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How corruption, borders, and secrecy are breaking America · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  This is Nate Kane, your host, and we got a lot to talk about today.
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  We got three major stories that we're going to get into.
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  The first one that I want to talk about is this just unbelievable amount of fraud that has been being talked about and reported, uh, investigated.
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  The FBI has, of course, been breaking the news on this up in Minnesota.
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  What I think is so shocking about this.
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  It's one thing to see fraud on a on a massive scale.
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  That's nothing new.
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  It's a completely different thing, though, when you add to the fact that this is going on in a major scale in certain communities within our country where we have brought these people into our country and have given care and welfare and support to them.
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  And of course, I'm speaking about the Somali communities of Minnesota.
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  I don't know if it is the fact that these are people who we brought in as refugees, and you know, and there's this sense of, you know, this is how they repay us, you know, is by committing fraud.
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  Uh, I don't know if it's that, and I'm listening I'm sure that there are Somali refugees in this country that have nothing to do with that fraud.
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  So I want to be clear about that.
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  This is not a um a bash on people, you know, based on their where their origin is, right?
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  But I do think that we've got to ask ourselves what the heck is going on.
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  We have seen this across this country, not just in the Somali community.
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  We have seen this in other, you know, other communities where we have brought in people into this country, or you know, whether legal or illegal, and they've taken advantage of the good graces of the American taxpayer.
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  And that is something that should concern us all.
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  I guess what bothers me about this story, and we're talking about right now that uh you know, basically there's 800 million dollars across Minnesota that has already been prosecuted.
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  These are cases they've documented fraud in Minnesota.
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  Uh, and we're talking about, you know, Medicare, Medicaid fraud and uh and others grants.
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  I just watched a documentary by Nick Shirley.
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  I would highly recommend that you guys go check it out.
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  Uh his X channel is where you're gonna find it.
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  And it is uh it is shocking.
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  You could also go, I think on YouTube and find it.
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  But um I just watched it on X, and uh, and it was it was shocking because the fraud that he's uncovering and just in his you know, short little videos that he's doing.
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  I think it was like 11 million dollars or something like that in no, sorry, 100 million dollars or something like that that they had discovered in just one day of driving around with child care centers that are registered with the state that are getting millions of dollars a year that have no children in them, and the windows are all blocked out and the doors are locked.
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  And he went around and at the beginning of the thing, he started walking around and basically talking to people and asking them, knocking on doors, uh, most of them locked and closed.
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  Uh, these are child care centers, mind you, that are supposed to be open during the day and supposedly have children in them.
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  But he's knocking on doors, and people are you know, a couple of them opened, and he asks them uh, you know, hey, I'd like to enroll my child, and he's being told no.
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  I think one woman told him uh, you know, that that she was afraid of him because he's white.
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  How can we allow this kind of thing to happen in our country?
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  What bothers me, and I'm just gonna speak from my own personal experience here, is that I see veterans all the time that are dealing with substance abuse uh largely due to being unmedicated for mental health problems that they developed while in service.
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  I see many of them homeless, and we don't take care of them.
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  Uh, it is very hard to get them help.
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  I see people who have kids with legitimate health problems, legitimate mental health problems, uh, things like autism.
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  And they find it difficult to get support and services in the schools or whether it's with health care.
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  Uh, even myself personally, I have uh an adult son who has autism.
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  He has severe, he has severe uh seizures, grandma seizures, and um trying to get him help has been dang near impossible.
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  I don't understand how it is that we can't help American citizens, but yet we're gonna help people who many are here illegally, many are here been brought here because they were in a war-torn country, which by the way, that's another thing that that drives me nuts is that people don't realize or they don't seem to understand that refugee status is not meant to be permanent, it is a temporary thing.
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  And once the war is over, they're supposed to go back.
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  They're also supposed to apply for uh, you know, refugee status in the country nearest to them.
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  Last time I checked, we do not border Somalia.
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  We're nowhere near it.
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  So we got a serious problem in this country that we need to address.
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  And it's not just about illegals, it's also about people who are legally here under refugee status, but who should never have been brought to this country.
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  And now you have no-go zones, essentially, or or places in this country where people have not assimilated, where people do not understand uh the American culture, and where they are taking advantage of our systems.
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  And I have to believe that there's it's not possible for these people to have figured out how to game the system and how to rip off the American people without some help.
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  And right now, it seems that where this mostly is going on is in Democrat states in Democrat cities.
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  And so what is going on?
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  Look, they the Democrats are the ones that are behind the opening of the borders and the allowing of illegals in this country, you know, in droves.
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  They apparently are the ones that have been behind the push for all of these uh, you know, foreigners that are coming from places that are not near our country and have no association with our country, bringing them in by the millions uh with refugee status, and eventually those people become voters.
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  And now it appears that many of the people administrating these funds, these welfare funds are also the Democrats that have been essentially providing them a means to game the system and to rip off the American people and those that actually really do have need and who have paid something into the system because that is the problem with illegals and refugees, by the way, who utilize welfare in our country.
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  They never paid into the system.
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  So we got to do something about it in this country.
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  I sure hope that the FBI goes after and busts every single one of these organizations that are committing fraud, but they better not stop with the Somalis running these businesses or these fake charities.
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  They better go after the people who enabled it and who likely were part of it.
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  And that is the people in power in some of these, you know, some of these states and cities.
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  The FBI better ramp up their public corruption unit.
