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DIDDY WATCH: CLOCK TICKING DOWN ON DIDDY HEARING IN JUST HOURS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are on Ditty Watch.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. The claw is ticking it down on Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. That's right. We are on Ditty Watch.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to TISA Tails joining us TISA Tales on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube TASA Tails. What do we expect to go down
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom tomorrow? Number one? Will Sean Combs make
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  Speaker 1: a star appearance in person or in court or will
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  Speaker 1: Shawn Combs aka Ditty be on the big screen again
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  Speaker 1: in other words, remote video from the jail TISA Tels.
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  Speaker 1: What are the expected arguments? What are we expecting tomorrow?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we are expecting Sean Didty Colms to come into
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  Speaker 2: the courtroom once again and make a mockery out of
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  Speaker 2: the legal system. This man is doing a victory lab.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why because at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: day didn't get all five charges. Absolutely not. But he
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  Speaker 2: has two serious charges that are sex crimes and are
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  Speaker 2: sex trafficking agenda adjacent. Okay, but again, did he lives
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  Speaker 2: in delusion land and it seems like that delusion actually
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  Speaker 2: did work out?
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  Speaker 1: Will he be in court tomorrow? What's his other option?
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  Speaker 3: To be in his jail cell with the rats and
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  Speaker 3: roaches awaiting his bell, hearing Sean Diddy Cumbs can't wait
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  Speaker 3: to put on his Bill Cosby sweater, to stroll in there,
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  Speaker 3: to say love.
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  Speaker 4: To see his family clap like the head coach has
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  Speaker 4: just come to win the championship game. Now, I will
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  Speaker 4: say one thing I do expect also, or at least
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  Speaker 4: I hope. I hope Sean Diddy Coombs supporters act a
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  Speaker 4: full tomorrow. I hope they remind everyone and keep it
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  Speaker 4: in fresh everybody's mind who this man is, who supporters are,
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  Speaker 4: and what if he is allowed on.
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  Speaker 1: The street will actually happen.
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  Speaker 2: Last time the courtout was in pandemonium and had to
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  Speaker 2: get locked down. I hope that his supporters come out
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  Speaker 2: and embarrass him to an important message to the judge
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  Speaker 2: about what.
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  Speaker 1: This man is and what he stands for.
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  Speaker 2: But will we be there absolutely at least the rights
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  Speaker 2: and riches in this cage. You're hoping so they can
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  Speaker 2: have a day off from his antics.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Dwayne Hendricks joining US former Associate Warden, MDC Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 1: former Senior Warden, the US Departner of Justice, founder of
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  Speaker 1: a new d Alite foundation, and author of who Are
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  Speaker 1: You See It? Say It Sees It? Doctor Dwayne Hendrix.
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  Speaker 1: How does a video court appearance happen? From behind bars?
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  Speaker 1: What well Shawn comes in the studio? Lighting, makeup, hair?
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  Speaker 5: In the bureau prisons as well as the cress's industry
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  Speaker 5: as a whole, it has become very commonplace for virtual
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  Speaker 5: remote hearings, especially after the onset of the COVID nineteen pandemic.
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  Speaker 5: These hearings are held in the visiting room area of
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  Speaker 5: the institution and inmates are brought down about fifteen to
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  Speaker 5: twenty minutes to the meeting starting, and staff will test
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  Speaker 5: along with the core staff audio and visual to ensure
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  Speaker 5: that the meeting can start on time. These meetings happen.
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  Speaker 5: These virtual meetings happen weekly across the country, and so
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  Speaker 5: there shouldn't be any issues with mister combs upcoming.
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  Speaker 1: Hearing Joining me now, renowned defense attorney Eric Fatas, what
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  Speaker 1: will the defense argument be? Okay?
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  Speaker 6: So at sencing Diddy's defense team.
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  Speaker 7: Needs to argue these two important factors. At every criminal sentencing,
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  Speaker 7: a judge is going to look at whether the defendant
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  Speaker 7: has a criminal history.
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  Speaker 6: The judge is also going to look at the seriousness.
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  Speaker 7: Of the charges here did he doesn't have a record,
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  Speaker 7: He doesn't have sort of this long rap sheet that
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  Speaker 7: could be concerning to a judge who's deciding what a
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  Speaker 7: sentence should be.
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  Speaker 6: His defense team needs to hammer on that.
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  Speaker 7: Additionally, looking at the seriousness of the charges, you know,
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  Speaker 7: interstate transportations for purposes of prostitution, although problematic.
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  Speaker 6: Is not the crime of the century.
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  Speaker 7: Datty's defense team could style it as, Hey, look, this
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  Speaker 7: is really a misdemeanor state level prostitution conviction, and the
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  Speaker 7: only thing that made of the federal offense is the
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  Speaker 7: interstate transportation. It is not overly egregious, and the judge
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  Speaker 7: should not consider any unproved allegations that the jury rejected.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, Sidney, isn't
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  Speaker 1: it true that Shawn Commes has already tampered with witnesses
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  Speaker 1: from behind bars?
