black played it.
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  You know, there was a lot of romantic tension between those two,
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  which Daniel and Varla has it all worked out perfectly and it's such a good
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  that's one of my brow can do his best Australian accent. Then yeah,
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  yeah, exactly, No, I'd love that was one of my favorite son
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  of a has Mott, none of her has what that the puppets is just
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  it was actually one of the best. That moment my eight year old walked
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  in, what's this said? Stargate? Really? I said, yeah,
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  yeah, I don't ask questions, it's actually fast. Let me give you,
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  let me give you more time on your iPad here go yeah, like
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  you know, like Daniel just like drawing on the on the monitor, you
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  know, the very team American. Well, that was the inspiration and they
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  actually it's the Team America people who made these puppets. Yeah, yeah,
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  they none of them look like Matt Damon. They're all actually articulated enough did
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  Daniel Jackson want is actually the Matt Damon dummy with the wig made up?
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  But you could imagine what it'd be like. There was a reference to Matt
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  David and the commentary of the special features. I can't remember what that was
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  about. But but yeah, like Martin would just kind of like flew down
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  to La and did it all there. They obviously spent, you know,
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  hundreds of thousands of dollars getting all those puppets and ship made. And the
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  best butt is at the end when they're walking through the stargate and all that
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  kind of stuff, all those wires are put in in post in CG.
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  They weren't they weren't reading on camera. The wires were so nice they went
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  ring, so they had to put him in to make them look more visible.
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  So that so the gag being when they go through the gate it cuts
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  off their wires and then they get to the other side and fall in a
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  heat. But yeah, and it's weird though, is you don't realize you
• 22:14
  don't realize that by watching that part, but it's like, well, they
• 22:17
  included Hammond. Hammond was back for this episode. So what I didn't realize
• 22:21
  until I read the truth for it is they brought back for this episode every
• 22:25
  single regular character except for current Every other member of the show who's been in
• 22:32
  the opening credits except for Currant is back for this which God, there would
• 22:37
  have been an avenue to have, like the fact that, especially the end,
• 22:40
  like even if they would have saved it for the end, like the
• 22:41
  fake cast talking about the fake show when they're making so much fun about Shanks,
• 22:45
  which I'm sure you'll get into that you said you're disappearing to go back
• 22:48
  to do theater work and blah blah blah. To then have another actor coming
• 22:52
  to get Oh, you know, I was. I came and boarded like
• 22:53
  I thought this was going to be my big break that all of a sudden,
• 22:56
  you know, like to have that reference, but maybe it's a little
• 22:59
  bit more to kick it. But they also like all the multiple references to
• 23:03
  how do you replace the lead of your show? And Browder was like,
• 23:04
  oh, you're just replace him with someone else and there's dead pant Roseanne.
• 23:08
  But the two Becky. I love that because remember in that in that episode,
• 23:17
  I think her first one, the first Becky episode. That's I remember
• 23:21
  when they changed their characters in Roseanne. Yeah, and she said, oh,
• 23:25
  yeah, they can just replace the actor it's a different character or whatever.
• 23:27
  Yeah, it was at the end. It was the like the post
• 23:30
  credit scene, like after after the episode plays, it's like it's like the
• 23:36
  original Becky went away to college or whatever in real life. And then when
• 23:38
  in the show, so they brought in Sarah Chalk and they're like, oh,
• 23:41
  where have you been. I don't even I don't even recognize you've been
• 23:45
  away so long with some bullshit like that, like I mean to don cheto
• 23:48
  sort of introduction. Yeah. Yeah, And then I think I've told this
• 23:49
  story a thousand times. But it's like by like the end seasons when they
• 23:52
  were just alternating, when they brought both of them back and it's like one
• 23:56
  will do episode one. Really that's and then like there's one episode where like
• 24:02
  in the last season where they win the lottery, like for that last season
• 24:03
  they go to Disney World. Yeah, and then like Sarah Chalk's Becky comes
• 24:07
  and he goes, wow, you picked a good week to be here like
• 24:11
  that. And then in one of the Halloween episodes they had the original Becky
• 24:17
  being Becky Connor, and then Sarah Chalk's character was one of the tricker treaters
• 24:22
  who knocked on the door. Wow. And when they brought the show back
• 24:26
  for the Connors, that was the bringback. It was Roseanne for the first
• 24:30
  two seasons. All that's right, Yeah, she got canned. Well when
• 24:33
  they brought back Roseanne, then didn't they both come back? But did No?
• 24:41
  I don't know, sheferent she just played a different characters or something they
• 24:45
  had. They had original Becky or whatever played Becky and then the other Becky
• 24:51
  came back and played a different character so that they could both have both actresses
• 24:55
  come back into that show. Mean for this to go on this one,
• 24:57
  well, sure, no, I apologize, yeah, you know me.
• 25:00
  And when it comes to a Sarah Chalk is using scrubs as well about Sarah
• 25:03
  Chalk forever and then honestly, Rosie, I mean, I still don't think
• 25:07
  any show does it better than I don't know how often or how long it
• 25:10
  went on for. And we were sitting there, my Mum's watching The Bold
• 25:12
  and the Beautiful way back when and if it was a stargate thing, right,
• 25:17
  and they replace Richard Dean Anderson with another actor, like Ben Brawder suggests,
• 25:22
  you know, they keep the same character Russell with a different a well,
• 25:23
  you know what, you know what, let's even use that, right.
• 25:26
  So they come out in the first episode and it's like they go,
• 25:29
  oh, where is where is the colonel? And then you'd have Richard Dean
• 25:32
  jack O'Neill were foting for duty, sir, And then a narrator come out
• 25:34
  and go, the role of Jack O'Neill will now be played by Richard Dean
• 25:37
  Anderson. And that's what That's what Bold and Beautiful did. They would have
• 25:41
  a new actor play the same character and he would come in, say a
• 25:44
  line or two, and then in just a little dialogue break, and narrator
• 25:47
  would come in at a nowhere because that show did not have a narrator other
• 25:51
  than to tell you, by the way, this is a new actor,
• 25:52
  please move on. I'm like, wow, who gives a shit? That's
• 25:56
  what you think? The audience is fine, you know what? More paler
• 26:00
  to Yeah, okay, he's cute. Yeah, well that sames in history.
• 26:11
  We don't talk about that around here, Like The back of the matter
• 26:14
  is, I don't really even know what happened there, you know. I
• 26:17
  to me, it never felt like I was leaving the show. I just
• 26:18
  needed a little space lit time, you know. I wanted to get back
• 26:22
  to my roots theater. Right, So I go to New York. It's
• 26:23
  a little Broadway off off Broadway. Either way, it doesn't matter acting,
• 26:26
  you know, acting without having people hurling paper machine boulders at you all day.
• 26:32
  It was great. I like them both. I like both. I'm
• 26:33
  fine with that. You can't get there without the fans, right, I
• 26:37
  have to thank them. I got to thank them, specifically the ones the
• 26:41
  god what's it called doctor levont dot com. Have you seen the site?
• 26:45
  I mean, it's insane. Apparently they get dozens of hits a month.
• 26:48
  Whatever. I think that's a lot between them. The ad in Variety today
• 26:52
  that they put out, I'm pretty sure they went a long way. But
• 26:53
  it's convincing the producers to take me back, happy, to invite me back.
• 26:57
  It wasn't there a decision. They called, so you want to,
• 27:00
  you know, and I was ready, So okay, so okay, Well
• 27:07
  we'll get to him in a minute. But so when they do this stuff
• 27:10
  like that? Is that just the writers like, Hey, we're writing this,
• 27:12
  we're shooting this with another actor, Shanksy. When you see this,
• 27:17
  suck it up here we go, we watched this show and go, man,
• 27:22
  Shanksy doesn't give it anymore or he would to change this. Blah blah
• 27:26
  blah. Is he a lot cool than we take? You know that we
• 27:29
  give him credit for. So when they're writing an episode like this, he's
• 27:32
  like either feeding them stuff that they could be writing about, or do they
• 27:34
  write it and give it to him and he's like, that's hilarious, Yeah,
• 27:37
  let's do it. Yeah, where's the mix. I've seen him call
• 27:41
  people tirds on Twitter. So I don't think he has great decorn. I
• 27:45
  feel like a lot of that is self referential in like the like he gets
• 27:52
  asked a lot of that. By this point, he was getting that question
• 27:55
  asked a lot at cons and stuff like that, because it's I think,
• 27:56
  yeah, I think he had a pretty good like sense of humor about it,
• 28:03
  and he had to he would have. You know, he's an actor,
• 28:07
  and I guess pretending by this says they're a family anyway, It's like,
• 28:11
  you know, yeah, if they're going to write this gag. It's
• 28:12
  like, well everyone every he probably capped it. As soon as he come
• 28:15
  back for seasons seven. Everyone's giving him ship. They're probably texting him,
• 28:18
  you know, during season six and hey, Shangxy, you're naked in this
• 28:22
  scene to welcome back. Yeah, if any he would have stuck around for
• 28:26
  season six, you would have been clothed here. I bet I know how
• 28:30
  they out. I don't have any money, so I have to give the
• 28:33
  actors something else, figure trailers. I can't afford that either. No,
• 28:40
  I have to give them something that costs me nothing, but no actor can
• 28:44
  refuse. And what's that a good egostroking? No actor can refuse. I
• 28:52
  mean, I wish Lincoln was he he could talk about he gets at I'm
• 28:56
  sure he's getting a strike right now. And that's why I can't be with
• 28:57
  this here Hello the link? Yeah, okay, So it was Shanksy the
• 29:03
  other person I wanted to talk about. Uh, there was like it was
• 29:07
  too quick and I didn't pause it. It's too quick to read all through.
• 29:10
  Is it like eight or nine people credited with writing this episode? I
• 29:12
  want to say it the whole writing. So Cooper's part of everyone. Everyone
• 29:17
  piled in on this one. That's did you get the grab where Cooper was
• 29:19
  like, I don't I didn't want to do anything for two hundred. Was
• 29:26
  no, No, he didn't want he just want to do it as a
• 29:29
  normal episode. I didn't want to do anything. And they're like, what,
• 29:32
  don't be a dickhead? Yeah, you're a dickhead. You're such a
• 29:37
  dickhead. And they're like, oh, so we should do something. Yes,
• 29:44
  we were. That's why we're here to write it. There's two hundred.
• 29:48
  That's the name of the episode. So can you get on board please?
• 29:51
  It's such a dickhead all the time. You think that people like you,
• 29:56
  great, they don't because you'll like this is what this is what you'll
• 30:00
  like when you get back into the jungle and think that Jamal and Brando again
• 30:04
  on some ship in the complex. But you're also Francis for a couple of
• 30:07
  directly the story. We all heard that DVD commentary. We apply it Christmas
• 30:12
  Bodies and we laugh at it. We went, why wait, wan this
• 30:19
  bit, turn it up. This is going to be the best bit.
