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‘Tech Tuesday’ with Rich DeMuro | Political Scandals · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handel On Demand from KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 2: AM 640, Bill Handel. It is a Tuesday morning, Taco Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: February 15th. Some of the big stories we're looking at.
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  Speaker 2: Breakfast at Mitch's. Mitch McConnell has come back to the
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  Speaker 2: Senate in a wheelchair. And did he bring his diaper
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  Speaker 2: guy with him?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a guy? I think he does. I think
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  Speaker 3: he does. Diaper Patrol. Why don't you have a guy?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I do, but I'm not the former majority leader
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  Speaker 2: of the Senate, so that's not big news.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got diaper guy money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's move on. Rich DeMuro, it is time
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  Speaker 2: for a tech segment. His website, richontech.tv, host of Rich
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  Speaker 2: on Tech here on KFI, 11 a.m.
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  Speaker 3: To 2 p.m. on Saturdays. And his Instagram, at Rich
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  Speaker 3: on Tech. Good morning, Rich.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning to you, Bill.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, big question that's been on everybody's mind the last
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  Speaker 2: few days, and that is, is I going to kill
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  Speaker 2: us all by the end of the decade?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I sure hope so, so we can be put
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  Speaker 4: out of our misery.
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  Speaker 2: No!
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  Speaker 4: Come on, we're stronger than this. I, you know, this
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  Speaker 4: whole thing bubbled up over the weekend. Basically, one of
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  Speaker 4: the big CEOs of Anthropic or I guess, you know,
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  Speaker 4: one of the big AI companies said, you know, we
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  Speaker 4: should probably slow down all this work we're doing because
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  Speaker 4: we don't know where it's all going and it could
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  Speaker 4: be really bad for humanity. And then OpenAI, Sam Altman,
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  Speaker 4: he chimed in. Then Elon Musk chimed in. They said, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we kind of agree with that as well. We've got
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  Speaker 4: to take this seriously. Then you had this 27-year-old guy
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  Speaker 4: who came in from nowhere and he said, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 4: quitting because I don't believe in any of this anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Another guy chimes in on X and says, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a 10% chance this could kill all
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  Speaker 4: of humanity in the next whatever. And then the whole
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  Speaker 4: thing just blew up. And everyone has an opinion on this.
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  Speaker 4: President Trump got in on it yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, it's all a hoax. He loves that word.
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  Speaker 4: He called it a hoax. The NVIDIA CEO, Jensen Wong, who,
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  Speaker 4: you know, stands probably to benefit the most, arguably, about
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  Speaker 4: all this AI development because their stock has been on fire.
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  Speaker 4: He came in and said, you know, look, we're not
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  Speaker 4: going to let the robots, you know, we're not going
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  Speaker 4: to let this take over. So China will obviously get
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  Speaker 4: ahead of us if we do. So this is the debate.
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  Speaker 4: It's become a debate in the elections. It's become the
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  Speaker 4: water cooler talk among people. But here's the bottom line.
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  Speaker 4: To me, look, I think that we don't know what's
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  Speaker 4: going to happen with AI. We do know there's been
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  Speaker 4: some incredible improvements in the world because of AI when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to research and people doing things faster and productivity.
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  Speaker 4: But there's also been downsides. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: no matter what we've had in humanity over time, technological developments,
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  Speaker 4: they have all had something good and something bad. But
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, we have adapted as humans.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what's going to happen here. But
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  Speaker 4: if I'm wrong, we're all dead and we won't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know if we're all dead, I think that
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  Speaker 2: is hyperbole. But changing things to our detriment and one
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  Speaker 2: of the traits or one of the issues of– of
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  Speaker 2: AI and all the big honchos are saying the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And that is AI is, uh, increasing and developing far
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  Speaker 2: faster than they even imagined. Uh, and, uh, and as
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  Speaker 2: far as, uh, what your, your, your position is, uh,
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  Speaker 2: And that is, I mean, is it the extrapolation of
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  Speaker 2: they're going to kill us?
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  Speaker 3: But look at what AI has done.
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  Speaker 2: They were able, without human intervention, to hack into a
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  Speaker 2: security program without being asked to do that. And all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden you go, whoa, if they're able to
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  Speaker 2: do that, why do they even want to do that?
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  Speaker 3: Why would that AI program even want to do that?
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you why they want to do it. Why
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  Speaker 4: do they want to do it? So they can sell
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  Speaker 4: you protection against this. I mean, that's really there are
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  Speaker 4: so many sides of all this and all these stories
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  Speaker 4: about these AIs being too powerful and hacking. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of it, I believe, is to promote more AI.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we need to do this because look what
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  Speaker 4: it's doing already. You know, people some people want regulations.
