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Excalibur & FrankenFerrari: Tales of Lambos, Prius to Daytona, and Surprising Collectors · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  John Summers is the motoring historian.
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  He was a company car thrashing, technology sales rep that turned into
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  a fairly inept sports bike rider.
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  Hailing from California, he collects cars and bikes built with plenty of
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  cheap and fast, and not much reliable.
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  On his show, he gets together with various co hosts to talk about new
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  and old cars, driving, motorbikes, motor racing, and motoring travel.
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  Good day, good morning, good afternoon.
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  It's John Summers.
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  Um, and in a continued exploration of this new way of storytelling, um, I'm
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  going to record this episode without Mark.
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  So, uh, yes, because he was there just as a foil, wasn't he?
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  Not really, but I've done a lot of stuff recently and I thought,
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  you know what, I'm just gonna Put together a script and and then talk.
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  I don't know why I feel the need to.
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  Explain to you, the hapless listener, why I'm explaining to you how
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  I'm structuring what I'm doing.
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  Why do I feel the need to do that?
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  Um, I did a road trip in Florida.
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  Um, this was a couple of weeks ago now, but Pebble Beach has come since.
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  And I'm like, you know what, talk about this Florida road trip, uh, before
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  you, uh, before you talk about Pebble.
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  So here we are.
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  Um, had a Prius as the rental car, not one of these new ones would have been fabulous
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  if it was one of the new ones would have been really interested to try that,
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  but as it was, it was the one that had the sort of insect kind of face and and
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  the sort of sedan like rear, um, to it.
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  So to my eye, not a displeasing looking looking car.
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  Um, yeah.
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  Did not like the second generation of Prius, the most common kind,
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  found that most unpleasant to drive.
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  This one seemed to have a, a more pleasant kind of, of
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  driving dynamic in, in general.
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  Um, you know, by that I mean, you know, it's, it was, it was, you know, the
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  electrification, the torque was nice, you know, the hybrid helped with that.
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  Um, it didn't have intrusive, like, regenerative braking.
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  Um, it's hard to notice that at all.
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  Um, I'm not the most gentle of drivers and, and it, in fact, it kept telling
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  me that when you turn the motor off, it tells you the score, it admonished me for
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  having aggressive use of the throttle, advised me to modulate the throttle more.
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  Um, patronizing.
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  Who wants a car that does that?
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  What kind of automotive engineer thinks that's a good idea?
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  But whatever.
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  I, after a bit, you can just sort of tune that out.
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  It also, it also, I think if you're speeding, I think the, the instruments,
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  they sort of go a sort of angry red, like, tap, tap, you're speeding,
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  rather than, you know, the normal, like, you know, eco green, or.
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  It blew or, or, or whatever.
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  I may be, I may be wrong in that recollection, but certainly the
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  instrument seemed to, to change color and, and this car, the car didn't seem
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  to give me a high score if I'd been on the highway and it set the cruise
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  above whatever the speed limit was.
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  So it was very flat.
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  It's, it makes Lincolnshire look, look hilly.
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  Um, a, a neighbor who I mentioned that to, um, told me a story about how, uh, when
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  there used to be lots of auto wrecking yards in Florida, that they were the
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  tallest buildings, uh, in, in sight.
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  And I, I was, was thinking about that because, uh The boy and I, on
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  our road trip, we visited Daytona, and he was like, Let's go to the
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  Speedway, and I was like, Well, really?
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  But there was a museum nearby, which is a Hall of Fame, and as we got
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  close, I realized that the two were actually adjoining the Speedway and,
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  uh, the Hall of Fame are sort of the same thing, and the Hall of Fame
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  had interesting exhibits by, by all accounts, so I thought, you know, I
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  would, uh, it seemed worth our while.
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  worth our while going.
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  Well, when we arrived, um, they were still selling visit, uh, they were
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  still selling tickets for the visit to the track that you could do.
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  So, uh, Ollie and I luckily got two of the last five tickets and were
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  able to, uh, to, to, to do the track tour, which, uh, Basically involved,
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  um, this big F 250 towing, kind of an open trailer with benches on,
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  like a railway carriage open trailer, and then a roof over the top of it.
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  So it didn't really protect you from the heat.
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  It shaded you a little bit.
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  It didn't really protect you from the heat.
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  And as we drove up the hill onto the track, uh, the guy asked people, the tour
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  guide was like, Is anybody From Florida and some people were from Florida and
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  he said, well, uh, for you people out of town, you won't need this explanation,
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  but, but for Floridians, this here is a ill, this is as we climbed up the banking
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  to go into the infield of the circuit.
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  Um, not very amusing, the telling of, of, of Florida, I think, as, uh,
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  so, so the Prius, um, I, I liked it.
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  I liked that it was nippy.
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  I liked that they could keep up with traffic.
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  I like the fact that when you were in traffic, if you stabbed the throttle,
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  the electrification was enough to be like a, a sort of monster turbo.
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  Um, yeah, so I, I really found, uh, a lot to, to like about it.
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  Um, you know, obviously it's Florida and, and, you know, you're in a rental car,
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  so you're not like, you know, I wasn't like exploring the limits of the handling
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  or anything as, as ridiculous as that.
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  Um, it was adequate.
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  Um, it did better than 50 mpg, um, and I really want to underscore that
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  that's really noticeable when you drive when most, because most of the
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  stuff I drive does less than half that.
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  So it's very noticeable just how, you know, it, it didn't, you know,
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  you didn't need to fill it up much.
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  And when I filled it up, a full tank was less.
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  Much less than I was expecting not least because gas was less in in Florida than
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  than it is in California But you know bottom line is I was really struck by
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  how you know in the past I've said that I felt like Tesla moved the iteration
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  of what the automobile was on, and I felt like, you know, Lucid has moved it
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  on again, and arguably Faraday Future.
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  I'm kind of keen to try one to understand how I feel about that, but I feel like
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  there has been this generational movement.
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  Where does the Prius fit in there?
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  I'm far closer to the Tesla than you would I would have
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  anticipated before I drove one.
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  I'm far further away from, um, my 2016 Fiesta ST.
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  Um, certainly a different generation from the, you know, 02 E55 AMG
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  Mercedes I have or the 01 Mustang V8.
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  So, um, really it was interesting from that point of view and interesting
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  that even a keen, enthusiastic motorist like me should quite like the, uh,
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  So just segue back to the track.
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  Um, to be honest, the visit was kind of naff.
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  Like we went to Victory Lane, it was too hot to do anything.
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  I didn't want to take pictures of me or Oli in Victory Lane.
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  You know, I, that was like blah, whatever for me.
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  But what was cool was we went around the, apron of the track, we entered on the back
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  stretch just before, um, the entrance to turn three, and then we went through, on,
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  on the apron, we went through turn three.
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  And when we crossed over onto the track, you could look towards You know, up the
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  backstretch towards the exit of turn two and get an impression of how steep
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  the bank was and the answer is bloody steep and you could look the other way
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  and you could actually see how steep the banking is on the entry of turn
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  three and as we drove through it you could see how steep it was and then
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  of course you come through turn four.
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  And exit there.
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  So, you know, I never would have thought the, you know, if you go to Daytona for
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  me, it would have been important to, to visit, you know, the place where, where
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  my favorite NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt.
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  You know, turn the wheel for the last time kind of thing.
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  It would have been nice to go to that spot to feel like you'd been there.
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  And we moved across that spot, um, in a V8 powered vehicle.
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  So, you know, that was, that was a cool thing to, to have done.
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  Um, I mean, I guess the other memorable thing was it thrashed with rain and we
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  were in a part of the wagon where we got completely wet, but that was fine.
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  We didn't really, Ollie and I didn't really mind that.
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  Um, we went up in the grandstands and had a look at that.
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  The seats are all multicolored nowadays, so that when the camera
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  pans past, it looks like the crowd's, the grandstands are full, whereas in
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  reality, they're, they're kind of empty.
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  And one wonders when the tour guide points that out to you, you
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  just wonder about the future of, of NASCAR as a mass market sport.
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  Um, you know, I'm.
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  Digressing here now, but this is the, the point of, of these, I guess, you
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  know, I've been doing some research into, uh, sprint car racing in the,
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  in the Bay Area, or what they used to call in the immediate post war period.
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  Right, it's Editor John here, just to say that the tangential link here is that
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  NASCAR viewing figures are declining, precipitously so, and indeed these midges
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  I've been studying, the same happened.
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  They had this massive Booming popularity in the late forties and then by the early
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  fifties, mid fifties, it was totally gone.
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  Um, big car racing because the big cars were spring, what we now call spring cars.
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  They were in contrast to the midgets, which were the same kind of car, but
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  produced to a much smaller scale.
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  And these would race on, you know, sub quarter mile.
