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Gorgeous Mom of 3, Michelle Parker, Vanishes After ‘The People’s Court’ Appearance: Arrest · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Mack and I teaming up again to bring you
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  Speaker 2: the latest in a case that we have been investigating
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  Speaker 2: literally for years. Finally, an arrest in the murder of
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  Speaker 2: the so-called People's Court Mom. And I'm talking about Michelle Parker.
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  Speaker 2: Brace yourselves. According to police... The love interest did it.
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  Speaker 2: The ex is charged with murder after he and Michelle
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  Speaker 2: sparred on the People's Court show over her engagement ring.
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  Speaker 2: I have rewatched this episode and rewatched this episode over
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  Speaker 2: and over to see what I could determine, if anything,
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  Speaker 2: from it. Not a lot, but apparently it infuriated her ex.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Mack finally... Of course, her mother is saying, we
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  Speaker 2: all knew he did it, but you can all know
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  Speaker 2: he did it, but there's got to be enough evidence
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  Speaker 2: to prove it in court for official charges. Tell me everything.
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  Speaker 3: Nancy, Dale Smith and Michelle Parker went on the people's
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  Speaker 3: court over the engagement ring. Now, those episodes are taped
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  Speaker 3: far in advance, and it was on the day the
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  Speaker 3: show aired, okay, that The show airs and Michelle Parker
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  Speaker 3: is taking their twins over to Dale Smith's house, right?
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  Speaker 3: That's the last time Michelle Parker is seen alive.
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  Speaker 4: It's the day the episode airs.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait. Dave Mack.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Who, what, where, why, when?
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  Speaker 1: Chronologically.
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  Speaker 2: Look around.
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  Speaker 5: Look around.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you?
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  Speaker 2: You are in a TV. You're not looking around. I
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  Speaker 2: can see you. Look around. You're in a TV studio.
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  Speaker 1: You cannot just say they're.
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  Speaker 2: On people's court about an engagement ring. That's just like
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  Speaker 2: dropping a stink bomb in the middle of the Methodist
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  Speaker 2: circle meeting. Explain what happened.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: Never mind. I'll say it. They go to court over,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a $ 5, 000 engagement ring that he
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  Speaker 2: had given her. So he, cheap, wants the engagement ring back.
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  Speaker 2: So she takes it off and throws it at him
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  Speaker 2: and it's lost forever. So they both agree to have
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  Speaker 2: it litigated on the People's Court show, right?
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Take it from there, Dave Mack, unless you'd like me
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  Speaker 2: to Q & A with myself some more.
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  Speaker 3: Nancy, they go on the People's Court show because this
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  Speaker 3: $ 5, 000 engagement ring that Dale Smith demanded back. Now, you've
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  Speaker 3: got to remember, Michelle Parker and Dale Smith had been
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  Speaker 3: in an on and off again relationship for a number
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  Speaker 3: of years. And She'd had her fill of him pushing
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  Speaker 3: her around. You know, the day of the People's Court taping,
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  Speaker 3: Michelle was done. She didn't want to be on the
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  Speaker 3: show anyway. Dale forced her. She actually walked off the
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  Speaker 3: stage in the middle.
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  Speaker 4: I just can't do it. I'm just I'm not doing it.
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  Speaker 3: Dale Smith forced her back onto the set to finish
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  Speaker 3: the taping of the people's court.
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  Speaker 4: He said, get back up there right now.
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  Speaker 3: This is something that he did in their private life
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  Speaker 3: all the time. And she had her fill. Michelle was
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  Speaker 3: done with him. So it came down to that engagement ring.
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  Speaker 3: Dale wanted it back there at a hotel.
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  Speaker 4: She throws it at him. It goes down nine floors.
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  Speaker 3: So Dale wants the money for it, right? He expects
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  Speaker 3: her to pay for that ring on the people's court.
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  Speaker 3: All of this comes out about the relationship, about the twins.
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  Speaker 3: They have twins together. And the show doesn't air right away.
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  Speaker 4: It airs, you know, after.
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  Speaker 3: And it's on that day that the show aired on
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  Speaker 3: national television. A day of total humiliation for Michelle Parker.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you're becoming incoherent.
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  Speaker 2: Let's put this in a time frame. Okay, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of you, you're the total teacher's
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  Speaker 2: pet on Crime Stories. But Dave, So they fight on
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  Speaker 2: and off. You're right about that. They get engaged. He,
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, obviously doesn't understand etiquette at all and
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  Speaker 2: demands the engagement ring back. She throws it at him.
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  Speaker 2: He should have seen that coming. Then they argue about it.
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  Speaker 2: They agree to go to people's court. She tries to
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  Speaker 2: back out. She doesn't want to do it on TV.
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  Speaker 2: He forces her, according to reports. They do it.
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  Speaker 1: Big brouhaha.
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  Speaker 2: He ends up looking like a horse's ass, technical legal term.
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  Speaker 2: So fast forward, the show gets edited. It airs in
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  Speaker 2: their local area. It airs that day. She brings their
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  Speaker 2: twin boys. He's the bio dad over to see him.
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  Speaker 2: And poof, she's never seen again. And Dave Mack, remember
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  Speaker 2: her vehicle, the big black SUV. And she had like
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  Speaker 2: some kind of a tanning or nail salon, something. A
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  Speaker 2: big decal on the side as advertisement. That vehicle was
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  Speaker 2: found parked way off in a big parking lot, like
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  Speaker 2: a mall or something, with the decals all scratched off.
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  Speaker 2: Now think about it, Dave Mack.
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  Speaker 1: Think, think, thinky.
