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5-28-26 Hour 1 - Avalanche Autopsy Day/Rather be the Avs or Nugs?/Does the best team win?, Mahomes at OTAs · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardy and Kane on demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: For today is kind of like autopsy day. I suppose
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  Speaker 2: you had some time to sleep on the lost, feel it,
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  Speaker 2: think about it. One thing that kind of hit me,
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  Speaker 2: and this is in regards to if you're making a
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  Speaker 2: coaching change or not. Big discussion everywhere yesterday today. One
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  Speaker 2: thing I thought of was the Apps have a pretty
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  Speaker 2: unique situation at the top of their leadership group. And
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  Speaker 2: when you have somebody that's in charge of your organization
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  Speaker 2: that is not just a former player, but greatest player
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  Speaker 2: in franchise history, that is one of the greatest hockey
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  Speaker 2: players that's ever lived. And also somebody mos that felt
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  Speaker 2: that gap between championships, that felt what five years of
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  Speaker 2: disappointment were in between his first and second championship. Perhaps
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  Speaker 2: that guy is more sympathetic to this situation than most
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  Speaker 2: would be in his position. And what I thought was,
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  Speaker 2: most of the time, if you feel like the coach
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  Speaker 2: is part of the problem and not the solution and
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  Speaker 2: a season ends, that decisions made pretty quick, you don't
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  Speaker 2: really need to discuss too many things, right, it's kind of, well,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't the right guy in charge, let's make the move.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't happen typically a week after the season ends,
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  Speaker 2: and perhaps Joe Sakik looks at Bednar in his situation
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  Speaker 2: and he goes, I've been there. I kind of get
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  Speaker 2: it where you feel like maybe we should have had
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  Speaker 2: another one in between that stretch. But it's hard. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I just I think this situation that the
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  Speaker 2: Avs have at the top with Sackic makes this a
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  Speaker 2: little bit different than most other organizations in the league.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think of others that would go
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  Speaker 3: through it VIC, that would mimic what the Avs have
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  Speaker 3: in theirs, And I guess I can think of Steve
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  Speaker 3: Eiserman and Detroit, you know, if he had found himself
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  Speaker 3: in this situation where they want a cup and then
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  Speaker 3: four years in a row with a capable team, but
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  Speaker 3: certainly the last two years, not twenty three and twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: but twenty five and twenty six, those teams capable of winning,
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  Speaker 3: fully capable of winning. You don't do it. But it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty unique because you're right, Brett, Joe was there and
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  Speaker 3: he won at the age of twenty seven and then
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  Speaker 3: didn't win again until he was thirty two. Now only
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  Speaker 3: he and Chris McFarlane obviously can chew on this, but
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  Speaker 3: only he can really give the what did you think
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  Speaker 3: after you lost to Edmonton in ninety seven or Detroit
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  Speaker 3: ninety eight, of the two Dallas losses ninety nine two
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  Speaker 3: thousand when you were loaded for bear? You know, what,
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  Speaker 3: what is it that that went wrong? How much was
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  Speaker 3: the coach? And you know, do you see similarities in
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  Speaker 3: dynamics that are working kind of the same? And I
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  Speaker 3: I it's it's a very unique situation for Joe, it
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  Speaker 3: really is. And I think we're fortunate that he has
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  Speaker 3: been through that in the past and he understands the
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  Speaker 3: situation perhaps better than anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's the It's the toughest job he has,
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  Speaker 4: right The easy job is watching your team succeed.
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  Speaker 2: The toughest job is making these kind of decisions. But
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  Speaker 2: fellas a lever.
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  Speaker 4: Needs to be pulled here, and I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: that lever is. The fans are saying do something, the
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  Speaker 4: media is saying do something. Maybe ownership is saying do something.
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  Speaker 4: What is something What do you do is something remaining idle.
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  Speaker 4: Running it back.
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  Speaker 2: Is something. Making massive changes, sweeping changes is something changing coaches.
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  Speaker 2: What is something in your eyes is something nothing?
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: What's funny is I've mentioned this before, but it's the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes the hardest thing that you can do as an
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  Speaker 2: organization is to do nothing, is to stare in the
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  Speaker 2: face of all these people wanting blood and say, I
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  Speaker 2: think we're in good shape. It just didn't work. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's the case here, but I
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  Speaker 2: do believe that the hardest thing you can do, especially
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  Speaker 2: in the app situation right now, is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: just saying I honestly believe that this is good enough
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  Speaker 2: when we just for whatever reason, had a couple of
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  Speaker 2: things not go our way and it led to this result.
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  Speaker 2: But it's similar, I think, to what the Nuggets are facing.
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  Speaker 2: Similar in this sense. Any change that you want to make,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to make a substantial change, it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be hard to do because I'm thinking about the guys
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  Speaker 2: that you would consider moving off of to acquire somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking just strictly players now. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: the value of those guys is equal to what you
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  Speaker 2: would hope to get in return, Like I, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what you get for if you were to dangle
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  Speaker 2: brock Nelson out there, I don't know what you get. Mos.
