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Random Heathen Ramblings: S6, EP11 - A Journey Of Healing With Plant Medicine In Ecuador [feat. Beaver Emmer] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  ado, we're going to go ahead and bring on my guest here for this
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  week, a return guest. Also, his name goes by Beaver
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  around the community or in in his circles.
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  So the Beaver has been on the show before.
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  I believe it was a season or two ago.
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  We talked about, you know, the aspects of healing and and
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  things that that pertain to, you know, the the music of high lung
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  specifically. I know because Beaver was came
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  to me kind of through another mutual friend of ours, Patrick
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  Walsh. You all know him from the
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  Highland Mental Spiritual Health group on Facebook.
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  And so Beaver recently was able to participate in a very special
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  and interesting plant medicine retreat down in Ecuador.
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  And he had talked or alluded about it in the last time that
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  he was on the show and he reached back out to me, wanted
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  to talk a bit about this experience.
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  So let's go ahead and just bring him on the show here.
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  Now, again, we got Beaver coming from places unknown.
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  I'm not exactly sure where you are at Beaver, but thanks for
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  being here. And yeah, welcome back to
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  welcome back to the show, man. Thanks for wanting to come and
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  talk about your experience. All right, everybody, we are
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  going to be doing doing things just a little bit differently
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  here for you all today. We were having some.
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  Technical issues on the other software.
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  So this is going to be how we're doing this interview this week.
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  So here went to here in the studio today.
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  You're here with me today is a return guest.
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  His name is Beaver. As I mentioned kind of in the in
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  the intro here. And Beaver's going to be again,
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  talking with us a bit about a healing experience, an
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  experience involving plant medicine where he went to
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  Ecuador and got a chance to be introduced, I guess.
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  Was this your first time being introduced to this plant
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  medicine fever? Yeah.
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  So introduced and and and kind of exposed to the these types of
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  things. So Beaver, welcome back to the
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  show, man. Thanks for being here.
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  Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm excited to hear about this.
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  I'm a big advocate, you know, of, of plant medicine when we
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  talk about things like this, there's, there's even still even
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  to this day, you know, like a bit of a misunderstanding or
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  maybe ignorance or stigma attached to these types of
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  things. But for the, for the sake of,
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  you know, transparency and awareness when we're talking
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  about plant medicine, what are some of the things that that
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  your journey in plant medicine has involved up to this point?
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  As far as what I've done so far. Right, right.
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  Yeah, as many little bit of weed and it was mid last year I tried
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  the five MEODMT. OK, wow.
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  Yeah, the weeds, not so much, but yeah, the DMT, that could be
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  some heavy duty stuff, but that's not nothing like that was
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  what was like this this experience that you had going to
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  to Ecuador and being introduced to this type of plant medicine
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  down there, right. Yeah, it was completely
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  different. OK, so.
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  Let's just talk about, let's just go right into it.
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  How did you end up getting, how did you find out about this,
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  this opportunity to, to, to go down there to, to Ecuador and be
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  a part of this? How did that start for you?
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  I think I was starting to talk about it on the other podcast.
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  It was when I was in Colorado. For how long?
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  I had the one-on-one blue shook session with Nicholas Shipper
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  and at the end he was starting to tell me about the retreat
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  that he was putting on and that it would be a possibility of me
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  getting in for that. Because he does have a screening
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  process for who is able to come and what not, and a lot of it is
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  with your gut health. Because ayahuasca can be little
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  hush on the garden. Yeah, so for the for, for people
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  maybe that don't know this, this journey that you went on was a
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  little journey. I mean, you had to fly out of
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  the country down to Ecuador and Ayahuasca was they called him I
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  think mother Ayahuasca. It's an indigenous medicine,
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  right? It's it's, it's very specific to
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  a native culture from that part of the world.
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  Yep, they've been had a Taita come in and his brother for
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  that. They also had a medicine woman
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  down there. She was with us a lot longer
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  than the Taita, but they are from the Cofan tribe that's a
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  little farther north than Ecuador.
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  And actually follow the Taita's brother on Instagram now.
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  He makes videos and stuff and that helps bring awareness
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  because they're trying to fight for the homeland and that right
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  now too. Hold on what little they have
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  left. So your, your journey to Ecuador
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  kind of started with a meeting or, or, or a workshop that
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  Nicholas shipper of high lung was doing here in the States
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  right out of Colorado high lung ritual couple years back, right?
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  Or last year, or maybe I forget when it was, but.
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  Yeah, would have been last year, last year, OK.
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  So one of their last, it's one of their last appearances in the
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  States. Was that Red Rocks in Colorado?
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  Was that, is that, is that the place that you talked to,
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  shipper? Yeah, we met kind of more by the
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  Denver area. He was trying to find a quiet
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  enough place and something to also incorporate all the
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  elements. You have been right next to a
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  river. Yeah, we did a copy session
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  there and. Yeah.
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  Really stuff and talk about some things and like I said at the
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  end he was telling me about the retreat and as soon as I see
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  that he posted it, I signed up for it.
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  Wow, So this was kind of an Invitational thing, right?
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  Would you say this wasn't something that was just like,
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  hey, anybody and everybody can just hop on a plane, show up and
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  and get their medicine Like this was this was very elite or, or
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  special, I think from the sounds of it.
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  Would you say that's accurate? Yeah, there's an application
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  process you have to go through, and he would follow him on
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  Instagram. Now he starts releasing it to a
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  certain group of people. Then as time goes on, he'll
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  broaden that. Well, interesting.
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  So is, is, is, is the, is the whole thing pretty much his
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  project or is he just a part of the, the, the, the, the ceremony
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  or the retreat? And, and, and I guess I would
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  ask like, is it a retreat? So do you go away for X amount
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  of days or weeks? Or like, what's the whole like,
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  how does it? I've never, I've never talked to
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  anybody who's gone away on one of these types of things, so.
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  Yeah, it's a retreat night. He recommends coming in like a
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  day or two early kind of help with the jet lag.
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  Then there's a pick up spot that he has that everyone will get
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  picked up at and we drove to the location that there's actually
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  only one Rd. that goes in and out the way we were at in Mindu
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  and it was February 3rd to the 8th that we spent there.
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  So 5 days in February. Yeah, which down there was
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  actually pretty warm. Oh yeah, Ecuador.
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  I mean, you're, you're, you're quite near the equator, I think.
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  Yeah. And so, yeah, it's, it's got to
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  be tropical almost year round, probably sometimes worse more
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  than or worse or, you know, weather wise heat and all that.
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  But I, I, I would imagine that our, you know, up here in the
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  States, you know, the, the, the winter months down there that
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  far have got to be quite pleasant.
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  Yeah, they have dry season and a wet season.
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  OK. And we were down there in the
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  wet season. Oh yeah.
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  And pretty much every day we got rain.
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  Really. So the OK, so, so you're down
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  there for five days for the retreat.
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  So it's a five day long retreat, right?
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  Yeah. And that so going back to my
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  first does does shipper is it is it his thing or is he just there
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  to help with it? It's.
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  Pretty him and his wife Cecily. Him and his wife kind of do it,
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  OK? Yeah, and they have other people
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  helping with. OK.
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  Then they brought in the Taita from the coupon tribe for the
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  ceremony because for that he was more as I forget the term that
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  he used, but he was more there for mental support and that
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  basically. Does does so that he doesn't
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  administer the medicine right? No, even down there with the
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  where you sell in the hot Bay, the medicine woman was the one
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  administering it there. Can you, can you, can you tell
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  the people that are listening and watching?
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  You say, you said hot Bay. I know what it is because I've,
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  I've, I've been blessed enough to have a man of the, you know,
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  Toltec traditions administer that medicine to me before I
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  know what it is. Can you describe to the people
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  what HAPE is? Or rape I think is another term
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  that gets sometimes used but. Yeah, I've heard rape too.
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  Yeah. So it's a sacred Indian tobacco.
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  It's thank you in a small powder form.
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  They got a special instrument that they use that they put it
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  in and it gets blown up into the nostrils and has a very calming
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  effect on you and essentially really helps you think and hone
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  in on your intent that you want to work on.
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  Yeah. I've heard that some HAPE
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  ceremonies the HAPE is may infuse may be the wrong word,
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  but is also there There's other medicine incorporated into the
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  HAPE, it's not just the tobacco. Was your HAPE experience down in
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  Ecuador? Did it did it involve just the
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  HAPE or were there other medicine incorporate into it?
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  I think they had a couple other stuff been worth it.
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  I'm not pretty certain on what was all in it, but I know I
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  heard them talking about it on what might have been in there.
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  Yeah, I'm sure they talk about it or they let you know ahead of
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  time they like the for safety and liability and all that.
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  So was and was this the only medicine that was administered
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  during the five day retreat? The way you saw cafe and
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  ayahuasca, whatever. Ayahuasca, Yeah.
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  Wow. What was, you know, so being
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  that you've kind of, you know, you know, it doesn't sound like
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  you're a stranger to plant medicine.
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  You know, you talked earlier about marijuana, you talked
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  about DMT. You know, these are, these are
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  psychoactive things that can really play a part in our
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  perception of the world around us.
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  Open things up to allow us to be connected and experience the
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  universe and, and, and our involvement with, with all of it
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  in a much pure and a much more connected way.
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  Was was your experience with with with mother Ayahuasca like
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  anything else that you've experienced before?
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  Like can you compare it to anything?
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  Else no. I mean some of the effects kind
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  of felt like weed, like trying to move around in that, but the
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  journey in that itself. I don't have any other
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  experiences that could describe. Wow, was the was it a how?