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  Speaker 2: Dave, who would scratch that off her vehicle besides someone
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  Speaker 2: familiar with her and how she makes a living? Nobody
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  Speaker 2: else would care.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Nancy, that was a big sign to me.
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  Speaker 4: You got traffic cams all the way.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: That Hummer that she was driving with the glow mobile
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  Speaker 3: airbrush tanning, it's seen on with her driving the car
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  Speaker 3: with Michelle Parker driving it to Dale Smith's house to
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  Speaker 3: drop the kids off, right? But when it's seen later on,
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  Speaker 3: a couple hours later, it no longer has the mobile
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  Speaker 3: airbrush tanning decals on it. And it Doesn't appear that
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  Speaker 3: Michelle Parker is driving that vehicle.
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  Speaker 4: That's on a camera on a light.
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  Speaker 3: Then, of course, the car is found in what they're
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  Speaker 3: referring to as an abandoned parking lot.
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  Speaker 4: It was actually in a mall that was pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Much all closed and it was not parked. It was
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  Speaker 3: no place she would ever be, no place she would
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  Speaker 3: regularly go or had been recently. So the car is
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  Speaker 3: found and she's nowhere to be found. Last time she
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  Speaker 3: was seen was on that traffic cam going towards Dale
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  Speaker 3: Smith's house to drop the kids off.
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  Speaker 2: And just in case you want to know this for
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  Speaker 2: the future, according to etiquette, unless the woman breaks off
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  Speaker 2: the engagement unilaterally, etiquette is traditional etiquette dictates she may
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  Speaker 2: keep the ring. So, I mean, when you don't know
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  Speaker 2: a horse, look at his track record. Look how he
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  Speaker 2: carried on at the people's court. I guarantee you he
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  Speaker 2: was the one that caused a problem. So she gets
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  Speaker 2: to keep the engagement ring, according to Ms. Manners right here.
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  Speaker 2: But the judge in people's court made her agree to
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  Speaker 2: pay him $ 2, 500. This is she gives birth to his
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  Speaker 2: twins and she's got to pay him $ 2, 500. I disagree
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  Speaker 2: with all that, but that's neither here nor there. Why
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  Speaker 2: is he arrested now? All this time later, Dave Mack.
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  Speaker 3: Nancy, it has taken all these years because they just
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  Speaker 3: did not have enough to tie him together. But about
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  Speaker 3: 12 months ago, the case got a whole new infusion
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  Speaker 3: of talent, money, and time, and they reinvestigated everything.
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  Speaker 4: And Dale Smith, who was from the very start.
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  Speaker 3: The only possible suspect, Just they narrow focused it in
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  Speaker 3: on Dale Smith. And finally, they were able to tie
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  Speaker 3: everything together where they were able to present it and
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  Speaker 3: bring him in and charge him with second degree murder.
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  Speaker 2: OK, that sounds like a big IDK.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know why now other than they tied up
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  Speaker 2: loose ends? What loose ends? I need evidence, man. Loose
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  Speaker 2: ends won't help me in court. Do we know or
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  Speaker 2: are they keeping it on the down low?
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  Speaker 3: All I read, Nancy, and all I've seen is what
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  Speaker 3: I just told you, that everything they've done is they
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  Speaker 3: had to reinvestigate everything and that they re-interviewed witnesses and
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  Speaker 3: they came back with this. They have not told us
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  Speaker 3: of anything new they found, no new evidence, no DNA,
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  Speaker 3: no nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you one more thing? As I recall,
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  Speaker 2: and I know you remember this, her iPhone was found missing.
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  Speaker 2: by a dive team in a body of water. The
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  Speaker 2: killer disposes of her body, then scrapes off the decal,
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  Speaker 2: hides the car in a big parking lot, and then
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  Speaker 2: goes to a body of water a distance away and
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  Speaker 2: throws her iPhone into the water. No rando is going
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  Speaker 2: to stage the scene. But I agree with you. They've
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  Speaker 2: got to have something more than just those circumstances. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it was triangulation, but something led them
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  Speaker 2: to say, aha, now we have PC probable cause to
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  Speaker 2: make an arrest.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know what?
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  Speaker 3: It's a 46-page indictment, Nancy. And in all this paperwork,
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  Speaker 3: I was pouring through it trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 3: was new.
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  Speaker 4: And you know what it came back with is that the.
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  Speaker 3: Digital information, phones, computers, and devices, electronic devices, they're actually
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  Speaker 3: able to look at them now differently than they could
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  Speaker 3: when this case first started. It's been years, and now
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  Speaker 3: they finally have the ability to open up all of
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  Speaker 3: these different files on the phones and computers that maybe
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  Speaker 3: they couldn't access before. Maybe they couldn't triangulate as quickly
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  Speaker 3: or as good as they do now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're right, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: According to a detective, and I'm reading verbatim, according to
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  Speaker 2: a police detective, Orlando police detective, and they certainly... have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of street experience. There's never a lack of
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  Speaker 2: business in Orlando. Detective Phil McMeekin says, quote, using advancements
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  Speaker 2: in technology, this is what you were saying, Dave, you're right,
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  Speaker 2: especially in our digital forensics and related evidence, electronic devices, phones, computers,
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  Speaker 2: we were better able to interpret the evidence we had.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really hard to argue with digital or forensics
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  Speaker 2: evidence like that. So we'll see what happens now. What
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  Speaker 2: I don't want is if he's guilty, and let's just
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  Speaker 2: let me remind everybody, he's innocent until proven guilty beyond
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  Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt. He is presumed innocent. So We'll see
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  Speaker 2: what happens now. But I don't want, even though it's
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  Speaker 2: been several years, I don't want a cheap plea.
