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Set 1: Knicks Fans Are Better Coaches Than Mike Brown (w/ Shawne Merriman) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that.
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex.
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  Speaker 1: The rex was not chasing the jeep. Murray, Murray, you there.
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  Speaker 2: You love sandwiches, Huh, Let's go to eighty.
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  Speaker 3: It was bo.
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  Speaker 1: Wow that Prime Time. Maybe I had a crush on
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  Speaker 1: Betty Rubbell.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went
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  Speaker 2: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black.
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  Speaker 2: He caught them the game last night, although they won
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  Speaker 2: the game.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening just to Gotsen Company.
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  Speaker 2: It is to Godza Company, presented by FanDuel and the
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  Speaker 2: Fandel Sportsbook. Sean Merriman is going to join us in
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  Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Ezy.
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  Speaker 1: I found it funny.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not certain your thoughts on this, but I did
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  Speaker 2: find it funny that Luca, when asked about in a
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  Speaker 2: postgame press conference, asked about the MVP, he said, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think about those things. I'm not thinking about it.
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  Speaker 2: It sure seems like Luca thinks about it an awful lot.
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  Speaker 1: Is he had to be honest.
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  Speaker 4: With you, well, yeah, because he petitioned to get you know,
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  Speaker 4: some sort of override on the sixty five game rule,
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  Speaker 4: and it worked for him and for who was the
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  Speaker 4: other person who worked for Kay Cunningham, Kate Cunningham. That's right,
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  Speaker 4: and so you know it could be him doing that,
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  Speaker 4: it could be his people doing that, but I think
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  Speaker 4: it makes a lot of sense for that to happen. Now,
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  Speaker 4: he wasn't going to win the MVP because he didn't
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  Speaker 4: play right. It wasn't if he played sixty five games
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  Speaker 4: was he going to win the MVP. The trick was
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  Speaker 4: if he had gotten to like sixty nine seventy games
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  Speaker 4: and played the rest of the season, you know, had
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of big scoring outputs, and then probably would
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  Speaker 4: have been considered.
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  Speaker 1: And as it is, he's gonna get fourth place votes.
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  Speaker 4: But what's gonna happen there is he's gonna make All
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  Speaker 4: NBA team. And as a scoring champion, to not make
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  Speaker 4: one of the All NBA team just crazy, Like I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it's ever happened. And so that is all
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  Speaker 4: is right with the NBA statistical world. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: because what people were concerned about to do is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: twenty years from now, we look back and it's like,
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  Speaker 4: wait a second, did Luca play He seemed to lead
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  Speaker 4: the league in scoring? Why wasn't he all these all
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  Speaker 4: NBA teams, It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't represent
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  Speaker 4: that season properly, and so now we can at least
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  Speaker 4: represent the season properly.
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  Speaker 1: Except for one guy, Anthony Edwards.
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  Speaker 4: That way does appeal, and he did not get to
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  Speaker 4: the sixty five game threshold, so he won't be on
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  Speaker 4: any of those teams, which is crazy because I don't
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  Speaker 4: know about you, Stu, but like, Anthony Edwards is the
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  Speaker 4: one sort of lurker at all times that I feel
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  Speaker 4: like can win or lead a team passed in any
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  Speaker 4: playoff series to a win.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's just he's that good.
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  Speaker 4: But he's also that surprising when he decides to turn
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  Speaker 4: it on and when he does, it's just like he
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  Speaker 4: can do it with threes, he can do it with drives,
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  Speaker 4: he can do it with defense, and he seems to
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  Speaker 4: motivate his guys to play super hard around him when
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  Speaker 4: he is turning it on like that. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what the exact detail was. It's why
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  Speaker 4: his circumstance wasn't special enough to get that sort of
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  Speaker 4: waiver if you will.
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  Speaker 1: Into the sixty five game group.
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  Speaker 4: But it's pretty silly for him to not be included
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  Speaker 4: on one of those teams.
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  Speaker 2: Who is the player that has the most amount of
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  Speaker 2: pressure on him in this postseason? Because I would say
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  Speaker 2: it's Jalen Brunson is yeah, wow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the Knicks got him.
