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Mega Edition: Melanie Gibb And Her Testimony From The Lori Vallow Trial (10/1/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to take a look at what went on in
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom during day number four's proceedings. And to do that,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to once again be using an article from
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  Speaker 1: the eastidahonews.com. Headline, Daybell case resumes as Melanie Gibb gives
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  Speaker 1: explosive testimony on the stand. And we talked about Melanie
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  Speaker 1: Gibb yesterday a little bit and about her role in
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  Speaker 1: that cult. So it's going to be interesting to see
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  Speaker 1: what she has to say here on the stand. And
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  Speaker 1: the author of this article, once again, is Nate Eaton.
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  Speaker 1: And like the last few updates, we're going to break
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  Speaker 1: this down into two parts. The morning session and the
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  Speaker 1: afternoon session. So let's get started with the morning session
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  Speaker 1: and let's see what happened. 8.24 a.m. Inside the courtroom
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  Speaker 1: for another day of Vallow Daybell trial, a woman with
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  Speaker 1: a hat pulled over her face, was escorted into the
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  Speaker 1: courthouse by a Rexburg police officer. It appeared to be
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  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb. 8.28 a.m. Lori is wearing a light gray
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  Speaker 1: jacket and black rimmed glasses. Her attorneys are here and
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  Speaker 1: all of the prosecutors are at their table. 8.35 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Boyce has entered the courtroom. He reminds everyone in
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  Speaker 1: attendance to follow the courtroom conduct order. Larry and Kay Woodcock,
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  Speaker 1: along with several family members, are here. Annie Cushing. and
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  Speaker 1: her daughter are also here. Several members of the public
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  Speaker 1: are watching in the courtroom and in the overflow room
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  Speaker 1: in Ada County. 8.40 a.m. Jurors have been brought in
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  Speaker 1: the room. Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsay Blake will now
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  Speaker 1: question Melanie Gibb. Gibb is wearing a black top, white skirt, glasses,
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  Speaker 1: and is sworn in. This is the first time Lori
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  Speaker 1: and Melanie have seen each other since 2019. And with
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  Speaker 1: how close they were, you know that Lori wasn't happy
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  Speaker 1: to see Melanie over there taking the stand against her.
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  Speaker 1: And even in those phone conversations that were released previously,
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  Speaker 1: you heard Lori saying to Melanie that she had fallen
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  Speaker 1: in with people that, you know, hated Lori, that were
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  Speaker 1: against Lori. All of this delusional nonsense. 8.43 a.m. Melanie
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  Speaker 1: says she met Lori at a church event in 2018.
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  Speaker 1: She says she met Chad a year or two before
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  Speaker 1: she met Lori. She says when she met Chad, it
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  Speaker 1: was a casual introduction to each other. They periodically saw
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  Speaker 1: each other but were not close friends.
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  Speaker 2: 8.44 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says she and Lori kept in touch after they met.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie met Tylee within a week of meeting Lori. Melanie
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  Speaker 1: says Tylee seemed upset and frustrated with Lori most of
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  Speaker 1: the time. There was tension in the relationship, Melanie says.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says she met JJ within a week or two
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  Speaker 1: of meeting Lori. 8.45 a.m. Melanie says Lori was affectionate
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  Speaker 1: with JJ and she would sing him songs at bedtime.
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  Speaker 1: But as time went on, Lori wasn't as focused on
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  Speaker 1: JJ and Lori was distracted a lot. Yeah, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: she was. You start thinking about all of the crazy
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  Speaker 1: nonsense that these people were into. And yeah, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure she was distracted. with thinking she was a goddess
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  Speaker 1: and the rest of the nonsense. 8.47 a.m. Melanie says
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  Speaker 1: she saw Lori daily or several times a week during
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of their friendship. Things changed in January 2019
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  Speaker 1: when Lori started moving. Melanie lived within 20 to 25
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  Speaker 1: minutes of each other. They would get together, speak on
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  Speaker 1: the phone, and text message.
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  Speaker 2: 8.48 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie. In January 2019, Lori decided to leave Arizona and
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  Speaker 1: stay with Alex. Then she went on to Hawaii, then
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  Speaker 1: to Texas, and then back to Arizona by July 2019
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  Speaker 1: when Charles was killed. 8.49 a.m. Melanie says she and
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  Speaker 1: Lori went on a trip with five to six other
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  Speaker 1: ladies for a conference in Utah. Melanie observed a meeting
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  Speaker 1: between Chad and Lori. Chad and Lori had never met before.
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  Speaker 1: The conference was Friday, Saturday, and on Sunday, Most people
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  Speaker 1: went home. Chad stayed Friday and Saturday. Lori and Melanie
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  Speaker 1: were in the area Friday through Sunday. So this is
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  Speaker 1: the genesis of that relationship, basically. Obviously, they were talking
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  Speaker 1: online and all of that stuff. And then they finally
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  Speaker 1: get to meet in person and they hit it off.
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  Speaker 1: And from there, things begin to spiral out of control. 8.51 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Chad and Lori were very friendly to each other.
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  Speaker 1: talking a lot about the beliefs they had, and there
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  Speaker 1: was definitely an attraction at the beginning. Lori was very
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  Speaker 1: interested in Chad, like someone who would meet someone they're
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  Speaker 1: attracted to. She seemed flattered with him and was flirty-like. 8.52 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori had read a few of Chad's books
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  Speaker 1: before they met. So she was already going in with
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  Speaker 1: those preconceived notions of, hey, this is the author that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I read his books and I'm into all
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  Speaker 1: of the crazy shit that he's into. And now I
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  Speaker 1: get to meet him. 8.54 a.m. Melanie has asked if
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  Speaker 1: she ever spoke with Chad about the first time she
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  Speaker 1: met Lori. She says most likely, but doesn't remember. Melanie
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  Speaker 1: spoke with Lori after Lori meeting Chad. She shared with
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  Speaker 1: me that he told her that they had been married
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  Speaker 1: in another time period. She did believe that. She had
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  Speaker 1: already the belief system that this multiple lives, as they
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  Speaker 1: would call it, she already believed that before she physically
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  Speaker 1: met him. So she was into all of that stuff
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  Speaker 1: before she met him. And then obviously his podcast and
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  Speaker 1: his books, it confirmed her bias. So she was all in,
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  Speaker 1: 100% all in.
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  Speaker 3: 8.56 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori told her Lori had been married to
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  Speaker 1: the prophet Moroni from the Book of Mormon. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's like akin to being married to one
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus' apostles or something in Catholicism. I'm not too
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  Speaker 1: hip on what's going on in the Mormon religion. And frankly,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that there was a prophet named Moroni. 8.57 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: After the conference, Lori kept in touch with Chad on
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  Speaker 1: the phone, according to Melanie. Chad was married to Tammy
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  Speaker 1: at the time, and Lori was married to Charles. Both
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  Speaker 1: spouses were still alive. Yeah, well, we know how that
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  Speaker 1: turned out. And we know that Charles was being called
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  Speaker 1: Ned Schneider. All of a sudden, he's Ned Schneider out
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere, out of the blue. And I mean, Ned Schneider,
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  Speaker 1: we can't get like some kind of like biblical name,
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  Speaker 1: like Malachi or some shit. 8.58 a.m. Melanie says she
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  Speaker 1: learned of the term multiple probations. When she first started
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  Speaker 1: interacting with Lori. Lori and Chad introduced this teaching to Melanie.
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  Speaker 1: And Chad often spoke about it. Lori told Melanie. That
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  Speaker 1: she and Chad often spoke about multiple probations. Melanie says.
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  Speaker 1: The definition of multiple probations. Changed the longer that they
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  Speaker 1: knew each other. But the basic belief system. Was you
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  Speaker 1: could live multiple times. On earth. And it would be
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  Speaker 1: different for everyone. So reincarnation. like most other snake salesmen,
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  Speaker 1: like most other charlatans. This is nothing more than fan fiction, right?