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  Because I think if 2025 is telling us anything, I think 2026 is going to show us a whole lot more because it is just getting started.
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  You know, you've got citizen activism activism that is going on right now, guys like Nick Shirley that are going around, that are talking with others who have not had a voice and giving them a voice, who have been investigating this stuff for years.
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  And all of this is coming to light.
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  Where's the FBI been in the last four years on this stuff?
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  Why were they not investigating this stuff before?
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  So there's a lot of questions that I have.
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  And I am hoping that we can get some answers.
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  Welcome back to Unleash the Political News Hour.
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  I'm Nate Kane.
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  As we continue our discussion on critical issues facing our nation today, I'm pleased to welcome my guest for this segment.
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  Former Sheriff of Pennell County, Arizona, Mark Lamb, Sheriff Lamb, who recently concluded his term and is now a candidate for Arizona's fifth congressional district, brings firsthand experience from the front lines of border security.
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  Joining me now, we will examine the ongoing challenges at the southern border and the significant burdens placed on county sheriffs in managing immigration enforcement drug trafficking and related public safety concerns.
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  Sheriff Lamb, thank you for being with us.
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  Thank you for having me on, Nate.
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  I appreciate it.
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  So, you know, of course, uh, we met each other a couple years back uh at an event, and uh, I'm grateful to be able to have you on the show today.
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  A lot has changed since then.
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  And uh, but you know, I wanted to have you on because I know that you're very familiar with the circumstances of what America's sheriffs are having to face today.
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  And uh, you know, in particular in this world where you know the the current administration is trying to right the wrongs of four years of just open borders and uh allowing you know this criminal element into our country.
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  Um, what are some of the things that you're seeing today that the sheriffs are still dealing with?
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  Well, I think the biggest thing, Nate is, and this is where a lot of people, when we talk about federal uh responsibilities, they have a responsibility to protect us from an invasion, protect our borders, something that the Biden administration miserably failed at.
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  It was, and I, you know, I wanted to chalk it up for incompetence in the beginning, but then you realized how quickly, quickly realized how intentional it was, which was really shameful that they would intentionally destroy this country to get more votes or to uh weaken America to introduce more globalism.
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  I don't know what their ultimate goal was, but it was very, very disappointing to see that Americans would do this to this country.
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  Um, then we quickly saw that turnaround before President Trump even took office.
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  We already saw that the cartels were starting to make adjustments, and we have completely seen a uh night and day difference in in border security.
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  Now the government's doing their job.
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  But here's the effects.
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  I know I just wanted to set the stage for what I was gonna say.
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  We're still dealing with the human trafficking that that is already in the country over the last four years.
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  So the women and the children and men being extorted, but women and children being placed in the hard labor and sex trade.
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  But more than anything, what we deal with is we can't stop them at the border.
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  That's a federal job.
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  But then we deal with everything that comes with it after.
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  So when you victimize when an illegal victimizes an American, it's your sheriffs and police that deal with it.
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  When a 15-year-old dies from taking a pill laced with fentanyl, then they're poisoned.
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  Then we deal with it, not the federal government.
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  So I feel like they don't feel the effects of the bad policies that they are responsible for.
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  And now we're able to kind of start to clean it up, but we're still feeling those effects of the drugs that are in this country, the trafficking that is in this country, and it's an ongoing problem every day.
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  And not to mention judges are not helping because they tend to be on more on the liberal side, and they are releasing people and fighting against this administration, and it's causing us problems.
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  But these are problems that we deal with in local law enforcement after.
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  You know, that's a good point that you bring up there, and it's one that oftentimes I don't think it's acknowledged or understood by you know the the average citizen.
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  You know, we we tend to kind of look at politicians, right?
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  You know, they're broken up into the, especially the federal level, broken up into the legislative, the executive, and the judicial branch.
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  And you know, there's no doubt in most people's minds that there's corruption within the executive and within the uh, you know, within the um legislative branches, but we often don't realize that there's a lot of corruption within the judgeships, right?
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  And within the judicial branch.
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  And we see this when you have these judges that let these criminals off who are, you know, really violent criminals that are a threat to the safety of the people, and yet they'll put away people for long periods of time over political reasons.
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  We've seen that with, you know, uh with Tina Peters and others.
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  And what are your thoughts about you know the judicial system right now?
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  And and is it is there a possibility of fixing this?
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  Because unlike any other, you know, branch, right?
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  Where we have the ability to remove people if we see them as corrupt, a lot of these judges, especially federal judges, they they get on the bench and they're there for life.
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  Well, and that's the biggest misnomer.
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  If you read article three, uh, section one, it says that judges are to serve on good behavior.
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  There's nowhere in there that says that they should have their bench seat for life.
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  And I think that's been something that has been the overton window has shifted on that to where we have allowed that to happen when in reality we should be doing.
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  But here's why judges have so much power and why this it's people need to look at this on a three-prong because the founding fathers set up our government based on executive, legislative, and judicial branches.
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  The legislative branches' failure to do their job and their abdication of their duties off to the other branches of government is what's really created a major problem in the judicial branch.
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  Now you have these very polarized political judges getting into put it being put in power, and because the ex the legislative branch is is feckless and they're they're just so polarized politically that they're not getting anything done.
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  It opens the door for the judicial branch to be legislating from the bench.
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  And that's not what the founding fathers intended.
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  It's part of the reason I'm running for Congress is because we have to restore, I would argue that the strongest branch of government should be the legislative branch.