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  Speaker 2: He's exceeded expectations they got to the Eastern Conference finals
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  Speaker 2: a year ago. But eventually he's got to be a
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  Speaker 2: guy that can get his team to the NBA Finals.
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  Speaker 1: He has to be well.
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  Speaker 4: I think the narrative around the Knicks was Brunson's doing enough.
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  Speaker 4: He needs the guys around him to pick it up.
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  Speaker 4: He needs Karl Anthony Towns to be better. He needs
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  Speaker 4: perhaps I would say maybe his defense could be better
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  Speaker 4: in Jalen Brunston. But I don't think there are people saying, Brunton,
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  Speaker 4: you got to get us to the finals. I think
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  Speaker 4: it's the folks around him got to get him to
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  Speaker 4: the finals. I think it's Mike Brown has to figure
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  Speaker 4: out a way, you know, the right rotations and things
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  Speaker 4: like that. Who has the most pressure man, That's a
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  Speaker 4: great question, because you know who seems to be putting
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  Speaker 4: more and more pressure run himself is Victor Wembinyama, Right,
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  Speaker 4: But that's more.
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  Speaker 2: Easy just back to just back to Brunstop. Sorry to
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  Speaker 2: cut you off to Brunson for a second. That's a
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  Speaker 2: convenient spot for Brunson to be in where if you
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  Speaker 2: get there, you get all the glory, and if you don't,
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  Speaker 2: it's somebody else's fault. No, you're the best player of
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  Speaker 2: the New York Knicks. Get that team to the NBA Finals.
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  Speaker 2: The fans have been starving for it forever.
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  Speaker 5: Brunson has reached almost untouchable status in New York because.
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  Speaker 1: The team's gonna change that.
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  Speaker 5: The team was irrelevant for so long and then he
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  Speaker 5: comes here and their expectations change. And to Izzy's point,
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  Speaker 5: I think there is more pressure on Karl Anthony Towns
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  Speaker 5: to kind of fit into this Knicks puzzle this postseason
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  Speaker 5: then there is on Jalen Brunson, who Knicks fans have
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  Speaker 5: kind of come to expect that they're gonna get whatever
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  Speaker 5: production they get from Jalen Brunson, and everybody else kind
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  Speaker 5: of has to raise their performance. Like I think mckel
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  Speaker 5: bridges has more pressure on him this postseason than somebody
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  Speaker 5: like Jalen Brunson.
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  Speaker 2: So that's funny, Isy That all comes with expectations, right,
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  Speaker 2: the Knick fans were not expecting this from Jalen Brunson.
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  Speaker 2: They were expecting more from Karl Anthony Town So maybe
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  Speaker 2: that factors into it a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I don't think he is free of pressure.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to say that. You know, he's playing
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  Speaker 4: with house money and can bomb in the playoffs and
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  Speaker 4: nobody would blame him. But so far, if you look
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  Speaker 4: at what he did during the regular season pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: The exact same season as last.
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  Speaker 4: Year, twenty exact and points wise to a t twenty
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  Speaker 4: six points per game. And so if he now does
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  Speaker 4: the same that he did in the playoffs last year,
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  Speaker 4: which is raise his game. You average almost thirty last
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  Speaker 4: year and you know, shot even better from the field.
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  Speaker 4: And so for him, if he falls off of that pace, yes,
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  Speaker 4: you can absolutely blame him. Hey, you didn't do at
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  Speaker 4: least do what you did last year, how do you
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  Speaker 4: expect us to go further? But to say that he
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  Speaker 4: has another gear in him that he needs to average,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, something like thirty five points a game
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  Speaker 4: in order to carry that team. I think that's probably
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  Speaker 4: a little bit too much pressure on him.