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  Speaker 8: Well, witness tampering is really why Colmes wasn't let.
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  Speaker 1: Out weeding up to trial in the first place.
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  Speaker 9: Several judges felt like there was no combination of conditions
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  Speaker 9: outside of jail that would prevent Colmes from tampering with witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: And even behind bars Colmes.
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  Speaker 8: Was caught using other inmates' phone access codes so that
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  Speaker 8: he could contact unauthorized individuals people that were blocked on
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  Speaker 8: his own phone app access codes. And when he wasn't
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  Speaker 8: using another inmate's phone access code.
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  Speaker 1: He called his son and then had his son loop.
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  Speaker 9: In those unauthorized contacts on a third line.
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  Speaker 6: On top of.
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  Speaker 9: That, prison security unearthed a reminder that Comes wrote to
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  Speaker 9: instruct a family member to find dirt on potential victims.
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  Speaker 6: And it goes even further.
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  Speaker 9: When Dawn Richard filed her lawsuit alleging abuse during her
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  Speaker 9: time on making the band with Danity Kane, he contacted
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  Speaker 9: another member of that girl group fifty eight times in
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  Speaker 9: four days.
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  Speaker 1: We know from.
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  Speaker 9: Testimony that Comes also tried to contact Mia. He used
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  Speaker 9: a most trusted security guard, de Rock, to try and
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  Speaker 9: bribe her into silence.
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  Speaker 8: And finally we heard several phone calls to ex girlfriend
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  Speaker 8: Jane during testimony and this was right after Cassie's lawsuit.
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  Speaker 8: Prosecutors said that you could hear a pen.
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  Speaker 9: Scratching in the background making notes, and apparently that was
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  Speaker 9: Christina Kora feeding Colmes what to say to Jane in
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  Speaker 9: an attempt to keep her from speaking with the authorities.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, fattus, what do you have to say to that.
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  Speaker 7: Remember, the judge in the federal criminal case actually declined
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  Speaker 7: to allow a bond for that very reason, because the
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  Speaker 7: judge was concerned that did he might go out and
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  Speaker 7: unduly influence witnesses in the federal criminal case.
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  Speaker 6: However, that case is done.
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  Speaker 1: There are no more witnesses in that case.
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  Speaker 6: If there's any concern that did he might be tampering with.
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  Speaker 7: Or intimidating witnesses to other cases, the judges in those
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  Speaker 7: other cases have.
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  Speaker 6: To handle that.
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  Speaker 1: Linna Shaw, founder director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficing on girls and women. What's your message to
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  Speaker 1: the judge, Lynn Nancy?
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  Speaker 10: My message to the judges that he go back and
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  Speaker 10: think about all those victims and their impact statements, and
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  Speaker 10: even think about the victims we did not even hear
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  Speaker 10: from that He do this in the name of all
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  Speaker 10: victims of sex trafficking, sexual abuse, rape. He keeps this
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  Speaker 10: in the back of his mind. He keeps that Cassie
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  Speaker 10: video where she's being dragged down the hallway.
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  Speaker 1: By her hoodie, by her neck, being kicked.
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  Speaker 10: Even when she's on the floor, not moving.
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  Speaker 6: This is violence.
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  Speaker 10: I don't care how you slice it.
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  Speaker 6: We all know it's violence.
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  Speaker 10: The judge himself when the jury came back and said
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  Speaker 10: no sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he.
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  Speaker 10: Does relate to everybody out there, not just the victims
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  Speaker 10: of Sean Dirty Ditty Combs, but he did say to
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  Speaker 10: Ditty's lawyers when they were seeking bail, full throatedly violence,
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  Speaker 10: violence being the keyword. So we're going to hope. We're
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  Speaker 10: going to pray that the.
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  Speaker 1: Judge gives Ditty.
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  Speaker 10: Time time, and you know what, we're going to pray
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  Speaker 10: that he does this in the name of all victims,
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  Speaker 10: of all survivors of sex tal because you know what
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  Speaker 10: they're watching.
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  Speaker 1: Ross Shooter, what's your message to the judge.
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  Speaker 11: These two lesser crimes are still really major, major crimes,
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  Speaker 11: and he should be made to pay for both of them.
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  Speaker 11: You have witnessed firsthand who this guy is. He has
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  Speaker 11: been in your court room for six seven weeks. We've
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  Speaker 11: heard testimony, violence, threats, alleged kidnappings. No, he isn't changed.
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  Speaker 11: He's empowered. He's feeling more powerful than he's ever felt before.
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  Speaker 11: And that power with Puffy, it doesn't just sit there
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  Speaker 11: under the surface. No, it bubbles up, Nancy, it explodes.
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  Speaker 1: That is what's your message to the judge.
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  Speaker 7: My message to the judge in the Didty case is
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  Speaker 7: to not be swayed by the tithes of public opinion.
