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#164 - Mike Larose - All Things Music · The Chris and Mike Show

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And we're live, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to YouTube
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and Twitchers. Chris will be jumping on here
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momentarily. Hey, welcome back, Mike.
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Today we got Mike Larose, ladies and gentlemen, coming back from
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one of the actually you were the most listened to episode of
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2025. Wow, yeah.
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I believe it's episode number 83.
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Don't quote me on that. It's in the 80s somewhere, but
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when we got our year end wrap up, you had a 329% more listen
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to episode than any other one we did last year.
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So congratulations. It must be my voice.
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It's a, you know, podcast voice. I was going to say it was your
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stunning good looks and dashing, charming personality.
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That could be that too. I think that was a lot of it.
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No, It was a super compelling story.
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And when I saw that I was I got more money inside, man it it
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just made me happy because I remember sitting there doing
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that episode and that was everything that I had hoped for
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in this podcast as far as having somebody that was willing other
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than Chris and I to tell their story of, you know, seeing the
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darkest side of life and making it through to the other side.
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So, you know, once again, we appreciate you doing that and
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apparently it helped a lot of people.
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So. Yeah.
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And well, that's I think, you know, the, the hope and the goal
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with, you know, telling a story like that too, is that someone
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can relate and maybe get some hope out of that if they're in a
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place, if they're in a dark place at that time, or maybe
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they know someone that you know who, who's going through
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something like that too. So if anybody's interested,
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definitely go back and listen to Mike's first episode.
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Like I said, I think it's number 83 or 88.
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But during that episode, I think towards the end, you and I got
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to talking about music and our passion as fans.
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Before we jumped on here, Mike was telling me he has a very
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pedestrian knowledge of music. Those are my favorite kind of
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people, though, because all the music for me is like splitting
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two sides. I got my musician friends who I
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love dearly, like Chris, you know, shared the stage with.
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That's a different kind of musical connection, and I love
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that. But I think some of my favorite
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connections are with people like yourself who just have a passion
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for music. You know, my dad was the first
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person to introduce me to the Doors and Led Zeppelin and the
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Eagles and The Rolling Stones. It classic rock, you know, the
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people who started it all. He's like, if you want to be a
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musician, listen to this. You know this is what you want
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to hear. Yeah, yeah.
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So I think you and I kind of, we were kindred spirits and that we
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have a love for the that same kind of music.
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You're wearing a Pink Floyd shirt, I'm wearing a Led
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Zeppelin shirt. We knew we were going to talk
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about music, but we did not plan this.
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So that's the kind of level of commitment to listening to music
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as an appreciation for the artist that I think you and I
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both have. So where did you get that
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appreciation? Did you develop it on your own?
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Did you get it from your parents?
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Well, yeah, so growing up, you know, like I talked about when I
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tell my story was like we were in the San Francisco area in the
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70s, which was a kind of the Ground Zero for like the hippie
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movement and a lot of that rock music that came out of of, you
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know, the psychedelic sounds of the, you know, Grateful Dead.
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Yeah. All those Jefferson Airplane,
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Starship, The Rolling Stones, you know all the.
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Find Your way back is one of my favorite for that feel of that
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era. If if you want to know what that
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era felt like, go listen to Find your way Back by Jefferson
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Starship. You just, you mentioned that
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band name and that song just popped in my head right away.
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I'd love that song. Guitar, the vocals, everything.
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It just oozes what that era of music felt like, you know?
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Yeah. So I think, yeah, like my, I
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guess take away from that was that, yeah, music's awesome.
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But like that it also was part of the culture too.
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And which was like when I was thinking about what we're going
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to talk about as far as like my, like, I've always been
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interested in how music is associated with certain cultures
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or cultural movements, you know, and taking the 60s kind of
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hippie movement as a great example of that and the music
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that went along with that, you know, and, or like in the 80s,
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when I was, you know, growing up as a teenager, it was, there was
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people who got into heavy metal like me and we're kind of like,
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we're headbangers, you know, like we're.
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Me too. Yeah, so into more like the Hard
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Rock, the Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Judas
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Priest there, there's so many Guns and Roses.
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Well, there's two things that you said there, not to interrupt
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you, but there's two things that you said there that I'd like to
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touch on. The first one is the cultural
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movement. And you don't know how right you
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are because I didn't know this until I started kind of
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investigating, for lack of a better term, how music affected
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culture, right? It affected it so much that the
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hippies in the 60s and early 70s had gained so much power that it
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scared Washington, DC And that was Nixon's single biggest
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reason for enacting all these sweeping psychedelic drug laws
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was the simple fact that the hippies were going to be able to
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outvote his party. Right.
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Yeah. That's a true story.
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I mean, he's, he's on tape there in the Watergate tapes, quoted
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as saying we got to do something about these goddamn hippies.
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Yeah, right, right. They're yeah, they're becoming a
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threat to what what the the government wanted to get done.
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And, you know, all these these people protesting and, you know,
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burning draft cards or, you know, all the different things
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they're doing civil rights, you know, and was just, it was
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counterculture, right? It was counter to the mainstream
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culture. So and that, yeah, you're right.
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Yeah. That I've read about that too,
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is how, you know, LSD, psilocybin, things like that,
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once they became the, the government targeted those drugs
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to put a damper on that, that movement, you know, that
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counterculture movement. And then the same thing happened
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in the 80s when you and I were teenagers, just on a different
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level, where they had what they called the Satanic Panic, right?
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Where Tipper Gore got involved and you ended up with the PMRC,
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the Parents Music Resource Center.
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You know, it got so ridiculous that it ended up in front of the
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Supreme Court, where Dee Snyder and.
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Oh yeah. There was a few rockers that
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went there and actually, you know, put on a suit and said,
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hey, you know, we're not Rob Halford from Judas Priest.
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He ended up in court because a kid committed suicide over
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beyond the realms of death. Yeah, yeah.
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So they blamed it on because he's, well, he cited that music
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in his note or he was listening. To something, he was listening
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to it when he committed suicide. I think Ozzy ended up in the
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same situation over suicide solution.
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Which if you listen to the lyrics, Chris and I have talked
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about it on the show numerous times.
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It's an anti drinking song right?
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Wine is fine, but whiskey's? Yeah, wine is fine, but
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whiskey's quicker. Yeah.
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Slow to death or something about he knows the lyrics but it's
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yeah basically saying hey keep drinking you're going to die,
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right? It's an anti suicide song or an
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anti liquor song, but the same. My point is the same thing
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happened in the 80s where, you know, they tried to convince us
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that music was a gateway to the devil and all it did was sell
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more records because Mike and Mike went to whatever record
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store and we leafed through the bins till we found that sticker
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and went this is going to be cool.
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Yeah. Right.
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Yeah, you wanted the one with that profanity or whatever,
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right? Yeah, the devil horns or
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whatever. Yeah, well, I think that's, you
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know, like with punk and heavy metal and those kind of that
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kind of music that started in the the I guess the late 70s,
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mid late 70s and the 80s for sure.
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It was like in like with Ozzy too, like always kind of
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pushing, pushing the, the envelope for the, you know what,
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what is taboo or, you know, what's really going to upset
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some people And like being in. So when I was I, I was going to
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church when I was a teenager, they would talk about that stuff
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too. Like that.
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Yeah. Like these these bands are, are
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Satanists or, you know, and they're and you should listen to
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Christian music. And then like we have Striper
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here, which is a Christian band and they don't, you know,
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they're they don't do any of that, that bad stuff.
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And Striper was actually pretty good as far as they were like a
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heavy metal band. Oz Fox is a great guitar player,
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Michael Sweets a great guitar player in his own right, and
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he's a great songwriter. They're one of the they were one
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of the examples, Mike, that I I use, as you know, of course, my
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heavy metal buddies, they would make I'll back up a second.
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The one thing that I always had going for me is I can play a
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guitar, right? So all I had to do was pick it
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up and do what I did when you logged on here, right.
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Like I'll just play you some music and you can decide how
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much you want to make fun of me. But I like, I literally like
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everything that doesn't suck, right?
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I think you and I are in the same boat.
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If it's got a good beat and it's got a good rhythm, I don't care
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what genre music it is. That's for what I like to call
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the layman, you know, the average person.
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I wouldn't even put you in that category.
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I think that basically in a nutshell, what were what we're
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looking for is to not music shouldn't be a competition,
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right? That's why I got into it in the
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first place. I love sports, but at the end of
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the day, it shouldn't be a competition.
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And who cares what genre is, you know, if if a guy is playing
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Christian rock and that's what makes him happy.
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I finally remembered my point. If you can't tell, I fumble fuck
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my way all the way back there. But.
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Yeah, no. Problem who cares what kind of
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music it is you know if that's what makes that guy happy, then
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that's the point of music is to be happy My mom listens to music
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that makes her happy that would drive me nuts you know she's
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probably like what? But that's what makes her happy.
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You know, that's the point of music is there's enough kinds of
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it that everybody's got something that they get to
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enjoy. But what kills me is when all of
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a sudden it becomes an argument about and not even an argument.