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  Speaker 5: Is he over the past like two weeks If you
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  Speaker 5: look at some of the Knicks usage ratings. The Jalen
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  Speaker 5: Brunt say Karl Anthony Towns pick and roll has gone
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  Speaker 5: way up. And there's two sides of that conversation where
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  Speaker 5: it's like, did Mike Brown just not realize that it's
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  Speaker 5: one of the most effective things that this Knicks team has,
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  Speaker 5: or the Knicks were just saving it for the playoffs
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  Speaker 5: and gonna unveil like this high usage rate for the
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  Speaker 5: playoffs and they were just kind of fine tuning it
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  Speaker 5: the last two weeks. Neither of those two sides really
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  Speaker 5: makes too much sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think either of those are the case.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he was holding back because I do
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  Speaker 4: remember them talking about, you know, the two man game
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  Speaker 4: between those two and how simple it's been and how
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  Speaker 4: simply effective it's been. And it feels like a late
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  Speaker 4: season discovery, right. It feels like something where had they
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  Speaker 4: been doing it all season long, maybe teams would have
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  Speaker 4: warmed up to it and figured it out. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think that they were holding back from it. I just
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  Speaker 4: think they sort of discovered, hey, why don't we do
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  Speaker 4: this again? Like it just seems pretty simple. And if
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  Speaker 4: you think about Jalen Brunson, like he does great work
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  Speaker 4: in the ISO, he does great work once he's you know,
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  Speaker 4: in the paint with some footwork and everything else and
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  Speaker 4: getting his shots off. The simple two man game I
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  Speaker 4: don't think is something that has really been explored that
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  Speaker 4: thoroughly with those two And in part, like Karl Anthony
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  Speaker 4: Towns doesn't seem like that you know, classic roller, right,
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  Speaker 4: He's more of a fade to the corner type of guy.
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  Speaker 4: But if he mixes it up and Jalen finds him
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  Speaker 4: in the right spots, like it seems like it's an.
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  Speaker 1: Impossible thing to defend. It's pretty simple.
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  Speaker 2: But so they just they just stumbled into something that worked.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is that really right?
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  Speaker 5: I'm feeling worse about this Knicks playoff run as we're
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  Speaker 5: getting into the playoffs because if they just happened to
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  Speaker 5: stumble into something that worked, terrible is he The guys
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  Speaker 5: in three twelve on the Chase Bridge at Madison Square
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  Speaker 5: Garden all season have been saying, Hey, Jalen Brunson, Karl
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  Speaker 5: Anthony Towns, let's get them involved in the pick and roll.
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  Speaker 5: And then 'st two weeks of the season the coaches
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  Speaker 5: are like, hey, we might have something that works here.
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  Speaker 5: What the fans have been screaming this on tire.
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  Speaker 1: The summer season.
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  Speaker 2: They're paying Mike Brown all this money in the meantime,
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  Speaker 2: some fan from fucking Section three twelve could have figured
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  Speaker 2: this out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no, sometimes you're right.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes you overthink some stuff and when you've got you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're brought into this nicked situation to it's finals or bust.
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  Speaker 4: As a head coach, maybe you overthink things, right, Like,
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  Speaker 4: look at what the Miami Heat did this year. It's
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  Speaker 4: a completely different offense that than what they used to have,
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  Speaker 4: and it was like they barely set any screens. I
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  Speaker 4: was saying, my the whole time, if these guys make
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs, go back to the old offense, shock the
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  Speaker 4: hell out of it out of the other team, set
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  Speaker 4: screens everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you just trip upon.
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  Speaker 4: Something where you're just like, you know what, we've ignored
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  Speaker 4: this for too long. We've been overthinking it. Let's just
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  Speaker 4: go with what works. That couldn't be the case here,
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  Speaker 4: or they could have been super slick. I've been holding
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  Speaker 4: back all season long that I don't believe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, it's not They're not saving it for
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  Speaker 2: the postseason.
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  Speaker 1: The old pick and roll. No, it's not this pick
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  Speaker 1: and then rule. Ah, we've got a great idea here.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, they're pulling out the pick and roll?
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  Speaker 5: Is he in terms of expectations? And this one's tougher
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  Speaker 5: because they're in the playing game tonight. Where do where
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  Speaker 5: NBA fans and the NBA media at with Devin Booker
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  Speaker 5: right now? Because he seems like for what people thought
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  Speaker 5: he would be and what it looked like he was
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  Speaker 5: going to be at one point in his career, we're
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  Speaker 5: pretty far off that. And I don't want to say disappointment,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, since since they had that finals appearance,
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  Speaker 5: he really hasn't done much in Phoenix.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great like that.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what you think, like you think as just
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  Speaker 4: a fan that from a distance, it feels like he
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  Speaker 4: has been largely disappointing since basically that twenty one Finals run.