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  Speaker 7: You know, in the beginning of the federal criminal case,
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  Speaker 7: Diddy was vilified. He was he was cast as a
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  Speaker 7: complete monster. At the end of it, when he prevailed
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  Speaker 7: on the most serious charges, folks, some were touting.
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  Speaker 6: Him as a hero and that kind of thing. I
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  Speaker 6: think the judge needs to make sure that the sentence
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  Speaker 6: he is.
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  Speaker 7: Imposing is irrespective of any kind of social pressure or
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  Speaker 7: ideas about who did He is that come from a
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  Speaker 7: source other than inside that courtroom and what that judge witnessed.
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  Speaker 7: I think the judge needs to consider the lack of
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  Speaker 7: criminal history, the seriousness or perhaps non seriousness of the
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  Speaker 7: convictions of which did He was convicted, and also, you
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  Speaker 7: know what message this sentence might send to society, to
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  Speaker 7: alleged victims, to folks who are wrongly accused.
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  Speaker 1: All of those things are.
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  Speaker 6: Going to be front of mind for that judge.
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  Speaker 1: Straight back to Tisa Tales joining us Tasa Tales on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Tisa what exactly is going to go down tomorrow in court.
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  Speaker 2: So for the plan is for the media to get
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  Speaker 2: up and we are going to assemble again.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Shaun Didty Combs.
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  Speaker 2: This hearing is going to go down now the government
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  Speaker 2: what it's fine to have his bond hearing on October second.
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  Speaker 1: Sources are saying that Ditty is desperate.
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  Speaker 2: To get out of the MBC and go to Club
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  Speaker 2: Fed or at least a cleaner, better one detention facility.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, MDC is known.
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  Speaker 2: For being cold, it's being dank, there's rats, roaches, who
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  Speaker 2: else is going on? Okay, so what do they expect?
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  Speaker 2: It is going to be a fight. Actually, people say
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  Speaker 2: it might be going on for hours. But the government
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  Speaker 2: is just going to be sitting there with his hands
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  Speaker 2: folded because Judge Aaron has already told.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody what he thinks of Diddy.
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  Speaker 2: Now Didty's team is expected to come out swinging.
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  Speaker 1: They already think that they conned the jury.
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  Speaker 2: I think they think that they can actually con judge Aaron.
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  Speaker 2: But if the past is indicative of there is any
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  Speaker 2: indication on what we can expect, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a tough, upheld battle. And again he was not impressed
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  Speaker 2: with what Diddy's people did to the courthouse last time.
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  Speaker 1: Now what will it be?
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  Speaker 2: It will be on closed circuit stream throughout the courthouse,
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  Speaker 2: of course, They'll be the courtroom and it'll be streamed
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  Speaker 2: to the overflow room. We are expected expecting Mark Agnifilia
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  Speaker 2: Toll put on his rocky suit, take those gloves and
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  Speaker 2: fight for his client, Satan Incarnate's justice again.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a show, probably a very.
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  Speaker 2: Disgusting, disturbing show. Let's not forget that Mark Agnifilial had
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  Speaker 2: the nerve to suggest that what he did to Jane
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  Speaker 2: was provoked or self defense. Let's see if Mark actually
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  Speaker 2: got a little bit more since since last time he
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  Speaker 2: made those outlandish claims.
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  Speaker 1: However, Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Think so, because one thing I can say about the
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  Speaker 2: Dream Team, they will keep doubling down, and can you
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  Speaker 2: blame them because if it worked once, I'm sure they
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  Speaker 2: think it'll work again.
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  Speaker 1: The did he watch is in town down. What will
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  Speaker 1: the judge do? Each side arguing its best for its client,
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  Speaker 1: for the defense, arguing for Shaw Combs, for the state,
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  Speaker 1: arguing for the people, including the victims in this case?
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  Speaker 1: But how did we end up here? Shawn Comes will
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  Speaker 1: spend no time behind bars, and Shawn Combs will spend
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  Speaker 1: life behind bars. It's all down to twelve gurrrs. We
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  Speaker 1: are headed into a verdict. Watch here at Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Now straight to Crime Stories. Investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, Sidney.
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  Speaker 1: The state is braced closing arguments going throughout the day.
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  Speaker 1: The state went five hours in closing arguments and they
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  Speaker 1: were withering the jury, making notes furiously and leaning forward
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  Speaker 1: in their seats. That's always a good sign. But you
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  Speaker 1: can't call this in the fifth inning. No, there's a
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  Speaker 1: long way to go, Sydney Summer Today. Defense closing arguments
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  Speaker 1: start at the beginning with Seawan Kinmes walking into the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom altona must stay. What happened? Well, Nancy?
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  Speaker 12: We have heard reports, but did He has been greeting
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  Speaker 12: his lawyers with a yoga studio esque bow. Class's hands together,
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  Speaker 12: gives them a little nod of respect as he greets
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  Speaker 12: them in the morning. Today is all about.