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  How was that medicine? How was it administered?
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  Was it a a smoked ingested tea? It was made into a tea.
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  Yeah, he had the all right, Hoska, almost in a concentrated
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  form, you know, container that kind of looked like it might
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  have been darkened. But he would take out the amount
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  that he wanted for each one because he made each cup as he
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  went. We actually stood in a line and
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  everyone got served as we went up.
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  We drank the tea and then went and sat down and laid down
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  however we wanted to do it. But yeah, you'd take out the
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  amount that he wanted and then with water, it was actually in a
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  wooden bowl almost anyway, and we would drink it and the bowl
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  back to the taita and then go back to where we were at.
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  Go back to your own like sitting places or or bed roll or
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  whatever. I'm assuming was like a was it?
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  So you were one of how many people at this, at this retreat?
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  Can you say how many? How many other attendees were
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  there? There were I believe 14 of us
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  brought all everyone participated on the first one.
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  And so there was one guy that headed off on the first one,
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  they didn't feel he needed to do the second ceremony, so he end
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  up staying back and they end up doing something else by the fire
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  back at the main area while we were doing our ceremony for the
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  second time. But yeah, we had crystal little
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  pads that we all had lined out and I'm sleeping bags or what
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  not 'cause it they get a little bit cold at night.
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  And we each had our own puke bucket.
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  In this case we had the Purge. Oh.
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  Yeah. So there I'm assuming that the
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  one of the one of the things that the medicine does is induce
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  vomiting or can induce vomiting. Right.
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  In vomiting or out the other end.
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  Oh yeah, so there's there's a purging aspect to the medicine
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  that can trigger the those responses in the body.
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  Yeah. And timing of that is dependent
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  on each person. And you're all there to to
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  witness this, right? I mean, it's a, is it a common
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  area when everybody's taking the medicine?
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  Does does everybody stay in the same central common area or are
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  you all going away from each other after receiving the
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  medicine, after being served the medicine?
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  Nope. It was all one common area, just
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  enough space in between US and by our heads for Nicholas
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  Shipper and the others to come by if needed be for support in
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  that. But others, yeah, we were all in
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  the same area as the Taita and Alex would start singing and
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  different instruments and that kind of help with the journey
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  and everything. And.
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  The light was very minimal, so they were saying just enough
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  light can actually pull you out of the journey.
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  They had a fire going in the background, but it was a very
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  low fire. Oh wow, so it's dark or on the
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  darker end of the light spectrum?
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  Now it is do it because it was done 9:00 or so when we started.
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  Both times we were having to use flashlights to kind of get up
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  there. And then we're also not allowed
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  our phones, but we're at the ceremony kind of completely on.
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  The whole purpose of the retreat is to disconnect from society
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  and everything and kind of focus in on yourself to heal.
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  Wow. So I'd like to know a little bit
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  about like your individual experience, if you could kind of
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  walk us through what it was like to, I mean, you, you, you had to
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  fly and, and arrive, I guess, in Ecuador, right?
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  So from the moment you arrived in Ecuador, could you take us
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  kind of, could you start and, and kind of tell us, paint a
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  picture for us what it was like arriving there and then the next
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  5 days for you, like can, can you kind of paint that picture
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  for us? You know, yeah, so like I said
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  before, I arrived early to help recover from the jet lag and
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  that, but arrived in Quito and end up getting a ride to the
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  hotel that I got and it was late when I got in.
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  Then I'm just going to bed that night.
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  The next day on the Sunday, I end up doing a bunch of walking
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  around checking out Quito. I was kind of in the downtown
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  area kind of more in the historical part.
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  I went to go check out some of the museums there and I end up
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  seeing a bunch of the vendors outside in that and it was
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  interesting for them to see me is I was wearing my kilt and a
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  free hugs T-shirt. You didn't look like a you
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  didn't look like you belonged in Ecuador wearing a kilt and a
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  Free Hugs T-shirt. I guess, yeah, you stood out a
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  little bit. Well, I was getting a few lugs,
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  yeah. So I was spent a couple hours
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  just walking around try to check out one museum.
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  I was wasn't sure how to get on a tour or see any stuff there.
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  7:00 in over to another one and Century had a small interview
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  outside of that one from someone there asking me about where I
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  was from and what I was down there for and that and checked
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  out that museum, which was pretty neat.
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  And we went to this cafe place to a meeting up with some of the
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  other members but a community. Members meaning like the other
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  people that were there for the retreat.
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  Yeah. Gotcha.
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  And Nicholas end up showing up there with the drum maker and
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  his wife. And we were there for a couple
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  hours just talking, kind of sharing how we all came to that
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  moment and how we all found out about the retreat and all that.
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  And most of the people that actually was through Hylong that
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  they found out about the retreat, you know, from
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  following Nicholas Instagram, then ran up putting ways.
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  After a while, I went to a market to find a poncho.
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  I was able to find one, and I was then trying to find a place
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  to eat and almost gotten more. No way.
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  Yeah, if you're down there alone and you're not around a lot of
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  people, you you have to watch out for that.
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  And they actually, oh, man, yeah.
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  They actually threw something on me.
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  It was kind of widespread too, right there.
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  Was rug or something maybe? I was just a mixture of stuff.
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  Nicholas was telling me about that.
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  Oh wow. It was meant to have a foul odor
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  to it but there was 2 widespread that would come from a bird or
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  anything but they were trying to then wipe it off and trying to
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  keep my chin way off so I couldn't see what their hands
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  were doing below but. They got wow.
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  So you actually had like people messing with you there.
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  Yeah, two people trying to mess with me, I end up getting away
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  from them without having to turn to violence.
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  That's good. What a start, huh?
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  What a way to start the start everything off.
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  You know, they're trying to keep from getting taken advantage of.
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  Yeah. I mean, I have been confident
• 29:59
  defending myself. They do have some training and
• 30:04
  do go to the gym so I'm not weak or anything.
• 30:10
  Right. Yeah.
• 30:11
  But then after that I went back and then it came to Monday and
• 30:22
  went to the meter point. We went to a museum that was
• 30:30
  centered on the actual equator point in Ecuador.
• 30:36
  And we were. They were first showing us how
• 30:40
  the actual chocolate was made from the cacao.
• 30:44
  Yeah. And they actually let us try the
• 30:47
  actual cacao fruit and telling us from that point the process
• 30:54
  on how the chocolate was made. And it was all this stuff on
• 31:02
  other tribes from the area. Another neat one was the head
• 31:08
  shrinkers, the Native American tribe known as the head
• 31:13
  shrinkers. They were telling us about that
• 31:18
  and they actually had a real specimen from the actual process
• 31:26
  from that, that we weren't actually able to take pictures
• 31:30
  of it because light and stuff would actually affect our skin
• 31:35
  and everything. They were trying to keep it
• 31:39
  preserved well. But.
• 31:45
  A shrunken head you actually got.
• 31:46
  You got to see an actual human head.
• 31:48
  A shrunken head. Yeah.
• 31:51
  Wow how did they Did they say how old it was or or from how
• 31:55
  far back it is dated? I forget, but it's pretty old.
• 32:03
  Yeah. And the hair is still there, but
• 32:08
  it was quite intriguing to see that.
• 32:13
  I bet that's kind of creepy though, in a way.
• 32:18
  Yeah, it can be. And they're showing how the
• 32:24
  actual equator works with water flow and that they had a bucket
• 32:31
  and they would put some leaves in it and they would dump the
• 32:34
  water out and on the equator they would just go straight out.
• 32:40
  It wouldn't swirl. Right.
• 32:43
  Then on either side, just far enough away, each side would
• 32:48
  swirl the opposite way. Yeah, right.
• 32:52
  I've heard about that. If you go like to the to the
• 32:54
  Southern hemisphere, it goes the IT goes counter clockwise.
• 32:58
  Yeah, and they're doing that with the water.
• 33:02
  We were only few feet off of the equator.
• 33:06
  Wow. Then they had a challenge here
• 33:11
  to see if he could balance an egg on top of a screw head and
• 33:19
  if you could actually get it they would give you a
• 33:21
  certificate and I was wanted a couple that was able to get it.
• 33:28
  Yeah. Is there a trick to it or you
• 33:29
  just have to be at the right place?
• 33:32
  And it's just having minimal movement and just getting the
• 33:38
  yolk just kind of sit in the right spot.
• 33:43
  So it just balances, have a very minimal movement trying to find
• 33:49
  that sweet spot. Gotcha.
• 33:53
  So there's some skill to it. A little bit, just mainly having
• 33:58
  a lot of patience. OK.
• 34:01
  Yeah. Then they're having us kind of
• 34:04
  balance on the equator line anyway.
• 34:09
  It has the arms out and keep the head up and close your eyes.
• 34:15
  And most people are just start tearing one side or the other
• 34:20
  very hard to try and walk straight on the equator.
• 34:27
  Yeah. But and then after that, there
• 34:31
  was think about a two hour drive from there to Mendu where we
• 34:38
  were staying at. And we actually had to stop on
• 34:44
  the way as we had luggage on top of the van that we were all in.
• 34:51
  But it started raining. So we had to get everything
• 34:54
  inside because he didn't have a turf at the time.
• 35:00
  Wow. And it's not very heavy rainfall
• 35:05
  there. It's very light, so it's almost
• 35:11
  consistent. So you're getting rain almost
• 35:14
  throughout the day and just I see periods where we had a
• 35:18
  break. Yeah.
