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Sharri | 17 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening Albanese's disastrous specific tour with two failed security
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Speaker 2: packed signings. Michael Kroger and James Patterson will be on
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Speaker 2: the show to talk about his humiliating trip. Could Charlie
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Speaker 2: Kirk's assassination have been prevented, the chilling note his killer
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Speaker 2: wrote before the murder, And how China, Qatar and Russia
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Speaker 2: are among those claiming Israel is committing a genocide just
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Speaker 2: as it opens up a humanitarian passage. Elon Levy will
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Speaker 2: be here. He'll call out the outrageous lies. That's all
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Speaker 2: coming up, but first tonight. The United States President has
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Speaker 2: accused the ABC of damaging diplomatic relations after its reporter
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Speaker 2: in the US hit him with a barrage of questions
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Speaker 2: about his wealth. The ABC's Washington correspondent, John Lyons, is
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Speaker 2: an anti Israel Trump critic. Trump was about to bord
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Speaker 2: a flight when Lions hit him with a series of
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Speaker 2: questions about his business dealings. Trump asked where he was from,
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Speaker 2: and then accused him of damaging relations between the United
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Speaker 2: States and Australia.
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Speaker 3: They never occupied the White House.
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Speaker 4: I hope how much wealthier are you now than when
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Speaker 4: you return to the White House.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know the deals I made for the
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Speaker 5: most part, other than what my kids are doing. You know,
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Speaker 5: they're running my business. But most of the deals that
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Speaker 5: I've made were made before. And that's what I've done
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Speaker 5: for a life. I've built buildings, like I'm building a
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Speaker 5: building here. You know where I'm building.
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Speaker 6: You know what you are?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is going to be the greatest buroom anywhere
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Speaker 5: in the world, and for one hundred and fift So
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Speaker 5: it gives me pleasure to do it for the country,
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Speaker 5: and I'm paying for it.
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Speaker 6: I'm paying for it countries.
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Speaker 5: And that's an expensive ballroom.
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Speaker 7: But he did a prop.
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Speaker 5: I think it'll cost two one hundred and fifty million
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Speaker 5: dollars and it will be I think the finest book.
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Speaker 5: So for one hundred and fifty years, John, you know there,
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Speaker 5: they've wanted a ball room and now they're going to
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Speaker 5: finally have it. Your parent's going to knock your shop.
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Speaker 3: So he's a privately President Trump that a president in
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Speaker 3: office should be engaged.
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Speaker 5: In so much peace's activity. Well, I'm really not. My
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Speaker 5: kids are running the business. You know what the activity.
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Speaker 5: Where are you from, I'm from the Australian broadcasting of
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Speaker 5: rights in full corn in private the Australias. You're hurting
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Speaker 5: Australia right in my opinion, you are hurting Australia very
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Speaker 5: much right now that they want to get along with me.
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Speaker 5: You know your your your leader is coming over to
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Speaker 5: see me very so I'm going to tell them about you.
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Speaker 5: You said a very bad tone.
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Speaker 2: It ended with Trump ordering lions to be quiet as
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Speaker 2: he took a question from another journalist.
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Speaker 5: Well, go ahead, you said the deal wasn't want in
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Speaker 5: return by it.
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Speaker 2: So Trump said that that he's planning to raise the
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Speaker 2: exchange with the Australian Prime minister when they meet. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's confirmation from Trump himself that he is planning to
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Speaker 2: meet with Albanzi. This will be their first face to
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Speaker 2: face meeting since Trump won the election in November last year.
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Speaker 2: Ten months without a face to face between the leaders
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Speaker 2: of Australia and the United States is extraordinary, and the
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Speaker 2: pair have no personal relationship at all. Trump repeatedly rebuffed
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Speaker 2: Albanese's phone calls earlier this year, a story I broke
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Speaker 2: at the time. I can exclusively reveal that Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi has not managed to schedule another call with
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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump.
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Speaker 8: Three sources tell me.
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Speaker 2: That Albanzi and his representatives have been desperately contacting Republican
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Speaker 2: networks in the US, approaching senior figures to try and
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Speaker 2: appeal to President Trump. Well. Albanesi denied my report, but
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Speaker 2: just a week later he was forced to admit that
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Speaker 2: he had been trying and failing to get a call
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Speaker 2: with Trump. At the time, the President was giving Albanesi
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Speaker 2: the cold shoulder, and in their first sit down, it
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Speaker 2: will be Trump who sets the tone, and the President
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Speaker 2: knows full well who he's dealing with. Albinizi is traveling
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Speaker 2: to the United Nations General Assembly to express his support
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Speaker 2: for a Palestinian state, whereas Trump has said that recognized
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Speaker 2: a Palestinian state rewards Hermas and he said this when
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Speaker 2: Canada indicated it would be voting for recognition. He said,
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Speaker 2: Canada has just announced that it is backing statehood for Palestine.
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Speaker 2: That will make it very hard for US to make
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Speaker 2: a trade deal with them. And Trump's Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio just visited Israel, where he said the immediate
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Speaker 2: priority was not recognition, military effort to eliminate the harmas terrorists.
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Speaker 9: Hamas needs to cease to exist as an armed element
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Speaker 9: that can threaten the peace of security of the region,
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Speaker 9: and the people of Gaza deserve a better future, but
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Speaker 9: that better future cannot begin until Hamas is eliminated.
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Speaker 2: Trump's priority is defense and national security, strong borders, a
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Speaker 2: strong military, and he's banned migrants from Gaza, but Albanesi
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Speaker 2: refuses to meaningfully increase our defense spending. Our military is
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Speaker 2: just that investment hasn't been there, and he's got a
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Speaker 2: near world record of immigrants from Gaza issuing nearly three
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Speaker 2: thousand visas. Albinizi planned to meet with Palestinian Authority President
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Speaker 2: Mahmurabas in America, Trump banned him from coming to the States.
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Speaker 2: Apart from the tariffs, Trump is positioned as a conservative
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Speaker 2: in terms of his values and his policies, whereas Albanese
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Speaker 2: is from the left faction of the Labor Party and
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Speaker 2: has expressed radical views throughout his career on borders, immigration,
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Speaker 2: and economics. There's also the issue of China the United States,
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Speaker 2: and this was even the case under the Biden administration.
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Speaker 2: It's been alarmed by Albanese's embrace and lack of criticism
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Speaker 2: of the Communist Party. Albanesi has met with Chinese President
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Speaker 2: Shijingping four times before, he's even had a single meeting
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Speaker 2: with the president of our closest ally America. And now
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Speaker 2: Trump has had this hostile interaction with the ABC. And
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Speaker 2: as for John Lyons, by the way, he is strongly
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Speaker 2: anti Israel and he's a critic of Trump's. Just a
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Speaker 2: few days ago, he wrote an article blaming Trump for
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Speaker 2: a lack of leadership following Charlie Kirk's assassination. Lyons wrote,
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Speaker 2: the US desperately needs a leader who will try to
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Speaker 2: unite the country at this time. But if anything, Trump,
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Speaker 2: who was close to Kirk, has only added to the
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Speaker 2: sense of anger rather than try to de escalate it.
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Speaker 8: And he wrote if.