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Like let's say that you were that kind of person that you
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found out that I like Britney Spears, you know, whether I
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whether I do or I don't. And then you're like, well, come
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on, dude. What?
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What the fuck, man? You listen to Britney Spears?
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What? What are you?
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Were you gay? You know?
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Yeah, you're lame. Or just lame.
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Because we grew up in the same era.
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Do you you remember those guys? Well, yeah, so, yeah, growing up
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like so high school is like there was the, you know, you
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have your cliques or your crowds, whatever.
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So as a headbanger, I would not listen to Depeche Mode or the
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the Thompson Twins or, you know, all that.
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They have this whole slew of kind of like preppy type bands.
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There's another name for it. I, you probably know, like that
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kind of that genre, I guess, but.
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Well, back then it was just pop. Right, Pop.
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Yeah, it was more pop, I guess. Yeah, it would have been Top 40.
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Yeah, yeah, all those. So like, I would not listen to
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those just by reason of that. Like that's not cool to me.
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Like so I yeah, like. So you were that guy?
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Yeah, at that time I was for sure I was thinking about that.
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When you said that, I was like, yeah, like I've always been open
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minded to genres. But really as a teenager I
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wasn't though. And that was like, because like
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the group, my friend group, we're in a rock and heavy metal
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and we didn't, we're not going. To and of course being a heavy
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metal guitar or a rock guitar player, Chris hates it when I
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call it heavy metal. But basically we were a rock
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band. I was writing rock and metal
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riffs under his kind of rock styling voice.
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He he had more of a Southern rock kind of 10 tendency to his
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voice. So I guess, you know, that's
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what lend us to the rock edge. But I was just like you, man.
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The music that I gravitated towards was Iron Maiden, Judas
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Priest, Metallica, Megadeth, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath.
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Those were the bands that I loved.
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Aerosmith for. Sure.
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Oh, for sure. Anything that had a bit of an
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edge to it, right? Yeah.
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But Aerosmith was the first concert I went to.
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I think I was about 15 when I was a couple friends and or we
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lit up a joint. We had pretty good seats and we
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lit up a joint and I was like, holy shit.
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Like this is like it took me to a whole another place, you know,
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like I was like, OK, yeah, like this is this is something I
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like. Yeah.
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So it just like I felt like my universe just.
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What year was that mic so I can figure out what tour?
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It was, well that would be 85. I think it was the done with
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mirror tours maybe? That was it.
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Kind of when they're just coming back out of like addiction and
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rehab, I think maybe for the first time, but I think at that
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time they'd already been to rehab.
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I'm not sure, but I think that's kind of like and they they went
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a couple times, I know, but like that was maybe when they first
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tried it. Yeah, I think that was their
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first go around with it. Yeah.
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So, and I, Steven Tyler really made an impression on me at that
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time. Like I really felt like he
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really connected with the audience in a, in an amazing
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way. And then a couple years later I
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actually, I was in Chicago and I had a job driving horse and
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carriage downtown Chicago and I'm, I'm driving the carriage
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long. I don't know if I told you guys
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this story before, but I've driving the carriage along
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Michigan Ave. making some mile downtown and I, I see this like
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4 guys walking along and what they look like just like had a
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group of head bangers And I'm like looking a little closer and
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I'm like holy shit that's Aerosmith.
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So I, I got done with my ride and I went over towards the Ritz
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Carlton as I saw him walking down there and I caught up with
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them and I said hey you guys want a, a free carriage ride.
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And Steven Tyler turned around and shook my hand and said, no,
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maybe some other time. And and they kept going to the
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hotel. But that was, you know, I
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thought that was really cool that he was.
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That's awesome. Yeah, that he did that.
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Welcome, Chris Dunham. Thank you.
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Because we're on the subject. So my first concert was Poison,
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right? It was, it was cool.
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Mike. His first concert was the Done
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With Mirrors Tour. Aerosmith.
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Oh, wait on. I know Chris has told this story
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before, but because we're talking music and this is one of
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the best rock'n'roll, not rock'n'roll concert experiences
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I've ever heard, Poison. No.
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Tell the audience who your first concert was and try and do the
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story justice. Because I laughed my ass off,
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OK? So, so obviously, Mike, you're
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married to Chris. So this is what the Rodarte
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family, Tony, myself. And then the piles.
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I don't know if you probably remember the piles.
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Cherry, Cherry. Yeah, I just saw them recently
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at their Yeah Christmas. Yeah, so, so the piles.
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Allen got tickets to a concert at the Madhouse.
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I'm like down in Phoenix. Which is better?
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More to Coliseum. We got to be like, I don't know,
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10-11 years old somewhere around there.
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Maybe. I don't.
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I'd have to look at the year. But so my first actual true
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concert experience was meant at work, which a lot of people, ah,
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meant at work. You know, that's great, man.
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Yeah. Here's the problem.
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We're about probably 20 minutes into the show, right?
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They stopped the concert. The band does.
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They turn on all the house lights.
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And between the drum riser and the and the front of the stage,
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they drop this giant map. And I'm not kidding you.
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It's a giant map. Like, you know, Colin Hay takes
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out a pointer and starts educating us all on where
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Australia is. That was my first concert ever.
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And then and then, you know, later in life, I ended up seeing
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real rock'n'roll, but that was my first true experience to a
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concert. Of a rock band.
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When he told that story the first time at the end, he was
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like, if this is rock'n'roll, I don't like it.
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It was, it was just like, what the hell.
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Like really? I don't need a geography lesson,
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man. That's just.
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The first thought that popped in my head when Mike.
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Was talking what about the Vegemite sandwich?
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Yeah, he called the Vegemite sandwich.
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Jake Jake had a Vegemite sandwich when he was in
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Australia. When he was in Japan, he won.
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They, they got on a he got on a ship for deployment and and went
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to Australia and, and legit man, he had a Vegemite sandwich that
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it's disgusting. He'll never eat it again.
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Never, never, ever. Yeah.
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That's cool, sorry I'm late. Sold the house though, so that's
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a good thing all. Right.
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Congrats. That's what I told.
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You a good way to start off your day, huh?
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Yeah, second day of the year, you know, no complaints.
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When that's how you make your living, you got to go when duty
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calls. Right, right.
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So what else were you guys talking about that I missed?
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We basically just started off, yeah, just talking about music.
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And somehow we got talking about first concerts and oh, we're.
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I asked him what got him into music.
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Oh yeah. Like we ever round that out.
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Was it your? Yeah, I think like growing up in
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that culture that I grew up in or in the 70s with the hippies
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and the the. Hippies, yeah.
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There were music festivals. I remember going to music
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festivals. I don't remember the bands that
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we listened to really, but I, Janis Joplin lived down the
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street from us at one point apparently, like we're right in
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the thick of it. So there wasn't, you know, I
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remember being exposed to that personally.
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I didn't really start, I guess, listening to music or getting
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into music more on my own tells, like probably 14 or 15.
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Right, which everybody so. Looking back on that, Mike, what
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was that like living in San Francisco during that time?
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I know you weren't aware of it at the time because nobody's
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aware of their surroundings and what's going on.
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But looking back on it, what was that like being a kid during
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that time, being in the melting pot of what became popular
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culture? Yeah, well, it was exciting.
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I remember, you know, and it was, I remember like just like
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the atmosphere or the, the vibe, the, the culture was very, it
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seemed like there was a lot of energy, you know, like good
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energy that was not in only in the music, but in like these.
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The lifestyle. Yeah, like the ideas they had
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for for this cultural movement, you know, that was, I guess
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you'd call the hippie movement. But you know, like that there
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was a lot of, you know, that's a free love and stuff like that
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too. But there was like this, this
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like kind of brotherhood, I guess you would say, like your
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feeling too like, and even as a young kid I felt like I was
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included in that, which was nice, you know?
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So yeah, it was. It's the concept.
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Nobody's left behind, right? So if if your neighbor needed
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something, you would step up if you had the ability to help
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them. Right.
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Yeah, yeah. More like, yeah, communal kind
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of brother. Yeah, yeah, there you go.
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Like the main reason I. Brought that up, Chris, was that
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conversation first led to Nixon enacting these sweeping
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psychedelic drug laws, right? Oh and then that led to the 80s
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with the PMRC and the Satanic Panic.
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But it also led to we were going in a direction of free love.
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We all became, you know, we realized we needed each other.
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To your point, we were helping each other.
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Then they took away the psychedelics and all of a
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sudden, cocaine took over. And it was.
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Oh yeah. Basically balls to the wall.
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Yeah. I mean, the whole popular
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culture changed to another movement, right?
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It wasn't the same anymore. Sure, Yeah.
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And I think that, you know, when you look at the drugs that were
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associated with the particular and music too, like that also
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had an impact on the music, you know what I mean?
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Is that. Yeah.
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And that's, yeah, that's mostly my point.
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Think about the kind of music you were listening to when it
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was Free Love, and then think about the kind of music you were
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listening to when it was cocaine, and then think about
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the kind of music you were listening to in the 90s when
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heroin and opiates took over. Yeah.
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Yeah, no shit. I never thought of it that way.