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  Speaker 1: I want a trial.
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  Speaker 2: I want a trial. And if he did this thing,
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  Speaker 2: I want him to get the max.
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  Speaker 1: This is Florida.
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  Speaker 2: They don't play. They're not afraid to use the death penalty.
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  Speaker 2: And if, if, if he's guilty, Dave Mack, he's been
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  Speaker 2: yucking it up at all of us investigating the case
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  Speaker 2: for over a decade.
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: He's had custody of those boys, too, Nancy, the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: There's no telling what he's told them about Michelle Parker.
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  Speaker 2: But what actually happened?
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  Speaker 8: At about 4 p.m., her brother received a short text
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  Speaker 8: from her, but she never showed up for her 6 p.m.
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  Speaker 8: bartending shift. Her iPhone last pinged at a cell phone
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  Speaker 8: tower at 8 p.m., then 10.
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  Speaker 6: Total silence.
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  Speaker 8: At this point, her 11-year-old calls his grandmother, Yvonne Stewart,
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  Speaker 8: to ask, where's mom?
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  Speaker 6: And her son called and said, is mom at the salon?
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  Speaker 9: We're like, no, honey.
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  Speaker 2: She went to drop off the baby. She should be home.
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  Speaker 9: She should be taking a nap.
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  Speaker 10: I haven't seen her since I got home from school.
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  Speaker 8: On Friday, police found her black Hummer near an Orlando
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  Speaker 8: mall she rarely visited. And on Sunday, they searched her
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  Speaker 8: ex-fiance's home at a nearby field.
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  Speaker 6: Has she ever disappeared before?
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  Speaker 8: Has she ever not called or taken a few hours
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  Speaker 8: just to be by herself? Parker's mother, Yvonne Stewart, has
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  Speaker 8: been desperately searching for her daughter for four days now.
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  Speaker 2: I can only imagine what Ms. Stewart has been through
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  Speaker 2: with me. An all-star panel. to break it down and
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  Speaker 2: put it back together again, analyzing clues I believe have
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  Speaker 2: been left behind. You were just hearing our friend Matt
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  Speaker 2: Gutman in ABC News, but joining me right now, John Deal,
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  Speaker 2: personal injury lawyer out of Orlando, who is on Michelle
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  Speaker 2: Parker's family legal team as they try their best to
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  Speaker 2: find clues regarding the young mom's disappearance. Also with me, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the stars, joining us out of
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  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. You can find her at drbethanymarshall.com. She's a
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  Speaker 2: star of a new Netflix show, Bling Empire. The founder
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  Speaker 2: and director of the Cold Case Research Institute, joining me,
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, and you can find her at coldcasecrimes.org. But first,
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  Speaker 2: to Bianca Prieto, former Orlando Sentinel crime and justice reporter
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  Speaker 2: and And you can find her on Insta at Bianca Prieto. Bianca,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I want you to
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  Speaker 2: listen to one more bit of sound. This is from
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Bissrom, Fox 35.
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  Speaker 6: Volunteers spent the day on foot handing out flyers.
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  Speaker 11: Family and close friends walking for miles, checking every corner
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  Speaker 11: for Michelle.
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  Speaker 6: Every dumpster, you're like, oh, Michelle.
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  Speaker 7: I hope you're not in here.
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  Speaker 6: Baby, I hope you're not in here.
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  Speaker 10: And you get up and you crawl on top of
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  Speaker 10: stuff and you look and you're like, okay, this one's eliminated.
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  Speaker 6: You're not here. Brothers Brett and Dustin staying strong for
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  Speaker 6: their sister. Something you're not used to every day. You
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  Speaker 6: don't want to wake up and figure it'll be your
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  Speaker 6: sister you'll be going to look for. It just hurts.
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  Speaker 11: Using maps and driving these ATVs around, they've been turning
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  Speaker 11: everything they find over to investigators.
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  Speaker 6: We found a lot of possible things today and nothing.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's all got to get tested and stuff
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  Speaker 6: like that. So we can't, we can't say what's what.
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  Speaker 2: Can you even imagine that? Just pause for a moment
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  Speaker 2: because I recall the district attorney's office when we would
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  Speaker 2: get literally hundreds of new cases every X number of days,
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  Speaker 2: all felonies, all serious felonies.
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  Speaker 1: You'd have to go through them like a.
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  Speaker 2: Machine to try to keep going and move the caseload.
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  Speaker 2: But if, for instance, when I would be driving home
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  Speaker 2: from work, I would actually let the facts of a
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  Speaker 2: case seep in, and it would be very, very upsetting.
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, you were with me in the trenches fighting crime,
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  Speaker 2: like literally 24-7, 365, and When you hear this family,
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  Speaker 2: the mom saying, oh, oh, as she's searching a dumpster, baby,
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  Speaker 2: please don't be in this dumpster. Please don't be in
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  Speaker 2: this dumpster. It's just, oh.
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  Speaker 5: Gut-wrenching.
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  Speaker 1: That's tough.
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  Speaker 5: It's awful. And, you know, just the idea of where
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  Speaker 5: she's having to search and what she's actually searching for.
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  Speaker 5: You know, her child. And even though she's a grown
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  Speaker 5: woman and had children of her own, that's her baby, right?
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  Speaker 5: And she is literally crawling in a dumpster and praying
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  Speaker 5: she's not there.