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  Speaker 1: Pent Just stop right there? What what woll whoa? Whoa woe?
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  Speaker 1: What a yoga zen thing? What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, I don't know if you've ever been to
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  Speaker 12: a yoga class. I used to attend pretty often.
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  Speaker 1: But you just at the end of class, at.
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  Speaker 12: The beginning of class, you put your hands together and
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  Speaker 12: you do a short little bow to everyone else in
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  Speaker 12: the classroom to show your respect for every one. And
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  Speaker 12: that's exactly what Colins has been doing to all eight
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  Speaker 12: of his lawyers in the courtroom every morning when he
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  Speaker 12: comes to see them.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney, you cannot live in New York City, in Manhattan
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  Speaker 1: and not be subjected to a yoga class, particularly a
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  Speaker 1: hot yoga class the worst. But what you're saying is
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  Speaker 1: like a zen Nama stay, oh okay, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: straight out to Lynnshaw joining me, executive director, founder of
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  Speaker 1: Lynn's Lawyers, dedicated to ending exploitation trafficking of women and girls.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Nama, stay my rear end. He can nom
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  Speaker 1: stay his way all the way to the MDC. He
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  Speaker 1: was an all Noma stay in the middle of all
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  Speaker 1: these freak coughs. You know how big of a stack
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  Speaker 1: they had to do an eight hundred number for all
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  Speaker 1: the women calling in claiming that they were victims of
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  Speaker 1: Sean Comb's freak offs, King Knights, Hotel Knights, what ever,
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  Speaker 1: whatever ephem is, and he wants to use these women
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  Speaker 1: claiming they were drugged in their drinks, that they woke
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  Speaker 1: up covered in baby oil with their vagina's herding, and
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  Speaker 1: he's all no mistake, my rear end.
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  Speaker 10: What a slap in the face to all victims of
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  Speaker 10: any kind of sexual exploitation abuse.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is horrific.
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  Speaker 10: And you know what, I'm putting my money on the
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  Speaker 10: jury that everybody can see right through this, this act
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  Speaker 10: of contrition, because this is horrific that he's allowed to
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  Speaker 10: walk into court an easy He's being all cute and calm,
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  Speaker 10: and you know what, yesterday I was saying, I don't
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  Speaker 10: want to call him the nicknames. I've called him dirty
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  Speaker 10: Diddy and things like that, But today I want to
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  Speaker 10: go back to that because I am sick and tired
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  Speaker 10: of this. Who is protecting, who is talking to, who
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  Speaker 10: is giving advice counsel to these hundreds as far as
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  Speaker 10: we know right, you know, victims of his, probably thousands
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  Speaker 10: over the years. So I'm just hoping that this playbook
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  Speaker 10: of his, this dirty Diddy playbook, everybody's onto him, everybody's
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  Speaker 10: sick of him, and you know what, we have to
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  Speaker 10: turn that focus and hope and hope and hope that victims, survivors,
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  Speaker 10: anybody watching this this he's turning it into a laugh
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  Speaker 10: you know, a laugh stockfest here, you know, some kind
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  Speaker 10: of festival.
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  Speaker 1: This is a court of law. He's supposed to.
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  Speaker 10: Be up for his life right and the family and
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  Speaker 10: him and the lawyer singing. It's too much, Nancy, It's
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  Speaker 10: just too much.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Did you hear that yesterday? Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: you were with us last night when we learned that Agnifolo,
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  Speaker 1: the defense attorney went on the mic and started singing
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  Speaker 1: her name was Lola. He started singing copa, cabana and
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  Speaker 1: a sex trafficking trial. And it just threw me over
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  Speaker 1: the edge because I have dealt with rape victims. You know,
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  Speaker 1: look around, look around. I'm looking around the studio. At
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  Speaker 1: least one in four women had been sex assault victims.
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  Speaker 1: Think about that, Think about it. You'd never suspect have
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  Speaker 1: been sex assault victims. And he's singing copa into the microphone.
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  Speaker 1: And now Seawn comes comes in and does a nama stay. Really,
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  Speaker 1: he can chill out behind bars for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: his life, for all I care y, Well, he is
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  Speaker 1: not just what is this?
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  Speaker 13: Well, it's one more male and females do it to
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  Speaker 13: minimizing the severity of sex trafficking. Nancy, I don't think
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  Speaker 13: our nation or world really understands what sex trafficking is.
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  Speaker 1: This whole question that.
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  Speaker 13: Maybe the women consented that means they were in a
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  Speaker 13: relationship and not that they were coerced.
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  Speaker 1: Is so false when you think of the whole.
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  Speaker 13: Psychology of sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace save me Sumner. After all,
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  Speaker 1: the Anoma stay went down in the courtroom.