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That's a that's a brilliant. Thing got into the grime scene
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out of Seattle with the the heroin and the depression and
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yeah. Like teenage angst, the world
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was me angst. Yeah.
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Whether that's a whether that's calculated somewhere
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subliminally or whether that's a byproduct, I don't know.
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But each each cultural movement has definitely had their own
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music based on the drugs they were doing.
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I think it would be a byproduct because I don't I don't know how
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you could consciously make a decision.
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OK, now we're going to we're going to get out of the pot and
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free love. We're going to go start, you
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know, cocaine and then and then you know what I mean?
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I I just think it, it evolved kind of like how music evolved,
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right? You have the hair metal, then
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you go in the grunge. So I think it just a great
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organic, I would say that organically just evolved.
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Yeah, I tend to agree with that for.
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Sure, but Mike lived in the in the era.
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So did it evolve like that? Mike, did you?
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Do you remember when it went from free love to to to 8 balls?
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Well, that's interesting because it did like I moved to the
23:41
Midwest and what about 79 probably so yeah.
23:45
So at that time, like things were changing, right.
23:47
And the, the, that movement is kind of pretty died out, you
23:53
know, and the hippies were like cashing it, you know, they were
23:57
all like wanting to. Get.
24:00
Careers and and and property and and money that you know, so
24:05
they, they realize, you know, there's a big shift there.
24:08
I think too is also like, I think, can you see the 80's?
24:12
The economics too are also part of it too, right?
24:16
Where suddenly there's, I think, more interest in making money
24:23
too, right? Like and making a lot of money,
24:25
you know, and like Wall Street, you know, and greed is good and
24:30
that kind of thing, you know? And that kind of like the fast
24:32
and hard music and the cocaine all kind of went along with that
24:36
too, I think. I never liked fast and hard
24:38
music. She'll don't to this day.
24:40
The hardest. The hardest and fast.
24:41
I'll listen to his Metallica. Some of the stuff that Mike
24:43
likes, I'd never touch that. That mic over there, not the mic
24:47
in the middle. Right, right.
24:48
Yeah, like in the middle isn't there is not a show too.
24:52
Yeah, probably Malcolm. Malcolm in the Middle.
24:55
Yeah. See.
24:56
It'd be funnier. Yeah, it'd be funnier if they're
24:57
supposed to be rebooting that too.
24:59
I don't know if that's true or not.
25:02
They better do it justice cause the first one was hilarious.
25:04
Well, they're bringing, from what I saw on that they're
25:07
bringing, it's the original cast.
25:09
Oh, they're just bringing them. Good.
25:11
Yeah, they're just bringing them back as, you know, kind of like
25:13
how there's that, that innuendo forever about Home Alone making
25:17
another one where Kevin's a grown up now.
25:19
Yeah. Which I think would be
25:21
hilarious, but they would if they.
25:22
I don't, I don't know if they're ever going to really do it, you
25:24
know, especially now that Reiner's dead.
25:26
Wasn't Rob Reiner part of that? He was right.
25:29
Home alone. Yeah, John Hughes, John Hughes
25:32
and Reiner, they were part of it.
25:33
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:36
So on that subject, since he brought it up, how?
25:41
I don't know how to ask this, I guess.
25:43
How heavy of music do you listen to, Mike?
25:46
So I don't listen to like speed metal or like real like thrash
25:50
speed metal, you know, I'll get into like maybe some Danzig or
25:56
something like that. See, now I would call Danzig
25:58
groove metal, right? It's.
25:59
Not. Groove.
26:00
Yeah. Groove metal.
26:01
OK. I never got into Danzig, man.
26:03
I couldn't. I like that song Mother, just
26:05
because it was dark. But.
26:08
Listen to the Twist of Kane. I've heard twist of Kane.
26:10
I've heard Twist of Kane. Or a bullet for my Valentine, I
26:14
think. Is that or?
26:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd put that on sometimes just
26:19
to like rock out in the car or something.
26:20
But yeah, yeah. Typically it's more like Iron
26:23
Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth would be like as the hardest
26:27
metal. I'd probably go for it, but.
26:30
You never got into Pantera. Not really, no.
26:33
Yeah, I didn't either. See, I'm on Pantera.
26:35
Yeah. I think seeing them twice
26:37
helped. Yeah.
26:39
You know, being at the concert and understanding what their
26:43
message was, you know, what are you trying to get across?
26:45
What are they? What were they trying to get
26:46
across, Mike? Just sheer aggressive, tight.
26:52
They were the tightest band I ever saw.
26:53
If they made a mistake, I never heard it.
26:55
Wow. Yeah, they, well, they, I know
26:58
that I was like, I'd hear about them and people, they seem to
27:01
have like a good following, I think.
27:04
But I think there was actually someone here local in Phoenix
27:06
who was in that band at one point, but that I ran into in
27:10
the recovery community. But.
27:13
Was it Carrie King Pantera? No.
27:17
Is that that's not Carrie King. He was and.
27:19
Slayer. Slayer.
27:20
That's right. OK, Don't hate me.
27:22
Don't hate me. I could.
27:23
Be wrong in that too. It might have been an or maybe
27:26
it was faster Pussycat maybe I was thinking of.
27:29
Take me down. Could be.
27:31
I don't remember the name. Yeah, I don't.
27:32
Remember the name? I actually just saw a clip of
27:34
them, Mike, from New Year's Eve or the night before.
27:37
They sounded really good. So that guy got his life back
27:41
together. I don't know if you know this.
27:42
His girlfriend, I think she was either murdered or committed
27:47
suicide on a cruise ship. Look that up, Chris.
27:49
Oh, what's her? What's his name?
27:51
You spell it TAIME. TNIME.
27:56
Down. Oh, it's there.
27:58
It is. American musician.
28:01
Yeah, his girlfriend died on a cruise ship under mysterious
28:04
circumstances not that long ago. The fiance of Faster Pussycats
28:08
lead singer Tammy Down has died after going overboard on an 80s
28:11
themed Royal Caribbean cruise, according to her family.
28:14
Kimberly Bush, 56, fell from the ship after an argument went
28:18
down, her mother Carol Bunch, told TMZ.
28:21
Fell. Fell from the ship.
28:23
Fell. From the ship.
28:24
It's kind of difficult to fall off a cruise ship, but maybe if
28:29
you're really drunk and you're leaning over the ledge or
28:31
something, I don't know. But that's the thing with the
28:34
cruise ship desk too, is like I sold cruises once years ago, but
28:37
they're. Like surprising.
28:40
What happened? I done but so they they these
28:44
cruise ship desks, they try to keep them kind of under wraps
28:47
right out of the media because that, you know, obviously it's a
28:49
bad press. But but yeah, like they it
28:53
happens though. They people disappear and fall
28:56
overboard and there's really nothing like in it.
28:59
There's some Gray areas as far as like law enforcement of who's
29:04
you. Know right, because you're in
29:05
the water, you're in the water that's especially.
29:07
Yeah, or you're. International in the water.
29:09
Yeah. Yeah.
29:11
So there's there She was. I don't know if that's sad
29:15
that's follow that's yeah. OK.
29:17
So there it is inside our crew immediately launched a search
29:20
and rescue effort and working with local authorities and
29:23
providing support and assistance to the guests families during
29:26
the difficult time to respect privacy guests.
29:29
We have no other additional details.
29:33
I can see it's probably because of the collagen and ellipse.
29:35
You just like had it like I'm done with fake lips.
29:38
Yeah, yeah. You know.
29:40
Maybe the maybe the boobs or the lips, I don't know.
29:43
Yeah. Stop doing that.
29:45
It's not nobody wakes up so I want a chick with.
29:48
College, like, yeah, like if we get a divorce, she's taking half
29:51
my money, so that's not going to.
29:53
Were they married or was it just a girlfriend?
29:55
I think it was his girlfriend, but.
29:57
Yeah, no, they were saying girlfriend.
29:59
They were saying girlfriend. It wasn't dumb.
30:02
It wasn't dumb. No fiance.
30:05
He was his fiance. Yeah, fiance.
30:07
Oh, OK. Oh, March 2nd.
30:09
Wow. Two days before my.
30:10
Birthday. It was probably a tragic
30:11
accident. I mean, I don't think most
30:13
people get on a cruise with the intention of dumping their
30:17
fiance. Over.
30:17
No, But no, no, you don't wake up.
30:20
You don't wake up on a Tuesday and say, oh, you know, I'm gonna
30:22
do today. Unless you're still a killer.
30:25
I think there there was AI know we're joking around, but there
30:28
was a lot of people who were joking around in a not funny
30:31
way. And I'm pretty sure he wasn't
30:33
anywhere near where it happened. And that's where the story
30:37
eventually came out that he just read where she had a fight with
30:40
her mother, right? Yeah.
30:42
Or his. Yeah, with.
30:43
With. With his mother, Yeah.
30:44
With him and his mother, Yeah. Yeah.