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  Speaker 2: Back to Bianca Prieto, formerly Orlando Sentinel criminal and justice reporter. Bianca,
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  Speaker 2: let's start at the beginning. Tell me when we first realized.
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  Speaker 2: She's often called people's court mom, and we're about to
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  Speaker 2: find out why Michelle Parker is missing.
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  Speaker 12: So Michelle never went home after dropping off her twins
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  Speaker 12: with their father. When her son got home from school,
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  Speaker 12: mom was gone. He's going, what the heck? And coincidentally,
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  Speaker 12: that day, Michelle and her ex-fiancé had been on an
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  Speaker 12: episode of the people's court arguing over.
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  Speaker 9: A $ 5, 000 engagement ring.
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  Speaker 2: So... That's an expensive ring. So the alarm is first
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  Speaker 2: raised by the 11-year-old son. She's got the 11-year-old. Then
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  Speaker 2: she's got two taut twins trying to take in the
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  Speaker 2: 11-year-old getting home, and mommy's not there. Can't find mommy.
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  Speaker 2: No message.
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  Speaker 1: No voicemail.
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  Speaker 2: No nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Where is mommy? Who is mommy?
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  Speaker 2: Who is Michelle Parker? Take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 2: at CrimeOnline.com.
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  Speaker 11: Michelle Parker is no stranger to hard work. It's not
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  Speaker 11: easy to juggle multiple jobs and a family. This 33-year-old
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  Speaker 11: beauty is a mom of three, a bartender, an entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 11: and a student. Not only did she pour drinks at
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  Speaker 11: one of the most popular bars in Sanford, Florida, The Barn,
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  Speaker 11: she also ran a tanning business using her SUV as
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  Speaker 11: a mobile billboard. A vehicle wrapped with glow mobile airbrush
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  Speaker 11: tanning salon clearly visible down the side. On top of this,
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  Speaker 11: she was studying cosmetology, working on getting her license to
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  Speaker 11: work alongside her mother in the family salon.
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  Speaker 9: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: She's got her plate full. I can just see her
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  Speaker 2: driving along in that Hummer with glow, mobile, airbrush tinting salon.
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  Speaker 2: wrapped around it, which turns out to be a critical
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  Speaker 2: fact in this case. Let's listen to more from Crime
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  Speaker 2: Online about who is Michelle Parker.
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  Speaker 11: It was that combination, her dark hair and bright white
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  Speaker 11: smile and big heart, that caught the attention of Dale Smith,
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  Speaker 11: a former Marine. The couple plans a life together. Smith
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  Speaker 11: pops the question with a $ 5, 000 engagement ring. The couple
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  Speaker 11: also have three-year-old twins.
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  Speaker 2: $ 5, 000 for an engagement ring? What the hay happened? Take
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  Speaker 2: a listen to HLN.
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  Speaker 13: Michelle Parker is like a lot of women that you
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  Speaker 13: see around here in Orlando. She had these big dreams.
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  Speaker 13: She had these big plans. And she was making steps
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  Speaker 13: to make her dreams come true. Michelle was just a
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  Speaker 13: hardworking single mother of three. She had two jobs. She
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  Speaker 13: was bartending at night. She also had a tanning business,
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  Speaker 13: which she advertised with decals on her armor. She was
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  Speaker 13: also going to cosmetology school. She wanted to make a
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  Speaker 13: better life for herself and also her three kids.
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  Speaker 2: She worked hard.
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  Speaker 6: She loved her kids. She was an awesome mom.
• 18:27
  Speaker 12: Those kids are so well taken care of.
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: If you look at her photos, you can tell the
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: cosmetology was important to her.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: She was always made up. Always had her nails done.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: Always had her hair done right.
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: She was in school to get the license and the
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: certification to one day work for her mother at the salon.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I'm recognizing the voice of Steve Helling from People.com.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: How does she go missing?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: We know the 11-year-old comes home.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: No mommy there.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And that is very, very jarring for children, Dr. Bethany Marshall.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I can only imagine even when their dad picks them
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: up as opposed to me and they pick up line
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: at school, the twins are like, what's going on? The
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: least little thing off routine can be very upsetting for children, Dr.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Bethany.
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: And Nancy, it sticks in their mind. You have no
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: idea how many adult patients in my clinical practice, some
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: of them captains of the industry, very successful lives, will
• 19:22
  Speaker 9: recount in therapy a time that... the parent was late
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: to pick them up for school, a time when they
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: came home and the parent wasn't there. These things stick
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: in the child's mind. That's because, Nancy, the parents serve
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: as a background comforting presence for the child. What makes
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: children feel safe enough to go out into the world
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: is that their parents are waiting for them somewhere, that
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: the parents are predictable.
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: So when.
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: That pattern breaks, it steers into the child's memory.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at Fox News.
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: A search is underway in Florida for a young mother
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: who disappeared the same day that her case.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: Aired on a TV show, The People's Court.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: Her name is Michelle Parker, mother of three, has not
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: been seen since Thursday.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: She and her ex-fiancee appearing on that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: Show in a heated dispute over a $ 5, 000 engagement ring.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: Now, her sister speaking out on Fox and Friends a
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: bit earlier today.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: It's definitely a fact that she went missing.
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: Hey, she's beautiful and did what they do and, you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: figured out where she was at or something.
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: I really don't know.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she is beautiful and more important than being
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: physically beautiful, beautiful on the inside too. I mean, this
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: woman works like a maniac and raises children and goes
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to school. So what is this about the people's court?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to Matt Gutman, ABC.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: This is the defendant. It seemed like a typical episode
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: of the People's Court.