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  Speaker 5: It felt like he was going to have his moment
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  Speaker 5: as one of the faces of this next generation of
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  Speaker 5: the NBA. And you know, when Bin Yama, Anthony Edwards,
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  Speaker 5: everybody is seemingly passing book where book was at.
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  Speaker 4: I thought this too for a little bit, right, and
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  Speaker 4: then I just go back and I sort of watch
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  Speaker 4: him play a little bit and then go back and
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  Speaker 4: look at his stats, and he has not fallen off,
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  Speaker 4: like his percentages have fallen off a little bit the
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  Speaker 4: last couple of years when there's.
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  Speaker 1: More required of him.
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  Speaker 4: But the thing that I realized about Devin Booker during
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  Speaker 4: the Olympics was that he doesn't need to be to
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  Speaker 4: look at me superstar. He doesn't need to be the
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  Speaker 4: I want to lead the league in scoring superstar, like
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  Speaker 4: he just wants to win. He had been, you know,
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  Speaker 4: miserable early on in his career where he was pretty
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  Speaker 4: much irrelevant and not winning. Then you get Chris Paul
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  Speaker 4: in their winning and you know, he has the Olympic
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  Speaker 4: experience and he plays that sort of key cog role,
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  Speaker 4: utility knife role, and now he's you know, he did
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  Speaker 4: the Kevin Durant thing and it didn't work out, and
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  Speaker 4: he's just kind of plugging along, Like I think he's
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  Speaker 4: just sort of waiting for the next rebuild in Phoenix
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  Speaker 4: to happen and show that he's still in good form,
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  Speaker 4: because yeah, I think he's he's just been doing exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: He's been plugging.
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  Speaker 4: Along, doing his job and not really you know, causing
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  Speaker 4: any fires. And so I think think that from a
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  Speaker 4: distance makes it seem like he's not performing.
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  Speaker 1: But look at his numbers. He's been doing fine, is he?
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  Speaker 2: When I originally asked you that question, the player with
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  Speaker 2: the most amount of pressure headed into the postseason, you
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  Speaker 2: I cut you off. You were headed down a Webbin
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  Speaker 2: Yama path? Where were you headed there?
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  Speaker 4: Well, because the more you listen to analysts discuss who
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  Speaker 4: they think is going to win, the more people you
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  Speaker 4: have saying the Spurs are the favorite.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a scary proposition.
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  Speaker 4: If you're this team where he's an experience, Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it takes one rolled ankle for Victor Webbin Yama and
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  Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, your entire prospects are different.
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  Speaker 4: And so, not only does he have to perform, he's
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  Speaker 4: got to remain healthy, he's got to fight through, you know, fatigue,
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  Speaker 4: he's got to fight through game plans that he probably
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  Speaker 4: hasn't seen before over a seven game series in the
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  Speaker 4: regular season. And so, and he's also accepting any and
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  Speaker 4: all of that pressure and so and he watched some
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  Speaker 4: of it, putting some of it on himself one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that in itself when when the world
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  Speaker 4: wants you to succeed and you haven't done this yet,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's a lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 1: And he's I mean, I wouldn't call him a favorite.
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  Speaker 1: I would call okay See the favorite.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't call him obviously a favorite to get out
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  Speaker 4: of the West because okay See is in the same conference,
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  Speaker 4: but seems to be a lot of pressure on him.
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  Speaker 1: And then I would say second is probably Mike Brown, right.
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  Speaker 2: Not Jalen Brunson, because Brunson, yes, but Mike bro Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Brown has pressure because, as Taylor pointed out, there's
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  Speaker 2: fans in section three twelve, we can coach this team better.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how about that.
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  Speaker 5: I think Josh Hart might have more pressure on him
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  Speaker 5: this this playoffs than Jalen Brunson. Where Josh Hart's a
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  Speaker 5: forty percent three point shooter this season, and if you're
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  Speaker 5: looking at it, you're like, I don't really trust that
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  Speaker 5: you're going to be a forty percent three point shooter
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  Speaker 5: when it actually matters despite what your numbers say.