30:48
Well, and there's, you know, I mean, she could have Peter
30:50
panned off the deck, too, because you can Peter, pan off
30:52
those things. It's not that hard to climb over
30:54
and go. No, Yeah, that's what you're
30:56
trying to do, yeah. Yeah, I mean, and, and, and by
30:58
the time somebody saw you up there, it's too late.
31:01
I mean, when one of the last cruise we went on, we figured
31:04
out how to do a 5K on the on the ship.
31:06
Like I think it was the 7th. The 7th what?
31:08
A 7th floor. You go all the way around the
31:10
perimeter and there were plenty of spots to just grab the rail
31:13
and go woo, see ya. Obviously I didn't do that, you
31:16
know, But if you're gonna, if you want to kill yourself,
31:20
you're going to kill yourself. Yeah.
31:22
Or you could maybe like if you wanted to do a disappearing act,
31:24
like if you're, especially if you're in the Caribbean, the
31:26
water is pretty warm. So you could like jump
31:28
overboard, have someone pick you up on a little boat.
31:32
Do a DB. Cooper Yeah, yeah, A.
31:35
Little escape from Alcatraz action too right There's because
31:38
they never found those bodies either.
31:42
Right. Yeah, that's a.
31:43
So that's a good idea. So basically you, you, you have
31:45
everything set up in the Caribbean, new identity and you
31:48
just find yourself off the ship. You get picked up by a little
31:51
boat that takes you back to the wherever and then you get all
31:54
your new identity and you get on with your life.
31:56
Yeah, yeah. Interesting.
31:59
Yeah, that's a. Creed did that.
32:00
Creed Bratton did that. Every time he had a struggling
32:03
life, he would just reinvent himself.
32:07
Yeah. Change his name and everything.
32:10
Or no, no, he just, yeah, he transferred debt.
32:12
He would, he would find somebody who was dead and then he would
32:14
transfer all his debt to them and and then, you know, start
32:17
life over again. That's going to be my goal for
32:20
2026. You know who Creed Bratton is,
32:22
right? I don't.
32:26
Know OK, hold on. It's it's some of my weirdness
32:30
of of conversation. It's like we we talk about this
32:32
family all the time in Chicago. The the Gallagher's.
32:35
Remember the Gallagher's. Frank Fiona.
32:42
You know, Creed, man, It's Creed.
32:46
The Office. Yeah.
32:47
Yeah, OK. Yeah, see Creed.
32:50
Now here's a funny story about Creed.
32:51
OK, about the Office. They didn't write for him at
32:55
all. Everything he did on the show
32:56
was adlib. He had absolutely no script.
33:00
He had no script. Was all improv.
33:02
All improv. And he was actually a musician
33:04
in the 60s. That's crazy.
33:06
Yeah. And he's actually a touring.
33:07
He was a touring musician in the 60s.
33:09
Like, legit, the guy's crazy. And his real name is Creed
33:11
Bratton. That's that's what's crazy about
33:14
it. Here it is to tell you that.
33:19
Yeah. Yeah.
33:19
So Creed Bratton, born William Charles Schneider for in
33:23
February 8th, 1943, American acting musician, former member
33:27
of the rock band Grassroots. But he's best known for paying
33:30
the fictionalized, fictionalized version of himself on the NBC
33:33
comedy The Office. But yeah, he actually he, yeah,
33:38
the travel musician, global excursion, traveled to Europe,
33:41
Africa, Middle East, played guitar with the large folk
33:43
festivals in Israel, pairing with this group, the Young
33:45
Californians that eventually evolved into where he got into
33:50
the Grassroots. He was a member of the
33:54
grassroots. Yeah, he Yep, he was.
33:56
He was in 1965 was created, goes on and talk about the grassroots
34:02
tops, top songwriters, offering, you know, all the different
34:05
things, the songs he was in the involved in the Wrecking Crew,
34:09
the bunch of LA studio musicians.
34:11
He was one of those for a while. That's a great documentary if
34:16
you've never seen that. Yeah.
34:18
Oh yeah. Really good documentary.
34:20
What's it called The wrecking? The Wrecking Crew, it's it's
34:23
it's back in back like Sinatra era.
34:26
I basically is where I guess you would.
34:27
Call the way through the 60s. Yeah, the you'd have, you'd have
34:31
like Rolling Stones using my prime example because they were
34:33
one of them. They'd they'd come in and and
34:37
Jagger would be singing, but they would have studio musicians
34:40
putting the everything together and then the band would learn
34:42
all the music and then go on the road and tour.
34:44
So they didn't aside from the singer, nobody was in that was
34:47
in the band was actually in the studio during that era.
34:49
They had. There were.
34:50
Certain bands that couldn't perform in the studio, so these
34:53
guys would basically play all the instruments and then the
34:56
band would go out and play the songs live.
34:58
They weren't good enough to get it in one take or two takes.
35:02
Or you know, we're talking back when they were recording only
35:06
four tracks, so they didn't have all these overdubs that they
35:09
could do. You had to be pretty much
35:11
perfect. And the whole band was playing
35:13
in the same room. So they had these people who
35:16
were just killers, you know, they could go in and in one
35:19
take, they would read the chart one time and they would play the
35:24
song and. Yeah, people are just more
35:28
studio musicians and don't actually perform with the band
35:31
or who were, but they're still really good.
35:33
Like, was I thinking of Buckethead?
35:36
Yeah, who's amazing guitarist, but like, well, he performs I
35:40
guess by himself, but he's not like, yeah, his.
35:43
Problem is he is a complete introvert, that's why he has
35:47
that whole get up. Yeah.
35:49
He never. I just read an article about him
35:52
not that long ago. He has horrible stage fright.
35:55
That's where the mask comes from.
35:57
That's where. Oh really?
35:58
Fried chicken bucket came from? Wow, and I didn't know this.
36:02
He's 6 foot 7. Oh God.
36:04
Oh, is he that tough? Wow, that's huge.
36:05
Yeah. So he's kind of feels awkward
36:07
and self-conscious from him. Yeah.
36:09
But talk about one of the greatest guitar players to ever
36:12
pick up the instrument. Holy crap.
36:13
He hits. He invents scales and notes that
36:16
I didn't know could fit into a composition.
36:20
Yeah, the the Wrecking Crew is on Netflix mic because it was it
36:24
was in 2008. I'm trying to find a little
36:26
description of it just but everything I I'm clicking.
36:29
On I think I've maybe seen the the, you know, seeing that
36:33
there, but didn't really look into it as far as looking at.
36:36
More, it's definitely worth watching for sure.
36:39
Yeah, and they basically, one of the things that I'm, I'm I just
36:42
pulled up the document yourself. They basically were involved in
36:45
throughout the 60s and 70s, like the beats boys used the wrecking
36:51
crew. Yep, like the the singer would
36:52
go in, but then the beats Glen Campbell used the wrecking crew,
36:56
the monkeys used the wrecking crew.
37:00
It it's amazing the amount of people that actually just used
37:02
the crew. They were the really I'm trying
37:05
to find the picture of them because the the the bass player
37:08
was a chick man and she was just bad ass dude.
37:11
Like just like watching the document.
37:13
I was like, holy shit, this chick just is is amazing.
37:16
I. Wish I could remember her name.
37:17
I just read an article about her too a couple days ago.
37:20
Well, that's what I'm trying to find because they're not showing
37:23
any, any of them that it's just it's talking about the
37:28
documentary and that kind of jazz.
37:29
But it's not, it's not, it's not dropping the people.
37:34
It's just, you know, commenting on the movie itself.
37:36
It's like they're not pulling up the the images of the actual
37:39
wrecking crew members. It's just a wrecking crew.
37:44
Let's see if it's let's see what this one is.
37:50
So this this this is a picture of them in the studio.
37:57
The crazy thing is, is behind the scenes, the American public
38:00
didn't know any of this was going on, obviously.
38:02
Right. So that's that's a picture of
38:04
the Wrecking Crew. So all those are hired musicians
38:06
playing on somebody's somebody's album in the 60s and 70s.
38:11
Because the one, the other thing I read it went through the 60s
38:13
and 70s. They were legit.
38:15
That's what they were doing. They would the singer would come
38:18
in and everybody else would be studio musicians, session
38:21
musicians. What do you want to call?
38:23
Them. It's pretty, pretty crazy.
38:26
Well, then you got those certain, I guess, stars that are
38:34
able to play all the musicians too, like Prince are the
38:37
instruments like, yeah, Prince or Phil Collins from Phil
38:40
Collins, Billy Corgan. Yeah, Like they'll they'll go
38:44
into the studio and they'll play all the instruments themselves.
38:47
Yeah. Pretty amazing.
38:48
Yeah, which is cool. Yeah.
38:53
I came across that solo that that Prince did again on the the
38:58
week after he got snubbed from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
39:00
We talked about that. I.
39:01
Think you posted that on Instagram, didn't you?
39:03
Yeah, I. Came across as I put it up
39:05
again. Yeah, that's amazing.
39:06
I know that Prince is probably the baddest guitar player to
39:09
ever pick up the instrument. Yeah.
39:11
According to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he was not even in
39:13
the top 100, so he showed them. He just proved that like checked
39:17
this shit out and that was right off top of his head.