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  Speaker 1: Stealing from somebody else's religion, molding it together, calling yourself
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  Speaker 1: a prophet, and then finding a few people that are
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  Speaker 1: going to believe your bullshit. Yeah, look, there's a sucker
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  Speaker 1: born every minute, right? 9 a.m. Two weekends after the meeting,
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  Speaker 1: Chad came to Arizona for another event. Melanie and Lori
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  Speaker 1: went to this conference. Lori held a meeting at her
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  Speaker 1: house before the conference. Melanie does not remember if Chad
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  Speaker 1: was there. 9 a.m. Melanie saw Lori and Chad interacting
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  Speaker 1: at the conference. Chad stayed at Lori's house over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Charles was out of town, according to Melanie. And remember,
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  Speaker 1: Lori had the audacity to accuse Charles of cheating. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: she got some dude over at the house making a
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  Speaker 1: cuckold out of Charles while he's out of town working,
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  Speaker 1: trying to provide for his family. That Lori Vallow, she's
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  Speaker 1: a hell of a gal. Lori told Melanie that she
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  Speaker 1: had been married four to five times as other characters,
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  Speaker 1: Chad too. Lori told Melanie that the weekend Chad came
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  Speaker 1: to Arizona, they met in the LDS temple together and
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  Speaker 1: were sealed together by Moroni and Jesus Christ. That relationship
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  Speaker 1: of multiple lives was reunited. This happened in a waiting room,
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  Speaker 1: not a sealing room in the temple. Oh, well, I
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  Speaker 1: guess if it happened in the sealing room, then that
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  Speaker 1: would have made it more official, huh? Breaking news. Jesus
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  Speaker 1: Christ and whoever the hell Maroney is didn't show up
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  Speaker 1: to seal anybody's marriage, okay? That never happened. 9.03 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Lori was open with Melanie about her feelings for Chad.
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  Speaker 1: Lori only told people in her small group about her
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  Speaker 1: and Chad. 9.04 a.m. Lori told Melanie about the 144,000
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  Speaker 1: people who will be here during the return of Jesus
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  Speaker 1: Christ to Earth. Lori then said Chad and Lori would
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  Speaker 1: be leading the group and do a lot of missionary
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  Speaker 1: work ahead of the second coming. Now, at that point,
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  Speaker 1: as Melanie here, don't you run for the hills and
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  Speaker 1: say to yourself, all right, look, this is some bad shit,
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  Speaker 1: crazy stuff. There's no way in hell I believe that
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow are going to be the
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  Speaker 1: prophets that shepherd humanity into the next phase after Jesus
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  Speaker 1: Christ comes. People are really believing that. It is just
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  Speaker 1: way bizarre to me that think that anybody would buy
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  Speaker 1: that for one single second.
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  Speaker 2: 906 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie lists the names of those who were in the
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  Speaker 1: group and close with Lori, including Alex Cox and Melanie Palowski.
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  Speaker 1: Within weeks of Melanie meeting Lori, Lori began telling her
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  Speaker 1: how Chad and Lori were supposed to lead the 144,000.
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  Speaker 1: And you notice they always keep these groups small, right?
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  Speaker 1: Their core group? Because it's so batshit crazy, they can't
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  Speaker 1: get too many people to buy into this stuff the
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  Speaker 1: way they all do. So they have their select core
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  Speaker 1: group of people who come over and all of the
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  Speaker 1: yahoos sit around and talk about this dumb shit. 9.07 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie describes a light and dark scale that Lori told
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  Speaker 1: her about after she met Chad. People who were light
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  Speaker 1: had signed contracts with the Savior. Those who were dark
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  Speaker 1: signed contracts with Satan before coming to Earth. Now, again,
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  Speaker 1: if anyone was telling you this, would you just sit
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  Speaker 1: there and be like, oh, yeah, you know what? That
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  Speaker 1: all sounds great. I'll be here next week. Should I
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  Speaker 1: bring the Popeyes? Or are you going to say to yourself,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Probably should find some group to practice my
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  Speaker 1: religion with that isn't extreme. Because it seems to me
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  Speaker 1: like Melanie, she stuck around for quite some time. 9.10 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and Charles Vallow were not present for these
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  Speaker 1: meetings and were not told about these teachings. Melanie says
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  Speaker 1: Lori would not have considered Charles part of their inner circle. See,
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  Speaker 1: inner circle again. See what I'm talking about? That's how
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  Speaker 1: all of these manipulators work. There's always layers to this shit.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori would not have considered Charles part of
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  Speaker 1: their inner circle. One day in January 2019, Lori told
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  Speaker 1: Melanie that Charles Vallow was taken over by an evil spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Chad had told Lori this, and it was the first
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  Speaker 1: time Lori had heard this. Charles was now dark. Again,
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  Speaker 1: because Chad wanted Lori. Let's just call it what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Another shyster, another bullshit artist, in a long history of
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  Speaker 1: bullshit artists who used religion to get what they want.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Chad Daybell did right here. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted Charles Vallow out of the way. And what's the
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  Speaker 1: easiest way to do that? Oh, he's a dark. He's
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  Speaker 1: Ned Schneider. 9.12 a.m. Lori said she had a dream
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  Speaker 1: where Charles was in a car accident in Texas and
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  Speaker 1: would not be coming back home by January 1st. JJ
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  Speaker 1: was with Charles at the time and would have been
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  Speaker 1: traveling back with Charles. Charles was never in an accident.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie asked Lori what happened. You shared your thought he
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  Speaker 1: was going to die. And Lori responded, he didn't because
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  Speaker 1: Satan interfered with the plan. No, Lori Vallow, if there
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  Speaker 1: is a Satan, you are working for him and you're
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  Speaker 1: the one that was hatching plans on his behalf. And
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  Speaker 1: now you're going to be the one that has to
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  Speaker 1: deal with that for the rest of your life. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Chad Daybell is certainly not a
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  Speaker 1: man of honor, certainly not some kind of white knight.
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  Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if he tries to put
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  Speaker 1: all the blame on Lori Vallow.
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  Speaker 2: 9.13 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Lori is looking at Melanie during the testimony and also
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  Speaker 1: taking notes. 9.14 a.m. Lori told Melanie about castings. This
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  Speaker 1: involved a prayer to get the evil spirit out of
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  Speaker 1: someone and encourage the spirit to come out by power
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  Speaker 1: of God. So an exorcism? Melanie participated in casting in
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  Speaker 1: January-February 2019. After Lori learned Charles was dark, Charles was
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  Speaker 1: the first person Lori ever called dark. And again, all
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  Speaker 1: of this started happening after she met Chad Daybell. He
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  Speaker 1: was the push that Lori Vallow needed to go right
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  Speaker 1: over the cliff.
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  Speaker 2: 9.15 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The first casting Melanie was involved in was with Lori
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  Speaker 1: and a group of women at Zulema's house. Alex Cox
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  Speaker 1: was not married to her at this time. This casting
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  Speaker 1: involved prayer and words convincing the spirit to leave the body.
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  Speaker 1: This would be the spirit that took over a particular
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  Speaker 1: person's body, so they were having like a group exorcism.
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  Speaker 1: 918 AM Melanie says the first time the group thought
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  Speaker 1: they had cast an evil spirit named Ned out of
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  Speaker 1: Charles' body, but Charles was still alive, so the teachings
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  Speaker 1: changed and now a spirit named Garrick or Garrett entered
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  Speaker 1: Charles' body. Lori casts this spirit out of Charles, but
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  Speaker 1: then the final spirit, he blows, enter Charles' body. I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean to laugh, but he blows? I mean, where
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  Speaker 1: do they come up with this shit? Chad Daybell sitting
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: around and reading like Dungeons and Dragons forums, trying to
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: come up with new names for his next LARPing session. 9.20 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says weeks after the original idea of a spirit
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  Speaker 1: taking over bodies, Lori started to use the term zombie. 9.21 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Laurie was present for all of the castings.