• 30:23
  It's like full metal jacket a kid what a dickhead Brad had called an Robert
• 30:36
  had called it, of course, and asked me if I'd be interested in
• 30:41
  doing the two hundredths, And absolutely I had no hesitation at all, in
• 30:48
  part because by that time over a year had gone by. I made an
• 30:55
  open admission that I missed people, I missed the camaraderie and the family atmosphere
• 31:00
  that we have here on Scargate, And I said, so, we'd love
• 31:03
  to have you come up and do the two hundreds. I'm sure we can
• 31:07
  probably squeeze it into you know, a day and and you know, get
• 31:11
  all your scenes shot. He's like, a day. Yeah, I don't.
• 31:15
  I don't just want to come up for day. I want to,
• 31:17
  you know, I want to. I want to play you got put together
• 31:19
  and here I am. It's yeah, made the show, made the episode.
• 31:23
  Him popping in, Yeah, yeah, even though you see you see
• 31:26
  him in the invisible se you don't see him. He's in the invisible scene,
• 31:30
  the voice work he does with the puppets, and then to have him
• 31:33
  there and then they all go like SG one goes through the original SG one
• 31:37
  go through up the ramp first. Yeah, but even like the fact that
• 31:41
  when he shows up, they're like, oh, this is like it'll be
• 31:45
  in the trailer. Yeah kidding, Yeahler, that was actually a reference that
• 31:51
  was something in particular that Brad right really wanted to put in. But when
• 31:53
  o'neel shows up and Carter talks about it being in the in the commercial,
• 32:00
  I didn't want to let that one go because we've had so many instances where
• 32:04
  we've worked very hard at planning twists in stories and had well, good example,
• 32:10
  Season one solitudes. Yeah, Brad's written this episode that hinges entirely on
• 32:15
  the on the fourth act twist that O'Neal and Carter are in fact not in
• 32:21
  a glacier on an alien plant. They're supposed to be on an alien planet,
• 32:23
  and it turns out that at the end of it they're in Antarctica.
• 32:28
  The TV guide logline Card and O'Neill are trapped in antarctica. Oh my god,
• 32:35
  what the hell? That was before spoilers. You wouldn't care back then,
• 32:39
  No, absolutely not, you would watch. I mean, we we
• 32:43
  had that that season where I played the like, the next week, let's
• 32:46
  start get one, and it was just giving away the entire plot because I'm
• 32:51
  doing whatever they could to get people's eyes on the TV at the time.
• 32:54
  Yeah, and Brendle, you wouldn't care like in the fact that we got
• 32:57
  it months and months out to like you mentioned, if you would have read
• 33:00
  that, you know, in early days of like internet chat about TV or
• 33:04
  something, and it would have been like, oh, they are confused.
• 33:07
  They think that on an alien planet and it's actually Antarctica, and there's a
• 33:10
  second gate you was a fan of, like, oh my god, I
• 33:13
  can't wait to see season one. But you know what I mean, You're
• 33:15
  like, oh, I can't wait to see that episode, and three months
• 33:19
  later you get to watch it. Yeah, and you just watch how something
• 33:22
  you already know unfolds in front of you, and that would still be the
• 33:25
  best way that you could possibly have experienced it. Whereas now an episode drops
• 33:30
  at five pm on a Friday afternoon here for us on Netflix or something,
• 33:35
  and if you haven't seen it by six thirty and you're on Twitter accidentally,
• 33:38
  it's the world. That's your fault. You onto Live Sport. Now,
• 33:43
  Yeah, you went onto the information supercomputer that is the Internet, and that's
• 33:46
  your fault. I'm sorry. You should not have went on to find out
• 33:50
  something about something completely unrelated, so you can't blame anyone else for that.
• 33:52
  It's like, you're right, But also remember it used to just be you
• 33:58
  would not spoil it if it was a twist. Yeah, you know what
• 34:01
  I mean, Like movies such as The Sixth Sense. You would never you'd
• 34:06
  be like, don't tell. Oh my god. The end of season five,
• 34:08
  Buffy dies. What Yeah, that is a spoiler alert for a twenty
• 34:14
  year old that I haven't watched and never will not. Now, well,
• 34:19
  there's two more seasons seen. She dies at the end of season one as
• 34:22
  well, but comes back about ten minutes later. She's like Daniel Jackson.
• 34:25
  The end of season five ends on a push in of her gravestone saying,
• 34:30
  here lies Buffy Summers. She saved the world a lot. Next season on
• 34:36
  Buffy, Yeah, yeah, and that's what it was like, even like
• 34:40
  they would have it here home and Away, water Rats neighbors next week,
• 34:45
  and then they show the entire episode on a very special episode and then yeah,
• 34:51
  car goes off a car crash and you're like, oh my god,
• 34:52
  how they're going to live? And then it shows them next week walking through
• 34:54
  the bush because they've gotten out of their car completely fine, Just like why
• 34:59
  why the c manne can look like Todd now in that grab I just played
• 35:05
  for you, and you might have heard an unfamiliar voice there with Robert C.
• 35:07
  Cooper doing the order commentary. I recognize that was Richard in Enson.
• 35:10
  Yes, okay, someone else, the one, the one man who you
• 35:14
  could call Robert sie Cooper's boss and he wouldn't change, he wouldn't say anything
• 35:16
  about it. Creator Brad Right, that was Brad. You might have noticed
• 35:22
  him in another part of the I sure did, I sure did. I'm
• 35:24
  playing it. Don't think I'm not playing it for crewman's stations. I'm picking
• 35:30
  up a strange energy anomaly. Colonel. It appears the Singularity is about to
• 35:34
  explode. Weapons or Maxim damnit can solar flare? We're gonna shock. We've
• 35:38
  had a straight for us. Can you reverse the hilarity. I'll do my
• 35:44
  best engine room warp speed. Take us out of here. Now take captain,
• 35:52
  but you're not expecting bloody hang on, hang on, hang on,
• 35:57
  right okay, one, that's Star Trek and it's ridiculous. The Singularity is
• 36:04
  about to explode. Everything about that statement is wrong. Okay, we need
• 36:09
  that is a sound. I love that, and it's ridiculous. I mean
• 36:15
  it was like he did a very good accent there, Brad Right, what
• 36:19
  would be I mean, I was watching that one. He was bones bones
• 36:23
  McCoy, Jim. It was a little bit doctor. It was a little
• 36:27
  bit of Popeye about speaking out of the sign of his mouth. Would have
• 36:30
  been kind of funny through in what's uh your favorite guy from Atlantis? Well
• 36:37
  that's what I was going to get. Oh really that was originally going to
• 36:40
  be Beckett brilliant, but Brad Right, you got to stick him in there
• 36:45
  some way. He was an actor in his younger years, and they were
• 36:46
  always trying every time, like you know how like Martin Wood puts himself in
• 36:51
  the back and Peter Delawiz puts himself in the back. They've been trying to
• 36:53
  do that for years with Brad and he's like no, no, He's the
• 36:55
  antithesis of Cooper because he's like, no, I don't need any special treatment.
• 37:00
  I don't need any spotlight writer. You know. He just wants the
• 37:07
  work to speak for itself. He doesn't need any acco legs. He's like,
• 37:09
  no, it's fine. He he like he that's the first and only
• 37:14
  commentary he ever does for the show because he's like, nobody cares about what
• 37:16
  I've got to say, and like they wanted to get me in with the
• 37:20
  hundreds that He's like, I'll do the two hundredth commentary and then spoiler later,
• 37:23
  there they are and he didn't have a choice, but but yes,
• 37:28
  like all the director has been trying to put him in the show for years
• 37:30
  in like a little background spot, and he's like, no, no,
• 37:31
  no, no no, And then finally this because because it's Star Trek,
• 37:35
  it's Star Trek. Brad is as big a Star Trek fan as I am
• 37:37
  in terms of he's an original series fan, so more than you. Well,
• 37:43
  yeah, because he likes the original stuff, so you know, he's
• 37:45
  been a fan of longer than I have. He's a trecky, but he
• 37:50
  and I are cut from the same cloth. Every time I would pitch a
• 37:54
  story in the room, I would pitch a story and Brad, that's an
• 37:58
  original Star Trek damn Cooper's that's what I would do. Known for ripping ship
• 38:06
  off, Yeah, like he does, that's what he does. Well,
• 38:08
  they phrased it a little bit differently over the years. We obviously had a
• 38:12
  lot of discussions in the writer's room about other science fiction shows as we developed
• 38:16
  the stories. For our you can't help but draw from the fabric of science
• 38:22
  fiction, the things that have come before you try to do, you know,
• 38:27
  send up of your own show without sending up some other iconic shows in
• 38:31
  the genre, iconic shows in the genre. Wizard of Oz, that's that's
• 38:43
  not a sci fi genre movie is no straight up fantasy. That's that's like
• 38:51
  saying Lord of the Rings is a sci fi movie, straight up fantasy.
• 38:55
  It was Oh my god, I was wrong. It was it was a
• 38:58
  dream. It was what about and you were there and you were there.
• 39:01
  I actually wanted Hammond to be the Wizard of Oz. That would have been
• 39:07
  great. And apparently Carter was originally supposed to be Dorothy. She should have
• 39:10
  been. Yeah, but then they went, oh, well, Varla's already
• 39:13
  got the pigtails, so that makes more sense and will make it doesn't because
• 39:16
  everyone the Wizard of Oz the Wizard of Lions throughout the entirety of the series
• 39:25
  one. Yeah, so yeah, it would have been good if Jack was
• 39:30
  in that, to be honest, instead of Brouder. Yeah. Yeah,
• 39:35
  and have Jack as tin Man because he played the robot tin Man in season
• 39:39
  one. Well, no, come on, tis Tilk's always going to be
• 39:43
  the tin man. I would have thought he was a better lion. He's
• 39:46
  not cowardly. Daniel's obviously the lion because he's the cowardly lion. Yeah,
• 39:51
  but till looks better he'd be. He'd be like Jack would have been the
• 39:54
  scarecrow. He's the one without a brain. Yeah, yeah, all makes
• 40:00
  sense. But yeah, no, I agree. I think, yeah,
• 40:02
  it would have been better if it was the the O G four being that
• 40:07
  and yeah, Hammond, because everyone's spoken about it before, who they would
• 40:09
  have him? Yeah, imagine, yeah, you're right. Imagine Hammond's like
• 40:13
  shiny bald head with flames going on. Oh, that would have been so
• 40:17
  good. See that's the if started was being made now and like we were
• 40:22
  running, it's like that's what tor and then be a Power Rangers thing and
• 40:27
  Hammond would be Power g One. All right, we'll thank the next special
• 40:32
  episode. Well, then when you get Laundry as the floating head and it
• 40:37
  just it reeks a little bit and you know, nothing against bow Bridges,
• 40:42
  but like it's it's like, okay, we're gonna stick in front of a
• 40:45
  green screen and you're gonna wear like a little green screen turtle neck it's just
• 40:47
  it's gonna be a floating head. He's like, Okay, just trust this,
• 40:52
  it'll be all you're not going to green screen now do this, but
• 40:55
  you're gonna be really unheaded. So he's like, you know, like big
• 40:59
  smile, Okay, now wiggle you had a little bit. Oh you know,
• 41:00
  like he's just doing like the most ridiculous stuff that they kind of done
• 41:04
  the bird call again. I just had him in the hat doing the bird
• 41:08
  call the flying crows. It's funny, like We're sitting there talking about all
• 41:15
  this and I'm like, this was a great episode, but I'm like,
• 41:17
  no, for thirty six minutes. I kind of struggled a little bit with
• 41:22
  it. But interesting, it's weird. It's like I think it's I love
• 41:25
  a small like was a short attension span because it's just ya different things like
• 41:30
  I love I love the love for the episode. That's why I love.