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  Speaker 2: If you just acquired nos Cadre, you trade it away
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff to make it happen. But Nas
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  Speaker 2: is what now he's thirty four yea, yep, it's an
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  Speaker 2: older player. I don't know what you get.
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  Speaker 4: The other problem is what happens to their value after
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  Speaker 4: the way it ended? Right, we were asking the same
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  Speaker 4: questions after the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 3: They still have value? They believe me when I tell
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  Speaker 3: you their value.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course they have value.
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  Speaker 4: But at this very moment, I think you have to
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  Speaker 4: sit in it for a while, right, you have to
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  Speaker 4: sort of relax. I mean, we were asking the same
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  Speaker 4: questions after the Nuggets collapse. Now what who pays the price?
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  Speaker 4: Who's to blame? And they told you they're going to
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  Speaker 4: run it back? How much of it are they going
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  Speaker 4: to run back? But I believe the Nugget situation is
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  Speaker 4: a little different than the Avs because of the financial
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  Speaker 4: ramifications in not being able to do certain things. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think the AVS are stuck in the same pretzel
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  Speaker 4: that the Nuggets were in.
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  Speaker 2: No are in no, none at all. No, the fs
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  Speaker 2: still are in a financial situation if they want to
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  Speaker 2: make moves, though, like they're not like the Nuggets. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's just the rules of the NBA are weird and
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  Speaker 2: punitive in some ways that the NHL isn't. The NHL
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  Speaker 2: has one rule, stay under the cap. That's it. Listen
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  Speaker 2: up again.
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  Speaker 4: We've addressed this and I will continue to address it.
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  Speaker 4: I perfectly understand why the mob is out there to
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  Speaker 4: make a coaching change and why you have to see
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  Speaker 4: that because they want to see change.
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  Speaker 2: I can't get on board on that. I won't get
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  Speaker 2: on board with that. I just won't.
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  Speaker 4: But I understand it. I'm looking at all of you
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  Speaker 4: who want that. I understand, but I will never ever
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  Speaker 4: support it.
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  Speaker 2: Ever. That's just the way I feel it, and I
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  Speaker 2: know you guys feel the same.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I just again, there has to be a specific reason
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  Speaker 2: that you need to give me as to if somebody
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  Speaker 2: else was on the bench as opposed to Bednar, then
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  Speaker 2: the result would have been different. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that's the case. How do you know that though?
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  Speaker 2: If that's why I'm asking like that's why I bring
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  Speaker 2: it up, Like you how about this in football, Like
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  Speaker 2: there were moments over the last couple of years where
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  Speaker 2: we criticize Peyton despite you know, going to the playoffs
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  Speaker 2: in consecutive years, for what, refusal to run the football,
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  Speaker 2: too much, bubble screen in the offense, not doing this
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  Speaker 2: and that. But he was responsible for the play calls
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  Speaker 2: that were on the field at that time. Those are
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  Speaker 2: sort of easier things to point to. But if you
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  Speaker 2: don't think that Bennar is putting them in the right
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  Speaker 2: position and somebody else, if I were to counter with, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the players executed. How about brock Nelson finishes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, puts one in the back of the net
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  Speaker 2: when it's him all alone in front of Carter Hart.
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  Speaker 2: How about you do that? How About somebody finds a
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  Speaker 2: way to beat Carter Hard a couple of times? How
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  Speaker 2: about you make a move, how about somebody screens him? Whatever?
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  Speaker 2: Is it execution or is it all game plan? And
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  Speaker 2: that's what makes this really difficult because if you think
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  Speaker 2: that Bennar is going to be the switch that sort
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  Speaker 2: of changes everything and pushes you to a championship contender,
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  Speaker 2: then you do think you have the personnel to be here.
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  Speaker 2: But I would tell you that for ninety one games
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  Speaker 2: they were the best team in hockey, and then they
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  Speaker 2: had a rough four game stretch.
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  Speaker 3: The league is different, right rough. You say rough, to me,
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  Speaker 3: rough would have been man, you lost six to one,
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  Speaker 3: four nothing, three to two in overtime, and then five nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that that to me, that's God, that's rough.
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  Speaker 3: Like what happened. It didn't go down like that. It
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  Speaker 3: would done like it's they're all one goal games, throwing
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  Speaker 3: an empty net or.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps well, yeah, here's what Tave said after the game, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: or a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's swayed this. I think at this
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  Speaker 5: time of the year, it's it's one bounce. Those games
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  Speaker 5: are all one goal of game to at critical times,
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  Speaker 5: and for all four of those to go against us, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's it's hard to swallow. But it's not like we
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  Speaker 5: weren't generating. It's not like we were sitting back on
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  Speaker 5: our heels the whole time. We were pushing forward, creating, generating,
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  Speaker 5: getting really.
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  Speaker 2: Good looks, and we just couldn't get it.
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  Speaker 5: Impassory.