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  Speaker 4: Other people don't. Some people want, you know, to slow down.
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  Speaker 4: Other people don't, you know, some of these big companies
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  Speaker 4: might like a slowdown because guess what? That's going to
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  Speaker 4: be tougher for smaller companies to get in on this.
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  Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot to this story that
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  Speaker 4: is not necessarily like apparent to the, to the, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just when you're looking at it on the surface, it
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  Speaker 4: all sounds very scary, but every single person involved in
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  Speaker 4: this debate has some sort of skin in the game,
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  Speaker 4: you know, whether it's president Trump, whether it's NVIDIA, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's the CEOs of OpenAI or Anthropic who are about
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  Speaker 4: to IPO to billions upon billions of dollars. Everyone has
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  Speaker 4: an angle here. And I think for the average person,
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  Speaker 4: it sounds very scary. And we're all trying to figure out, well,
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  Speaker 4: hold on. I don't want to die from AI. But
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  Speaker 4: at the same time, it's helping me write my email.
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  Speaker 4: So can we have someone in the middle here?
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  Speaker 2: Let me throw the question at you because you said
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  Speaker 2: something that is pretty profound, that all of this is
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  Speaker 2: to sell AI. So the only way I can see
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  Speaker 2: that the program that hacked into, that did the hacking,
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  Speaker 2: the AI program that did the hacking, must have been
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  Speaker 2: told by some programmer, we want you to hack and
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  Speaker 2: you figure out a way to do it. As opposed
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  Speaker 2: to it doing it on its own without any human
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  Speaker 2: intervention in terms of what it wants to do.
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  Speaker 4: So far, I don't think I've heard a story where
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  Speaker 4: AI has just gone out and hacked. All of the
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  Speaker 4: stories I've heard are they have been testing their frontier models.
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  Speaker 4: They've been telling it, here's what we want you to do. Now,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes it's gone and done stuff around what they thought
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  Speaker 4: it would do, but it's all been in typically controlled settings.
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  Speaker 4: They're not saying, hey, we're going to just release this
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  Speaker 4: to the government computers and see what it can do,
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  Speaker 4: see if it's going to launch some nukes. No, they're
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  Speaker 4: not doing that. Now, could that happen in the future? Potentially. That's,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, a bigger question.
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  Speaker 3: OK, fair enough. A lot of politics involved in there.
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  Speaker 2: But the technology, I think you've done a good job
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  Speaker 2: of explaining it, that while it hacked its program without
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  Speaker 2: basically without human intervention on the actual hacking, it was
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  Speaker 2: told to do that and said, then you figure out
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  Speaker 2: a way to do it, which is that's complete control.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. I really don't.
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  Speaker 3: But all right. Fair enough. All hail rich.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All hail rich.
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  Speaker 4: The debate's not over. I'm just trying to give food
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  Speaker 4: for thought about all this stuff. I mean, look, you've
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  Speaker 4: got to follow the money with anything, and I think
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of money at stake here and also
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  Speaker 4: a lot of competition between– you know, China and the
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  Speaker 4: U S you know, that's why Trump is getting involved,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and there's politics and there's just so much here.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: Because China is moving at an unbelievable, unbelievable pace and
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  Speaker 2: it's unbridled with China.
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  Speaker 3: No one in China is saying, well, let's look at it. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Rich last week, we talked about Apple's first foldable iPhone,
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  Speaker 2: big change in Apple phones. I mean, probably since the
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  Speaker 2: day they opened up or they were sold. And you
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  Speaker 2: got hold of one. And it's $ 2, 000. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: starting at $ 2, 000. Your thoughts and what you saw in it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, this is a big change, a big shift.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen foldables from other companies. I think that Apple
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  Speaker 4: nailed the first foldable. Obviously, it's not going to be perfect.
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  Speaker 4: It's the first generation of this. But they addressed a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the pain points that we've seen with the
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  Speaker 4: Samsung foldables and the Google foldables. You can't get any
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  Speaker 4: of the Chinese foldables here in China. They're huge. You
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  Speaker 4: just can't really buy a lot of them here. So
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  Speaker 4: I think what Apple did was the combination of software
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  Speaker 4: and hardware really works well. So if you look at
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  Speaker 4: this device, it's kind of like a bigger, bulkier kind
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  Speaker 4: of passport style design, but it's got the outside screen.