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  Speaker 4: That's the thing about the Knicks, Like you go up
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  Speaker 4: and down that roster and it's like, Okay, who has
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  Speaker 4: room to improve? Still, who has you know is not
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  Speaker 4: butting their head up against the ceiling of their potential,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't. So it's basically Karl Anthony Towns, right,
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  Speaker 4: because again, how much more can you ask of Jalen Brunson,
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  Speaker 4: How much more can you really ask of og An Andobi?
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  Speaker 4: Michael Bridges maybe, but that's more based on what he
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  Speaker 4: was traded for and not really his NBA resume. So
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  Speaker 4: and Josh Hart absolutely, I mean he's been banging his
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  Speaker 4: head against his ceiling for years now. He's not getting
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  Speaker 4: any better, and so it just it just makes you
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  Speaker 4: wonder how they're going to turn that on. And it's
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  Speaker 4: got to be Carl Anthony Towns, give me more than
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  Speaker 4: twenty points a game.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to be surprised if the Spurs do
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  Speaker 2: it this year. Right, you can't be surprised. He's that talented,
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  Speaker 2: he's that good, that kid.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked, only because I keep looking back
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  Speaker 4: at the the fifteen fourteen to fifteen Warriors that just
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  Speaker 4: shocked the world and won that championship, and nobody saw
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  Speaker 4: that coming except for maybe Ethan Strauss, And I think
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  Speaker 4: it's possible when you have an overwhelming talent like Victor
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  Speaker 4: Wibin Yama and a group that has been really tight
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  Speaker 4: like the Spurs team.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different type of formula, but it's a similar
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  Speaker 1: formula to that Warriors team.
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  Speaker 4: So I think they can do it, but I think
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  Speaker 4: they've just got too many huge hurdles.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, see, he's a huge one. I think Denver is
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  Speaker 4: a huge one. And I just have a feeling he
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  Speaker 4: might make the Western Conference finals, but I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he'll make it all the way to the finals.
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  Speaker 2: But he pulls in the fringe fan right, like he's
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  Speaker 2: giving me when the Knicks get eliminated, I'll still be
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  Speaker 2: intrigued by the NBA playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: Whoa why are you eliminating the Knicks?
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, let me rephrase that, if the Knicks get eliminated,
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  Speaker 2: I'll still be intrigued and interested in the NBA playoffs
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  Speaker 2: as long as Wemby is still involved in the NBA playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: He's giving me reasons to watch past my best team.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: It does, And frankly, I don't think we've hit the
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  Speaker 4: high point in terms of Victor Webbin Yama, like advertisements
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  Speaker 4: getting in your face, like there's still a level of
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  Speaker 4: fan or level of consumer that he hasn't even reached,
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  Speaker 4: and it's going to be wildly intriguing when they do.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, what's up on man? How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well, buddy. So we're a week away from
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: the NFL Draft, and I'm wondering if you remember what
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: it is you were doing a week out of your
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  Speaker 2: NFL draft, the draft that you were taking in. What
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: was it like the week out and then the week
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: leading up to the NFL draft?
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: You know, like when the draft comes around, it's it's
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: probably the best time because all the work is done, right,
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, so as you leave college, you jump right
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: into your workouts, getting ready for combine, getting ready for
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: your interviews, finding the agent. I mean, it's just it's NonStop.
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: And then the week or two before the draft, you're like, oh,
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: I'm chilling right. All my work is done now my
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: name just got to get called and we're all good.
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: So it's it's a bit of like just a celebration
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: from the last week or two before the draft for
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: the players.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: What was the first thing that Sean Merriman purchased once
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: he was drafted to the NFL.
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: A wagon a G five hundred, and I sent it
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: off to West Coast Remember West Coast Customs back when it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Was big there.
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I got that thing all lights out out, man,
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: TVs and everything else.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: So that was it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: That was it, West Coast Customs. That was the MTV show, right,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, do you regret
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it or no? You're good with it?
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: No?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: It was the best.
