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- Deion: Wasn't some some some some couple type stuff that that had some significance. You know what I mean? Like y'all was able to do it, dude are y'all able to normally do it? M: Yeah, my kid's grown. If we really want, we could move out a little bit. Jhalil: Okay. Deion: It was always like that. M: No, not when he was younger. Jhalil: Yeah, that's how our shit is now, man. We gotta plan everything to the T, bro. Like that shit we gotta set up a month two in advance. Hit our folks, keep checking back, make sure they don't forget. So our shit a little it's a little different. We got the young kids, bro. One of one of our kids fifteen, we about to be fifteen. One of ⁓ about to be nine and then the other one just turned two. So you feel we damn near just started over. M: Yeah. That too. Yeah, that too. That too is holding things back. It's that two. Jhalil: Bro, bro, right. You know exactly how it is. I'm like, damn, like. Deion: So so this jaw this jaw mix something for y'all to Jhalil: ⁓ yeah, for sure, nigga. You alright, man. All we be doing is going to work, bro. Like we be cool. We we Yeah, it was just me and own wifey or whatever, man. We've been married for eleven years. Like, so you mean look, so it's like, you know, our shit be a little like we go to work. We'd do some shit, go out and, you know, but it don't be the same. Like, man, we grew to the point, like we did all the other shit, like, so it's like now M: Yeah. They would just join. Just ⁓ Right. Jhalil: The real go out is when we able to fly out somewhere, go do something real quick. Like, you know. So yeah, that was a good job, and it definitely meant something, bro. M: Yeah, it shit different than mine. See, I w my family, we all went. Jhalil: Okay. M: Yeah we Deion: Do you think when you when you get with the kids that age that it become all of it? Like your anniversary is celebrated with the whole family. M: No, that was a graduation gift at the same time. Yeah. Deion: Okay. It made it make sense. Okay. Yeah. ⁓ Jhalil: Okay. Okay. M: Yeah, it it would mean something. It'd be a lot different if it was just us two. That's all quality time. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: That's what I'm saying. You'll need that or you'll think about it. M: Yeah, you need you need no you need you always need that. You need your time just y'all to. You ain't gotta worry about next kids in the next room and stuff like that. Deion: Yeah, yeah. Jhalil: Yeah. Real right. Especially when you got little kids, bro. That's it, man. ⁓ my God. My daughter know how unlock the door. Everything. I'm like, yo, you your man ain't bustin', do whatever. So everything gotta be, your man, shit gotta be on point, bro. Like, niggas gotta make sure heads in beds. Like, real right. M: Yeah. Deion: They could come sleep right in the middle of your M: Hey, right. Deion: Okay. M: Even even even when the hairs in bed, you still can't do what you want to 'cause Especially got a little girl, that junk like no. Jhalil: Well right. So Bro said, bro, gotta take your talents on the road. M: Yeah. Jhalil: That's what's up, man. Like congratulations to them too, man, for their graduation and all that, bro. That's what's up. M: Right, point, thank. Jhalil: So sad ⁓ Deion: Word. How y'all feel about being on bedtime, Blood? Jhalil: What you mean as far as being a dad, like what? M: What you mean by that? Deion: Like y'all ended that good that y'all don't even think like yo so what you mean by that? You on bed ⁓ right? M: What you mean, old man? Jhalil: Yeah, nigga, but that's what I'm saying. Like he trying to hit us with the trick questions. Deion: Like I I don't know, like I knew I do I do both of y'all for I do bikes as ⁓ two, three, ⁓ one. So it's like M: Nigga. Nigga, ⁓ you can't move in death. Deion: Yeah, yeah, I did come over in the tempt. So yeah. So I knew you since a young like we we was young boys, so we on man time and we don't get to talk about that. So I'm asking like how that shit feel, you know what I mean? Like I don't be wanting a adult all the time. M: You don't. Deion: And that's what I mean, like so to be on man time is like, you know, you you deal with you deal with life, like you serious, you know what I mean? Like when we probably get together we'll laugh, but like y'all every day Jhalil: Yeah, we need the example, bro. M: No. Deion: I know it don't be in the M: It's not every day. I'm a I'm I I'm a I'm a dad, but I'm all I'm also like a a kid with my kids as one at moments. So it ain't just all men. Like my daughter, I play with her sometimes, do little little kid stuff. Still play the games with my boys. It's like it ain't all men, man. Man, this this strict ass Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: But the the number one thing about what you saying is like you got kids, you doing it with you was the kid at the point with no responsibilities, no like your risk taking pride was higher. You know what I mean? Like, so no matter what we doing, like playing wise and doing enjoying life, that don't take it away, right? But you like we in a different mindset now, like you know what I'm saying? Like. M: Right, right. Deion: You can play the game with him, but you it you ain't gonna play too many games with him when it comes to serious stuff. You get what I'm saying? Like and at a time we ain't fandom like being in that space. Like when we was young boys, we was running around doing whatever, we was bored, we was learning, we was experimenting, like you get what I'm saying? And now we at the age where it's like, you know, we on that other side. You know what I'm saying? Like we make decisions accordingly. Like I can't be drawing out this joint with all the skinnies and this and that, bringing them all to my crib and it like no. My kids live with me, you feel me? Like at the time, you know, we had the party house, you feel me? Like bachelor shit, like, you know what I mean? So As men I don't I don't feel like, you know, when we get together it's like, damn, how you? Whatever, and it'd be, you know, I'm good. But we don't really be like, you know, talking about that shit like Like for real, you feel me? And you know, but when you talk to the guys for real, it's like, no, I be needing this. Like, cause even that, you don't hang with the bros and all that no more. Like, you feel me? That we played space two weeks ago. That's probably the first time we seen each other in a minute. You feel me? So we all we on man time. We know each other doing. M: Right. Deion: our responsibilities and accountabilities. You feel me? And not even all of us. Cause some of some of us might take playing a game for two like they still back then. And and they not on man time, you feel me? Like M: Yeah. Deion: I was just watching a podcast and the young boys was like, No, there's a lot of bros out here that's like getting taken care of by women and I'm like, Damn. Like so it put me in the mindset, like they must be like chilling, playing a game, like doing stuff that like I guess they used to do or whatever, like you feel me too. M: Yeah. Jhalil: Mm. Mm mm, bro. I I don't know. Like, I feel like at this stage though, like, or you know, the man shit and like it just come with the territory, bro. It's like it seemed like once you it's the same thing, bro. Like once you or say for instance, right, once a motherfucker get on some gangster shit, bro, you gotta come it whatever come with it, that's what you want, bro. And it's the same thing with being the father. Like, once you Inherit a family. Once you create a family, it's your job to just be on some shit. So it's like, I don't like I don't take it as no like, damn, I do wish I could do this and do that. But at the same time, sometimes I do wanna just chill with my niggas. You feel me? Sometimes I do wanna just slide out and you know, go with different country just with my niggas and all that. But it's a different ball game now. You feel me? And it just comes with the territory, bro. And then plus it's like When you got a real partner, it's like, nah, bro, I ain't even about to you know, I ain't about to cause no static and my shit. And that's another part of being a man. So yeah, it get hard. You know, it get hard being serious and and like fighting temptation and different shit like that. But it's like, bro, this what niggas signed up for, dog. So it's like, ain't no complaining now. That's how I look at it, bro. Like, cause if I still wanted to do all that, be a hoe run around, you know? I'll be like, no, I ain't gonna be married, you feel me? But it's like M: Right. Jhalil: Hey man. How you how you see it, bro? Yeah. M: See the same way when it's I don't know. I is is this I don't really see no like I don't I'm a dad. I never seen a crazy transition. And no, don't get me wrong, it is moments I'm more serious than what I used to be. But it's it don't seem like a big transition. It's just life. Deion: Yeah yeah. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Like the maturity. M: Like it just it just yeah, it just part of growing. Like when you was five, I mean nine, you weren't the same when you was five, and vice versa, ain't you're not just grown, just maturing. Every day we learn different different steps. Deion: But see, in a world that we didn't design or control or dictate, it's been a dictation to it, like you feel me, and a whole ideology on a setup of how it should be. And you know, traditional things probably was taken away from us and we are where we are. So I understand looking at it from the space where we are where we are. You get me, and you accept them what it is. And so one of our biggest draws, right, was the rites of passage. Meaning like you ⁓ you you elevate from one age to the next. And there's a and there's a transition there that takes away the previous stuff. You feel me? So it's M: Right. Deion: It's no wonder like guys at our age is still at the at the boom box. That's a Deli and Logan. And they still hanging out like they twenty. You feel me? Even though they bodies telling them like it ain't the same. They ain't go through that rites of passage to allow them to like elevate properly. You feel what I'm saying? So I do agree, like You know, we are moving. You know what I mean? Like and and that's a part of our evolving. Like from embryo in in your mom all the way even from, you know, the sperm out your dead to where we are in life now. You feel what I'm saying? That that's all evolving, like and shit, we don't know, you know, anything before us. We could have still been evolving from previous, like. You know what I mean? Like we just don't know, but that's neither here or there. The point I was trying to make was like we definitely evolve and like and I agree, man, like I don't like this whole thing of like your life gotta come with like a like a s you know I mean like be married some people be like you gotta be married by twenty-five and career and this and that. And you know for most of us our life ain't the fuck like that. You get what I'm saying? Like niggas 40 year olds working at McDonald's cause Maybe they made some poor decisions. I don't fucking know, but it's like it it definitely ain't By ages and shit like that. You get what I'm saying? Like 'cause M: Right, your time is your time. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: Right, and you don't got no control over it. Like we ain't even asked to be here. I always M: But I think we I kind of think we got, we got, we don't got, we got choices, I think. I don't I we don't got control over them over the choices, but we got choices, left or right. Like it's a many times we done went through shit, you done like, damn, should I do this? And you question yourself, do you do or do you don't? That's a choice we all we all have. Do I jump into Johnny with him? Back when you're the pup, do I jump into Johnny or do I just say, No, I ain't fucking with y'all right now. We all make decisions. So we got choices, and we just gotta live for them choices. Deion: not that sure about that like M: You don't think that Deion: It's like I had it I ch I chose, right? You chose to comment on on our on our on our post. For whatever reason, right? You call that your choice. M: Right. Yeah. Deion: Right? But like how we got all together and did all of this is like you can say that's by choice, but like like I just said, you didn't ask to be here. M: Right. Jhalil: ⁓ so you saying like certain shit just happened, like it just like certain shit just meant to happen and it happened. That's what you saying, basically. Deion: Like you're being No, I'm saying like you know how like you know your kids? Cause like they came out of you, right? So the cell membrane, all of these different cells and everything unite to make a child, right? You feel like you know that child, you put into that child, right? You sometimes parents say, I know what you about to do before you even about to do it. M: Yeah. Right. Deion: You see what I'm saying? And if if it if it's the God thing, right, then God breathed ⁓ into all of us. So all of us got him in us. M: Yeah. Deion: You know what I mean? Like, so because we living, we do the I, the ⁓ because it's us, it's like I got a choice. But like you the body got the like you your body got the mission. And everything that's in it. You come equipped already. Like you like a toy with batteries that come with it. Like you get what I'm