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Speaker 2: The President himself adds fuel, then the danger will grow.
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Speaker 2: Lyons also criticized Trump for automatically assuming that the shooter
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Speaker 2: was from the radical left. He wrote that Trump doubled
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Speaker 2: down on the assumption that the assassin was someone from
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Speaker 2: the radical left.
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Speaker 8: John Lyons is far from impartial.
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Speaker 2: He's been a prolific Israel critic. Remember when Israel was
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Speaker 2: wrongly blamed for a misfired rocket on a hospital in
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Speaker 2: Gaza Within minutes of the explosion, Hamask claimed Israel was
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Speaker 2: responsible and that five hundred were dead. The lie spread
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Speaker 2: around the world, but it was corrected by media outlets
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Speaker 2: internationally when evidence showed that it was a Palestinian Islamic
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Speaker 2: g had rocket, not Israel, and the Palestinian Islamic g
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Speaker 2: had had misfired the rocket. It had then hit the
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Speaker 2: car park of Al Ali Hospital. Yet John Lyons did
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Speaker 2: not admit unequivocally that the earlier reports blaming Israel were wrong. Instead,
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Speaker 2: he said it was in dispute this week.
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Speaker 1: The blast at the Alali Hospital could prove to be
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Speaker 1: a pivotal moment in the early stages of this war.
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Speaker 1: Israel was blamed initially, but it has presented evidence suggesting
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Speaker 1: it was in fact a misfired rocket shot by Palestinian militants,
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Speaker 1: and the US has backed that version, as have a
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Speaker 1: number of independent experts. But what do you make of
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Speaker 1: this tragedy this week and the impact it's having on
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Speaker 1: the broader conflict.
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Speaker 3: I think very serious doubt. I'm in both sides are
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Speaker 3: claiming the others did it. The Israelis had presented what
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Speaker 3: looks on the face of it compelling evidence that it
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Speaker 3: wasn't one of its rockets. I think in a way,
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Speaker 3: until this an examination, we'll never know.
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Speaker 2: And in July last year, Hesbila fired a rocket that
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Speaker 2: slatted twelve Israeli drew's children on a soccer field in
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Speaker 2: Majdoor Sharps. It was one of the worst tragedies of
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Speaker 2: this war, and we had one of the distraught mothers
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Speaker 2: who lost her child on the show at the time.
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Speaker 2: But John Lyons was skeptical and he said it might
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Speaker 2: have even been Israel. He said he'd like to actually
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Speaker 2: see the rocket that was fired and see the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Even though Israel had released that evidence of a.
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Speaker 3: Look, Hezbollah is denying it's them. Usually they claim rocket
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Speaker 3: attacks into Israel or into this occupied part of the
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Speaker 3: Golan Heights. They're insisting it's not them. It may be them,
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Speaker 3: but it's still not confirmed. Some people on the ground
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Speaker 3: are suggesting that it could have been an interceptor, an
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Speaker 3: Israeli intercept the rocket that was trying to hit an
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Speaker 3: incoming Hesbel rocket. On that particular day, Hezbola did claim
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Speaker 3: responsibility for about twelve strikes into Israel. It's very unusual though,
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Speaker 3: for Hezbollah to target this area, which is in the
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Speaker 3: gol And Heights. It's mainly members of the Druze population,
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Speaker 3: Arabic speakers, and it has not been a heavy target
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Speaker 3: for Hezbola. But Israel is assuming it is. The United
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Speaker 3: States and Israel are insisting it is, but there is
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Speaker 3: some element of doubt over that at the moment. I'd
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Speaker 3: like to actually see the rocket that was fired. The
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Speaker 3: Israelis are saying it's an Iranian made Fullah number one rocket.
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Speaker 10: I'd like to.
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Speaker 1: Actually see the evidence.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, he'd like to see the rocket that was fired.
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Speaker 2: This is John Lyons, who's reporting has been far from impartial,
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Speaker 2: as the ABC's charter requires.
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Speaker 8: Perhaps if you you've had.
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Speaker 2: The misfortune of watching Lions on the ABC, you may
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Speaker 2: have at times felt like telling him to be quiet. Well,
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Speaker 2: the President of the United States has done.
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Speaker 8: That for you.
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Speaker 2: Who we spoke last night about the existence of an
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Speaker 2: alleged text message confession from Charlie Kirk's assassin. Well, these
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Speaker 2: texts have now been released in full and they're chilling.
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Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson told his boyfriend Lance Twiggs, who is transitioning
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Speaker 2: from a man to a woman, that he'd been planning
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Speaker 2: the assassination for about a week and This was the
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Speaker 2: moment he confessed to his boyfriend that he had murdered
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. He wrote, drop what you are doing? Look
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Speaker 2: under my keyboard. The partner says, what you're joking right,
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Speaker 2: and Tyler Robinson writes, I am still okay, my love,
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Speaker 2: but am stuck in oram for a little while longer
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Speaker 2: yet shouldn't be long until I can come home. But
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Speaker 2: I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest,
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Speaker 2: I had hoped to keep this secret till I died
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Speaker 2: of old age. I'm sorry to involve you. And his
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Speaker 2: partner writes, you weren't the one who did it, right,
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Speaker 2: and Tyler says, I am, I am sorry, and the
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Speaker 2: partner says, I'm I thought they caught the person. Now.
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Speaker 2: The note under his keyboard allegedly said I had the
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Speaker 2: opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to
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Speaker 2: take it. You just wonder if anyone had found that
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Speaker 2: note in advance, if it would have made any difference,
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Speaker 2: if the murder could have been prevented. Robinson then sent
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Speaker 2: a barrage of text messages worried about his rifle being found.
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Speaker 2: He said he dumped it in the bushes where he
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Speaker 2: changed his clothes, and he also said that it was
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Speaker 2: his grandfather's rifle and that his father, a di had
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Speaker 2: die Hard Maga Fan apparently was calling him on the phone.
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Speaker 2: He wrote to him, is partner delete this exchange. My
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Speaker 2: dad wants photos of the rifle, he says, Grandpa wants
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Speaker 2: to know who has what.
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Speaker 8: The Feds released a photo of.
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Speaker 2: The rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me
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Speaker 2: right now. I'm not answering. Eventually, he said, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to turn myself in Willingly.
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Speaker 8: One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.
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Speaker 2: Now. Meanwhile, Robinson appeared on video link from prison and
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Speaker 2: he showed no remorse as the judge outlined the charges
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Speaker 2: against him.
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Speaker 11: Tyler James Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler
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Speaker 11: James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression.
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Speaker 11: Notice if the triyer fact finds beyond a reasonable doubt
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Speaker 11: that the victim targeting enhouncement applies.
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Speaker 2: He sat there for around ten minutes expressionless. If found guilty,
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Speaker 2: he will likely be sentenced to death. The prosecution filed
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Speaker 2: notice that they will seek the death penalty which is
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Speaker 2: available in Utah, and hopefully there won't be any outpouring
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Speaker 2: of misplaced sympathy for this alleged cold blooded killer, but
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise me if there was, because overnight the
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Speaker 2: news that an ABC reporter described Robinson's text messages as touching,
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Speaker 2: claiming it showed a duality and a loving side to
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Speaker 2: the accused murderer.