• 21:13
  Speaker 14: He gets pretty malicious and vindictive, and he's a mean person,
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: especially when he's been drinking.
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: 33-year-old Michelle Lee Parker and her ex-fiancé Dale Smith bickering
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: over an engagement ring thrown out of a balcony.
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: And then he said that he wanted his ring.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: So I took it off and.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: I threw it at him.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: But away from the camera, even their mundane domestic arguments
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: tended to turn violent.
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: As he grabbed and turned around, he was holding on
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: to me, screaming at me, pointing back up to the stage, going,
• 21:41
  Speaker 14: get on that back up on stage, you know.
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: Just hours after this episode of The People's Court finally
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: aired last Thursday, Parker vanished.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: But was her disappearance eerily foreshadowed? Or was it an
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: uncanny coincidence?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Thinking this through, so they had tape. Let me go
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to John W. Deal, a renowned PI lawyer joining us
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: out of Orlando who is part of the Parker's legal team.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: You can find him at johnwdeal.com. John, the People's Court
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: episode was filmed... in advance of the day she goes missing,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: but it airs the day she goes missing, right?
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: Correct, correct. And the word coincidence has been bandied about,
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: but it's pretty clear there's no coincidence on this one.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: You know, John Deal, you and I have talked many,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: many times. John not only is a high-profile personal injury lawyer,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: but he has a brilliant legal mind. I've always said
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: there's no coincidence in criminal law, and then right when
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I say that, there is a coincidence. What happened on
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: that episode? Take a listen to our friends at ABC.
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: I ended up smashing my camera on the ground because
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: I was a little angry and.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: I didn't want to. Well, you sure showed that camera.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: Smith is the father of their three-year-old twins.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: It's been a.
• 23:04
  Speaker 14: A hell of a roller coaster ride, and it's poison.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: Something Parker knew for years.
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: In 2009, she filed and was granted a restraining order
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: against Smith. Parker claims he, quote, nashed the passenger side
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: window in my SUV, took car seats out, and threw
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: them into the road. His Facebook page lists his education
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: as having, quote, studied death, destruction, terror, and mayhem at
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: the U.S.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: Marine Corps.
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: But Orlando police say Smith is not a suspect whatsoever.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: that he has so far cooperated with investigators.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: We're not looking at him. We're looking at everything.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Hmm. I don't think the Marine Corps would be very
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: proud of this moment when one of their own says
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: they studied death, destruction, and mayhem.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: You know, Dr.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, of course I have crime-related stories on everything
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: regarding social media.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: But there are also a lot of pictures of the twins,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: of the dog Fat Boy, the cat Cinnamon, Abby and Chloe,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the guinea pigs. Death, destruction, and mayhem is his personal motto?
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: Nancy, death, destruction, and mayhem. If a patient came into
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: my office, uttered those words, I would take them very seriously.
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: I mean, the idea that you want to destroy, that
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: you want to kill people, that is serious. That means
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: that the person putting this on social media is, in fact, homicidal.
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: There's no other way.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: To put it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: People don't say those words.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: For no reason.
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: Dr.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Bethany, Dr. Bethany, I put a lot of death and
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: destruction on social media when I'm trying to solve cases
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: or put them out there or draw attention to them.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going, I don't think I'm homicidal.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you a minute to percolate
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: on that, Dr.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Bethany.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Not that I, a JD, would dare, dare correct Dr.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall. But before we get too far down that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: rabbit hole, take a listen to our friend... Aixa Diaz
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: at Wish 2.
• 25:16
  Speaker 15: Michelle Parker's family is moving the command post to the
• 25:19
  Speaker 15: barn in Sanford, and that's the.
• 25:20
  Speaker 14: Bar where Parker worked as a bartender.
• 25:23
  Speaker 15: Volunteers are resuming their search this morning after searching canals
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: in South Orlando this weekend.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: That's near the home of Parker's ex-fiancee.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Dale Smith.
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: He's staying with his parents right now.
• 25:33
  Speaker 15: He has not been arrested, but he has been named
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: the prime suspect in Parker's disappearance. It has been two
• 25:40
  Speaker 15: and a half weeks now since Parker was last seen.
• 25:42
  Speaker 15: Her loved ones held a fundraiser Saturday night. They sold
• 25:45
  Speaker 15: T-shirts to raise money for Parker's three children.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Straight back out to Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel, a crime
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and justice reporter at the time. Bianca, thank you again
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: for being with us. Let's talk about she goes missing,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: last seen dropping her children off at the fiance's home
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: so she could go to work.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Where was she going to work?
• 26:06
  Speaker 12: That night, Nancy, she was actually headed to work at
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: The Barn, which is a really popular bar up in Sanford,
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: north of Orlando, probably about 20, 25 miles north of
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: where her ex-fiancé lived. And she never showed up.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: So, John W. Deal, let me understand something.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: She was later seen on granny surveillance video, at least
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: her Hummer was. Was it where she was, where her
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Hummer was?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I think it was at a red light.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: Correct.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that in the opposite direction? Let me try to
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: articulate this a little bit better. So let's just say
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: A is where she spotted her car is spotted at
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: red light. B is where fiance is, where she dropped
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the children. C is the barn where she was going
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to work that night.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: So from B to C is a straight shot, but
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: A was in a completely different direction, correct?