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  Speaker 1: Chad was present for one casting, according to Melanie. The
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  Speaker 1: one Chad attended was right after Charles' death. Melanie recalls
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  Speaker 1: possibly participating in a casting for Brandon B. Laurie told
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  Speaker 1: Melanie that Brandon was dark and he had an evil
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  Speaker 1: spirit in him. So it looks like this is their
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  Speaker 1: hit list, right? Oh, we're going to go do our
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  Speaker 1: spell casting. and then we'll send out beaver-faced Alex Cox
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  Speaker 1: to go and kill these people, and then we'll say
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  Speaker 1: it's God's will. 9.22 a.m. Brandon was part of Hitler's
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  Speaker 1: group and was considered a very high dark, Melanie says.
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  Speaker 1: She does not recall participating in castings for anyone else. 9.23 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Laurie told Melanie that Charles Brandon, one of Laurie's brothers,
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  Speaker 1: not Alex, Laurie's dad, Tylee Kay, and JJ were all dark.
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  Speaker 1: Random people were also dark. 9.24 a.m. Melanie says if
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell was considered dark, it was right before Tammy died.
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  Speaker 1: Lori told Melanie sometime between February and June of 2019
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  Speaker 1: that Tylee was dark. In September 2019, Lori told Melanie
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  Speaker 1: JJ was possessed. Many jurors are taking notes during Melanie's testimony.
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  Speaker 1: So if she thought they were dark and she thought
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  Speaker 1: they were possessed, You know she has it in her
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  Speaker 1: to be somebody who is very evil. And then we
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: take a look back at Detective Hermosillo's testimony from yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not looking good for Doomsday Mom. 9.27 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The night before Charles died, Lori told Melanie that Alex
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  Speaker 1: was spending the night at her house because Charles was
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  Speaker 1: going to kill her. After Charles died, Lori told Melanie
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  Speaker 1: that he had been argumentative with her. The spirit told
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  Speaker 1: Lori to pick up Charles' phone and he was upset
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  Speaker 1: she took his phone. Lori said they argued, he threatened her,
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  Speaker 1: and Tylee came out with a baseball bat to protect herself.
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  Speaker 1: Alex went to get his gun to protect him and
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  Speaker 1: then shot Charles. This is all according to what Lori
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  Speaker 1: told Melanie. I don't believe any of that, not for
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  Speaker 1: a minute. I believe that Alex was there with the
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: intent to kill Charles Vallow. Did they maybe start an argument? Perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: But the whole entire intent was to get Charles Vallow
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  Speaker 1: out of the way. 9.30 a.m. Melanie says after Charles died,
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  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad were happy. 9.32 a.m. Prior to Charles' death,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Chad and Lori communicated multiple times a day.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori had two to three cell phones. One
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: phone was just for Chad. She has burners and shit
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  Speaker 1: like she's out here on the grind. She thought she
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: was that slick, huh? Oh, let me get a couple
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  Speaker 1: of burner phones. 9.33 a.m. Lori told Melanie that she
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and Chad would meet at hotels. Lori shared they were
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: intimate while Charles and Tammy were still alive. Lori said
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  Speaker 1: this was according to God's will because they had been
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  Speaker 1: married in multiple lives and had a mission together. During
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: this testimony, Lori is frantically taking notes in the courtroom. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many other women... This Chad Daybell hustled
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: with this same ass line. Imagine using this as your
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: pickup line. Hey, look, we were married in a past life.
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  Speaker 1: So why don't you meet me at the hotel? And
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're married now. God's going to
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  Speaker 1: say that's OK because we were married in a past life.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine the content of that conversation
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  Speaker 1: as he's trying to hustle you? 936 a.m. Melanie said
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  Speaker 1: right before JJ was killed, Lori said he was difficult
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  Speaker 1: to handle. It was hard for her to take care
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  Speaker 1: of him and be with Chad. Lori indicated she was
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  Speaker 1: going to ask Kay if Kay could take care of
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  Speaker 1: JJ going forward. Well, here's an idea. How about you
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  Speaker 1: just didn't kill Charles, you got divorced, let him take JJ,
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  Speaker 1: and you go on your merry way with prophet fuckface.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Why do you have to kill everybody? 9.37 a.m. Melanie
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: says she last saw Tylee in July-August 2019 before Lori
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and Alex moved with the kids to Idaho. 9.38 a.m.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: After Lori moved to Idaho, Melanie recalls talking with her
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: on the phone and Melanie heard Tylee in the background. 9.39 a.m.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Lori asked Melanie to come visit her in Idaho in
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: September 2019. There was a seminar in Rexburg, so Melanie
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: and her boyfriend, David Warwick, went up. They stayed at
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Lori's house. Melanie did not see Tylee and Lori, told
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Melanie that Tylee was at BYU, Idaho with roommates. 9.41 a.m.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Melanie asked Lori about Tylee's belongings and Lori said they
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: had been put in storage. Lori didn't talk much about Tylee.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Melanie did see JJ and Lori told Melanie that JJ
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: had an evil spirit in him. Lori learned this the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: day before from Chad. Again with Chad. She learned it
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: from Chad. Imagine this guy talking you into killing your kids.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: What sort of piece of human excrement gets talked into that?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Lori told Melanie JJ's behavior was more difficult and he
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: would say things like, I love Satan. JJ would climb
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: up on the fridge on top of the cabinets and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: was acting aggressively. Lori tried to explain how he was
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: changing into a more negative type of demeanor. 9.43 a.m.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she did not notice any changes in JJ
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and he appeared to be a typical 7-year-old autistic kid.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Melanie has experience with autistic children and she says his
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: behavior was normal. She never observed him climbing on counters,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: but one day he was upset. And Chad took him upstairs. 9.45 a.m.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Chad took JJ upstairs. He came downstairs. And Melanie asked
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Chad why his neck was so red. Chad responded that
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: JJ had scratched his neck. Yeah, you were probably beating
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on him, you sick, disgusting animal.