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Speaker 7: It was very touching in a way that I think
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Speaker 7: many of us didn't expect, a very intimate tortrait into
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Speaker 7: this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself,
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Speaker 7: with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who was transitioning, calling
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Speaker 7: him my love and I want to protect you.
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Speaker 5: My love.
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Speaker 7: So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said,
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Speaker 7: not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd,
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Speaker 7: but was doing it in front of children, which is
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Speaker 7: one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on
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Speaker 7: the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly about his partners.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's graceful attempt to try and humanize the killer.
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Speaker 2: And he's of course rightly been condemned for those comments.
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Speaker 2: But this is the shocking moral confusion that we've been
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Speaker 2: speaking about. Yet too many on the far left continue
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Speaker 2: to celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination or describe him in hateful
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Speaker 2: terms less than a week after he was gone down,
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Speaker 2: and the Trump administration has now vowed to strip visas
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Speaker 2: from any non citizens who did this.
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Speaker 10: But we were vote pieces of people.
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Speaker 12: I don't know.
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Speaker 9: We've were vot visas for people that is the country.
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Speaker 9: We've certainly been denying visas.
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Speaker 6: I mean, think about it. I wanted you to think
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Speaker 6: about this promoment opinion.
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Speaker 9: You're out there and celebrating the assassination in cool blood
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Speaker 9: of someone, and then.
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Speaker 6: You want to come in. Why wouldn't want anybody like
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Speaker 6: that in our country as a tourist, as anything.
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Speaker 9: We don't want them here.
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, a television host was suspended and later resigned
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Speaker 2: for being too sympathetic to Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 8: Here's what she said two days ago.
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Speaker 13: I lost a mentor, my first boss, the first person
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Speaker 13: who made me believe in myself, that encouraged me to
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Speaker 13: chase this dream that you're watching right now, Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 13: There's a lot going on in our world right now
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Speaker 13: in our country. But I want to say one thing,
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Speaker 13: Lean on your neighbors, speak up for what you believe in.
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Speaker 13: I don't care what it is.
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Speaker 2: And there's been widespread outrage over this. Surely someone should
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Speaker 2: be able to mourn the death of a celebrated and
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Speaker 2: much loved young father without being suspended from their job.
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Speaker 2: And the irony is her employer accuses her of impartiality,
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Speaker 2: but by suspending her, they are expressing their own impartiality.
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Speaker 2: And so the fallout across America continues. Six days after
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's assassination, the fault lines in the West have
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Speaker 2: been thoroughly exposed. The very values, ethics, and principles that
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Speaker 2: underpin the functioning of our civil society are clearly under threat.
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Speaker 2: For more and that I'm joined now by our regular
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Speaker 2: Wednesday panel, former Victorian Liberal Party President Michael Kroger and
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Speaker 2: label agent Graham Richardson.
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Speaker 8: And just sticking with.
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Speaker 2: This topic, Richo, if Robinson is found guilty, then why
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Speaker 2: should he get to live his life when he's taken
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Speaker 2: away Charlie Kirk's Well, I.
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Speaker 12: Just don't believe in the taking of a human life, period,
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Speaker 12: So I would never support that. It's not something I
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Speaker 12: could ever ever vote for.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Michael, even in this instance where
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Speaker 2: there's you know, whether if it gets to the point
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Speaker 2: if he is found guilty, even in this instance.
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Speaker 10: Well, I tend to agree with Richo. No legal systems
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Speaker 10: in f leble and I personally don't believe in killing people,
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Speaker 10: whether it's Charlie Kirk or this moron. But will be
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Speaker 10: will he face the death penal in Utah? Well, clearly
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Speaker 10: he will if he's found guilty, and that's a matter
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Speaker 10: obviously for the courts. But I think what's happening here
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Speaker 10: in America and your seat in the Western world is
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Speaker 10: that amongst the left there is now a deep sense
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Speaker 10: of anarchist ideology. People say, how do you explain the
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Speaker 10: left today? Well, the radical left are basically anarchists. They
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Speaker 10: don't respect borders, they don't respect courts, they don't respect
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Speaker 10: the police, they don't respect authority, they don't respect private property,
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Speaker 10: they don't respect public property, they don't respect laws, and
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Speaker 10: they don't in this case respect the life of another human.
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Speaker 10: And you see this sort of anarchist philosophy at these
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Speaker 10: any Jewish demonstrations in Australia in Melbourne every Sunday. You
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Speaker 10: see it in the way that synagogues firebombed, et cetera,
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Speaker 10: et cetera. This is what you're seeing in the world today,
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Speaker 10: anarchist Undercarrent, This anarchist philosophy where nothing built up in
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Speaker 10: the Western world, no centers or power authority that have
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Speaker 10: been built up, warrant respect.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about that, Ritro, Because as I said,
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Speaker 2: I think on Monday night, I initially thought this was
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Speaker 2: just to do with the Jews, this attitude from the left,
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Speaker 2: that it was anti Semitism, But now I can see
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Speaker 2: that it is a sickness within the left, this moral decay.
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Speaker 12: What do you think, Richo, It is indeed a moral decay.
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Speaker 6: It is indeed a sickness.
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Speaker 12: I'm always I think upset when I see this sort
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Speaker 12: of thing, and this is another example of something that
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Speaker 12: I've always detested and always hoped wouldn't enter into our
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Speaker 12: own country. But unfortunately it seems to be entering it
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Speaker 12: all the time.
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Speaker 8: It's just getting worse and worse.
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Speaker 2: Celebrating someone's death because you disagree with them, absolutely disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: I want to get both of your views on Trump
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Speaker 2: chiding John Lyons. Now, Michael, look, I think he was
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Speaker 2: asking legitimate questions. But great to see the President telling
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Speaker 2: lions to be quiet.
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Speaker 10: Well, it was a legitimate question by lions, and Trump
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Speaker 10: shouldn't blame Australia for the behavior of a rogue ABC journalists.
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Speaker 10: Having said that, the biggest the big question, the two
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Speaker 10: bigger questions, why is John Lyons in America representing Australia,
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Speaker 10: representing Australian Broadcasting corporation seriously after his performance in Israel.
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Speaker 10: But the bigger question is of all the issues that
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Speaker 10: the Four Corners program dealing with in relation to issues
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Speaker 10: and specifically in relation to our relationship with the Americans.
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Speaker 10: It's not about the other thirty more important issues. It's
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Speaker 10: Trump's business dealings for goodness sake, It's not trade, it's
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Speaker 10: not tariffs, it's not free speech, it's not Palestine, it's
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Speaker 10: not you know, and many other issues. It's this, I mean,
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Speaker 10: have they learnt nothing from the story of the century
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Speaker 10: that they put towever a few years ago on Four Corners,
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Speaker 10: which was an utter humiliation for the ABC, And now
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Speaker 10: the best they can come up with is sending poor
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Speaker 10: old John Lyons into battle to get you some clickbait
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Speaker 10: on Trump's business dealings? Is that the most important story
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Speaker 10: for the ABC in relation to Australia's relations with the US.
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Speaker 10: For goodness sake, it shows you how completely out of
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Speaker 10: touch the ABC are with reality.