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: That's right. And again, her job was well north of town, again,
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: about 20, 25 minutes north. Her vehicle, after she doesn't
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: show up at work, which is out of the ordinary
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: for her, she was very responsible about showing up, her
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: vehicle is seen closer down to where her fiancé' s place
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: is and where her kids were dropped off. And then
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: ultimately where her car is found is not far from
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: that area, which is near the Millennium Mall, which is... again,
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: in the opposite direction of where she was headed and
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: had always headed to and had gone to work. So
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: she's not where she's supposed to be if she's in
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: the car at that time, and there's communication that's broken
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: down in between time, and nobody knows where she is.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Cheryl McCollum, before everybody points the finger
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: at the boyfriend, the fiancé, the father of the twins,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: let's just hold on.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Hold on.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: You can't narrow it down immediately, although you've got to
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: investigate him based on statistics alone. Cheryl, I investigated a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: case out in California where a nurse got off the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: night shift and was in her truck on the way
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: home and went missing. The case goes cold until, believe
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: it or.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Not, a woman, not a psychic, a woman.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: With a regular job has some kind of a vision
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of of a body being out in a canyon. And
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: she's so, nothing like this has ever happened to her before.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: She gets her family to go with her and they
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: go driving through the canyon and they see something white.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It's her in her nurse's outfit.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Well, the police arrest her because, of course, they.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Don't believe in psychics. She won a big settlement against
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the LAPD, I think it was, when the true killers
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: were found. And guess what? She, the nurse, had been
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: at a red light late at night getting off work
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: from the hospital. And these guys drive up. They start
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: saying stuff to her, trying to talk to her. They
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: kidnap her, rape her, and kill her and dump her
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: in the canyon.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: That's what happened.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: So before we charge down the avenue of the fiancé,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: you have to look at everything.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: You do, and if you get a missing purse case, Nancy,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: one of the first things you should do is start
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: working backwards, meaning what did they search on their computer?
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: What kind of withdrawals did they make on their debit
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: card or bank cards? What kind of purchases? What kind
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: of phone calls? What kind of messages? Did they break
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: habit or routine?
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: Those are the.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Things you're going to want to know because if somebody says, well,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: she probably ran off. Well, you need money to do that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: And she dumped her vehicle, so how'd she leave?
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Now, hold on right there.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I'm going to pick it right back up with you,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: but John Deal, why do women always face the same
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: stereotype when a woman goes missing? And Cheryl McCollum's the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: one that brought it up. But it's legitimate. You do
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: have to look at it. But it's always she ran
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: off to get shacked up with her boyfriend. That could
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: not be further from the truth in Michelle Parker's case.
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: Absolutely. I mean, she has obviously it all starts when
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: she's supposed to pick up her son from the bus stop,
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: the 11 year old. And she's not there. Way out
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: of the ordinary. Nobody can actually speak to her. That
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: is totally out of the ordinary. She would not be
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: the type, and there's nothing in her personality to be flighty,
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: to disappear, to not be where she's supposed to be again.
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: She has twins, and you know how much work that takes.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: She's not all of a sudden checking out and disappearing.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: This is absolutely out of character if she were to disappear.
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: And like Smith said, it ends up she doesn't have
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: our car or cell phone. And it would be impossible
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: for her in that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: Situation to have just picked up and left.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Pick up, Cheryl.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: And that was my point. She broke habit. She broke routine.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: And that should be a flag. And the reason you
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: want to look at those things is because when you
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: talk to somebody like her ex, if he were to say, oh,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: I bet she just ran off with some man, you
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: already know that can't be possible.
• 31:03
  Speaker 12: She has no money.
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: She has no vehicle.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: She hasn't researched anything. She hasn't used a bank card.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: She hasn't gotten a hotel room. She hasn't gotten an
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: airline ticket. Why would he say that? So, again, you
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: want all aspects of this thing looked at so that
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: when you go and talk to the pertinent people, you
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: already have a good idea. If somebody says, well, maybe
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: she was kidnapped, she hadn't been ransomed, like none of
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: these things are going to pan out.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Bianca Prieto, I'm very focused on the sighting on that
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: grainy surveillance video of Michelle Parker's vehicle. Was the wrap,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the glow tan wrap, taken off of it at that time?
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: It's really interesting because the last time anybody saw Michelle Parker,
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: that decal was on the back of her vehicle. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: at that red light camera, when they spotted her Hummer,
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: the decals were completely gone. They'd been taken off on purpose.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Bianca, it was pretty big, wasn't it? The decals?
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: Oh, the decals covered the entire back windshield of her vehicle. And,
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: you know, Hummers are pretty big. This was a sizable
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: decal on the back of the car that had been removed.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And what time.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Did the red light cam spot her vehicle?
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: The red light camera spotted it at night. I'm not
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: recalling exactly the time, but I know that it was dark.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And it was the day that she went missing?
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: It was the same day that she went missing, and
• 32:35
  Speaker 12: the red light camera that spotted her vehicle without the
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: decals was on the complete opposite side of town, the
• 32:42
  Speaker 12: opposite direction of where she should have been headed to
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: go to work. but it was in a straight shot
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: from where she had last been seen.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to take all of this in. And
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: what time did she drop the children at the fiance's?
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: She had dropped off the twins in the afternoon. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: think it was like around two o'clock, something like that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: It was in the afternoon during the daytime. No one
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: heard from her. And then all of a sudden.
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: Her car popped up.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: That's correct. She dropped the twins off. And keep in mind,
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: this is before her son is to be picked up
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: at the bus stop. So she dropped the twins off
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: at the fiance's house, doesn't show up to pick up.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: her son, her 11-year-old at the bus stop, he makes
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: the call to Yvonne, her mother, who automatically gets a
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: sense of dread that something is wrong and it's happened.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: And they start trying to reach her at that point
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: in time.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Now, let me understand, John W.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Deal, joining me out of Orlando, she drops the twins off,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: and then is when she's supposed to.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Go pick up her son at the bus stop?