saying? Like you M: Yeah. Deion: You set already, like you get me? Like so when your life is set up to where as though you making these different choices, you ain't do that for your life to be in a position to make a choice. M: I see where you're going. But let me ask you this. You like you like you know we all know our kids. Have you thought your kid was gonna do something that they didn't do? Deion: Mm-hmm. M: So d so Deion: But it but it all cycles back around, right? To get to your point. Like whatever you as the parent wanted to happen, no matter like you ain't even choose the time that it was gonna all reveal, but it it happened. Like it unrevealed. You get me? Like I don't be that hype to be like, I gotta tell you my truth. Cause life showed me, right? Like M: It's still a choice. Deion: If I'm with my girl and we in an argument, I don't gotta like go there. I'ma get a time where I'ma say what I'ma need to say, and she gonna receive it in the way that it needs to be received. You get what I'm saying? And my life came with me making the choices I made to get the results I needed to even be saying this to y'all. M: Right. That was your past. Deion: But I didn't set none of none of n none of it up. Like I said, to be sane, we we we gotta be in that mindset. Like cause what else you gonna like you gonna think of yourself as a robot? Like you gonna you gonna think you already programmed, so you just like you feel me? So we gotta have some sanity and that's why we got time. That's why we utilize time. Not that we got time, but we utilize time. So we can make sense of how we operate in civilization, right? You know what I mean? But we don't need all this. We M: So I'll So are we operating? Are we Just being strong alone. Deion: No, no. E everything got a purpose. M: So do we yeah, everything got a purpose. I believe that a thousand percent, but you don't think we got a choice in that purpose. Deion: Like I chose to talk to y'all about something else, but we talkin' about this now. You get what I'm saying? So I had a choice. But you got a choice to be like, no, I don't want to talk about it, right? And you can say that, right? But then you know in conversations, everything spin right back around. So by the end of the conversation, you be right back to talking about what the fuck you need to be talking about. You feel me? You know, you be talking to your man you ain't seen in a while. You like, damn, what's up? M: Right. We're gonna find a way back. Right. ⁓ Jhalil: Yeah, M: Yeah. Deion: You know, and you telling them some deep real shit and a w a woman walk by. You know, they say the devil catch you quick, like you like. You know, you like you start automatically thinking about what you would do with that. And like, you know what I mean? So then you get back to the conversation or what have you. But like I say, man, you know, I'm just it's I'm just coming to a space where it's like it's coming through me to be like. M: Okay. Deion: You know, it's gonna be what it's gonna be. You feel me? Like you s you see so much hurt and people fighting for what they want. in this life and they never get it, bro. You don't think about that shit like niggas out here fighting, scrambling, ready, kill, do everything. For life they think they want, but don't even know if they get there what the results gonna be. You know how many times you did that? I want these sneakers, you go through loops and hoops, get ⁓ and stay in the closet. M: They f It's That's the people who don't appreciate what they got. Deion: Or I mean, you gotta remember too, like our natural things was taken away. M: What was that? Deion: So you know through greed you got this capitalist world now. You know what I mean? So quote unquote the powers to be or whatever set up this ideology of life. And most people bought it. We all value the dollar, we spend it, we use it, you get what I'm saying? Like we accept it, we take it as, you know what I mean? And shit, we know it ain't really shit is a piece of paper, but the value we put on it makes it whatever it is. You get what I'm saying? So Imagine that in life as a whole, like everything we put value on. If you you put so much value on You know, they tell us like when you put a ring on a woman like that's ownership. Right? But that sounds too slavery to me. M: Yeah. Deion: You know what I mean? Like to own another human being and then you go through them limps. Like when you tell a woman this forever, she lose her fucking mind. Like she took it serious. We both didn't know that, but at the time, you know, that's the flavor you was throwing at her, right? But you looking at it because you said it, you like you don't got that much value on it, but she put that much value on it that it's like you get what I'm saying? So if we take all of that stuff out of our head, it'd be like nothing. You feel me? Like people lose people and I remember my aunt wanted to jump in the grave. Like, I can't live without my sister. I'm like, damn. Y'all had two different trajectories. Y'all was bought into this world for two different, but somewhere along the lines, that was lost. Now I I can't say if that was meant to happen. That's the way they lives it was supposed to show the rest of the world something. I don't be knowing. You get what I'm saying? A lot of times we had. We had Aunt Bessie who lived up Temple Road, right? She was like big mom of the family, but when sh sh it was like she had to go. It was too much, you feel me? Plus other individuals in the family had to learn something from her departure. M: Yeah. Deion: That's tough for even a conversation with some people, you get me? Because of what they put the value on. I love my family to death. Don't talk that deaf shit to me. Like, you get what I'm saying? So depending on the human, like you might go through some real life shit. You feel me? That's why I'm coming to a joint where it's like right or wrong is like. 'Cause whatever's right to me ain't right to everybody. M: No, not at all. Deion: And I'm thinking if that's universal, that should be with everything. You feel what I'm saying? Like, how is it, you know, that we meeting at a ground where it's like, no, this is humanity, brother. Like, what you mean? All this stuff that you doing is wrong. You get what I'm saying? But let a nigga touch your daughter. M: But to who? Yeah. Deion: You see what I'm saying? Like all that shit, all that human to human shit ain't gon' you know stand up. You feel me? That's why I always Jhalil: So you saying like so you basically talking about like status quo, like how a motherfucker be like, all right, you a man, it's your job to go to work, it's your job to provide, it's your job to fix shit in the crib, like you talking about as far as like stuff like that, like these predetermined Johns, like that's what you like talking about as a whole? Deion: I don't know, but like what I never heard people talk about, like they'd take those things that was given and then just have a conversation. And usually that's how the brain works, right? You give your brain the word and it's gonna start going from there. You know what I mean? Like, so when we was born, we was presented to a world of already civilization. We ain't had no input on how it should go. None of that. So we accepted it. So we here, we accepted it. You get me? So yeah, if you accept that, you know, being this male ⁓ gender male human and these are your roles and it makes sense, then cool. That's why we accept it. It makes sense. Like you get what I'm saying? But it's also what we've been presented. We ain't been presented another way of life. But to some people they have been. So the people that been presented and accept this way of life, they can't understand how somebody else can't. Like what the fuck you what you mean? You not you're not taking the trash out and you not doing this and that. Like I was taught this is what a man do, and you ain't doing it, so in my eyes, like you get what I'm saying? So a lot of that stuff been presented through like white people call those three fifths of a human. But we ain't never ate another human. We ain't never do like some animalistic ass shit and none of that. But that was a plot like to reverse the psychology to be like, you feel me? To even get us to be in a conversation about it is is the fight. You get what I'm saying? So you begin to be like, so if I throw something on the table that's black and white and I'm like, this is it. At no point that people stop and be like, well, how the motherfucker throw this black and white chips on the table for us to be sitting here arguing about. Nah, it's usually I'm black and this my history, I'm white and this my like we just took it and just started going for it. And that's where we'd be at. You get what I'm saying? So in relationships, all this shit, it'd be the same thing. Like we just took it, we You know me? So that's why I'd be all ecstatic, cause that's what we really fightin' like. I'm who I I'm who I am as an I'm who I am as an individual. You feel me? Like and that's gonna come out. So it'd be like, soon your woman start talking some this away of the world type shit in your house. Jhalil: Yeah. Nah, it's serious shit. Deion: If you cool with that, you cool with that. You know what I mean? But me, I'm like, soon as you start coming with that outside stuff, I'm like, we not equal in our thinking, you feel me? Cause I'm an individual that comes with everything equipped already, batteries included, you feel me? And because Mike and Jaws do it like this as men. M: Thanks. Deion: That don't equate to me. You feel what I'm saying? Like, and if I allow that, then I'ma be in comparison with Mike and Jas. Like, and now, you know, we put it all in everything. Like, how many bitches you gonna get? If you don't get enough bitches, nigga, you not equal to my man. You know what I'm saying? Like, if if you don't make more money in your career. You know what I'm saying? I was listening to Jay-Z. He said, he said, damn, he said, damn, homie, like what's the difference between the five and a six? He said, 40 more thousand cocksucker beat it. M: Speaking. Yes. Deion: You feel me like M: Thanks. Deion: But we ain't looking at shit like that. Like we looking at that shit was like, that was a fly ass line. Like you feel me? Like he won. Jhalil: Yeah, but that shit come with like learning and unlearning and shit. Like, cause like, yeah, ⁓ a motherfucker probably did roll out the the rule book and then niggas just accepted it for the longest, bro. But at the wild, like when you make your moves and and your decisions and certain shit that happened in life, bro, you understand what you need to take and what you need to leave, bro. Like, and I don't I ain't I can't say everybody, you know, been through that stage yet, but it's like You know, men of our age and the certain things, our responsibilities and shit, it's like, bro, all that is we ain't just gonna be accepting anything, bro. Real shit. And it's like even when you got a partner and all that, you choose that partner so you can so you don't have to deal with that shit. You don't choose the partner that's gonna be like, ⁓ well, yeah, like My nigga gotta make this and he gotta like why would you choose a partner like that? You feel me? You choose a partner that's gonna meet you where you at, y'all build together and make the shit which y'all needed or wanted to be. You feel me? That's how I look at this shit, bro. Cause if it wasn't going that way, like if I can't build, I can't be myself. I can't, you know, express what the shit that I wanna do and put it together with a female. I'm not gonna be with that female, bro. I don't do all that. Black and white out the bookship. M: Too much work. That's too much work. Jhalil: Real rare, bro, you're gonna be stressed the fuck out. Like it just like ⁓ Mike said, bro, you play with the kids, have fun, they go out together. Like that's something that like he created in his culture at the crib. You feel me? So like that's something that ⁓ you know we do at the crib or whatever. Even you, you know, you take your kids, practice, ⁓ da da. They think like you, bro. You feel me? So it's it's like we really got some power in creating our shit. creating our process and how shit come out. But the end result, yeah, that shit don't be none of our business, bro. Like we can try our best to, you know, dictate how it's gonna happen, but we don't really got the final say until the shit roll out. But it is our job to craft it and, you know, put in the steps to do it. Like Deion: Yeah. I mean, you know. Jhalil: That shit don't that shit don't always work though. Like we ain't making it seem like, you know, well I ain't making it seem like marriage and all that shit is perfect. Deion: No, that's all I'm saying. Like you you get you your batteries come set, bro. You feel me? Like you mean your battery come set. And so it's more like let's sit back and enjoy this ride. It's it's almost like it's almost like what Tesla trying to tell us like, you know, self-driving cars. That's what people be saying when they say, I give my life to you, guy, I submit. Jhalil: Yeah, yeah. M: They say Jesus take the will. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: And that's what it is. It's like, it's like, no, it's really like, yo, I accept like that. This ain't me. Like I'm under your jown. Like, you mean? I'ma just do as it come through me, accordingly, appropriately, positively, you know what I'm saying? And that's the only joint we get to get. And if you don't, then that's the challenges that's going to be in your life. It's gonna be the you versus you battle. You try and hold on to the want that you can choose and do what you want, and then it's gonna be with God got already and that's the battle. You feel me? Like M: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah. M: I agree with that. I agree with that. But I still think he wants you to work. You have to work. And we all got lazy sides. That's the that's the I think that's the left and right. You could get up, you know your body is ⁓ aching. You could go take the jog or you just lay your ass in the bed all day. And that's the path you take. You wanna lay in the bed all day, now shit comes with that. You wanna get up and run, shit comes with that. I think that's why I say I think it gives you choices. Like chasing, I don't believe in so much of Chasing material things and stuff like that. I believe that comes with doing what I love. But if I s if I go chase, chase, chase, chase, that's when you wear yourself out and I think that's where negativity stuff coming on. Deion: Mm-hmm. M: I think we got choice that why I said black I think we got choices. I don't think it's just Deion: Thank you. Jhalil: It ain't all freestyle like ⁓ M: A one a one a one pass. Deion: I like I had I had bills to pay, right? And I'm like, I was just feeling lazy like fucking. But in my mind, like I know I gotta get up and like try to go get some money, right? Like It was a choice I made to like be lazy and just chill. You feel me? But what was made to happen just cycle right back without me doing anything and presented itself like as needed. You get what I'm saying? So it's like like I said, we can you can make the choice and you like for insanity, I mean for sanity. M: ⁓ but Deion: Yeah. M: So you basically saying, yeah, you basically say, I agree with that. I know what you're saying. Like, you got left or right. Either way, your ass gonna end up back at the same spot. You end up at the same spot. What's for you? But it's just what you're gonna go through with the choices you make. Jhalil: It's like what's for you, what's for you, what's for you. Deion: And you can't that that is what I'm saying, like. Right. It's like what they try to tell you it's similar. That game. You know the game where you could like go left or right, but if you go right, this stuff gonna happen to you. You know what I'm saying? But end up back inside where you need to be inside the mansion after a while. I remember we used to be like fuck we need to learn this man for. M: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Deion: You ain't no ten years later you was gonna be in a position where you guy used the man. Jhalil: Right. Deion: And you would take to yourself and be like, Damn, I wish I would have paid attention and learnt that man. M: Right. Deion: But even though you think you ain't pay attention, you got what you needed to get do the math when you needed to do it. You get me like so you made a choice not to do the math, but you ended up using the math later and had the capacity to use it. M: Yeah. Jhalil: There we go. Deion: You feel what I'm saying? I don't know. But that's I try to look at things outside of like. Me being in it, like you feel what I'm saying? So that's why I'm looking at life like what the fuck is this? M: But you you are in it. It's like to get to your front door, it it should only take you five steps. But s if you make that right turn, instead of five steps it'll take you fifteen. Is you gonna get to the path, but it just the way you get to your path. You gonna make yourself work harder or you just gonna or is the easier route. I think that's the choices we make. We gon' good we gon' make it you gonna make it to the door. But if you make that right, you might trip over your shoe because it was on the ground. So now that's where the the stumbles, the the the pain, the hard work coming at. But if you just kept walking straight, you'd have got the easy. Deion: Right. So M: The choice you made was you made your job harder by making that right turn, but you could just walk it straight, you'd have been better. Deion: So then I just add on something to it instead of like challenging you, right? Just adding on to that. Now you in a position where you got information from that experience that you give to other people. M: That as well. That as well. Right. Right. Deion: So so again, you think you made that choice? Cause that one choice ain't set up the rest of your life and how that choice was gonna play later. You feel me? Like you just said, I made the choice to go this way to be negative and I had to go a bad route. But most times we look at it, everybody that took a bad route, they kinda end up good. Jhalil: Yeah. M: Yeah. Not everybody. Deion: Moves. Jhalil: Yeah. Some niggas made that bad that bad love is over. You feel next next level somewhere. M: Yeah. Deion: But but at the same time, like but it don't even matter. It don't even matter because like whatever was for their life, that could that could be it. You don't ever like you said, everybody don't get to come back on the other side. You probably was meant to be a villain and and be somebody else ⁓ set up to be a hero. M: Yeah. That's for that's what they like. Jhalil: Yeah. M: Right. Right. That's just a pet. Deion: You feel what I'm saying? I we don't make those drones. I don't know that. M: Mm, that makes sense. Deion: You really like Jhalil: ⁓ Yeah, we definitely don't. Like that shit just gone You don't know, bro. Real shit, you can try your hardest. You still don't know if that's for you or if the shit gonna happen or whatever, like Yeah. M: We don't know. We don't know. That's real shit. So I'm I'm thinking I'm making choices, but the whole time that just that was in the making. Jhalil: Yeah, real rap. It shit just cooking in the back. Yeah, you mean we don't do nothing about that. Deion: Ha ha ha. M: É mais. Deion: But but see, that kind of opened up your appreciation for life. M: I appreciate that shit regardless. Deion: You can be like, cause it's like now I really can be like relax and really get in that Tesla and let this jaw drive. You feel me? Because look, I'm like, yo, I missed my window of ramping. You feel me? Like, and I'm I'm like battling with that. I'm like, ⁓ I'm 40 now. Like, what they gonna you get what I'm saying? Why I even got all those thoughts? Why am I even battling with all that? You feel me? Like. Why is a person born gay, right? Different and then they on some fighting for their rights type shit. Like it's weird to me. M: You believe that? Deion: What that they want. Jhalil: Being born gay. M: Yeah. Jhalil: I don't believe that shit. I ain't gonna lie, dog. Deion: Yeah. Yeah, I've been I've been your people boring guy. M: So you believe God did that and he ⁓ he believed being gay like that's abomination? Deion: I mean, to me, when you question me like that, it feels like it's coming from the book. Like you got you got a reference for it, huh? M: That is. That was from the butt. Yeah, that was one important. Deion: You you you start it with a reference point and then you ask to be like what I think. Right? So if I give my thoughts, am I gonna be challenged back with more book stuff or like from you? M: No. I just wanna know your opinion. I'm just asking your opinion off that. Deion: Right. So I don't know. I don't know how what's supposed to be. I just know like It's it's a lot of things in resistance. And whether they was for whatever they was for, I have no idea. All I know is people went through them, they experienced them, and some results is these results. And if I get a emotional attached to any of those results, I'll be out there protesting and fighting. You get what I'm saying? Like that's usually how it works. Like you out there fighting for rights and all that, cause you feel an emotion attached to it. Anything you put a E in front of like becomes outwards like like eruption. You know what I mean? Like from a a a cult ⁓ a volcano erupting, you know what I'm saying? Like M: Right. Deion: A anything you put E in front of you know what I'm saying? So emotions was like outer feelings. You know what I mean? Like and like I s if you attach to ⁓ You gonna go through that roller closer. You feel me? You know how it is, you going through it, and you can look at other people and they don't feel the same way they ain't going through. And that'll make you feel a type of way. You feel me? So Jhalil: How dare you not be mad like me, right? M: Why why you ain't mad like me? Deion: You feel me? It starts. Understanding this piece. So when I see all of that, I understand all that shit. Like I understand when a woman saying all of that, like what she's saying. And I I know your stance where you come from, because that's already a ideology. I used to use it for manipulation. You know what I'm saying? Like because I I M: Ha ha ha. Deion: What I did was I I I I observed and then I asked a lot of questions to every all the people. And they was giving me like everything. You feel me? And I'm like. I get it. Like, if you take the vaccine and then you get the flu, I got a cure for you. You get what I'm saying? Like, so of course if you take this drug and it got these chemicals in it, d this was gonna be your reaction. Cause they done tried it in the lab already. You know what I mean? So we gotta position ourselves like that. Like nigga, I seen the work in the lab. You feel me? So when it comes to our women and all that, like I seen what slavery did. So I already know these are the results and you captured of ⁓ M: Yeah. Deion: You feel me? If I get in that with you, then I'm there. We all in slavery. Like we all in in slavery. You get me? But if I'm outside of that, it's like a motherfucker would be like, you weird as shit. Cause they done accepted the comfortability of r accepting this world and they'll fight for the this alleology. Jhalil: Yeah, and then you trap too. M: Right. Deion: You get me like the kid, you ain't riding like I ride. And they would take you out. But they don't look at it like that's the same mentality that the people who enslaved you had. Don't do what the fuck I said and I'ma take you out. And I'ma do it in front of everybody so everybody know I'm the big shit. So when you got a nigga like Ice Cube knock Debo out in front of the hood, it's like You get what I'm saying? But you looking at that as entertainment. You're not connecting the but everything in this life is connected. You feel me? Like so if we rumble It's all connected. You see shit like kids could fight and then later the parents in the s you know what I'm saying? Like it's all it be all these different connections that because we livin', we don't pay attention to Just cause we living like we in it. But that's why I'm saying that step out, like this new step back that they invented in the and basketball like that's what we need to take that step out. And then and then look at your look at your whole drawing. Like look at your whole setup. M: A big three steps, huh? Jhalil: Mm-hmm. M: Yeah. Deion: And you have make sense of it. You feel me? Like But our fight come from when we battle and all that other stuff that be put on our table. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: You know what I mean? Like we busting our ass for some bills, bro. You know what I mean? Like, and truthfully, inside of us, we feel like we don't even need to be paying no bills. Like, why would this earth be given to us to be but in your mind, somewhat, it makes sense. I use they lights, I use their energy, so I should pay for it. You know what I mean? Like M: No, fuck that. ⁓ Jhalil: Real right, bro. Ain't they fucking lights, they energy, none of that, bro. Real right. That's why I be mad at shit. Cause it's like bro, you ride past any anything. Deion: That's bullshit, y'all. Because if you find a d if you find a bean on the ground. M: What? Deion: It's yours now. M: What do you mean? Deion: That means they f found the land or took the land, broodied the land, did what they did to get it. It's theirs now so they could say what they want. They can M: They found it. Deion: I said Brody too. I said Brody too, bro. ⁓ Jhalil: Yeah, he had it, brody, because I'm about to say, how you gonna discover some shit that already was there? Like, you mean? But like gas and all that, bro, you'll be sliding through a park and then it just be a fucking ⁓ it'd be gas under the ground. They put a line there and then like charge us for it, bro. Like they invent it. I that shit don't make sense to me, dog. Like, I ain't gonna lie, like. M: ⁓ they stole that shit. We stole that. Jhalil: I don't need you to contain the shit, nigga. And me pay you to contain the shit. Like, come on, bro. Deion: But that's why I'm saying we do the Listen man, I done seen so many niggas right portray that same behavior. It's just like it's been passed to us, right? Like, so motherfuckers like be hitting your bitch, planting the flag, bro. M: Ha ha ha. ⁓ Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: You feel me? Like planting a flag. Like, yeah, I did this tour, this, I had it like this. You feel me? Like. And what we call it? Big dog shit. You know what I'm saying? Like we honor the shit. So we can't switch it up when the switch up comes. Don't be we can't be switchy when it's a specific. That's why I talked about what we talked about last week, bro. Cause that shit's so raw. It's like. Bro. You feel me? Like these women is wearing next to nothing. You feel me? So if some niggers fall short 'cause they can't hold themselves or whatever. You know what I'm saying? What we what we doing? You can't take one away without the other, like you're gonna imprison all the perverts and then keep all the women still looking. Eventually you're gonna have more perverts, but But they never stop the women from wearing like for a woman to be like, yo, I can wear what I want, you shouldn't Just like, come on. Yes, that's me. What are you talking about, bud? Jhalil: And come on, bro. Niggas is hunters. Like, you like, come on, bro. Like, niggas is huntsmen. Like, come on, bro. You ain't gonna walk around as a steak and like niggas is wolves, bro. Like, it just don't work like that. So, yeah, like that shit is crazy. Deion: I'm talking about I'm talking about so much, bro, that it's like You find out they gotta do. You like like everything cool? You feel me? M: So everything cool. Deion: Okay. She didn't gas. She didn't gas women being gassed us so much that we is like no, she living in her feminine. Power to the women. Like bro, what the fuck is how do you that that that just start being cool? That wasn't always a cool thing. You'll go through it, a domestic about that. M: Let you come out. Let you come out like that. Deion: You feel what I'm saying? Like, but now this cool, like and And that's how I'm looking at a lot of the Jhalil: Yeah, bro, but that's why you also got you gotta choose the right skinny, bro. 