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• 21:51
  Speaker 1: 9.47 a.m. Melanie says Chad and Lori were very affectionate
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that weekend. She went with them to walk around the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: track at BYU-Idaho, and they explored the campus. As they
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: were leaving, Chad gave Lori a hug and a kiss.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Chad asked David Warwick not to share about his relationship
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: with Lori with anyone. So wait a minute. You were
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: at the university here, and you didn't think to check
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: on Tylee? I thought she was at this university. Nobody
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: decides to go check.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: On her, huh?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. 9.48 a.m. Lori told Melanie that Maroney appeared to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: her in a temple on September 22nd. Melanie says that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: last time she saw JJ was on September 22nd as
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Alex was taking JJ upstairs. Melanie and David left the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: next day and she does not recall seeing JJ before
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they left on September 23rd.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: 9.50 a.m.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Melanie remembers asking Lori before Charles died why he would
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: want to kill her. Lori said it was because she
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: had a million dollar life insurance policy. Lori then said
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Charles had a life insurance policy, but if Charles died,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: all the money would go to Kay. So she says
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that he wants to kill her for the money when
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it's the other way around, just like when she accused
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: him of cheating. 9.51 a.m. Lori asked why she didn't
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: get a divorce from Charles. Lori said that wasn't the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Lord's plan, and if Chad got a divorce, he would
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: be penalized for that. Chad would lose his exaltion or
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: standing with God. Yeah, but you know, if he killed somebody,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that's cool. God's okay with that. The angel, the bony
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: maroney angel, he's going to come down and give you
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a pat on the back if you murder somebody, but
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: don't get divorced. 9.52 a.m. Melanie never saw JJ again
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: after the night of September 22nd. She never returned to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Idaho to see Lori again, but spoke with her occasionally.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Melanie next heard from Chad around Thanksgiving. He told her
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the Rexburg police would be calling and told Melanie not
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to answer the phone. Imagine somebody calls you and says that. Yeah, sure.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm going to do. Take part in
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: whatever kind of nonsense you're involved in. 9.53 a.m. Melanie
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: says Chad had a nervous voice and said the police
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: are looking for J.J., And Melanie said she thought JJ
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: was with Kay. And Chad told her he was not.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Chad told Melanie that Lori would be calling her. Melanie
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: thought JJ was with Kay because Lori had told her
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: she met with Kay at an airport and she asked
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Kay to take care of JJ. 9.55 a.m. Lori then
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: called Melanie. Lori said the police came by and she
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: told officers that JJ was with Melanie watching Frozen. Lori
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: asked Melanie to take photos of random kids at the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: movie theater and send them to the police. Police tried
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to get a hold of Melanie, but she did not
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: take their calls. I wasn't sure what in the world
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to do. Oh, you should have called the cops. That's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: what you should have done. What are you waiting for?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Those kids are obviously in harm. They're obviously in danger.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: You got to do something about that. 9.57 a.m. Lori
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: told Melanie the police were dark. Kay, Lori's dad, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: her brother, Adam Cox, were also dark. Lori said JJ's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: life was in danger and Kay was trying to kidnap him.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Melanie wasn't sure what to believe. Says she was in
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: shock and perplexed. 9.58 a.m. Melanie eventually spoke to police
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: at the end of November, beginning of December, and said
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: JJ had not been with her. 10 a.m. Blake, about
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to admit a 20-minute phone call into evidence, where she
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: confronted Chad and Lori, and this is the recording.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: 10.03 a.m.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Blake is now playing the call. Melanie recorded the conversation
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: with Chad and Lori. Chad answers, Hello, sweet Melanie. Trying
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to pour it on thick, right? 10.04 a.m. Melanie asks
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori where they are. Chad giggles and says,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: We're just hanging out. They don't want to say where
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: they are. Melanie asks Lori what happened with JJ, why
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: he isn't at Kay's house. Lori doesn't answer the question
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but says people are after her. Chad says, if you
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: knew where JJ was, that puts you in danger. Chad
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and Lori won't say where JJ is because Lori wants
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to keep him and everyone else protected. What an absolute
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and utter bunch of bullshit. 10.06 a.m. Melanie asks Lori
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: if JJ is safe. She responds he is safe and happy.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Melanie asks how it could hurt her if she knew
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: where JJ is. I'm just not telling anybody so that
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: nobody has to say where he is or get questioned
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: where he is so I can keep him safe as possible,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Melanie says. I hope he's okay. I hope you guys
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: are okay.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: 10.08 a.m.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she asked Alex Cox where JJ was. He
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: said he was somewhere he couldn't be found and Melanie
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: didn't want to know where JJ is.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: 10.09 a.m.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Lori won't tell Melanie. where they are, and Melanie says
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: she is worried for them. Lori says Kay is dark
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and is working with the police. Lori says, I know
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: exactly where JJ is. He is safe and fine. 10.10 a.m.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: On the call, Lori mentioned prophets from the scriptures and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: how they had to hide in the cavity of a rock.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Melanie reads a scripture to Lori about not fearing men
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: more than God and being faithful. Melanie says if the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: door is open to Satan, he comes in and attacks.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: God doesn't work in darkness, Melanie says. Lori responds, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: agree 100%. And that is what the Lord is doing
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with me. Okay, sure. That's exactly what's going on. You're
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the vessel, and he's working through you. Lori says she
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: is in hiding in the cavity of a rock, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that K is dark because she changed the life insurance
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: policy with Charles. Lori says, She doesn't know why Melanie
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: is being controversial with her and says she loves Melanie.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Melanie says, if you loved me, you would not have
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: told the police I had JJ with me. 10.14 a.m.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Lori tells Melanie she did what the Lord told her
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to do. Melanie says Lori has been deceived. Tammy died.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Charles died. Melanie says she has never had peace about
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: all of this and she has felt weird in her stomach.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Lori responds, you know me, Mel. This sounds like you
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: have been influenced by somebody dark and obey dark things. 10.15 a.m.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Lori says Christ is coming soon and Melanie will know
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that Lori has not been deceived. Chad now comes on
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to the call and says his sister-in-law, Heather Daybell, has
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: been deceived and coming up with theories. Chad says his
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: own children said Tammy had been getting weaker and sick.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Her heart was failing. And she was physically falling apart. Yeah, right, bro.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Were you poisoning her? Did anyone ever check for that?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Some arsenic or something?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: 10.17 a.m.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Chad says he's known for years that Tammy would die
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: young and his life will have two segments. Chad says
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you have to have faith in the master plan. Melanie
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: says you can understand my concern, can't you? Chad says
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: from an outsider's perspective, he can, but her boyfriend seems
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: to be putting doubts in her mind. Melanie says she
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: was not listening to her gut feeling and feels uncomfortable
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: with many things. 10.18am Melanie says she was reading the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: story of Korahor and his carnal and natural desires. Lori says,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you think I'm Korahor? Are you kidding me right now?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Melanie says both Chad and Lori had similarities to Korahor.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Lori says she lives by the scriptures and Melanie says
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: She feels Lori has arrested the scriptures. Lori is upset
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that Melanie would say this. Oh, that's the worst thing
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you can do, huh? To a zealot? You're not crazy enough?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: You're not rigid enough? You're not religious enough? Forget it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You want to get a zealot fired up? That's a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: quick way to do it. 10.23 a.m. Melanie says Lori's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: behavior is not one of someone who believes in Christ.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Lori says Melanie sounds pissed off. Melanie responds, I am troubled.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: These things like you being with Chad before he's even divorced.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Lori says, I have never, I was never with him
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and he was never divorced. Melanie says, honey, I've seen
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you guys together. 1025 AM. Lori says Jesus Christ is
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: protecting her and will protect her against the accusations Melanie
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: has made against her. Lori then ends the call. It's
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: everybody else's fault, right? Pretty typical. At 10.25, the judge
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: calls a morning recess back in 20 minutes. 10.46 a.m.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: John Pryor was not in the courtroom this morning for
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the first part of Melanie Gibbs' testimony, but he has
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: just walked in. And remember, John Pryor is Chad Daybell's lawyer. 10.47 a.m.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: During the break, Lori walked out the side door with
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: her leg shackles and then sat in a chair with wheels.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Deputies then wheeled her away. This was likely so deputies...