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: That's correct.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: So between, say, 2 o'clock p.m., And when this photo,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: this red light photo, grabs the image of her vehicle,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: that's not her in the vehicle. I don't think that's her.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Do you, John?
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: No, no, I don't. For many reasons. One, why would
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: she take off? Why would she be in that area,
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: first of all, when she's supposed to be at work?
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: There's no reason for her to be down there.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: And picking up her son.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. She hasn't picked up her son. Family has
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: tried to reach her. They've texted her, and there's a
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: cryptic one-word answer because they asked her, where are you?
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: And she texts back Waterford, which is another area of town,
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: not too far, but certainly not up to Sanford. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: she's not the type to just give a one-word text answer.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: And then she would never.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: That's a big indicator, John W.
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: Deal.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought that up. Cheryl McCollum, if
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you notice that when somebody is texting for you, like
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: sometimes I'll be driving and I'll give the phone to
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: John David because Lucy refuses to send a text for me.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: And even if I dictate it, it comes out all crazy.
• 34:57
  Speaker 15: And.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Because he'll type in full sentences, which I never, ever do.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I like to abbreviate everything, which leads to a lot
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: of misspellings and very unusual spell corrections.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But you can tell that's not me.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: You can tell.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Same thing here.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: My kids went and played golf yesterday, and Hug was
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: responding to Caroline's phone for her, and I knew immediately
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: it was him and not her.
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: Immediately.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Immediately. So, yes, you can tell. And her family, she
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: was known, of course, vivacious and fun. She would leave
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: text messages that were paragraphs. So for her just to
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: put one word and then not to return in order
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: to get her child was completely uncharacteristic. And, again, about
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: three flags in one.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl McCollum, you really need to be an
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: investigator and do something like FIND. found the Cold Case
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Research Institute because you're really good.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Is that Dr.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Bethany jumping in?
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: Cheryl is so good. I hate to even follow her
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: in terms of commentary, but I will just say, Nancy,
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: you have the most unique text of anybody I've ever met.
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: Your texts are unmistakable. You can condense an entire paragraph
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: into three alphabet letters and letters of the alphabet. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: think that's because you did a You're doing TV for
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: so many years. You're talking on set. You're texting. You're
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: running the entire show. So nobody could ever steal your
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: phone and text for you. It would be obvious. I'm
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: going to say the back.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's actually because of the district attorney's office, Dr.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Bethany.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: When I first started, I would answer the phone. Good morning,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Fulton County District Attorney's Office. This is Assistant District Attorney
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. By the time I was beat down 10
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: years later, I'd pick the phone up and go.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: DA.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: That's what happens.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: But what do you make of.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: This, Dr.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Bethany?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's very critical.
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: Nancy, well, I'm going to.
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: Say, I'm just going to say the whole big picture,
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: the whole background is important to this. Remember, she was
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: on the people's court that day. I know we're looking
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: at all the micro permutations. The text didn't sound like her.
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: She was the wrong part of town. She didn't pick
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: up the 11-year-old, critical, dropped off the three-year-old, twins, critical.
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: All of this is critical. But let's remember that she
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: was on a television show that day. Very unusual for
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: a layperson who's never been on TV. And that could
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: have built up a whole head of steam somewhere in
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: her life, either on the set, either with her fiance,
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: Dale Smith, people she met on the set, people in
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: the bar who knew she was going. This was a
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: banner event.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Day for her.
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: And we have to just see that as a backdrop
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: to all these wonderful clues that Cheryl McCollum is telling
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: us about, big picture and small picture all at the
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: same time. You know, I will say she's in a
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: toxic relationship. She's in a public setting on a TV show.
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: She works at a bar. The first thing I thought is,
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: You know, when you have a jealous boyfriend and a
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: beautiful woman working at a bar, that's a powder keg
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: right there in and of itself.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Bianca Prieto, I want to follow up on what Cheryl McCollum,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: John Deal, and Bethany Marshall are saying. What happened exactly
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: on the People's Court episode? It's very hard for me
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: to disentangle or separate that appearance that happens and she
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: goes missing the very same day. What exactly happened?
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: The two were engaged, Dale and Michelle were engaged and married.
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: He purchased for her a $ 5, 000 engagement ring. At some point,
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: they got into an argument. She tossed the ring. Now
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: there's a big fight. They go on to the People's Court,
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: and the People's Court made Dale look not so great.
• 39:05
  Speaker 12: And so the taping had actually happened weeks, months prior
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: to her disappearance. But the thing is, is that at
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: noon that day, the People's Court aired their episode. And
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: within hours of that taping, excuse me, within hours of
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: that airing, Michelle had gone, disappeared. We don't know much
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: about it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: What do you mean it made him not look too good?
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: On the people's court, they, uh, and Michelle were arguing,
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: and Dale was upset about the way that he came
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: out looking on it. And I think that that day,
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: it was just not a good day for Dale or
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: for Michelle.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, break it down for me, John W. Dill. What's
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: your perception of what happened on People's Court?
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: Well, certainly it was a bad experience for Michelle to
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: go to People's Court. She didn't even want to be
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: involved in it and had a bad experience on the filming.
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: The way it came out just showed some of the
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: bad blood between the two of them. And like Bianca said,
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: it had been aired that day. Again, a couple hours later.
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: After it's aired, she's over dropping off the children to
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: the fiancé who obviously she is as an extremely– ex-fiancé
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: has an extremely strained relationship with.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask this. John W.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Deal, who won?