• 41:32
  I guess the story behind and why they did things. But then watching it,
• 41:37
  I don't know, it's very very strange, very strange. I'm struggling
• 41:40
  to with how I feel about it because you know how Marty at the start
• 41:44
  says something about a clip show, so he kind of expecting a clip show
• 41:47
  because they've done clip shows so many times, and then they've done that time
• 41:52
  O'Neill was invisible and you're like, hang on, that didn't happen, and
• 41:54
  so that puts you The first time I watched it put me at a disadvantage
• 42:00
  trying to play catch up with where where I think I was just at a
• 42:06
  different level of where that was. I wasn't expecting it. Yeah, yeah,
• 42:08
  if you like that. When you guys said it earlier with the furlings
• 42:12
  as well, you're just like, what so well done with it? Actually
• 42:15
  annoyed and I'm like, and it was like, this did happen? Actually
• 42:19
  don't. I don't like the furling scene at all. Really, I can't
• 42:22
  get past it. I love it. I feel like it's cooper is I
• 42:27
  think I didn't like well even though I because now you can't do the furlings.
• 42:30
  They were never going to do them, no, I know that,
• 42:32
  but yeah, even now can you do it? I think you can still
• 42:37
  do the furlings and make them little koala you what? But I think that's
• 42:39
  what gets is it fair? I'd make them evil? They called the furlings,
• 42:44
  and they're just very little bears. Like, well, the Daniel just
• 42:47
  translated it wrong. But yeah, but like I think it might be In
• 42:52
  the commentary of one of the special features, like Cooper says, I just
• 42:55
  made up. I just made up another name. Like we we knew about
• 42:58
  the Ancients, we knew about the as, we knew about the NOx,
• 43:00
  So I just I just made up a fourth name and never thought we'd ever
• 43:05
  address it ever again. And there was never any plan to address the Furlings.
• 43:08
  But then there was an episode in one of the early where someone says,
• 43:14
  oh, they sounds furry or something like that, they sound fairy or
• 43:16
  whatever. Yeah, maybe it was. Was it Citizen Joe the one that
• 43:23
  says it? Why, He's like, where are we going to meet the
• 43:25
  Furlings? Yeah, So they just kind of played into that, and I
• 43:30
  love it. Yeah, I mean it does work for how much they stand
• 43:32
  out as not fitting into that, into the show or into into the tone,
• 43:37
  the aesthetic of it, and the Asgarda just puppets as well. Yeah,
• 43:40
  I know, but I feel like they they feel like I feel like,
• 43:44
  maybe just because I've been with them for twenty five years or something,
• 43:46
  but they feel like they fit the aesthetic of the show. Whereas very much
• 43:53
  people in Koala suits walkering, but no, no, no, like little
• 43:58
  Telly tubbies or something that seems ridiculous. And so I like that, Like
• 44:02
  the second I started thinking this is stupid, like that they would look like
• 44:07
  that it cuts up. Well, this didn't even happen. I'm like,
• 44:08
  oh, good, Like it was building up to how ridiculous it was,
• 44:13
  and then it was the rug. You know, none of the rug was
• 44:15
  pulled from under you. The curtains were drawn, and you were like,
• 44:16
  oh I can I'll see what's actually going on here. So yeah, yeah,
• 44:21
  I'm just I'm a completionist. So I just in my head, those
• 44:22
  are the Furlings. I mean fair enough. Yeah, it's just like you
• 44:25
  can't. You can't give us three and not give us the fourth. And
• 44:29
  that would kind of be like what an in world meta way, like if
• 44:31
  say Stargut comes back, you know, in two years on Amazon and we
• 44:36
  have a team go out there and like Carter's running the SGC or something,
• 44:38
  and we meet the Furlings and she's like, that's insanely very close to what
• 44:43
  Marty described them as, you know, twenty years ago or something. You
• 44:45
  know, like it's an in world going, Oh, we just that's what
• 44:50
  we had them looking like way back when. It was kind of a funny
• 44:52
  thing to fans of the franchise for a long time that we kept them looking
• 44:55
  like that or something, except that maybe they come out and they all have
• 44:58
  like deep dark voices like Tony Todd or something instead of squeaky things. Well,
• 45:01
  speaking of Tony Todd, one of the most famous Lingons in Star Trek.
• 45:05
  Oh boy, I mean that was unnecessary, no, just because I'm
• 45:07
  explaining what you were saying, because that's what in the original series Star Trek
• 45:10
  Klingons were just guys with big eyebrows and like borderline black face, Like they
• 45:15
  just put them in this weird gold kind of makeup eging. And then next
• 45:20
  generation shows up in the eighties and suddenly they've got those big, giant prosthetic
• 45:22
  foreheads, and nothing is said about it. Nothing is said about the difference
• 45:28
  between them until like two thousand and five when Enterprise mentions it very and explains
• 45:34
  sort of why Klingons fifty years ago look given to Klingons now, and you're
• 45:38
  like, finally, it's like, you know, and you get that resolution,
• 45:43
  So yeah, you know, they could do a sort of similar thing
• 45:45
  with the Furling whatever they want. Yeah, like because it's even on that
• 45:50
  and this is separate to two hundred itself. But it feels weird that we
• 45:54
  I mean, I guess very quickly for the first couple on or we met
• 45:59
  the races the four Great right or three of the four Great Races, but
• 46:02
  we don't get to meet the Furlings. Oh really, like we got so
• 46:05
  closely. Yeah, but then it's also like, well, this is a
• 46:07
  massive galaxy in these are ancient races, so why would we ye, But
• 46:12
  it still feels like it's sort of I can't exist on either side of the
• 46:15
  argument. I need somewhere in the middle where it's like, well, let
• 46:19
  us wait a little bit longer and then we meet them, but they don't
• 46:21
  come to play. It's not like we meet them now and they're the key
• 46:24
  to stop stopping the aura, Like it wouldn't it be maybe Stargut Universe wouldn't
• 46:30
  have been canceled if it was a Furling ship. So they I mean they
• 46:35
  went to Furling worlds. Yeah, the I don't know if they've ever said
• 46:39
  it, like in the script, but that that one moon that Jack and
• 46:43
  Maybourne were trapped on that was potentially furling technology or something like that, the
• 46:51
  thing that transported and there like when Carter and Jonas where they're trying to translate
• 46:54
  and stuff like that. I don't know if it's ever said in the script
• 46:58
  or not, but kind of that's the accepted sort of rule thumb sort of
• 47:02
  with it. You know. What might fix it up for me is if
• 47:06
  like, because I always I think of the word furling, I think f
• 47:07
  you are l i n g fur and then it is how it's spelled.
• 47:12
  But if it was spelt even with an e r, or if it was
• 47:15
  fy r l i n g h or something like some y really weird way
• 47:21
  of spelling it in an English language, but then they just happened to be
• 47:23
  fairy creatures, I'd be like, I accept it, yeah, because it's
• 47:27
  not spelt f u r or something like that. As dumb as that is,
• 47:30
  there's something in my brain that can't quite accept a fairy creature that happens
• 47:35
  to be also called for something well, and they got they got double duty
• 47:39
  out of the little people that were in the Furling costumes because they also they
• 47:43
  also then played the little people in the Wizard of Oz yeah, I see.
• 47:46
  I think it took me. They got more than just a day's work
• 47:49
  out of it. You know, I didn't grow up the Wizard of Oz.
• 47:52
  I'm obviously aware of the story, and you have seen it a couple
• 47:55
  of times, and you know, Brendan and I were part of the musical
• 47:59
  in high school. That's sort of. But I still I just obviously wasn't
• 48:02
  paying attention because it was probably because it was Vala and already saw it.
• 48:06
  Okay, it's another bloody family guy, you know, little cut scene.
• 48:10
  Whatever. Oh I landed on this. You know, it was the Jafar
• 48:15
  the gold that was ruling that land, and then this happened, and this
• 48:17
  happened, oh whatever, and she's like and then I'm walking with the locals,
• 48:22
  I'm like, why are they are little people like that? Just it
• 48:24
  feels like you're making fun of them at this point. And then I'm like,
• 48:27
  oh, this is a Wizard of Okay that long realized. Again,
• 48:31
  I just didn't care. I wasn't really paying attention. And then I'm like,
• 48:35
  oh okay, because then like it split second, the thirty seconds of
• 48:38
  evidence caught up with me. But I just three star Cake will be crushed
• 48:43
  crushed. Oh I was. I was watching. I just didn't care.
• 48:45
  I didn't get the reference. Well, I mean you didn't get the Wizard
• 48:49
  of Oz reference. Obviously you didn't really get the fast Gate reference. The
• 48:52
  fast Gate one was so depth about all the Star Trek references. Maybe we'll
• 48:58
  do a reference that's you will know, Mitchell, what difference does it make?
• 49:02
  I mean, it's something You're gonna have an actual ticking clock on the
• 49:05
  screen. That's brilliant. That's ridiculous. Trust me, Jeopardy plus ticking clock
• 49:12
  is box office. It's the equals empty square of the entertainment world. As
• 49:15
  any executive ri ipd your twenty four podcasts for three years. Yeah, So
• 49:22
  what like, what are they referring to? Is it? I mean,
• 49:25
  are they just poking from you mean no countdowns before? That's yeah, yeah,
• 49:31
  But I mean, like that's the most famous TV show with a countdown
• 49:37
  clock on the screen is just twenty four, And I feel like they were
• 49:42
  just poking fun of themselves having that and every Yeah, like from everything that's
• 49:45
  done a ticking clock. But when did twenty four start get prior to this?
• 49:50
  It was two thousand and two, Yes, two thousand and six.
• 49:53
  That's Peter. Yeah. Yeah, ticking clock is a writing term as well.
• 50:00
  It's like, what's the ticking clock? Sure? Yeah, And I
• 50:01
  would almost give twenty four as a whether I was a fan or not.