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  Um, ovals, dirt ovals, sometimes paved, sometimes board tracks with all the,
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  you know, attendant, what they used to call in period, thrills and spills,
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  but what you and I would call a safety nightmare in, in terms of, you know,
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  cars tangling wheels and jumping up and, and, you know, wheels hitting people on
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  the head and cars turning over without, um, roll bars and, and all of that.
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  So, um, uh.
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  This is the challenge of doing it on my own, you see, I lose
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  my train of thought here.
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  Luckily I can edit myself.
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  I thought, why not bother?
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  That's really the authentic thing, isn't it?
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  Is to not, is to not bother.
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  So look, I've just woken my phone up and revisited the thing.
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  And I was talking about the Daytona track visit, wasn't I?
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  So we went to the museum as well.
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  Um, the Hall of Fame museum.
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  Um.
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  I'm not that imaginatively laid out, I would say, if I was being
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  a museum critic, but that seems very snobby and pretentious to have
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  approached it from that perspective.
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  I was mostly excited by the bluebird being there.
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  Um, it's Campbell's 274 or 282 or whatever that, that bluebird.
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  Um, really a great looking car and awesome to see it there alongside,
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  you know, Marshall Teague's, you know, fabulous Hudson Hornet.
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  Um, I guess I didn't know that Marshall Teague had Smokey Eunuch as
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  a mechanic on those fabulous Hudson Hornets right at the, at the beginning.
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  And, and that ties up nicely with a piece of history that Ollie and I, um, I'd
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  done myself more recently, but I'd sort of showed Ollie, you know, here is the
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  site of where Smokey Unix's shop was.
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  Here is the site where the fabulous Hudson Hornets, which he knows of as
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  Doc Hudson from the Cars movie, um, voiced by Paul Newman, the sort of
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  mentor figure for, uh, uh, the main character in the first couple of movies.
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  Um, You know, these dealers, these garages were close to each other.
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  Um, and you may or may not know Smokey Eunuch's place.
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  Um, when Smokey died or retired or whatever, it sat empty.
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  Then it burned in 2011 and now it's completely gone.
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  It's just Florida marshland.
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  Again, there's a street called Smokey Eunuch.
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  There's a, um You know, smoking unit way.
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  There's some nice condos.
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  There's, uh, there is, uh, a plinth and an information thing now, which
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  was, uh, which was pretty cool.
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  But as so often with American history, hot rod history, um,
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  the actual archaeology has gone.
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  Absolutely.
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  And completely.
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  Um, Marshall Tee Garage is still there.
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  Um, they're doing their business of, of, um, you know, doing jet ski
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  trailers with chrome wheels and lifting golf carts and, and good for them.
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  You know, uh, yeah, I, you know, Daytona Beach is Daytona Beach.
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  Um, you know, some German friends of ours visited there too.
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  And, and, you know, we're disappointed by, by what it looks like, but, you
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  know, this is a seaside town that's only developed in the last 30 or 40 years.
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  So it's inevitably going to more look more like a, a terrible resort on some place.
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  Terrible.
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  Resort patronized by British people somewhere in the Mediterranean.
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  It's inevitably going to look more like that or more like Las Vegas than
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  it is, uh, you know, uh, the kind of old city that, that we're used to.
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  And if I tell you that one of these Germans, um, you know, spend a lot
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  of time living in Cologne, you'll understand why, um, she maybe struggled
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  a little bit with the, with Florida.
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  Um, yeah, not knocking Florida, just it's a young place.
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  So young architecture.
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  So guess what?
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  The cars are history and, and not for nothing, just pivoting
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  back to the speedway, my God, the banking steep, right?
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  And, and I just want to underline that, that, you know, when.
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  With it, reading between the lines of NASCAR history, a lot of drivers,
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  when the super speedways first came along, were frightened of them.
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  So in other words, Darlington's one, if you're used to wheeling a car around
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  under a hundred miles an hour on a dirt oval with a car sliding around,
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  the moment there's pavement, the car's sliding less, you can run much faster.
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  The speeds are just much, much higher.
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  That's a different kind of motorsport, arguably, and it
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  began with, with Darlington.
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  Um, and I think, uh, certain drivers did well there and certain drivers didn't.
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  And I think, you know, we, we think of, um, you know, uh, uh, Buck Baker as, as
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  Darlington, you know, here's somebody who wasn't afraid to hold the pedal to
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  the metal on, on pavement all the time.
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  Um, I think the feeling of Florida was the feeling in Florida when the Speedway was
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  first built was, was even even more so.
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  Um, A1A Beachfront Avenue.
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  We remember the line from old, uh, Vanilla Ice.
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  Um, The scenes of Daytona when they were racing there in, in the
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  fifties when it was on the beach.
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  And then they make the turn up onto the paved road.
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  And the paved road is barely wide for two cars.
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  And you are looking at like Turner and Weatherly and um, convertible 57 Chevys
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  doing a buck 40 next to each other with, you know, barely room to get a cigarette
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  paper in between them kind of thing.
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  That era of, of racing.
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  Um.
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  Uh, it's mostly condos now, the beach is still open, it's hard packed, um,
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  it hurt Ollie's feet running on it, which shows you how great a surface it
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  is for racing, shows you why Seagrave came there, why, um, you know, uh, uh,
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  Campbell came there, so we understand.
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  Why it was a gray surface.
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  That was was interesting.
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  Um, the site of the North turn, there's a restaurant there called the North turn.
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  So the actual place on the beach where you see this film of them, of these,
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  you know, jalopies, that's what they called them even at the time, isn't it?
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  You know, under steering on the sand 100 miles an hour and then uh, Yeah.
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  bumping up onto the pavement and, and speeding on down the road and
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  sometimes like overturning and crashing into cars that had already crashed.
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  All of this kind of film that you see from NASCAR history.
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  That piece of road's still there, um, and I've got a little bit of film there.
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  I think it is the original pavement, um, just immediately after the turn, um,
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  on by a, by a car park where we parked up just before it's all been built up.
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  into it to condos.
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  So, um, interesting that the history is still there.
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  Um, interesting how they've chose to preserve it, package it, tell the story.
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  Um, Olly and I had fun.
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  Um, The other thing that we did in, in Miami, um, and, and this is just, uh, uh,
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  an interesting, uh, interesting thing was, uh, through Vimwiki, um, I encountered
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  this guy, John Tamerlian, um, forgive me if I've mispronounced his name, I
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  probably have, um, either way the bloke is an eat, slim, drink, um, Lamborghinis.
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  It's Lamborghinis.
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  I've said this to some of my colleagues at Pebble Beach and they, I could see
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  them mentally rolling their eyes, but, but this is the truth of what they do.
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  And they had cars on the lawn at Pebble.
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  And I can't underline how cool that was to, to, to see.
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  Curated, or online we are curated, curated Lamborghini.
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  It is Lamborghinis done with a Pebble Beach eyes, the Lamborghini, it's, it's
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  the Pebble Beach attention to detail and, and posterity and, and the stories
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  that he tells on VinWiki are awesome.
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  I love the, the, the stories.
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  Um, so he tells one story about a rare color, a green Diablo that
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  was in some Japanese guy's kitchen.
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  And it was there for years and years and years.
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  Um, he, like, bought the car, he restored it, or whatever, blah de
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  blah, I can't remember the full story.
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  When we were at the place, I saw the car in the workshop.
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  The workshop, the square footage of the workshop is probably bigger than
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  the square footage of the showroom.
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  At the showroom, the cars were packed in.
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  And I mean, it was impeccable quality cars.
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  It was, it was literally, like I picked out for Mark Gamy, the, the
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  yellow Diablo sv, but for myself, a black count, 5,000 QV wing, delete.
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  Just really, really great cars, great colors.
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  Just presented in a superlatively.
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  Good way.
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  In the best environment for, for Lamborghinis.
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  'cause Miami, my.
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  God, there is a vibe there and my God, Lamborghinis fit it.
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  I saw more of them than, than ever, you know, never did a purple Urus
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  actually seem like applicable.
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  But, you know, when you're on Miami beach and, you know, my word, I'm
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  not going to talk about the people.
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  My word, Lamborghinis actually fitted.
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  So a word on one would hope.
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  to Merlion came across in person as he does in in the video and and when we
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  rocked up he was there I just rocked up with my family it was 10 o'clock on a
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  Saturday morning or something and he was there he was selling the car I didn't try
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  and interact with him he was moving around because he had a customer he was selling
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  the car did the customer want a test drive the car was running they were getting cars
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  loaded for for Pebble I saw Um, the, the car, one of the cars they had on the lawn
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  at Pebble was a, uh, Countach that had been the 1981 Monaco Grand Prix Pace car.
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  Um, I saw that car, you know, sitting outside waiting to be loaded.
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  Um, I just love it when enthusiasts, when people who love
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  cars, are like enthusiasts, when the passion is, is authentic.
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  That's what's great about Pebble Beach generally.