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, like I grew up in PG
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: Prince George County, Maryland, man, like you know, you started
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: seeing shows on TV, like, Okay, the first thing I'm
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: gona do when I get some money, I am doing
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: that was on this show ring. I didn't give it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: I didn't go damn what that thing looked like. I
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: was like, I'm getting my car done by West Coast cost.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: It turns out, man, they did a really good job.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Sean Real.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think you were ever on any really bad teams,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: were you?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: No?
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Not not right, man, they kind of struggle. You know.
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: When I got to Buffalo my last couple of years,
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: I got I basically got waves and or you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: in people's eyes, traded right, and they wasn't playing that well.
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: But I wasn't on that team. Uh. And then the
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: following year we actually started like five and ohero and
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: then we all got hurt, did everything with one another
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: the bridge.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, So the reason I asked that is because I'm
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: they were down here in South Florida and the Dolphins
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: are going through some transitions. But they've got Devon a
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Chan there, and the GM has says that he's off
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: the table, he's not available for trades. But if I'm
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: a Chan and I'm playing for a team with no expectations,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: and I know they're gonna work me like crazy, Am
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I excited about that because I might get you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: stats and get my money down the road. Or is
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: it just feel like a wasted year where they're just
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: kind of work overworking you.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: It's hard, man, And one of the hardest things to
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: do is to show up the work that every day
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: with a good attitude knowing.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: You got sucked. Right, Yeah, I mean it is.
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: It's tough because the losing attitudes and negativity in the
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: locker room. You know, the coaches don't know if they're
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: going to get fired week to week or year to year.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: It's just it's like a dark cloud. And so to
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: ask somebody, first of all, football is an emotional game,
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: is passionate. You got to have like a good attitude
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: to go out there and run your body into another
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: human band full speed. And so when you walk into
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: a negative situation, you're like, Okay.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: How do I do this?
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: How do I go put my body on the line,
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: knowing that we're not gonna win?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Sean, you played with Philip Rivers, and I'm wondering when
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: he announced that he was coming back to start a
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: couple of games this year, what was your reaction to that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: To be honest, man, I wasn't shocked because I was Whitfield.
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: I was with Field doing that. To know Gas's Hall
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: of Fame induction, I can so me and him, Drew
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: Brees Lt, you know, Gates were all kind of circled
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: up and talking, and you know, Phil was talking in
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: the present tension, right, like a lot of us, you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: we're retired, Like okay, remember this. When this happened in
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: this play, in this game, Phil had just the same animation,
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: the same passion and energy he talks with. It just
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: seemed like he was ready to go out there and play.
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: So I didn't pick up on the conversation until it
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: was announced. Then it made din.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: It made sense.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: Sean.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: It feels like there's a lack of hype around this draft,
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: and I think it's because of the lack of quarterbacks
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: or the lack of high level quarterbacks in the draft.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: How are you looking at this draft as a former
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: defensive guy.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: That's always the case, right, And with the NFL this,
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: and and I wouldn't even say just with.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: The NFL, but fans in general.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: Quarterback like that, that big name, that Keystone quarterback drives everything.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: It drives fans, it drives jerseys, it drive TV revenue.
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: It all starts with the quarterback. So never is not there, right,
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: Whenever it's not there, then everything starts to kind of
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: dwindle down. I mean, that's that's the same reason why
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: the Super Bowl wasn't talked about as much, right because
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: they didn't have a pass from the Holmes. They didn't
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: have a Joe Barrow, they didn't have a Josh Allen,
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: and so everything is driven by.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: The quarterback position.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: But there's some damn good players coming out in this draft.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: And by the way, these some of these guys are
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: going to be future Hall of Famers one day, I think,
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just given. But man, I think there's
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: a turn, there's a tide happening right now where they
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: got to start highlighting some of these other guys. Everything
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: can't be revolved around the quarterback.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Position, Sean.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Speaking of the Chargers, they got ex Miami head coach
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel down there as the offensive coordinator.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I'm a little over there, I shouldn't say down there.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Excited to see it because I really like McDaniel and
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: I like the idea of what he can do with
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Justin Herbert there. How much do you think Justin Herbert
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: still has an in terms of before he hits his
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: ceiling to improve and how much do you think McDaniel
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: can help him out with that?