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  Absolutely.
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  They control the purse strings.
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  They're the ones that should be holding the judges accountable.
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  It is they yet they have they have failed in so many areas.
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  And I'm running for Congress because I think we need people that understand the what this country was founded on.
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  And that's the long way of saying these judges have really become the problem because the judicial, the legislative branch gave them the ability to be a problem.
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  And and we're seeing it on the streets of America.
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  We're seeing that the the powers, the powerful people in this country, and this is what most Americans are frustrated with.
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  They'll hold some guy on the street and you and I accountable, but they won't hold the powerful people in this country accountable.
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  People who are really committing heinous crimes without it and who are corrupt.
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  And this is this is a real problem.
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  Abraham Lincoln wrote um in the Lincoln Lyceum address in 1827.
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  He gave it at the bull the Springfield Boys Lyceum in Springfield, Illinois, one of his greatest speeches.
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  But in that speech, he was asked if the union would fail or be dissolved.
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  And he says, No, I don't think that the union will fail.
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  Nor do I think it'll be dissolved, but it cannot continue divided.
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  Either it will go one all the way one way and all the other the other.
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  And then there he talks about no enemy, you could all the all the nations, Asia, Africa, Europe combined with all the wealth riches of the world, minus ours, could never cross over the ocean and even take a sip from the Ohio River.
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  If this country were to be destroyed, it will be destroyed from the inside.
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  And I think we overlook the enemy within.
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  And our politicians and people want to get us all worked up about some boogeyman that lives across the ocean that's going to kill all of us.
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  When in reality, our own the damage being done to this country is being done from within, and it's being done from people with a political agenda with a globalist agenda.
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  And I think Americans need to wake up to the fact that our enemy is already in the house.
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  And we've got to do a better job of getting people in there that are true Americans who will represent the American people and abide by the constitution with God in their heart.
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  You know, what you there's a couple of things you mentioned that I want to hit on.
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  One is the you mentioned the purse strings.
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  And this has been a bone of contention that I have had for a long time with the legislature.
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  And uh, of course, uh I ran uh last the last election cycle for uh you know, for U.S.
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  House of Representatives for my state of West Virginia.
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  I lost in my primary, but it was a great experience in going through that and really learning the issues that were affecting people on a day-to-day basis.
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  One of the things that I learned in and that I really kind of tried to help people to understand is that there's a lot of expectations, expectations from Congress that that are not Congress's job.
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  Things like um, you know, the the execution of you know the policies that that are happening, right?
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  You know, the the law, right?
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  It is the job of the executive to do that.
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  And of course, during the Biden administration, they were flagrantly ignoring the law and basically disregarding the law and not enforcing it.
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  And that's what we saw happening at the border.
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  And and so when when Congress would hold these hearings and and you know, basically, you know, do all of these things that basically were amounted to kabuki theater at the end of the day because nothing could happen.
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  They had no executive authority, they could not actually they could make a referral to the FBI, but as long as the FBI was corrupt, nothing was going to happen.
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  Well, now all that's shifted and changed, but but the one thing that Congress had the power to do, and they still have the power to do, and you don't see it happening, is you know, basically the power of the purse and ensuring that things that should not be funded, you know, or if the if the the federal government is abusing something, right?
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  They're abusing their authority, they can defund that program.
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  I was concerned about things like Section 702 of FISA, and and I've got a pretty deep background and understanding of that as somebody who'd been read on to that program back in my NSA days, and I was very concerned about abuses of you know some of these surveillance tools, and I've seen those tools get you know continually funded every year, even after you know, hundreds of thousands of abuses that have been documented.
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  So, you know, I have concerns that that there's not enough willpower in the let you know in the legislature to actually pull back funding on some of these things and using that power and authority that they have to stop abuses of power by the federal government.
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  Um, the other thing that I think is important is that but to my point, though, is that the people most American citizens don't seem to understand those differences between what the legislature does, what the executive branch does, and what the judicial branch does.
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  And like you mentioned, you got judges that are legislating from the bench, you've got executive powers that are you know, basically stepping over, they're rewriting essentially the law.
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  Uh, you know, you've seen that happen a lot with different administrations through executive orders and things like that.
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  What are your thoughts about where Congress needs to go in in terms of pulling back some of these authorities?
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  Well, first of all, the average American would fail a civics exam.
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  Most of them couldn't tell you what the three branches of government are, let alone explain to you the delineation that should exist that the founding fathers intended.
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  Congress, the only way to get back to that.
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  I think the filibuster is a major problem.
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  I know that the filibuster, a lot of times we've protected it, and there's been good times, but the filibuster is a is a rule or procedure.
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  It was not in the constitution, and it was passed in the early 1800s just basically so that they would have time to review it.
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  But it was during a time where there was multiple parties, it wasn't a two-party system.
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  There was about a four-party system.
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  And people weren't as polarized politically.
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  If you pass a if President Trump runs a bill right now, or the Republicans do, every single Democrat will vote either for it or against it, because they stay, they they no longer care about principles, it's about politics for them.
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  And then when you get to that point, then the filibuster is not of any value anymore.
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  And then it becomes a hindrance.
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  And what we're having right now is a bill can make it through the House, but then it still has to go through the Senate.
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  But the Senate needs 60 votes if somebody decides to filibuster it and then they kill it.