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  Um, that's what's great about the car hobby generally.
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  Love the, the, the curated and, and Tamerlian specifically kind of embody.
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  So that was fun.
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  Um, also went to a super cool museum.
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  Um, forgot to mention this when was talking about the road trip,
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  the Death Valley, uh, 124 degrees in a pickup truck with no AC.
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  Well, the end of that and an eight year old boy.
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  Is that child endangerment?
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  I'm not sure that it is.
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  I just didn't criminalize myself.
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  I didn't do it intentionally.
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  No.
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  Yeah.
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  And anyway, um, I've just, I can, I'm, I may not trim that out.
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  Um,
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  At the end of our F 250 road trip, um, we stopped at a museum in Paso
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  Robles, and the symbol of this museum is the Estrella Warburgs Museum, and
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  the symbol is a P 38, so I naturally assumed that they would have P 38s
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  there, so these are this twin spar.
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  silver plane, little bit similar.
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  I think of them in the same area as the Mosquito, where it's basically
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  as a fighter, but it's got two engines and it's got twice the power,
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  twice the speed, awesome to fly.
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  This was a Pacific theater only thing.
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  Um, I've never seen one in the flesh.
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  Um, they don't have one.
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  They use the symbol, but they don't have one.
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  So that's a bit odd, but you know, that a phantom F4 and, and I was quite happy
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  walking around looking at, uh, uh, uh, these, these planes baking in the sun.
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  And I would just say, this is a theme of California that
• 24:16
  in California, the history.
• 24:18
  Is the history as you receive it, like the brown signs, the brown signs are going to
• 24:25
  be the site of some native American people like a hunter gatherer people and the
• 24:32
  variety of their culture is awesome and exciting, but it's from like, uh, uh, it
• 24:39
  feels to me like from thousands of years ago, isn't of course it's not, it's only
• 24:42
  from a couple of hundred years ago here in California, but in, in European again.
• 24:47
  Terms in Western civilization terms, this is, uh, this is a people who
• 24:51
  live before, you know, the Iliad.
• 24:55
  It's that kind of, you know, hunter gatherer kind of, of, of
• 24:59
  people and lifestyle and, and just, and just way of being.
• 25:03
  You've got that contrasted with all of these aircraft graveyards.
• 25:08
  With which is like Cold War relics.
• 25:11
  So even around San Francisco, you've got these missile Nike missile sites
• 25:17
  everywhere that were stationed to see off I don't know if it was seeing off
• 25:21
  the Japanese or seeing off the Russians or or or maybe somebody in between I've
• 25:27
  no No idea, but it's just a testament to, uh, uh, our paranoia in some ways.
• 25:35
  But Hey, if you like looking at old planes, there's loads of cool old
• 25:38
  plane museums on the West coast.
• 25:41
  And, and so we looked at that and thought that was pretty cool.
• 25:44
  And we wandered inside and they had some military vehicles as well.
• 25:48
  And then we wandered into another hall and all of a sudden it was
• 25:50
  the most amazing sprint car and midget collection I'd ever seen.
• 25:56
  It was, was like, it was like, I felt like the same time as I did when I
• 26:02
  stumbled into a church in Sicily, just because I had nothing better
• 26:06
  to do at that particular moment.
• 26:07
  I was waiting for Dana, who was having a cooking class.
• 26:11
  Um, and, and there was a Caravaggio, the, the altarpiece.
• 26:19
  Frescoed onto the wall of the church was a Caravaggio.
• 26:23
  I was, the church was only open because I happened, because, you know, it
• 26:27
  was being cleaned that morning or something, I can't remember that.
• 26:31
  But I got talking to the old lady cleaning it, and she was like, I was
• 26:35
  looking at the altarpiece being like, God damn, that's like Really awesome.
• 26:39
  And she was like, it's Caravaggio.
• 27:06
  Pebble Beach, 2023.
• 27:09
  What to say?
• 27:11
  Um, Well, I got back 48 hours ago.
• 27:15
  So it's fresh in my mind.
• 27:16
  That's the most important thing.
• 27:18
  Um, I think the headline is that after a decade of structuring the event in
• 27:25
  pretty much the same way, this year I structured it a different way.
• 27:29
  So for the first time in at least a decade, I didn't go to the
• 27:35
  Thursday morning start of the tour.
• 27:39
  Um, and that was really because I was just busy.
• 27:41
  I'd been doing other things and, and, and, you know.
• 27:45
  Um, my son was with me, he's young, was tired.
• 27:48
  I was just like, you know what, I'm not going to wake him up and
• 27:51
  force the structure that way.
• 27:53
  And, and it just meant that I did everything at a different
• 27:56
  time in, in a And in a different place and, and, uh, that was fine.
• 28:02
  Um, for the first time in a long time, I also didn't stay with a friend of mine
• 28:08
  who runs the, the, the docent program.
• 28:10
  And, and that meant that it was, was structured in a,
• 28:14
  in a different kind of way.
• 28:16
  Um, so, um.
• 28:21
  I stayed in this place, um, Soledad, which is down the freeway, uh, about an hour.
• 28:28
  And on the face of it, it's like, well, why would you even bother?
• 28:31
  Because it, given it's only, you know, two and a half hours home to San Francisco,
• 28:34
  but there's a long, there's a big difference between two and a half hours
• 28:38
  backwards and forwards at the beginning and end of every day, versus an hour.
• 28:44
  Um, at the end of the every day and also, um, quiet roads, um, part of the
• 28:50
  reason why I like this sold out place is, is the, um, If you have a look on the
• 28:56
  map, the route from Monterey, um, takes you, um, parallel to 101 for a lot of
• 29:03
  the route along some very quiet roads.
• 29:07
  Um, so I was kind of, I'm always keen to explore that part, that kind of rural
• 29:11
  California and see what that looks like.
• 29:13
  And of course that makes for tiring work, that makes for less
• 29:17
  tiring work at the end of the day.
• 29:20
  So, yeah, so I stayed out there and of course the reason for staying out
• 29:23
  there is if you know, Pebble Beach, you know, the, the accommodation
• 29:27
  around the Monterey Peninsula is just absolutely ridiculous over that weekend.
• 29:33
  So, well, what do I mean by that?
• 29:34
  I mean that a days in that might charge you a hundred bucks a night is
• 29:38
  going to charge you 400 bucks a night.
• 29:41
  No kidding.
• 29:43
  Earlier in the week, you know, if, if that's, that's like the Friday,
• 29:49
  Saturday, Sunday of Pebble Beach weekend, um, often they won't
• 29:54
  let you book for just one night.
• 29:58
  But, you know, I did stay in Monterey with Ollie on the Wednesday night and we got
• 30:03
  that motel for less than 200 a night, so.
• 30:07
  You know, it's not, it's not always completely unreasonable, but it pretty
• 30:11
  much is completely unreasonable.
• 30:13
  I was like, you know what, I'll see what it's like staying
• 30:15
  away and to be further away.
• 30:17
  And to be honest, I would do the Soledad, um, kind of stay again.
• 30:21
  I stayed in the Motel 6, you know, that part of Soledad's base.
• 30:25
  Soledad's actually a nice.
• 30:26
  town, but the Soledad part that I was staying in where the motels
• 30:31
  are, it's like a truck stop and and a McDonald's and a Carl's Jr.
• 30:35
  and you know, or just, just a truck stop basically.
• 30:38
  Um, but you know, fine for, uh, for, for me to stay and, and save me, you
• 30:43
  know, put, made the accommodation was, you know, the, the 100 a
• 30:48
  night I feel comfortable paying.
• 30:50
  So there we go.
• 30:51
  Um, that, so that was the trip structured a different way.
• 30:55
  It meant that I did, uh, a lot of driving.
• 30:58
  Um, but you know, for me, that's part of, of Pebble, um, weekend is that
• 31:04
  you spend a lot of time in the car.
• 31:06
  Um, you're not just looking at car events.
• 31:08
  You're spending a lot of time in the car, driving from one event to another, to and
• 31:12
  from accommodation, to and from dinners.
• 31:14
  Um, you know, it's a, it's a car weekend in every sense of, of, of the word.
• 31:20
  Um, uh, so.
• 31:25
  The thing I've got sort of on the top of my list, if you like, but the,
• 31:30
  the thing that I've noted down here was I like to try and really defocus
• 31:37
  on the minutiae and really get a sense of, of a general impression.
• 31:43
  Um, And I was struck last year by all the McLarens, there were lots of McLarens, so
• 31:50
  at one point a driving group of like 14 of them came past me and I was like, wow, it
• 31:54
  only feels like yesterday that McLaren was starting to manufacture road cars and yet
• 31:59
  here is like a whole subculture of people younger than me, people in their 30s and
• 32:06
  40s who've collecting these supercars, You know, they're coming to Pebble Beach.
• 32:11
  They're coming to car week.