39:20
It wasn't. That was just that.
39:21
Was an improv solo. Yeah.
39:23
It's like watch this shit. Yeah, he was.
39:27
Here's another musical genius, you would say.
39:29
Probably right? Like.
39:29
Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
39:31
Like if he lived on another universe.
39:33
Couple 100 years ago he would have been a Mozart or a, you
39:36
know, Beethoven or something, but.
39:38
Here's a funny Prince story. So Weird Al for years wanted to
39:42
do Prince's music, and even though he didn't have to, he
39:47
asked every artist's permission. He did not have to, but he felt
39:51
weird if they didn't accept it. Prince always told him no.
39:55
So they both got put up for a Grammy and they both got put up
40:00
in the same row, right? Oh, oh, that's funny.
40:02
So he gets a letter from Prince's manager that says don't
40:07
look Prince in the eye. And everybody in the row got the
40:10
same letter, right? It wasn't just Weird.
40:12
Al Prince was just, I'm telling you, he lived in a precious
40:15
universe. He did.
40:16
He did. So Weird AL's like, not only did
40:18
he keep dissing me and not letting me use a song, but then
40:22
I, you know, get put up for a Grammy and we're in the same row
40:24
and I can't shake his hand or anything.
40:26
I can't even look at him. Yeah, eye contact, yeah, I, I
40:31
think he's not the only position.
40:33
I think Bob Dylan was like that too, Like, yeah, don't what?
40:38
Meet people or have eye contact or.
40:42
I just, I think that's dumb. It is dumb and I guess the
40:47
reason that I would defend Prince is at least he was a fan
40:52
of music and he was very appreciative of other musicians,
40:55
where Bob Dylan has been quoted many times as hating other music
41:00
and the only reason that he was happy that people covered his
41:03
music is because it made him money.
41:06
Wow, I've seen it sound like a different side of him I hadn't
41:09
heard before. Once you stop smoking all the
41:12
weed man, you start seeing dollar signs.
41:14
Yeah, right, right. Yeah.
41:17
And that's what, you know, like I mentioned earlier, that's what
41:19
tippies did. They all decided to to cash in,
41:22
right. You know, like.
41:22
Right. But the thing.
41:24
That I can't ever accept is somebody who doesn't always
41:31
continually be a fan of music, right?
41:35
It doesn't matter that you're a musician if you're not a fan of
41:38
music first and foremost, I can guarantee you we're not going to
41:41
get along. Yeah, you got to be a fan.
41:46
Yeah, like, why wouldn't you be a fan of music?
41:48
I. Because too many musicians get
41:50
caught up here in their head and they're all the sudden now
41:53
they're I'm an artist. Right.
41:55
Yeah. Don't talk to me, I'm an artist.
41:58
Right. Well, Prince was an artist
41:59
member of the artist formerly known as Prince.
42:01
He was, but the another reason I'll defend him as he hold
42:04
himself away in that mansion and just wrote music.
42:07
He didn't bother anybody. He didn't true, you know.
42:10
True. He was asked, he basically asked
42:13
everybody to leave him alone so he could create.
42:16
Well, growing up, so I grew up in Minneapolis in the 80s and,
42:19
and of course Prince was big on the the music scene there on
42:22
that time. And so and downtown Minneapolis,
42:25
he had a club called 1st Ave. where some pretty big acts would
42:29
play, I guess I think he played there sometimes.
42:31
I never, I never saw him live, but but a lot of people in my
42:34
school were into Prince. But at that time that wasn't
42:39
really fitting in with what my group was into.
42:42
So we didn't really get into Prince.
42:44
But I definitely later on I came to appreciate him more.
42:47
And like I did go to that. I did go to 1st Ave. then they
42:50
had a little club right next door that was called 7th St.
42:55
entry where local bands could play like the new up and coming
42:59
acts would play. So that was just, you know, it
43:01
was a lively, it was a pretty lively music scene there.
43:03
And then I had a couple of friends who were drummers too,
43:07
So and one was one was in a band 1.
43:12
I don't think he ever they were both in bands, but I only saw
43:15
one of them. But but I was definitely like,
43:19
we'd be going to to bars and and clubs and that too, and
43:21
listening to music even as as a teenager and that, you know,
43:25
that scene. So that was a lot of fun.
43:28
Yeah, see, I didn't, I didn't really appreciate Prince till I
43:30
got older either. Like, like everybody was
43:33
introduced to Purple Rain, right?
43:34
Because Purple Rain was a massive movie #1 and sure.
43:38
Right. So.
43:39
That was like mid 80 when the Purple Rain came out, like 8687,
43:42
right? So.
43:42
That was 4. Probably 84 of that.
43:45
So that that was my introduction as most people, but it it it
43:48
probably, it probably took another 15 years or so to
43:52
actually like then realize what a musician he was.
43:56
I didn't realize he played all the instruments probably till
43:58
about 10 years ago, maybe 15 years ago, because it's not
44:01
something that you would commonly know, right?
44:04
It's but then you did now that he's gone and then you start
44:08
seeing all these things, you know, excerpts of his life
44:10
coming up. It's, you know, the soul of
44:12
rock'n'roll him. I never knew that story tell it
44:14
popped up on on the socials in the last.
44:16
Year. Oh, really?
44:18
Yeah, yeah, I remember when that happened.
44:20
Yeah. And then I saw the videos of
44:22
them and on stage I was like, Oh my gosh, this is amazing.
44:26
My appreciation for him came in the same way that it came for
44:29
Pantera. A friend of mine had a extra
44:31
ticket to the concert and didn't want to go by themselves.
44:34
And I was like, I was in the same boat as you guys.
44:36
I didn't have an appreciation for him.
44:38
I knew who he was. I like the songs that were on
44:41
the radio, but not enough to go buy the music.
44:43
Right. Yeah, exactly.
44:45
When I saw him in concert and I saw him shred on a guitar, I was
44:48
like, holy shit, Eddie Van Halen could take some lessons from
44:51
this guy. And I'm sure Eddie will tell you
44:53
the same thing before I get all the hate mail again.
44:56
Yeah, Prince was just on another level.
44:58
It was like he equated to the guitar the same way Stevie Ray
45:04
did for me. And Eddie's in that same boat,
45:06
right? It was an extension of
45:08
themselves. He wasn't playing it, he was
45:10
pulling it out of the air and giving it back to you.
45:13
It was effortless. Yeah, I put, I put the solo on
45:16
our on our Facebook page. Oh, sweet.
45:18
Yeah, because if, I mean the actual video itself is like 6
45:21
minutes long. It's.
45:22
Outstanding. For the whole I mean it just I
45:24
would like to know that because you, if you watch the video,
45:28
you'll see him every now and then.
45:29
Look at Tom Petty like I'm still going, man.
45:32
Not done yet. And the night that I saw him, he
45:37
did Jimi Hendrix, Red House. That's what blew me away.
45:40
And he did the same thing, probably a 5 or 6 minute guitar
45:44
solo in the minute or in the middle of Red House.
45:47
Yeah. And nobody in that crowd wanted
45:49
that solo to end. It wasn't like people are
45:52
looking at their watch, you know?
45:53
Is he ever going to quit playing?
45:55
That 5 or 6 minutes went by like in an instant because every note
45:59
that he played had meaning. Yeah, no, you can tell in the
46:03
Hall of Fame when you can, you can completely tell how he's
46:06
just lost and what he's doing. And it does time, just you look
46:10
down the videos always like, damn it, yeah, you know.
46:13
You can't believe you just listen to somebody play a guitar
46:15
solo for that long. Right there wasn't supposed to
46:17
be there. I'm sure the producers were
46:21
freaking out. What are you doing?
46:24
What would you say was the best concert you've ever been to to
46:28
to date Mike? But just so.
46:33
Yeah, I haven't been to a lot of concert in recent years, but
46:37
that's a good question. That blew you away.
46:45
It doesn't have to be. Well, you know, like to talk
46:46
about that first Aerosmith concert.
46:48
That'll always be something that, you know, I will remember.
46:53
That made a big impact on me, you know, you know, Iron Maiden
46:57
I've seen a couple of times too, and they they put on a really
46:59
great state show. So that's that's a fun show.
47:05
I saw the Grateful Dead a couple of times.
47:07
How? Are they live?
47:08
They they were, they were, they were good.
47:15
Yeah. Part of that experience, of
47:17
course. Like, yeah, I have to say that I
47:19
dropped some acid, you know, so that was part of it too.
47:22
But I that, you know, took you to hold another place too, So,
47:29
and they would just go on for hours and hours too.
47:31
It just seemed like, you know, for just go on and on.
47:35
So and they had, they had two drum sets at one point and all
47:38
this other, you know, so it was quite a show too.
47:42
But the, I don't know if I'd be able to narrow down, you know,
47:45
funny, I, I remember 1 concert I saw that made an impact on me
47:49
too. And I was just outside of Paris
47:50
when I was there that year and Midnight Oil played an open air
47:55
concert there. We're all like just outside just
47:59
rocking out to this. And I wasn't like a huge kind of
48:03
Midnight Oil or anything. But it there there that whole
48:07
show I guess made a a big impact.