• 35:21
  But yeah, so we got the place that we were staying at and we
• 35:27
  were designed to different places where we were staying and
• 35:32
  even there was kind of more community.
• 35:36
  There wasn't no actual rooms or anything.
• 35:39
  It was not just an open concept thing.
• 35:47
  And the rest of that, theaters kind of integrating with
• 35:51
  everyone more, kind of getting comfortable and kind of just
• 35:56
  resting. And the next day on Tuesdays in
• 36:03
  the morning, when we did the Weyusa and Taipei what?
• 36:09
  What? What was the first thing that
• 36:10
  you said, Weyusa? I think what, what, what's that?
• 36:15
  That was also made into a tea. Not really too sure on what that
• 36:27
  is. And it's just another they have
• 36:33
  a medicine called calm the body and kind of help prepare it for
• 36:38
  the medicine. There's another actual ceremony
• 36:44
  with the where you saw and Poppy.
• 36:47
  So where you saw I'm just looking it up is a caffeinated
• 36:54
  tea from the Amazon rainforest traditionally used by the
• 36:57
  Quichua people of Ecuador, known for its potential to promote
• 37:02
  lucid dreaming and energy. Does that sound about right?
• 37:10
  Yeah. OK.
• 37:12
  I've never heard of it before. So.
• 37:15
  I thought that it was it had caffeine and it that's also one
• 37:22
  of the things that you got out put on hold for the moment is
• 37:26
  caffeine, alcohol and any other drugs or.
• 37:32
  Stimulants, right? All that you might be on, just
• 37:37
  get the most out of the experience.
• 37:41
  Yeah, I'm reading it. So for it's cultural
• 37:43
  significance, it says the Quichua people of Ecuador have a
• 37:46
  long history of using why yusa in ceremonies and rituals, often
• 37:50
  drinking it to promote the lucid dreaming and enhance their
• 37:53
  connection to the spirit world. So they used it into in in in in
• 38:00
  tandem or in with with the with the hot pay.
• 38:06
  Did you drink it before the hot pay?
• 38:09
  Yep, dairy did. No, it was again, no.
• 38:16
  Another wooden bowl that they poured it in and the jug that it
• 38:22
  was in was made out of clay. A lot of earth materials being
• 38:30
  used here too. Sure.
• 38:33
  But yeah, they actually had the warming up on the fire as we
• 38:38
  were going through the ceremony. That was part of the whole
• 38:42
  thing. OK.
• 38:44
  And each person took their turn drinking their part of it and
• 38:50
  then they started going on with the hoppy and and then we were
• 38:56
  through with that. We did a river cleanse.
• 39:02
  Oh. And how Nicholas was saying is
• 39:09
  essentially the way for Mother Earth, the hug us.
• 39:16
  We're actually in one of the earth elements.
• 39:21
  And so when we're ready, we would get into the water.
• 39:25
  And he almost wanted us to try and float on our backs for all
• 39:34
  but the water still was a little cold.
• 39:38
  They had to try and calm myself down and breathe and just enjoy
• 39:45
  it. Yeah.
• 39:49
  But where we are at, just a fantastic view and not really
• 39:57
  many people around. So you're able to kind of more
• 40:02
  immerse yourself in nature and. Yeah.
• 40:11
  So this is, this is essentially like the the first day or day 2,
• 40:15
  right? Like if you've already arrived,
• 40:16
  you've got settled in you, you kind of recovered a bit from the
• 40:20
  jet lag. And now the ceremonial retreat
• 40:23
  work is beginning with the Weyusa and the Hape.
• 40:27
  Yep, this is this. This is the introduction to the
• 40:29
  medicine part of of things, right?
• 40:32
  Yep, essentially how I see it start prepping the body for the
• 40:39
  Ayahasca and such a intentions more the actually Monday night
• 40:50
  we did a game actually have it actually bought one of them
• 40:59
  called Unleash Humanity. Oh, cool.
• 41:04
  There's a lot of different decks in here that have different
• 41:11
  questions pertaining to each almost path or whatnot.
• 41:19
  We got Creation, connection, heart, truth, expansion, and
• 41:25
  self, and so there's a dice on the inside that you would roll
• 41:32
  that you would get one of those. And before you roll the dice, we
• 41:38
  would want to try and put some of yourself into the dice to be
• 41:44
  able to help bring out your actual intention more than given
• 41:53
  a certain amount of time. There's a hourglass that comes
• 41:56
  with it too as we could have been there all night talking
• 42:01
  about stuff but we each took a turn rolling the dice.
• 42:09
  Then should fan out all the coins so we could choose the one
• 42:13
  that we wanted, read the question on it and if we needed
• 42:19
  some time, but then essentially answer the question and then
• 42:32
  move on from there. We weren't really trying to give
• 42:37
  advice or anything around there. There was more food sharing and
• 42:42
  finding what your intention might have been.
• 42:47
  Nice. Then going to Tuesday with the
• 42:50
  happy and that the horn in on it more.
• 42:56
  Yeah. Nah.
• 43:00
  This is this was your second time experiencing hot day right
• 43:03
  here 'cause you had had it you, you had done it once before with
• 43:05
  shipper at the Colorado ritual, right?
• 43:12
  Bushuk Sash and yeah. Yeah.
• 43:16
  What did you think I would really quick.
• 43:17
  I just want to kind of dive into that because I had my first hot
• 43:20
  day experience last year. What did you think of that?
• 43:27
  What do you think of that medicine like?
• 43:29
  It was very grounding for sure, right?
• 43:34
  I just, you know, man, like I don't know about you, but like
• 43:36
  my first time, like I just wanted to be in the earth.
• 43:38
  Like I couldn't get close enough.
• 43:41
  I had to lay down and just like be there, like and touch and
• 43:48
  feel like it was, it was, it was beautiful.
• 43:51
  It's it's one of the most emotional things that I think
• 43:58
  I've ever had in terms of like medicine, plant medicine.
• 44:02
  Very grounding, it can definitely bring out a lot of
• 44:05
  emotion and thoughts that is almost helps you think through
• 44:13
  some thoughts and stuff too without doing that.
• 44:18
  On my second one and that was it.
• 44:24
  Actually brought me to tears too.
• 44:27
  Me too. Thinking too, and it end up
• 44:34
  involving the dream that I was talking about.
• 44:39
  Well, that message that end up being part of the ceremony as
• 44:45
  well with that. But yeah, it was quite the
• 44:52
  experience with that. But I just know we're trying to
• 44:58
  lay down, especially on your back would be kind of hard
• 45:01
  because you're not supposed to close your mouth or anything.
• 45:05
  And you always got. Yeah, no, I was face down like I
• 45:09
  had a lay. I was like on my stomach laying
• 45:11
  down after my hot day experience.
• 45:14
  Like I I was sitting and then like I was just like, man, I got
• 45:17
  to, I got to lay down like, but lay face down.
• 45:23
  That's what I felt like doing and that's what was told to me.
• 45:26
  That was, it was, you know, they said that the, the, the man who
• 45:29
  served the medicine was explaining it like whatever you
• 45:33
  feel like you need to do, you know, let the medicine do what
• 45:38
  it needs to do. You, you're going to want to
• 45:40
  because, you know, like you were saying before, the way that the
• 45:42
  medicine is served is it is blown up your nasal passages.
• 45:48
  Now that is a very, if you've never experienced it before,
• 45:53
  anything like it. I mean, it can, it can it's hot,
• 45:55
  you know, I mean, it burns it it's uncomfortable.
• 45:58
  You know, your body's kind of natural reaction to it is to
• 46:04
  like reject it. You know, it was told us like
• 46:10
  don't right. Try to try not to let that
• 46:12
  happen. And but the emotional things
• 46:15
  like if you want to laugh, then laugh.
• 46:16
  If you want to cry, then cry. If you want to lay down, sit,
• 46:18
  stand, whatever. And I just, I just kind of went
• 46:21
  with it. It I, I, I moved and I and I
• 46:24
  positioned. I found myself in the positions
• 46:27
  that the medicine wanted me to be in.
• 46:29
  And at one point it was to be prone stomach, you know, chest,
• 46:33
  face in the earth, just touching grass, just touching the earth
• 46:37
  and just let her hug you and be as close to earth as you can.
• 46:44
  That's how I felt that my first time.
• 46:48
  Yeah, and I know use my hands to support my head and kind of
• 46:54
  going between having my legs crossed and legs out.
• 46:59
  But yeah, I kept noticing I just kept leaning more forward and
• 47:03
  just kept leaning more forward. And.
• 47:07
  On and I was extremely grounding and got to watch your step as
• 47:15
  you get up and that's right, take it a little slow.
• 47:25
  And they did have stuff for sale there too, like she had the
• 47:33
  game. They did have smaller vials of
• 47:38
  the poppy that you could get, and they had other vials.
• 47:49
  There's seven different super plants that center of mitral
• 47:58
  doses, and apparently they're all kind of linked back to
• 48:03
  ayahuasca. I had two vials when I got back
• 48:07
  to Chicago. The customs there confiscated
• 48:12
  them for me. That's not surprising.
• 48:18
  Yeah, unfortunately, I mean, I also haven't heard back from
• 48:22
  them. But I guess in a way kind of
• 48:25
  fortunate because I looked up the laws for Wisconsin and
• 48:29
  possession here there can be up to two years in prison and I
• 48:34
  think I could fine. Yeah, that kind of goes back to
• 48:38
  like what I was saying before with the sensitivity of of plant
• 48:43
  medicine, right. At least here in the United
• 48:45
  States, it's, it's most, most of the things that we talked about
• 48:52
  when we talked about plant medicine are on the federal
• 48:54
  level still, you know, not decriminalized.