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: didn't have to remove the shackles to take her to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the restroom. She is now back in the courtroom chatting
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: with her attorneys. Well, that's what happens. If you're accused
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: of murder, you wear shackles. 10.53 a.m. Melanie Gibb is
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: back on the stand testifying against the woman who used
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to be her best friend. 10.54 a.m. Melanie said she
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: recorded the call with Chad and Lori because she wanted
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to know where JJ was and hoped she'd learn where
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori were. 10.56 a.m. Melanie said the weekend
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: she stayed at Lori's house, Melanie stayed in Tylee's room,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: but she went back and forth into David's room, who
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: was sleeping in JJ's room. David woke up very troubled
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: from a dream. Melanie went to Lori's room and texted
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: her and Chad to ask if David could get a blessing.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Nobody responded to Melanie's text, and Lori's door was locked.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: So hang on a minute here. A grown-ass man had
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a bad dream, and he had to have another grown-ass
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: man come in and give him a blessing, or that's
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: what he wanted? Here's an idea, buddy. Wake up, go
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: have yourself a whiz, splash a little water on your face,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and get back to bed. 10.57 a.m. The next morning,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Melanie never saw JJ, and Lori told Melanie where JJ
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: was from that point forward. 10.58 a.m. Melanie says she
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: believes the origins of multiple probations, Lives, etc. came from
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Chad and are not taught in the traditional LDS faith.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: 11 a.m. Melanie says when Lori was having her relationship
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: with Chad, Lori's behaviors did not represent someone who would
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: know Christ at that level. Lori had told Melanie that
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: she had seen Jesus in the temple and that he
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: appeared to her. Okay, all right. This is getting a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: bit wacky wonky for your boy.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: 11 a.m.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Blake asks about revelations and if people in the LDS
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: church get revelations. Melanie says yes. 11.01 a.m. Melanie learned
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: about Tammy's death the day after her death was reported.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: A friend sent a screenshot from Chad's Facebook account announcing
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the death. Melanie then called Lori. It was mid-morning and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Melanie told Lori about Tammy's death. She knew something was
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: going on. Two of the girls from their group had
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: called Lori and inquired about it. 11.04 a.m. Melanie asked
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Lori what happened to Tammy. Lori responded she had a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: dark entity in her and they had to do what
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: they could to get the spirit out. They referred to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad. Lori said Tammy was starting to get
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: suspicious that Chad was having an affair. Yeah, I'm pretty
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: sure that dumb dumb Chad Daybell is not Mr. Suave
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: over here and doesn't know how to, you know, carry
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: on having a goo mod. So yeah, I'm sure Tammy
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: was catching on. 11.05 a.m. Melanie says Tammy had been
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: suspicious about the affair for less than two weeks. Tammy
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: had also turned dark within two weeks before her death. 11.07 a.m.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: After Tammy passed on, Melanie said Lori was very happy
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to get married to Chad. Lori never expressed any sadness
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: or sorrow. Melanie said Lori's demeanor was similar to after
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Charles died. 11.09 a.m. Melanie says Lori told her about vibrations.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that were equal to your level of spirituality. If you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: were at 1,000, you were at the terrestrial level. The
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: more your vibrations increased, the closer your body was to
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: being translated. I have my middle finger up in the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: air right now. I think that all of these cult
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: members should translate that. 11.10 a.m. Lori said her vibration
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: level was such that she didn't need to eat and
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: her menstrual cycle could change. Lori did not claim she
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: had visions, according to Melanie. but Lori said she had
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a dream here or there. 11.11 a.m. Melanie said these
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: teachings were shared with Alex Cox, and he believed people
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori were hoping would pass away, Charles, Tylee, JJ, Tammy,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: were zombies.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: 11.12 a.m.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Melanie said she didn't 100% believe the zombie teachings and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: told Alex that. Alex responded that he completely believed it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: When Melanie asked Alex what happened to JJ, Alex said,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you don't want to know. 11.14 AM. Blake has no
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: further questions. John Thomas will conduct cross-examination for the defense. 11.15 AM.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Thomas asked Melanie when she last met with prosecutors. She says,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, a few years ago. Melanie says she
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: did not meet face-to-face with prosecutors for the trial, but
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: they met on Zoom. 11.15 a.m. Melanie says she went
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: over her testimony with prosecutors at the beginning of this
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: month or end of last month. Thomas asks if Melanie
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: was as forgetful with prosecutors when they met earlier as
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: she was today. Melanie says yes. 11.17 a.m. Thomas asks
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: about a seven-page document she created with her testimony. She
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: said she completed it in 2020. Thomas asks the court
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to strike the witness. Blake interjects and asks for a
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: sidebar conversation. White noise is played in the courtroom as
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: attorneys meet with the judges. 1121 a.m. Boyce back on
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the bench and says an objection will be taken up
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: outside the presence of the jury.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: 1121 a.m.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Thomas wants Melanie Gibbs' testimony struck from the record because
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: he says the prosecutor did not furnish statements from Gibbs
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to the defense. 11.23 a.m. Blake says she interprets the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: law differently than Thomas and says all statements have been
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: turned over. The state and the defense are allowed to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: meet with witnesses and do witness prep. She says if
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: something is new, it should be turned over, but there
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: was nothing new in their most recent meeting with Gibbs. 11.25 a.m.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Boyce says, you're asking me to tell the jury to
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: disregard everything they've heard today? Thomas says, he made this
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: objection two days ago and the court struck me down,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: so he thought it would be appropriate to do it
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: when it was his turn to speak. 11.27 a.m. Boyce says,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: after reviewing case law, the objection is unfounded and the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: motion to strike testimony is denied. 11.29 a.m. the jury
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: is being brought back into the courtroom. You know how
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I always talk about technicalities? You just saw it in
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: motion right there. This dude's like, look, this testimony is damning,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: this pins everything together, and we gotta get it out
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of here, so how can we do that? All right,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: let's try and find the technicality. 11.30 a.m. Thomas asking
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: for clarification on a few points. Melanie explains she met
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Lori at an LDS church building. During an evening class,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: they were not in the same group. Lori showed up
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: with her niece, Melanie P. 11.32 a.m. Phones must be
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: silenced or turned off in the courtroom. So far this morning,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: two phones have gone off. This violates the court order,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and the bailiff has seized both of the phones.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: 11.34 a.m.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Melanie says, She and Lori would often meet for lunch
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: or go to the temple. Thomas asked Melanie how familiar
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: she is with autism and people who are autistic. She
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: says she was quite familiar but wasn't aware if he
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: had a strict routine. She knows JJ went to a
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: private school that had a section for autistic children, 11.36 a.m.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Melanie has asked if she ever went with Lori to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: take JJ to school. She says it's possible but doesn't recall.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Thomas says JJ had a routine where they would go
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to Burger King before school with his mom and order
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: chicken fries. Melanie said Lori believed Melanie had been on
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Earth four to five times and at times, Melanie bought
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: into the idea. She says she wasn't aware, but Lori
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: was very convincing and tried to encourage her to believe it. 11.41 a.m.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Thomas asked for clarification on how many people stayed at
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Lori's house the weekend Chad stayed in Arizona for the conference.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Melanie said it was a few. Thomas asked if it
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: was a hookup for Chad and Lori. Melanie believed so. 11.42 a.m.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Thomas asked Melanie if she thought it was odd that
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ and Moroni had sealed Chad and Lori in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the temple. She says it was, but never asked Lori
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: to show her the place in the temple where Lori
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: married Chad. Would that matter? What if it was in
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the broom closet? What the hell does it matter, okay?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: These people weren't married by Jesus Christ, Moroni, or your
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: cousin Steve. 1144 AM. Melanie says Lori and Chad tried
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: to convince her she was part of the 144,000, but
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: she never felt that was her calling. Thomas says casting
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: sounds like witchcraft, and Melanie says it didn't feel like that.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: 1145 AM. Melanie says that casting was more like casting
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: spirits out, similar to what Jesus did. Melanie says it
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: felt very unusual and very innocent to her, because it
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: was just like prayer yeah okay sure it wasn't weird
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: or anything this is just normal behavior 11 47 a.m
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: thomas asked for clarification on the light and dark scale
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: melanie says she believed it was somewhat but not completely
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: 11 49 a.m melanie says the casting was done in
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: homes not in the temple it was just people standing