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  And what they're doing right now is they lost the election, the Democrats, the liberals, and now they want to just take their ball and go home, and they want to just plug up the system where this is detrimental to effective government.
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  And this is why the executive branch now has to pass executive orders, because they've stifled themselves in the legislative branch.
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  So that's a long way of saying what we need to do is we've got to restore the legislative branch.
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  And the only way to do that is through the purse strings.
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  And let me tell you one more thing, and this is kind of off topic, but I but you kind of mentioned it.
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  One of the major problems is I think that the so people understand how federal law enforcement works.
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  Everything is run through the Justice Department, which means FBI, everybody is below Marshalls, uh, ICE, DOJ, everybody is below the DOJ, DHS.
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  That's a problem.
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  The FBI, it's like having your sheriff be um beholden to the county attorney.
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  That's a dangerous game to play.
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  But this is how it is on the federal system.
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  So I think if you go through a Senate confirmation hearing as the FBI director, you should be your own executive.
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  You should not report to the the uh department of justice to decide what you're gonna investigate and what we're investigating.
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  That's a good thing.
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  There's almost a conflict of interest there.
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  Sure.
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  Basically, if you and and the lawyers are the worst, the lawyers are the ones that have the deepest bureaucracy in the DOJ, where liberal lawyers have infected that that department, and even the best, you know, Pam Pam Bonnie, even if if if you put the best person in there, it will take them years to root out the bureaucrats that are have have embedded themselves in the department of justice.
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  And so the only way to get around that is you have to be, you know, each department should be its own and should be responsible for themselves.
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  And I just I think that that is one thing that should happen is I would love to see if I don't know that the FBI is even really constitutional, really, you know.
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  I think there should be all the power should be given to the marshals.
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  That's really the only ones that the founding fathers thought were we needed, and everything else should be done through local law enforcement.
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  Um, but it should you have these, they should be their own entities as opposed to being under the the thumb of the the DOJ.
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  I know that's I kind of broke off and didn't you know broke away from your question about it.
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  No, no, that's the legislative branch back, but yeah, no, I'm glad you brought that up.
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  In fact, you know, bringing it back into the issue of sheriffs, you know, the one thing that I've always appreciated about the sheriff's office is that it is a office, it is a voted position, and it is a position to where the citizens can hold a sheriff accountable.
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  Without a doubt, there have been you know times in history where you've had corrupt sheriffs and you at least have a mechanisms of being able to deal with that.
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  Whereas within the FBI, if you have corrupt FBI agents, uh good luck trying to, you know, ever see any kind of justice.
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  In fact, um, you know, I blew the whistle on uh, you know, criminal activity that was going on within the bureau and uh within its leadership, and there was never, and and it was clear enough that a Democrat appointed uh inspector general felt that it was important enough to you know allow me to bring that information to both the House and Senate intel committees who are supposed to have oversight and uh and of course nothing was done.
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  And so this is the problem uh, you know, within the FBI is how do you have you know the Fox guarding the hen house?
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  So there's no way for them to police themselves.
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  Whereas a sheriff, as a sheriff, if you violate citizens' rights, the FBI is gonna come after you.
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  But if the FBI violates the rights of citizens, there's no way to bring that to justice.
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  No, because under the under the uh supremacy clause, it pretty much uh absolves them of really major wrongdoing because they can always claim I was trying to just do my job.
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  And so I uh the FBI was never intended by the founding fathers.
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  This was uh this something that Hoover came up with back in the early 1900s, and it was in response to the the gangsters, the al capone, prohibition, all that stuff.
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  They have far exceeded what their original intention was.
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  And like government in all true fashion never goes backwards.
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  And I think that what they have done.
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  Has become this huge uh tool for politicians to use regard you know whether you depending on the party you were in.
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  They spent an enormous amount of money to get very little results.
• 30:12
  They will spend years and millions of dollars to do an investigation and give somebody six months probation.
• 30:17
  Uh that is unacceptable in any other agency.
• 30:20
  It would be deemed ineffective, and they would close the doors on that unit.
• 30:26
  Um, sheriffs, on the other hand, are constitutionally appointed, not federal constitution, not our U.S.
• 30:32
  constitution, but the sheriffs are appointed through state constitutions.
• 30:37
  Our positions are are are given, our power is given to us by the states, which let's go back to the 10th amendment.
• 30:43
  I know we're running short on time.
• 30:45
  The power in this country should be to the states.
• 30:48
  The federal government should only exist as an aid to the states and to protect us from from now from enemies abroad and from an invasion.
• 30:57
  And then uh I think other than that, you should have a very limited federal law enforcement unit, and I think it should be run through the marshals, and um, I think they're the ones that have been the uh you know that have been given that authority.
• 31:11
  So um it's it's not that I don't like the FBI.
• 31:14
  I just I don't like anything that government institutes because they will never take it away.
• 31:18
  And I think that that law enforcement exists on a state level already.
• 31:22
  You just need some guidance on a federal level for anything that violates interstate commerce.
• 31:27
  Yeah, that's that's absolutely correct.
• 31:29
  And I'm glad that you brought that up.
• 31:30
  I think that I think we've got some some issues with the way that things are set up.
• 31:35
  I'm I fear that um while I've seen you know, I think an incredible turnaround within the FBI and the Department of Justice.
• 31:42
  My fear is that the systems uh that are established that have brought about abuses in the path in the past, unfortunately are still there and still in place.
• 31:53
  You know, you've been in the bureau, they're so ingrained in there.