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  Speaker 2: That was my question, by the way, Good John mush
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Did you did you ask it in
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  Speaker 2: this way? Yvon? It's really tough day. Did you do
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you had a shot in all these games?
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  Speaker 2: Did you?
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  Speaker 3: Well? If you go if you had, if you have
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  Speaker 3: my question, you'd go like this. I'm not sure we
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  Speaker 3: have the question itself, Nelly, Yeah, my uh. One of
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  Speaker 3: my radio partners, Bred is a total dill hoole and
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  Speaker 3: doesn't know a puck. But is it true that sometimes
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  Speaker 3: the puck will bounce?
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  Speaker 2: That's that's I just wondered if it was in the
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  Speaker 2: sultry voice like you use after losing games. That's all
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  Speaker 2: I meant.
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  Speaker 3: But it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Taser, how are you come on?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody talk at all?
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute? What's how about the voice of the
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  Speaker 2: guy who's does the uh what's the gambling site? That
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  Speaker 2: guy voice the Chris Hodge? No no, no, no, no no,
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  Speaker 2: not him, the nerd, the nerd guy? Is it bet
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  Speaker 2: mgm oh no no, no, that guy?
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  Speaker 3: Gal's a loser? You're talking about the guy?
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  Speaker 2: Did quite see if your goal ahead? Get on BEGM
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  Speaker 2: that guy.
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  Speaker 3: I guess if I heard it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, man, you I'm gonna do this radio show the
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  Speaker 2: entire radio. Don't like that guy?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody texts in this was from the three, two,
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  Speaker 3: five six. Avs had different coaches in ninety six and
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  Speaker 3: O one and I typed back they did sarcastically, of
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  Speaker 3: course I know they did. Listen. Would Mark Crawford have
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  Speaker 3: been able? Or would Mark Crawford have guided the Abs
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  Speaker 3: victor a cup in one?
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  Speaker 2: Huh? Would he have?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Could he have? Would he have? Sure?
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  Speaker 4: I mean if given the opportunity, I'm sure he guided
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  Speaker 4: them the one before that?
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  Speaker 3: How much was Bob Hartley's fault that they didn't win
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  Speaker 3: in ninety nine or was that on Bob Hartley? Was
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  Speaker 3: it on Bob Hartley?
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  Speaker 2: By the Dallas Stars were just better closers?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm I'm just saying. The only person that can
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  Speaker 3: really truly answer that, and I'm not even sure that
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  Speaker 3: he knows the answer or the persons are the guys
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  Speaker 3: who were there from ninety six to one. Sakic Forstburg
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  Speaker 3: wah Foot Hegi wasn't even there in ninety six. He
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  Speaker 3: came obviously later. Tang Gay was later, Debtor was gone
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  Speaker 3: traded for Blake. I mean, so you had your hand
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  Speaker 3: Ozo gone there in ninety six? Was there in two
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  Speaker 3: thousand gone. You have your handful of guys and only
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  Speaker 3: they can know the answer, and maybe they would be
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  Speaker 3: right or maybe they would be wrong. Because I bet
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  Speaker 3: if you, let's say, ask Joe psachic Hey, would Crow
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  Speaker 3: have guided you guys also to maybe a cup in
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  Speaker 3: ninety nine, two thousand or two thousand and one? Could
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  Speaker 3: he have won maybe two out of three? And Joe
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  Speaker 3: may say, you know what, I think Pierre maybe jumped
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  Speaker 3: the gun a little bit. Crop could have done that,
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  Speaker 3: or he may, And then Forstburgh may say, nah, Crow
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  Speaker 3: was done. You know we needed a different voice inside that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, you know what, I'll tell
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  Speaker 3: you what. I will ask that exact question, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to both Sacke and Forstburg one day. But what I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying is that those decisions bro At least you have
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  Speaker 3: somebody who's been in that position to be able to
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  Speaker 3: have as big of an educated guess on it as
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  Speaker 3: you possibly can. Because a lot of teams guests on
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  Speaker 3: new coaches, and a lot of teams are frigging wrong
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  Speaker 3: all the freaking time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the weird dynamic of sports when you have
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  Speaker 4: teams that are championship contenders and they've been in it,
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  Speaker 4: and you're watching them with the hope and aspiration that
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  Speaker 4: they do get there and when they lose. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know about you, guys. I'm done with the Spike. I
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  Speaker 4: have no interest in watch. I'm okay, c Spurs series.
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  Speaker 4: I'm watching in a little bit pieces. I just the
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  Speaker 4: Canes Canadians last night.
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  Speaker 2: Tried to watch last night.