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Nancy, let me jump in.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, jump in. Who won?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Who said what? Who came out smelling like a rose
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and who stunk like a skunk?
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to hear.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: The judge basically said y'all are going to split the
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: cost of the ring.
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: Each one of you is going to.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Pay $ 2, 500.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: That sounds fair to me.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: It sounds fair. What came out was that he's a cheater.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: that he's put his hands on her. So again, most
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: men would tell you any man.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Why do you say that? That's putting perfume on the pig.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Put his hands on her.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: What, he tapped her on the shoulder? No, that's not.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Tell the truth.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: But that's the quote she used. He should not have
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: put his hands on me. So I'm just saying that's
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: one of those things that came out that he had
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: been abusive to her physically. So again, for a man,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: any man would tell you in order for you to
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: put your hands on a woman, you're a punk. You're
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: just a piece of crap. So it made him ultimately
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: look bad. People weren't even talking about the ring. They
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: weren't interested in the ring. They were interested in his
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: treatment of her. And you didn't have one affair. You
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: had seven with different women. So he probably had a
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: few other women mad at him. So a lot of
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: dirty laundry was put out there.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait. So what deal?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: He had seven affairs while they were together?
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am. That and several affairs.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Man, who would want to sleep with a guy that's
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: had seven affairs.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: During their relationship? You might as well just go out
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and jump in the cesspool.
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: You can do that. Okay, I don't care about who
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: he's been with or who he dated during their relationship.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I don't care about her throwing the ring when he
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: wanted it back. Sounds like an amicable settlement. Each one
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: pays for half of it. But you know what I
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: always say, when you don't know a horse, look at
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: his track record. I can hear everybody on the panel
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: rolling their eyes, but you tell me if I'm wrong. Tyler,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: please run cut 22. This is Lilia Luciano at today.com.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Cut 22.
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: On September 15th of 2000, Shannon was treated at a
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: South Carolina hospital for head injuries, and Smith was arrested
• 42:32
  Speaker 10: for criminal domestic battery.
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: I remember when she came home, there was a cut
• 42:36
  Speaker 16: on her head, and her feet were cut up. And
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: it was through, I think it was through some concrete
• 42:45
  Speaker 16: where she had been, I don't know if she was
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: dragged or what, but her feet were cut.
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: In a military court, Smith was convicted of domestic battery
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: and drug possession and was dishonorably discharged from the Marines.
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: When Shannon died, Smith was still serving time for both charges.
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: And that was not the first time he had run-ins
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: with the law. In 1992, Smith fled no contest to
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: attempted aggravated battery after a fight in Orlando. He was
• 43:11
  Speaker 10: given two years probation. In 1997, he pleaded guilty to
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: battery charges and served jail time. In 2009, Michelle Parker
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: filed a restraining order against Dale Smith, which a judge
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: later dissolved.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: So we see a track record of the fiance, Dale
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Smith Jr.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Now, let me stress, for the umpteenth time, he.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Has not been arrested in the case of Michelle Parker.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: She is still missing. So he has not been arrested.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: He has not been found guilty. He's not been in
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a court of law on this matter. We're not in
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: a courtroom right now. We're in a TV set.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: To Dr.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, just because he's had acts of violence against
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: another woman does not mean he's culpable in this case.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But it does give me a lot of insight.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: What is a malignant narcissist? You were telling me about
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that earlier off air.
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: A malignant narcissist is a very important term in my field.
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: It means that this is a narcissist who wants to
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: destroy everything around him when he feels humiliated. So if
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: somebody breaks up with him, he wants to destroy her life.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: If you're a boss, a.
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: CEO of a company, and somebody humiliates you, you want
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: to fire them from their job. It's the person, it's
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: like the little kid who's not winning the game, so
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: they just smash all the toys and, you know, walk
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: off the playground. It's the adult version of that. In fact, Nancy,
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: there's a saying in my field about sociopaths and narcissists.
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: Death before dishonor. Homicide after humiliation. And what that means
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: is that they have a narcissistic collapse, meaning they feel
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: ashamed and bad about themselves.
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: They could be.
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: Really vulnerable to suicide. But if they feel that somebody
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: else has humiliated them, they could be vulnerable to lashing
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: out in very destructive, almost even sometimes homicidal ways.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: To Bianca Prieto, former Orlando Sentinel crime and justice reporter. Bianca,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: the cell phone was ultimately found. Where was it, and what,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: if anything, could be gleaned from her cell phone?
• 45:35
  Speaker 12: Michelle's phone, which was really unique, had a unique case
• 45:39
  Speaker 12: on it, was found tossed over a bridge. under about
• 45:43
  Speaker 12: three or four feet of water. And if you're looking
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: at a map of Orlando, it's a straight shot from
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: the area where she was last seen, dropping off the twins,
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: direct shot onto where her car was found. So, drivers
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: recovered that phone and they took a look at it,
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: but it's interesting where the cell phone was actually found.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Why do you say that?
• 46:04
  Speaker 12: It shows a path. It shows a path of where
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: she could, her belongings, I won't say she went, but
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: where her belongings went. From one end of Orlando to
• 46:13
  Speaker 12: the other side. It's just a straight shot. You look
• 46:16
  Speaker 12: at the map and it's a straight shot. Tossed over
• 46:19
  Speaker 12: a bridge into a body of water on the side
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: of town where she was last seen.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: An arrest in the murder of the so-called People's Court mom,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Michelle Parker. According to police, the love interest did it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: We'll wait as justice unfolds. People's Court Mom, Michelle Parker,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: may you rest in peace, finally. Goodbye, friend.