• 50:06
  I almost give that as a as a past mark and have it excluded from
• 50:08
  that conversation because that's the that's the that's yeah, that's like, that's it
• 50:14
  is. It is nothing like it's it's it's in real time. So like
• 50:17
  time is the show, it is the story. Adding the happening in real
• 50:22
  time aspect is I think what I mean, I've never really seen twenty four,
• 50:25
  but you can join me in the hell they keep that up in terms
• 50:30
  of like filming, you would have to reset that clock or is it CG
• 50:39
  clock? Oh no, it doesn't the clock doesn't know, doesn't. They
• 50:43
  filmed it in six months. It's what's called post production Brennan. You know,
• 50:46
  it's it's literally film it all in twenty four hours. In the back,
• 50:51
  there's no clock. That's literally no. It's just like at the you
• 50:53
  know, at the beginning and the end of the of the ad break,
• 50:57
  it's like this is the time. It wasn't shot in twenty four They literally
• 51:00
  bring up four different camera shots and have a thing cut through and then there's
• 51:04
  just a superimposed clock going bop boop, and I guess, yeah, but
• 51:09
  I don't think two hundred they are making it fun of twenty four. I
• 51:13
  think they are making fun of that because they've done that. They've had in
• 51:15
  the gate room where they're counting. To me, everything else, like ticking
• 51:20
  clock is a writer's term. It's like, what's the ticking clock, what's
• 51:22
  the peril? What's the thing that's going to push the plot forward for someone
• 51:28
  to go, well, we can figure this out tomorrow. The ticking clock,
• 51:30
  you know, is a is a literary term. What I think they're
• 51:35
  making fun of is the fact that twenty four took a literary metaphor and made
• 51:40
  it a literal thimise and they said to that, that's ridiculous. What are
• 51:45
  you going to have a ticking clock on the screen. That's ridiculous. And
• 51:49
  it's like, because they did it in SG one, Yeah, but you
• 51:51
  cut away to it at like a bomb counting down. There's no bottles in
• 51:57
  twenty four. There's no bomb. They literally just can down the hours of
• 52:00
  the day occasionally, yeah, in its like a bomber's twenty four hour.
• 52:06
  Well, it might get this bomb is going off at midnight, and then
• 52:07
  you'd be like, it's eleven twelve, and the next Abreak comes back,
• 52:10
  it's eleven sixteen, and eleven forty seven. You go to an Abreak come
• 52:14
  back, it's eleven fifty two, you're like, holy shit. Yeah,
• 52:16
  But I think I think what it's doing is poking fun on the fact that,
• 52:20
  yeah, there's a ticking bomb or a ticking clock in something that might
• 52:22
  be in the last act of an episode. They based an entireing franchise around
• 52:29
  a literary term of a ticking clock, and that the whole premise of the
• 52:35
  show is a ticking clock. That I think they're making fun of that,
• 52:38
  that it's you've taken it to that such absurd level, and maybe because of
• 52:45
  the time it came out, Yeah, whereas I think definitely, I mean,
• 52:47
  it's it's probably more the I mean, you know, decades old trope
• 52:52
  of literally cutting back to a clock, and you know, we spoke the
• 52:57
  other way. I'm a massive Bond fan, but there's plenty of those.
• 53:00
  Either he stops it with one second or one of them. I want to
• 53:04
  say, was it gold Finger? The third one? There's a bomb and
• 53:07
  he stops it. You wouldn't believe it, Maddie when there's zero zero seven
• 53:13
  seconds to go, and it's like, oh, that is so on the
• 53:16
  nose and jumping the shark of the same it's jumping a shark with a really
• 53:20
  big nose. Oh my god, that's disgusting. But I jokey, is
• 53:25
  that a jujo? Absolutely not, And I want to take it back just
• 53:29
  in case it's taken that way by anybody. Think I think in twenty twenty
• 53:35
  three terms what that would be called twenty twenty four now you get after the
• 53:38
  references in twenty twenty four terms, it would be punching up because it's like,
• 53:44
  I don't think Stargate was as mainstream popular as twenty four. I think
• 53:50
  I think twenty four had a much bigger sort of you know, what do
• 53:53
  you call it? The Nielsen's grab, It was on prime time, all
• 53:57
  that kind of stuff. I think that show in Australia, that show saved
• 54:00
  Channel seven, Channel seven was in like as far as like I think that
• 54:04
  the Olympics. They had the Olympics in two thousand, two thousand and one,
• 54:07
  they were they had nothing going on. They were in dire Straits and
• 54:09
  they got twenty four and Alias one year in six months later than another show,
• 54:14
  and they had the two biggest shows show well, I mean a Madgie
• 54:17
  John show on Monday night, you know. So my my, my other.
• 54:22
  One of my other references, I referenced the show a lot is Scrubs,
• 54:24
  and they did a similar thing where like Scrubs have been running for years,
• 54:29
  was never winning awards, wasn't winning Daytime Emmys and Primetime memes and that
• 54:31
  kind of stuff, And then House came along, which was another medical show
• 54:36
  and just clean sweep was winning every single award there was for it. So
• 54:40
  literally, in like season six or seven of Scrubs, they reference House because
• 54:45
  doctor coxes walking around with like a cane and a limp, and he was,
• 54:47
  yeah, House, it's a really good show. It's like they've taken
• 54:50
  our lives and put it on TV, you know, so that's it's punching
• 54:53
  up. It's like, well I wish you know. And they did the
• 54:55
  same thing with Monk as well. They would make references about Monk, which
• 55:00
  I remember seeing. Did I watched House? I think the first season I
• 55:05
  watched maybe maybe half of them. Maybe I've got to the end of the
• 55:07
  first season wasn't a show that I kept up with on going. I had
• 55:09
  to watch it for Billy from Neighbors. Yeah, and then I think I
• 55:15
  saw the like a pre credits bit, you know, three four seasons in
• 55:20
  one night, and something happened. They go, Oh, it's actually no,
• 55:23
  this is what this means, this particular symptom, it means this,
• 55:25
  and how like almost down the camera goes what you mean, Greece Anatomy got
• 55:30
  it wrong, and I was like, ah, I see you're there saying,
• 55:32
  you know where the definitive medical show. We're not the sexy one.
• 55:35
  You know, none of our interns are having sex on the on the on
• 55:37
  the X ray machine like in that show where everyone's hot and everyone's doing each
• 55:42
  other and it's the three ways and or she's going everywhere, which is why
• 55:45
  I was better and why it's still going, whereas House is like, no,
• 55:49
  no, we're going to do it the right way and we're going.
• 55:51
  Gray's Anatomy is still going, like I think it's about the chick whose last
• 55:57
  name is Gray left the show like three seasons ago. She's gone. It's
• 56:00
  now just they're still going and she's had half cousins and half siblings and there
• 56:06
  for a while. It's a whole thing. Yeah, essentially days of our
• 56:09
  lives. Yeah yeah, But it's funny when when shows decide to reference the
• 56:14
  other, even just the fact that you get Jackson, they're saying that's Star
• 56:17
  Trek and you're like, oh, okay, so star Trek. And we've
• 56:21
  heard obviously them talking about star Wars like tilk watch star Wars be call from
• 56:23
  people who have all guest starred on Andromeda? What all the stars show all
• 56:29
  the stargate yea they that's how Michael Shanks met Lexadoy. Yeah he went and
• 56:32
  did a guest spot on on Andromeda. Yeah, Judge was on an Andromeda.
• 56:38
  I don't think. I don't think Amanda Tapping did Andromeda, but she
• 56:42
  did one of the shittier seasons of Supernatural, so yeah, she's got that
• 56:45
  in a like, I haven't watched you know, I haven't seen Star Trek,
• 56:50
  I haven't seen Andromeda, I haven't seen Fast Gape, I haven't seen
• 56:53
  many many of these other shows, right, but I watched star Gate and
• 56:58
  maybe just three episodes like this, or just the fact that they it's it's
• 57:01
  serious enough within it, but sometimes the characters don't take things serious, but
• 57:06
  not to the point and not to the detriment of the show. Except for
• 57:08
  Vala, but like O'Neill, great comedic, you know, timing, and
• 57:13
  he's a funny character. But when the world is on the line and survival
• 57:15
  was, you know, he's like, no, I'm serious, and I'm
• 57:19
  back to being this hardcore military guy and I'm going to get the job done.
• 57:23
  I think I like to think of Stargate as being, hey, yeah,
• 57:28
  we're not the biggest and we're gonna have fun with what we do.
• 57:30
  We can make fun of the bigger guys, we can poke fun at the
• 57:32
  stupid stuff that they do. It. It was pretty Stargate. Oh yeah,
• 57:37
  for sure. I'm not saying it's this point all time stuff, but
• 57:39
  I just mean I feel like it was. It's not like it ever got
• 57:43
  to the heights of being more popular overall. Maybe at the time it was
• 57:45
  bigger than any Star Trek show that was on or something, but it definitely
• 57:50
  wasn't that that kind of vanilla TV watcher was. It was a niche it
• 57:55
  had like it was bigger than a cult following. Yeah, in the same
• 58:00
  way, like mentioned the radio station that you work in. It's like it's
• 58:01
  all about the creative marketing in terms of it's like when the surveys come out,
• 58:05
  it's like, oh, where the number one radio station in Brisbane for
• 58:09
  people under forty And it's like it's you. You narrow it down to the
• 58:14
  point where you're the first person ever. You know, I'm the I'm the
• 58:16
  first trans non binary person of color to ever step on the moon. You
• 58:22
  know that kind of thing. I think Stargate was very much that because it's
• 58:27
  like no Star Trek series ran ten seasons, No Star Trek sheries were in
• 58:32
  longer than seven seasons. I would say something like the Next Generation had a
• 58:36
  bigger viewership, you know, made more money, was more of a draw
• 58:39
  card, but never lasted as long as this show. So it's like a
• 58:44
  lot of the shows like Sean Brighter and Faded quicker, but Stargate was always
• 58:49
  just that little engine that could just you know, and maybe get more fourth
• 58:52
  tier most popular TV show, but just kept on tracking on hardcore fans in
• 58:57
  the center against You watched it, you loved it, and you stuck with
• 59:00
  it, and you know, even through the Jonas season. Right. But
• 59:04
  it's not like Oh, well, you've got this hard core group of Stargate
• 59:09
  fans that can love Jonas and hate Shanks. And if you like, if
• 59:15
  you like Jackson more than you like Jonas, you're a fucking neub and you
• 59:20
  don't deserve to like this franchise. Whereas if you're a Jackson fan and you
• 59:23
  dared, like you know, you're a starget. You look at other Stargate
• 59:27
  fans, and you look at someone that kept watching Stargate and kept liking Stargate
• 59:30
  even though Jackson left, and you thought Jonas was a good replacement, Well,
• 59:34
  then you've lost all You've lost all crudibility. There's no infighting, like
• 59:38
  I mean again, maybe there's a Canadian production. Everything's just maybe. Yeah,
• 59:43
  everyone's a cool you know, they love it. But maybe because you
• 59:45
  know, Star Trek has decades and so many and up until that point when
• 59:51
  Stargate came along, had so many different series, a different series within the
• 59:57
  one franchise. It was like a new thing, like yeah, and but
• 1:00:00
  it was out before that, it was just like lost in space and like
• 1:00:05
  weird shit. Yeah, and at that stage, but not maybe like okay,
• 1:00:07
  when the movie came out, when Stargate started, we only had the
• 1:00:09
  three original Star Wars movies, but during its run and certainly up until after.