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  Speaker 4: I decided it's just funny. It's just like, I have
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  Speaker 4: zero interest. And I know that we get paid to
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  Speaker 4: do this and this is what we but I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. Why it is like
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  Speaker 4: when I'm watching, for example, I'm watching the Spurs and okay,
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  Speaker 4: see and and I'm looking at the quality of playing,
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  Speaker 4: the way everybody's falling, falling, everybody's falling, everybody's Anthony Davis,
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  Speaker 4: everybody falls falls, falls, I'm like, I sit back and
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  Speaker 4: I go, wait, is this was this what it's like
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  Speaker 4: when like we're in it? Is this what everybody's saying
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  Speaker 4: about us when we're into these games? Because I can't
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  Speaker 4: get into it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, wait, what do you mean that's what they're saying
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  Speaker 2: about us?
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean like when you're in it? When
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  Speaker 4: your team is playing, you are so locked in. Sure
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  Speaker 4: you avoid all the criticism. Oh yeah, But when your
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  Speaker 4: team's not in it and you're just watching the sport
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  Speaker 4: for the pure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this? Well, a lot harder to
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  Speaker 2: do when you feel like your team could be there, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a lot harder. Now, a lot more to discuss with both.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make a comparison to the Aves and
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  Speaker 2: Nuggets here in just a second, So stick around for
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  Speaker 2: that broadcasting for the back Shanker studios. Their passion is
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  Speaker 2: justice back after this, all right, So I want to
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  Speaker 2: make a comparison here, and this one's going to be easy,
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  Speaker 2: but it's who would you rather be? Would you rather
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  Speaker 2: be the Aves and the Nuggets? Right now? And it's
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  Speaker 2: the Avs. I mean no question, the Aves advanced to
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  Speaker 2: the Western Conference Final now had a super disappointing finish
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  Speaker 2: to this, But beyond that, I think we can all
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  Speaker 2: agree the Dallas Stars, the Vegas Golden Knights, the Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: while they're all really good teams that reside in your
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  Speaker 2: conference and you're going to be difficult, difficult teams to overcome.
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  Speaker 2: But when you combine the fact that the Nuggets lost
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  Speaker 2: in five games, in the first round. And forget the
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  Speaker 2: fact that teams like I don't know Minnesota or the
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  Speaker 2: Lakers when they're fully healthy with Luca in your conference,
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  Speaker 2: you have the Spurs and the Thunder, much different story.
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  Speaker 2: And when you get to a point in your quest
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  Speaker 2: for championships where it kind of both of these teams
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  Speaker 2: are at I think way more the Avs in this
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  Speaker 2: category than the Nuggets maybe, but where it's championship or bust,
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  Speaker 2: and it feels like, no matter what happens, if you
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  Speaker 2: aren't hoisting a trophy at the end of it, it
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  Speaker 2: feels like a disappointment. It's going to lead to you
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  Speaker 2: being upset more often than not because it's hard. It's
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  Speaker 2: really hard, but it's also a place you want to be.
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  Speaker 4: I think what you're saying described perfectly the nature of
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  Speaker 4: the NHL versus the NBA. The NHL, especially when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to the Stanley Cup playoffs and the postseason, it's
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  Speaker 4: just much more of a crapshoot.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 4: How many times have we seen it now? It's in
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  Speaker 4: the numbers. The President's Trophy winner, for some reason doesn't win.
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  Speaker 2: The Stanley Cup.
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  Speaker 4: In the NBA more often than not, the most dominant
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  Speaker 4: team during the regular season ends up winning the NBA title.
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  Speaker 4: It happens, they carry it over in the NHL. Hot
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  Speaker 4: teams show up out of nowhere and just things go
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  Speaker 4: off the rails. Yeah, that's what I don't trust about
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  Speaker 4: the NHL's You talked about trust yesterday, it was your keyword,
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  Speaker 4: and I can't, like, my brain can't quantify that, Like,
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  Speaker 4: where does that come from?
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  Speaker 2: Where a team that had to work hard.
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  Speaker 4: Just to qualify for the playoffs makes this amazing run,
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  Speaker 4: knocks off the President's Trophy winner in four straight and now.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like a world beater.
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  Speaker 4: That happens in the NHL all the time, It does
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  Speaker 4: most you've seen it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, why? Which is why? Again?
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  Speaker 2: I vic.