• 49:00
  You know, local or state jurisdictions might be
• 49:04
  different, You know, places you go across the United States in
• 49:07
  the, in the various states in the country might be different.
• 49:11
  But at a federal level, you know, you're, you're looking at
• 49:13
  some pretty harsh punishment for being in possession of certain
• 49:18
  things. And I'm not really sure if even
• 49:24
  is legal in any of the states. Yeah, I don't think so.
• 49:28
  And all some have like mushrooms.
• 49:34
  Yeah, which? I was told is sort of on the
• 49:38
  same level, but they'll separate.
• 49:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 49:47
  So, yeah. So then we got the ones.
• 49:55
  I think it was still on Tuesday in the afternoon.
• 50:00
  We're doing a drum circle as we actually had a chance to buy
• 50:08
  some drums off a drum maker that he knows down there and I
• 50:13
  actually have mine just a short ways away.
• 50:18
  Oh, nice. So you got to bring that back as
• 50:21
  a, as a memento or souvenir of your, of your experience, right?
• 50:27
  Yep, and the connection bed wanted a necklace that I bought
• 50:32
  from the Taita's wife that was made from the community.
• 50:40
  Nice. Hopefully you all can see that
• 50:45
  there's a lot of nuts and stuff that they all grown together
• 50:50
  and. Oh wow, cool.
• 50:52
  Actual flowers at the end and and yeah different assortments
• 51:00
  and doesn't get there wasn't just that style but still went
• 51:09
  to help their community out and everything and.
• 51:13
  Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, so we did a drum
• 51:18
  circle. Yes.
• 51:21
  A lot of stuff was to create a community and get everyone
• 51:26
  comfortable with each other because going on the journey is
• 51:34
  quite an experience. And when I was told, even with
• 51:38
  mushrooms, you want to do it with someone that you'd trust a
• 51:43
  lot. That does make a big difference,
• 51:50
  you know, especially if you've never experienced that type of
• 51:53
  medicine before. You know, I can, I can, I can
• 52:00
  speak from experience, from, from that type of medicine that
• 52:03
  the mushroom medicine is you, you get better, you, you, you
• 52:11
  have a better experience when first of all, you're in the
• 52:14
  right state of mind going into it or with the right intention
• 52:18
  behind it. You know, not looking at it as a
• 52:22
  recreational party drug experience, you know, but
• 52:25
  looking at it as medicine, approaching it as medicine, but
• 52:31
  then also being in the company of others who are sharing in
• 52:37
  that vision or sharing in that approach.
• 52:41
  Because again, you're, you know, if you, if you, I, I can only
• 52:45
  imagine, right? You got people coming from
• 52:47
  different parts of the world, probably different parts of you
• 52:52
  know, that have never seen each other.
• 52:54
  You know, you had 14 people here in Ecuador that have never met
• 52:56
  each other once maybe at a, at the highland.
• 52:59
  I know you said you guys have similar interests with high
• 53:02
  lung, you know, but did you, did you know anybody else besides
• 53:05
  shipper when you went there? Like did you recognize anybody
• 53:09
  else and know anybody personally?
• 53:12
  No. So you, yeah, you've got that,
• 53:15
  that whole thing, like, you know, you're you're all, you
• 53:18
  know, going to this thing for the medicine, for the healing,
• 53:22
  but you're sharing in that experience together.
• 53:25
  So to be in that company and in that space with, for all intents
• 53:32
  and purposes, complete strangers, there has to be a
• 53:36
  sort of leading up to that moment.
• 53:39
  Like you can't just jump in and be like, all right, guys, we're
• 53:40
  going to go for a journey now. And, and then you're all like,
• 53:45
  you know, like, let's get to know each other.
• 53:47
  Let's, let's build that sense of community.
• 53:48
  Let's, let's, let's become familiar with one another at
• 53:50
  least. And it, it sounds like from what
• 53:52
  you're talking about, the, the, the cafe and the, the way you
• 53:55
  saw and, and the games, right? Like this builds that
• 53:58
  connection. This builds this closeness
• 54:01
  between people. Yeah, the drum circle.
• 54:04
  The drum circle, yeah. It together, there's three
• 54:10
  different almost like cabins that we were sleeping in, but
• 54:14
  there was a few of us actually sleeping together in the same
• 54:21
  area. Yeah, it's a sacred place when
• 54:27
  we're doing the ceremony. And yeah, there's helps having
• 54:35
  some connection to the people around you.
• 54:39
  Sure. You can during the ceremony, you
• 54:44
  can actually kind of connect with someone else doing it and
• 54:51
  because we're actually told to try and concentrate on ourselves
• 54:56
  and not with the other people, even though we were so close
• 55:01
  together. Yeah, right.
• 55:04
  Because you're all there for your own experiences, I'm sure,
• 55:08
  right? You went there for yourself for
• 55:12
  the reasons that you wanted to be there from being invited.
• 55:15
  So is everybody else. And at the same time, now you're
• 55:19
  also there together, in a common area, in a shared space.
• 55:26
  Yeah, yeah, we're all there for our own reason, but and also
• 55:32
  creating community to also be able to help each other out when
• 55:37
  we're able. Yeah, everyone was quite
• 55:42
  welcoming there and. Oh, that's good.
• 55:45
  Checking up on each other and just talking and finding out
• 55:50
  about everyone's backgrounds and everything.
• 55:53
  And yeah, but yeah, we had people from Sweden, Australia.
• 56:02
  All over the world. Wow.
• 56:03
  Area. That's amazing.
• 56:06
  Few people from the States and one of the guys apparently was
• 56:14
  actually at the highlong ritual in Milwaukee and there was only
• 56:20
  a couple people down from where I was at.
• 56:25
  Wow. But I mean, we didn't really
• 56:28
  connect until down there and then, yeah, she should.
• 56:33
  Then it was it was intriguing and not find something like that
• 56:41
  out. Yeah, yeah, I guess come to find
• 56:44
  out. Yeah.
• 56:44
  Wow, we were 50 feet apart X amount of years ago and now here
• 56:48
  we are in a totally, you know, we're we're thousands of miles
• 56:50
  away from where we live and we're in the same room.
• 56:53
  That's that's what I like to call weird.
• 56:56
  But like WYRD, you know, like the dramatic or Norse weird how,
• 56:59
  how things are woven into people's threads.
• 57:02
  Like who, what, how weird is that?
• 57:03
  You know that you guys were so close at one point and now so
• 57:07
  far apart, but then so and then even closer experiencing this,
• 57:11
  this ceremony, this, this, this retreat for medicine and for
• 57:15
  healing together. That's wild.
• 57:19
  So you, you, you're now getting into like the, you know, you,
• 57:22
  you've, you've built this community with the drumming it
• 57:26
  at at what point does the ayahuasca become integrated into
• 57:30
  things? No, that would have been on
• 57:38
  Wednesday and Thursday. Maybe the ayahuasca on Wednesday
• 57:47
  in the morning, we did another group connection thing.
• 57:58
  We actually had some homework to draw up, some stuff that you're
• 58:05
  told to think about and draw up. And there's a whole interaction
• 58:12
  thing between that and all this stuff.
• 58:16
  And again, they kind of integrate more into each other
• 58:23
  and kind of just realize the energy around us and everything
• 58:30
  and how a lot of that stuff can work.
• 58:37
  And we also, some of us were, I think it might have been all of
• 58:42
  us, but we were pulled aside by the medicine woman kind of talk
• 58:47
  about some of the stuff that she noticed about everyone, which
• 58:55
  was kind of weird too. Is then she only spoke French.
• 59:01
  So everything she said, Nicholas had to interpret.
• 59:08
  So like for me, I couldn't really personally talk to her,
• 59:16
  but we had that talk. She was explaining stuff that I
• 59:24
  knew about myself to be true and that that she saw through the
• 59:28
  flames because we had plenty of fire going.
• 59:34
  That was almost the heart of the community.
• 59:38
  And there was kept going the whole time until it would have
• 59:46
  been Saturday morning when they put it out because we were
• 59:51
  through the ceremony and everything.
• 59:53
  And but what she saw through the fire and was telling me about
• 1:00:02
  just tell you a lot about what some people have for gifts and
• 1:00:08
  so that they can. See, with people without
• 1:00:12
  actually talking to them and knowing anything about them.
• 1:00:17
  And that's when I told her about the one dream that I had when I
• 1:00:22
  was very young. And because I can talk about
• 1:00:32
  that point now, right? Essentially came across the
• 1:00:38
  riverbank and on the other side down the ways away, there was
• 1:00:45
  two people that I could see they're just sitting on the edge
• 1:00:52
  too far away to hear if they were saying anything that but
• 1:00:57
  the point to where I was at looked like I was able to jump
• 1:01:01
  over it to be able to go over to them.
• 1:01:06
  But as I start running and getting ready to jump over it
• 1:01:12
  just as I jumped it, it's almost like a wide end and there was no
• 1:01:18
  way I would be able to jump to the other side and falling
• 1:01:22
  straight down. And it wasn't actual flowing
• 1:01:29
  water, it was like an ice. But when I hit the surface, I
• 1:01:35
  got sucked into a tube and it was so tight, like I was wasn't
• 1:01:42
  able to move or anything. And my arms are on my side and I
• 1:01:47
  looked to my side and I think I saw like someone else in there
• 1:01:51
  as well. But I was essentially stuck in
• 1:01:56
  this tube. And then that's when I woke up
• 1:02:02
  and I was telling someone else to, and it was almost like
• 1:02:08
  that's when I lost a part of myself.