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Speaker 2: I think it shows that ideological agenda, rich I mean
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Speaker 2: four Corners program has done so many expose a's on
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Speaker 2: the Coalition, the you know, the conservative side of politics
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Speaker 2: here in Australia. For conness piece, the Russia hoax that
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Speaker 2: Michael just referred to as well, that was proven incorrect.
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Speaker 2: No retraction to apology hasn't even been taken down. So
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Speaker 2: you know, where was their investigation into Hunter Biden's dealings.
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Speaker 2: Miranda Devine had to do that. The left claimed this
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Speaker 2: was all a conspiracy. They wouldn't touch it.
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Speaker 12: Richo, Yeah, I wish I had a good answer, but
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Speaker 12: I don't. I'm stunned by some of the things I'd
22:29
Speaker 12: heard in this debate in recent times. I don't understand
22:34
Speaker 12: really how we're going to get it back onto some
22:37
Speaker 12: sort of sensible track, because it's a long way off
22:41
Speaker 12: that at the moment.
22:42
Speaker 8: No it is.
22:43
Speaker 2: Indeed, now, as you know, Albinize has been traveling the world.
22:46
Speaker 2: He thinks he's this big global player, but so far
22:49
Speaker 2: his two deals in the Pacific with Vanuatu and Papua
22:52
Speaker 2: New Guinea have been a failure. Now remember how strongly
22:56
Speaker 2: Penny Wong and Albanezi attacked Scott Morrison when he was
23:01
Speaker 2: the Prime minister over the Pacific.
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Speaker 8: Have a look.
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Speaker 3: This is a massive foreign policy failure on the Prime
23:08
Speaker 3: Minister's watch, a massive foreign policy failure, one in which
23:12
Speaker 3: they were warned about. This prime minister has presided over
23:16
Speaker 3: a reduction in Australia's influence in the Pacific, and he's
23:19
Speaker 3: damaged our relationships.
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Speaker 2: Michael, this is the second pact. The PM hasn't got
23:24
Speaker 2: over the line. As I mentioned Vanuatu, if this situation
23:28
Speaker 2: were reversed, Labor would be going hell for lather.
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Speaker 10: Of course, where's pinning on? By the way, why was
23:35
Speaker 10: she there to rescue the rescue the situation? Look, Australians
23:40
Speaker 10: don't like to see our prime minister, whether Liberal or Labor,
23:43
Speaker 10: humiliated overseas. I mean, no one wants to see that.
23:46
Speaker 10: I don't. But this has been two humiliating visits. Why
23:52
Speaker 10: this wasn't organized and settled weeks and weeks in advance.
23:56
Speaker 10: To go there with these deals not resolved and not
23:59
Speaker 10: so off on was just a humiliation for him, and
24:04
Speaker 10: he's damaged the country. I mean, the usual thing that
24:06
Speaker 10: happens is it's all signed off by the officials. And
24:09
Speaker 10: what happens is when Albanese gets there, they have a
24:12
Speaker 10: signing ceremony for an agreement that's already resolved and signed
24:16
Speaker 10: off on by the cabinets. You don't turn up at
24:18
Speaker 10: the last minute and find the cabinet ministers they're off celebrating,
24:22
Speaker 10: you know, P and g's independence, fifty years of independence.
24:25
Speaker 10: I mean, what a total shamozzle of failure by Albanese,
24:28
Speaker 10: failure by Richard Marles of Wong. And of course now
24:31
Speaker 10: the Chinese are bucketing him in the Chinese newspapers because
24:35
Speaker 10: they think he's two faced. I mean, this is just
24:37
Speaker 10: becoming fascical. And you know, as you say, four meetings
24:42
Speaker 10: with the Chinese and none with the American president, well,
24:45
Speaker 10: you know, they just think you're a fool. And that's
24:48
Speaker 10: the way, and that's the way Albanese's turning out. Unfortunately.
24:51
Speaker 2: And by the way, now senior figures from P ANDNG.
24:54
Speaker 2: I'm going to meet senior Chinese officials as well. So
24:58
Speaker 2: you know, we have yet to see where this goes
25:01
Speaker 2: from here, where the China is able to scuttle this
25:05
Speaker 2: packed completely. But Richard just back to the hypocrisy of it.
25:09
Speaker 2: Labor could not have smashed Scott Morrison more and his
25:13
Speaker 2: government more over the Pacific and yet look at their failures.
25:17
Speaker 2: Hundreds of millions if not billions thrown into Pacific deals
25:21
Speaker 2: and it hasn't been signed.
25:24
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's, as I've said before, not Labour's
25:29
Speaker 12: finest hour. We get a lot of things right, but
25:34
Speaker 12: being humans, you're always going to get something wrong. This,
25:37
Speaker 12: I think is something wrong.
25:39
Speaker 8: What's he got right?
25:41
Speaker 12: Well, I think the whole of our relationship is pretty good,
25:45
Speaker 12: So I think that's right. You know that it's better
25:49
Speaker 12: to look for what's wrong because there's not much.
25:53
Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't see that there's much right at
25:56
Speaker 2: all with this government at the moment, which is a
25:59
Speaker 2: problem because there's no opposition to hold them to account.
26:02
Speaker 2: It's all up to some of us journalists to do
26:06
Speaker 2: that job because the opposition is in its weakest point.
26:09
Speaker 8: We've run out of time to talk about the opposition.
26:10
Speaker 2: We'll get there next week. Michael Kroger, Graham Richardson, thank
26:14
Speaker 2: you both so much. And Opposition leader Susan Lee has
26:18
Speaker 2: delivered her first major economic speech today, accusing labor of
26:23
Speaker 2: reckless spending, warning of a trillion dollar debt spiral, and
26:27
Speaker 2: blasting taxpayer handouts.
26:30
Speaker 14: By dependency, I mean the growing expectation that government will
26:35
Speaker 14: provide that every need and solve every problem by spending more.
26:40
Speaker 14: We believe government support should be a safety net, not
26:43
Speaker 14: a hammock. That means, for example, we should not be
26:46
Speaker 14: paying benefits to high income households, and.
26:51
Speaker 2: Shadow Finance Minister Jamis Patterson joins me now, James, good
26:54
Speaker 2: to see you again. Now, Susan Lee spoke about moving
26:57
Speaker 2: Australia from dependency to empowerm now the message is absolutely right,
27:02
Speaker 2: but how will you sell this electually? Isn't it very
27:06
Speaker 2: difficult to convince Australian who are struggling to pay their bills.
27:12
Speaker 15: Showing in politics, the first and most important thing to
27:15
Speaker 15: work out is what is in the national interest, what
27:17
Speaker 15: do we need to do, and then to work out
27:19
Speaker 15: how to sell it. And the truth is we are
27:22
Speaker 15: on an unsustainable trajectory with our public finances that is
27:25
Speaker 15: going to impoverish future generations and leave with them an
27:28
Speaker 15: enormous stebt burden that they have not benefited from. And
27:31
Speaker 15: so we want to do the right thing by that generation.
27:33
Speaker 15: We want to step up and acknowledge the problems.
27:35
Speaker 12: Now.