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  Speaker 3: Because a lot of different guys have more of an
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  Speaker 3: effect on the game. Number one. But first of all,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: you have a lot of guys on a team. Then
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: you have a seven game series. You have more opportunity
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: for things to go wrong with more people over a
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: longer period of time. In the NBA, maybe you have
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're OKC, maybe you have nine guys
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: that affect the outcome of a game. Nine.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you have eight. Yep.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: In hockey, every single night. You're you've got at least
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: eighteen skating. Then you've got a guy between.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: The pipes, right, and sometimes the one guy between the
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: pipes is all the difference that you need.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: That that's what makes it so unique too. They're like, wow, man,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: we gave up fifty three shots, but Jimmy stopped fifty
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: one of them and we won, right, that kind of thing. Hm,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: it's it's and then teams they'll go to the room
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: and like, we just put fifty one shots on that guy.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: We had high quality chances, we had dudes all in
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: front of the net. He just had one of the
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: games where you look to the heavens and say, oh
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: my god. But that's the difference between being up to
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: one and down two one.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so those.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Things are affected, and then you you extrapolate them out
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: over a seven game series or a potential seven game series,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: and things get affected by just that much, which is
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: why I prefaced it before the postseason even began. Man,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: playoff hockey is brutal, and times it feels unfair.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: It's untrustworthy.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: It may I keep going back to that word, but
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: it like, I don't know what to do with that information.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: You have all the data like Brett Sports, A lot
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: of sports is data, right.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the data tells a right, there's the team
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, Oklahoma City eventually will get through San Antonio
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: their best team and.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: It just happens that way, right, It just But in
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: hockey none of that matters.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't matter.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: And in football each is just one game, so you
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: understand it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: In football, yeah, I mean, but it's one game.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and huge mistakes are magnified because you don't the
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: chance to come back. It's not like you're playing, you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: three more games against between Seattle and and UH in
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: New England. That's not the way it works.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Even in football. If you have a big time like
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: discrepancy and matchup between talent and two teams, even in
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: one game samples, you mostly get the result you're expecting.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And that's why you saw Tom Brady and Peyton Manning
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: for two straight decades, UH mixed in with brothels Bergers
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and guys like that competing for Super Bowls.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Jerry Benno was not lying when he came out before
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: the Minnesota series and he laid out what you need
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: to have to win. That has to go right for you.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Now imagine Mark Dagno in his face. Yeah. Can you
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: imagine him saying that same thing about the OKC thunder No, No,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: because basketball is totally different. You know, he would say,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: here's what HED say. I think we should win because
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: we have the best players. Gotta be tough.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Just as an exercise, Can I throw something out to
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you because they got to call on the appetizer.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: As an exercise, I mean, are we exercising now, Mosure?
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can you stand up and do some jumping jacks?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: As I asked you this question, It's impossible to answer.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It's well, he does have one of those burritos in here.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Smells good. It's impossible to answer. But just I'm curious
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: what your thoughts are. So somebody called in the appetizer
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and said, do you think this looks different if they
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: were able to keep Miko? What do you mean looks different?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Do you do you like? Here's one thing I will say, uh,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a change within this team in which I thought Miko
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: would have made them better in one specific area. Miko's
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: pretty good on the power play. Yeah, if it's if
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: it's setting guys up for goals or having a left
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: handed shot over there. If somebody had trust, like he
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: would help out your power. But but what I told
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: him was what makes it so hard is people act
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: like sometimes it was a straight up Miko for nature's trade,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and that's not what happened. You got Drewelry with it,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and it allowed you more cap space to get a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: guy like if you're talking about Rod Nelson or right,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. But it's it's not only that
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: you got swept.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you weren't a goal away, a game away, a
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: player away.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: You got swept.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, are you a player away if you get swept?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Or is there a continion? Is there something?
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: What?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: What is it? Well, I guess what I'd say is this,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: you're right, and this is this is why it's so hard.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I'm always putting these positions because it feels like I'm
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: arguing against the rings people. And I know this isn't
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: what you're doing, Vic, but it's do I think that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: if you get a Logan O'Connor goal that rings off
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the post in the game one of that series, or
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: you get brock Nelson finishing one or two of those
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: wide open net front sort of shots that this series
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: looks entirely different. Yeah, I do feel that way.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: It's at the very worst two to two and we're
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: playing game five at home town.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Well maybe, but but it is.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I think it is.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: But somebody could argue right back, Mas, well you had
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: a three oh lead and you blew that it's correct.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Well I guess that's true too.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: It's hard for me to really like parse through that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: But again, you had, yeah, you had the three oh lead.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Then it was three to two, but then then you
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: power play didn't score, and then again Nelson hits the crossbar.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, I know.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: So if that's four two, I mean the course of
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say momentum, but the course of brain,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the course of of buoying a team like, oh man,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: we just gave up, you know, two, and now it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: a three to two game. But nelly bam, it's four two. Ay, everybody,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: che we got you know it? Just it it ebbs
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and flows so much during a postseason game in hockey
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: and then a series. It's it's quite remarkable, it really is. Yeah,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: And I don't know, I don't know how else to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: say it. Vic I don't have any sort of phrasing
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I can use to make people understand it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: It's hard when you have the memory of a certain
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: playoff series that come to your mind. Like go back
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: to when the Avs lost in Dallas in that seventh
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: game in the Western Conference Finals, what was it two thousand?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the puck rolling just right to the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: left of the pipe that could have tied it? Do
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you remember that?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I also remember Adam Deadmore hit a post. Yeah, in
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the closing seconds.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: It's funny from this one and Breddy was like this, yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: It's funny because he got swept. So one game does
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: not a series make I get it. But the one
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: image I will have of this series, I went back
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: and watched it like four times yesterday because they replayed