• 1:02:12
  Then one of the other people that I told that to was telling
• 1:02:16
  me that that that might actually be the part of myself that I
• 1:02:21
  needed to love. And I was telling about all the
• 1:02:31
  stuff too, between my father and other stuff.
• 1:02:34
  And yeah, that was kind of his take on it, that it wasn't.
• 1:02:42
  I wasn't seeking a part of myself that I lost, more the
• 1:02:48
  part of myself that I needed to love.
• 1:02:52
  And that was essentially a question that I got from the
• 1:02:58
  game too, is that I knew there was people that loved me and all
• 1:03:07
  that, but for some reason I just couldn't accept the love from
• 1:03:12
  other people. And that was essentially became
• 1:03:20
  my intention for the medicine. And so there's a lot of resting
• 1:03:32
  going on with this retreat too, really doing a whole lot of
• 1:03:39
  stuff. It was a lot of rusting,
• 1:03:42
  integrating. Yeah, well, I.
• 1:03:48
  I would suspect so. I mean, with, with such deep
• 1:03:50
  work being required or being done, you know, like it's
• 1:03:55
  taxing, it's draining, you know, takes a lot out of you.
• 1:03:59
  Yeah, especially with the ceremony, because it's done at
• 1:04:03
  night. You're going through the night
• 1:04:05
  into the morning. Nah.
• 1:04:09
  When we wake back up, we have a community breakfast.
• 1:04:20
  We got other ingredients like the eggs, the bread and jam and
• 1:04:25
  but it's all in the middle and we're all just grabbing stuff
• 1:04:29
  and actually making the food there and grabbing you want to
• 1:04:33
  eat and passing stuff to other people and all that.
• 1:04:38
  Just being very involved. Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  Yeah, so Wednesday was the first night.
• 1:04:55
  That night wasn't too eventful for me.
• 1:05:00
  It was I was almost, I was trying to see in the wrong way.
• 1:05:04
  I was almost trying to keep my eyes open for it and trying to
• 1:05:11
  stay sitting up. There's some of the stuff that I
• 1:05:16
  heard, but the medicine was actually still trying to get me
• 1:05:23
  to close my eyes, and the few times that I did, I was stalled
• 1:05:31
  seeing some stuff. First time it was black, then I
• 1:05:40
  was seeing like a whole bunch of eyes, which we actually turned
• 1:05:45
  into a whole bunch of bugs and stuff, which back to a different
• 1:05:52
  dream that I had. It was essentially stuck inside
• 1:05:55
  of a tree, surrounded by bugs and everything, just crawling
• 1:06:02
  all over and everything. Wow, I.
• 1:06:06
  Came to from that, went into another one, again saw a bunch
• 1:06:11
  of eyes, but then this time there was a whole bunch of
• 1:06:14
  wolves and eventually turned into one wolf that I saw sort of
• 1:06:21
  right next to me where I was. Then woke up from that.
• 1:06:30
  Wow. Then Taita and Alex would do a
• 1:06:36
  essentially a cleansing and they actually involved with actual
• 1:06:47
  almost Native American tobacco. It was, you know, cigarette
• 1:06:52
  form, but I don't think it even had a filter on it.
• 1:07:00
  But they're using that. They're pulling that on you.
• 1:07:07
  They had some leaves that they're using and music and
• 1:07:13
  sound and all that. And the moment I think it was
• 1:07:21
  Alex by me, but when he touched me, I could feel the warmth and
• 1:07:27
  love and just the community and everything from them.
• 1:07:34
  When he was just touching me in the different spots, there
• 1:07:39
  wasn't a spot. And there was just an amazing
• 1:07:44
  experience with just that itself.
• 1:07:49
  And I actually did an bridge on that night either.
• 1:07:58
  And we're actually not allowed any protein before the ceremony
• 1:08:08
  as well. The last meal would have been
• 1:08:12
  just between fruit and vegetable stuff.
• 1:08:16
  Oh wow. OK, So no animal products, no
• 1:08:20
  protein and things like that, Just just plant?
• 1:08:24
  Food. Yep, the last meal before the
• 1:08:28
  ceremony. Yeah, but then they'll also
• 1:08:34
  offer a second cup to the people that would want to want to need
• 1:08:42
  a second one. It's up to your choice though.
• 1:08:49
  A second. Cup of the of the Ayahuasca,
• 1:08:51
  right? Ayahuasca.
• 1:08:55
  Yeah, and the second one they'll actually bring to you because
• 1:09:00
  you're quite unstable while under the medicine.
• 1:09:07
  I see. Beth did.
• 1:09:10
  You go for the second cup that night, or just the one.
• 1:09:15
  No, not on that night. I was just sort of riding.
• 1:09:21
  Riding it out, kind of feel for it.
• 1:09:26
  Then you know it get to the point where you're essentially
• 1:09:32
  allowed to sleep for a while and sometimes you're still under the
• 1:09:40
  medicine when you go to sleep and you might still receive
• 1:09:44
  stuff while you're going to sleep.
• 1:09:47
  But there is a peak to it, yeah. So that we'll get up in the
• 1:09:56
  morning and kind of clean up, have the breakfast, then head
• 1:10:02
  back down to the main camp. This is a separate location,
• 1:10:09
  little ways away. It's only walk within walking
• 1:10:13
  distance, but it's more isolated then since you had the rest of
• 1:10:22
  the day to kind of relax and recover and get some more sleep
• 1:10:27
  if you wanted to and then went back to it that night.
• 1:10:33
  But I didn't have a lot better experience on the second round.
• 1:10:41
  You did. Yep, I even called on my patron
• 1:10:48
  God Thor and Odin kind of help give me the strength and
• 1:10:54
  knowledge help guide me through this experience.
• 1:10:59
  And that was actually placed closer to the Taita.
• 1:11:06
  That was the first time I was it was actually the furthest one
• 1:11:12
  away from the Taita and being one of the guy who was brought
• 1:11:19
  to the closest spot from the Taita and all them but.
• 1:11:30
  And this is done. This is on Thursday, right?
• 1:11:32
  This is the second night. Yep, the second night on
• 1:11:34
  Thursday and they don't have a concept of time when you're up
• 1:11:43
  to either because you don't have your phone to look at.
• 1:11:46
  Yeah. I'm not sure how long it took
• 1:11:51
  for it to actually kick in, but when it did I couldn't feel my
• 1:12:04
  body or lens at all. It's like I went to a different
• 1:12:09
  dimension that could. I saw a lot of objects and
• 1:12:18
  colors and stuff, but same thing if I'm on weed and that it was,
• 1:12:27
  I was like, I'm going through a tunnel.
• 1:12:31
  I was like I'm being transported or something.
• 1:12:36
  But I was going on this very intriguing journey and when I
• 1:12:49
  still had my senses in that, because there was raining during
• 1:12:55
  that, but it was like cutting in and out.
• 1:13:02
  It was very weird. It was cutting up and out.
• 1:13:07
  Between that, the music that they were playing and one of the
• 1:13:16
  ladies there she was actually singing.
• 1:13:21
  Then she would sing for a little bit, then laugh.
• 1:13:27
  Was this another member or attendee of the retreat?
• 1:13:33
  Yes, it was. So it was a Coed.
• 1:13:35
  It was a Coed experience. Yeah.
• 1:13:38
  Gotcha. OK, so this person was feeling
• 1:13:41
  the need to or the OR the medicine was working through her
• 1:13:43
  to sing or something I guess is what you're saying?
• 1:13:47
  Yeah. And not really sure she knew
• 1:13:51
  that she was doing it, but it happens.
• 1:13:56
  Everyone has their own experience on it.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah, but yeah. And you were just there like the
• 1:14:04
  hearing it while you're going through.
• 1:14:06
  You're going through and then you hear this.
• 1:14:09
  Yeah. Wow, making me want to laugh.
• 1:14:12
  And eventually a lot of people was laughing around all that and
• 1:14:19
  yeah, as just going through a journey almost through another
• 1:14:26
  realm or through multiple realms and eventually came to the point
• 1:14:39
  where I was at that river essentially.
• 1:14:46
  And I was game like I actually had help from Thor.
• 1:14:53
  I was actually able to smash through the river available, get
• 1:14:59
  to my part that was in there and be able to actually then hug
• 1:15:05
  myself and give it the law that I was actually searching for.
• 1:15:14
  And I had this urge then the fellow freedom from the the one
• 1:15:23
  movie, the Braveheart. Oh yeah, freedom.
• 1:15:31
  I know not doing it though because I didn't want to disturb
• 1:15:35
  everyone there, but I had a very big wanting to do that after
• 1:15:45
  that but. Wow.
• 1:15:49
  Yeah, I would do that. And just still going on the
• 1:15:55
  journey through the realms and I got to the point where I was
• 1:16:02
  almost at a raid because I was starting to hear the song
• 1:16:08
  Satisfaction by Benny Benazi. Yeah.
• 1:16:13
  You're familiar with that song? Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  But I was thank you playing that in my mind at one point.
• 1:16:27
  And also think about life and death and our view of death.
• 1:16:37
  So I'm also pretty big with the movie Avatar and the Nahi
• 1:16:42
  people. And the way they talk about is
• 1:16:48
  the the century of soul and energy and that we're all part
• 1:16:57
  of Mother Earth. But in there, it's a law, and
• 1:17:04
  they talk about how AWA holds their children and loves them
• 1:17:08
  deeply, that all energy is only borrowed and one day has to be
• 1:17:17
  returned back to AWA. And I also started thinking that
• 1:17:26
  that's essentially a process that returned this energy so
• 1:17:31
  that new life is able to be born into the world.