48:08
It was just a lot of fun, like that kind of thing.
48:10
It was kind of, you know, you know, I guess unscripted and not
48:17
really super organized, but it was, it was a fun show.
48:22
Yeah, Feliz, you don't know midnight oil is a banned from
48:24
Australia. They were all about, yeah, they
48:28
were, they were all about supporting the Aborigines and
48:31
raising money and, you know, equality and things like that
48:34
for them, for that. Yeah, very like socially
48:36
conscious. Yeah, what was their big hit?
48:38
Beds are burning. Beds are burning.
48:39
Yeah, yeah, yeah. How come you sleep?
48:43
When the beds are burning. That was one of our little towns
48:47
claim to fame. That's how lame we are.
48:49
They stopped at our Kmart, They didn't play here or anything,
48:53
they just stopped at the Kmart. They probably had to get some
48:55
shit or paper for the bus or something.
48:57
That's funny. That made the newspaper.
49:01
What you. Need anything from ashes?
49:04
I don't. I don't.
49:07
Here. Yeah.
49:07
Come say hi. That's that's Mike and Mike.
49:16
What up? What up, Jake?
49:18
Hey man, ask Jake the concert. Let's see what he says.
49:20
Oh. That's good.
49:21
How are? You What's the best concert
49:23
you've ever been to? Oh, that's a hard one.
49:29
That just blew you away. I took him to Matchbox, not
49:34
matchbox when I always do that to 30 seconds, 30.
49:36
Well, yeah, but she fell asleep 30 Seconds To Mars twice, twice
49:39
the the second. 10 I bet the 1st.
49:41
One was better because it was a Linkin Park that was at the
49:45
height of 30 Seconds To Mars, wouldn't you say?
49:48
Yeah. That was after This is where
49:50
album came out. Yeah.
49:53
Either it's been tied between the 30 Seconds To Mars concert
49:57
in 2013 or Alter Bridge. Oh, yeah, 18.
50:02
Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah, yeah.
50:03
Alter Bridge was good. Yeah.
50:05
I should play all the songs that I knew.
50:06
So sick. Yeah, Their set was nice.
50:09
And we were on the we were on the, we were.
50:11
Really right in front of the stage.
50:12
Front row. Yeah.
50:13
Mark Trumani's side. And you got four of the best
50:15
musicians that have ever graced the instrument.
50:19
He said they have four of the greatest musicians who have ever
50:22
graced the instrument. Yeah, it was cool.
50:26
Or, I mean, I can always bride that.
50:31
I saw Guns and Roses in concert. True Chinese Democracy album at
50:36
celebrity theater. Guns and Roses, OH.
50:38
Guns and Roses. Yeah, yeah.
50:40
During the Chinese Democracy tour, when they came back for
50:42
that, that was a big. Production.
50:45
I had that shirt somewhere. With Chinese democracy.
50:48
Yeah, I have a concert shirt somewhere.
50:50
Yeah, I think seeing Guns and Roses in their prime would have
50:53
been something special too in their first time shot.
50:56
The set like How do you fall asleep during Guns and Roses
50:59
concert? Chris knows mine, mine's
51:02
obviously Metallica. That changed my life.
51:05
That's what made me want to be a musician for sure. 1988 on the
51:08
Injustice for All tour. I was in the front row.
51:11
Yeah, yeah. Oh nice.
51:13
Yeah, right on. Queens Reich opened up.
51:15
That concert definitely changed my life.
51:19
I need to go to more concerts but.
51:21
You know. There's like.
51:22
You're a little busy. Yeah, it's kind of a little
51:25
busy. I think there's something about
51:27
an outdoor concert that's, I don't know, to me, it's maybe
51:31
the sound might not be as good, you know, as you might get in a,
51:35
a certain Amphitheatre or something.
51:37
But just like the vibe and the, the, you know, the atmosphere in
51:42
an outdoor concert, to me, it was a lot of fun.
51:44
The second the. 2nd 30 Seconds To Mars is outdoors.
51:47
Yeah, Cricket Pavilion. Oh, outdoors, Yeah, yeah.
51:53
Jerry Leto was like how the he's like how you guys standing
51:56
outside of this so long. You guys are all fucking
51:58
lizards. It was like July.
52:02
It was like, yeah, it was like July before my first day of
52:04
senior year, and it was like. I mean, to our benefit, we were
52:09
in the pit, so we have space. Is it so for those of you that
52:11
are just listening, the cricket Pavilion is out in the middle of
52:15
the desert in Arizona, and if you're playing there as a band
52:19
in the summertime, it's going to be about 115°.
52:22
I saw Steve Miller there three times and the third time I saw
52:26
him, he said. I'm pretty sure I need to fire
52:28
my tour manager because he keeps booking me here in August.
52:33
Right. It's a wrong time of year to be
52:35
playing outdoors in Phoenix for sure.
52:37
For sure. I got to go change the oil in my
52:40
car. I got to bounce.
52:41
All right. Good seeing you, Jake.
52:43
As well. How's the Marine, ladies and
52:49
gentlemen? Yeah, yeah.
52:53
Oh, it's good to see Jake. Yeah, he came, It was funny.
52:56
He came home for Christmas, then he had to leave Saturday after
53:00
Christmas just to come back the 31st.
53:04
They they they made him come back for like 2 days.
53:07
So this is the dumbest thing ever, Dad.
53:09
Really. Yeah.
53:14
Yeah, he just, he just bought a National.
53:15
Debt just keeps ticking up. Right.
53:18
He just bought a 1979 Camaro with his his Trump dividend,
53:25
they called it. It's a project car.
53:28
It's a project car. He's going to.
53:29
He's going to. Project Car.
53:31
So it's it's kind of rough. Car it's yeah, it's got four
53:34
different tires, 4 different rims, has no carburetor.
53:37
What's he got? What's he got 350?
53:39
350 small block he he got he registered to hear plates as gas
53:44
guzzler. He needs to throw a 454 in there
53:46
man. He's going to he's going to turn
53:49
it into a manual. Him and his buddy, him and his
53:51
buddy Tyler on the in back in Pendleton.
53:55
They're going to, they're going to, they're going to rehab it.
53:58
It's this project car. I was like, right on.
54:01
He's excited about it and he's and he's not.
54:03
He came from me, so he's not mechanically inclined.
54:05
So YouTube's his friend and his buddies like he, he changes his
54:08
own oil, all that kind of stuff. He works on his own car and
54:10
shit. I'm like, right on son.
54:13
I can change, it is amazing for that shit.
54:15
It is, yeah. That's why we're sitting here
54:17
doing this podcast. That's how we learned to do it.
54:20
And because of what his job is in the Marines, he has free
54:23
time. He's not going out, you know,
54:25
sniping anybody. He's accounting, supply and
54:28
logistics. So he's he's got his office
54:30
hours and he's got a cake job teach.
54:34
Yourself to do something else. He's got time to burn.
54:36
Yeah, he's we we told him when he was in Japan he should learn
54:38
Japanese. And, you know, of course he
54:40
didn't. So now he's on Duolingo learning
54:41
Japanese because he wants to go back.
54:45
Dude, you're there. You're there in the environment,
54:50
and you don't learn it, you know?
54:52
Well, you know, I didn't want to, Dad.
54:54
It's like, OK, whatever. I'll learn it now.
54:57
Well, I got about 15 minutes left guys, just to give you a
55:00
heads up because I do have I got to go to work today too.
55:03
So I. Didn't went to work man.
55:06
Come on, Slack. Yeah, you got it done already.
55:08
Yeah, that's, that's awesome. So I want to ask you a question
55:11
because I come on, Steve, I follow you.
55:13
Obviously, we're friends. No, No questions.
55:16
What is that? Of an extremely personal nature.
55:21
Camera and your light in the background.
55:23
OK, Oh, there we go. So, but I, I noticed from last
55:26
time we spoke, Mike, you've, you've kind of went down a, a,
55:31
a, a fitness path. Like you always run into fitness
55:33
because I, you know, before we had you on what I didn't know
55:37
about you through the Rodarty family and stuff.
55:39
Like, you know, obviously you're a fit individual, but you've
55:41
kind of, you've kind of taken a turn to the whole fitness
55:45
aspect. Can you talk a little bit about
55:46
that? As far as the theme of my
55:50
Instagram, yeah, yeah. I think it was like just kind of
55:54
fun, like posting different things I was doing and that
55:58
would kind of also kind of challenge me to think of
56:02
something to do that I wanted to post.
56:03
But so in a way that, you know, but then at some point I felt
56:07
like I was getting too like wrapped up in the idea of I got
56:10
to do something that I'm going to post, you know, like so I
56:13
kind of cooled off on it a bit. But but I am still.
56:17
Yeah, I'm definitely that was probably well, like a lot of
56:20
what I've done this year is like boxing twice a week, gyms the
56:25
other days, you know, And so they're definitely I feel like I
56:30
am trying to I guess I'd say I'm trying to squeeze every drop of
56:36
performance I can get out of this body while I still can.