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  Speaker 12: What happened, Well, Mark Agnipolo came up to the stand
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  Speaker 12: to start giving his closing arguments, and I'm curious to
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  Speaker 12: see how short they're going to be. Are they going
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  Speaker 12: to be just like the case in chief, only a
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  Speaker 12: few minutes, wrapping this up nice and quickly for the defense.
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  Speaker 12: But his very first words was, you've heard two different trials.
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  Speaker 12: You've heard the evidence trial and you've heard the prosecutor's trial.
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  Speaker 12: The words coming out of their mouths, and those words
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  Speaker 12: are extremely exaggerated. This is just a swinger's lifestyle. That's
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  Speaker 12: what the evidence told you, But prosecutors are telling you
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  Speaker 12: this was a crime.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. The minimization of what happened that
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  Speaker 1: the women are hysterical. Why so always women are hysterical
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  Speaker 1: and they're exaggerating. And the female prosecutor that gave the
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  Speaker 1: closing arguments, which were brilliant, by the way, Christie Slavic exaggeration.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Eric Fattus, there are women on that jury, right.
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  Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, veteral on trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: He is the founding partner of Varner Fattest, elite legal
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  Speaker 1: and former felony prosecutor. That would be the last thing
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to do if if I were Lord,
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  Speaker 1: help me. A defense attorney is claiming that all the
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  Speaker 1: women are hysterical and exaggerating. You know, there's some women
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  Speaker 1: sitting on that jury going say what.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, Nancy, there are sensitive issues in this case, clearly,
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  Speaker 14: and as a defense attorney, you've got to make sure
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  Speaker 14: you're not offending the sensibilities of the jurors. You can
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  Speaker 14: be passionate, you can be a zealous advocate, but you've
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  Speaker 14: got to be careful about, you know, playing into some
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  Speaker 14: trope that women who have been victimized and who are
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  Speaker 14: survivors were just you know, making it up or making
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  Speaker 14: a big deal out of nothing. Or something like that.
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  Speaker 14: And so I think he's got to really be careful
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  Speaker 14: because he loves the risk of rubbing them the wrong way,
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  Speaker 14: and then you know that impression is left with them.
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  Speaker 14: Back of the deliberation room.
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  Speaker 1: Straight back out to Sydney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that Sean Comes had his son Christian Comes
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  Speaker 1: along with what his god uncle Kanye very busy last night.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, they have released an EP today and one of
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  Speaker 12: the songs on that EP is called Ditty Free, and
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  Speaker 12: the lyrics say that we aren't going to sleep until
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  Speaker 12: we see Ditty Free, and the lyrics actually mention you, Nancy.
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  Speaker 12: They don't understand, but they stand me. Tell him gives
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  Speaker 12: me grace, even Nancy. So this isn't the first song
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  Speaker 12: that he's released speaking about his dad's legal troubles, and honestly,
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  Speaker 12: I don't think they're doing any positive things for him.
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  Speaker 12: This Bible might come in handy, this rifle might come
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  Speaker 12: in handy. I don't think threatening gun violence is really
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  Speaker 12: doing much to persuade anyone that your dad is innocent
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  Speaker 12: of these crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you know that your ors get to go home
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  Speaker 1: every night, they are not sequestered and they can be
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  Speaker 1: exposed to this rap song created by God Help Him,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Combs and Kanye. Why you would want your child
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  Speaker 1: around Kanye?
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  Speaker 11: I do not know.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a whole other can of worms. Let's take
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  Speaker 1: a look at the lyrics. Ain't going to sleep till
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  Speaker 1: we see Diddi Free, Ain't gonna sleep till we see
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  Speaker 1: Diddy free. When gets suss they try to play the victim,
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  Speaker 1: playing the victim, that's an attack on the victims outspoken.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't keeping in uh blah blah blah blah. Now
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  Speaker 1: you know I noticed part of it refers to a
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  Speaker 1: Plan B with which is an abortion drug which came
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  Speaker 1: up during this trial. It says they ain't got to lose.
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  Speaker 1: What are they talking about? The victims or the jurors?
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  Speaker 1: I ain't one of them. And then it goes on
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  Speaker 1: to talk about astro what astro glide? And it says, like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: why am I in the tabloids? You know what, that's
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  Speaker 1: a really good question. Why comes as children have been
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  Speaker 1: dragged into this? They are being used as a pr
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  Speaker 1: tool And now you want to tell me this happened
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  Speaker 1: without Sean comes knowing that it would drop just before
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  Speaker 1: the defense closing arguments. Further, looking at the lyrics that
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  Speaker 1: dropped last night, the Bible might come in handy like
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  Speaker 1: what it's a prop in. Of course Christ gets dragged
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  Speaker 1: in it's one night. I want Jesus Christ to answer.
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  Speaker 1: Then they want to stop me the kid. They want
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  Speaker 1: to stop the kid like a plan be Okay, we
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  Speaker 1: heard the testimony, and we know about whether the jury
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  Speaker 1: understands it fully that one woman was forced into an abortion.