• 32:13
  I feel like they're probably not on the lawn at Pebble Beach.
• 32:16
  Maybe they are, I don't know.
• 32:17
  Maybe they, they're the people that come all dressed up with their
• 32:21
  beautiful wives and girlfriends.
• 32:23
  Um, maybe they're the people that come on the lawn in the afternoon.
• 32:27
  Um, I don't, I don't know.
• 32:28
  I, it's a really peculiar kind of thing.
• 32:31
  I feel like there's a subculture of Pebble Beach.
• 32:34
  This is what I've said, I've said it on this pod before, I feel like there's
• 32:36
  a subculture of Pebble Beach, which I, which doesn't mingle in the Duesenberg,
• 32:42
  Packard kind of circles, which I feel like, you know, the, the, the, what
• 32:47
  actually happens on the Sunday afternoon side of it, I feel like there's a whole
• 32:51
  modern supercars, like, manufacturer, flashy parties element of the Pebble Week,
• 32:59
  which I have no, which I know nothing of.
• 33:03
  Anyway, so that was my thought last year.
• 33:05
  My thought this year Was around how many Rolls Royces that I saw.
• 33:10
  I saw many Rolls Royces, um, There seemed, there was literally a car park full of
• 33:15
  them at Barnardus, which is the flashy hotel, um, hour long 68 near Laguna Seca.
• 33:21
  If you're, you're looking on a map, and really a nice place to stay.
• 33:25
  I have nice things to, to say about it.
• 33:26
  But yeah, actually, they had a car park full of Rolls Royces.
• 33:29
  I guess the manufacturers were doing some kind of, of, you know, junket.
• 33:34
  Or something.
• 33:35
  But, uh, and, and don't get me wrong, you know, they are impressive looking cars and
• 33:42
  having seen lots of them, they seem less off putting the ostentatious than they
• 33:47
  did to me earlier in, in, in the week.
• 33:50
  And certainly the Cullinan has grown on me to the extent
• 33:54
  that I feel like this is how.
• 33:56
  It's truly a Rolls Royce, like Rolls, it was natural for Rolls Royce to do an SUV.
• 34:02
  Looking back, it wasn't like shocking that Rolls Royce should do an SUV.
• 34:07
  Rolls Royce do luxury cars, and luxury cars of the vintage period
• 34:12
  are the same shape and weight as a modern Suburban or Escalade.
• 34:17
  So, why shouldn't Rolls Royce do a Suburban or Escalade?
• 34:21
  Um, of, of their own.
• 34:23
  And, and there were some Cullinans, there were some of these, um, Suicide Door, are
• 34:28
  they called Ghosts or Wraiths or whatever?
• 34:30
  I don't know what they're called, but they do lovely contrasting paint.
• 34:34
  Some of them in very modern colors, some of them in old fashioned.
• 34:39
  I saw one in a lovely, um, uh, like 50s or 60s, um, Royal.
• 34:47
  Like royal blue, um, really did look, look nice.
• 34:52
  It had like a retro feel to it.
• 34:54
  Whereas, as I say, I saw another one that was like black and had a gold, gold
• 34:59
  mirrored hood, you know, bonnet was, was gold down to the spirit of, of ecstasy.
• 35:06
  And, you know, Rolls Royce always were for ostentatious people, but,
• 35:10
  you know, I just feel that Pebble.
• 35:13
  is that seems to speak to the way that Pebble Beach itself has become more about
• 35:20
  ostentatious people, people who are rich or people who are pretending to be rich,
• 35:25
  people who are, uh, who are seeing and being seen, I suppose what I would say,
• 35:32
  and that was what I felt about Miami.
• 35:34
  There are a lot of people who are seeing and being seen, a lot of people
• 35:38
  who had Lamborghinis because they That was a way of conveying that they were
• 35:44
  wealthy, which is probably the opposite.
• 35:48
  It's probably a way to convey that there's somebody who's recently acquired
• 35:52
  a lot of money and doesn't really have any idea of how to save or spend it.
• 35:57
  Um, but I guess that's Lamborghini's image, isn't it?
• 36:00
  And why not?
• 36:02
  I don't want to knock.
• 36:03
  People buy Lamborghinis.
• 36:05
  I would want to buy a Lamborghini myself if I suddenly acquired
• 36:08
  a lot of money, it seems.
• 36:10
  Uh, a brilliant expression.
• 36:12
  It's like the Crypto Bro thing, isn't it?
• 36:14
  The yellow Lamborghini, you know.
• 36:17
  No wonder Volkswagen dial understeer into them to make it easier for
• 36:22
  people graduating from Golf Diesels onto Lamborghini Hurricanes,
• 36:27
  not to crash into the scenery.
• 36:30
  With more frequency than Mustang people.
• 36:50
  So the reason why I missed the tour, the reason why Ollie was,
• 36:55
  was tired was we had a really big day looking properly at what RM.
• 37:01
  Have one offer and I guess RM are combined with, with Sotheby's now,
• 37:07
  and I think that that means they have access to a different, uh, kind of, you
• 37:13
  think of how large Sotheby's are as a property management and, and sales group.
• 37:18
  I, it feels as if RM have suddenly got access when the last couple of years
• 37:23
  since the merger have gotten access to a, a bigger, you know, customer list.
• 37:28
  Uh, uh, just uh, um.
• 37:32
  I suppose what I'm saying is I was very impressed by what they had on offer.
• 37:36
  Um, the breadth and depth of, of what they had, um, on offer at the Portola
• 37:42
  seemed better than, than, than ever.
• 37:44
  Um, You know, the press will have it that the 250LM, Ferrari 250LM, that
• 37:51
  could have been a 30 or 40 million dollar car, um, you know, stalled out at 70
• 37:59
  million dollars or something like that.
• 38:00
  I think I, I think I read well.
• 38:03
  You know, this seems Um, you know, churlish given they
• 38:10
  had many high dollar cars.
• 38:12
  They had a Michael Schumacher Formula One car, the display that they had the 250 LM
• 38:17
  on, they had a Zagato bodied, um, fifties, uh, Ferrari that participated in Le Mans.
• 38:24
  So that'll be a, you know, super rare body style, you know,
• 38:28
  didn't read up on, on that.
• 38:30
  Um.
• 38:31
  The thing they had that really tickled my fancy, and I definitely would have,
• 38:36
  uh, spent a lot of money on had I had it available, was they have a Lancia
• 38:42
  LC2, which I noticed this morning didn't sell, so this is the Hot Rod Turbo Lancia
• 38:49
  Group C car that, guess what, was really fast, but broke down all the time, so
• 38:55
  the Porsches went on and won, um I was reading in the auction description that,
• 39:00
  um, they did one year, they had a 2.
• 39:03
  6 and the next year they had a three liter.
• 39:05
  The 2.
• 39:05
  6 was the same engine as went in the Ferrari 288 GTO.
• 39:10
  Quite interesting.
• 39:11
  But this, this LC2, it's, it's martini livery.
• 39:15
  Um, awesome, awesome looking thing.
• 39:18
  Um, yeah, what I loved about it was the 2.
• 39:22
  6 spec, the motor that went into the GTO, it was faster.
• 39:27
  Then, um, the Porsches so, but unreliable.
• 39:31
  So the next year, instead of fixing reliability, they came
• 39:36
  with an even more powerful engine.
• 39:37
  And now I'd like 840 horsepower or something, and you're like, Oh, you
• 39:42
  know, welcome to Lancia Motorsport in the 1980s, where everyone works in their own.
• 39:51
  Idea and finds, you know, finds funding for their own crazy idea.
• 39:55
  And nobody stops to think about reliability or anything like that
• 40:00
  in a remotely constructive way.
• 40:02
  Um, and therefore Porsche one.
• 40:29
  The striking thing about RM was the, you know, right as they were
• 40:33
  meant to be closing, Ollie and I shniggled off upstairs and in a room
• 40:38
  that they had upstairs in the hotel.
• 40:41
  Um, They had an eight liter Bentley and my favorite car of the, and the eight liter
• 40:49
  Bentley for my money was a more elegant car than the eight liter Bentley that
• 40:56
  was on the show field at Pebble Beach.
• 40:58
  The following down, me, I love an eight liter Bentley.
• 41:00
  I didn't look closely at either of them.
• 41:03
  Um, well, I pretty closely the RM one lovely, lovely car,
• 41:07
  completely fell in love with it.
• 41:09
  Um.
• 41:11
  I obviously would have had a bid on that as, as well as, as the LC2, um, but my
• 41:17
  actual car of the show, uh, the car of the, of RM's offering was that a little
• 41:23
  Seata, um, with a, with the Fiat V8, like, Autovu, they call it, don't they, little
• 41:32
  small capacity V8 from the early fifties, Seata used up the extra production run,
• 41:37
  there was a class of them at Pebble a few years ago, and, With the right body on it.