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: So many and then and then let me tell you,
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: Mike McDaniels was very smart to do this. And you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: you look around and he has some opportunities, some meetings.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: I think he would declined a meeting or two to
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: go when he had an opportunity for a head coaching job.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: You don't want to take a head coaching job. There's
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: going to get you fired in a year or two anyway, right, Like,
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: you just don't want to. And you got an opportunity
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: to go and coach a quarterback, put yourself, put your
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: put your put your name back in the hat after
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: the next season or two, and go to a team
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: and a position that you want this time, right, not
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: that you have to take because because the opportunity is there.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: So I just think he was smart in.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: A way did it. And also like kudos to to to.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: Jim hobback, right because you're letting the big personality come
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: in there and kind of drive things and and Jim
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: Hoball's are a really big personality too, man. So I
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: just think that they put winning between the two and
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: and and set themselves out for the future.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: But justin Herbert has to win now, right, Sean, Like
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: he's run out of excuses you have the head coach,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you have the offensive genius. You have to start winning
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: playoff games, right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, of course that dark cloud is always going
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: to be over rhum until he gets deep in the playoffs. There,
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: minim I'm not just saying win the ring. I'm talking
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: about like at least an AFC championship game. But you
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: also got to remember the two best tackles and football
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: went down last year for the season, that that interior,
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: that that they didn't have anybody at the center position.
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: You're starting running back and your number, your first round
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: draft pick all went down one for the season, the
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: other one for half the season. And so if you
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: started looking at that again, because we all and I'm
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: guilty this too, because I played against some of the
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: best quarterbacks ever, we got to start taking a little
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: bit out of the quarterback's hands. Because if you just
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: if you want to sit back and say, you know what,
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: this team didn't play well because justin Herbert well Man,
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: you lost re Pro bowlers, right, you lost three or
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: four Pro Bowlers on one offense in one year. I mean,
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: that just doesn't happen. So what do you do, right,
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: what do you do as a quarterback? I mean, he
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: got tax. Justin Herbert literally got tax last year because
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: they couldn't block for him. So but yeah, I agree,
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: he has a dark cloud until he gets deep in
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: the playoffs.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: There's another quarterback.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: There's a whole locker room that has this weird dark
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: cloud over and that's in Philadelphia. You've got the AJ
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Brown situation, which you know there GM's saying he's a
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: part of the Eagles, but everybody seems to be expecting
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: him to be moved. What do you make of that,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: because it doesn't seem like they're very often is teams
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: with this much dysfunction that still have success, that has won.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: They should have won two super Bowls the last five years.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I mean yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: But again and while we you know how the damper
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: is really on them, we talk about his dark clouds,
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: but really, because Jalen Hurts, you know, that's that's where
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: it stars.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying you don't.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: Put fingers point fingers at AJ Brown, you don't point
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: fingers that you know, other other positions or even coordinators.
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: But the dark cloud is really around Jalen Hurts and
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: whether he's an elite quarterback or note right, that's where
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: it starts at Now you can kind of trickle down. Okay,
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: let's look at daj brown situation. Is he is he
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: a problem in locker room where he's just you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: there's animosity between him and Jalen Hurts. Can we keep
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: him here and risk running to the same problems again
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: next year? You can start looking at other things, But
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: the real question mark is on Jalen Hurts and is
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: an elite quarterback or nine?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: What do you think? I think he's above average. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: think I don't think he's elite. I think he's above average.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: But again, you know, you give an elite quarterback that roster,
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: they're gonna be right, they're gonna win two or three
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: super Bowls because if you look at both sides of
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: ballin and who they have and what they have from
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: the interior d linemen and pass rushers to dbs to
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: a running back. I mean, you give an elite quarterback
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: that roster, and you got you two or three super
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: bowls within a five year period that you know, you.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Get Patrick Holmes, you give Joe Barrow, you give.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: Any one of the Josh Allen, you give any one.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Of these guys that roster. They got a couple of
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Super Bowls within five years. So yeah, I think he's
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: above average. I don't think he's the league.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Who's the quarterback that Sean Merriman never sacked, never got
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: to that he wishes he had sacked.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Oh man, did you actually miss it?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, they all have one.
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I got them all. I got all the ones
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: that at least that I wanted to get, right, all right,
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: So let me try this.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Let me try it this way.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Which quarterback gave you the most delight when you sacked it?