• 1:00:15
  By this point we've had all of the prequels. So Star Wars fans
• 1:00:17
  are suddenly eating each other as well over whether or not you can love or
• 1:00:22
  can hate or when you can they can coexist the original trilogy, this and
• 1:00:25
  the prequel trilogy, whereas now you can, now you can, they can
• 1:00:30
  love the prequels absolutely. Whereas where's Stargate. It's again, it's small.
• 1:00:37
  It's the one thing and the one timeline and the one series. Okay,
• 1:00:40
  now we've got Atlantis coming on, but it exists at the same time.
• 1:00:43
  We're going to keep crossing over. We're fine, these are the new kids.
• 1:00:46
  They were a little bit of extra budget and us, mate, we'll
• 1:00:49
  give you some extra money. We'll take it back. Burnot's finally. Everyone.
• 1:00:52
  You might have only had people that liked Atlantis or that only watched Atlantis.
• 1:00:54
  That's fine. You know what, maybe one day you'll go back and
• 1:00:57
  watch SG one. You find to like this. Now, wait till you
• 1:01:00
  see the other stuff. Everyone there was no even now. If you get
• 1:01:02
  to now, years and years after the show's finished, you know you haven't
• 1:01:06
  got Atlantis watches that hate SG one watches and how dare you like the og?
• 1:01:09
  They were ship like you do you don't like Star Traverse? Well,
• 1:01:14
  universe a bit different and until Origins came along and it's like, well we
• 1:01:16
  hate how dare that? But then but then and then you've got people that
• 1:01:22
  kind of like ourages. I don't see the big deal. It was what
• 1:01:24
  it was and it's final. I just like new Star oge watches and oh
• 1:01:29
  yeah, and that I'm like, no, don't accept mediocrity. Don't accept
• 1:01:34
  mediocrity. But you know what, if you've got something out of it,
• 1:01:36
  then here's the mathwere given that. You know, yees. Star Trek was
• 1:01:38
  arguably the more popular franchise. It's like when when SG one started, Next
• 1:01:45
  Generation was already finished. Voyager was in its like second was its third season.
• 1:01:50
  D S nine was in its fifth season, so it was like peak
• 1:01:52
  Star Trek like that was you know, it was huge. By the time
• 1:01:58
  Stargate got to its eighth season, every single Star Trek show would finish it.
• 1:02:04
  It was canceled, and it was indad it was a dead franchise.
• 1:02:07
  By when this show started. DS nine finished like two and a half seasons.
• 1:02:13
  Voyager had a seven season run. Enterprise had a four season run.
• 1:02:17
  It got canceled like two thousand and five. We're now in like, you
• 1:02:22
  know, the end of two thousand and six, and this show is still
• 1:02:24
  going in its tenth and one was Nemesis with two thousand and two. Yeah,
• 1:02:29
  and over that kind of it was like, Okay, we're throwing we're
• 1:02:31
  throwing another big budget movie. Oh yeah, it might have been. There
• 1:02:35
  was three other motion pictures as well. There was also yeah, three including
• 1:02:39
  Nemesis, there were. That was where I started to become like aware that
• 1:02:44
  the Star Trek was like because I just knew ar it's on TV and it's
• 1:02:46
  a really old franchise. And then the movie came out and it's like,
• 1:02:50
  oh, okay, so they're still doing like movie stuff. It's obviously a
• 1:02:52
  big thing. And it didn't do Gangbusters. And then shows were starting to
• 1:02:57
  become canceled or you know, redundant whatever, and I just remember hearing the
• 1:03:00
  commentary around it going, oh, this is this is a dying this is
• 1:03:04
  a dead franchise. And I remember even thinking I've never seen a second of
• 1:03:07
  it, but oh that's a shame, because it's been going on for so
• 1:03:10
  long. Now, I've never probably might have seen one or two episodes of
• 1:03:15
  Doctor Who in my life, but the fact that that's been around for sixty
• 1:03:19
  fucking years. If all of a sudden that died, I'd be like,
• 1:03:22
  that's a shame, because that's been around for so long and that show is
• 1:03:25
  its literally about reinventing itself for sixty years. That would be a shame if
• 1:03:30
  that died off, because even if you look at it, it's the same
• 1:03:32
  as it's always been. It's got a loyal fan base. Ever been consecutive
• 1:03:37
  years, No, and of course not no, it has had like massive
• 1:03:39
  breaks and through like the nineties, I don't think yeah yeah yeah. But
• 1:03:43
  the same thing like when when this season of Stargate was showing, it was
• 1:03:46
  the first year since nineteen eighty seven that there was no Star Trek on and
• 1:03:51
  it was a dead franchise. And meanwhile, Stargate is just like here we
• 1:03:54
  are and here's there are other spinoff show with Atlantas. Yeah, and that's
• 1:03:58
  when the magazines are gone nuts. Yeah, well, hang on, what
• 1:04:00
  is this? What started buried under the other two? Season eight and Atlanta
• 1:04:05
  starting was like crazy, Yeah, suddenly now it's a franchise with spinoff potential
• 1:04:11
  and that kind of thing. Yeah, absolutely fantastic. God, there's so
• 1:04:15
  many. That's one there, I can that's what it's whole episodes, like
• 1:04:23
  a past mark for the stuff. I mean we can still hear it.
• 1:04:26
  I mean it's well, that's you know what that that's three did. Yeah,
• 1:04:30
  we should have gone backwards. Yeah, it's like this, this episode
• 1:04:34
  exists outside of canon, like the episode two hundred does. This is a
• 1:04:40
  differential grab for us, given that this is something I mentioned back in maybe
• 1:04:44
  seasons one or two, and I feel like it's something that's stuck with Brendan
• 1:04:46
  for years. Beamed out, Sure, why not? You're not too convenient?
• 1:04:53
  Not if you hang a lantern on it? What's that? It's a
• 1:04:56
  writer's term. Another character points out, how can it is? Doctor Levant
• 1:05:01
  can say, wow, that was great timing that way, the audience knows
• 1:05:06
  I intended for it to be convenient, and we move on. That's so
• 1:05:11
  Cooper. Yeah, so Cooper. But also, like anyone who's got the
• 1:05:15
  encyclopedic encyclopedic knowledge of this podcast, I'm sure you can go back and find
• 1:05:19
  where I say that almost verbatim, like season one of the show, because
• 1:05:23
  I remember Bretty going hang a lantern? What does that mean? Me?
• 1:05:27
  Knew what that meant? Oh, maybe you're just being patronizing. No,
• 1:05:31
  I always knew because they say it. I think Cooper says it in those
• 1:05:36
  audio commentries early on too. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me. Hang a
• 1:05:40
  lantern. We can't go without playing this one. Oh yeah, I wouldn't
• 1:05:46
  mind one last John through the old orifice? What we call it that sometimes,
• 1:05:59
  don't we don't? We just forgotten. The best part about that is
• 1:06:04
  the way that O'Neil's does so in the puppet scene, which happened earlier than
• 1:06:10
  that, right, and does the point O'Neill's never done that before in his
• 1:06:16
  life. In the special features, they said the guys running the puppets came
• 1:06:20
  in on the weekends on their time off to try and figure out because basically
• 1:06:26
  what happened is all the all the actors came in and did that scene,
• 1:06:30
  just read the scripts, did the scene, like, blocked it out and
• 1:06:32
  acted it, and then the puppeteers recreated it with the puppets, and Jack
• 1:06:38
  when he was doing it did that point. Puppeteers thought, Oh, that
• 1:06:41
  must be a thing. It does we need to recreate that. They're like,
• 1:06:45
  it's a wobbly poppet arm on a string? How does it do?
• 1:06:48
  Like a hard motion like that. They came in on the weekends and then
• 1:06:53
  they're off hour to figure out how to do it, and came to up
• 1:06:55
  was like, look what we figured out. Look what we figured out.
• 1:06:57
  And Muttin would never have to tell them. It's like he's never done that
• 1:07:00
  before. Life cut to them him talking about n through the old orifice and
• 1:07:04
  he brings it back. I'm like, that's just feel like he's genius.
• 1:07:10
  Yeah, I feel like he's done that right, just that point in the
• 1:07:12
  air and the twist of the wrist. Yeah, I would have I would
• 1:07:15
  have thought so too, But maybe I'm just tally her like off we go
• 1:07:17
  through the stargate. Yeah, hmmm, like when they're going through the words,
• 1:07:23
  all right, let's go yeah, yeah, this is not as sort
• 1:07:27
  of yeah, not as ridges yeah as a puppet. Yeah yeah, unless
• 1:07:30
  he may be like oh no, he couldn't have seen the puppet and then
• 1:07:32
  and then bring it back. It makes sense for this episode though. Yeah,
• 1:07:39
  he's just in that mode. Do you really think the best way to
• 1:07:42
  introduce the heroes of the story is to show them causing a massive catastrophe.
• 1:07:45
  That one was just for the season one right as a star Trek discovery because
• 1:07:48
  it's literally what they did. Yeah, terrible, so terrible. This was
• 1:07:58
  a weird line, like great line. Everything was truth. I feel like
• 1:08:01
  maybe Carter should have said it, because I don't really believe Cam when he
• 1:08:04
  says it. He says it really a really weird way. Never underestimate your
• 1:08:08
  audience generally sensitive, intelligent people who respond positively to quality entertainment. It's basically
• 1:08:14
  neim like we had a rag, I could not be socided. Yeah,
• 1:08:17
  yeah, Carter would have been better. Yeah, because she's the one that
• 1:08:20
  does all the next position Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. She said,
• 1:08:26
  this is the reason I get paid is for the smart people in the audience.
• 1:08:30
  But my absolute favorite, and I think I referenced it in one hundred
• 1:08:35
  and I said, I can't wait till we get to two hundred to do
• 1:08:36
  it. It's one of my favorite things to quote whenever anyone makes fun of
• 1:08:41
  science fiction and stuff like that. I remember I remember one of my sisters
• 1:08:44
  making fun of me when I was like fifteen or sixteen and really got into
• 1:08:47
  sci fi, and she's like, what if you you you know, he
• 1:08:50
  just teached you things. It teaches you moral lessons, It gives you your
• 1:08:53
  own morals. And she literally laughed in my face when I said that.