• 41:42
  They're, they're not like Pebble winning elegant because
• 41:45
  they're just not big enough.
• 41:46
  And I'm not usually a small car guy, but my word.
• 41:51
  Um, I loved some of them at Pebble last year and, and the car that RM
• 41:55
  had, um, was just absolute poetry.
• 41:58
  So that or the eight liter Bentley, they were awesome.
• 42:02
  Um, the other thing that, that RM did that was, was kind of fun was, uh.
• 42:09
  They set up outside this Ferrari barn find collection, and I guess the plot
• 42:16
  was that the cars had been stored in a warehouse and a hurricane had happened
• 42:20
  and the roof had fallen in and crushed some of the cars, and they set the
• 42:25
  display up in the same way as when the, you know, the hurricane crushed the cars.
• 42:31
  Now, it didn't damage many of them.
• 42:35
  Um, but you know, the roof just fell in on it and, and in fairness, uh, the, the car
• 42:41
  that's made a little bit of news is, is the, the Mondial like a little sports car
• 42:48
  from the fifties, four cylinder sports car from the fifties, but pretty winning car.
• 42:54
  Um, I guess the estimate on it was one, two to one, six, and I think it
• 42:58
  did all of that, maybe a bit more, and this for literally a twisted chassis.
• 43:05
  Literally, there is, there's no car to restore that you're buying the
• 43:09
  VIN and a completely new car is, is going to be, uh, is going to be
• 43:15
  fabricated with, with that identity.
• 43:18
  And you might say, well, that's really fakey do and, and,
• 43:22
  uh, I might agree with you.
• 43:24
  Um, but that is something you can race at Goodwood without any
• 43:31
  feeling of, oh, I'm trashing.
• 43:34
  Something original.
• 43:35
  You can race that car like it came straight out of Scuderia
• 43:38
  Ferrari and you were a wealthy gentleman driver in the 1950s.
• 43:43
  You, you can get out and thrash it just like you could a Continuation Cobra.
• 43:47
  So, you know, is it, is it truly whatever the VIN number is?
• 43:54
  I mean, no, of course not.
• 43:55
  But, you know, the story, it can have a new history.
• 44:00
  I, I, I'm, I'm fine with it, it coming, uh.
• 44:04
  It coming out of the, it being remade, reanimated, like Franken Ferrari.
• 44:50
  So usually, on a Friday evening, I would take a drive along Carmel Valley Road.
• 44:57
  And I would, uh, park up in the Bonhams car park and have a little look,
• 45:01
  see what, what Bonhams had on offer.
• 45:03
  Um, didn't do that this year.
• 45:05
  Um, was actually around.
• 45:10
  Pebble Beach and the Lodge and looking at Retro Auto.
• 45:15
  Um, Retro Auto had, um, the usual like, you know, Mercedes selling
• 45:24
  their EQS stuff, which I can't get excited about, but the, you know,
• 45:30
  it's not really aimed at me, is it?
• 45:32
  Um, there was also a smaller but very compelling JDM display.
• 45:40
  Um, including a Spoon Civic.
• 45:44
  Why Spoon?
• 45:45
  I don't understand Spoon.
• 45:47
  I'm gonna need to Google Spoon.
• 45:49
  But like a white Civic three door with just like set up street
• 45:56
  race back and you're just like, yes, this is a classic car.
• 46:01
  This is the 32 Ford, the 55 Chevy, the Civic, the white Civic
• 46:08
  with the strut braces and, and the aftermarket wheels slammed.
• 46:13
  This is a classic car of the highest order.
• 46:16
  I feel like I need to buy one.
• 46:17
  I feel like if you fill a warehouse with them, in years to come, it'll
• 46:20
  be like Hot Rod Mustangs or Camaros.
• 46:23
  You heard it here first.
• 46:25
  Um, what they also had and what got my attention even more was a
• 46:31
  feature of JDM and the drift scene.
• 46:37
  A feature I've noticed is the use of four door sedans, because
• 46:41
  you're looking for rear wheel drive so you can drift properly.
• 46:44
  So, a lot of those cars, it's obviously better to have a two door
• 46:49
  car, they're more handsome, but generally speaking, it's hard to get
• 46:52
  a two door car with the big motor.
• 46:54
  Whereas you can get your, and by this I mean, think Infiniti Q45, Lexus
• 47:00
  LS400, something that has a big V8 that you can weld the differential
• 47:06
  up and turn it into something which corners like the Dukes of Hazzard.
• 47:10
  Because that's the goal with these kind of cars.
• 47:13
  Well, well, there was a car in this JDM exhibit that was stanced, you know,
• 47:21
  with the wide lit wheels, lowered with the drift stance so it can can slide.
• 47:26
  No bonnet, no hood, um, hood is Japanese, I don't know, whatever.
• 47:32
  The engine was exposed, the giant turbo all polished up show car standard,
• 47:37
  but looking like a drift car, the tailpipe that protrudes and bends up.
• 47:43
  And this was a, this was a four door sedan.
• 47:46
  I can't remember it was some JDM, uh, uh, Toyota.
• 47:51
  I think maybe a Nissan.
• 47:52
  Can't remember exactly what it was would include picture.
• 47:57
  Really interesting to see that there, that was one of the most interesting
• 48:01
  cars I, uh, I saw the, the whole, the whole of, uh, of Pebble Wheat.
• 48:08
  This is the end, this is the end, this is the end of us Slippery slide,
• 48:25
  take a ride You want the best of both worlds Give your heart, it's
• 48:34
  hard to find, you're not a beast
• 48:47
  I also.
• 48:48
  Um, missed the end of the quail, um, when I didn't bother driving down
• 48:54
  Carmel Valley Road like I usually would.
• 48:55
  So, historically, what I've done is the quail event takes place on the Friday,
• 49:01
  and if you sneak along by the golf course there, Um, as the show is closing about 5.
• 49:09
  30, uh, you might see interesting cars, but you will see interesting
• 49:13
  cars being loaded and quite often you can take a stroll across the field
• 49:17
  and see some of the cars left on the field, you know, because the show's
• 49:21
  over and, you know, people aren't.
• 49:24
  You know, there's workers, you know, already taking the thing
• 49:28
  apart, um, you know, unpacking.
• 49:30
  So, you know, a lot of cars are covered up.
• 49:32
  A lot of the stands have already gone by that time, but you can
• 49:35
  still see a lot of the show.
• 49:37
  And I've always felt like you really get to see a different, really
• 49:40
  high caliber of car at the Quail.
• 49:43
  So it seemed worth trying to do that.
• 49:45
  But, you know, I didn't want to sort of bend the rules this year.
• 49:49
  I was, I don't know, I was feeling.
• 49:50
  Rule abiding this year.
• 49:52
  I don't know.
• 49:52
  And anyway, I was up, as I say, I was up at the lodge.
• 49:55
  I was looking at this interesting JDM stuff.
• 49:57
  Mercedes had some really interesting cars.
• 49:59
  In fact, the car that Mercedes had that caught my eye the most was the
• 50:05
  car that appeared on the concourse lawn as the factory entry of in
• 50:11
  the Mercedes Benz S Class category.
• 50:14
  So they, the original S Class, if you're not aware, And
• 50:17
  Mercedes and Benz merged in 1926.
• 50:20
  They were forced to merge by the collapse of the Weimar Republic.
• 50:24
  Obviously at that point, it was critical that you did a good product
• 50:27
  that had some export sales, because otherwise it was like, you weren't
• 50:30
  going to survive and, and the car that they created, which was designed
• 50:34
  by Porsche was called the S class.
• 50:36
  Yes.
• 50:36
  Designed by Porsche.
• 50:37
  I said that correctly.
• 50:39
  This is Porsche.
• 50:40
  Uh, the, the.
• 50:42
  That's Porsche Senior.
• 50:44
  I can't remember whether it's Ferry or Ferdinand.
• 50:45
  I think Ferry is the younger one.
• 50:47
  Ferdinand is the older one, but, but whatever.
• 50:49
  It was designed by, uh, uh, Porsche.
• 50:52
  Um, and an amazing feat of engineering, great looking car.
• 50:55
  Um, and I was looking at that instead of being at the car.
• 51:49
  So I did get out to the track.
• 51:51
  Um, uh, we went on the Thursday, um, we arrived sort of mid afternoon.
• 51:59
  It was, I think it was 30 to get, I mean, or 60 to get in for the car and
• 52:06
  me, and the, and the boy was free.
• 52:08
  So if you were adults, that would work out quite expensive, but the parking was easy.
• 52:13
  Um, I guess it's pebble, isn't it?
• 52:14
  It just always does.
• 52:15
  So we, we went on the Thursday, so that, so that, uh, Monterey
• 52:19
  historic reunion officially runs from Wednesday through to the Sunday.
• 52:25
  So we went on Thursday and we could drive straight into
• 52:27
  the infield and, and park up.