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  Speaker 4: You open it up to the inside screen and it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of like an iPad mini that folds up in
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  Speaker 4: your pocket. Everyone wants to know, can you see the crease?
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  Speaker 4: They put this like nano texture on the screen that
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  Speaker 4: kind of refracts the light. So no, there's not much
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  Speaker 4: of a crease. They also are building in Apple pencil support,
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  Speaker 4: which is huge because you can actually write on this
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  Speaker 4: thing like a notebook. They put in MagSafe, which is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you can magnetically attach accessories to the back,
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  Speaker 4: which is also a big thing that so far Samsung
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  Speaker 4: has not done. But again, and the software, the software,
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  Speaker 4: they just really did a good job on making iOS
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  Speaker 4: fit this new screen and But also a lot of
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  Speaker 4: the apps are going to have support for this device
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  Speaker 4: day one, which is something we definitely have not seen
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  Speaker 4: on the Android side. Apps seven years in still look
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  Speaker 4: like they're just stretched to the screen. So for all
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  Speaker 4: those reasons, I think that a lot of regular people
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  Speaker 4: who say, hmm, I travel a lot. I kind of
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  Speaker 4: like having a little iPad. I don't mind having this
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  Speaker 4: bulkier iPhone. I will get this thing. Even though it's $ 2, 000,
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  Speaker 4: I believe they will sell out of this no problem.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned China and how advanced the Chinese phones are.
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  Speaker 2: Compare this with the best of the Chinese phones.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think the best Chinese foldable phones have a
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  Speaker 4: better camera system. They are thinner. They have a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the same features hardware-wise, but they're just a little
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  Speaker 4: bit thinner and again, I think, a better camera system.
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  Speaker 4: But it's Apple. And I think people who are getting
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  Speaker 4: this are not obsessed with the camera. You can't be
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  Speaker 4: because it doesn't have Apple's best camera system. But you're
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  Speaker 4: in that Apple ecosystem. And I think the advantage that Apple...
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  Speaker 4: has over any of the Chinese manufacturers is really the
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  Speaker 4: software because those all run Android or even a forked
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  Speaker 4: version of Android, which is not as good because they
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  Speaker 4: may not allow Google Play on some of them out there. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, having the iOS software on this thing is
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  Speaker 4: a huge advantage for Apple because they The software is
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  Speaker 4: just so polished and there's so many great apps available
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  Speaker 4: that are just going to immediately see this and say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to make our app work for this bigger screen.
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  Speaker 4: And so we're going to unlock new functionalities, new features
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  Speaker 4: that we just weren't able to do on a standard
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  Speaker 4: iPhone screen. So I believe this will sell out. I
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  Speaker 4: really do. And I think that it will finally make
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  Speaker 4: foldables something that the average person says, okay, I may
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  Speaker 4: get that because I like the idea of having bigger
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  Speaker 4: phone a bigger screen in my pocket at all times
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  Speaker 4: because you know travel or work or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Now the history of Apple I want to go back
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  Speaker 2: for a moment and that is there were there were
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  Speaker 2: cell phones around for a long time Apple came out
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they created the international worldwide
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  Speaker 2: need and want for iPhones I mean they obviously for
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  Speaker 2: phones I mean they just change everything around do you.
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  Speaker 3: See that happening here too with foldables with Apple Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Because just what you said, Apple likes to watch. They
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  Speaker 4: like to see what people are doing and they really
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  Speaker 4: do things that are more consumer focused. Whereas if you
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  Speaker 4: look at the history of Android and smartphones, you know,
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  Speaker 4: all these models before, you know, BlackBerry was great. People
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  Speaker 4: really liked BlackBerry. But a lot of times the interest
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  Speaker 4: was not necessarily in what was best for the consumer.
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  Speaker 4: Like if you remember when the iPhone launched, it was
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  Speaker 4: only available on AT & T because AT & T
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  Speaker 4: was the only carrier crazy enough to say, Apple, you
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  Speaker 4: do whatever you want with your software. We don't have
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  Speaker 4: any skin in the game when it comes to our software.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas every phone before that, the carrier had such a
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  Speaker 4: big input on what that phone would do, what its
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  Speaker 4: limitations were, the software. And it was a terrible experience
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  Speaker 4: for people. until the iphone came out and they said
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  Speaker 4: wait there's no bloatware there this just works the way
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  Speaker 4: i want it to work oh my gosh that's amazing
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  Speaker 4: and android is sort of catching up to that but
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  Speaker 4: it's taken many many years.