• 1:08:57
  So I just love playing this to anyone who who doesn't see the significance of
• 1:09:00
  good science fiction. Science fiction is an existential metaphor. It allows us to
• 1:09:04
  tell stories about the human condition Isaocasmov one set. Individual science fiction stories may
• 1:09:11
  seem as trivial as ever to the blinder critics and philosophers in today, but
• 1:09:15
  the core of science fiction essence has become crucial to horror selvation if we are
• 1:09:20
  to be safe at all. Ah perfect. I love that so much,
• 1:09:26
  And that's why because it is every genre in one. That's why I like
• 1:09:30
  it. Yeah, you can have comedy, drama, action, thriller,
• 1:09:35
  horror, it's all. You can all fit it into sci fi. I
• 1:09:39
  mean they did in this episode. You have the horor zombie stuff at the
• 1:09:42
  start. You know, not to harp on Star Trek again, but it's
• 1:09:45
  like the whole premise of when gen when we made the original Star Trek was
• 1:09:47
  it's a Western in space that's all it is. It's wagon train, you
• 1:09:51
  know. So it's like when you're watching a lot of sci fi, you're
• 1:09:55
  actually Sweden did that? Yeah, it's like you're actually just watching a Western
• 1:10:00
  with a different Instagram filter on it. Yeah, with a space Instagram filter
• 1:10:03
  on sudden we did? You know, we're watching science fiction? Yeah,
• 1:10:06
  or even just at the crux of white people that the argument. You know,
• 1:10:10
  Star Wars isn't sci fi, it's fantasy. But I mean still you
• 1:10:13
  can put it into a sci fi john for the sake of this argument,
• 1:10:15
  and people, oh, that's that's such a ridiculous thing. I would never
• 1:10:18
  watch that. I like, you know, my stories that are outside of
• 1:10:24
  reality like blah, and it's like hang on. Blah. Is also about
• 1:10:28
  a you know, young village boy who gets swooped up by a you know,
• 1:10:34
  a random soldier to go and rescue a princess to return her to her
• 1:10:39
  castle so they can fight the overlord that's taken over the land. It's like
• 1:10:42
  that's Star Wars, guys. It's just you know, instead of having Merlin
• 1:10:45
  around, it's a you know, space wizard and you know, well and
• 1:10:48
  that's that stand up comedian. I forget his name, but he tells the
• 1:10:51
  whole story where he's like, Harry Potter is just Star Wars with shittier lightsabers.
• 1:10:57
  Yeah, they use ones instead of lightsaber. Yeah, that's it.
• 1:11:00
  I wish I had that, Like, I wish I could speak as eloquently
• 1:11:03
  as that quote when I try and defend, even if it's something as simple
• 1:11:08
  as a superhero, you know, should people Oh that's ridiculous, but hang
• 1:11:12
  on, take off the layer of this person flying or wearing a certain suit,
• 1:11:15
  or the type of bad guy they're fighting. What is the basis of
• 1:11:18
  what they're doing. So this person who's like had some development in who they
• 1:11:21
  are as a character, They've seen their wrongs, they've decided to change this
• 1:11:25
  about themselves, and their antithesis is bla and they try to stop. Like
• 1:11:29
  that could be a court room drama, that could be a business thing.
• 1:11:31
  That could be a high school comedy against going up against you, you know,
• 1:11:35
  your school yard bully or something. I'm like, it's it's such a
• 1:11:39
  it's a simple story trope. But we just thought, well, okay,
• 1:11:42
  that's been done before. Let's make them have green skin or something. And
• 1:11:45
  then all of a sudden, it's a different. It's a different genre,
• 1:11:47
  which kind of makes it a different story. Yeah. Well, obviously I've
• 1:11:50
  mentioned that a lot of times. There's that classic Starstrek episode where it's like
• 1:11:55
  there's half the planet have they're black on the left side of their face and
• 1:11:59
  what on the right side of their face, and the other half of the
• 1:12:00
  planet white on the left side of their face and black on the right.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah. I mean, but it was the sixties, so but it's just
• 1:12:08
  like and they're having a race war over that, and it's like, well,
• 1:12:12
  you're white on the left, but you're white on the right. And
• 1:12:15
  then I was like, well, when you look in the mirror, they're
• 1:12:15
  actually on the same side. Like, you know, that's that's just a
• 1:12:20
  you know, a story about race relations that we can take in our every
• 1:12:24
  day lives. That fascicle over the top candy sci fi you know, space
• 1:12:29
  opera type thing, and it's it becomes a little more palatable. Yeah,
• 1:12:32
  I still like one of my favorite ones. I couldn't believe the conversation in
• 1:12:39
  a way that I was having and it was all like perfectly timed to And
• 1:12:42
  I remember going I have a parents place for a feed and my brother had
• 1:12:45
  taken my parents to see Avatar, like it had been out for three weeks
• 1:12:50
  or something, and so it was, you know, going gang buses at
• 1:12:53
  the box office, and you know, everybody's talking about the second movie,
• 1:12:57
  and so then everyone feels the need to comment on it. And I'm like,
• 1:12:59
  oh, great, because I'd already seen it with Link and we loved
• 1:13:01
  it. And so he's taken my parents to try and you know, share
• 1:13:05
  that with them. And you know, my dad made a real point of
• 1:13:08
  saying, no, no, don't see the big deal of it. I
• 1:13:11
  just couldn't go what oh, just because you know, big blue cat people
• 1:13:14
  he's liked. No, I just couldn't get into the story in a story,
• 1:13:15
  just like I just couldn't get around I don't understand it. And I
• 1:13:19
  swear to Christ like that Christmas two weeks earlier than this conversation I'm having with
• 1:13:24
  him, and he'd also watch these movies. I given him a Clint Eastwood
• 1:13:28
  box set, well not even a box set, like a single slip with
• 1:13:30
  three movies in it. I forget the name of the movie, but in
• 1:13:33
  it Clinic and he'd said, oh, I watched this though, this is
• 1:13:35
  great, And it was a Clin east Wood film where he plays some type
• 1:13:40
  of you know, I hired gun to go and infiltrate the local Indian tribe
• 1:13:46
  to try and convince them to move out. Yeah, exactly done thousand times
• 1:13:51
  fern Glly all that sort of stuff. But like, this is an old
• 1:13:55
  school West, and like his grounded, like not fern Gully and Dance as
• 1:13:58
  well as like, hey, but it was more recently. This is an
• 1:14:00
  old school Western, you know, as ground as it possibly could get,
• 1:14:04
  and based back then too, so it felt even more grounded because it's set
• 1:14:08
  in a real world in our time, you know, two hundred years ago,
• 1:14:11
  one hundred and fift years ago, whatever. And he had to infiltrate
• 1:14:14
  the tribe, convinced them to move their grounds so that the local mining company
• 1:14:17
  could come and just completely rape and pillage their land for the oil or whatever.
• 1:14:23
  And I'm like, you know, that's the same story, right,
• 1:14:26
  and he's like, no, that's got nothing to do with it. I'm
• 1:14:28
  like, it's the it's a skeleton, mate, what are you talking about?
• 1:14:30
  But it's blue skin people in space And all of a sudden, oh,
• 1:14:32
  I know that doesn't make any sense to me. And I'm like,
• 1:14:34
  just like if you're not, as I just I can never get over how
• 1:14:39
  the idea of something being sci fi just labeled sci fi scares people away from
• 1:14:44
  being able to watch it. And then like you hear that line, you're
• 1:14:45
  like, ah, that's the only serious line that was in this entire episode.
• 1:14:49
  The whole episode was taking the piss out of the shape it exists in,
• 1:14:51
  taking the piss out of the entire genre and every other series that is
• 1:14:56
  part of it. But then you get that, it's like, this is
• 1:14:58
  why we do what we do. And he didn't mumble through it. You
• 1:15:00
  might people might have missed what he said there, but it's it's a quote
• 1:15:02
  from Isaac Asimov, who obviously he was a famous science fiction writer. I
• 1:15:05
  wrote, check out foundation, My god, Apple, I think I wanted
• 1:15:13
  to see the that that Morning Show with Jennifer Aniston and that Tom Holand movie
• 1:15:17
  Cherry or whatever it is. If you wanted to see that with Apple,
• 1:15:21
  get your three month and just crazy. I've got three weeks off. I
• 1:15:27
  do like that. That was good, That Morning Show. Yeah, I
• 1:15:30
  want to First season is great. Second yeah, second seasons like the part
• 1:15:34
  two. Third season is different, but it's still I think it's all good.
• 1:15:38
  I think it's a very very good show. But yeah, obviously,
• 1:15:41
  like you know, Isaac Asimov's Rules of Robotics and likes all that kind of
• 1:15:45
  stuff. It's like he's a he's a really you know, interesting and sort
• 1:15:48
  of lead thinker in terms of what was in terms of you know, science
• 1:15:53
  fiction and the and the metaphal like it's a extidential metaphor, which I think
• 1:15:56
  is really fair, especially when people like him and like Rodenberry or whatever,
• 1:16:00
  people that existed back when they were inventing, especially Asimov, like I forget
• 1:16:03
  how long ago he was around to write all the shit. It was very
• 1:16:06
  much an allegory or whatever based on real world shit, because at least now,
• 1:16:11
  if someone writes a sci fi film, they're inspired by other sci fi
• 1:16:14
  films that were inspired by other sci fi films, so it might be completely
• 1:16:18
  removed from the real world. It's just it's it's high concept based and inspired
• 1:16:23
  on other high concept whereas these guys were like, what if robots did this
• 1:16:27
  very real world thing or something like Foundation. It's set ten thousand years in
• 1:16:32
  the future, but it's all about human behavior repeating itself, and why if
• 1:16:38
  it repeats itself, it is doomed to fail, and it's on like different.
• 1:16:42
  I haven't even had even seen the first full season. I've seen most
• 1:16:45
  of the season one. Season two just wrapped up on Apple last two months
• 1:16:47
  or something. Season one episode one, the pilot episode of that show,
• 1:16:50
  might be the greatest pilot episode of TV I've ever seen, and one of
• 1:16:54
  the greatest single episodes of TV, given that we're here in twenty twenty four,
• 1:16:58
  where we obviously know what a massive flot rebel Moon was morally bankrupt.
• 1:17:04
  Just speaking of you're talking about how like you know, your dad's like just
• 1:17:08
  can't get into sci fi. My friend Mike, who I've spoken another podcast,
• 1:17:11
  his the line must be drawn here this far, no further. He
• 1:17:14
  can't watch anything with horses. He's like, if something's that horses in it,
• 1:17:19
  or that or that the Postman movie whatever, the Postman Horse Whisperer.
• 1:17:26
  Yes, so it's like Biscuit, no Sea, Biscuit Mate, no,
• 1:17:30
  no, no Lord of the Rings because it's horses. No Game of Thrones,
• 1:17:38
  no game like anything, hand off it could you imagine though, he
• 1:17:43
  goes to see Saving Private Ryan, there's no horse in it until right at
• 1:17:48
  the end there's like he's I'm out, gets up and walks out before that
• 1:17:53
  damon even comes into it. Is that the movie where there's like a just
• 1:17:58
  a just a depletely destroyed like war Seed, and there's like smoke like the
• 1:18:02
  horse and just one random horse just runs wrong. Yeah, he'd be out.
