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747 The Greatest Airliner Ever? – The Flyer Show –13th November 2025 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to my own.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_04: Hello and welcome to the Flyer show.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_04: My name is Ian Seeger, I'm MTX, and I'm Scott Bemon.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly so.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_04: You might wonder where Dave is, you might wonder where Annabelle is, and they're basically not here, and Scott's sitting here because we're talking to him later about well, you'll find out what we're talking about later.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_04: It's big, it is big.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um we're also winging it without a rehearsal or anything, so hey, who knows what's gonna happen.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_04: First of all, I think we should say uh thank you very much to Sky Demon for supporting this, and here is your Sky Demon tip.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, I'm Tim from Sky Demon.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to this week's top tip.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: Under the Airfields tab, for every airfield, you'll find approach information.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_03: This contains all the information you're likely to need to make an approach to or take off from an airfield.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: Let's start with a larger airfield like Bournemouth.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: At the top is the current QH and density altitude, and what the wind is doing.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_03: These are taken from the latest METAR issued by the airfield.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: Below those are the frequencies and runways offered by the airfield, and also links for any radio navigation aids and VRPs, which highlight those things on the map when clicked.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: Under the runway information, you'll see the crosswind and head or tailwind components have been worked out.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_03: Let's look at a smaller strip, Watswick.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: We've got the same frequency and runway information.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: Unlike most strips, Watswick doesn't publish a metar, but SkyDeam has obtained the QH from the nearest airfield that does, which is Bristol.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: It has estimated the density altitude at Watswick from Bristol's Metar and is showing the forecast wind.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_03: This will never be as good as an actual windsock or Metar, which is why it's labelled as a forecast, but is helpful for planning purposes.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: For our full user manual, go to skydemon.ero and choose help and support.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_04: So there you go, that's a brand new tip from Tim, and it will certainly help in your approaches, or at least planning your approaches as you're approaching somewhere big or somewhere small.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_05: Talking of planning, should we see what uh Simon's got in terms of uh weather for us for the coming few days?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because hopefully it's a bit better than living in the cloud that we're currently in at Wadswick.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_05: It is rubbish.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_05: And as as Saturday demonstrated to us, we can have a really nice flying day.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_05: We can.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: So we need more of those.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: We can't fly at the moment.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_05: Tiny violin.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, thank you.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Evening all, I hope you're doing well.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, big changes this weekend in the weather.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: We are going to be seeing some colder weather arriving.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: It does lend itself to some better flying for us, both later in the weekend and into next week.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let me show you what's happening.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, time of these charts is shown in the top right hand corner here.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: This again is the icon model uh from the German Weather Service.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's really good actually for picking out the detail of rainfall.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: And what we're looking at here is cloud, which is the white colours.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're looking at rain, which are the colours on here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Effectively, it's forecast radar, and we're looking at the isopars as well.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Remember that the darker colour here shows us there are clear skies, the white here showing us that there is cloud.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: Effectively, it's a simulated satellite picture.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: So this is nine o'clock on Friday morning.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Just look at that rain affecting Wales, affecting much of southern England, heavy rain across southern England.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: We ain't gonna be flying in that.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Some showers already across northern and northeastern Scotland, but generally Scotland, Northern Ireland is looking much better.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: A few showers across northeast England, northwest England fares better, but pretty windy.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Look how close together the ice bars are.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: So those windy conditions are there.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: What we're gonna be finding then through the day is that rain pushing northwards into northern England, affecting most of um central and southern England or Wales into southern Ireland, a few showers across northern and eastern Scotland, but generally a beautiful day here across most of Scotland with lighter east winds.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: Further south, gusting winds up to 35 to 40 knots as the cold air towards the north meets at the warm air from the south.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eventually the colder air wins through.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: Notice the rain getting pushed back southwards as we head in towards Saturday.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: The remnants of the front lines somewhere across the central or northern parts of England and Ireland.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Some periods of rain here, probably getting a little bit better across south-east England for a time, but generally more rain across the southwest.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's really messy with cloud bases, anywhere between a thousand and three thousand feet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tops are going to be anywhere between 10 and 15,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_01: As I say, lots of uncertainty over half on north or south.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: That front is much better in Scotland.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Stunning to Bells here, a few showers in the east, but typical base is 3,000 feet, tops about 12,000 feet at the most.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Now, going through Saturday evening and overnight into Sunday morning, rain eventually clearing away from southern England.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: Remnants of the front is still here, lying through the channel.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: So cross-channel conditions aren't going to be great.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: There could be as well some remnants of rain affecting East Anglia, parts of the eastern Midlands, generally non to marginal there far here.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: But for other areas, actually, look, it looks like being a decent day.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: The further west you are, the better it is.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: But the colder it's going to be as well.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: 4,000 foot bases, probably around 8 to 10,000 feet in the north.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Further south, 2 to 3,000 foot bases, lower in that rain off towards the east, tops at about 12,000 feet.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then notice through the day how we find those few showers still affecting eastern coast.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Another front coming into northern parts of Scotland, but generally overall, not a bad day.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Always more cloud around in the south.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: So Sunday certainly looking the better of the days.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you want to know more about weather, get planning uh the weather five days in advance and spot those weather windows and be able to forecast the weather better as well as building your weather confidence and get yourself along to Aviation Weather School.