27:35
Speaker 15: There will be some tough conversations that will have to happen,
27:38
Speaker 15: there will be some tough choices that have to be made,
27:40
Speaker 15: but we can't just allow our country to continue to
27:43
Speaker 15: go along this path. Otherwise we will all suffer. And
27:46
Speaker 15: so Susan has called this out today and she said
27:48
Speaker 15: that the spending trajectory that the Albanezi government and Jim
27:51
Speaker 15: Chalmers have put us on must be arrested. We must
27:54
Speaker 15: live within our means and we must aim to deliver
27:57
Speaker 15: budget services and pay down that debt.
27:58
Speaker 2: Again, the issue is that when it comes time to
28:02
Speaker 2: the election and Labour's promising free to pay people's hex
28:06
Speaker 2: s debt and you know free this and that when
28:10
Speaker 2: the coalition was in that position before the last election,
28:13
Speaker 2: you agreed with all of the spending items because it
28:16
Speaker 2: would have been difficult impossible to oppose them. So you
28:20
Speaker 2: know again, won't it weg you if you say that
28:23
Speaker 2: we need to cut spending we're not going to give
28:25
Speaker 2: free hex debt, how will you ever get back into government.
28:30
Speaker 15: One of the wisest observations one of your previous guests,
28:33
Speaker 15: Michael Kroger makes often is that the Liberal Party never
28:36
Speaker 15: wins auction politics. And what he means by that is,
28:39
Speaker 15: if it's a bid on who can be more generous,
28:42
Speaker 15: the Liberal Party loses the election. If instead it's a
28:45
Speaker 15: contest about who can build a stronger economy and who
28:47
Speaker 15: can deliver a stronger budget and who can reduce taxes more,
28:50
Speaker 15: then that is a conversation that we can win, and
28:53
Speaker 15: we have one in the past. And I think the
28:55
Speaker 15: lesson from the last election is we do need to
28:57
Speaker 15: have the courage of our convictions. We do need to
28:59
Speaker 15: set out differences between ourselves and the government. And one
29:02
Speaker 15: of the best areas to do that is putting our
29:05
Speaker 15: physical house in order and getting us back onto a
29:07
Speaker 15: sustainable trajectory. Because this government has added tens of billions
29:11
Speaker 15: of dollars of recurrent spending without any plan to pay
29:14
Speaker 15: for it, and the Prime Minister has flagg they're going
29:16
Speaker 15: to do even more of it by, for example, having
29:19
Speaker 15: unmeans tested universal childcare subsidies, so someone on a million
29:24
Speaker 15: dollars a year would have their childcare subsidize. Now that
29:27
Speaker 15: might be a nice thing to have, but an environment
29:29
Speaker 15: where we can't pay for what our current expenses are,
29:32
Speaker 15: it's just not responsible.
29:34
Speaker 2: Spoke a moment ago about alb and Easy failing to
29:37
Speaker 2: sign two Pacific security pacts despite Australia giving hundreds of
29:41
Speaker 2: millions of dollars to PMG. Is this a humiliating failure
29:45
Speaker 2: for the Prime Minister Showy?
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Speaker 15: I really hope this is just an e short term
29:51
Speaker 15: embarrassment and it's about a delay and not something not
29:54
Speaker 15: preceding at all. But I do fear that it may
29:57
Speaker 15: be worse than that, that it's more die than that,
29:59
Speaker 15: because the primester is now zero from two. He failed
30:02
Speaker 15: not just in Vaduwatu, but also in p ANDNG to
30:05
Speaker 15: secure these agreements, which his government had been briefing the
30:08
Speaker 15: media for weeks were in the bag. So it's certainly
30:11
Speaker 15: an embarrassing moment. But I hope in the national interest
30:13
Speaker 15: and for the sake of our country in the strategic
30:15
Speaker 15: environment that we find ourselves in, that they can pull
30:18
Speaker 15: this out of the fire and secure this agreement.
30:20
Speaker 2: Just a little bit later, Andrew Hasty has doubled down
30:24
Speaker 2: in his threat to quit the front bench if the
30:27
Speaker 2: party adopts the net zero Bay twenty fifty policy. James,
30:31
Speaker 2: you're close to Andrew Hasty, You're both on the right
30:34
Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party. Just to be absolutely clear, do
30:37
Speaker 2: you agree with him on net zero?
30:42
Speaker 15: Andrew is my very good friend, as you know, Shari,
30:44
Speaker 15: and I've taken a position on this debate that as
30:46
Speaker 15: a member of the Shadow Cabinet who has the opportunity
30:49
Speaker 15: to have a say through our party processes, that I'm
30:51
Speaker 15: not going to be canvassing my personal views publicly. What
30:54
Speaker 15: I can say is I think there's a high degree
30:57
Speaker 15: of unanimity among the coalition that, of course we accept
31:01
Speaker 15: our responsibility to reduce emissions, as every Liberal leader since
31:04
Speaker 15: John Howard has committed us to, but that we would
31:07
Speaker 15: never sign Australia up to an unacceptable cost of reducing
31:10
Speaker 15: those emissions. And right now Labor is subjecting Australia to
31:14
Speaker 15: that unacceptable cost. They have mismanted to interrupt you in
31:18
Speaker 15: such a spectac so.
31:19
Speaker 8: Sorry to interrupt you.
31:20
Speaker 2: So Mikhayley Cash was on the show last night and
31:22
Speaker 2: she said something very similar. But what is the actual
31:25
Speaker 2: position then, is it, yes, you're going to agree to
31:28
Speaker 2: net zero or you're not going to agree to it.
31:32
Speaker 15: We'll cherry as you know, we haven't resolved that position
31:35
Speaker 15: yet and we're working through that process and I hope
31:37
Speaker 15: in good time we'll be able to share that with
31:39
Speaker 15: you and your viewers. But I think we shouldn't lose
31:42
Speaker 15: sight of the spectacular failure on Labour's watch, because not
31:45
Speaker 15: only are prices being driven up, not only had our
31:48
Speaker 15: system become less reliable, but they've also actually failed to
31:51
Speaker 15: reduce emissions. In fact, Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison and Malcolm
31:54
Speaker 15: Turmple all reduced emissions more than Anthony Alberanezi has done,
31:59
Speaker 15: despite his rhetoric on this issue. So it's really a
32:02
Speaker 15: trifecta of failure from the government. We must do better,
32:05
Speaker 15: and we accept our responsibility to articulate that very soon
32:08
Speaker 15: to the Australian public.
32:10
Speaker 2: Just quickly, before you go, i'd like to get your
32:13
Speaker 2: view on this moral confusion that we've seen, even from
32:16
Speaker 2: Fatima Payment. I'm going to play her comments later in
32:19
Speaker 2: the show, but fatim A Payment and others in the
32:21
Speaker 2: wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
32:26
Speaker 15: I was really disappointed and shocked to see Senator Payman's
32:28
Speaker 15: comments this afternoon. She and I obviously have very different
32:31
Speaker 15: world views, but I still would not have thought that
32:33
Speaker 15: she would someone who would make light of a political
32:36
Speaker 15: assassination of someone else's death. I really hope she reflects
32:40
Speaker 15: on that and apologizes. None of us in public life
32:42
Speaker 15: should ever make light of a political assassination or murder,
32:46
Speaker 15: and those that do so really do deserve to suffer
32:49
Speaker 15: the consequences of their behavior. And I think the judgment
32:52
Speaker 15: will be swift and it will be harsh.