• 1:17:39
  And it's actually. Recycling the, the cyclical
• 1:17:44
  aspect of it is, yeah, it's. And the more the honor their
• 1:17:50
  life and tell stories and honor them.
• 1:17:56
  And I just almost give thanks that at that point that we have
• 1:18:03
  new people coming into life to be to be able to experience
• 1:18:08
  life. And I mean, dad still sad to
• 1:18:15
  lose a loved one and that, but to be able to tell stories and
• 1:18:22
  honor to life. This means that you're a big
• 1:18:27
  part of the life and you'll be able to hold on to that and.
• 1:18:33
  Yeah. Honor them that way, which I
• 1:18:38
  have my ways to honor people that I have lost, which I
• 1:18:46
  actually saw some of them through that too, being my
• 1:18:49
  cousin and my grandpa, you know, being the most recent one that
• 1:18:56
  passed away then. So the thing about my father is
• 1:19:06
  I don't speak to him or anything.
• 1:19:09
  He essentially disowned all of his kids and essentially pushed
• 1:19:15
  us away and he wants to get back into a life, but he wants us to
• 1:19:26
  admit that we were in the wrong on everything that happened.
• 1:19:32
  We have a law. Have them talk to us again.
• 1:19:36
  Wow. But there was some chippers talk
• 1:19:45
  about too at some point. But I essentially felt the need
• 1:19:50
  to permanently cut the bond to him and sent him on his own
• 1:19:58
  journey to heal and stuff if he ever goes on it.
• 1:20:06
  And I can't say you will, but. It's his journey, right?
• 1:20:11
  It's, it's, it's everybody else. It's, you know, everybody has to
• 1:20:15
  go on their own journey. Yeah, but I cut the bond
• 1:20:19
  completely and sent him on his journey.
• 1:20:25
  But I was just hopefully in this lifetime when he was able to
• 1:20:36
  fully heal and everything to be able to reconnect and start
• 1:20:42
  having a connection and bond again.
• 1:20:48
  But it was essentially cutting those bonds at or just extremely
• 1:20:56
  toxic to you, even if they're family and blood to you.
• 1:21:04
  Man, that is, that's such a critical thing, you know, to,
• 1:21:11
  to, to embrace. And it's tough.
• 1:21:13
  It's like the hardest thing. It's the hardest thing, I think
• 1:21:17
  for a lot of us, for anybody really to, to, to embrace or
• 1:21:23
  accept the fact that sometimes you just got to sever ties,
• 1:21:30
  right? Sometimes the healing process
• 1:21:32
  means that you need to let go. And why do we hold on to things
• 1:21:38
  for so long? You're right.
• 1:21:40
  I, I think maybe that's because of this feeling of
• 1:21:43
  comfortability. It's familiar, even if it hurts
• 1:21:47
  us, it's familiar to us. And so we therefore, because
• 1:21:51
  it's familiar, there's a degree of comfortability that we want
• 1:21:56
  to hold onto because it's, it's easy.
• 1:21:58
  It's, it's again, it's, it's familiar.
• 1:22:00
  We're comfortable. And even if it's painful, yeah.
• 1:22:06
  And we hold on to that. And, and, and the the toughest
• 1:22:09
  thing is, is to to realize that that's not doing us any good.
• 1:22:15
  Yeah, and the other one is the forgive someone that my first
• 1:22:23
  happy experience actually forgave my uncle and cousin
• 1:22:34
  because they sexually molested me when I was a kid.
• 1:22:39
  I'm sorry and and I don't talk about it much.
• 1:22:47
  I'll actually be making a very old talking about all that for
• 1:22:52
  the community that I was the part of that I just have this
• 1:22:58
  calling the do that and feel it would help fill in some stuff
• 1:23:04
  around me because I'm not extremely talkative or anything
• 1:23:10
  to begin with. I'm more of an observer, but at
• 1:23:15
  the end they, they could see the change in me and it was awesome.
• 1:23:22
  But yeah, it was just a, it's all a bad part of life at a very
• 1:23:31
  young age and had to grow up very quick.
• 1:23:36
  And there's a lot of other stuff that happened as I was growing
• 1:23:43
  up and what not, but there's a whole another discussion to talk
• 1:23:49
  about that. Yeah, Nah, man, you know, but I
• 1:23:51
  think that the the experience for you from the sounds of it,
• 1:23:55
  and thank you for by the way, just let me just say like you,
• 1:23:58
  you've shared so much and you've been so talkative and you've
• 1:24:00
  given so much. You've painted such a beautiful
• 1:24:03
  picture about this, this experience in Ecuador.
• 1:24:06
  And I, I have to say, as a listener, as an observer myself,
• 1:24:11
  hearing your story, it sounds like the, the, the journey to
• 1:24:17
  healing for you like this was there were there, there there
• 1:24:22
  wasn't anything else that could have replaced this experience.
• 1:24:25
  You couldn't have done this any other way.
• 1:24:28
  No. Yeah, no, you know, that's,
• 1:24:35
  that's amazing. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's
• 1:24:37
  wild, man. Like, thank you so much for for
• 1:24:41
  talking about it and, and and sharing all this with us.
• 1:24:44
  I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:48
  So then after that I also did Navi greeting all negati Camille
• 1:25:00
  fingers to the head. The Navi for I see you like, not
• 1:25:08
  just in person, like the energy soul and everything.
• 1:25:14
  Yeah. And there was a couple of times
• 1:25:19
  I actually had to come back to my physical body because it was
• 1:25:24
  I was warm at 1st and then I got a little cold, but haphazardly
• 1:25:30
  trying to pull my sleeping bag on me to stay warm.
• 1:25:35
  And it was just interesting because if they got it on just
• 1:25:41
  my arm went limp again. And then I had a mosquito bite
• 1:25:46
  me on my forehead and brought a hand up to slap it and then
• 1:25:52
  almost took it as a sign to almost focus on the mind and the
• 1:25:58
  that the mind chakra. At that point I had to keep my
• 1:26:03
  head on my head for a little while.
• 1:26:10
  Then there was a lot of a lot more laughs and everything.
• 1:26:17
  And then I, Ranchi came back too, and I just saw the ceiling
• 1:26:24
  a little bit and I started feeling how connected everyone
• 1:26:30
  knew was. Duh.
• 1:26:32
  Everyone else at that moment then eventually sat up.
• 1:26:41
  It took a moment and I think it might have been Nicholas that
• 1:26:48
  started playing one of his instruments.
• 1:26:53
  I just kind of enjoying all that and took a drink of water and
• 1:27:00
  up, closing my eyes again for that.
• 1:27:04
  Then I just went to another dimension again because it just
• 1:27:11
  felt like I was drinking from Mother Nature's source of water.
• 1:27:18
  That was, yeah. Then felt like I was drinking it
• 1:27:20
  from my water bottle and I was like coming from a source.
• 1:27:28
  Then I was just sitting there, just.
• 1:27:32
  I was like, at that moment I was getting blessed from being
• 1:27:36
  rebirthed at that point, singing and everything.
• 1:27:43
  Then once that part was over, 9 up, having to get up to use the
• 1:27:50
  bathroom. And that in itself took a moment
• 1:27:56
  because you're just all over the place.
• 1:28:01
  You don't have much balance or anything and there are people
• 1:28:05
  there. If you do need help, they'll
• 1:28:08
  help you get to where you need to and whatnot.
• 1:28:12
  They do have a toilet up there at you.
• 1:28:16
  They had to use that you can. There was a designated spot for
• 1:28:23
  puking if you were for purging or for the guys that they just
• 1:28:28
  had to take a piss right But got over there I.
• 1:28:37
  Think. One of the guys is trying to
• 1:28:39
  make trying to find out who it was and then so it was me and
• 1:28:45
  asked if I was OK and I was. I just had to use the bathroom
• 1:28:51
  at that point. But on the way there I saw the
• 1:28:56
  fire and it's it's still dark out.
• 1:29:01
  That just really caught my attention walking past and while
• 1:29:09
  I was using the bathroom that drifted off again.
• 1:29:16
  It was almost like all the negativity and everything was
• 1:29:21
  just leaving my body as I was taking a whiz what not.
• 1:29:27
  And that actually made the Taita.
• 1:29:32
  And they'll laugh a little bit, but I told them about that.
• 1:29:38
  Then I went back and stood by the fire for a while, and at
• 1:29:44
  first there was like the warm heartbeat of Mother Earth there.
• 1:29:52
  Then when I was looking into it more, no, it looked like there
• 1:29:59
  was the depths of hell from which I was almost like climbing
• 1:30:06
  out of because the way that the word and everything was
• 1:30:12
  possession and how everything looked in that moment.
• 1:30:16
  It was like the pits of hell and the the rocks and everything to
• 1:30:21
  claim out and to get you know. And after a little bit there is
• 1:30:29
  something on the top side that caught fire and was an actual
• 1:30:34
  flame. And at first I thought it was
• 1:30:40
  again my old self just kind of burning away the usher and the
• 1:30:47
  rebirth. And after I saw that is when the
• 1:30:55
  medicine was done and I actually went to go purge at that point
• 1:31:05
  and came back and said by a fire for a while.
• 1:31:10
  And at that point I was just sending love and healing to
• 1:31:15
  everyone else still on the journey and that if people are
• 1:31:20
  still aware and whatnot. But because of giving out hugs
• 1:31:24
  and that and it was later when I was thinking about that fire
• 1:31:31
  that started kind of more like the Highland song Eldon Sir and
• 1:31:39
  being purified through Fire you. Know, yeah.