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  Speaker 1: They don't understand me. Tell them give me grace even Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: and it refers to bad boy throughout. That would be
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  Speaker 1: bad Boy records. Okay, let's hear it. They don't understand
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  Speaker 1: what they stand and tell them give me grace even this. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You know some people ask, are you angry? No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm full of remorse for what Seaan Colmes is doing
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  Speaker 1: to his children. I'm Eric fattis joining me veteran try
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  Speaker 1: a lawyer. Have you ever prosecuted a case where the children,
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  Speaker 1: unless they were the victims, thought their parents did it?
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  Speaker 1: Because I don't think I've ever had a case where
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  Speaker 1: the children thought their dad was guilty. Even adult children,
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  Speaker 1: they never believe the parent did it.
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  Speaker 14: I can't think of one.
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  Speaker 6: Really.
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  Speaker 14: The family often rallies around the defendant in these cases,
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  Speaker 14: you know, provides support. They want to believe, they want
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  Speaker 14: to believe their family member is not guilty of these
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  Speaker 14: heinous allegations. And that's understandable. But oftentimes, like you mentioned,
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  Speaker 14: the family can be brought in sort of as ponds,
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  Speaker 14: sometimes in the trial itself, sometimes outside the trial, especially
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  Speaker 14: in these highly publicized cases. And I think a lot
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  Speaker 14: of folks think that that maybe what was going on
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  Speaker 14: with Diddy and his children.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take one more listen to Didty Free? This is
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  Speaker 1: released by possibly the only person in the world that
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  Speaker 1: think Shawn Combs is innocent, and that would be his
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  Speaker 1: son standing by him, God bless him, Christian King Combs,
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  Speaker 1: and of course the illustrious Kanye.
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  Speaker 2: They don't understand, but they stand and tell them give
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  Speaker 2: me grace, even.
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  Speaker 1: Shawn Cobs's devoutas mobbing the courthouse the day they thought
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  Speaker 1: he would walk free. Take a look that's from Arman
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  Speaker 1: Wiggins on Instagram. Does any of this effect the judge?
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  Speaker 1: The judge is supposed to be separate and apart from
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  Speaker 1: the outside world, but does the judge listen to any
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  Speaker 1: of this joining us RightNow, Psycho Alys out of la
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, do you believe the judge is truly
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  Speaker 1: immune to what the mob mentality is demanding outside the courthouse, Nancy.
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  Speaker 13: This judge will not be immune to the mob mentality
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  Speaker 13: outside the courthouse. Judges care I'm married to a judge.
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  Speaker 13: They do form their own conclusions. They do try to
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  Speaker 13: uphold the law, and they do respect the verdict that
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  Speaker 13: the jury comes back with. But they have their own
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  Speaker 13: mind and their own way of thinking, and they are
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  Speaker 13: very seasoned at what they do. So this is something
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  Speaker 13: that's going to follow this judge the rest of his life.
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  Speaker 13: He's going to think about it, he's going to worry
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  Speaker 13: about it. In your Nancy, I think too, there are
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  Speaker 13: many people who are frightened right now of consequences from
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  Speaker 13: P Diddy Combs. And I don't know if you know this,
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  Speaker 13: but a lot of judges want security after court cases
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  Speaker 13: like this because.
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  Speaker 1: They do feel threatened.
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  Speaker 13: So I think that's going to be weighing heavily on
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  Speaker 13: this judge's mind.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of mob mentality, tastes of Tales, could you describe
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  Speaker 1: what the so called mob did to you? Following a verdict.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, as everybody knows, I was accosted outside the courthouse,
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  Speaker 2: and that was putting it lightly.
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  Speaker 4: Scum did he supporting scum literally rolling around like the.
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  Speaker 2: Mob from Beauty and the Beasts looking for me so
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  Speaker 2: they could, according.
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  Speaker 1: To what they were telling their followers, lay their hands
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  Speaker 1: and feet on me.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to Cassie was going to be nothing compared
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  Speaker 2: to what they planned to.
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  Speaker 1: Do to me, which is what they told me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that was incredibly it was eye opening. Okay, now
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  Speaker 2: at the time, thank goodness, I did have security, but
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  Speaker 2: it was incredibly eye opening.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of Diddy's victims are saying they're worried.
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  Speaker 1: About what happens that did. He is vengeful, he is prabmatic.
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  Speaker 2: But more importantly, I saw the base of the fear,
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he has a very loyal following of idiots.
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  Speaker 1: He did not have to give them.
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  Speaker 2: A penny, He doesn't even have to thank them, He doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Even have to know who they are. He is happy
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  Speaker 1: they are happy.