56:39
Is 1 you know, basically right, You know, so and, and part of
56:44
that is just like finding new things to, to challenge myself
56:49
or to to keep me engaged in this fitness journey.
56:52
So now, because boxing is always fascinating me, but I, I won't,
56:55
I won't even attempt it because the, the divert the degenerating
56:58
vertebrae in my neck. So there's just no way.
57:00
But have you, have you actually sparred with anybody yet or is
57:02
it just more training side? Yeah, I know.
57:04
It's been a few months since I sparred.
57:05
I'm about to start doing it. Honestly the last time I did it
57:09
I got so winded after like a minute that I was like oh shit,
57:14
I've got to get in better shape to be able.
57:16
To and you're already in shape. Yeah, but yeah, you think you're
57:20
in shape until you get in a boxing ring.
57:21
You're trying to get someone's trying to knock your head off,
57:24
you know, like, and you're moving around and, and punching
57:27
and. And after about a minute, I was
57:29
pretty winded. And then in this, I only did a
57:31
couple of rounds and I I realized that I need to get in
57:34
better shape and also worked on my my defense and footwork too.
57:38
OK, that's interesting because next week we're having our Jake
57:41
Johnson back on the show. He's a boxer we had on I think
57:44
the first second year. Yeah.
57:46
So that's it. I never thought of that.
57:48
I never thought of because you are.
57:49
I mean, I know obviously there's a lot of cardio that comes to
57:53
boxing. Yeah.
57:54
So did did you watch the the Jake Paul, the Anthony Joshua
57:57
fight? Yeah, if you could call out a
58:00
fight, yeah, I did watch it. It was entertaining.
58:04
It was. So what I noticed with Jake Paul
58:07
is that I think his plan coming into that match was to avoid
58:15
Anthony as much as he could, you know, try and just stay away
58:19
from him. And he noticed that as the
58:21
rounds progressed that he was having more trouble staying away
58:26
from. And he kept dropping his hands.
58:29
Yeah, yeah. Like in the for Sean, he started
58:30
dropping his hands. Is that just for his?
58:33
Defense was pretty good though. He dodged a lot of sure dodged a
58:36
lot of blows, but then he would he would get down and grab.
58:39
He would either fall to the mat or get knocked down and he would
58:43
grab Anthony's leg like this, which, yeah, he did that so many
58:47
times. I'm like, what's?
58:49
What do you? Spend a lot of time on
58:51
strategies. He did spend a lot of time on
58:52
his knees, Yeah, so. It was, you know, I think these
58:58
are shows, though, like, these are spectacles, like, you know,
59:00
the things Jake Paul does. It's not like.
59:03
It's a money grab for. Sure, and it's total money grab.
59:05
They both made $92 million. Yeah.
59:08
You know, I mean, and now Tyson's come out saying I want
59:10
to fight him again with no strip.
59:11
I had to fight where I fight because I needed the money,
59:13
which everybody knew. That fight was bullshit.
59:15
Yeah, Tyson shouldn't fight again.
59:16
He his leg work. He he just doesn't have the legs
59:19
anymore. Like to, to, to get around.
59:21
Like he saw his punch. I'm sure like he could take a
59:24
punch and throw a punch. But like, I just when I saw
59:27
watch that fight, I was like his, his legs are just not there
59:30
anymore to, you know, to do what he needs to do.
59:33
That's interesting, I never thought about that either.
59:36
The legs. Yeah, and that's a huge part of
59:39
it too. With everything, with the power
59:42
of your punch, the positioning, getting around your defense was
59:46
like, yeah, so, so much about the legwork.
59:50
That's cool. That's a good, that's a good
59:51
approach. So what's your favorite?
59:53
What's your favorite workout? If I if I had to say, Mike,
59:57
we're going to go do your favorite workout today, what
59:59
would it be? Yeah, I guess it would be a
1:00:02
boxing workout. I mean, I just because it gets
1:00:05
it hits all, you know, your cardio, you might, you probably
1:00:08
use somebody weight exercise. You can do some squats and some
1:00:11
push ups and maybe pull ups. I'm not really going to like in
1:00:15
a, in a boxing training workout. I don't really get on the weight
1:00:19
machines or anything. But you're doing body weight
1:00:23
exercises, some cardio, some, you know, a lot of different
1:00:27
things. So it definitely gets me more to
1:00:30
where I'm just dripping sweat after, you know, a few minutes,
1:00:33
which is. Which is the whole point of
1:00:35
working out. Yeah, yeah.
1:00:36
So like if I go to the gym by myself and do weight training,
1:00:40
like I'm not really sweating, sweating bullets, you know, I'm
1:00:43
like taking little rests in between sets and all that.
1:00:48
So, well, yeah, 'cause weight. That's weight training, right?
1:00:50
Weight training is boring you. Know it is right.
1:00:52
It's not as engaging and that. Yeah.
1:00:54
So yeah, for sure. Yeah.
1:00:58
So or even just going for a nice run.
1:01:01
I still like going for a little run.
1:01:02
I haven't been doing as much lately, but yeah.
1:01:06
So this is kind of cool. Hold on.
1:01:09
You're going to like this or you may not like it.
1:01:12
Boom, that's you. That's you jump roping, right?
1:01:20
Yeah, looks like I'm way up high, which I thought was cool
1:01:22
because just because of the angle or something.
1:01:24
Yeah. It's awesome dude.
1:01:26
Yeah. So in the jump rope, that's a a
1:01:29
part of it too. You know, it was like getting
1:01:32
proficient at jump rope, which is a really great, great
1:01:35
exercise. Is is this when you hang upside
1:01:38
down? Oh, that's just the monkey.
1:01:40
Bars, that goes to the monkey bars there, yeah.
1:01:42
Yeah, Which EOS, which EOS do you work out at?
1:01:48
I don't go to EOS anymore. That one was the one on Warner
1:01:51
and Mcclintock or in Tempe, but I cancelled that because I just
1:01:55
wasn't hardly using it. So it's a Vasa I go to when I go
1:01:59
to the gym, which is a nice yeah, they have a really nice
1:02:02
gym over here on Almost School in Ray.
1:02:05
There he is, boxing. That's over at Iron Gloves in
1:02:09
Tempe. OK.
1:02:12
Yeah, getting. Better at the speed bag too has
1:02:14
been something like. I don't know if that was my last
1:02:18
one but like if you noticed this.
1:02:20
Was this was a November 23rd 2025 S about a month.
1:02:25
Yeah, that's probably the latest one.
1:02:26
Like if you go back and look at my earlier speed bag, I'm a lot
1:02:30
slower. So like I've also been able to
1:02:32
to get get up to speed with that and.
1:02:35
How much of that is cardio, How much I'm like, how much is your
1:02:38
heart pumping from doing that? That's not too strenuous of the
1:02:43
cardio, but with like the shoulders and the arms like that
1:02:46
can be, you know, tie ring after a time until you get where, you
1:02:52
know, fitness, Sir. Wait on, what's Michael Rosie,
1:02:57
you want to follow Mike on on Instagram?
1:02:58
There he goes. There's just Larose Fitness.
1:03:03
Yeah, yeah. I just, yeah, I don't know.
1:03:06
I was looking for a different handle and that seemed.
1:03:09
Yeah, definitely. The fitness is a big part of the
1:03:12
theme. I guess so.
1:03:13
Yeah, well, I mean, it was same same for me when I stopped
1:03:15
drinking it. Just you dive into fitness, you
1:03:17
know, you got to do something with your time.
1:03:19
You got to occupy your mind somehow.
1:03:20
Yeah, with being older and and not being a in partying anymore
1:03:25
or not, I think you see people go in different directions as
1:03:28
they get like around our age, they're going to become day
1:03:32
drinkers and all the time drinkers maybe and or they're
1:03:35
going to get really into fitness.
1:03:36
Yeah. Yeah, right.
1:03:37
It's, it's there's like it's a spectrum.
1:03:41
Which of the spectrum are you on?
1:03:42
Or like what? I don't know what you're doing
1:03:44
if you're in between, if you're not doing either of those
1:03:46
things, what the hell are you doing?
1:03:47
But. That is a true story for a lot
1:03:49
of people though. A lot of people redline it all
1:03:51
the way to the end. Yeah.
1:03:54
As far as the drinking, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:03:57
There are some moderate. I would consider myself a
1:03:59
moderate. You know, I'm somewhere in the
1:04:01
middle. I try and take care of myself
1:04:04
but I also still have a good time so.
1:04:07
Right, but you're not, you're not drinking a six pack either.
1:04:09
You have a beer and you're done. Yeah.
1:04:11
I'm definitely not drinking to the point where I'm blacking out
1:04:14
anymore because it's not fun. No.
1:04:18
Chris knows where I spent my New Year's Eve.
1:04:19
I was watching high school basketball.
1:04:21
So yeah, things have changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Nick and I
1:04:25
were watching. What was it Lost?
1:04:27
A few episodes of Lost and. Oh yeah?
1:04:29
Did you watch it when it first came out?
1:04:31
No, we just stumbled on it. Oh really?