'Cause it's like, dog, why like if Deion: I don't know the right spinning no more, bro. Jhalil: 'Cause I ain't gonna lie, bro, like certain shit, my wife just be like, nah, bro, like first of all, I'm married. Well, first of all, we Muslim, you feel me? The second of all I married is you mean, so it's like she don't even carry herself like that, 'cause it's like, why would you what you on display for? Like what do you what do you want to get from having your ass out or something? Like, what's the result of that? Like what you s you mean? What Deion: All I'm saying is M: What you're looking for. Jhalil: Real shit, 'cause it's like, bro, if you look good, bitch, you look good with clothes on. Feel me? Remember we came up back ⁓ back when nineties and all that. The video vixens, bro, they was dressed, fully dressed, bro, just doing one little dance move. We was proud. You feel me? Like, come on, dawg. M: Ninety Deion: That's right. All right. M: ninety spa. Yeah. Deion: That's why I'm saying like the switch up can't be for the switch up. You get what I'm saying? Like, because like we got when we talking about stuff, I just be like talking real. Not that I agree with anything. I'm just looking at the full picture of the ship. And having that conversation. You get what I'm saying? So The same way you like man to switch over from being like a nigga that get a lot of women and then you in a relationship, you know the the withhold you got. Like you know. You get what I'm saying? So I don't have no doubt that it's the same for a woman. You feel what I'm saying? So for me it's like if if we don't talk about the real, I can't do. Like you ain't gonna tell me you ain't looking at all these other niggas and feeling something that's weird. M: But no, that don't mean any feeling or something, no? Deion: That that's just our M: You I can't say they're not feeling none. You I can't say they ⁓ not. Jhalil: You need There you go. Deion: You feel me, bro? Like And and that's the stuff we don't talk about. And that's why it it long it it it it hovers over us like a dark cloud. Like I always tell people, man, I if I got a girl I and I see another baddie at the job, I come home, I tell my girl I'm that transparent. We rockin' and rollin', man, in this life thing. You feel me? If she don't never allow anything else to to tamper with her mental state. You feel me? M: No wait Wait, you say so you got your girl, you got ⁓ some badge on coming job. You're gonna say, Hey girl, this badge wanna start working with me. Jhalil: This nigga crazy. M: What is that? What that ain't transparent. That is you gonna you gonna be you gonna say the angle, babe, I seen this baddie on the bus. I just seen this baddie walk. No, you don't do that. Deion: That's like, all right, I've been in, I've been in I've been in listen. Jhalil: Yeah. Miguel, that's war initiation. M: It did well. Deion: Right. Jhalil: Hehehehe. Deion: Accordingly. It's it's just like we we went through this in life and now when we accept it, if we had did something different, ⁓ that's gonna be accepted too. You feel me? So because we live in a world of lies, when you tell the truth is just so it you get me? Like so we all know like the guys talk, right? You out with your niggas, that shit turn into Leaving the club, we might go to seven eleven. We might it just be random all the way. And then some crazy shit might happen. And you like, you pondering whether you should say that or not. Or whether it makes sense. You think you know your girl and how she gonna react. So you like, I'm gonna tell her this version of it. Cause she'll be settled more with that. So now you thinking for her. You feel me? Outs but that's only in your own thinking. So when you even reveal that you wrong. By saying the truth, you r then you see like, ⁓ it wasn't even what I thought, like it wasn't even all that crazy. And we did that. M: That's that's for any situation. You won't tell your daughter something you'll tell your son. Deion: And we did that since we were kids. Huh? M: How old's your daughter, your son? Deion: A man. M: ⁓ they by the same age. But would you tell stuff you you'd tell your daughters you would tell your daughter everything you'll tell your son? Deion: Yeah. M: Everything. Deion: Mm. Cause it's it's it's for it's for them. I mean I can't I can't say this I can't say the I can't say the same thing, but like Jhalil: The same version or a different version, like M: The same the same way. Jhalil: No M: Wow, why? Deion: Because it's accordingly. Is according to the person. M: So you so you thinking like how you know she ain't gonna take it right? Deion: But I gotta reveal it. M: It just in a different d in a different manner. Same thing. I reveal everything just in a different manner. Deion: It's but that's why I'm saying, like, but it's not gonna be up to me. Right? This life thing, right? This shit could be like a like one of those joins you get put over your mouth. And like you know, at the time it probably loosen up, and whenever you need to say whatever's you need to say at that time, it get presented. You get what I'm saying? So I could M: You're always gonna be up to her. Deion: I can for fake it and be like, no, I'm not telling her that till she's twenty-one. But then a situation ⁓ occurred that I had to tell her at twelve. M: At twelve, right. Deion: You get what I'm saying? So I don't have no M: Just a different version though. Deion: I don't have that I gotta do something because I don't know. You feel me? A lot of times we need to let people suffer with humanity, with humility. But because these words like love and attachment and sorrow and all that, you can't see it through. But God might be trying to show that person something and you intervening. You in the fucking rupting. With your feelings and all that emotional human shit that we live on. And that could derail the whole drama. But you ain't look we can't we don't look at it like that. We like, no, I love them, I had to intervene. M: Yeah. Deion: You get me? Like all of these things, ⁓ Jhalil: No, that's that I ain't gonna lie, like yeah, that that's a strong point, bro. And it's like when you do try to hold shit back, like or if you do try to stop the natural occurrence of shit, that shit definitely will come. Like that should have come before or whatever. Like there's never when we plan for it to come. Deion: Yeah. M: But But Like you said, Black earlier, we ain't got no choice. It was meant for us to stop it. It wasn't meant for them to hear it at that moment, so you think Deion: I mean we can say that because that ended up being the results, but we all see the full game yet played out, right? M: We don't see the game, but I I thought from what you were saying earlier, that's not our choice. Jhalil: Okay. Deion: Yeah. That's why I'm saying so we don't even know if it's the right or wrong thing. You know what I mean? But what I'm seeing is, right? The woman that was more attached than the man held on way longer than she intend intended to. Right? And God then probably sent her three lifeboats and she ignored them. You feel me? But that don't mean he's gonna throw her drawing out. He might. It might suffer the f two more years. But then she got a comeback story after it all. Cause comeback story been short look like been on a short course, I don't fucking know. But whatever that ver that thing that needed to happen for life, it happened. You get what I'm saying? Like So I don't know. You know what I mean? Like I know I had a feeling like if Gilly would have got the money early. I don't know. You feel me? We we think like because we experienced the whole semi the the whole joint, now he in his maturity and he getting money, it feels like all right, he doing better with it for you to got it then. I don't fucking know. You know what I mean? But the the thing that's going way heavy on a person is if they stuck on that I gotta know. M: Yeah. Deion: No, I'm fucking telling you, bro. Niggas will go to bur like you ready to fight. Like y'all know how it is. Niggas that had the JZ Nise drawing, all them joins turn into rumbles, and they ain't even nobody they wouldn't even fucking cross your way in the middle of the street, you feel me? Like but you sitting there having that debate to a point where y'all in a rumbling. M: Good. Ready to fight. Jhalil: Yeah, real shit, bro. Yeah, me neither, dog. Real shit. But niggas definitely do that shit. Even with like with the Mike and Brian shit and all of that, like M: I never understood that. Right. Jhalil: Kobe and Mike and all the like niggas definitely will beef over shit like that, bro. But it's like, if you still at this age, like and you willing to take it to that level, bro, it's some underlying shit going on, bro. I don't see that as being normal, like. M: Yeah, I like I like this bullshit and debate. I like the debate. But to come to that level is in the day, I'm not getting paid from nobody. I ain't getting none of that bread. I don't give a fuck who who's the goat. Yeah, ⁓ I'm the goat, nigga. That should be killing me. Deion: You should have. Jhalil: Re like that. Real right, bro, like real right, dog, like that shit. Deion: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You be in it though, you feel me? Like, even when you say out there, it'd be you find yourself in the conversation, still it'll be like because it's entertaining, you get me, and it's it is lyrical mid to exercise, too. Because if you'll use the brain, you'll lose it, right? Like, so you know, these things do play play their part, you get what I'm saying, especially if you can have a M: It's entertained, yeah. Yeah. Deion: a good healthy ⁓ debate with a motherfucker. Y'all got violent points and all that like that raises information about whatever each other's talking about. You get what I'm saying? So I probably if I could be honest, I'm leaving the conversation knowing a little bit more either about Brian or either about you, the person. M: Right. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: 'Cause now I know how heavily you hold this regard and then you put in your morals and principles on it and everything. So that's ⁓ that make me underst you feel me? And so that's how we train each other. M: Right. Deion: You know what I mean? Like we train each other how far to go. This is why like you know how far to go with your girl. Cause in the training she demonstrated when you said X, she exploded to this look. So you said, all right. You stored that, bro. Right. You stored that, though. Right? But at the same time, in the wicked sense, you like, if I wanted to destroy your ass, she also trained me to do that too. Jhalil: So all right, let me chill with that shit. M: It's Deion: Cause now I can fire back with that same shit or I can hold it against them. You get what I'm saying? If you don't tell a person straight up what it is, you try and hold power over them. M: Yeah, it's Deion: 'Cause you're not giving them they got given ability to choose. M: Yeah. Deion: ⁓ shit. Damn, we forgot to get into the episode. Yeah, welcome back to the vibe. when we bridging the gaps between just you mean a book doctor's the doctor without the doctrine Jhalil: Jalo, urban activist slash blackists, you know. Damn, man, we done had a whole fallout like life life discussion type John. You feel me? Damn, man, let's get into it, man. We got special guests here today, man. Deion: What up though? What's up? You wanna go by like your name or like I see you got like uncle love and shit. Did that come from like when Diddy became brother love? You was like, no. I'm uncle love. M: Well, yeah. No Jhalil: You trying to M: ⁓ my name they called me love when I was younger. Deion: No. Okay. So now it was Uncle La. M: Yeah, as I got older, had some nieces and nephews just put uncle on it. Deion: Yeah. Okay. What part of the city you come from? M: Uptown. Deion: Yeah. All right, man. No, but I ⁓ brought you all though to have this discussion. I know it's kinda late. So I just try to throw this jaw there real quick, we could get it in. You know what I mean? Like, ⁓ So I wanted to talk more about with men, about like having a daughter. You know what I mean? And you know, the the thing be like, as men, you want a duplicate of yourself, right? And then it's that theory of like, ⁓ you know, all men like wanna have a a boy. You feel me? But I be feeling like the the is reverse. You know what mean? Like it's that reverse. So if you got a woman here, a man here, when it comes to the children, it's diagonal. You is it's not straight up and down, parallel, like meaning like the mom with the daughter and the son with the with the father. It's more like father daughter and mom son. You know what I mean? Like M: Like some Deion: So how your relationship with your ⁓ daughters? M: It's is basically what you said. I think that same way. My daughter is she like a spit image of me. The way she act and everything like that is like that's me. I see like the way she talk about people. Deion: Mm. M: Her goofiness, all that. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, same hair, bro. You know my daughter, man. That's that's my negative, bro. I ain't gonna lie, dog, like she got my back through whatever. Like, it don't matter. Nothing that go on, bro. Yo, dad, I I wanna come with you, yo dad, I want I want the same sneaks as you. I wanna do this, like it's just I don't know, bro. They they really be splitting the image of their dad, bro. Like real shit. My sons, man, they do their own thing, you feel me? Like They there, but it's like your daughter though, man. Like, I ain't gonna lie, bro. Like, having that daughter, that's what tightened me the fuck up, bro. You know how I used to be. Like, I ain't I ain't really had no cares in the world, bro. But when I got that daughter, it was like, ⁓ let me tone down, let me do this, let me button up, cause I always gotta make it home, bro. I always gotta make sure that you mean. It it changed and and turned me up to a point where it's like, damn I I even respected myself more, bro, how I toned shit down just to make sure that, you know, my wife, my daughter and all that was cool. Like you mean? So that shit really changed me, bro. Cause I think like if would have just had sons first and all that, I would have been hard. You feel me? Like I oughda just still been, yeah, that's like it's your son, but that's your youngin' too. Like, you feel me? You ain't gonna be as soft on as your on your son as with your daughter, bro. It taught me a different way to like be towards females in general, bro. M: Yeah. Jhalil: Gross shit. So yeah, that's after. Deion: How you how y'all think that ⁓ that dynamite of like is is panning out? Cause we y'all we all got ⁓ boy and girl in the house, right? M: Yeah. Deion: I see like if my son come with something, like homework or want to show me something, like my daughter gotta jump in it. Y'all get that too. M: What you mean? She gotta jump in there and what you mean? Deion: Like sh like almost like I'm giving him attention and not her. M: No, to yours yours close together. Mine all four years apart. Deion: Okay. So the the time allowed for that separation to be okay. So I I always say like my son ain't get his just due. Cause he my daughter came right after, like you know I mean? M: Yeah. How you be how how he feel about that? Well he looks like he feels about that. Deion: Sometimes he do the same thing. M: You wanted. Deion: Yeah, like if mama's showing me something he'd be calling me to child show me something. And I I used I didn't know how to deal with it. My first reaction was like It's almost like I knew what they was both trying to do. So I now I'm I'm reacting to that more than you get what I'm saying? So I'm like, you know, because I'm about to do something with your your sister, don't mean you gotta jump into I you know, we can got we can have time for for everything, like everybody. You get what I'm saying? But Jhalil: Much of the Deion: That ain't really stop them. Like they And maybe ⁓ because like that's another thing too. We don't talk enough to understand like these different things, right? Like now I'm talking to other men with daughters, I'm like Jhalil: Thanks. Deion: Cause you get you get one way in your mind dealing with your daughter. So you feel me? Like to hear other people join and be like, ⁓ shit. You know what I mean? Cause sometimes I be thinking they a little slow. Jhalil: ⁓ yeah. M: Yeah. Deion: And then I talk to other parents and they be like, no, you my son do the same. I'll be like, all right, cool. Cause I you feel me? And so like when my daughter doing that is like, but now y'all gave me a different drone because that close and age drone really might have a lot to do with that. M: Hehehehe. Jhalil: Sure. Yeah, but my daughter do that shit too, bro. She be drawn, bro, cause she in the middle. Like, you feel me? You know, you know Kay K he older. You feel me? But anytime we doin' something like or we bustin' it up with him, here she comes, yo dad, let me show you this. Or running in his room, drawing on him for no reason. Like, you feel that's just that's just what she get into. Like, I I don't understand why, but That's just how that shit be, bro. Like they they'll go back and forth. But he be like he older, so he'd be like, yo, Jolly, chill, you drawin'. Just get out of here. But that don't stop her. You feel me? Like try and get him in trouble and shit. Deion: But like I like No. But that's why I'm saying like fucking think about your girl, your wife or something. Like you feel me? Like I still go through that with women now. Like if I jump on the game or nigga jump on the game or something, like I see women twerk in front of the game. Like why are you twerking in front of the screen? Like you feel me? Like when I had the time when I had the time and the and the energy to do that, you you wasn't on that. Now I'm on something else. It's like Jhalil: Yeah. I'm about to beat the game. Move. M: You wasn't Deion: Is you serious? Like and that's with everything. Jhalil: keep showing you the rails and and and all this. M: They man, do do they really be doing that shit or that just for for the views and clicks? Deion: They really be doing I I think they they try and portray it and make it funny, but like no, I know real women that do that shit like all the time. M: They don't want you to gain them, but they just are shaking their heads, huh? Jhalil: I don't know, man. I might put that shit down. My wife don't do all that. You feel like she'll bother me with all this other shit and show me some business shit. Or you know what I mean? Like we we be on that. But if she do that, I don't know. I might just turn the game off. You feel? All right. So yeah, fuck it. I'll save this job be back. I say, you know, let me hit y'all back, yeah, man. Deion: Just anything, bro. M: Yeah. Deion: Sick don't come around like this, kid. M: Any this don't happen every day. Put this fucking remote down. ⁓ Deion: Can we take advantage of the shit? M: I even gotta say hit y'all back, 'cause I must lost connection, my nigga, my fault, guy. Deion: Yeah. Look, real niggas on the game understand like duh. Jhalil: That's it, bro. Deion: Bro had to go ahead and do that. That shit don't happen like Jhalil: Yeah. And as men we don't rarely like we rarely get a chance to like do all that shit while like you feel me, during the day niggas at work and all that family we we both at work and shit. So at home it's like damn. If it was a perfect time for ⁓ for niggas to play the game, get that shit out of the way and then later on the family get home and but like cool, but life don't don't tend to really be like that, you feel me? M: ⁓ huh. Deion: Mm-hmm. M: Ain't no ain't no sess schedule. Jhalil: Russia, this is crazy. Deion: Yeah, they come home. It don't matter. What up though? Watching TV playing the game, they bullied. You feel me? And there's three other TVs in the crib, like, but I get bullied for my job. You feel me? Like, I be like, damn. I just walk in the basement, sad. M: This Jhalil: Fuck it, man. I'm going to the dungeon. Deion: Only place I can be that's free. Yeah. But like, you know, in the vein of like ⁓ you know, connecting with your ⁓ your daughter and shit, right? See, y'all pr y'all ain't y'all get the ⁓ the period puberty. M: I ain't there yet. Jhalil: The meal. Deion: Aula in the Dora. M: Yeah. Deion: Yeah. M: It's on his way, but I ain't there yet, so Deion: That's why I'm saying though, bro, like on his way meaning like Jhalil: That's gonna be a crazy jum, bro. Like, sheesh. Deion: It's showing it's showing results. Like it's showing or like is is is on his what you mean by is on his way? M: What do you mean, Sean? Now the doctor, the lady doctor told me, said, basically be ready. I said, Yeah, my wife be ready for that. Deion: And that's why I'm saying it was from a Zam physical scene of behaviors. M: No, this yeah, like a little development. She said ⁓ usually when they start developing a little bit, probably like a year or two later, that's when that thing should come on. Jhalil: Yeah. Like teenage years or like probably right before teenage years and shit like that. Like M: Yeah. Deion: Now your voice changed and shit, right? Jhalil: Yeah. ⁓ M: ⁓ Well Deion: You see like you got real you got real humble, like no let's like let's speed through this part M: No, that shit that shit Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. That's I ain't ready for that. No. Jhalil: Yeah, bro, cause that's a whole switch. Like you you Deion: No. So the thoughts come and you what? Flee them? You flee the thoughts? Jhalil: E new M: Huh? They're thoughts don't come to me. I don't think about that shit. Deion: Mm. M: ⁓ I I when it happens, it happens. Deion: But you because you ain't think about it, you don't got a plan for it or you do got a plan for it just in case. Even if the plan is like let mom deal with that, like M: That's the plan. I know I don't know I don't that's that's something I can't teach. I know nothing about that. Deion: Yes. Jhalil: He said that's the place that's all I got right now, you feel? Deion: Right. But what if it's remember we said we accepted the cross, right? Jhalil: the the dads and daughters, the the moms with the sons. Deion: Now they get now the the getting out of it f the getting out of it for us is that understanding of the other the opposite sex. M: Is understanding I But at the end of the day, I can't tell her something I don't know. Like Deion: But you will listen, you will but you wouldn't you wouldn't gather the information now. M: Yeah, I'm gonna listen, I'm gonna be there for her. But Gather what information, put a pad on. Deion: Right. Why you do it? Like if you gotta explain. Jhalil: No, I think it's the emotional shit. Like, that's that's the part to prep for it, bro. Cause that's what I be scared of. I'm like, dog, my daughter right now, bro, she's so sweet, so bubbly and all that shit. But when that time comes, bro, like she probably gonna be a jerk. You feel me? And like, damn, that's the part that's like I'm scared about 'cause that's that's my old shorty right now. You feel me? Like But I don't know how I'ma feel when she cursed me out for no fucking reason. You feel me? I don't know how I'ma feel about that, but you know, at the same time, it's definitely about like preparing. You feel me? Cause you you gotta understand that that shit might come. It might not even be how niggas think. You feel me? Like, I don't know. But that shit is crazy though. And I know I'm scared of that day having it, cause I know that's that's the transition from like the young buck to like her being a young woman, like that shit gonna be different, like M: Yeah. I feel as though I've been adjusting the life the way it com way it comes at me. I'm gonna do the same thing with that. Deion: Yeah. M: I'm prepared mentally it when it happens. Deion: If the results is like a behavior thing, do you think like that becomes like the karma for men? M: What the behaviour? Deion: Yeah, like if your daughter gave you hell it's from the hell you gave to women. M: The crazy part is I don't think I've I'm pretty good. I think I'm I think I did pretty good. I don't think none of them hate me. Deion: Yeah. M: I think I did I don't think that'll be ⁓ Jhalil: No nigga, you know, real rare. You you will feel it. Like when somebody hates you or you don't fuck you feel it. Mm. M: I'm poor to I'm poor to everybody. Deion: Yeah. M: So Deion: But even still like you think the results will be your results? Like because you treated women good that that would be your results too with your daughter? M: I think my thoughts and I don't think it matters how she does girls I this is the way I treat her. Deion: Yeah yeah. M: I believe that's gonna be my results. I never treat her, I never treat her bad at all. Yeah, I even when I cuss, like sometimes I slip up and say a cuss word in the sense of I'm talking to her, and she be like, Wait, dad, you cuss at me? Like, no, I didn't it that ain't even take that word away. I didn't even mean to that ain't mean to come out right now. Deion: Okay. Mm-hmm. M: So sh I treat her a certain way, so I don't think no negative will come from her. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: But you think like she gon' come to you in the verses? M: ⁓ I do. I think she's gonna come to me for a lot. Deion: Yeah. M: Like she do now. Like it's the littlest stuff in the world. I could be asleep, my wife be asleep. I could be asleep, my wife could be up. She'll come wake me up, hey Dad, could you do this? I wake up like your mom right there. But Deion: Mm-hmm. M: Yeah. Jhalil: Cause bro, they know dad solved the problems, bro. Like they know dad got the solutions. M: Man, they could be they could be a little ass get her some water from downstairs. Jhalil: Whoa. That's 'cause she knows. Like if she's scared to go downstairs, daddy got it. He ain't about to let nine he's gonna make sure, like, amen. Deion: No real shit, that should come with that shit come with two ices like she you know she like the mommy don't give me ice you know mommy that should come with a attitude sometimes You feel me? That that'd be the battle and shit some it'd be like yeah M: Yeah. Jhalil: He Deion: ⁓ you ever your wife ever look at you like that? M: Well No, I think she loves it. Deion: No Yeah, good. I know I'd be like that with my son and my ⁓ and his mom. M: Yeah. Deion: My son biggest shit to be nine, right? Like so even when he was like six, the nigga was just he like big to me, you feel me? So all that sitting on your fucking mom lap the soon as I raise my voice you go run to to sit on her lap and all I just suck ass on, you know what I'm saying? 'Cause I'm like M: Yeah. I just think that's the it's it's a weird that that that connection. Like, I think I had that same with my mom, even my son to this day, like my older son. My youngest, my middle son, he like, he both ways. But my older son, like, he'll tell my wife something, never say nothing to me about it. Later on, I filmed like, ⁓ yeah, she's he told you that. Like, damn, you know, just forget that, huh? Deion: Yeah. M: Leave me on the side. I wanna know I wanna know some jokes too. Tell me something. I wanna laugh. I wanna know some shit. Deion: Ha ha ha ha. Yeah. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. M: But I think that's what you said. Moms, d boys, dead girls. Jhalil: Right, bro, like that's it really be like that, though. That's it crazy. Deion: But I think it's I think it's the cycle though, like. You know what I mean? Like how how men now experiencing more femininity than they masculinity, right? And I believe we got both in us. And now women like, you know, moving towards like masculinity more and less femininity, right? So without information, we just like we put it off on, ⁓ they gay. Or you soft as shit, or whatever these things is. But I'm thinking like we posed the Learn like those roles from each other. In order to have a full understanding of shit. Jhalil: Yeah, it gotta be a balance of that shit. Like, you feel me? It can't be too much masculine, not enough feminine, even as a man. You feel me? 'Cause it's like damn if you all masculine, bro, and your your your wife come to you, yo babe, I feel some type what you gonna say, yo, get the fuck out of my face. I ain't trying to hear that shit. You feel me? Like how you gon' how you gonna look, you feel me? So i it it's just like it gotta be that balance. Like even when M: Yeah. Jhalil: times we don't wanna hear that shit and all that, bro. It still gotta be that balance. Cause it's still a benefit to that shit. Like, feel me? Like, especially if you're not trying to hear that shit, you be like, nah man, fuck it. Let me let me sit down and really see what's going on with my skinny. Let me see what's going on with my kids or whatever, bro. The benefit be in the in the back end of it, bro. You feel me? So that is something that we we gotta learn, bro. And I think I learned that by having a daughter and, you know, getting married and shit. I'm like Before that, bro, I was on some James Brown shit, bro. It's a man's world, cause I ain't trying to hear that shit. But now it's like, duh, bro, we we in this drone together, cause like and having those those females in my life, that shit increases my like the shit that goes on in my life, like my experiences and all that, you feel me? So Yeah, that's how I feel, bro. It gotta be that balance though. Deion: Yeah. I I say that to see like Jhalil: Fuck I'm about to say fucky falling asleep. Deion: No. M: Yeah. Deion: I say that because like we doing with our daughters. We doing with our the opposite sex. You know what I mean? Like gender. And it's not in the program training to learn that type of stuff for that type of understanding. You know what I mean? Like, and whether or not, you know, it'll be a benefit to us or not. We just stay away from it and you know what I mean? Like the results be the results, like So I just always wonder, like, man, you know, Dylan Yeah. My my daughter's like, she a clone, I mean. But at the same time it's like I don't know, but it she be rocking with her mom too. M: Some next. Jhalil: Yeah, it's a mix, bro. It's both of ⁓ like, 'cause it's it's both it's both parties, bro. So it's like even if the attitude, the mannerisms, like certain shit gonna come from you, but it's gonna be certain things that come from Mom Dukes too, from the rip. You already know, bro. M: Book yeah, both yeah. Especially if you're both in a life. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: But it's like it's like it's like how a motherfucker try do something in spike. I know y'all ain't getting along so like I'm a fuck with mommy, so you know what I mean? Like but it's all still centered around you and her. Like you get what I'm saying? Jhalil: I don't know, like I don't I don't really go through that. So I don't like I might see it on the outside and shit like that, but like in my shit I don't I don't really see that. Like 'cause even the me and wifey beefing, we don't like, you feel me, we don't like display that shit to the kids or nothing like that. You feel me? Like, that's rule number one, bro. Well mommy and daddy go do that's for mommy and daddy, bro. That ain't for the kids, like. Deion: Mm. Jhalil: Even if she is getting on my fucking nerves. Like or whatever. I'm getting on her fucking nerve. It it don't matter, bro. The kids come, yo, what's up? Like what what's going on? How is your day? Like, real shit, it don't matter. Like, and more people gotta start doing that, bro. Like, I see on the outside and you know, on social media and all of that, like, it'd be a lot of beefing and and back and forth and all that, but like, that's from going against the natural and and throwing that spite in in like M: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: per par like parent relationships and all that just because you feel in a certain way you you might take your kids or you might say certain things and all of that but like that's a disadvantage bro. Like nigga ain't nobody gonna win when the family feud bro. That's one of the realest jones, cause like that's there's no win to that shit. Right. Plus it's like what's for adults is for adults, bro. What's kid for kids is for kids, you mean like Deion: Yeah. M: Right. Jhalil: And all of that adult talk, that's that's none of their business, bruh. Growth shirt. M: Yeah, I hate people from their kids and stuff like that. Jhalil: Right, dog, like it's not a good job, bro. And then like we gotta remember too, like kids at a real like Like a absorbing stage. You feel me? Like when you a kid you you absorb shit real fast and it don't just go away. That's why like certain shit, like even if our parents was beefing back in the day and shit got too real, like we ain't gonna never forget that nigga. We'll be fifty. We still gonna remember that shit. So like we gotta keep that in mind too, dog. Like and a lot of people don't keep that in mind. M: Especially with your daughters. Jhalil: Wait, how? M: You don't want them look thinking that's the way to especially be treating your wife bad or something. ⁓ that's the way a guy's supposed to treat him, treat a lady. They broke looking for that. Jhalil: Right, and accepting that shit and all that. Like, yeah, dog, like M: Yeah. Jhalil: ⁓ right, bro. And ⁓ that's that's the main thing, bro. You got that daughter, they always gonna look at how how dad was, bro, on some real shit. M: How dad treat, cause more and nine times out of ten, that's the type of man she wants. Jhalil: ⁓ Deion: And let's keep it G though like M: If rose. Jhalil: Yeah. M: Yeah. Jhalil: I ain't gonna like a statue. He just That's why I'm like, yo, you went to sleep, bruh. Yeah, you gotta think with your head up or something, bro. Deion: I just be thinking this shit, man. M: That nigga robot. ⁓ Deion: It's not Jhalil: Yeah. M: He said to keep it G Jhalil: Well, Deion: Yeah. M: Yeah. Deion: I mean I mean let the real stuff, like the real thoughts, everything like you know what I'm saying? 'Cause that's cute and all that that we've that we you know, that we decided. But I'm looking at it, I'm like. I'm not sure if they gonna know what to do in the situation if they ain't experiencing it. You getting me? Now granted everybody's relationship probably don't turn out toxic or have any of that shit. You could be some some high school sweetheart and really live the rest and don't have no issues. And it'd be way different than your parents doing or whatever. You know what I mean? But at the same time, it's like. M: Right. Yeah. Deion: Your parents argue all the time, but you never saw it. And then you grow to get into a relationship. You kinda be you kinda be positioned in a naive type manner, like. M: Thank you. I think experience is more just from your household, though. Like your parents might not argue, but you got girlfriends who parents argue. Like it's the neighbors argue. Like you going, you're gonna eventually see some argument going on your life. As this ain't your house. I think your house is supposed to teach you how. Deion: Yeah. M: Your father pussy teach you how to treat a lady, how to treat your daughter. Like ever like even your boys look at how you treat your daughter. So that that goes that that helps ⁓ Deion: I get it, but like daddy raised his voice. M: Daddy, what? Deion: Daddy gonna get daddy gonna raise his voice. He got he got emotions, he got feelings too. M: Yeah. Daddy gon' gonna raise his it's a it's a time for everything though. It's when you raise your voice. You see what I'm saying? Like, yeah, of course you're your daughter gonna hear you yell at moments. But why you yell? If you just yelling just to be an asshole, just yelling at your whoever, she look at that. But if you yell when you trying to get your point across, she look at that as well. So it's timing for everything. Jhalil: might not yell like with some low shit that that go on. You might just t you know mean rap or whatever, but if it's something like something serious and you snap a little bit, like, it's that determination where it's like, all right, I know dad gonna snap about some shit like this, but this he might be a little bit more lenient, like M: Is understanding for everything. Deion: What I'm saying right is reality is like your fucking mom did something. to get me there or I did something to get her there. And your reality ain't gonna be your man just trippin'. No, my fucking daughter had a part in that shit. You get what I'm saying? That's realistic. Like knowing women and knowing how they operate, we're gonna think that your daughter gonna be different. Or never experience, like you get what I'm saying? So it's just like I'm not saying that it it it that could happen, but I'm just having this this conversation for people who might. Be experienced in it and really don't know, you know, how I go about ⁓ handling it. You get what I'm saying? But and a lot of times we say the fluffy stuff, no, that we should do it like this. But it's like in reality, like M: What to do? You talking about just regular arguing. Deion: Yeah, like I see I see how my daughter is, bro. She gonna be one. M: ⁓ that that Deion: And I'm already knowing, so I'm not dealing with her like of how I think she should be and princess this. Like, no, you did that nutshit. M: No. Deion: It ain't no That man out there screaming his lungs out cause you did that. I can't pity Pat with that. You feel me? Live guys be like, nah, no matter what my daughter does, she right, this and that like Jhalil: Yeah, no, bro. M: No. Deion: She didn't see that. She didn't see that in the house and real for real. She seen mommy play games and then you ⁓ respond to it. So she knows how to manipulate and play that that thing out with her now relationship. Or whether it was pretty in the house and she doing that so that he don't even suspect nothing. You never know what type of you know I mean? ⁓ sh like you said, they experiments ain't gonna just come from parenting. Most times it's like you try to teach your kid how to ride a bike, it's like, no. Cousin Leak do it and He get it. I've been struggling with this nigga for two months. You heard me like I'm getting frustrated. We got a different attachment. I wanna see you do good. I want like when I rode the bites, I did all the tricks I had, you mean I was nice. So I'm wanting my son to do the same. I got a different ⁓ to me when I'm trying to teach him something. You get me? Like but then cousin we come through once every blue but with Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: You gotta accept that to be like, damn. Cause some men if you're not in the right position, you'll feel a type of way. But if you in a the the proper position or whatever, no duty or nothing. ⁓ you know what I'm saying? Then you you accept that to be like, ⁓ shit, like no just like you go th I don't know if y'all experienced this or even looked at it, right? But my kids went through stages of who they look like. M: Yeah. Deion: I'm talking about like my mom, her dad, like I it was just I'm like, what the fuck? You get me? Like if you don't understand that or think about that, you You get what I'm saying? Like we're like, shit, like This royal as shit. Jhalil: Yeah yeah. Deion: You know what I mean? So I don't I'll be I'll be having a like a seesaw about like how keeping it real and you know I mean if I'm misportraying something about because I'm Jelly like I project like being a good man and all that. But when shit in my face, bro I probably deal with it the same as a lot of humans. M: 'Cause you healed it. Deion: That's just the real of it. But that don't take away the positive info you know advice that I'm giving a person. You feel me? But if you looking at my life and you judging me, then you gonna put less value in what I just told you about how I see outside of me though. Do you feel me? Like. M: Right. Deion: But I like to talk about being real though, you feel me? Cause that's the stuff that really matter, you know I'm saying? I ask people like, what made you say that? Like, you get me? Like, I need to know what's in your brain that made you say that. Like I you feel me? A lot of people don't act, they'll be a girlfuck. They be like, whatever, like that one bother me, you know what I'm saying? Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: So what y'all think about that part? Like y'all think like giving it the real is like cause we don't got no rewind button or like you know what I mean? We doing this thing right here and right now. So and we dealing with our daughters and everybody now. And we we definitely and that's another thing too, I'm sorry to be long winded. Because of those positions in the past, we got now. You know what I mean? So even though we not like we can't see the future, right? But if we teachin' according to now and how to survive now Will that push the future to be the same? Jhalil: No, I don't I don't think so, bro. Cause it's like even now, bro, even as the teachers and leaders and all that of our family, bro, it's still becoming a new age in time. So it's like it's a learning process too, bro. Cause like we can try to teach and teach and teach, but some of that shit is outdated. Like some of our shit is outdated now, bro. In our era when we grew up, it was a certain way. It was like this because these aspects, niggas really played outside. You wanted to slide up on on you on the bro, you pull up on the bike, do whatever, you feel me? It wasn't no phones, it wasn't none of that. We mobbing we know coming at the street lights. We we kinda did the same things, but now it's transitioning to a whole new world, bro, where it's like social media got whole like influence. Like that shit is different. The shit that they experience and go through nowadays, bro, is way different. So it's like We can try to teach all of the things that we, you know, but it's is up to your discernment, bro. And you also gotta add new information into your learning too. Like it ain't just about spinning that old shit, cause it's not compatible to the day. Like real shit. I be I look, and I say I say that to say this, right? Remember we was young boys and it was like, yo, bro, if somebody do something to you, if M: You only think it's comparable. Jhalil: You rumble, or somebody blah, blah, blah. You do this. But nowadays, it's like, with young boys, it's really rumbling, bro. You feel me? So it's like, no, bro, you you gotta like choose your battles wisely. I mean, you gotta learn how to use this too. It's not just about the physical, it's not, and you don't know what the next person is teaching their kids, or if somebody is even teaching their kids, or whatever, bro. So it's like, M: So right. Jhalil: That's what I mean. Like, you know, the information be timeless. Like the the shit is timeless, but at the same time, bro, it's new information in that motherfucker too, bro. Right, bro. We we taking our kids a karate class. Young boys on the blocks with switches. Feel me? Like, what's karate gonna do with that? M: Yeah. You gotta move different. Jhalil: Real shit, like fuck is Taekwondo gonna do with that, like fuck I like you mean. So it's like that shit crazy, bro. Like real rare. M: Mm-hmm. Deion: But ⁓ you had a M: Yeah. Jhalil: That's real shit though, bro. Setting him up for failure, like And they know you do that shit too. They go, ⁓ no, bro, we ain't fighting that nigga, man. He got six black belts. Like. M: Yeah. Ha ha ha. Deion: Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Do we do we parent for the better world? M: Yeah. Jhalil: You say in the background? Deion: No, do we parent for the better world? M: What's the better world? Deion: what we project them to be like. M: No, you gotta teach you gotta you gotta parent the way you parent. You can't predict what's gonna happen. You can't ⁓ this shit gonna be worse when so I gotta now you gotta prepare, you gotta teach what is now. Deion: Right. M: Like your parents taught what was now. They didn't teach you about the future. You learned the future by being in it. Jhalil: That's what it Deion: Yeah. M: And that was the ⁓ that was the shit you was talking about. That's the one John I commented on. Deion: Mm. M: You can't you can't do that. ⁓ you might you might bust your head. So I'm gonna teach you how no Let the motherfucker live. Jhalil: Mm. Deion: Mm-hmm. But I mean like and and that's why I asked you that question too, like about fear. Cause if we f if we fearful that something gonna happen or that the streets is like this, then you know what I'm saying? How are we preparing them? We preparing them already for it to happen, and then that energy makes it happen? M: Mm. Deion: You know what I'm saying? Or as we try as as we try and defer it into a different world where we projected it to be different. And and like you said, none of this could be violent because we going off our emotions about how we would want to see it, but we don't know if that's gonna happen or not. But I imagine enough energy going towards everything being positive, it can happen. M: Or that the energy keep ⁓ keep them Right. You keep ⁓ aware, I think. Jhalil: Yeah, it is different. Yeah, yeah. I really teach my kids like, yo, bro, treat people how you wanna be treated. And then it's like I'm also big on like, yo, you get what you put out, bro. You feel me? Like that's that's one of my main things, bro. Energy, bro, that shit magnetic, dog. Like, so Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: If you walk around a certain way, you walk around confident, you want some positive shit. Most of your situations will be like that. Not to say you won't run into some negative shit, you feel me, or vice versa. But it's like that's mainly what you get, bro. Like it's what you put out. Like it's your intentions with shit, dog. So like I teach my kids to be on that, bro. I teach my son to be on that, like Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: You know, we we in a whole different city and all that, you know? So my son had to go through shit and I had to tell him, like, yo, bro, like, yeah, L, you know, you gonna get in the mixes here and there, bro, but don't think that you top mixer or don't think that like that's the only way to handle shit, bro, because at the same time shit can go bad for you, bro. You don't wanna keep putting that out there, bro. Relax. You feel me? So Is is is really about what you put out there, 'cause I ain't gonna lie, like that's how I see it. Deion: And that's what I mean, like the parenting Like once you got stole It's like you geared to fight. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. But before that, you might be scared. Deion: You know what I'm saying? Like you don't wanna get stole again, like you don't wanna get stole again, you feel me? So We looked at it like it's only ⁓ two options. You gonna be a a coward or you gonna fight. You get what I'm saying? And now I'm looking at it in hindsight. I'm like, damn, we put out that energy. You know what I mean? Like by holding on this shit. So we kinda was tort backwards on like whatever you experienced in life, we kinda took it along with us and then based that on how we moved forward. Right? So if the skinny like did us dirty. We now treat women differently or we operate with women differently. You know what I'm saying? Like So how do you like show like, yeah, baby you fell. But like forget that. Take that out your memory so when you if you so you don't even fall again. M: You gonna fall again, but you gotta teach ⁓ pain don't last. Deion: But see, that's why I'm saying I don't wanna say that you gonna fall again. That's why I'm saying these are the energies that's like keeping these things cycle into continuing. Like you get what I'm saying? Like if nobody if everybody stopped talking about races right now, it's like it gave it four hundred years because every every year people talk that ain't making M: No, I just say pain on ass, get up. They keep bringing it back up. Deion: Now they making a holiday, so it's it's like you pushing for forever. Why are you pushing for forever? I don't wanna be in that story no more. Like you get what I'm saying? Like we evolved so much. But you holding on this shit. M: A million heart, right? Deion: You know what I mean? So that bad experience by you getting robbed. M: They ain't gonna let you never let you forget. Deion: And now it keeps happening though. M: Yeah, mine never thought about like that. Deion: I'm like, ⁓ shit. I'm just thinking about it now, you feel me? And a lot of stuff come from hindsight is like M: But that's the way they they use they that's for control. Every f every February you get fucking Kunta Kente and all them motherfuckers on your screen. Ain't trying to see them. Show kings, show queens. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: And Deion: ⁓ You can't even show that no more. M: Right, trying to see no no chains. Jhalil: Alright, bro. Shit, wow. Deion: It's all of the stories about how the kings and queens sold us in slavery in the first place. M: Is that what they tell you? Deion: Yeah. That was part because it was traded. M: Yes. Deion: So the people that you looked at less than in the kingdom, it was tradable like. So motherfuckers ain't when the Portuguese came to Spain with the guns, shit got different. I mean, the you know how it is the first time you see somebody shoot a gun or raise a gun and see the obedience that it comes with it. 'Cause of the fear and everything that we put the value of the gun, right? So now like to have that is like, nigga, like that's kingship. You feel me? Like that's kingship. And so you imagine you give it to a poor kid that don't got nothing. And once he raised it, he sees what it could do. Who gonna turn back? Who gonna turn back from that? M: Mm-hmm. Deion: You feel me? Like until you get mature enough to, you know, have it in hindsight, like if you don't get taken out by it at the same time too. Cause you know, like we said, energy begots energy, so you live by the gun. But if you so happen to, you know, make it to the other side, yeah, that's everybody thought. You know what I'm saying? Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: So yeah, I I get all that shit, man. That's why we gotta think about The solution different about the problem 'cause We understand that shit, bro. And we be coming from books and all that. And what we think is the right thing. And it's like, no, that nigga got a gun in his hand. It's like he gotta be talked to different. You know what I'm saying? Like but you gotta make ⁓ see the reflection in that jump. Jhalil: Mm. Deion: Like yourself value. You know what I mean? Cause I I was told like pussies gonna shoot first. So if you scared, yeah, to get a nigga off the quickest way, the gun with up, it's like, ⁓ that's turkey shit. Sucker shit to me. You feel me? Even like words going to blows and all that, it's like you emotionally can't handle yourself. And to me, that's a part of training too, and the 48 laws and A thing, because once I get you emotionally, like. off my words and sho you off my command and everything like you feel me? That that felt less to me like to do that. Like Nigga, I ain't no bang, what the fuck you say, like, you feel me? Like and I used to battle with walking away, like I really don't wanna fight this motherfucker, like you feel me? But you know, all that stuff be in your head and this and that, whatever, like now and I'm in my maturities, like, ⁓ yeah, like You I how I'm gonna explain that to my kids. Jhalil: That shit, man. It's a tricky jump, bro. That shit definitely tricky cause it's like, damn, you gotta teach your kids, but then it's like you only can teach ⁓ for certain shit. It can always be something that that new arise out of nowhere. You feel me? Like, real sure. Deion: Yeah. I'ma get y'all on one last journal for our we rock out and shit. The whole journal about like the protection security of our our women, right? Our daughters, our and their mothers. To take somebody out because of your daughter that's violent to y'all. M: Is that violent? Jhalil: What's the situation now? M: I was saying, what happened? Deion: Or or y'all or y'all don't even know 'cause it don't you won't it ain't happened. Or we ain't even thinking that to happen. Jhalil: It's like it's simple, bro. If it's like physical harm it Deion: But for conversation for conversation for conversation sake, you know all the stuff. Jhalil: Yeah, like physical harm or something or like like what a verbal john? Like what? Like 'cause I know for sure like it it can't just be, ⁓ yeah, my daughter mad about something. Yeah, this guy said this and he said he was gonna do that and no I'm no. Like, you feel me? I'm not even teaching my daughter to be equipped like that. First of all, dog, don't even be arguing with no fucking man. Deion: Y'all know. Jhalil: It shouldn't even be no like it shouldn't even be all that. And unless this is your husband or whatever and y'all go back and forth. But if you just on the street and you you gotta just chill with all that, bro. Like call your call your brother, call me something or whatever. But de-escalate your shit. It's it's a de-escalate, dog. Like don't don't just be causing unnecessary shit, cause men, you know, at times we get emotional about shit that we care about. M: Just leave. Yeah, get away. Jhalil: So some females will be like, yo, well this nigga did this, he did it, lying and shit. And then the motherfucker go handle it and then be doing life in jail. Feel me? So it's like we can't teach our kids, our daughters that shit. Like and my wife she already know, like you fuck you'll be out here arguing with a man for it, bro. We don't calm the fuck down. Is that me? Is that you mean? Like, who the fuck you think you is? Like what's to stop me from knocking your head off if I'm not there? You feel me? Like come on dog. That that don't make no sense. M: But I the answer you're joining assists, violence is violence. It just some violence. I I understand the question. I don't I know you don't want to throw throw that in the air. So yeah, violence is violence is violence. Sometimes you just gotta be violent. I'm there Some things you just can't you is you can't let go. Cause it's gonna kill you inside if situations happen, but yeah, violence is violence. Jhalil: ⁓ yeah. Deion: Well even if that take you out even if that's going that violence gonna take you away. M: It's situations. It's it's hard this Reason why I say that because it's at the end of the day you gotta I gotta be look her in the face. Deion: But if she's okay with it. M: I'll If she was okay with whatever happened? Deion: Most videos I ever seen was the daughter screaming daddy like she wanted him to just leave and to be with her, not protect her in a way that is gonna take him away from. M: Mm, no, you talking about like in that situation, ⁓ Shit. And that's a older that's older I t it is it that that that's tough, but I when at that stage Deion: So Jhalil: Okay. M: It's hard to let us hard that it's hard to it's a that's a that's a difficult situation, but You basically let your kid live a life, right? Deion: Yeah, but we all living it's like we got different generations, but this one this are one life. You get me? So at the same time as you living your life, your daughter's living her life. Right? So yeah, it it it might deter how both of result. You get what I'm saying? And that's a tough joint, like, because you got the results of M: Right. Deion: Yeah, internal like You said more. ⁓ M: Regardless, how she lived her life. It's about so it's about so much I'm gonna let you do to my daughter. I don't give a fuck how old she is. Jhalil: Yeah, real rap, dog. And if I'm trying to avoid going away, I might just put that bag on your head, you mean? M: It it's it's but so it's about so much. Okay. Jhalil: Like no. Deion: So you would use a different alternative. M: Yeah, you I guess I think freestyle at the moment. Deion: Yeah. That's a tough drawing though. And w and for some, it might be in the car. M: Yeah. Deion: The bee taken away, whether jail or death. Yeah me? 'Cause we go back to the the the ⁓ choices and all of that and how we was talking like That's that's what we call tragedy. Jhalil: That's what it. Deion: Right, like we call instance tragedy like Jhalil: Just kind of Deion: Your daughter tried to walk away from the guy, but his ego was like, no, little bitch. Yanked her back, spent their whatever, like and it it go there on him hur harming her. And your results is ⁓ I'm coming to you me. And you get taken away, like you know what I'm saying? That wasn't a part of y'all journey in your mind at least. You ain't think about that. Getting taken away from her and all you wouldn't you wouldn't put yourself in that type of position to get any type any of those results. You feel what I'm saying? Like, but these are the type of things like that be happening this shit. M: No. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. M: Light. Deion: And I can't tell if One is supposed to happen or not. You get what I'm saying? Cause like you said, you can live with it can be dramatic both ways. Like you walk away and then you constantly thinking about that. M: That could that could that could fuck you up just as bad. Deion: You get what I'm saying? And then you can rock and roll the other way and then it'd be just as bad. You know what I mean? So I wouldn't even know if we got the the right results at the end. You know what I mean? Because if we away and she get into more situations that's even worse. I mean, it it can't hurt you because if you did or whatever, but. M: Yeah. Yeah, noose. You only dare to protect it. Deion: You know, if you in jail or whatever, you just keep hearing it. All that shit gonna be psychological, like you know what I mean? And your rabb would not even had to deal with it at all. But this our world right now, like, you get me? Like where all of those I seen a I heard a story. The wife was in a s in a Walmart and I don't she must have intervened in somebody else's couple and then it engaged in them going back and forth. So she called her husband and shit. He come through. Matter of fact, it said in the joint that he she told him to bring the gun. M: I think I I think I heard that. Yeah. Deion: Yeah. And he came and he went right in. She she ⁓ identified him like he ain't got no shirt on, he this and that. He just came in, no rap or nothing, just killed the bull or whatever. And he tried dip and then the cops killed him. You know what I mean? Like and there's so many instances like that. M: Yeah, she was toxic. Deion: In in the hood where where live motherfuckers toxic, you feel me? Cause all of that that's happening all the time. Like, whether it be from a sister, like your sister call you, your mom, your your aunt, you feel me? Like and like you said earlier, John, like we come in different. Men on men, it ain't gonna be alive. Jhalil: Yeah. M: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Jhalil: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Deion: Like plus if Jhalil: Ain't really no conflict resolution, like. Deion: Especially on the sides of how the how the woman tell the story. Jhalil: Real shit, bro. And that's that's a big part of it too. That's why I was like, man, it's so vital that you you really gotta like teach, like teach your kids and like have these conversations with ⁓ bro. 'Cause it's like understand the consequences, like, you feel me, even like going back and forth with somebody or a man or somebody that that could have the potential to do something to you. You know that your dad is not playing about you. Deion: So ⁓ Jhalil: Feel me, you know that your mom, your brothers, none of us is playing about you. So be real delicate on shit that you get yourself in, first of all, and and second of all, what you call me to. Feel me like real rare, bro. So that they gotta be taught. And like, you feel me? They gotta be around people that's that's on the right shit. Cause if you got your kids around all that ghetto shit. A watching baddies and and doing shit that's not for kids, bro. That shit is a a heavy influence, bro. Cause shit, that shit go back to all that absorbing shit, bro. Like you gonna absorb the shit that you around, bro. How you think niggas was in the streets? How you think we all like not all of us, like, I can't speak for everybody, but like, shit, that's why I was fucking around and doing shit in the streets, bro, 'cause I was around that shit. I'm from the projects. So it was like, you know? Just i that shit a real delicate situation, bro. But the day and time is like it's way more important than it was like when I was growing up, bro. It was like a it was a different set of rules. But now it's like in certain s situations it seemed like it's no rules. That shit kinda spooky, bro. Deion: ⁓ Mm-hmm. M: Mm. Jhalil: That's what I be trying to nip that shit in the butt from the rip. You don't be out here arguing with no fucking men. You don't even get yourself in a position where you around like certain things, cause like that ain't even for you. So stay in your lane. Deion: This job could definitely go on forever, like it's more really to talk about, you feel me? I think we touched like a lot good Jones, you know what I'm saying? So I appreciate you brothers, you know what I mean? Like I know we all got our family, our life and everything, you know what I'm saying? ⁓ any final ⁓ Words or anything? M: I got shit. Love life. ⁓ Deion: Yeah, Jhalil: For really nice. Mm-hmm. Yeah, man. I I got some advice, man. Like, all right, like, although like people, you know, although like we might not be in like situations that we wanna be in or like places that we want to live in. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Do your best to like take your family and travel and see other cultures and other things and all of that. Like, you feel me? Like, so you can see a different perspective on things. Like, that's that's my advice. Like, you can stay in your means. It can be another section of the city. It can be a park you never visited. It could be something that you just do to bond with your family and your kids to ⁓ to get them a different experience. Like, I feel like the more that you do that. the less bullshit that you know you'll get into in life, bro. And you'll be able to maneuver better. Like. So that's that's my advice. Just 'cause we in a ghetto, that don't mean we gotta be around ghetto shit all the time. You feel me? Deion: I think what I learned right was like because you go through a traumatic situation, like we we we can't take that with us in our journey in this life. And I see it that I have like and I I I made decisions off of them Johns and I keep them Johns around until now like you feel me and and I'm seeing like Jhalil: ⁓ right. Deion: Damn, that play a big part. You feel me? Cause The traumas from our parents and all that, that should just come down. You feel me? To where as though we keep projecting it ahead, thinking that it's gonna reappear, that it does. You know what I mean? And that psycho just keep going. And it's like, nah, like that trauma was for your journey. however it hurt, whatever, it was for you to learn something to to to gain it and then, you know what I mean, move on, but not hold it. You get what I'm saying? I'm r I'm really realizing that now and I'm like, damn, like I s I could see why like a lot of this shit the way it is, we just keep putting it in emotion. Just keep putting it emotion through the tongue and all of that, like the words we use, everything, like you know what I'm saying? You know, I I just say take heed to that. Your life, your journey is for you. Keep it for you. You feel me? It's too much projection or Girl, if that was me, I would've this ain't your journey. This ain't your journey. That shit's for your journey. M: Hmm. It wasn't you. Deion: If I gotta use your tools on my problem, they probably won't fit. It's not me, but you we keep crossing them and then that's why we so cross now, like you feel me? And it's like, nah, like you feel me, your journey is for your journey, like M: Right. Jhalil: I should Deion: And they're they gonna cross path with other journeys and they the ones that's supposed to and and they the work high work, you know what I'm saying? But yeah. ⁓ you know this is a value shift, you know what I'm saying? Like it should be a two c be continued this shit, right? Like is this Joe Well M: You can definitely do that. Make a little on the weekend or a little bit earlier. I got my eyes. yeah. Jhalil: Niggas on here with the little eyes, bruh. Deion: Right. I thought you went to the ⁓ and shit. Your girls got low and shuts and damn. M: ⁓ I ain't burned nothing, nigga. Jhalil: Mm. M: They got been up since like four this morning. Deion: Yeah. Same shit. Yeah. I gotta turn around, do it. But yeah, man, I appreciate y'all. Y'all have a good night, man, and the rest of your game. Yeah. I'm gonna hit you in chair. We definitely ⁓ try a shoot for like an early in the sun Sunday or something. M: Yeah, it's ⁓ You see, Sunday's is my good day. I'm I ain't got work Monday. So this time right now, I might have been a little bit tipsy and everything right now, so I'd have been good. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Okay. Deion: So yeah, we'll try to shoot for like a Sunday but earlier and shit. ⁓ Jhalil: Let's M: Yeah. Deion: All right, so no don't M: ⁓ well.