• 52:30
  Um, we parked just.
• 52:32
  By the entry to turn five, the sort of bank left hander.
• 52:37
  So if you know Laguna Seca, I guess one is.
• 52:41
  One is over the crest over the start finish, two is the hairpin,
• 52:45
  three is the right after the hairpin, four is the next right.
• 52:49
  So we were parked just on the entry turn five, the banked left hander.
• 52:53
  Um,
• 52:57
  the boy knows the circuit now, always has me climb up to the corkscrew, which,
• 53:02
  uh, keeps me, uh, keeps me healthy and makes me regret having had the beer that I
• 53:07
  usually chugged at the bottom of the hill.
• 53:09
  Um.
• 53:12
  We loved walking, um, viewing, he loves viewing from the corkscrew.
• 53:16
  He enjoyed the Group C cars the most this time.
• 53:21
  Don't know where that came from, just the noise in the theatre.
• 53:24
  I think he just absolutely loved them.
• 53:27
  Um, they were the ones he wanted to look at when we were in, in the paddock.
• 53:31
  Um, we have a little spot at the top of the hill where we like to sit, where
• 53:35
  there's like a butt shaped rock that you can sit on that's, uh, in, in the shade.
• 53:40
  Um, because it was balls hot.
• 53:42
  I mean, of course, it always is, but it's balls hot.
• 53:45
  Um, My thought about Laguna, and I was saying this to him, is, is, uh, from,
• 53:52
  from there, from turn two, the tight hairpin, through three, the right, four,
• 54:01
  the next right, five, the banked left, and six, the next banked left, um, you
• 54:09
  can go faster and faster, and there's a wonderful rhythm, and I think when
• 54:13
  people say, oh, the circuit's technical, Um, I think what they mean is that you
• 54:19
  need to realize that it's been sort of designed to have that kind of, of rhythm.
• 54:25
  And that was a bit of a learning for me because I'm used to circuits like
• 54:29
  Thruxton or Silverstone where it's, the corners don't have, there's no sense
• 54:37
  of like rhythm or anything like that.
• 54:40
  It's just flat and fast and open.
• 54:43
  And, and, you know, people who don't know British club circuits,
• 54:47
  you do know Silverstone and the British Grand Prix cops.
• 54:51
  Corner at the end of the start, finish the 90 degree that they can
• 54:55
  go through flat out where, uh, VNA and Hamilton tangled a few years ago.
• 55:01
  I mean, that corner is everything about a British Club circuit.
• 55:06
  To me.
• 55:06
  It's, it's, it's fast, it's flat, it's open, and it's just not technical.
• 55:11
  You just have to like get the apex right.
• 55:13
  And the car has to be good and the kaons have to be big.
• 55:17
  And, and that's the, the, the circuit.
• 55:19
  Um.
• 55:20
  Laguna Seca has a whole different level of sophistication.
• 55:24
  It's, it's cool, but, and it's a different, it's a different kind of thing.
• 55:28
  Um, and I was thinking about that when I was there just, just, just recently.
• 55:32
  Um.
• 55:33
  The ones I love the most, um, were the historic Formula One cars.
• 55:38
  Um, you know, the, I guess Phil Riley has moved on to pastures new, um,
• 55:44
  he's the person, or he, his shop is the place to have your DFV rebuilt
• 55:49
  and it's just across the bridge over in, uh, caught in Madeira, just the
• 55:52
  other side of the Golden Gate Bridge.
• 55:54
  So I always felt like it was very practical and attainable.
• 55:58
  To, you know, buy a Brabham or your Lotus or your Williams Formula One car and have
• 56:03
  Phil Reilly do the engine building on it.
• 56:07
  Um, so we mourn Phil Reilly moments, a moment's silence or moments revving
• 56:15
  motors for, uh, for Phil Reilly.
• 56:17
  But, um, yeah, so I enjoyed the historic Formula Ones there.
• 56:23
  Um.
• 56:26
  I guess the other thing that I noticed being there is, is how, um, the brass
• 56:33
  era racing cars, the, you know, the epic stuff that I love that's not really that
• 56:38
  well suited to Laguna Seca, um, but every year at the, uh, You know, the Rolex
• 56:45
  Motorsport Reunion, which is the, the brand name, I guess, of, of the races at
• 56:51
  Laguna Seca over Pebble Beach weekend.
• 56:54
  Um, they always brand themselves like the Ragtime Racers and they have like
• 56:58
  a spot right at the beginning, right at the front of the, the paddock and, and
• 57:03
  posters and awnings and, and a whole.
• 57:08
  piece of theater, which is set up and felt very similar to the piece of
• 57:13
  theater that the auction companies had.
• 57:15
  And I was just thinking about how in an era where you can see what's going on,
• 57:21
  on the track at Laguna Seca, better.
• 57:23
  On YouTube than you can in person or where you can buy a vehicle from bring a
• 57:30
  trailer rather than going to an auction.
• 57:33
  It seems that they're stepping up, you know, the live events are
• 57:37
  stepping up their theatrical game.
• 57:39
  They're leaning into the fact that they recognize that this is sort
• 57:43
  of performative theater that you're involved in and there has to be this
• 57:47
  dynamic performative theater element.
• 57:50
  Otherwise, you just watch it on YouTube.
• 57:55
  Yeah, it's terrific, right?
• 57:57
  I'm not saying that this is, um, it's a bad thing or a cheesy thing.
• 58:01
  I'm saying that it's exciting that, uh, you know, the, the.
• 58:06
  The environment, you know, the, the smell, the motion, the drama of, of
• 58:14
  classic cars works well with the, you know, the theater should not be
• 58:18
  a stranger for, for classic cars.
• 58:50
  So two actual Pebble Beach itself.
• 58:54
  And, and again, this was structured a little differently for me, um, because in,
• 58:58
  in the past, um, my friend, Wayne, Wayne Craig's guy's name, he's the docent lead,
• 59:05
  uh, uh, uh, at Pebble Beach, been a friend of mine for, for, for years, great guy.
• 59:10
  Um, Wayne has usually been able to get us a ride with somebody who has a disabled
• 59:17
  placard, and that enables us to park in a different car park from the one that we'd
• 59:22
  normally, the other volunteers, park in.
• 59:26
  So most years, I've had the luxury of getting up a little later, parking in a
• 59:31
  car park reasonably close, and walking.
• 59:34
  To the lodge, um, where you get a volunteer breakfast and so on.
• 59:37
  Well, this time, not only had I, was I staying in Soledad an hour away from the
• 59:45
  volunteer parking spot, but the volunteer parking spot was a park and ride.
• 59:50
  And I had to, like, allow an hour for the parking and riding, so between not
• 59:56
  eating very well, not, you know, probably having a beer more than I should have done
• 1:00:02
  the night before, um, the rising at 3.
• 1:00:07
  30 or whatever horrific time it was I did have to get up,
• 1:00:11
  I just was not fully myself.
• 1:00:15
  All the way through all the way through the day, but that said,
• 1:00:20
  um, the show itself remains an absolute tour de force in.
• 1:00:30
  You know, certainly getting the very best cars and putting them
• 1:00:33
  together in the very best way.
• 1:00:36
  It's every class, every element you look at, the closer you look, the better it is.
• 1:00:43
  Yet, by 10.
• 1:00:45
  30 in the morning, you cannot see the cars or judge elegance remotely because of all
• 1:00:53
  the bloody people standing in the way.
• 1:00:57
  And That is, it's, it's literally, it's like visiting Paris and trying to
• 1:01:05
  go to an art museum and see whatever the thing that you're meant to see is,
• 1:01:11
  there's always some asshole taking a selfie, blocking your view, you can't
• 1:01:17
  like contemplate, you can't, you can't silently contemplate the Mona Lisa as it's
• 1:01:22
  creator did for hours at the time as its owners have through the centuries, which
• 1:01:29
  is what makes it as valuable as it is.
• 1:01:32
  You can't do that in the Louvre because there's some asshole from some
• 1:01:38
  other bloody European conquistador country driving their elbow into
• 1:01:44
  your face in order to take a selfie of themselves with the Mona Lisa.
• 1:01:48
  And I mean, just, ah, anyway, stepping off my rant.
• 1:01:55
  It's the morning is the time to see the cars.
• 1:01:59
  You can actually step back and appreciate.
• 1:02:03
  The elegance you can later in the evening as well if you stay late in the but
• 1:02:08
  of course a lot of the cars have moved around by then and you may not be able
• 1:02:11
  to appreciate the actual car that you're looking for until the end and I years ago
• 1:02:16
  I used to have the stamina to get up early do the whole day and and stay to the end
• 1:02:23
  but I confess this year I I didn't have as much stamina and uh uh I uh I left before
• 1:02:31
  The, the ramp ceremony, um, not least cause my first tour wasn't until 10 30.