32:55
Speaker 2: Right James Patterson always terrific Tavy on the show, Thank
32:59
Speaker 2: you so much, and still to come the impact of
33:02
Speaker 2: Robert Redford. I'll discuss his legacy with Holly Hughes and
33:06
Speaker 2: Adam Crichton.
33:06
Speaker 8: Plus how China, Katar.
33:08
Speaker 2: And Russia claim Israel is committing a genocide. Elon Leevy,
33:12
Speaker 2: we'll call this out.
33:14
Speaker 8: It's all coming up.
33:19
Speaker 2: Controversial Senator Fatima Payman has posted a highly offensive clip
33:24
Speaker 2: about Charlie Kirk, which she's already tried to clarify after
33:28
Speaker 2: an immediate uproar.
33:29
Speaker 8: Here's what she said.
33:31
Speaker 2: So, what do I think.
33:31
Speaker 15: About Charlie Kirk and obviously his assassusination.
33:37
Speaker 14: I think he was a pretty awful person and he
33:40
Speaker 14: doesn't deserve all the recognition he's getting. You know, it
33:43
Speaker 14: would have been best to not have him assassinated and
33:47
Speaker 14: for him to remain a footnote in the Trumpian.
33:51
Speaker 2: Era of the United States. Yeah, Charlie Kirk got shot
33:55
Speaker 2: and he's.
33:57
Speaker 8: IRIP.
33:59
Speaker 2: Whatever you want RIP to stand for. Some people will
34:03
Speaker 2: say it's not peace. So fill in the blanks. People,
34:07
Speaker 2: fill in the blanks.
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Speaker 8: It's just disgraceful.
34:12
Speaker 2: Joining Midau is my panel of former Liberal Senator Holly
34:15
Speaker 2: Hughes and IPA senior fellow Adam Crichton. Now she's now
34:20
Speaker 2: issued a statement trying to justify her horrible remarks. You know,
34:24
Speaker 2: she says she extends sympathies to Charlie Kirk's young family.
34:27
Speaker 2: She condemns or form of political violence. But Holly, the
34:30
Speaker 2: issue is that it's been six days since he was killed.
34:34
Speaker 8: Why is she talking about him?
34:35
Speaker 2: Why is she I don't even know what she means
34:38
Speaker 2: by RIP, but I can imagine it's something very offensive.
34:42
Speaker 16: I don't know what the PA is. I've actually been
34:44
Speaker 16: trying to think what the pea is that she's referring
34:46
Speaker 16: to other than peace.
34:47
Speaker 2: Farther for this as a member of parliament with this is.
34:50
Speaker 16: Now the second parliamentarian who's been broad from the Australian
34:53
Speaker 16: Parliament in either liking a post or now making a
34:56
Speaker 16: post that is can almost condu owning the assassination of
35:02
Speaker 16: Charlie Kirk or political violence in any of its form.
35:05
Speaker 16: But what I did note she said, you know, I hope,
35:07
Speaker 16: you know, I was hoping Charlie Kirk would just be
35:09
Speaker 16: a footnote to Trumpian politics. When I have no doubt
35:12
Speaker 16: Fatima Payman will be lucky to make a footnote. The
35:16
Speaker 16: only thing she will be probably ever remembered for is
35:18
Speaker 16: ratting on the ALP, because we know how much they
35:21
Speaker 16: embrace that sort of behavior. But why she felt that
35:25
Speaker 16: was necessary, I mean, rate the rowin people have a
35:28
Speaker 16: look what's happened everywhere, and we can see, you know,
35:31
Speaker 16: in the United States, and I don't know, but I
35:33
Speaker 16: assume it's going to happen elsewhere. People are being fired
35:36
Speaker 16: for the way that they celebrated his assassination and then
35:39
Speaker 16: she goes and behaves this way. Well, let's just hope
35:43
Speaker 16: the Australian people fire her at the next election.
35:45
Speaker 2: YEA, let's hope that indeed, Adam, I mean, the point
35:49
Speaker 2: here is that Charlie Kirk engaged in respectful debate. He
35:55
Speaker 2: wouldn't have ever mocked someone or made it an off
35:59
Speaker 2: color joke about them after their death.
36:04
Speaker 17: No, that is certainly true. But I can also in
36:06
Speaker 17: formuladies that the word for p is another word for uryon.
36:10
Speaker 17: So certainly in very poor taste, quite quite grotesque comments,
36:14
Speaker 17: very contemptible, and it's very sad that we have senators
36:17
Speaker 17: elected to the Senate like this. She should be judged
36:21
Speaker 17: by civil society and she will be. It seems that
36:23
Speaker 17: she's already backtracking as she should. But just a general point,
36:27
Speaker 17: we have to remember that one of the things that
36:29
Speaker 17: Charlie Kirk very much stood for was free speech, and
36:32
Speaker 17: even if it was horrible speech, even it was a
36:34
Speaker 17: very bad taste, he was very much for it. He
36:36
Speaker 17: didn't support people being canceled or charged criminally for what
36:40
Speaker 17: they say. So we just have to keep in mind
36:42
Speaker 17: at moments like these that you know, people are going
36:44
Speaker 17: to disagree, people are going to be rude and awful,
36:46
Speaker 17: and in a civil society we just have to live
36:48
Speaker 17: with it. But of course that said, what the senator
36:50
Speaker 17: said is very disgusting.
36:53
Speaker 8: No, it is.
36:54
Speaker 2: Indeed, now we're seeing now Trump obviously arrived in the
36:59
Speaker 2: UK overnight our time. He's been met with pageantry, royalty carriages, processions,
37:06
Speaker 2: gun salutes. The centerpiece of the visit was a banquet
37:09
Speaker 2: in Saint Johorge's Hole. Both King Charles and President Trump
37:12
Speaker 2: will make speeches. Holly, you know, Trump has had a
37:16
Speaker 2: very warm reception here.
37:18
Speaker 8: You bored King Charles.
37:19
Speaker 2: His friend spoke about how strong the relationship is.
37:23
Speaker 16: Isn't it incredible that the UK can generate such a
37:26
Speaker 16: strong relationship even with a very very left wing prime minister.
37:29
Speaker 16: Yet we're still yet to get a meeting, and this
37:31
Speaker 16: is his second visit to the UK. I mean, we
37:33
Speaker 16: saw the typical behavior with the images put up on
37:37
Speaker 16: Windsor Castle. But I think it's wonderful that he's there.
37:40
Speaker 16: There's obviously a lot of serious issues that will need
37:42
Speaker 16: to be discussed and part of what's happening within NATO
37:45
Speaker 16: and how those international groups and organizations are working together.
37:51
Speaker 16: But you know, I'm a moniker, so I just love
37:54
Speaker 16: saying any of this in the pageantry. I think it's fabulous.
37:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Trump of course loves having the royal treatment.
38:01
Speaker 2: As we know, Adam, there is a controversy as well.
38:04
Speaker 2: We've seen the protests that Holly just refer to, you know,
38:07
Speaker 2: projecting images of him and Jeffrey Epstein.