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Oh? Tom?
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, you guys can't see me, but I'm smiling
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: right now?
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Is it because they were so hell bent on protecting
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: him at all costs because obviously he didn't really move.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, protecting him, but also to man, just the competitive
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: nature of him, and you knew how bad he how
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: much he hated to lose, how much he hated to
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: get hit or to you know, one of my years
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: in Buffalo, I mean we made him, We beat him
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: in Buffalo, he threw four interceptions. I mean that was
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: so gratifying because he's so great, so you know how
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: much he killed him inside to not only lose that game,
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: but it also pro four pigs.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I love it. Sean.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: We were around the water cooler earlier, and my prediction
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: was you were going to say Eli Manning just because
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: he had that whole moment where he spurned San Diego
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: on Draft night.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: No, I didn't have a problem with it. But I
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: did San Diego a favor. You know, I definitely hooked
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: the fans up. I could tell you one thing after
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: we played him. I had a bunch of free drinks
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: that night when I went out after the game.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: So we're happy, all right.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: So, Sean, we appreciate the time.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you here.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you my Mount Rushmore of Maryland
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Sports figures, Okay, University of Maryland where you played. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: want your Mount Rushmore. And then we're gonna ask Ai
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Colin cowhurt. Okay, so I will start. You want to
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: go first?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: You gotta go ahead? Yeah, all right, So I.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Would go my Mount Rushmore of University of Maryland Sports figures.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: When Bias Lefty Drizzle, Scott van Pelt at Dominique.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Dawes, how about that?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Uh? Okay, pretty good? Okay, who do you got? That's good? Yes?
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: I agree with Limbius Number one Yep, I'll go.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I'll go Randy White good one. Yes, I'll go Randy White,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I'll go. Let's go. Uh uh.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: It's the Steve Francis a Wan Dixon on the basketball
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: sid so.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Good's Stevie franchise.
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will go there.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: It's it's tough because I'll go with man Scott Vanpell.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: You know that's.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: A good way. It represents the school pretty well.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, man, I can go there. Yeah all right.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: So on the Fox Sports app there is not Colin
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Cowhard a I Colin Coward.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Who's better at his job than Colin. It's remarkable, It's unbelievable.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Colin's very good at his job. But let's ask Ai
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: colle it and see who he agrees with.
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: Maryland's Mount Rushmore starts with Len Bias. He's the myth,
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: the talent, the what could have been that still hangs
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: over the whole place. Then I'm putting one Dixon up
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: there because he's the face of the modern Golden era.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: E Jay Henderson because he owned college football awards season,
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: and Katie O'Donnell because that field hockey resume is basically
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: video game numbers. That's the four star power, titles and legacy.
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: All right, quick gut check. Are you building yours around
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: basketball greatness or the all sports dominance Maryland's had across
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: the board?
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Wow, no Boomer or sizing on there. I noticed Boomer
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: is a totally fair call.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Even if we were.
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: Doing a football only Marilyn Rushmore, He's on it, no debate.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: The reason I left him off my four is simple.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: I went with the.
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: Guys and gals who feel like the biggest campus legends,
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: not just the best pro resume coming out of college.
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: Boomer's got the ACC title, the records, the National Football
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: League Most Valuable Player.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: He's a monster turp.
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: If you're swapping him in, who are you kicking out
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: e J.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Henderson or one Dixon and Sean.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I understand that you thought Taylor was asking you and
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: he wasn't. You didn't think that Ai Colum could respond
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that quickly, but he did, and so I understand the confusion.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: But the way he says e J.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Henderson is weird.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: Right, yeah, yeah, he emphasized that that was you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: I was thinking EJ.
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: Two.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: I think, I mean, you look, you can make a
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: case that to swap out EJ.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Henderson and Randy White. I mean, you know, j is
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: a BUCkies winner, and yeah, man, I think yeah, he's
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: one of those guys that goes, all.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Right, sorry for being ridiculous with you, but we enjoyed
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: this very much. John. I'd like to do it again.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I'd like to have you a ad here more often, uh,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: if you're willing to. So thank you for doing this, man,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you gotta guys, thanks having me