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: the game on altitude and I just.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Had to see it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: That open shot was it in a second or third
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: period by brock Nelson when he was one on one?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: That was the second period?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Was the second and it was.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Just him and heart and I'm like, there's a goal,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: there's a goal, and it's just one inch, one inch higher,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: one inch wider inch the goal.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we don't get accused of copium here, I'll
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: do it the opposite way. Well, I don't care. I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: don't care if hang on all right in the Minnesota series,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: if Nathan McKinnon doesn't with an extra attacker on the
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: ice hit a perfect shot above the shoulder of Valstet,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: is that series entirely different. Absolutely. It doesn't feel like
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: you dominated Minnesota in five games anymore. It feels like
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you're in a battle because you would have went on
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to lose that game and now you're in the middle
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: of a dogfight.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Little stuff like that is a huge difference. And so
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I understand the point think of you got swept, you
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: want a player away, but it does Hockey is just
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: weird in a sense of like, if McKinnon doesn't do that,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Minnesota series does not feel like you rolled through them anymore.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: It feels like you're in a dogfight, and in this
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: series you get one of those. I think it can
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: change the entire complexion of how it looks. It's why
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I said, if this series was played ninety nine more times,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I think this is the only time in a seven
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: game series out of one hundred that the Abs will
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: get swept. I really do. And so what do I
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: do with that information.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Why twenty twenty two Game six, Saint Louis Hilmer shoots
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: it whide they go to overtime.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean you still lead the series, you
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: still come home for seven.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Well then then you're tied at three. Yeah, you're tied
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: three to three, eight leading Jack.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Then then you're setting yourself up for potential.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Like use disappointment at home.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: But but I'm saying that it's those plays, like those
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: one single plays decide series.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's go to dude most most. I can't
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: trust hockey.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: No, you probably that's.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: The conclusion I've come to.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I took the comments made by Brett yesterday and I
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: thought a lot about him.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: It's an untrustworthy game. You guys are untrustworthy. I can't
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: trust you the whole sport. I think I told you yesterday.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I can't trust myself anymore.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't trust my thoughts. I can't trust the game.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I can't trust the puck. I can't trust anything about
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: the game because there's too much puck luck. There's too
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: much hot goalie, there's too much.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: There's too much, too much of all of that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: The AVS lose.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Let me go back by mom was on here, I'm
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: not the barbishe Let me go back to game one.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Who know that's my Spanish. By the way, I'm pretty
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: good at it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: It's very impressive, you know one in Spanish? Are you
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: trying to find a goal early in.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: The Coughlin's goal. Okay, let's go to Cofflin's.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Goal where he's doing the conference goal where he's trying
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: to probably go top shelfy misses and he goes right, yeah, correct.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Door fee, and then Marner makes a terrific play in
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the door fee of goal. Okay, Marner chased that pluck
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: down and just swung around. How about the Howden goal,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: though it's blockered away, he bats it toward the net
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: and then as it's crossing the goal line he gets
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: a stick on it, just gets a touch. Yeah, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, he made the play. So I give
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Howden all the credit in the world. But the odds
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: of that happening in real time again are incredibly small.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: But that happened, right, and so now you're trailing three nothing,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: you come back, you put two in and then they
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: get an empty netter. I go to game two, bit uh.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't sit and go over every frigging game,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: although in my head I probably have done it a
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: thousand times already. So Ross Colton, I can go through
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: that one where he scores, he scores late in the
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: first period, and you have ample opportunity to try and
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you know, make it a two goal lead, so that
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: the Icle goal with at nine to fifteen or halfway
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: through period number three, you still got yourself a lead.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: But the dynamic changes the whole. If you get a
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: two to one lead, it's it's the it's the confidence level,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: it's the brains, it's the mentals, it's the everything. It
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: changes the outcome. I don't know how else to tell
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: you that it's not a guarantee, but I'll tell you
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: this is how typical series work. You couldn't get that
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: second one, even though you had opportunities that puckes worldwide
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I know that the players, a lot of them, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: some of them might be listening to this right now.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: The Avalanche players might be getting together as a team,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: you know, just to go over it, man, Just to chill,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: get out of the heat a little bit, do whatever
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: you want to do.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Go play golf, vacation together whatever.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I would love to know what they're thinking, what their
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: thoughts are, what they're talking about when they discuss what happened,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: because I know they're not sitting there going well, Vegas
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: is a better team.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: We just I know that's not happening.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Then you know what, Victor, I would love to know
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: what the discussion points are.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: The average fan with in the world was that, Yeah,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: we just had Chris text in, can't trust the abs.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I we never will again.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine, we look like hot ass. He's all
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: all this stuff he's saying. So if gabelandisgog, you put
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: truth servem in him and he goes, I still think
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: we're the better team. A guy like Chris would say, well,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Gabeland iss Goog is a freaking idiot, because clearly you're
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: not a better team. So you're gonna tell the captain
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: of the Colorado Avalanche who was in the fight, who's
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: been there, done that, that he's at and he doesn't know. No, No, Chris,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: what have you would argue to you? He doesn't know
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: what he's talking about. He's a total diphole. And I'm
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: telling you, Chris that's not the way it is. Bro.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: When I talk to those guys after, there were zero answers,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: zero real answers. And you might have a reason here
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: or there for the way this play didn't didn't you know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: connect or whatever that cost you. But in the grand
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: scheme of things, you sit there and you go, I
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: don't know how we got here, and it's such a
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: game of Again. I talked about the margins McKinnon. It's
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: off the end of kill stick. How does Braden McNabb
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: a friggin dump truck make a seventy foot lob pass
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: like right, I mean right on the money. John Elway
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: couldn't have floated one to Rod Smith any better eighty yards.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Vic looks Nicol long distance full core passes into the
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: waiting arms.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Trying to tell you no offense to McNab. But he's
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: not that guy. Pal well, Pal pal, he's not that guy.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: You can listen, but he was on that play.