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: up in a circle together And then Lori would express words.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Her friends would say something similar to energy work. Thomas
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: asks about Melanie's experience with energy work. 11.51 a.m. Thomas
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: trying to get Melanie to clarify exactly what casting is
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and how similar it is to prayer. Doesn't sound similar
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to me at all. Sounds like a gigantic circle jerk.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: 11.53 a.m.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Thomas, let's talk about zombies. 11.53 a.m. Thomas, when Lori
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: talked about zombies, did you immediately think they were going
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to die? Melanie, no. It was a bizarre teaching, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Lori thought it was bizarre too, in the context of
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: how it was explained to her by Chad. But she
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: bought in, right? Did any of you go run to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the church and tell them that you had some wild-ass
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: sex popping off? Of course not. You were all part
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: 11.54 a.m.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Chad told Lori.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Then told Melanie that Tylee became a zombie when she
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was 12 to 13 years old, but they only knew
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: this when she was 16. 11.55 AM The jurors are
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: attentively paying attention during this talk of zombies, dark and light, etc.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Lori also paying attention as she watches Melanie on the stand.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I have not seen Melanie look at Lori. 11.56 AM
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Melanie says, She never prayed for JJ or Ty Lee. 11.57 a.m.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Voice calls for a lunch break. So that's where we're
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: going to end this episode. And the episode coming up
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: after this one will finish off with the afternoon testimony.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this one, though. And
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: all of the information that goes with the episode can
• 42:56
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• 42:59
  Speaker 3: You made this happen.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: All your friends seated together, ready. What's up, everyone, and
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're going
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off in part one
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: with the testimony in the Lori Vallow trial. This article
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: was published by EastIdahoNews.com, and the author of this article
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: is Nate Eaton. Headline, Daybell case resumes as Melanie Gibb
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: gives explosive testimony on the stand. And there's no doubt
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that Melanie Gibbs' testimony yesterday was pretty explosive. And that
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: it was damaging to Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. Sort
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: of in the same way that we saw Alec Murdaugh
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: get taken down by the Snapchat video that was taken
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: by Paul. Because there's no way for Chad Daybell or
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow to try and deny that it was them
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: on that phone call. The same way Alec Murdaugh couldn't
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: deny that it was his voice in that video. So
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I think that later on down the road, when the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: jury gets their hands on all of this, and they're
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: rendering a decision, I think that this is going to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: loom large in their minds. Alright, so on to the proceedings.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: 1250 p.m.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Court is back in session. Boyce is on the bench
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: and jurors will be brought in.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: 1257 p.m.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Melanie says when Chad and Lori told her JJ was possessed,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: she took it to mean he was possessed by an
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: evil spirit. 1257 p.m. Thomas asked Melanie about her relationship
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: with Tylee. Melanie says Tylee didn't like her and Melanie
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: tried to be kind to Tylee. I'm always kind to everyone.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And Tylee didn't like her from the beginning. 1 p.m.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Thomas asks if Kay was going to receive the life
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: insurance money from Charles' death. There wouldn't be any financial
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: incentive for Lori, correct? Melanie says she doesn't know. 101 p.m.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Thomas asks Melanie where she heard Chad would lose his
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: exaltation if he got a divorce from Tammy. Melanie says
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: that's what Lori told him. And you see the circular
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: nature of the bullshit that they're pitching here? It always
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: revolves back to Chad Daybell and what he has to say.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: 102 p.m. Melanie says police in Idaho called her twice
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: when they were trying to find JJ. Melanie says she
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: told Gilbert police, I had him, but I don't have
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: him anymore. She told Gilbert police that Lori came to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: pick him up. Melanie says that was not the truth.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: So she lied, said the baby was with her, and
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: then recanted on that and told the truth. So what
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that does is it impugns her credibility a bit with
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the jury. There's no doubt about it. But at the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: end of the day, it's not just her word. It's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the content of that phone call that's going to sink
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow. 1.04 p.m. Thomas asked Melanie if she and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: David Warwick ever got married. She says they are married. 1.04 p.m.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Melanie says after she recorded the call with Lori and Chad,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: she contacted Detective Pilar with Gilbert Police. and said she
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: would send him the call. 1.06 p.m. Thomas asks about
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: dark portals. Melanie says Chad explained to Lori how to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: make a portal. Lori was in her closet, and Chad
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: was on his bed or in his room somewhere. They
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: could communicate through their portal. You couldn't physically see them,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: but it was made up in the spiritual realm. Thomas says,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: did you have a portal? Melanie says, oh no, a portal, huh? Again,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: if you need any more of an example of the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: absolute stupidity of what's going on here, a portal, it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the year 2023, bro. Get yourself some FaceTime. That's a portal,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: not your closet, not your bed, and not any of
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: this other stupidity that you were engaging in. 1.08 p.m.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Thomas asked Melanie who Korahor is. She says he's an
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: antichrist in the Book of Mormon who was struck dumb
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: by a prophet. Melanie says Laurie had become an antichrist.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: An antichrist? I thought there was only one antichrist. There's several?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I guess I missed that part of the memo. 1.10 p.m.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Thomas asks who Alma and Joseph Smith are. Melanie says
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Alma is a prophet in the Book of Mormon and
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Joseph Smith translated the book. 1.10 p.m. Thomas asks Melanie
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: if she has any reason to believe Lori was not
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: in Hawaii when Tammy died. Melanie says she had no
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: reason to believe otherwise. 1.11 p.m. Melanie says the idea
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: of having a vibration level high enough to be translated
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: was a new idea to her, but vibrations are often
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: used in New Age energy work type concepts. 1.12 p.m.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Alex totally bought into the zombie concept. She
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: said to Alex, do I want to know what happened
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to JJ? He said, you don't. You don't want to know.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Melanie said Alex then told her that police had took
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: all of his guns and they are very evil people.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: He said police also visited Melanie P's house and took
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: all of her money. 1.14 p.m. Alex told Melanie that
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Chad gave him a patriarchal blessing that was very touching.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Alex was very emotional about it and felt honored to
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: have the blessing. 1.15 p.m. Alex never told Melanie where
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: the kids were, so Melanie later asked Zulema if she
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: knew where the kids were. Zulema said Alex told her
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the kids couldn't be found. John Thomas has no further
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: questions for Melanie. So basically what Thomas is doing here
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: is trying to pin it on Alex Cox and everybody
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: else but Lori Vallow. And that's his job, right? As
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: her lawyer, his job is to create reasonable doubt for
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: the jury. And if he can do that, then he's
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: done his job. But unfortunately for Lori, there are way
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: too many ties that bind her here. And it's rather
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: obvious that she was working in cahoots with Alex Cox
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell to make all of this happen. 1.16 p.m.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Blake now follows up with some questions. She asked
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: if there was anything about Tylee's behavior that was out
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: of the ordinary for a teenager. If you have teenagers
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: who are honorable. and disrespectful, she would fit in that category.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori was pretty calm with Tylee and tried
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: to be friends with her most of the time.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: 1.17 p.m.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she flew to visit Lori in Hawaii in
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: February of 2019. Lori was in daily contact with Chad
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and and she would often sit on the balcony and
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: chat with Chad for a while. Why not just go
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: use your portal? Shouldn't you go make one of your
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: little dance moves, your little dance routines, and go to
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: your portal? They would go to the beach, and Lori
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: would talk with Chad on the phone. Tammy and Charles
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: were both alive at this time. Well, we all know
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: what the plan was, and we all know that they
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: were together before their significant others died. 1.20 p.m. Lori
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: told Melanie that she had been on the Earth before.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if marriages are common in the temple for
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: those who are LDS. Melanie says hi. Do you want
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: to believe Lori? Blake asks Melanie. Melanie responds. Sometimes she's
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: very convincing.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: 1.22 p.m.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Melanie says four days after Charles died, Lori contacted her. 1.23 p.m.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Melanie was concerned Chad and Lori would try to accuse
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: her of something. That's one of the reasons she recorded
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the phone call. She says at the time she made
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the call, she no longer believed in the things Lori
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: had taught her and that she was teaching false things
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: for her own personal gain. So it took you that long, huh?