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  Speaker 2: Okay rich uh thank you we can go on forever
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  Speaker 2: on that one and i'm assuming you're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: a lot about this on your saturday show and we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk again uh next uh wednesday uh have a good
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  Speaker 2: one thank you all right uh neil uh a quick
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  Speaker 2: Okay, moving on. I can go on for a very
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  Speaker 2: long time with that. Now, I have a statement to
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  Speaker 2: make and a question and an observation, and that is
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  Speaker 2: political scandals. are no longer scandals, or if they are scandals,
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  Speaker 2: they don't hurt these politicians anymore. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go even further and say that a
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  Speaker 2: scandal helps a politician today. And you go, why is that? Well,
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  Speaker 2: political scandal was a big issue. If a politician got
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  Speaker 2: caught up in a scandal, whether it was the accusation
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  Speaker 2: of a monetary issue or a sexual issue or a
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  Speaker 2: previous statement of racism, for example, coming up or associating
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  Speaker 2: with the wrong people, that all hurt big time.
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  Speaker 3: Today, it helps. It helps.
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  Speaker 2: For example, Max Miller, a Republican congressman accused by his
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  Speaker 2: wife of physically assaulting her and their daughter, who's a toddler,
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  Speaker 2: Ken Paxton, Oh man, he's got some issues. The Texas
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  Speaker 2: Attorney General and Republican candidate for Senate, previously indicted on
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  Speaker 2: felony charges of securities fraud, impeached for a list, including bribery,
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  Speaker 2: dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice, abuse of public trust. Now,
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  Speaker 2: when you have Paxton, there's the other side of that
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  Speaker 2: coin too, because he was not He was acquitted in.
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  Speaker 3: Texas.
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  Speaker 2: And as far as the criminal charges are concerned, he
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  Speaker 2: settled out before any trial. So you take it from there.
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  Speaker 2: But then you have Graham Plattner, Democrat, Senate in Maine,
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  Speaker 2: months of escalating series of accusations of past misconduct. A
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  Speaker 2: former girlfriend coming forward to say he raped her several
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  Speaker 2: years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, all have denied the allegations. Of course they did.
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  Speaker 2: And of all of them, and those are just a number,
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  Speaker 2: only Plattner stands out because he's the only one who's
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  Speaker 2: actually suffered political consequences and abandoned his campaign. And here's
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line. Scandals are still scandals. They've just not
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  Speaker 2: only lost their power, they have turned around and have
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  Speaker 2: become political ammunition in favor of whatever politician is accused
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  Speaker 2: of a scandal. And by the way, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: be talking about studies that have looked at this. This
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  Speaker 2: is not just anecdotal stuff. It's just not my personal opinion,
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  Speaker 2: although I throw a lot of those in. These are
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  Speaker 2: studies that have been conducted as a result of looking
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  Speaker 2: at this issue. In 2015, Ezra Klein, who is an
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  Speaker 2: expert on all this, called Donald Trump's shamelessness his superpower
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  Speaker 2: because he wouldn't give an inch.
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  Speaker 3: Not an inch.
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  Speaker 2: And Trump has been accused of scandal after scandal after scandal.
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  Speaker 2: He's accused of taking the White House and it become
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  Speaker 2: his personal piggy bank.
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  Speaker 3: Would that be scandalous any other time? You betcha.
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  Speaker 2: How about all of the womanizing that he did? How
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  Speaker 2: about twice he was impeached and convicted?
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  Speaker 3: It's good news for him. And he wouldn't give an inch.
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  Speaker 3: He says, nope, not at all. They're all liars. It's
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  Speaker 3: all a hoax.
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  Speaker 2: Now, he has not yet tested his theory that he
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  Speaker 2: could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot
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  Speaker 2: somebody without losing any voters. Although, you know what? I
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  Speaker 2: have to tell you, this is kind of crazy. It
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  Speaker 2: really is, except that it's not. And there is plenty
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  Speaker 2: of ink. I mean, there are plenty of stories have
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  Speaker 2: been written about and broadcast on the subject of shamelessness.
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  Speaker 2: Just double down and say, nope, couldn't care less. Don't
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  Speaker 2: say don't care what you say to me, except I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you why I care. This is not only during
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  Speaker 2: the Trump era in America. This is a global phenomenon.
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  Speaker 2: The whole world is moving in this direction.
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  Speaker 3: And a story that just broke. God, I love these stories.