• 32:02
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• 32:04
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• 32:08
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• 32:10
  Speaker 3: That guy, Vic I'm not excuse making. I was talking
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: to somebody yesterday.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Vic.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Welcome back everybody to uh Mose Lombardi Ukane. I'm the
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: most part. That's the Vic part. That's the uh Brett
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: part over there.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks radio description.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Thanks. I know that the Carolina Hurricanes one last night
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: to take a three to one lead. They're going home
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: for Game five to try to close out the Montreal Canadians.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Son insane stat on that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: By the way, do you think that the Montreal Canadians
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: this postseason have been playing with some sort of magic fuzz?
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Is there some sort of Yeah?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: They have two shots on goal of game and they
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: win one to nothing every night. It's so weird.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Well, I think John Cooper just sucks because his team.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Would you say that the Tampa Bay Lightning are a
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: better team than the Montreal Canadians seem that way. Well,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I listen. I know his team out shot Montreal twenty
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: nine to nine in that game seven on the whole ice.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I know they out shot him twenty nine to nine,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: outscoring chance to like fifteen to two. But Cooper sucks.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you win the game and not the score.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: No, No, the Montreal Canadians are a better team. Can
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I give you a stat No, Brett, but be honest,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: it's the truth. I mean, they're a better team because
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: they only needed nine shots to win two to one.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: How many shots? I didn't need twenty nine, So let
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: me extrapolate.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Then we made fun of John Cooper when he said
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: that is Vegas the better team?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I look, they are right now? They are right now?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right now they are.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But it's just it's a silly thing to say when
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you lose, I know, but it's mind numbing and it
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: breaks your brain because if you would ask me that
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: question a month ago, I'd say, are you crazy? Vegas barely?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? Better team?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: This?
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: This is a wagon here. But they are right now,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the paid the undefeated Patriots are better than the nine
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and seven Giants and they lost to win the Super Bowl.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I mean that stuff happens now. Can I have you
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: guys take a guess the Montreal Canadians. How many shots
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: on goal do they have in the third period of
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: games three and four combined?
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Very few? I know, I know, it's very few. Four Yeah,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: there you go.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, four shots in the third period of games three
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and four combined in four games they've been out shot
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: one thirty six to sixty five. They're averaging sixteen shots
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: a game.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: How did they get by Tampa? How did they get
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: by Buffalo? I don't know how did they get buy Buffalo?
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I demand an answer because because they want they want
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: two game seven's on the road. No, I wanted. I
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: want a legit answer from you.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I don't have a legit answer like they've just they've
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: they've made the play when it's mattered the most, but
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: it's been like the only play they'll make.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, So, because it happens all the time in hockey,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: and it happens so few times in basketball, because seven
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: game series change the course of you know who the
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: better team is? It just it just does because you
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: have to prove it of for seven games. Football happens
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: all the time. The last memory of this is the
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: year the Nuggets won.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: The NBA title. How does Miami the eight seed?
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: How does Miami beat team after team they're not supposed
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: to be?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bucks, the Celtics, a whole bunch of.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Them had some magic fuzz in the air. Dude, I
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: don't know how else to say it. They had some magic.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: And that's.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: That's what decides things.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Sometimes that's memorable because in the NBA just doesn't happen.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: It doesn't happen, correct, and hockey vict it happens all
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Is that is that good? Or is that bewildering? What
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: is that? How do you define that? What you just said?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I I think it makes the sport I think more
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: entertaining because you just never know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I like, realistically, the better team is the
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: better team is going to win more often than not.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: But the odds because the way.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: The game, you're wrong. You're wrong.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Because if the better team if the President's Trophy, the
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: President's Trophy measures the better team all season.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: The best regular season.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, how many have they won?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Well, they haven't won. Okay, it's been thirteen years since
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: the best team in the league and the regular season
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: won the champions.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that's always the case either.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: The best regular season team isn't the best team. So
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: how do you crown the best team in the regular season?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's tough though, Like VIC was
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Detroit the best team in the Eastern Conference or they
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: just the team with the best record at the end
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of the.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: How do we know until the playoffs came around, I
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: didn't know, That's what I'm I'm saying.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I think what you used to quantify that, it's a
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: combo of things. You know, in football, this happens a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: lot where you know, the team with the best record,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, the best records in the AFC were well,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I mean the Broncos and the Patriots.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's one game in the playoffs, true, and
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: sometimes in that one game your quarterback breaks is breaks
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: his ankle on a weird play the game before. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: then sometimes you know, instead of taking the field goal,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: you go for it. And then sometimes a winter squall
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: comes through at the worst possible time. And then sometimes
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: you know, come on, how it was so.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Funny due how in the span of a week. How
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: does all that crap happen like that?