• 31:56
  They are in all organizations of the federal government.
• 31:58
  So the bureaucracy is the problem in this country.
• 32:01
  Absolutely.
• 32:01
  Yep.
• 32:02
  I want to thank former Sheriff Mark Lamb for his insightful discussions on border security and the realities facing law enforcement.
• 32:09
  Uh, sheriff, where can people follow you?
• 32:11
  Where can they find out about your campaign and support your candidacy?
• 32:16
  Well, please go to marklam.us, marklam.us.
• 32:20
  I would love if you can contribute some money, say some prayers.
• 32:23
  Um, and uh we'd love we need people in in DC that are going to represent the people.
• 32:28
  And if you want to come check out my YouTube, it's at Real American Sheriff.
• 32:32
  That doesn't have anything to do with my campaign, but I wouldn't mind if you went and uh subscribed.
• 32:36
  Absolutely.
• 32:37
  And folks, remember we need good constitutional candidates that are going to run for office.
• 32:42
  This is what's going to help turn our country back around.
• 32:45
  Again, uh, Sheriff, thank you so much for joining us.
• 32:48
  Appreciate all of the service that you've given to this country.
• 32:52
  And I hope and pray, you know, for your candidacy that uh you get in there because we need good people like you.
• 32:58
  Folks, stay with us on Unleash the Political News Hour.
• 33:01
  We'll be right back after a short break.
• 33:03
  When we come back, we'll be speaking with Dory Wiley, president and CEO of Commerce Street Holdings and somebody who is also an expert on the JFK and RFK assassinations.
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  Welcome back to Unleash the Political News Hour.
• 34:23
  We now move to our third and final segment of today's program.
• 34:27
  Joining me is researcher and commentator Dory Wiley, who has closely examined the extensive declassified CIA documents released throughout 2025, pursuant to executive order 14176.
• 34:45
  These materials pertain to the assassination of President John F.
• 34:49
  Kennedy, Senator Robert F.
• 34:51
  Kennedy, and Dr.
• 34:52
  Martin Luther King Jr.
• 34:54
  Dory, thank you so much for joining us.
• 34:57
  You batten.
• 34:58
  Glad to be here.
• 34:59
  Thank you.
• 35:01
  This story about what actually happened, you know, uh to JFK to RFK, MLK, uh, as you mentioned when we were talking beforehand, even Malcolm X.
• 35:12
  It is crazy thing to imagine, you know, that happened in our nation because it the reality is that nobody has ever paid for their crimes in this.
• 35:23
  And yet the evidence seems more and more leading to the people who once were called conspiracy theorists being true or being right and accurate.
• 35:35
  Um, explain what you've learned out of the CIA files, uh, and and some of the new information maybe that has come out due to that.
• 35:44
  Well, thanks, Nate.
• 35:45
  Yeah, you're right.
• 35:46
  There hasn't been any accountability.
• 35:48
  And of course, uh, I was on Twitter earlier today, or X, kind of like Prince, right?
• 35:54
  The the app formerly known as Twitter.
• 35:57
  Um under these posts of investigations of what's going on today, people are just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, but when do people going to jail?
• 36:07
  When are they being held accountable?
• 36:08
  You know, there's a growing frustration in the public.
• 36:11
  Uh, but this this really didn't start, you know, over the last four years.
• 36:16
  It started in from 1963, a lack of accountability for the for the government almost immediately.
• 36:22
  There were there were smart people involved, including Mark Lane and other researchers who picked up on the account that the government was covering up something, the media was covering up something, the facts didn't line up, all you had to do was do your work.
• 36:36
  And you know, that now there's scores of research scores, hundreds, if not thousands of researchers on the JFK assassination and whatnot.
• 36:45
  And uh, you know, if you do your work, it's pretty easy to conclude a there was a conspiracy, B, the government was involved, and C, the government tried to cover it up, and D, the media was complicit.
• 36:57
  So when they release files, when we start looking at files, you know, everyone kind of has a bias of what they're looking at.
• 37:05
  Um, some people were trying to prove a narrative that the CIA did it, or the MI uh mob did it, or rich guys did it, or Oswald did it alone, or whatever that, or the government.
• 37:17
  What whatever that is, but I think it's important uh always to keep an open mind that hey, let's just go where the facts go.
• 37:26
  Let's go where the facts go.
• 37:28
  Now, I can tell you unequivocally, it's it's sort of like uh I spend I'll spend part time part of my time doing a lot of apologetics and stuff.
• 37:38
  And if you go try to confirm what's going on in the Bible with uh biblical archaeology or things like that, you tend to confirm everything in the Bible is true, which was pretty amazing, you know.
• 37:49
  Well, it's the same thing with this kind of research.
• 37:51
  Every time we turn up, you find things that kind of confirm everything that you thought.
• 37:57
  And if it doesn't confirm, then you have to do just a little bit more work, and then you find out it actually does confirm.
• 38:03
  So it's amazing.
• 38:04
  We we learn a lot what's in the files, what's kept out of the files, um and what's blacked out.
• 38:12
  So we're seeing personnel files of people that we thought were CIA, and sure enough, they are CIA.
• 38:19
  We're finding assassin uh personnel files in there, and they're completely empty with nothing in there, which is that tells you a lot.
• 38:28
  Um you know, amazing things like that.
• 38:31
  We are finding that we have to be very specific with Annapollina Lunus Committee.