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: You didn't know the first time you sat down and
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: you heard about Maroney and the rest of the other
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: nonsense that this crazy lady was yapping about? Stop it already. 1.25 p.m.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if Melanie observed a pattern once someone was
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: deemed a zombie. Melanie says yes. If people started questioning
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Lori or thought something was suspicious, that person became dark
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: or a zombie. So that was their excuse. If they
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of somebody, they were either dark
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: or a zombie. And then that gave them the justification
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: to have their hitman, Alex Cox, do work. 1.27 p.m.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori referred to Tylee, JJ, and Charles as
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: a zombie. Lori said Tammy was possessed. 1.27 p.m. Melanie
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: says Alex was designated as the protector for Lori. 1.29 p.m.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she recalls prosecutors telling her that all they
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: asked was for her to tell the truth. Blake says,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: is that what you have done today? Melanie responds, yes.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Blake has no further questions, and Melanie Gibb is off
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the stand. So, there has been some fiery testimony so far.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: We had the moving testimony from Detective Hermosillo, and then
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: you have that buttressed up to this, and it's not
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: looking good for Lori Vallow. Her former best friend coming out,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: talking about this kind of stuff. Then you have what
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: we heard from Detective Armacillo about how those children were found,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and I'd say that things are off to a pretty
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: bad start for Lori Vallow. 1.31 p.m. The next witness
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: is Chandler Police Detective Nathan Duncan. 1.32 p.m. Duncan is
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: sworn in and takes the stand. 1.33 p.m. Lindsay Blake
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: is questioning Duncan. He has been with the Chandler Police
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Department since June of 2000. He has been working in
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the Robbery Homicide Unit for nine years. 1.34 p.m. Duncan
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: was working on July 11, 2019. He responded to a
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: reporting of a shooting on Four Peaks Place in Chandler.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox called the police around 9.30 a.m. and said
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: he shot his brother-in-law. And if you haven't watched the
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Netflix documentary, Sins of Our Mother, it goes into this
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: a little deeper and shows you some of the body
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: camera footage in the aftermath of Alex Cox killing Charles Vallow.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: So it certainly adds a little bit of context as
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: well when you can see how people are reacting directly
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of this. 1.37 p.m. Blake asked to
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: admit a computer aided dispatch notes into evidence. Looking at
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the notes, Duncan says the call came in at 8.36 a.m.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and officers were dispatched at 8.37 a.m. 1.38 p.m. Defense
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: attorney asks for a sidebar with the judge. Many jurors
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: and people in the gallery stand to stretch their legs. 1.41 p.m.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Boyce says a technical legal issue has come up. He
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: needs to go to his chambers for about five minutes,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: so we're in a brief recess.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: 1.43 p.m.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Lori is smiling and laughing with her attorneys during the break. 1.49 p.m.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Boyce is back on the bench. Prosecution admits evidence from
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Lori's iCloud account. 1.52 p.m. Back to the police response
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: to Charles' shooting. Duncan says everyone was assigned a role
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: at the homicide scene like other homicides they respond to.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: The original lead investigator was Detective Nathan Moffitt. He was
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: then promoted in June 2020 as and Detective Duncan became
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the lead investigator. 1.54 p.m. Duncan said a crime scene
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: technician took photos of the scene. Once that is done,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the crime scene detective goes through to see what is
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: evidentiary value. Photos are taken, and evidence is seized. Duncan
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: says the body is considered evidence, and the Maricopa County
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's Office was called to assist and take control
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: of the body.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: 1.55 p.m.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: The victim was identified as Charles Vallow. Duncan noticed there
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: were no furniture in the living room and mirrors on
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: the wall, which was odd. Charles was laying on his
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: back on the floor on the west of the living room.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Charles' shirt had been cut away from his body. Medical
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: equipment was on his chest that was used to confirm
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: his death, Duncan says. Charles had one visible gunshot wound
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: on the left side of his abdomen. There was not
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: much blood present, Duncan says. He never responded to another
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: shooting death with so little blood. There was not any
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: blood spatter, and that's real odd. Usually when there's a shooting,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: there's blood spatter all over the place.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: 1.58 p.m.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Alex indicated he shot Charles twice in the chest while
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: he was standing. Duncan says there was only one bullet
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: hole initially, but, next to Charles, there were two. 45
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: caliber shell casings. There was also a bullet next to
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: his left shoulder lying on the ground, which was odd.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: 2 p.m. Duncan says Alex indicated he had given CPR.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Duncan says normally when someone is given CPR after being shot,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: there is more blood because of compressions on the chest.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But Duncan says there was very little blood. Well, in
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: the phone call with 911, you hear Alex Cox say
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't know how to do CPR. cpr and
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: then the technician on the phone the 911 operator goes
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: to start walking him through the steps airline credit coalition
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: but he didn't call for like 45 minutes so giving
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: someone cpr that's not going to do much after they've
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: been shot in the chest and laying there for 45
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: minutes 203 p.m charles had abrasions to his knees duncan
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: said there was blood on a faucet inside the house
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Duncan saw Charles' body being removed from the house by
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: the medical examiner. 2.05 p.m. Duncan says in the living
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: room there was a tall baseboard and on the east
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: side of the room there was a projectile that was
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: stuck in the baseboard. The projectile and the baseboard were
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: kept as evidence. Alex was then brought back into the
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: home and did a walkthrough to explain to police what
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: had occurred. 2.06 p.m. Duncan said Charles... would have been
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: lying on the ground when the second shot was fired
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: by Alex based on the entry and exit wounds on
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: his body. Duncan says shooting was considered a homicide. If
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: a shooting is done in self-defense, police can still deem
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the death a homicide. 2.10 p.m. Duncan recalls looking at
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: data on Charles Vallow's phone, his iCloud and Gmail accounts,
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  Speaker 1: phone records, and other electronic info. Duncan also looked at
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  Speaker 1: Lori's iCloud account. 2.10 p.m. Duncan says police learned Charles'
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  Speaker 1: phone was the catalyst for an argument between Lori and Chad.
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  Speaker 1: Lori took Charles' phone with her in his rental car.
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  Speaker 1: That phone was later returned to the Chandler Police Department
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  Speaker 1: where an extraction was done. And remember, Lori was accusing
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow of cheating on her when she was cheating
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  Speaker 1: on him. And that was her reason for wanting his phone,
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  Speaker 1: she would say. 2.11 p.m. Duncan says in the weeks
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  Speaker 1: and months following Charles' death, Police learned of information that
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  Speaker 1: Charles had become a dark spirit, and there were accusations
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  Speaker 1: of infidelity. Duncan looked on Charles' phone for any detail
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  Speaker 1: about these things. 2.13 p.m. Prosecution asked to admit evidence
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  Speaker 1: of a PowerPoint presentation showing information retrieved from Charles' phone.
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  Speaker 2: 2.15 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas objects to having the evidence admitted. The PowerPoint was
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  Speaker 1: just put together this week, and Thomas isn't sure what's
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: in it. Boyce is concerned the defense hasn't had enough
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  Speaker 1: time to review it. Blake says the messages in the
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  Speaker 1: PowerPoint have been available to the defense. We are taking
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  Speaker 1: an afternoon break so Boyce can confer with attorneys. 2.41 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Still in a break. Lori's sitting by herself at the
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  Speaker 1: defense table shackled to the floor. 2.50 p.m. We are
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  Speaker 1: back in the courtroom. Blake says the prosecution will move
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  Speaker 1: on to other issues and will give the defense tonight
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  Speaker 1: to look over the PowerPoint. The presentation will be dealt
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  Speaker 1: with tomorrow morning in court. And that's the fairest way
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  Speaker 1: to go. about it. I mean, look, the defense didn't
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: have a chance to take a look at it, so
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  Speaker 1: give them a night to process the information and keep
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  Speaker 1: it moving. 2.51 p.m. Lori just turned around and smiled
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  Speaker 1: in our direction before turning back to look at the prosecutors. 2.54 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors and defense arguing whether evidence from Arizona can be
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  Speaker 1: admitted into evidence. Jurors have not been brought back into
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom. 2.57 p.m. Jurors are now back in the courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: Blake says the PowerPoint will be revisited tomorrow, and she
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  Speaker 1: proceeds to question Lieutenant Duncan. She asks about a call
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  Speaker 1: that was placed to a mortuary. The FBI asked Duncan
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  Speaker 1: to contact Valley of the Sun Mortuary in Chandler.