• 1:02:38
  So between like arriving on the field at six o'clock and watching
• 1:02:41
  the cars and looking at them, there's then a long time, um, until
• 1:02:46
  your first, until your first tour.
• 1:02:47
  So I was exhausted, uh, certainly by, uh, by lunchtime, but anyway, um.
• 1:02:55
  In terms of the careful balance of classes that I love pebble for,
• 1:03:01
  uh, they contrast to something new.
• 1:03:03
  So we talked about, you know, Lamborghini, the curated cars being there.
• 1:03:08
  Um, it was 60 years of Lamborghini.
• 1:03:11
  It was 60 years of McLaren.
• 1:03:13
  Um, they had, uh, Senna.
• 1:03:17
  MP4 from 1988.
• 1:03:20
  Um, this is the year that Senna and Pross were dominant.
• 1:03:23
  This is the year that Senna emerges as arguably, if not the greatest
• 1:03:29
  driver ever lived, the fastest driver ever lived, arguably.
• 1:03:33
  So, the only way to frame that is to say that, you know, if, if
• 1:03:41
  Arthur was the greatest warrior who ever lived, Excalibur, his sword,
• 1:03:45
  is an awesome thing to behold.
• 1:03:47
  And in that McLaren, we are looking at Excalibur, and,
• 1:03:52
  and that was an awesome thing.
• 1:03:55
  Um, it's in a row that has three McLaren F1s in it, a road car that's
• 1:04:02
  done 200 miles in its whole life.
• 1:04:05
  A racy guy and arguably, I mean, maybe the car, the one Lamar, I didn't, I
• 1:04:13
  have not checked the car guide that they do a good job of giving out now.
• 1:04:18
  And fundamentally, the car guide has more information in it
• 1:04:21
  than I can give as to a guide.
• 1:04:22
  But.
• 1:04:24
  What the car guide can't do is the kind of stuff that the tour group that
• 1:04:29
  I had wanted, which was how does the concourse work and how do they choose
• 1:04:34
  the cars and all of that kind of blocking and tackling of, of, of the concourse.
• 1:04:42
  So, yeah, so my tour group was from Mercedes Benz and Mercedes Benz
• 1:04:47
  were arguably the featured mark.
• 1:04:48
  There was a class of S's, SSK's and SSKL's and, you know, you can
• 1:04:55
  see the model evolution there.
• 1:04:57
  And then in classic Pebble style, they do a Vanderbilt cup class and there's three.
• 1:05:03
  Mercedes from the Vanderbilt Cup era, which just shows what absolute monsters
• 1:05:10
  on the track, uh, Daimler and Benz were before the two companies merged.
• 1:05:15
  And then you've got this awesome S Class and you can show The punters, the
• 1:05:20
  difference between what your company was doing on the racetrack and what
• 1:05:24
  your company was doing on the road.
• 1:05:26
  And we talked about Sindelfingen and the in house coach building,
• 1:05:30
  which I, I just think is the most.
• 1:05:33
  Awesome thing.
• 1:06:06
  Don Williams, the Black Art Museum patron, uh, creator has, has passed,
• 1:06:13
  um, the Black, uh, the Big part of, of Pebble Beach, Pebble Beach
• 1:06:20
  have, have had a big song and dance, uh, uh, about it this year.
• 1:06:24
  Um, you know, and, and I want to, to pay tribute to how Don touched me in,
• 1:06:33
  in a completely unpretentious way, which is that, you know, my connection
• 1:06:37
  with the classic car space, Eh.
• 1:06:40
  in California began with my engagement with the Blackhawk Museum docent program.
• 1:06:48
  Wayne Craig, who leads the docent program at Pebble, I met him through
• 1:06:52
  the docent program at, at Blackhawk.
• 1:06:54
  So, you know, the connection is, is there, and there's still, um, you
• 1:06:58
  know, the core, our core of us, um, Pebble Beach docents who were docents
• 1:07:05
  at the Blackhawk or, or still are.
• 1:07:08
  Um, so, um, Don.
• 1:07:15
  His thing was to touch as many of the great cars as he could.
• 1:07:20
  Um, so in other words, he wasn't a buyer and a keeper, he was a buyer and a seller.
• 1:07:26
  Um, he sold the first million dollar car.
• 1:07:30
  He sold the first ten million dollar car.
• 1:07:33
  Um, the story that sums up his aesthetic best is the, the, When he and Ken Baring
• 1:07:46
  set up the Blackhawk Museum in Danville in California, um, the two of them had had
• 1:07:55
  dinner in Geneva, and they were walking in Geneva, as you do after dinner, looking in
• 1:08:02
  their windows of the watch shops, and, and They were looking at the way the jewelry,
• 1:08:08
  the watches, the rings were offset against this mirrored black background.
• 1:08:14
  And the thought was, we should do a car museum like that.
• 1:08:18
  We should do a car museum where the cars are set up like that.
• 1:08:24
  So that was the thought with the Blackhawk.
• 1:08:27
  And this is In a time when, this is in the 80s, in a time when, you know,
• 1:08:36
  and, you know, we have this term now, over restored, and, and at that time,
• 1:08:42
  we were over restoring cars, and, and, you know, my own desire to keep things
• 1:08:48
  original is at odds with Don Williams's desire to have everything as, as
• 1:08:55
  beautiful and shiny as, as possible, and let your wife Choose the color.
• 1:09:00
  That's kind of the way that a lot of people do these, these kind of cars.
• 1:09:06
  And, and, you know, for somebody who loves the original finish.
• 1:09:12
  Um, you know, gussying the car up and then taking it to a car
• 1:09:15
  show and hoping that it wins.
• 1:09:17
  That's just not a part of the hobby that I'm in.
• 1:09:20
  Sir Don Williams once said, uh, I don't like crap.
• 1:09:24
  And, uh, I always kind of took that personally because basically everything
• 1:09:28
  that, uh, I have would fall into crap as his category because he loves stuff.
• 1:09:35
  Absolutely picture perfect, you know, the white wall tires, the gleaming
• 1:09:40
  chrome, that was how he wanted cars to be, and in his era, in the 80s, you, you
• 1:09:46
  know, if the leather was cracked, you restored Um, and, and for us now, that's
• 1:09:52
  destroying the patina and it's really hard to, to, to think about, you know,
• 1:09:59
  for, for me, um, the, it's not just like the patina and whether the leather's
• 1:10:06
  cracked or not, or whether the paint's faded or not, whether you can, you know,
• 1:10:10
  win a car show with it or whether it's as the car was, you know, the original
• 1:10:15
  thirties leather, um, for me, it's about, Storytelling and dramatic as the
• 1:10:26
  Blackhawk notion of the car floating like a piece of jewelry against the background.
• 1:10:33
  Dramatic as that is, it blunts your ability to tell the story
• 1:10:37
  and relate it to the people.
• 1:10:39
  Um, so in the Blackhawk, you know, docents would always talk about
• 1:10:42
  wanting to have mannequins and Don was always keen to avoid that.
• 1:10:46
  Um, because they'd look absurd, right?
• 1:10:49
  They would make the cars look silly.
• 1:10:51
  Um, but With the mannequins, that was a great way to engage a tour
• 1:10:58
  group, especially children, with the idea that they might be able to ride
• 1:11:02
  in this car, drive this car, these are the kind of clothes that people
• 1:11:06
  used to wear to drive these cars.
• 1:11:07
  It was just a way of humanizing the exhibit, which is exactly what Don and
• 1:11:11
  Ken's original vision did not encompass.
• 1:11:16
  So I just think that's interesting and I think it's, it's, uh, there's almost,
• 1:11:20
  um, you know, it's museum fashions and it's fashions about how, um, to
• 1:11:26
  collect, um, how to show connoisseurship.
• 1:11:29
  That's fundamentally what is being, um, discussed here.
• 1:11:34
  Um, and, you know, I, I guess I could disagree with, um, Don
• 1:11:42
  about whether or not I like crap.
• 1:11:45
  He doesn't, I do.
• 1:11:46
  Um, I do love that he elevated old cars from being second
• 1:11:51
  hand tools to being antiques.
• 1:11:54
  Because before his time, you know, a Duesenberg was just an old car.
• 1:11:58
  And it was people from his generation who looked at them and were like, No,
• 1:12:03
  they're not just old cars, they're amazing bits of American history.
• 1:12:06
  And they really need to be preserved and gloried.
• 1:12:09
  And, and, uh, that's exactly what he and guys like Nethercutt and so on did.
• 1:12:19
  So, hat off to, to, so Godspeed Don Williams with your Touch Every Car.
• 1:12:24
  Godspeed, sir.
• 1:12:46
  Should say as well, the Trossi Mercedes was on the lawn, the Trossi Mercedes SSK.
• 1:12:52
  Trossi, of course, one of Ferrari's early financial backers, pretty handy driver.