• 1:18:05
  That's it, Jerry Ships Okay, soorry? Did you did I skip
• 1:18:11
  over the fact just through my fury that no one saw that that Australian film
• 1:18:16
  ride like a Girl about a female jockey. He's sexist too, so he
• 1:18:23
  for a fact, But did I miss did you reveal why he why horses
• 1:18:27
  or just I don't think he has an egg? He just also far get
• 1:18:31
  into it. There's a there's an massive Buffy fan there's this there's like it's
• 1:18:38
  the biggest Horse Horse, the Biggest Hard of Horses episode. There's a there's
• 1:18:42
  a spin off series from Buffy called Angel and like the season two finale,
• 1:18:45
  they go to a different dimension where there's like it's like a rural town with
• 1:18:50
  all these like demons and stuff, but they have horses and he's like,
• 1:18:53
  I'm out, I can't do horses. Got a phobia or something. I
• 1:18:58
  don't know. After because obviously like he's a big sci fi loves sci fi
• 1:19:02
  stuff. I want to know how he feels about Firefly, because there's plenty
• 1:19:08
  of horses in that m so what about seahorses? Maybe he likes sea monkeys.
• 1:19:15
  I wonder if like people who don't like science fiction are scared of thinking
• 1:19:23
  too bah, because I just because you can make you think well about good
• 1:19:30
  sci fi should Yeah. It's like my mom and heirst and my Auntie,
• 1:19:33
  they're like, oh, Star Wars, can't stand it. No, I
• 1:19:38
  hate sci fi. Their two favorite shows growing up, Lost in Space and
• 1:19:42
  Doctor Who. They're fucking science fiction. No they're not, Yes they are,
• 1:19:46
  you dumb ass, I can't even know. I can't talk to you.
• 1:19:51
  I can't Doctor Who. I can't not only I can't explain it.
• 1:19:56
  I don't want to talk to you anymore. I could never get a Doctor
• 1:19:59
  Who. To be fair, I've never really given it a proper chance.
• 1:20:01
  The closest I got was one episode like it was a special Christmas episode with
• 1:20:06
  Kylie Minogue in it, where they're stuck on like the space Titanic. I
• 1:20:11
  was like, this is terrible. And then I saw one episode of Torch
• 1:20:14
  would really liked where you saw like this woman became like a bionic woman and
• 1:20:19
  she had like toilet roll holders painted silver stuck on the side of her head
• 1:20:25
  and she was a she was a robot woman. Like, nah, I'm
• 1:20:30
  done. No, I know Australia has fascape and it was American production.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah, I mean the best Australian sci fi is Sea Patrol. Sea Patrol
• 1:20:42
  is literally Star Trek on the ocean. It's what we're talking about. It's
• 1:20:46
  it's it's Star Trek on a different filter because they're traveling to different islands and
• 1:20:53
  their border patrol and they've got a chief engineer. It happens in real life.
• 1:20:56
  Yeah, but they've got not mate. They're stopping like it on board,
• 1:21:00
  they're stopping drug rings mate, in the arrow furious sea. This is
• 1:21:04
  high fantasy. That's exactly like you look at Star Wars and that's a you
• 1:21:10
  know or whatever. There there's a Western in space, like they've taken a
• 1:21:13
  real world concept and just thrown it up into the stars. Whereas you're saying,
• 1:21:16
  Sea Patrol has taken something in the stars and in the future and put
• 1:21:20
  it onto a boat in the Pacific Ocean. And I don't think it everyone
• 1:21:26
  logans. But it's like here's here's our chief engineer logan. She's that's our
• 1:21:32
  first officer. And then he is a sweetheart mate, he is our medic
• 1:21:38
  he's you know, it's you know because obviously Star Trek is based on you
• 1:21:42
  know, uh like in ships. Well no, like you know, the
• 1:21:45
  filter is like a ship is run like a ship in the sea. Yeah,
• 1:21:48
  you know, but yeah, it's like, oh, we're going to
• 1:21:50
  do it away. We're going to get out our inflatable boat and we're going
• 1:21:55
  to do a We're going to do an away mission. Yeah, that's why
• 1:21:59
  I like, it just takes a lot longer to get there. Not in
• 1:22:03
  season two. Not in season two when they get Yeah, thunder and Lightning
• 1:22:09
  they're called, isn't it's pretty much that. So the ship is called the
• 1:22:20
  hammers Lee. So then there I don't care. The motto guy is thor
• 1:22:28
  because he wields a hammer. So there are two ships are called they're two
• 1:22:31
  little directions are called thunder and lightning. You know does come into it.
• 1:22:39
  Although what was the big fellow in Blue Hills? Is it? Nick?
• 1:22:42
  Was Nick the big tour one, and he's he's the he's the zany doctor
• 1:22:46
  in n C I S Sydney. You know every every n C I S
• 1:22:50
  has that, like medic guy. Yeah, that's that's tall. Nick from
• 1:22:54
  Blue Hills. I never watch Hills. You missed, You've missed out.
• 1:22:58
  Although I got I got least mcewn in a better setting and HD with guns
• 1:23:03
  and she had ears pin back then, mate, not Blue Heel. Do
• 1:23:12
  you know what Blue Heels didn't have that Sea Patrol has. Sorry, sask
• 1:23:23
  I will give you sas Saskia Birdmeister in the first three seasons. You need,
• 1:23:28
  I need pictures, need vis google it, do yourself a favor.
• 1:23:32
  Jay Ryan, j big Ja. He was in it. He was in
• 1:23:38
  the new movies, J Ryan, it's a good show. I like it.
• 1:23:44
  The horror one I haven't seen. I started watching the first terrible.
• 1:23:47
  Yeah, the first one. First one was good, second one, no,
• 1:23:50
  I really I really liked the first one and the second one felt like
• 1:23:55
  it was. Yeah, it was really weird as not that many even many
• 1:24:00
  Stephen King movies are well. Yeah, I haven't seen enough. The first,
• 1:24:05
  if they did, was terrified me as like a twelve year old.
• 1:24:10
  The original maybe going to one of my first like boy Girl Sleepover, parties
• 1:24:14
  in like seventh grade or whatever, and they're like, oh, we're watch
• 1:24:16
  it, and I'm like, it's at this moment he knew, because I
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  mean, I was terrified by season one of Supernatural. I've always up until
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  that point, I had the lowest tolerance for any kind of horror, scary
• 1:24:30
  kind of movie shit. I used to get scared watching the first season Supernatural,
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  and that kind of helped desensitize me to scary movies. But I'm still
• 1:24:38
  I've still never seen a sore film. I've got no interest in seeing a
• 1:24:40
  Saw film. I ain't gonna go ground with any first one. The first
• 1:24:43
  one's good? Is it? The fourth one? They start getting the main
• 1:24:45
  character from Gilmore Girls in it? Third he comes into a third, but
• 1:24:49
  he doesn't really play a better part. I think I only saw two or
• 1:24:55
  three ship No, I think maybe three, maybe definitely four. We're back
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  with Baseball cap I think contractually he's only allowed to do that and Gilmore Girls,
• 1:25:03
  yeah, before he got the hair plugs. And now he's going to
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  show that my wife watched on Netflix and he plays a dad to an adult
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  daughter, and I'm like, is he that old? Who? What?
• 1:25:13
  The guy that the guy that played his nephew was the father from This is
• 1:25:16
  Us Milo Ventimilia. Oh, yeah, that's how old he is. He
• 1:25:20
  was like that kid. But you can be that kid who's the fun could
• 1:25:24
  be an uncle at three. You know, he was forty five to a
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  sixteen year old nephew. Sure, handsome forty five, I know. I
• 1:25:30
  found out today. I can't remember if I seen the movie Steve Martin Parenthood
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  Iconic. I remember that he's holding the kids upside down in the poster by
• 1:25:41
  their ankles. Yeah, Walking Phoenix is one of them. Yeah, I
• 1:25:45
  didn't even know that. Yeah he was. He was like he was the
• 1:25:48
  son of Keanu Reeves. It. He was like Keanu Reeves's girlfriend's little brother.
• 1:25:57
  Keu Reeves in that too. Yeah, I have to watch he banged
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  Ah that chick from like Saving Hope or whatever, that blonde like the blondel
• 1:26:05
  Yeah, veryhood. It's great. It's got Rick Moranas in it. Oh
• 1:26:09
  my god. And then a lot of boxes in diarrhea diarrhea slid. Yeah,
• 1:26:15
  when you're sliding in the hole and your pans are full of foam,
• 1:26:18
  diarrhea, diarrhea. I love Parenthood. And then they did the to bring
• 1:26:25
  it all back around. Then they did the reboot TV series starring Lauren Graham
• 1:26:29
  after she finished Gilmore. When he said to bring it all around, I
• 1:26:31
  think you're going to type back into Stargate into Gilmore Girls from literally ninety seconds
• 1:26:36
  ago. All is this starget? Is this a stcast? We were on
• 1:26:42
  a massive tangent which it just became a love letter to sci fi television and
• 1:26:45
  why it's so great, and then we transition to other stuffs and all of
• 1:26:48
  a sudden, we're going to conceive patrol again. Control was fine because it
• 1:26:53
  was time to start our parents side. It was fine. The record show
• 1:26:57
  you brought up parenthood. Thought about what I found out today walking because I
• 1:27:03
  wanted to see Napoleon. They're not playing it on the big theaters anymore.
• 1:27:06
  They're playing the Willie Wonka one. I mean Napoleon. I haven't even had
• 1:27:12
  a look at Apple now, like, what's going on when it's coming?
• 1:27:15
  Okay again, we're now we got on tangent. Napoleon an Apple film,
• 1:27:17
  right, Yep, it's an Apple film. Oh you know, Sorry,
• 1:27:23
  now I'm confusing with the other Apple film, Killers the Flower Moon. It's
• 1:27:27
  an Apple film. They release it makes an extra free money if it.
• 1:27:29
  Apple's got all the money in the world. They don't do it for money.
• 1:27:30
  They released it makes some extra money and getting the running for the oscars.
• 1:27:34
  I think just before Christmas, I'm flicking around Mativa and it's like Killers
• 1:27:40
  the Flower Moon. It's available now, and I'm like, oh shit,
• 1:27:43
  yeah, and it's like rent or buy on Apple right now, you pricks,
• 1:27:46
  it's your film. Wow. If I buy it now for twenty five
• 1:27:50
  dollars in a month, I'll be able to watch it forever for free too.
• 1:27:55
  Go and fick yourselves. Yeah, so, I mean you're gonna love
• 1:27:58
  these people are actually coming back, aroun. I'm seeing a lot of tech
• 1:28:00
  people tiktoks. People are like I never should have gotten rid of my physical
• 1:28:03
  media because there's like people are buying people who bought like a season of television
• 1:28:10
  iTunes ten years ago and it's been there on Sony was a big hit.
• 1:28:14
  Yeah yeah, iTunes now losing their contracts with certain things. Oh really,
• 1:28:18
  people spent twenty five dollars to buy a digital copy of a season of television.