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Dude? I still remember we were in February and the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: one thing I think Chris Bianki said this, he said,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the worst snowstorm that we had all winner was the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: second half of the Broncos as.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Not just the sayond half, but the part of the
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: game in which the Broncos had the ball, but not
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was so pristine and nice, and then
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: by halfway through the friggin third quarter, Dude, it's a
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: wide out and guys can't stand on their feet.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I I'll never ever, so I'll never understand why mother
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: nature could do that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Just with a couple of minutes here, because we've talked
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: about we've talked about the abs and we'll continue to.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: But just some things that we might have missed NFL wise,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: with Ota starting up. Uh, you guys saw that Patrick
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Mahomes is already doing practice stuff at Ota st. Yeah,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's an he's gonna play.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: They know that he's way ahead of schedule. It was
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: confirmed the second they put the Monday night football game
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the Broncos and the Chiefs and Arrowhead. I mean that's
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: what it was confirmed. They probably got some goat a
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: c l in there, some animal acl that you know.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I think we talk about animals a lot on this
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: program for god knows what reason that I thought the
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: hippo conversation there that he was stellar. But I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the only part of it, the only animal that you
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: can use to put into a human being is like
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: a pig. Valves a big heart.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Mind, buddy mine, he is a beat writer for the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Lions when I was out in Michigan. His name is
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Jeff Rison. He's been on the show a couple of times.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: He got a pig in there.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: He's got a cow heart. He had a heart transplant.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: There's no you can't put a cow in a person. Well,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: there's no way. His tickerts to pancre.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I wanted when we had him on the show, because
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: he's sort of a draft nerd. This was years ago.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I wanted you to ask him about cow hearts because
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: he's got one.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: There's no way, dude.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's my question, just real quick.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: And I think you got with three big old cow hearts.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: He went to the wrong vet, promised to Piggy mccow.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: No, a human cannot have a whole cow heart transplanted,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: but they can't have a heart valve made from cow tissue.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: So there, Yeah, that's what you want to happen. It's
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: not a cow.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: If I had a pig, and yeah, what I want
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: to eat my own self Like all of a sudden,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: like the somehow the molecules from the pigs valve like
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: get into my thumb and I'm like, God, I'd like
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: to fry that mother up. Mmm.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I love this, rendered moje fat.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I know this is a conversation for a longer amount
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: of time, but just on the surface. We'll get back
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: to this later. I want to ask you guys something.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: So Mahomes is back. People pretend the chief season went
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: awry because Mahomes tore his knee up. They still they
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: were sub five hundred in December when he was still
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: playing like that was not a team that was going anywhere.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: But the Chiefs are now favorites in the AFC according
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: to every sports book known to man.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Do you buy it?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Because what's really changed for the Chiefs here? They brought
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: in Kenneth Walker should help the running game, given, but
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Rice can't stay at a handcuffs, okay, and Travis Kelsey's older.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I love how you just sort of gloss over it though.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Don't.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: First of all, they have a pedigree, and they've got
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: an awesome coach and maybe the best quarterback in the league. Still, yeah, Okay,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm better than Peter Mahmes. Well you're not, Daryl.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: And then then you say, well, they brought in this,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: they brought in this, you know, super Bowl when he's
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: running back, who's thet highest free agent in the market.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, don't just gloss over that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, is that sounds like you are?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Is that the difference between them being sub five hundred
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and December and being you know, twelve and three again, No.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Man, but sometimes seasons just get away from teams.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, I can buy that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Sure, it just got it. They've played again, the late
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: great Peter McNabb. They played so much important football over
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the years. You're going to have a season that gets
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: away from you. Fair Well, what guys like Patrick Mahomes
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: and Andy Reid do is they rectify that grap and
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: they're back and they're they're ready to go get you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: That's that's my biggest fear. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe they're
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: gonna be a five hundred club this year, do doubt it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Does it weird you out that Patrick Mahomes is out
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: there for OTA's Day one and if the Broncos are
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: on the field, b Nix probably wouldn't be that does that?
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Does it does weird me out?
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Because this happened, this ankle issue happened in January, it
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: is now June.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, that is, that's a long time to overcome
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: that injury.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I've broken both ankles, I.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I that's this is the only injury I can speak
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: of directly personally. That's a long time to come back
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: from an ankle injury. And that tells me I don't
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: care what anybody says. Six months for a broken ankle.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: No, Well, we'll get back to this a little bit later.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Three oh three, five, four nine two five back after
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: this