• 1:31:45
  There was kind of central like that, that I was being purified
• 1:31:49
  through the fire. Then I was all back to my spot.
• 1:31:56
  It was the necklace that we got and if you wanted all this stuff
• 1:32:02
  blessed by Taita, that was given to him beforehand.
• 1:32:07
  And it was at that point that he was starting to bless all the
• 1:32:11
  necklaces and everything and kind of wanted Devil in present
• 1:32:14
  for that. So he he did that and the people
• 1:32:22
  that they felt needed to be cleansed again, they bought them
• 1:32:27
  up and went through all that. And we were allowed to go back
• 1:32:33
  to sleep with what we wanted to do with the rest of the time.
• 1:32:41
  Yeah, just kind of started again in the morning.
• 1:32:45
  We got off kind of cleaned up, had the breakfast and with that
• 1:32:52
  one Taita and Alex stayed and had everyone briefly talk
• 1:33:02
  through their experience and everything and would give their
• 1:33:10
  wisdom and thoughts around what might have happened or so that
• 1:33:16
  they can do in that. Then very packed up everything
• 1:33:27
  and went back down to main area again and didn't really have
• 1:33:35
  much else to do for us tonight. We were just allowed to rest and
• 1:33:38
  everything. And then, yeah, Friday we're
• 1:33:47
  doing some more integration stuff for the final things and
• 1:33:54
  whatnot. And Friday night we actually had
• 1:34:01
  some chicha, the type of fermented drink that was
• 1:34:06
  alcoholic and started off with one of those jugs again, the
• 1:34:14
  clay jugs that was full of it. It was 2 separate ones that he
• 1:34:21
  had. One was kind of typical stuff
• 1:34:25
  and the other one that he brought out later was a little
• 1:34:30
  better tasting. 1, but I don't know how much could fit into
• 1:34:37
  that jugger. We had that and a whole 5 gallon
• 1:34:41
  water jug like one one of those Big Blue ones from the water
• 1:34:47
  fountain. Right.
• 1:34:50
  One of those was falling. We had that one down a couple
• 1:34:57
  inches from the bottom and granted we had to add more water
• 1:35:02
  to it and I think we finished off the other one and I know I
• 1:35:12
  was feeling it and we were playing songs and singing and
• 1:35:21
  that was more the entertainment I was doing.
• 1:35:25
  What I like to do and dancing and that and kind of just got
• 1:35:32
  really opened up and. Yeah.
• 1:35:37
  That's. Great man, that sounds like such
• 1:35:39
  a wholesome experience from the beginning of arriving,
• 1:35:44
  grounding, setting your intention, getting in the
• 1:35:47
  headspace, really connecting with one spirit and and the the
• 1:35:55
  purpose of this retreat and then being served the medicine,
• 1:36:01
  receiving the things that the medicine has to give, each in
• 1:36:05
  your own ways. And then like you said, that
• 1:36:08
  integration right in that sort of decompression, coming back
• 1:36:13
  from it all and sharing in that communal celebration, you know,
• 1:36:17
  a little light heartedness, dancing, music, libations.
• 1:36:24
  It sounds like a wonderful, wonderful experience.
• 1:36:29
  It was quite amazing to have been there.
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  And he actually plans to open up two more weeks on that.
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  One wouldn't have medicine with it.
• 1:36:47
  It would be more getting integrated and everything kind
• 1:36:52
  as being a community for the week and the other one would
• 1:36:58
  actually be deeper into the forest and more century feral is
• 1:37:11
  we we were had we actually had and at the very least was
• 1:37:16
  plastic on the windows. But at this place it's only
• 1:37:21
  mosquito Nets, very basic and you would have to have a lot
• 1:37:30
  more mobility because there'll be a lot walking and stuff
• 1:37:34
  involved and. All right, now I have a question
• 1:37:38
  real quick about what it, what it, what was it like for you to,
• 1:37:46
  you know, come back to where you live, right?
• 1:37:51
  Return back to the United States and continue on in your
• 1:37:58
  day-to-day stuff. Right after having Journey to
• 1:38:03
  another Country, shared in the cultural experience, the
• 1:38:08
  traditional medicine of another culture, and being given this
• 1:38:11
  gift, they've given this blessing, given this experience,
• 1:38:15
  What was it like for you to take all of that back home and how
• 1:38:20
  has that experience helped you going forward since you got
• 1:38:27
  back? No, it was kind of hard to right
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  back in my normal day-to-day life, especially coming from
• 1:38:38
  where it was warm back to the cold.
• 1:38:41
  Right. Yeah.
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  But yes, it is kind of hard to say no partially rounded food.
• 1:39:01
  Before each time we ate, we would actually sit there and
• 1:39:08
  thank the people and the process of everything of where the food
• 1:39:13
  actually came from and to give that thanks to them for work
• 1:39:19
  fields and everything because they don't use machinery or
• 1:39:23
  anything. And they're even on deep
• 1:39:26
  mountains. What not planting the produce
• 1:39:33
  and all that. So you just have the things in
• 1:39:38
  mind and every time we eat and after you try and know like even
• 1:39:47
  now where your food and everything comes from, even the
• 1:39:54
  marijuana and other stuff like the Co found tribe, it actually
• 1:40:03
  protects the the plants and that and very.
• 1:40:12
  Protective on who goes into the area and everything too and just
• 1:40:21
  very well the earth centered. Just trying to keep it as pure
• 1:40:28
  as possible. I guess I was curious, you know,
• 1:40:34
  like in, in the sense of, you know, you, you, you go to
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  Ecuador and, and you experience all of this really amazing, you
• 1:40:41
  know, medicine, the, the, the, the community, the, the, the
• 1:40:45
  drum, like all of the things and that they, it's all medicine.
• 1:40:48
  Like it. We, we could say that the plant
• 1:40:49
  medicine is the medicine, but then the community is medicine.
• 1:40:52
  The music is medicine. The right, all of it is, is
• 1:40:55
  medicine for different parts of the self, different parts of the
• 1:40:58
  soul of spirit, what have you, whatever you want to label it.
• 1:41:02
  And I was just curious because it sounds like these are things
• 1:41:05
  that can go with you, the lessons, the, the, the medicine
• 1:41:09
  that you receive in Ecuador doesn't stay in Ecuador there.
• 1:41:12
  It goes with you, right? And it goes with the people
• 1:41:15
  wherever they go. So it was, it was more of a
• 1:41:18
  question of like, you know, how did the experience, how did the
• 1:41:20
  healing that you experience there?
• 1:41:23
  How did you carry that with you? And how has that gone with you
• 1:41:26
  up to this point? Because this was back in
• 1:41:28
  February where you know, when this airs, it'll be in April.
• 1:41:34
  Over the last several months, you know, how has the healing,
• 1:41:39
  the medicine, all of that that you received, how has that gone
• 1:41:43
  with you? How has that helped you?
• 1:41:45
  If you can say I. Suppose that I went down there
• 1:41:52
  is being able to accept the love and it was being closer to the
• 1:41:58
  people that actually matter more to me and not really so much
• 1:42:06
  given the time of energy to people that don't really deserve
• 1:42:10
  it. And just having a distract and
• 1:42:17
  gratitude for what I have and just day-to-day life and just
• 1:42:29
  continuing with the healing and staying within that community.
• 1:42:35
  We I'm still talking to the people that I met there.
• 1:42:41
  Yeah. And I'm actually going to see
• 1:42:45
  some of them again at the Hilong ritual in Sweden.
• 1:42:51
  I'll actually be going to that one in August.
• 1:42:54
  That's fantastic. You'll have to come back on the
• 1:42:57
  show when you come back from that and tell us about it if you
• 1:43:01
  want. Yes, that'll be interesting
• 1:43:04
  itself cause some of my people from my tribe will be there,
• 1:43:08
  some from the community. There's going to be a week after
• 1:43:13
  my birthday. Oh wow, awesome.
• 1:43:16
  I also have heritage from Sweden.
• 1:43:22
  I'm actually descending from King Olaf.
• 1:43:25
  Yeah, yeah. That's awesome.
• 1:43:29
  That's pretty wild that you can trace your ancestry back there.
• 1:43:31
  That's that's, that's really cool, man.
• 1:43:33
  My aunt was able to, she did a lot of that work, but we come
• 1:43:38
  from a lot of kings and Queens, so all of our stuff was well
• 1:43:45
  written down and preserved and she was able to go extremely way
• 1:43:51
  back. Wow.
• 1:43:54
  This was like around 500 AD or less.
• 1:44:01
  There's a chance to that descended from Ragnar and Rolo
• 1:44:08
  as well. I do a little more digging into
• 1:44:13
  that aspect, but and I'm in Wisconsin right now and my early
• 1:44:25
  ancestors were part of the first settlers of Wisconsin.
• 1:44:30
  Yeah. Wild stuff, man.
• 1:44:34
  Very cool. I really appreciate you coming
• 1:44:37
  on here and telling us all about this.
• 1:44:41
  You know, if anything, hearing other people's story, you know
• 1:44:47
  we all have a story to tell. For sure.
• 1:44:51
  Not a lot of people get a chance to tell it, you know what I
• 1:44:53
  mean? There's a lot of people that
• 1:44:55
  have really amazing things to share with their experiences and
• 1:45:01
  it's OK to not share, you know, it's, it's perfectly fine to
• 1:45:04
  keep things close to the heart and close, you know, out of the
• 1:45:08
  public eye or whatever. But I, I, I want to commend you
• 1:45:11
  for first of all, reaching out and asking to come on the show
• 1:45:14
  to talk about these things because it does.