38:10
Speaker 8: It pretty obscene.
38:14
Speaker 17: Yes, look, I think Trump is very used to all
38:16
Speaker 17: these sorts of protests. I don't think that he's going
38:18
Speaker 17: to care very much about that. He's just enjoying a
38:19
Speaker 17: victory lap. As you said, I think it's very rare
38:21
Speaker 17: for presidents to get this sort of invitation to wins
38:24
Speaker 17: the castle twice.
38:26
Speaker 6: You know, the president arrives with the US.
38:28
Speaker 17: Being very powerful, the UK is a very diminished force.
38:31
Speaker 6: I just checked today.
38:32
Speaker 17: In twenty ten, the UK was four percent of the
38:35
Speaker 17: globe's DUDP and now it's three percent. So that's just
38:38
Speaker 17: in fifteen years it's shrunk by twenty five percent. So
38:41
Speaker 17: I don't really think the US president really cares very
38:43
Speaker 17: much what the UK thinks.
38:44
Speaker 6: He's enjoying himself. He likes King Charles.
38:46
Speaker 17: I don't think he thinks very much of Starma, And
38:49
Speaker 17: of course the irony is that the UK government does.
38:51
Speaker 8: Not even why do you say he does not think much?
38:53
Speaker 6: Pretty much the labor dharma.
38:55
Speaker 8: They seem to have a good relationship.
38:58
Speaker 6: Well they seem to, but Trump tries to have a
39:00
Speaker 6: good relationship with everyone. I mean, people misunderstand him in
39:02
Speaker 6: this sense.
39:02
Speaker 17: He's extremely kind to people on the left of politics
39:05
Speaker 17: who are leaders of other countries, whether it's Mark Carney
39:09
Speaker 17: or Starmer, or of course even Anthony Alberanezi, who he
39:11
Speaker 17: said a number of times is a nice man, a
39:13
Speaker 17: good man. So Trump is very gracious for all the
39:16
Speaker 17: criticism that he gets. Look, the trade deal with the
39:18
Speaker 17: UK has already been inked. I think back in April
39:20
Speaker 17: that's over. I don't think there's really that much to discuss.
39:24
Speaker 17: I think Trump's just enjoying himself. He's going to play
39:26
Speaker 17: some golf, he's going to go to checkers. He's having
39:28
Speaker 17: a lovely time.
39:29
Speaker 2: And we might get some live pictures of him later
39:32
Speaker 2: this hour. If so, we'll bring them to you.
39:34
Speaker 6: Now.
39:34
Speaker 2: One of the true giants of cinema has left us,
39:36
Speaker 2: with Robert Redford passing away in his home in Utah
39:39
Speaker 2: at the age of eighty nine. Incredible legacy acting, directing
39:44
Speaker 2: the creation of the Sundownce Film Festival in nineteen seventy four,
39:48
Speaker 2: He bought the rights to Washington Post journalists Kyle Bernstein
39:52
Speaker 2: and Bob Woodward's book about the Watergate scandal, or The
39:55
Speaker 2: President's Men, and he played Woodward in the film.
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Speaker 7: Get the Myths that the media is created about the
40:02
Speaker 7: way aft The truth is in my very bright guys,
40:07
Speaker 7: and things got out of hand.
40:09
Speaker 11: Supposedly he's got a lawyer with twenty five thousand dollars
40:12
Speaker 11: in a brown paper bag.
40:14
Speaker 2: Follow the money you mean, Yeah, Holly, A sad day
40:21
Speaker 2: but a good, long life and incredible legacy.
40:24
Speaker 16: I'm so glad you played that clip. That's my I
40:26
Speaker 16: think that's my favorite Redford film. And honestly, you know,
40:30
Speaker 16: I remember watching that movie when I was at school
40:34
Speaker 16: and was one of the reasons why I went off
40:36
Speaker 16: and did journalism, as you know, after I left school,
40:39
Speaker 16: because it was that whole Bernstein, that whole Woodwarden Burnstein,
40:43
Speaker 16: that whole Watergate, the story and the intrigue and the
40:46
Speaker 16: journalism behind that was it was incredible and it was all.
40:50
Speaker 16: The President's Man was definitely one of my favorites, probably
40:53
Speaker 16: only followed by Out of Africa.
40:56
Speaker 2: No, I do love all the presidents Man as well, Adam.
40:59
Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask you about Robert Redford. I
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Speaker 2: know you wanted to speak about the Victorian government's decision
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Speaker 2: over the offshore wind farm that they've now deferred.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Sure, Look, I mean, you know, this just shows that
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Speaker 17: offshore wind is increasingly uneconomic.
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Speaker 6: And it's really no surprise.
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Speaker 17: This isn't the first projects that's been canceled or postponed.
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Speaker 17: We've seen projects in the last few years in South Australia,
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Speaker 17: in Queensland and also New South Wales that have been
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Speaker 17: knocked on the head and it stands to reason. Really,
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Speaker 17: I mean, this is extremely uneconomic way to create energy.
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Speaker 17: You've got to basically build wind turbines or sorry, import
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Speaker 17: wind turbines which are about the height of Ceti Point
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Speaker 17: Tower in Sydney, and you have to fasten them in
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Speaker 17: the ocean that may only work forty percent of the time,
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Speaker 17: and then you have to get the energy from those
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Speaker 17: turbines back to the major cities.
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Speaker 6: So just think about the economics of that. It's completely insane.
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Speaker 17: Of course, even with the state and federal government subsidies.
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Speaker 6: So no wonder they're falling over.
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Speaker 17: And also I think they're probably falling over because they
41:54
Speaker 17: take five to seven years or so to build. And
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Speaker 17: I think some of these investors would be worrying that
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Speaker 17: public APPEAERU is slowly changing against it zero and who
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Speaker 17: knows what the environment will be like in five years.
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Speaker 17: They're probably worrying that they won't get much money back
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Speaker 17: at all.
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Speaker 2: I did an event this week colleygu Is, a Zoom
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Speaker 2: event for an American Australian association. They said to me,
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Speaker 2: what is the growth area in Australia, And you know,
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Speaker 2: it's a really hard question because.
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Speaker 16: The public services for the because you know, you would.
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Speaker 2: Say, well, the government's putting a lot of money into
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Speaker 2: the renewables industry, but most of it where it imports.
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Speaker 2: The actual equipment is being imported from China.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely it is.
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Speaker 16: And there are interconnectors that are used in all of
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Speaker 16: these renewable projects that are all coming from China. And
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Speaker 16: when I asked the question when it was my shadow
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Speaker 16: portfolio and asked the question of the Department of Climate
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Speaker 16: Change and Energy what discussions they had had with Foreign
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Speaker 16: Affairs and Home Affairs and Defense and Security, and they
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Speaker 16: had had none. And so we really have two arms
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Speaker 16: of government who aren't talking to each other and aren't
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Speaker 16: under standing any national security threat that could be made
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Speaker 16: by this race to renewables and really improper checks and
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Speaker 16: around the equipment that's being used, but particularly how it
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Speaker 16: can be intercepted and manipulated if a state actor wanted to.
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Speaker 2: But also, of course the hypocrisy of this speaker boom Areas.