• 38:37
  We have to be very specific.
• 38:39
  And what we're asking for, so that the head of the CIA can go force them to dig it up.
• 38:46
  Uh, I'm hearing through back channels that uh, you know, unless they're specific, they're not gonna give it to them, or sometimes it's on micro dot instead of a file, so that technically doesn't qualify, so they're not gonna give them that and all kinds of things.
• 39:02
  And so uh, but I will tell you uh just like in our conversation before people are looking for an easy smoking gun.
• 39:12
  Uh we we already know pretty much what happened.
• 39:14
  We're looking for confirmation of for confirmation of that, and these pieces of the smoking guns are coming out like crazy.
• 39:23
  So we're confirming, yeah, Oswald was in the CIA.
• 39:26
  Yes, he had a number, yes, he was in Tokyo, yes, he had crypto clearance.
• 39:30
  Yes, they've been tracking him from 59 to 63, and there's 181 page dossier on uh the head of counterintelligence desk, James Engelson on Oswald while the moment JFK is getting shot in the head.
• 39:47
  So that all contrasts greatly with the testimony of two directors of the CIA from House Select Committee of Assassinations and the Warren Commission, where they both said.
• 40:00
  We don't know the guy.
• 40:01
  He's a lone wolf, crazy communist.
• 40:04
  Yeah.
• 40:04
  Well, I I think it it's clear to me from I I've had about a half dozen folks, um, uh, several, or at least the majority of of whom actually had interactions um uh with Oswald or you know, who were involved with the CIO or involved with the U.S.
• 40:22
  military at the time.
• 40:23
  And there is it's some really interesting things that they all seem to confirm one another.
• 40:30
  Um, some of these folks not ever really even having any connection with some of the other ones.
• 40:34
  And so when I looked at the kind of the last thing that I had looked at was the FBI files that had been uh, you know, unredacted because the first level of stuff they put out was so redacted you really couldn't see anything.
• 40:48
  And then Trump basically went and had more of it redacted.
• 40:51
  And one thing that became clear was that there was an FBI investigator that was investigating the the assassination, and he ended up at Tokyo Station and confirming that in fact Oswald was a CIA asset.
• 41:04
  Um but it doesn't get any more into it than that.
• 41:07
  And and there's there's something go keep going.
• 41:12
  I'm sorry.
• 41:13
  Uh, I was just gonna say that there's there's something that that you you had you'd brought up uh previous to the conversation, and and that is that there was um Judge N Napolitano had had uh he had done an interview, and he he had I'm gonna I'm looking at it right here, the transcript.
• 41:30
  Um what he said, which you know was in a response to a conversation that he was he was having with Trump about the JFK files and asking, you know, why why are you know you said you were going to release him, and I'm not gonna forget that.
• 41:45
  Uh, you know, and and Trump said yes, you know, I'm gonna release him, but he you talks about how he was basically asked, you know, not to put them out by um Pompeo, who at the time was you know CIA director and then went on to be um secretary of state.
• 42:03
  Interestingly, Judge Napoleon says that that Trump said to him, yes, quote, yes, you're quite correct, Judge.
• 42:12
  I did say that, but if you saw what I saw, you wouldn't want to release it either.
• 42:18
  Someday when we're not on a phone call with 15 other people listening, meaning, of course, people in the White House and the National Security Center, uh, he says, I'll tell you what I saw.
• 42:29
  I find that interesting because it's clear that there was something in there that was quite disturbing that Trump didn't want released, you know, publicly.
• 42:42
  What do you think about it?
• 42:43
  Yeah, my yeah, I here's I thought about that a lot, and uh use that a lot in my presentations for us to all just kind of think about because I think that's very telling.
• 42:53
  If you saw what I saw, you wouldn't release it either.
• 42:56
  What does that mean?
• 42:57
  I mean, um, one extreme it could be something unexpected, you know.
• 43:02
  We saw an alien shade him, we Jackie shot him.
• 43:05
  She certainly had motive of the word.
• 43:07
  I've heard every theory you can imagine.
• 43:09
  You know, so maybe it was something crazy like that.
• 43:12
  We don't want to make Jackie look bad because she pulled a gun out and shot him.
• 43:16
  But you know, the evidence doesn't lead there, and that would be pretty pretty far fetched and remote.
• 43:21
  What seems the most likely to me scenario is uh, and and you start with Dwight Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex and his farewell address.
• 43:34
  You start with uh the severe critique of the CIA one month after the uh assassination and the Washington Post editorial from President Harry Truman, who actually created it, um, and and then you see where they're pointing fingers, and then when you do your research after 40 and 50 years, and and you know, this is a culmination of thousands of researchers, all the evidence, both direct, factual, and circumstantial starts to point all the way up the ladder to the military industrial complex and the Pentagon and the joint chiefs of staff all being involved.
• 44:13
  Um and it's really very compelling.
• 44:17
  And so the only thing that I think Trump maybe he saw some kind of outlined memo, kind of like you were talking about Operation Zipper or something, and that may or may not be real, but maybe he saw something like that, or it was that memo itself, and he was so taken aback about what a precise operation it was, uh that he was convinced, which is which happens all the time that it became a national security threat, which would be what Pompeo would say.
• 44:53
  No, we can't release all this, it'd be a national security threat.
• 44:56
  We would lose the confidence of the people.
• 44:59
  Well, you know, it it's interesting.