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  Speaker 2: To do his bidding, or what he showed everybody what
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  Speaker 2: his bidding is. I fear for the victims, I fear
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  Speaker 2: for anybody that actually speaks out. Okay, Diddy and the
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  Speaker 2: people around him, and my opinion, are not safe. And
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  Speaker 2: that jury, like I've always said, sent a signal that
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  Speaker 2: domestic violence isn't real violence. It's okay if you have
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  Speaker 2: to use your hands and feet to put a woman
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  Speaker 2: in their place. And that's scary to actually think that
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  Speaker 2: you have a band of misfit, bumb losers who are
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  Speaker 2: willing to do your bidding. At the end of the
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  Speaker 2: day and interesting in love, I expect this to be
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  Speaker 2: a new day.
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  Speaker 1: Because it has come out that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that were even trying to accost me attack me actually
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  Speaker 1: have their own domestic violence cases coming up. Again, you
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  Speaker 1: cannot make this up, but this is.
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  Speaker 2: The type of support that Sean Diddy Coalms brings out
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  Speaker 2: for himself.
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  Speaker 15: There's no drug possession charges, there's no like assault, there's
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  Speaker 15: not really charges that you can say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 15: I don't want to send him to prison for fifteen years,
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  Speaker 15: but I don't like him and he's a bad person,
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  Speaker 15: so let's convict him of this and he'll get a
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  Speaker 15: couple of years, which is very often what juries do.
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  Speaker 1: True. He may be no legal scholar that's from our
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  Speaker 1: prophit on TikTok. But that's the point. This case is
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  Speaker 1: not being determined or judged by legal scholars, is being
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  Speaker 1: judged by twelve jurors joining me. In addition to TISA
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  Speaker 1: tales outside the courthouse, an all star panel, let's go straight
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  Speaker 1: out to Eric Fattus joining US veteran troal lawyer and
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  Speaker 1: founding partner Varner Fattest elite legal. Eric. While we may
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  Speaker 1: think the state has proven its case, it's really up
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  Speaker 1: to the And I mean the Vegas odds are fifty
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  Speaker 1: to fifty right now, and I think that may reflect
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  Speaker 1: what's going on. So just because the climate inside the
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  Speaker 1: courthouse is conviction oriented, Remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: in the courthouse, many of them were for the state,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking. Fattest.
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  Speaker 14: In fact, getting these takes you from the street and
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  Speaker 14: from folks on YouTube. That could be a better glimpse
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  Speaker 14: into how these laid jurors are actually seeing this case. Look,
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  Speaker 14: this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk
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  Speaker 14: by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course
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  Speaker 14: of decades. There are all these moving parts, thirty four
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  Speaker 14: different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all
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  Speaker 14: of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of
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  Speaker 14: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden
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  Speaker 14: in the justice system.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we know Shawn Combs has
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  Speaker 1: been sweating bullets in the courtroom all day, continuously looking
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  Speaker 1: over at the jury, darting his gaze over at them
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  Speaker 1: throughout the judge's instructions. Joining me Danny Pinter, Senior VP
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  Speaker 1: and Director of the Law Center at the National Center
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  Speaker 1: on Sexual Exploitation. Danny, when you hear phrase, is like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: she was gangster, straight up. She could take on two
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  Speaker 1: three men at a time. She was a quote loose woman.
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  Speaker 1: She got paid. Another moment, Agniffolo said he only hit
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  Speaker 1: her twice, referring to I believe that was Jane. He
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  Speaker 1: only hit her twice. That's the defense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I found it honestly disgusting, and I hope the jury
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  Speaker 9: does too.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was weak and unpersuasive, and the defense
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  Speaker 1: went too far.
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  Speaker 9: The jury has to to contend with the facts, which
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  Speaker 9: I think, you know, as a legal expert, I think
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  Speaker 9: they do the prosecution.
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  Speaker 1: Met their burden. But what story is the jury going
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  Speaker 1: to believe? And does it defensually think the jury is
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  Speaker 1: going to believe the story that Cassie Ventura had all
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  Speaker 1: the power and it Diddy is the victim.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think anyone's buying.
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  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter joining me host to a naughty but nice
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  Speaker 1: podcast and you can find him at a substack. Rob
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  Speaker 1: the daughters who have had to leave court several times
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  Speaker 1: in tears during the testimony, that's a whole other can
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  Speaker 1: of Worm's why he had his daughters and children in
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  Speaker 1: there listening to the worst of the worst from the state.
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  Speaker 1: They all dressed in black today, and I remember prosecuting.
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  Speaker 1: I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange because the
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  Speaker 1: cases I prosecuted were all violent felonies, and it just
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  Speaker 1: seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate. And so it's a
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  Speaker 1: very solemn note. And you know, oh that did he
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  Speaker 1: orchestrated right down to what they were wearing.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say though,
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  Speaker 11: here is that there's a little bit of performance going
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  Speaker 11: on to with the kids. I don't want to go
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  Speaker 11: after someone's kids for their parents' crimes. But it has
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  Speaker 11: been on Dieted that post kids have had a really
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  Speaker 11: amazing life because of their dad and because of what
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  Speaker 11: their dad do and does and who their dad is.