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  Speaker 2: Ilhan Omar, who is the representative, Democrat representative from Minneapolis,
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  Speaker 2: basically the fifth district in Minnesota. The federal government has
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  Speaker 2: just opened up an investigation and they're investigating whether she
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  Speaker 2: married her brother. for the purposes of getting him into
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  Speaker 2: the country. And sure, why not? Now, she's been married
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  Speaker 2: twice to not her brother, but, you know, why not?
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  Speaker 3: Why don't you just do a DNA test? It's a symbol.
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  Speaker 3: Why doesn't she just go take the DNA, take his? Yeah,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean— That would shut it up.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't, because even if they weren't married, he
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: could theoretically be the father of her children. The argument
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: is not they had children together. The argument is they
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: were married for the purposes of a fraudulent application for immigration.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just— it' s insane.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: But then that goes back to the topic that I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: want to finish up, and that is any scandal today—
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: that a politician is accused of helps the politician.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: And why?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about surveys and studies that have done,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and this is international, by the way, it's not just
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the United States. It's because the polarization is so great,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and I can talk about it in this country, it's
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: happening in Italy, it's happening, I mean, all over the world.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: But here, the polarization is so great that If there
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: is a scandal on the other side of the coin,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: other side of the political spectrum.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: You tend to believe it no matter what.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: And even if it hurts the other side in any way,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: any crazy allegation flies. Case in point, the rigged election. Now,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: there hasn't been one shred of truth about the election
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: being rigged.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Not one.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: 63 cases or 63 judges, not one judge has ever agreed.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Twice the Supreme Court, yet guess what? You take a
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: survey of Republicans, the majority will say the election was rigged.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Now when people lose elections, it's rigged. There's only such
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: thing as a democracy when one party wins the election,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: especially in the case of Republicans in this country. There
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: is no such thing as a democratic election if a
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Democrat wins.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: It's a new playbook.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Now, usually news of a scandal, scandalous wrongdoing creates outrage
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: among voters, which then the opposition tries to weaponize the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: scandal to win an advantage. And that's the issue, the weaponization. Now,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: it used to be there was weaponization. If the other side,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: if there was a scandal, believe me, the TV commercials
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: brought it up from the opposing party. But now it's
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: gotten to the point where not only does the opposing party, the,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the politician accused of a scandal, not only is the denial,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of course they are none of that happened, not true.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It didn't happen, but also I am targeted. It's a
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: witch hunt. They're going after me for political purposes, not
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: because I did anything wrong. Cause they're making that up.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: It's a hoax.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It's so I lose the election. It's so they win
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the election. And that has to do with the distance
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: between left and right. And their studies found the political
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: beliefs are becoming the basis for complete personal identity. I mean,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: you are a Republican or a Democrat. You're a Republican
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the way you dress. You're a Republican where you eat.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You're a Democrat. You're not going to go to Chick-fil-A
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: because Chick-fil-A owners are very Christian, very Catholic. It's all
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: political identity is what it is. American flags. You know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: if you see an American flag at a house, it
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: used to.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Be, okay, that's a patriot.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: That is someone who really believes in America. Today, you
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: see an American flag flying in front of a house.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: That's a Trump supporter.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Shame on liberals for giving it up then. You should
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: not give up the flag to anybody, any religion.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And I don't know whether they've given up the flag
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: or not. It's just what's happened. Because I'll tell you,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: if they fight on the other side, they are deemed traitors.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: If you do not agree with me, you are a traitor.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And that is, that's where we've come to. So the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: argument here is a scandal that, is a bigger argument
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: for the weaponization of the system, the DOJ, for example.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: What does the president say about the DOJ, which has
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: been accused of, let's go after political targets? Case in point,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: James Comey. former FBI director who was, uh, indicted, uh,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: because he, uh, posted a picture of seashells that he found, uh,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: on the beach that said 86, 47 and C, uh,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and she's in seashell. She sold seashells by the seashore.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And that was a threat to the president of the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: United States. Now you can say all day long, I
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: wish the president were dead.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Uh, That is allowed.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: That's First Amendment. You can't threaten, but you can say,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I wish the president were dead. Now, you get a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: visit from the Secret Service, to be sure, but that's
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: free speech. But taking a picture of seashells, not in
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: any threat, just for 86-47, that's a threat. And why?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Because it's all been weaponized. It's all been weaponized.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And the president is doing– the administration is doing what
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: it does because of the weaponization of Joe Biden in
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: his Justice Department. Everything, everything is now completely polarized and scandals–
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: scandals are a good thing.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Hey, let's start a scandal.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I should.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: You and I are lovers. Let's push that one out.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: And we have a child together. And I don't know
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: how that happened, but it doesn't matter. We have a
• 24:08
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