• 45:02
  Yeah, that's the thing, that's where I beg to differ, because even if that's what happened, you know, all those people are dead anyway.
• 45:09
  And the government has already lost the confidence of the people.
• 45:14
  The way you restore it is is through truth, whatever that truth may be.
• 45:20
  Well, you know, Trump, of course, had announced, right, you know, had made comments that he he should have released uh the JFK files, and that you know, that he was basically talked into it by uh, you know, Pompeo, right?
• 45:37
  But he went on then, of course, you know, to run for re-election and uh, you know, in and he won, but you know, he was they there was an attempted assassination on him that came pretty dang close.
• 45:50
  And I gotta wonder, uh, you know, I mean, we all I think have wondered about you know Thomas Crooks and about you know whether or not there were people helping him, you know, whether he was a Patsy, whether he was involved in in uh you know, making, you know, whether there were other people involved in in helping set that up, because clearly uh how does somebody get on the roof of a building with a rifle, um, you know, with with the Secret Service having the kind of uh resources that they have, you know, to protect the president.
• 46:22
  And it it's clear to me that there's way more to the story than we know.
• 46:26
  So I think uh there still are actors within some of these agencies.
• 46:33
  Um we are finding out things like in the last few days, in fact, uh unbelievable things, some things which quite honestly I've been involved with uh trying to expose years ago, but about the FBI covering up crimes of political people like Hillary Clinton.
• 46:50
  Um I was the FBI whistleblower blowing that up and and uh exposing the FBI's uh cover-up of Hillary Clinton's crimes and bringing that information to the inspector general for the DOJ.
• 47:04
  Um, and now everything that I blew the whistle on is being confirmed, but yet nobody has paid you know any consequences for those crimes, just like nobody paid any consequences for the crimes that were committed uh, you know, with these uh assassinations of American citizens that clearly there was some form of government uh involvement in, or you know, at worst, and you know, or at best at least ineptitude.
• 47:35
  So first thing I would like to respond to on that is uh and you may not may not need this, but you need to be recognized, Nate, as a brave individual to step up for his country in tough circumstances to do that at the FBI is really tough.
• 47:54
  I have a friend who was with the FBI in New York, and uh he you know, he's very conservative and trying to do the right thing.
• 48:02
  And um, I said, Man, I don't know how you work for Comey or any come was still in charge of that time, or any of those slime bags up there.
• 48:10
  And uh, you know, I can't believe you haven't quit.
• 48:13
  And he said, if I quit, they win.
• 48:16
  I'm never quitting until they run me off or kill me.
• 48:19
  And for him, I thought, you know, God bless you, you know, and I think there's probably a whole bunch of those guys like that.
• 48:25
  We don't know about them.
• 48:26
  It's just that we've have uh unscrupulous amoral people that get power sucked into power and compromised and this, that, and the other, and it gets it gets really ugly.
• 48:37
  So having said that, you know, people forget that there were you know, six of the seven major FBI guys that were killed uh in the 70s were dumb within six months of their subpoenas to testify in front of the house select committee of assassination.
• 48:55
  Oh wow, including the number three guy, William Solomon, you know, they were murdered.
• 49:00
  That gives me at least some sense of uh that gives me some sense of of uh you know relief, I guess, in that when I was asked to testify before the uh uh the House until um you know select committee, and they I had total anonymity.
• 49:16
  Um my lawyer, you know, told me that they wanted me to testify, and I told them not no, but hell no.
• 49:22
  So I knew I knew the Democrats would leak my name, and uh, you know, and it could get me killed.
• 49:29
  And and eventually I knew they would find out who I was, and certainly um, you know, and and this is an allegation, but somebody leaked information to the FBI to let them know these are the documents that were turned over by, you know, some whistleblower with the code name MC POTA.
• 49:46
  And, you know, and then they could just do a reverse lookup and figure out, you know, who I was.
• 49:51
  It took them one month after the Democrats took over control of the House uh, you know, for the FBI to raid me.
• 49:59
  And um
• 50:00
  You know, and I I ultimately, you know, I paid a pretty heavy duty price in terms of you know having my life put at risk, um, having my name leaked to the New York Times and the the uh you know the um Washington Post.
• 50:15
  And even um having the details of the search warrant leaked uh to these news agencies, uh, which I was able to confirm when one of them, uh the New York Times uh reporter contacted my lawyer, and I was sitting in the room and he put him on speakerphone so I could hear what he was saying, and he was basically detailing the details of the search warrant, which weren't made public.
• 50:37
  So clearly there were people inside the FBI leaking information uh to try to you know damage my reputation and and everything.
• 50:44
  And it was just crazy, but ultimately it led to death threats.
• 50:48
  It led to me being poisoned twice, uh having the lug nuts on my vehicle loosened having um surveillance done on me, uh, illegal surveillance for at least two years.
• 50:57
  And so if they do that to me, and and I was just simply a whistleblower who basically was one and done.
• 51:03
  I I did my duty, got the heck out, and and was done.
• 51:09
  I can only imagine what they would do to people who they were concerned about, you know, revealing additional information, or you know, people who were threatening, you know, their power or threatening uh, you know, their their uh organizational reputations, right?
• 51:25
  Yeah, I do a whole lecture on all the uh FBI and CIA.
• 51:29
  People are like, oh, well, if this was so involved, people would have talked.