• 1:28:23
  They're losing it because Apple. You know what, I hate copyright.
• 1:28:28
  I think it's a strange thing, Like I understand, say, Michael Jackson,
• 1:28:31
  he should have earned the money that he earns when he was alive,
• 1:28:36
  but at some point he's like he's dead, that copyright still exists, some
• 1:28:43
  others getting rich off his music. Yeah, shouldn't we shouldn't it just be
• 1:28:47
  open to license, like after ten years after he's dead or something like that.
• 1:28:50
  You should be able to just they can be. But like that's the
• 1:28:54
  thing, Like the reason that horrible fan for Stick movie was made was purely
• 1:28:59
  because the company that owned it was going if they didn't make another Fantastic Four
• 1:29:02
  movie part of the country was they were going to lose the rights to it.
• 1:29:05
  So like that happens all the time. Movies are made just so companies
• 1:29:10
  can hold on to the intellectual property of some kind of IP. Yeah,
• 1:29:14
  I get it, But like I just think after a certain time period it
• 1:29:16
  should just elapse and then it's free for anyone. Whereas I recently with Winnie
• 1:29:21
  the Pool, Yeah, no, Winnie the Pooh because of that blood and
• 1:29:25
  honeymoon in Pinocchio or something like that. Yeah, I think they're doing a
• 1:29:27
  horror version of that because that was on Twitter a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:29:30
  They are one hundred years old almost. Yeah. But the only reason I
• 1:29:32
  saw that and reminded of them being as old as they are is because someone
• 1:29:35
  said, just a reminder that in it couldn't be tended. It have to
• 1:29:39
  be like fifteen or whatever. Superman becomes public domain, yeah, because you
• 1:29:44
  know, we're coming up to nearly you know, a century until since that
• 1:29:46
  guy was invented. And they're like, and someone was complaining, oh,
• 1:29:49
  this is it'll open the floodgates and anyone will be able to make a Superman
• 1:29:53
  movie and it'll be terrible, and everyone's like, well, hang on,
• 1:29:56
  why is it a bad thing? Because it will allow you know, different
• 1:29:58
  people with different creative either differences or restraints and budget and blood, all different
• 1:30:03
  ideas not run by committees but by individual creatives or whatever. And then someone
• 1:30:09
  else do it and go yeah, yeah, Winnie the Pooh, blood and
• 1:30:12
  honey, there's your example of why anyone just getting any old thing and making
• 1:30:15
  it into something is not always a good idea. Now I haven't seen that
• 1:30:18
  yet. Do I want to see a movie with Winnie the Pooh is a
• 1:30:20
  serial killer? And yeah, daddy, yes, is because the oh bother.
• 1:30:29
  Yeah, but because these big giant studios are behind it, pumping out
• 1:30:32
  the marketing machine, going, this is the definitive version. They're not there,
• 1:30:35
  going this is the definitive version of Winnie the Pooh you were too scared
• 1:30:39
  to ask about by Blair. It's like, you can either watch it or
• 1:30:42
  not watch it. It doesn't matter. Imagine if instead of Star Wars being
• 1:30:45
  sold to Disney, and Disney goes, well, now we own star Wars.
• 1:30:47
  We do we want with it? Imagine if Star Wars went into public
• 1:30:50
  domain and people could just make Maybe there was forty Star Wars films out there,
• 1:30:56
  made by forty different creative actors to decide, and then it's up to
• 1:31:00
  else as viewers, to go which one you like and which one you don't
• 1:31:01
  like? Cannon doesn't matter, you can just go I really enjoyed this one
• 1:31:04
  for this aspect of it. Yeah, you're right. I think intellectual property
• 1:31:09
  and copyright and stuff like that, it's such a weird concept. You can
• 1:31:12
  buy an idea, you can buy someone else's idea and now it's yours.
• 1:31:15
  Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, it's very very weird, especially
• 1:31:17
  because, like, for example, a musician wants everyone to hear it they
• 1:31:24
  they need to make a living. You want them to make a living,
• 1:31:26
  to continue putting out great music. But once they're dead, it's okay.
• 1:31:32
  Let their kids eat off them for ten years and then that's it. Yeah,
• 1:31:36
  but then it's also week an artist trying to break into it, break
• 1:31:43
  in and make it. It's like, here's my please listen to my music.
• 1:31:45
  It is free here, free here, and it's a free Oh now
• 1:31:47
  I have some notoriety or now you will have to pay for it because this
• 1:31:51
  is my art and I need to live on it. And then and then
• 1:31:58
  they die, and then it goes on to the next skin, the next
• 1:32:00
  thing. Yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird concept. So just
• 1:32:02
  check back here in seventy years and we're all one hundred and whatever because we
• 1:32:08
  start making stargates stuff ourselves. That's why MGM made origins, and probably to
• 1:32:15
  hold onto it. That was their version of fan force it, like,
• 1:32:16
  well we have to make something, or you know, the rights revert back
• 1:32:19
  to someone else. Let's make our own streaming service. A waste of money.
• 1:32:26
  They would have lost money on that, right, oh my god.
• 1:32:28
  Yeah, I mean there was barely any budget, but they wouldn't get it
• 1:32:30
  back. They couldn't even keep a website running. God didn't we all watch
• 1:32:34
  it on you know, none of us had access this ship. Yeah we
• 1:32:39
  couldn't even access from Australia. Yeah, yeah, we couldn't. We could
• 1:32:43
  watch the first three to ten minute episodes and then we couldn't access the rest
• 1:32:47
  of it. Yeah we could even sign up for it. Yeah we couldn't
• 1:32:50
  sign it. You couldn't get a free T shirt here or thanks for saving
• 1:32:54
  us the trouble of forking out all the money that. Yeah, we need
• 1:32:57
  to insert the bit of reaching the ship out of it. Yeah. People
• 1:33:01
  still messages about Reese's RAND, so I haven't listened to it for a while.
• 1:33:05
  Should send him a text to watch two hundred and send a RAND team.
• 1:33:12
  I'll give it a miss, all right. He just had a son,
• 1:33:15
  Yeah, one month old. That's awesome, named Cooky. You know,
• 1:33:18
  if we're naming it after a character, well he's you know, he
• 1:33:23
  spanned beyond you know his Instagram Monica is at the fly. That's why he
• 1:33:29
  named him that. This is why I was upset. He named him Grayson
• 1:33:31
  the correct way back in February, So I just put him into my mouth.
• 1:33:36
  Is that what that is. Yeah, it's Mitch's cock, obviously it
• 1:33:41
  is. Really it is MINTI fresh, it's white. It's better than the
• 1:33:46
  big one and the god stop as you can't. But the long ess of
• 1:33:53
  my mouth is softer, it gets much like Mitch's penis. Ah, that's
• 1:33:57
  all right, my I let him go. That was me saying, I'll
• 1:34:00
  give bad head. My my niece gave birth to my grand nephew or whatever
• 1:34:06
  it is in February. They named their son Grayson as well, but spelled
• 1:34:12
  it the wrong way with an e. Yeah, they spelled it with an
• 1:34:14
  E. And I desperately tried to get my brother in law and nephew and
• 1:34:18
  what do you want to call her husband? Right? They named their dogs
• 1:34:24
  Parker and Mina. Parker after Peter Parker, Mina after sailor Mercury. So
• 1:34:28
  they deep cut. They're in, they're in, they're in the industry.
• 1:34:32
  I gave them, you know, a onesie, gave them seven I gave
• 1:34:36
  yeah, I gave him a onesie that had the flying Grayson's on it that
• 1:34:41
  spelled with an A, and she ended up spelling with an and me jesse.
• 1:34:45
  Everyone Everyone's like, no, you got to spell the name, got
• 1:34:46
  to spell it today and then yeah, was like, no, I'm spelling
• 1:34:48
  with an E. Yeah, that's fine because for some reason, since I've
• 1:34:56
  never heard that be a name in my life. Oh really and no neither.
• 1:35:00
  I actually now I've heard four different people calling that main character in Cougartown,
• 1:35:05
  the Courtney Cox show that she did after Friends, right, it was
• 1:35:10
  made by the same guy he made Scrubs, and obviously Rees named it after
• 1:35:14
  Robin Dick Grace for those listening, not the guy from He's not the guy
• 1:35:20
  from re Surprises all going roberin, what that little side who was in an
• 1:35:26
  Alantas Morissette is he gonna call him Dick for short? I do, that's
• 1:35:33
  Dick, going kind of like our mate Robbo. And he's like, he
• 1:35:38
  goes, oh, my name my son Gary. We're like, ah,
• 1:35:41
  gazz, what a legendaz gaz, and our lady's like just joking. His
• 1:35:45
  name's Luke. No, it isn't, No, it's not. I forget
• 1:35:47
  that kid's name is Luke one hundred percent of the time, mainly because my
• 1:35:51
  son's look so when they get together, it's like, sorry, man,
• 1:35:54
  he's og. So he's Luke. Your kid's gazz your wife made it so
• 1:35:58
  difficult to learn Gary, your wife made it so difficult to learn your child's
• 1:36:08
  names because when she put up albums of them on Facebook, she put their
• 1:36:11
  first name and middle name. So suddenly I've got like six names to try
• 1:36:15
  and remember. White Bread. I always said that about the most basic white
• 1:36:18
  bread mayonnaise names Sandwiches, James, Christopher, Luke, Alexander. Where'd we
• 1:36:25
  get Alexander from? I still don't know. There's no inspiration behind Alexander.
• 1:36:28
  I think we just like we're white. We need a name. Alexander the
• 1:36:31
  Colin Farrell movie obviously obviously, yeah, after the after the the Great,
• 1:36:36
  After the Great, another white man, obviously not no color of him at
• 1:36:41
  all, famously white, definitely. Yeah, so yeah, anyway, yeah,
• 1:36:45
  But then it's like, for the longest time, I'd look at you,
• 1:36:47
  like, which one's Christopher? Oh wait, none of them workmates.
• 1:36:53
  That one of the names of Giuseppe. So I'm like, yeah, I
• 1:36:57
  don't know. This girl we used to work here, who's brother's name was
• 1:37:00
  Giuseppe. Jess, Jess. She was on the street two men. Oh
• 1:37:04
  yes, yeah, her brother's name was Giuseppe. Well, congrats to Reese
• 1:37:10
  too, I mean just on the public forum of the podcast. Congrats to
• 1:37:14
  SO. I mean, you know, Recon, do you know much of
• 1:37:15
  the hard work over the last you know, twelve months. I guess he
• 1:37:18
  did about thirty seconds work. Yeah, about twelve months ago. I heard
• 1:37:24
  it was a really good thirty seconds though from Reese told me from his point,
• 1:37:27
  from his point of view, it was amazing. Yeah. I can't
• 1:37:30
  confirm So, but welcome to the world Middle Grace, and I'm sure the
• 1:37:34
  book his wife was reading was fantastic. Get into geek, get into gate,
• 1:37:42
  get into the gate Stargate podcast, Get into it now before it's too late.