• 1:45:16
  I think it gives the listeners and the viewers a perspective
• 1:45:22
  of, you know, what's out there and, and you know, we're all
• 1:45:27
  people, We're all, we're all individuals.
• 1:45:29
  We're all going through our own things.
• 1:45:31
  But just like with you going to Ecuador and, you know, being
• 1:45:35
  introduced to people from all corners of the globe, all areas
• 1:45:39
  of the world, you're, you're also going through something
• 1:45:44
  together. So we are all in a way, you
• 1:45:49
  know, there's this intertwining aspect of things.
• 1:45:51
  And when we come on a podcast, we come on a, a platform and we
• 1:45:54
  talk about things like this, people that listen and watch get
• 1:45:56
  a chance to feel a connection in a way and realize, Hey, I'm
• 1:46:01
  going through something and what Beaver said or what Jesse said
• 1:46:03
  or what whoever said is so relative to what I'm going
• 1:46:07
  through, like they can relate to it.
• 1:46:09
  So I, I, I want to commend you and thank you again for coming
• 1:46:12
  on here and talking because I really think that it'll help,
• 1:46:15
  you know, shed a light on people's experiences and, and
• 1:46:20
  give them a sense of feeling like they belong to something
• 1:46:23
  that is bigger than themselves and not feel alone with it all.
• 1:46:27
  At least that's what I hope, You know, I, I hope for things like
• 1:46:29
  this to, to contribute in that sort of way.
• 1:46:32
  Yeah, contribute, expand does not everyone has people to talk
• 1:46:38
  to that actually understand or even interested in listening to
• 1:46:46
  what they might be going through or anything like that.
• 1:46:53
  Yeah, you're not alone. I just, I haven't found people
• 1:46:58
  that I can relate with and talk to and share stuff like this.
• 1:47:10
  That's, that's, that's great, man.
• 1:47:11
  I'm happy that you have that and and that you've been able to
• 1:47:13
  find your people to connect with and to share with these sort of
• 1:47:17
  things because we all need that. You know, everybody there's, I
• 1:47:20
  talked to plenty of people who are, who are, who feel so like
• 1:47:25
  isolated, you know, and solitary because they they choose to be
• 1:47:29
  solitary or they choose to, you know, whatever the whatever
• 1:47:33
  their life is or whatever, however it you know, kind of a
• 1:47:38
  is, is molded in their, in their, in their framework of
• 1:47:41
  things is, is isolated. It's, it's solitary.
• 1:47:44
  And so they look, they're like, well, who can I talk to?
• 1:47:48
  How can I talk to when I'm like, it's a choice.
• 1:47:50
  You got to you got to put yourself out there.
• 1:47:52
  You've got to talk to people, you've got to find, you know,
• 1:47:55
  find a way or make a way it you know, there's, there's work
• 1:48:01
  involved with it. And sometimes that work is, is
• 1:48:04
  going to show you things that are tough to learn, but that's
• 1:48:10
  part of it. That's part of the process.
• 1:48:13
  That's part of healing. It's.
• 1:48:15
  Part of healing, right? And, you know, it's trusting the
• 1:48:18
  process Is, is, is is tough, you know, especially when it hurts
• 1:48:23
  and especially when it's tough. But yeah.
• 1:48:27
  It was when I started a job that I'm at now, actually met a guy
• 1:48:34
  there that he actually had a Kindred that I'm actually a part
• 1:48:40
  of now. And he's the yowl of the kindred
• 1:48:47
  and it's called the Iron Wolves. We're actually a sub kindred,
• 1:48:54
  the Wolves of the North. And the Chieftain is actually
• 1:48:59
  down in Florida right now. He had to go down there for
• 1:49:02
  work, but he's actually made me his Thane of the Iron Wolves I
• 1:49:14
  was. And we're always looking for
• 1:49:17
  more people to join us too. And they have people from all
• 1:49:23
  over, part of Wolves of the North.
• 1:49:28
  But main spot that we usually meet up as in Waterford, WI, OK.
• 1:49:36
  But some of the other events is that by y'all's horse, which is
• 1:49:43
  in Greenfield over by Milwaukee. OK.
• 1:49:48
  But yeah, I get to work with the oral and his brother works there
• 1:49:55
  now too and he's the Co founder of that kindred.
• 1:50:03
  And we actually created a great heathen alliance with some other
• 1:50:08
  kindreds. There's one that's all by
• 1:50:13
  Madison, Sale, Alva or Seven Rivers, one's in Indiana and
• 1:50:22
  threat with the other wanted 2 or but.
• 1:50:28
  That's good. And I'm glad to hear that
• 1:50:29
  there's people doing things to kind of confederate or a lot,
• 1:50:32
  you know, I mean, like build this larger group, you know,
• 1:50:34
  connection, a network, as it were.
• 1:50:41
  And so there's that one listening around this area,
• 1:50:46
  Whatnot is actually wanting to Kindred to join Whatnot.
• 1:50:52
  They now know of 1 and we're quite opening.
• 1:50:55
  We're got several different views.
• 1:51:03
  We actually have a Christian in our Kindred.
• 1:51:10
  Imagine that. Yeah.
• 1:51:14
  But and he's got different views than the normal Christian if you
• 1:51:20
  would see understands where we come from as well and alls views
• 1:51:27
  that there is the one true being and everyone sees that in a
• 1:51:33
  different way. Yeah, I get that.
• 1:51:40
  Well, yeah, if you have anything that you want to send me, you
• 1:51:43
  know, you got my e-mail. So if there's any like, you
• 1:51:45
  know, social media or website, you know, information that I can
• 1:51:49
  share for the listeners of this show when it airs, you know,
• 1:51:53
  people check your, you know, podcast show notes or
• 1:51:57
  description, area of the video, whatever.
• 1:51:58
  However, you're catching this, if there's anything that Beaver
• 1:52:02
  here has to, to share with, you know, that area, Wisconsin
• 1:52:09
  things that are going on, you know, man, check, send it, send
• 1:52:13
  it to me and I'll and I'll add it here to the to the podcast
• 1:52:15
  show notes the way people can connect and and find places,
• 1:52:20
  because I'm sure this will reach to to to that area too, or
• 1:52:24
  they'll know people in those areas and they'll point in that
• 1:52:27
  direction. So be happy to network that way.
• 1:52:34
  But I do want to thank you, Beaver.
• 1:52:36
  I'm going to wrap things up here tonight.
• 1:52:38
  Just hang on for a second while I kind of sign people off here.
• 1:52:42
  Did you? Did you get a chance to say
• 1:52:44
  everything about your experience that you had hoped to share on
• 1:52:48
  this show? Yeah.
• 1:52:51
  Yeah, I do feel like it was a lot, man.
• 1:52:53
  And it was great to sit here and just listen to you retell it and
• 1:52:57
  revisit it. So thank you again very much for
• 1:53:00
  for that. Thank you for the opportunity.
• 1:53:04
  Yeah, absolutely. And I, yeah, I said, like I said
• 1:53:07
  before, we'll have to have you back again after your, your trip
• 1:53:10
  to Sweden, seeing Highland later this year.
• 1:53:13
  So keep in touch with me and we'll, we'll, we'll plan
• 1:53:16
  something when you come back. That's going to be their last
• 1:53:22
  ritual too, and. I know it's a bitter sweet sort
• 1:53:25
  of thing, hearing about it, right?
• 1:53:26
  Like they deserve the break. They deserve the rest.
• 1:53:28
  They need to, you know, regroup and recuperate and I and I feel
• 1:53:33
  that everyone that gets a chance to see them at that is is
• 1:53:36
  blessed and fortunate to to be able to you included so.
• 1:53:42
  Yeah, Kai's got recharge. There's energy and connection.
• 1:53:48
  The Mother Earth and that too. Yeah.
• 1:53:52
  Travelling so much? Yeah, they've been hitting it.
• 1:53:55
  They've been hitting it hard for for many years now.
• 1:53:57
  So they deserve that break. Yeah, there's also a practicing
• 1:54:01
  shaman for a second is due stupid it's actually recharged
• 1:54:09
  for. Sure.
• 1:54:11
  Yeah. Well, we love that and we
• 1:54:14
  respect that so. For sure.
• 1:54:17
  Look forward to, to seeing more from them and after, after the
• 1:54:20
  right time. So thank you again, Beaver, for
• 1:54:24
  coming on the show. Look forward to having you back
• 1:54:26
  and, and, and appreciate all that you're sharing.
• 1:54:29
  So for everybody that's listened to this and watch this, hope you
• 1:54:31
  enjoyed it. It was a bit of a long one.
• 1:54:32
  And we did have some technical bits that, as you saw at the
• 1:54:36
  beginning of the show, we had a kind of reshift, but we found a
• 1:54:38
  way. We, we, we, we made it something
• 1:54:40
  that is not traditional to the show.
• 1:54:42
  It doesn't have the same feel from like the visual, you know,
• 1:54:46
  or even audio experience probably is going to be a little
• 1:54:48
  bit different. However, you made it this far
• 1:54:51
  and you've listened or watched this whole thing and we
• 1:54:53
  appreciate that. We, we, we figure things out as
• 1:54:56
  we go. That's that's life.
• 1:54:59
  So lessons learned and and we move forward.
• 1:55:01
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• 1:55:03
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• 1:55:30
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• 1:55:34
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