• 51:32
  And I said, Well, let me tell you about who was killed, and let's go through each and one of those, each one of those circumstances, you know, the head of counterintelligence for the FBI, the guy who did the fingerprinting for the FBI, the guy who did ballistics for the FBI, all these different people that were getting killed, handwriting expert for the FBI, all these people were getting killed right for their testimony, right?
• 51:55
  So uh it's really really important for people to understand that because there's a lot of pressure on these guys because it's easy for me to sit over here as a citizen and go, what's wrong with these guys?
• 52:06
  Why would they raid Trump Trump's house or uh raid Nate Crane or Roger Stone or all these people when they know it's amoral and that it's not part of what we do as a country?
• 52:19
  I mean, don't they have any loyalty to the honor and code and truth and justice and the constitution, and I guess I'm naive, but you know, there was a day where I think people really believed in that, and I think shows like yours, you know, that's the ultimate calling, you know, making a calling for people to to truth seek and have honor and moral and justice again and and get rid of this power seeking and money seeking because uh, you know, it's not what America is about and it's killing us.
• 52:51
  Yeah, well, I do think that the the most important thing that we need in government, especially in the intelligence community where everything is cloaked in secrecy and classification, is we need transparency.
• 53:07
  We need declassification after any operational uh security requirements have been met.
• 53:13
  It should be declassified and it should not it shouldn't be 50 years or you know, 60, 70 years for things to get declassified.
• 53:22
  That's just nonsense.
• 53:23
  Um, the only national security threat we have now, if you use that, it's certainly not you know, Cuba and Fidel Castro, right?
• 53:31
  Right.
• 53:32
  So you really the only thing you can complain now about is the threat is the people and truth, and you're afraid of the consequences of that.
• 53:44
  And you know what?
• 53:45
  I mean, if you have real honor, you'll get up and go, you know, here's what happened.
• 53:50
  They were wrong.
• 53:52
  We can't hold them accountable, but we can use this as a lesson to inject more checks and balances to how we can't we gotta have a CIA.
• 54:01
  We gotta have an FBI.
• 54:03
  What can we do to make them better and more accountable to the people?
• 54:07
  Yeah.
• 54:08
  I think I think it starts with uh one of them.
• 54:11
  I think it probably starts with the the need for a new church style commission because I think we need to get to the bottom, especially during the uh Robert Mueller, uh Comey, you know, FBI era, the John Brennan, um, you know, CIA.
• 54:26
  We need to know all the details of what what they did and what they were involved with.
• 54:30
  You know, the the church commission exposed a lot that was going on.
• 54:35
  I think we need another one.
• 54:37
  And uh I the problem is is that I think the the legislature was a lot more bipartisan back then, not so much anymore.
• 54:44
  And uh, and it may be hard order, you know, to get that to happen today.
• 54:49
  Yeah, I I agree, I agree with that.
• 54:52
  There's too many people uh bought and paid for and compromised uh that need to be cleaned out.
• 54:58
  Now, back on your comments about Trump and the files.
• 55:02
  I have a theory, I don't know if it's right or not, but it kind of starts with the Epstein files.
• 55:08
  Uh I have some people in DC telling me part of the reason why they're dragging the feet on the Epstein files is that it compromises a whole bunch of Republicans as well as Democrats, and that if he releases all that now, then he won't get anything through Congress, and he would rather release all that towards the end of his term.
• 55:30
  And may and if that's true, then maybe he feels the same way about the JFK files.
• 55:36
  That that could very well be.
• 55:37
  I mean, obviously, if they want to commit uh, you know, grievous sins against the nation, what better way to keep it under wraps and to get people involved from both political parties into it?
• 55:46
  And the evidence so far seems like uh there were people uh from you know different agencies, uh from different departments, different political backgrounds, and uh it is it's really disgusting.
• 56:00
  Yeah, and it's not a new game, it's a game.
• 56:02
  If you remember LBJ and the Bobby Baker scandal, they were going down right at the moment JFK to get insassed because Bobby Baker set up people from both sides all the time and recorded them and took pictures and bribed them, and uh that's how they got things done through Congress.
• 56:22
  And Don Reynolds was testifying in the Bobby Baker scandal, literally the moment JFK behind closed doors, the moment JFK was getting killed.
• 56:32
  So all I'm just about out of time.
• 56:36
  I gotta wrap things up, but I I want to real quick ask uh where can people follow you?
• 56:40
  Where can they, you know, follow the work that you're doing?
• 56:44
  Well, you know, I do a lot of uh lectures and I'll write occasionally.
• 56:50
  I'm I'm putting out a piece on NSAM 263 and 273, which I think is a smoking gum for foreknowledge.
• 56:57
  Uh and I did a lot of a big lecture on it before the um uh JFK conference of researchers this year.
• 57:05
  Uh, but I'm on LinkedIn, and a lot of times I'll post everything that I do on LinkedIn.
• 57:10
  Well, that's great.
• 57:11
  Well, folks, follow him on LinkedIn.
• 57:13
  It's Dory Wiley, that's D O R Y W I L E Y.
• 57:18
  And uh, you know, I want to thank you again for coming on the show.
• 57:21
  Uh that wraps up today's edition of Unleash the Political News Hour.
• 57:25
  Many thanks to former Sheriff Mark Lamb and researcher Dory Wiley for their incisive insights on both border security and the 2025 CIA declassifications regarding the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and M OK.
• 57:39
  Thank you for listening, folks.
• 57:41
  Join us next time for more unfiltered analysis.