1:04:34
Yeah, we're in Season 4 now. That was a show that, like
1:04:38
before, yeah, it was like, before streaming really took off
1:04:41
and like, but it was like a show that would have been a streaming
1:04:45
show, you know, like, as far as like it, it kept people coming
1:04:49
back for many seasons, you know, to watch.
1:04:51
It so yeah, you'll really enjoy it man that's a.
1:04:53
Yeah, we're, we're towards the end of the fourth season.
1:04:56
We just, we just wrapped up Nurse Jackie, which was
1:04:58
interesting. You ever seen that one?
1:05:04
There's gentle, yeah. Oh yeah, that was a great.
1:05:06
Series too. Oh yeah, with.
1:05:07
Edie Falco Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's coming back for another
1:05:10
season. That's why we watched it.
1:05:11
Sweet. Yeah.
1:05:12
And it'd be interesting to see where they picked it up because,
1:05:14
you know, if you watched the, the last scene of the last
1:05:16
episode of Season 7 is like, all right then.
1:05:20
Yeah, she's such a great actress and that's a perfect role for
1:05:23
her. Yeah, yeah.
1:05:26
Cool. Anything else you want to add
1:05:27
there, Michael Rose? No, no to yeah, No, I don't know
1:05:38
what's coming up. We got some good shows coming up
1:05:40
around town. You guys keeping tabs on there?
1:05:42
Are you? Are you?
1:05:43
Well, you're in. You're in Michigan or something.
1:05:45
Are you in Illinois? Illinois.
1:05:47
Illinois, yeah. Yeah.
1:05:48
Well, yeah, no, Well, I have to say that I wanted to add that
1:05:52
Chicago also had an impact on my, I guess, my musical develop
1:05:58
or my, you know, experience. The band Chicago.
1:06:02
No, no, being in Chicago and being exposed to Blues and jazz
1:06:06
to like more, especially more probably more Blues.
1:06:08
But the Blues and jazz scene in Chicago, it probably still is,
1:06:13
was amazing. You know, like in going to
1:06:15
little bars and clubs and hearing these bands and
1:06:19
musicians, you know, are just the the jazz improv and stuff
1:06:22
too. That was a whole nother part.
1:06:24
So, you know, I think with the music to like being able to,
1:06:31
well, my life, being in different areas and different
1:06:34
times and, and getting exposed to these different genres of
1:06:38
music too was really great for my, I guess, appreciation of, of
1:06:43
music too, you know, And like, so, you know, I kind of, I
1:06:48
really benefited from that, like being in different areas during
1:06:51
different times when music was, or even, you know, going out to
1:06:56
Seattle in 1990 to and, and seen some local bands, you know, and
1:07:01
I never got to see Nirvana or. Literally.
1:07:03
Don't have a pilot? History at that time.
1:07:05
Yeah, yeah. But just, yeah, just kind of
1:07:07
getting a taste of of the the flavor in the culture, you know,
1:07:10
and so. That's one thing that when Chris
1:07:15
and I were in Nemesis, we were hyper aware of what was going on
1:07:18
at the time. You know, we used to sit and
1:07:21
talk about how much good music was coming out.
1:07:23
It was like just one banger album after another.
1:07:26
You know? You knew that you were living
1:07:28
through a special time because there was so much.
1:07:30
You were just inundated, which is so much good music.
1:07:34
And the other thing that I noticed talking about, you know,
1:07:36
you living in Chicago and the guitar playing and the jazz, and
1:07:40
when I moved to Arizona, I noticed right away that there
1:07:44
was a sound that came out of this part of the country that
1:07:48
nobody else grabbed onto because I used to get complimented all
1:07:52
the time on my tone. You know, the way that our
1:07:55
actual audio was not just the songwriting, but how good we
1:07:59
sounded. And I was like, you know, the
1:08:01
way I was raised in the music business in this part of the
1:08:04
country was you can write the Best Song in the world and if
1:08:08
you don't present it the right way, nobody's going to want to
1:08:10
listen to it. If you got a tinny guitar and a
1:08:13
shitty PA system and no light show, who's going to want to see
1:08:16
you, You know? So I just thought all that was a
1:08:19
given. And then Chris and I would go
1:08:21
see local bands, and some of them had their shit together and
1:08:24
some of them didn't. It's like, do you not know how
1:08:26
to tune your guitar? Do you not know how to get a
1:08:28
good tone out of that amplifier? Those kind of things.
1:08:33
Yeah. So I'm glad you brought up the
1:08:35
blue scene in Chicago, because it's still outstanding and it's
1:08:38
definitely lent itself to the world for a lot of years.
1:08:43
Yeah, Nikki and I were in New Orleans.
1:08:44
We went. We went one of the nights we
1:08:46
were there on on, we went on a cruise that neither one of us
1:08:49
jumped over the side and we we just stumbled.
1:08:52
We stumbled into a couple bars and listen to some of the the
1:08:54
live music. It was it was fun, man.
1:08:56
They're those, those jazz musician, Blues musicians are
1:08:59
just, they're a whole different, a whole different level,
1:09:02
especially just sitting there jamming at a bar.
1:09:05
Yeah, there's another city. Night after night has given the
1:09:08
world a sound that doesn't come from anywhere else other than
1:09:12
that particular city, right? Memphis is another one.
1:09:17
All right, so I'm sure Mike's got to get out here, so we'll
1:09:20
wrap this up. If you think number one thing,
1:09:22
you could come back on the show, Mike.
1:09:23
Sorry I missed the first half an hour of it.
1:09:25
Absolutely. Thanks for coming back, you
1:09:26
know. Yeah.
1:09:27
And appreciate you guys yeah, maybe sometime we could talk
1:09:31
about well, so something that's interesting to me is
1:09:35
pharmaceuticals too and like especially with regard to mental
1:09:38
health, you know which I you know, work in the middle
1:09:41
obviously so but yeah, it was it was it was fun coming back We
1:09:46
did just kind of free willed it this time, but.
1:09:49
No, I'll send you. I'll send you a link.
1:09:51
You can, you can. We'll get you back on love.
1:09:53
Yeah. If you want to do a show on
1:09:54
that, we'll do that. That'd be awesome.
1:09:55
Absolutely. You know, we like talking to
1:09:58
you, Mike. You're cool people.
1:09:59
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
1:10:00
Thank you. Same.
1:10:01
Same here. Yeah, I saw you'd just done an
1:10:04
episode on mental health and NFL or something or.
1:10:07
Yeah, so I wanted to listen to that one too.
1:10:10
Yeah, but I haven't had a chance to yet.
1:10:12
Yeah. No, we're good, man.
1:10:13
Yeah. Come on, we'll set you up again.
1:10:14
Can we? Have you come, have you come
1:10:17
back on a couple months to talk about whatever?
1:10:18
Yeah, what I can do like like we can do like 3 hour show or
1:10:20
something like a Rogan style. There you go.
1:10:22
Absolutely. Yeah.
1:10:24
Fridays. Fridays are the best for that.
1:10:26
Yep. When I someday when I don't have
1:10:28
to go to work immediately would be good, but.
1:10:31
There you go. Yeah, so cool.
1:10:32
All right, So again, boys and girls, Chris and Mike show if
1:10:35
you're feeling depressed, suicidal, don't do it.
1:10:38
Go scream in a pillow. Go journal.
1:10:39
Go run, go find somebody to talk to you.
1:10:41
If you can't find somebody to talk to you text 988.
1:10:43
Somebody is there waiting and willing to talk to you off the
1:10:45
Cliff. Tomorrow is a better day with
1:10:47
you in it. Don't leave a hole in somebody
1:10:48
else's heart because you decided that you don't belong here
1:10:51
because you actually do. That being said, I'm Chris, he's
1:10:53
Mike and that's Mike Larose. Find him on on Instagram at
1:10:57
Larose under score fitness, right?
1:10:58
Is that it all? Right there.
1:10:59
You go love you guys, have a great day.
1:11:01
Talk to you soon. Love you too brother.
1:11:03
Thanks for. Coming on, Mike, see you.
1:11:04
All right. Thanks a lot.
1:11:06
Happy New Year. Hey, tell the family I said hi.
1:11:09
All right? Cool.
1:11:11
You too. All right.
1:11:12
Thanks. Take a moment.
1:11:46
Look at you. And see him fight the battle.
1:11:50
That's you for queer. Fight the battle put you for
1:11:55
queer. Who is your baby to your finger?
1:13:19
Come down here, Yeah, We bounce all the exam from fighting.
1:13:27
Wait for the day. Or when it goes around here,
1:13:31
you. Put it away, no creature, we'll
1:13:36
pray and smile and you should you breathe on the almighty day
1:13:42
you got a dream. Who in your life to keep our
1:13:47
soul in every day? Take the trail behind your eyes.
1:13:55
Feel the Soul Revolution now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:14:08
Take a moment. Listen to your fear.
1:14:12
Fight your bail into your mouth. Clear.
1:14:40
You gotta. You gotta.
1:14:42
You gotta. You gotta.
1:14:44
You gotta.