• 1:12:59
  Um, raced an SSK, liked it.
• 1:13:04
  Later, brought it back, had a dramatic body put on it.
• 1:13:09
  It's the picture that I've used for the episode.
• 1:13:13
  Um, owned by Ralph Lauren.
• 1:13:16
  Um, I never before wanted to pick a best in show before the show, but this time
• 1:13:21
  I was like, the trotty car will win.
• 1:13:23
  Um, it wasn't being judged that much.
• 1:13:27
  There you go.
• 1:13:28
  It did win a couple of years ago.
• 1:13:30
  Um, a couple of other cars on the field have won other years as, as well.
• 1:13:35
  Um, applicably, uh, it was a.
• 1:13:40
  Mercedes that won this year.
• 1:13:42
  It was a 540k Special Roadster, a black one.
• 1:13:47
  Um, quite pleasing for me.
• 1:13:49
  Um, my tour group, as I said, was people from Mercedes Benz.
• 1:13:54
  Bloody excellent English, all of them, by the way.
• 1:13:56
  Um, I didn't even realize they were all German until halfway through my tour.
• 1:14:00
  Um, but, uh Um, didn't know much about the concourse, so I did a lot of explaining
• 1:14:07
  how the concourses mechanics worked.
• 1:14:09
  You know, you start with a hundred points, you get deductions.
• 1:14:12
  The class, whoever wins the class is the, you know, the,
• 1:14:15
  yes, the tool rows are important.
• 1:14:17
  If a piece is missing, that's a point off.
• 1:14:19
  Um, when did the judges do the judging?
• 1:14:21
  You know, how do we choose the judges?
• 1:14:24
  How does one get to be a, you know, all of that kind of stuff.
• 1:14:26
  Which, which, uh, uh, it was a real pleasure, um, talking
• 1:14:30
  with them, uh, with them about.
• 1:14:32
  Um, it just goes to show that people don't want the speeds and feeds on the cars.
• 1:14:37
  They really don't.
• 1:14:38
  Um, yeah.
• 1:14:41
  Um, it was very pleasing to me that my tour ended.
• 1:14:46
  I ended my tour by comparing a Mercedes 540k.
• 1:14:50
  With, uh, an eight liter Bentley and there was a horse in between and we talked
• 1:14:55
  about, you know, Audi and horse and, you know, we could compare the three together.
• 1:15:00
  They loved doing that.
• 1:15:01
  And then later in the afternoon, the Mercedes was best in show.
• 1:15:05
  So that just worked out well.
• 1:15:07
  I hope they had a memorable time.
• 1:15:09
  They certainly seemed like they, they did one particularly pleasing thing for
• 1:15:13
  me this year was I stood on the field at one point early in the day, trying to
• 1:15:17
  orient where I was going to stand my stand to do my various little talking spots.
• 1:15:23
  And a woman came up to me and said, did I remember her?
• 1:15:26
  And I was like, I'm afraid I don't.
• 1:15:27
  She said, you did a tour for us two years ago.
• 1:15:31
  Uh, we loved it.
• 1:15:32
  Um, we're doing another tour today, but I just wanted to say
• 1:15:35
  how much I enjoyed your tour.
• 1:15:37
  Um, and I, she went away and I was like, gosh, I don't remember you, but you
• 1:15:42
  remembered me and that's just super cool.
• 1:15:44
  That's why I, that's why I bothered doing this.
• 1:15:47
  Um, so black Mercedes, one best in show.
• 1:15:50
  Um, I used a black Mercedes for the show.
• 1:15:53
  Use the old E55, 800 miles backwards and forwards to and from Soledad.
• 1:15:59
  Um, it sat for six months.
• 1:16:01
  Um, before this time I did the battery and the.
• 1:16:05
  Uh, locks, as I've prowled about in another one of these pods.
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  But yeah, I just cracked 800 miles onto it, and the damn
• 1:16:12
  thing's just worn it beautifully.
• 1:16:14
  Um, some of them, you know, cruising miles, some of them
• 1:16:18
  really quite hard miles.
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  And I've lived in the car, as you tend to in these, at these kind of events.
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  You know, sat in it, um, with the air conditioning on.
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  Um, It's absolutely brilliant.
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  I love the W210 E55.
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  Cannot recommend it highly enough.
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  Um, yes, it has the rust on every body panel.
• 1:16:44
  Now it has a terribly cracked windshield, I guess.
• 1:16:48
  I was, when it came out of storage, I turned the wiper on, it was raining
• 1:16:51
  and I think the wiper must have been a bit stuck in dust or something.
• 1:16:56
  Anyway, it, when it cracked the windshield, so the windshield's
• 1:16:59
  now looking like it's, uh, uh, yeah, not terribly cracked, but
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  it's got three or four different, you know, foot long winding cracks
• 1:17:10
  away from where the wiper mounts.
• 1:17:12
  But we love the black Mercedes and this pebble was very much the
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  of, uh, of the black Mercedes.
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  So.
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  I want to wrap up by just talking about something that's just been gnawing
• 1:17:31
  at me about not just Pebble Beach, but about old car events generally.
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  Um, and it was sort of summed up by something a friend said to me
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  about how cadaverous appearing some of the entrants were.
• 1:17:52
  And In his mind, there was a contrast between the old car, which has
• 1:17:59
  been perfectly restored and the woman presenting it, who has had
• 1:18:06
  a ton of plastic surgery and yet still appears faintly cadaverous.
• 1:18:13
  Um, this sort of idea of the car somehow being legacy.
• 1:18:23
  This is why she's invested all this time and energy in an object which she
• 1:18:27
  says she's You know, not going to drive, like, of course I wouldn't drive it,
• 1:18:31
  which is the Object's purpose so that it seems odd in itself and, and, you
• 1:18:40
  know, she is trying to make herself new and the car has been made new.
• 1:18:45
  There's a very odd, um, I think the, I think the term is
• 1:18:49
  avatar is, uh, going on here.
• 1:18:52
  This is, there's a really odd, um, dynamic taking place, uh, uh, around this and,
• 1:19:00
  um, This idea was introduced to me, um, shortly after I had been overheard
• 1:19:09
  a snippet of conversation and it was during judging, so it must have been
• 1:19:16
  earlier in the day, or maybe it wasn't during judging, maybe it was either
• 1:19:20
  way, it was a, it was a contestant.
• 1:19:23
  Talking about himself with, with somebody and I just heard a snippet of what he
• 1:19:29
  said and he said because you know, I am a plastic surgeon by trade, you know, I am a
• 1:19:37
  plastic surgeon by trade and I'm thinking, yeah, the, the, the aesthetic on display.
• 1:19:46
  in the plastic surgeon's office and the aesthetic on display on the field of
• 1:19:51
  pebble beach are maybe similar things so maybe it would be poetic to just
• 1:19:58
  end profoundly there but i'm not going to do that i'm going to recommend a
• 1:20:03
  youtuber I've been watching, um, UK car.
• 1:20:11
  I'm not sure if he's a scouser, but he has a sort of scousy kind of accent.
• 1:20:15
  Can't remember the guy's name.
• 1:20:16
  Lee, Lee is the guy's name.
• 1:20:19
  He only started the YouTube channel in November.
• 1:20:21
  It's really picked up quickly because of his.
• 1:20:28
  I don't know, he has a really, he has a direct, clear manner, and he
• 1:20:34
  is the kind of person you would do business with, you can understand
• 1:20:37
  why he's been successful in the car trade, he used to do auction stuff,
• 1:20:40
  he tells us, he goes to auctions, um.
• 1:20:45
  Does an assessment of the car, you feel like you learn a lot.
• 1:20:49
  That's why I started watching him.
• 1:20:51
  Um, I guess YouTube's affected his life because he used to do an MOT
• 1:20:56
  station and he stopped doing that now.
• 1:20:58
  And he's setting up his own, like, used car trade, like, stand now.
• 1:21:05
  And I think partly it's because the YouTube thing has given him the chance
• 1:21:10
  to advertise and build credibility.
• 1:21:13
  in, in a completely different way.
• 1:21:15
  So just as part of my car storytelling, I just, just love this bloke.
• 1:21:20
  He's, he's, uh, you know, I enjoyed Rabbit's used cars when Rabbit
• 1:21:24
  actually talked about used cars, but now Rabbit's gone all Hollywood.
• 1:21:28
  Um, this guy from, from Northern England, he's taken over from Chop's
• 1:21:33
  Garage as my new favorite YouTuber.
• 1:21:38
  So.
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  Thanks for listening.
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  Don't know whether you feel like this format works.
• 1:21:46
  I disable all the comments anyway, don't I, so you can't insult me.
• 1:21:50
  So yeah, I don't know.
• 1:21:51
  Maybe I'll carry on with this format.
• 1:21:53
  Maybe I won't.
• 1:21:53
  It's completely the artist's whim.
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