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  Speaker 2: 2.58 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan says a phone call was placed from Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: to the mortuary. This is the call he is referring to. 2.59 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan explains that police in multiple jurisdictions were looking for
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  Speaker 1: any information in January 2020 about JJ and Tylee, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Daybell's death, Charles Vallow's death, and the shooting at Brandon Boudreau. 3.01 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake asked to admit a call into evidence. It is
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  Speaker 1: now being played for the jury. 3.01 p.m. We just
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  Speaker 1: had a death in the family and we really don't
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  Speaker 1: want anything but a cremation. And then to send the
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  Speaker 1: cremains to a family in Louisiana. Just a simple, nothing
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  Speaker 1: other than cremation and sending for a service in Louisiana.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any way to know a ballpark price? Chad
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  Speaker 1: said on the call. Chad says his name is Chad Daybell,
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  Speaker 1: but then spells it Dayble. He has asked how he's
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  Speaker 1: related to the person who passed. Chad says, I'm his nephew.
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  Speaker 1: The operator asks what his uncle's name is, for reference.
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  Speaker 1: Chaz says, John Myron Dable. John Myron Dable, huh? Okay. 3.03 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: The operator asks if the person who died is at
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  Speaker 1: a nursing home, hospital, or residence. Chad says he passed
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  Speaker 1: away at a hospital, but doesn't know the details. Chad
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  Speaker 1: says he thinks they're sending him to a medical examiner,
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  Speaker 1: and then says, I should have more information before I called.
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  Speaker 2: 3.05 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: The funeral director now talking with Chad. He says his
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  Speaker 1: uncle doesn't have many relatives. Chad says he's his nephew
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  Speaker 1: and he lives in Iowa. What the family basically wants
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  Speaker 1: is to have him cremated in Chandler and have his
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  Speaker 1: cremains shipped to New Orleans and we will deal with
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  Speaker 1: the service later on. 3.07 p.m. The funeral director explains
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  Speaker 1: all the fees for the transfer of the cremains. Total
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  Speaker 1: price is around $ 2, 000. Chad says that helps me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to call one or two others if we
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  Speaker 1: come in that direction. Thank you so much. 3.09 PM.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan says the call to the funeral home was placed
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  Speaker 1: the evening following Charles' death. The phone number on the
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  Speaker 1: call had been confirmed to be Chad's phone. Charles was
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  Speaker 1: originally from Louisiana. 3.09 PM. Lori's iCloud account was Lori4Style.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan found a blessing for Alex Cox on the iCloud account.
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  Speaker 1: There was an audio recording and a Word document. Chad
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  Speaker 1: and Lori were on the recording. The blessing is called
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: a patriarchal blessing. Duncan says those types of blessings are
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: attached to the Mormon religion, the Church of Jesus Christ
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: of Latter-day Saints. It's a blessing given to any worthy
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: member of the Church by a stake patriarch given for
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: guidance through your life. Chad gave Alex Cox the blessing,
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  Speaker 1: but Chad was not the stake patriarch. No, more like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: the stake moron. 3.12 p.m. Blake asked to admit the
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  Speaker 1: recording of the blessing. It's 15 minutes long. We are
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  Speaker 1: now hearing the blessing. Chad says the blessing was given
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  Speaker 1: in the church of the firstborn. 3.13 p.m. Chad's voice
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: is monotone. He tells Alex he is to be a missionary,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and Chad says he is going to open the portals
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: of time. Chad says in Alex's previous creations, he was
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: a valiant warrior, fighting for truth and righteousness, always seeking
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: to do what is right.
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  Speaker 2: 3.15 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad said Jesus Christ chose Alex and was right by
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: his sister always. Alex had a humble heart and then
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: he exalted in the fourth creation. Chad says he could
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: have gone on to exaltation with Holly but accepted the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Savior's invitation one more time to come to this mortal
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  Speaker 1: realm to condescend as a god. You have already assisted
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  Speaker 1: us in ways that can never be repaid. You will
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: continue to do so as you move forward in this life. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what he meant by that. What did you
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: assist in, Alex Cox, you dirty rat bastard? 3.17 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chat to Alex in blessing. The lessons you had to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: learn in your youth have made you a strong, powerful
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: servant of the Lord. That could not have happened in
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: a traditional LDS home. You had to go to great
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: depth to achieve tremendous heights. 3.18 p.m. Chat to Alex.
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  Speaker 1: The Savior is saying unto me, well done. The soul
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: is cleansed. All is well. You will be a powerful servant.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I bless you with the knowledge that you will now
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: forward as a true warrior. Like you have to be
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: on a permanent LSD trip to believe any of this
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: stuff at all. You're a warrior. You had 96 lives.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: You're here to be a righteous troop of God. I mean,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: come on.
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  Speaker 2: 3.19 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chat to Alex. You will be known throughout the world
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: for your good heartedness and your ability to save souls
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: throughout the world through portals. You will be able to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: gather the souls who come unto Christ. I see you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: as a messenger of the Lord. Your mission will be
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: to go among the people and testify as a prophet.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Chad starts to cry and continues to give his blessing
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: through the tears. I mean, this guy's out here pitching
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: all kinds of wolf tickets. The Lord this, the Lord that. Vafangul, buddy, okay?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: The Lord's not involved. It's just you and your own
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: stupid LARPing. Chad says Alex will be able to raise
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: vibrations and will be given assignments to go further into
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: the world, always serving with a companion, and they will
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: communicate with Mother Earth herself. You will know where to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: be before natural disasters happen. You will be on location
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: to protect key leaders and to preserve them as you
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: gather little children in your arms, saving them from floodwaters.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Chad is choking back his tears and sniffling, more like
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: killing little kids in his apartment or on Chad Daybell's property.
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  Speaker 2: 3.23 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad says Alex will be an angel on Earth and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: will literally glow for those who are allowed to see him.
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  Speaker 1: At the proper time, after many years of service in
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: such ways, as the second coming approaches, you will know
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: when it's time to move to the other side. This
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: body that has served you well will lay down one
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: day and your spirit will leave this body. You will
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: be greeted wholeheartedly and welcomed by the Savior himself. You
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: will already know him, but that reunion will take place
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: on a greater plane. you will feel the vibration will
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: exceed all. Before the second coming appears, your body will
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: rest a day or two, and much like himself, you
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: will be resurrected. Chad says Alex will be right at
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the front of the amazing kingdom of angels that will
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: sweep the earth as he's crying. And like every one
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: of Chad Daybell's promises, this didn't work out well for
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: them either, did it? As Alex Cox now is rotting
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: in hell. 3.25 p.m. Chad blesses Alex with strength, power,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: and dominion over the callings he will receive. Chad says
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Alex is part of a special team of people moving
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: towards translation, and the Lord will be with him at
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: all times. Chad says Alex will be a patriarch in
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: his own home, and the veil will basically be gone.
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  Speaker 2: 3.26 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad says Alex now has nine angels assigned to him
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: to watch over him for his faithfulness. Chad blesses Alex
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: with a strong protection against Satan and his followers. Lucifer, Cain,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: anyone else who comes after him. 3.28 p.m. Chad ends
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: the blessing and you hear Lori say, Amen. Blake has
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: one follow-up question asking if there was a timestamp when
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: the recording was made. It was on November 24th, 2019. 3.29 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Court is now adjourned for the day. Alright, so as
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: you can see, batshit crazy nonsense going on with Chad Daybell,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow, and Alex Cox. And the stuff they believed in?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, batshit crazy as well. And I think the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: prosecution has done a great job the last couple of
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  Speaker 1: days of showing that. And I would expect that to
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  Speaker 1: continue today and through the rest of the trial. Now remember,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: today there will be proceedings. They're going to have testimony.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: and the court will be in session. However, on Monday,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: it will not be in session due to Lindsay Blake
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: and the death of her family. All right, folks, so
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. Obviously, whatever
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: goes down today in the courtroom, we'll have a wrap-up
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: about that tomorrow morning. All of the information that goes
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