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  Speaker 11: These are not the von Trapp family. They have seen
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  Speaker 11: a lot. These kids have been around his parties. They've
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  Speaker 11: been around and.
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  Speaker 1: The von Trapp family. Did you just you're you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about what the seven children oft? Excuse me? And sound
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  Speaker 1: of music that would put on those frocks and seeing
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  Speaker 1: and the family music. First of all, yeah, no, the
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  Speaker 1: von Traps, they ain't. That's true. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 11: They aimed that this is a family that has been
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  Speaker 11: around money, power, a celebrities, sex, violence, They've heard their
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  Speaker 11: dads songs, they've wrapped along to other rap artists. These
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  Speaker 11: are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into this lifestyle,
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  Speaker 11: so they're really used to seeing, hearing, and maybe even
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  Speaker 11: participating in some very very very what we would consider
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  Speaker 11: strange scene strange environments. So I wouldn't feel too bad
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  Speaker 11: for the kids here. I think that they're part of
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  Speaker 11: the Combes family. It's a deal that maybe they didn't
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  Speaker 11: want to make, they had no choice in it, but
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  Speaker 11: they've been born into this lifestyle and they have benefited
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  Speaker 11: from their dad's success for his money.
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  Speaker 1: For you know, I'm very surprised you brought up the
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  Speaker 1: von Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun sister
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  Speaker 1: Maria remember her, a Julie Andrews. Okay, these children have
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  Speaker 1: not been raised by a nun. Okay, But following up
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  Speaker 1: on what you said to me, doctor Benthony Marshall, that
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  Speaker 1: makes me feel for these children even more so because
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  Speaker 1: they never had what I had. Of course, I grew
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  Speaker 1: up on a red dirt road, drinking water from well
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  Speaker 1: my grandfather dug in the backyard. Okay, but you know
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  Speaker 1: what I did have. I had a mother that took
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  Speaker 1: care of me and a father. Both of them worked
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  Speaker 1: all day into the night, came home, had supper with us,
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  Speaker 1: and they were there for me. I mean, it ain't
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  Speaker 1: easy for my dad to work on the railroad and
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  Speaker 1: my mom to work at a factory, right, but they did.
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  Speaker 1: But we had love. These children never had that constant
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  Speaker 1: in their life. Now they're sitting in their dad's felony trial.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people have asked me, Wow, how do
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  Speaker 1: you feel about Christian cons putting you on a disc track.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see it that way at all. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see it as a disc at all. I saw it
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  Speaker 1: as an adult son trying to take up for his father.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually feel bad that they're in that position.
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  Speaker 1: I need to Nancy.
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  Speaker 13: They've been raised in a culture of sex, abuse of violence,
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  Speaker 13: a culture of narcissism, guns, multiple mothers, half siblings. You know,
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  Speaker 13: it's just a very confusing environment. And you know this
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  Speaker 13: is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting
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  Speaker 13: in court because they have to take in all kinds
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  Speaker 13: of information about it.
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  Speaker 1: You lost your mind? Have you lost your mind? You're
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  Speaker 1: calling your father accused of sex trafficking therapeutic? Okay, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I have call't Beverly Hills, and I was raised on
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  Speaker 1: a dirt road. But I nothing therapeutic about hearing the
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  Speaker 1: try about your father that he's extra.
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  Speaker 16: So I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality.
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  Speaker 16: They've been lived and they've been raised in an upside
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  Speaker 16: down world. Listen to what Agniffholos said today. Okay, so
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  Speaker 16: when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to
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  Speaker 16: please her man, you know, just because your man wants
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  Speaker 16: and you don't. But you're going to it to make
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  Speaker 16: him happy. He's basically saying women need to take it up.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 16: As an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I help
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  Speaker 16: those kids sitting in court carrying all this degradation of
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  Speaker 16: women have a good therapist to talk to so they
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  Speaker 16: can make.
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  Speaker 6: Sense of it.
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  Speaker 16: And all of us putting women down because Cassie van
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  Speaker 16: Sura got twenty million dollars. You know, with Michael Jackson,
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  Speaker 16: when he paid his first victim thirty million dollars, we
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  Speaker 16: didn't say that nine.
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  Speaker 1: Year old was a gold digger.
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  Speaker 16: We said Michael Jackson must have done something really, really
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  Speaker 16: bad if he paid out thirty million dollars. And all
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  Speaker 16: this money I think is because it's because p did.
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  Speaker 16: He really needs to cover his tracks.
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  Speaker 1: The did he watch is counting down. We waked as
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  Speaker 1: justice unfolds. But now we remember an American hero Trooper
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  Speaker 1: Michael Stewart, Pennsylvania State PD, just twenty six, killed in
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  Speaker 1: the line of duty after four years with Ellie, leaving
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  Speaker 1: behind grieving parents Michael and Lynn. American hero trooper Michael
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  Speaker 1: Stewart Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.