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Speaker 2: It's not a nation that as for China, a nation
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Speaker 2: that is one of the world's host.
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Speaker 8: I lived in More.
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Speaker 16: They built this big soul of farm out there. They
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Speaker 16: promised all these jobs were going to come with that,
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Speaker 16: and can I tell you there were jobs during the construction,
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Speaker 16: and then as soon as the construction phase was over,
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Speaker 16: off everybody went all.
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Speaker 2: Right, Holly Hughes, Adam Crichton, thank you boy so much.
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Speaker 8: And still to come.
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Speaker 2: How China, Katar and Russia claim Israel is committing a genocide, Well,
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Speaker 2: Elon Levy will call out these lies next. Welcome back
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Speaker 2: and joining me now is farmer, Israeli government spokesman Elon Levy, Elon,
43:58
Speaker 2: great to see you again.
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Speaker 8: So tell us what's happening.
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Speaker 2: Israel is advancing into Gaza City. It's opened up a
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Speaker 2: new humanitarian corridor. What's the plan here?
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Speaker 4: Israel is pushing into Gaza City in order to capture
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Speaker 4: it from the Hamas regime. Israel is saying we can
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Speaker 4: never allow the Hamas terrorist army to launch another October
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Speaker 4: seventh massacre in vade our villages, murder families in their beds,
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Speaker 4: steal little children into Gaza, and so it is pushing
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Speaker 4: to capture that territory from Hamas, and in so doing,
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Speaker 4: it's urging civilians to get out of harm's way. What
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Speaker 4: you have to understand about Gaza is this Hamas has
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Speaker 4: militarized every inch of the city. It has booby trapped buildings,
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Speaker 4: it has a network of tunnels underneath everything with the
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Speaker 4: openings in homes and schools and mosques and hospitals, and
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Speaker 4: that means it is dangerous for civilians and Israel doesn't
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Speaker 4: want them to get hurt. So it's saying go south
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Speaker 4: for your safety, so we can fight hamasked without you
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Speaker 4: in the way, and then we can get rid of
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Speaker 4: that security threat of another October seventh.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about the extreme lengths that Israeli
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Speaker 2: is going to to try and warn civilians, protect civilians,
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Speaker 2: and yet we see the news that a UN commission
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Speaker 2: is claiming that Israel is committing genocide and Gaza accusing
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Speaker 2: the IDF of deliberately targeting civilians, blocking aid and creating
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Speaker 2: life threatening conditions. They say this is designed to destroy
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian population. But again it's the complete opposite. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's so ludicrous that you have as part of the
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Speaker 2: Human Rights Council nations like Qatar, Russia, China with terrible
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Speaker 2: human rights records that are making this accusation against Israel,
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Speaker 2: which goes to such lengths to avoid civilian deaths.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's a proposed for a allegation and it's malicious,
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Speaker 4: and it's a malicious allegation made by the way, one
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Speaker 4: of the rapporteurs has already been condemned by the UN,
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Speaker 4: the US, the EU for antisemitism, So how is he
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Speaker 4: allowed to write such a report against Israel. It claims
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Speaker 4: that Israel is trying to kill as many Palestinians as possible.
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Speaker 4: The opposite is true. Israel is trying to minimize the
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Speaker 4: civilians getting hurt, while Hamas is trying to get them killed.
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Speaker 4: The only way you can reach this outrageous conclusion is
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Speaker 4: if you pretend that Israel is fighting ghosts, and that's
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Speaker 4: exactly what the report, does Sharon, you know when the
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Speaker 4: first mention of Hamas is in this report? It's in
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Speaker 4: paragraph thirty three. Now, how on earth do experts pretend
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Speaker 4: to describe the situation in Gaza while ignoring the thirty
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Speaker 4: thousand strong terrorist army that has booby trapped everything and
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Speaker 4: is fighting from tunnels underneath hospitals. They've twisted reality, They've
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Speaker 4: taken Israeli leaders words out of context, sometimes making them
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Speaker 4: up completely, in order to reach a really malicious accusation.
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Speaker 4: And Shari, here's why it's malicious, because the Hamas terrorist
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Speaker 4: regime in Gaza would gladly slaughter everyone in Israel if
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Speaker 4: given half a chance. And what these UN officials are
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Speaker 4: trying to do is to give Hamas that half chance,
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Speaker 4: and that's not going to happen.
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Speaker 2: Also, just finally want to ask you about Eurovision. Now,
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Speaker 2: this may seem trivial, but to me it's it's emblematic
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Speaker 2: of Europe's attitude towards Israel, now Spain, Netherlands others saying
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Speaker 2: they'll boycott Eurovision if Israel participates during the equivalents with Russia, when,
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Speaker 2: of course Russia invaded Ukraine and Hamas invaded Israel.
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Speaker 6: Shari.
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Speaker 4: Look, I don't think this is a boycott. I think
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Speaker 4: it's an alibi. These countries are jealous. Israel has been
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Speaker 4: in the top five in the Eurovision three years in
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Speaker 4: a row. Ireland hasn't made the final in seven of
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Speaker 4: the last ten Eurovisions. The last time it won was
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Speaker 4: bag in nineteen ninety six. So I think there's a
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Speaker 4: lot of envy going on here trying to eliminate the competition.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, you have countries here that have decided they're
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Speaker 4: taking the side of Hamas. And at the time that
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Speaker 4: Israel is fighting to bring home hostages, twenty of them
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Speaker 4: are still alive. They're being starved, they're being tortured. Her
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Speaker 4: mass is threatening to execute them. At a time we're
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Speaker 4: fighting a barbaric jihadi regime, these countries are trying to
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Speaker 4: exclude Israel from Eurovision. I mean it's crazy. Just look
48:27
Speaker 4: at who Israel sent to Eurovision last time. Uvar Raphael,
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Speaker 4: a survivor of the Nova Music massacre. She hid under
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Speaker 4: dead bodies for eight hours while her mass was trying
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Speaker 4: to hunt her. And instead of standing in solidarity with
48:42
Speaker 4: the victims of that massacre, Spain, Ireland and other jealous
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Speaker 4: countries are trying to exclude Israel in solidarity with the murderers. Really,
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Speaker 4: it's despicable.
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Speaker 6: It is.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, at least US is still a strong ally. And
48:54
Speaker 2: of course we saw the news that the White House
48:57
Speaker 2: that Trump has invited NeDi Yahu to visit once again.
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Speaker 2: Elon Levy, thank you so much for your time. Great
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Speaker 2: to have you on the show. Still to come, Victorian
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Speaker 2: prosecutors considering appealing mushroom murderer Aaron Patterson's sentence.
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Speaker 8: That's after the break.
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Speaker 2: We're standing by for Trump to land at Windsor Castle,
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Speaker 2: so we'll have the images for you in the bottom screen.
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Speaker 2: But in the seconds before you go, the Victorian Public
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Speaker 2: Prosecution's Office is considering an appeal for the mushroom murderer
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Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson's sentence. They want an even tougher sentence. They
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Speaker 2: think thirty three years non parole is too lenient, too lenient.
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Speaker 2: This is despite the fact she'd be eighty two and
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty six before she'd be eligible for parole. All right,
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Speaker 2: that's all for tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 2: And here's poor Murray