• 6:25
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• 6:34
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• 6:39
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• 6:43
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• 6:51
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• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's it, man.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you do, have a great, have a safe, flying weekend.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wrap up all, and I'll see you next week at Life and Hat.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_04: Time for some news after that, weather.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_04: You're up first, aren't you?
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm up first, yeah.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_04: So the big news is, well, I don't know if it's big news, there's yet another CA consultation.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_04: If you haven't got enough consultations in your life, then here's another one for you.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_04: This one's all about the charges for 2026-27.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_04: I know, it's super exciting, isn't it?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_04: The short version of the story is that it's gonna cost, well, so this is a consultation.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_04: So it could cost us all an extra 4.7%, 4.1% for inflation and 0.6% for regulatory simplification investment or something like that.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_04: So the the real thing to do is to go and look at the consultation.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_04: Link will be in the description.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_04: Have a look, make your views known.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_04: There are a couple of things that as with most of these things, there's some good, some bad, and some ugly.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_04: So take a look and have your word.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_05: Is there a takeaway?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_05: Ian, is that is it basically our licenses are gonna get more expensive?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, basically.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think that's it's the CE.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_05: Let's let's be realistic.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_04: Rounding things up, it's gonna cost us all 5% more.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_04: There's a few things like the there was they're trying to sort out some irregularities.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_04: Like the exemption from needing a DA was I think more expensive than actually doing a DA.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_04: So that's a few other bits and pieces like that.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_04: They're trying to simplify.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um I can see why they're trying to do stuff like that.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_04: There's a few anachronisms that have sort of crept in over the years, as as do the CAs want often.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um basically it's gonna be more or less five percent more.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_04: Everything's going up.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's a good thing.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, no big surprise there.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: Um anyway, uh me with some news.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and I've got a statement that I'm gonna need to read.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_05: And this is following the news uh that we started to see appearing online is that Coventry Airport is looks like it's gonna close uh in June next year.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and um it is a real shame.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um and uh we've uh I we've been shared this from a source on the internet, I presume, the statement.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_04: No, the state I I emailed the airport.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_04: Oh okay.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_04: The airport passed it over to the PR firm that's employed by the Rigby Group, and this is the official statement from them.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_04: We'll I'll publish the official statement's quite a bit longer, so we'll put that in the description rather than rather than read the whole document.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_04: A couple of sections from that.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it says I can confirm that Coventry has submitted an application to the Civil Aviation Authority to remove the airspace currently surrounding the airport, together with a formal notification of the intention to cease runway operations on 11th of June 2026.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um and Green Power Park is a joint venture between Coventry City Council and Coventry Airport.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_05: It's a£23 million investment zone.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh funding allocated by the West Midlands combined authorities supports the first phase of development focused on uh 30 MVA megavolts.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um, of new power infrastructures to service future occupiers.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_05: Do we know, Ayn, who's going to be the future occupiers?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I don't think there was at one at one point this was all going to be the big Giga factory.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_04: The Giga Factory, wasn't it?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't think the Giga Factory, the Giga Factory's gone.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_04: I was trying to think of a gogger, but I couldn't think of one fast enough.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_05: The Giga is not a goner.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_04: The Giga is a goner.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think there's a Giga Factory coming.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_04: And I think you know, for a lot of people there, it's a very bitter moment.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_06: A lot of heritage there, isn't it?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_04: Huge amount of things.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of heritage and a lot of people, a lot of active businesses still there.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_05: And I I know someone who runs a a maintenance operation there who's got a bunch of aeroplanes, some of which aren't going to be flyable, aren't going to be flying out anytime soon.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: So no, it's it's it's a bitter thing, and it's also a bitter thing because there's uh there's you know a large amount of public money that's gone into the into the project um for a initially for a gigafactory that is not going to be a gigafactory.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_04: So there's a lot more to say about that.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_04: We'll we'll keep you updated on that, but it does you know it I think I don't think there's any chance of it remaining open beyond June 11th next year.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_05: As we always say, it's e really easy to lose an airfield and almost impossible to add one.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_05: So anytime we lose one.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um right, last piece of news, because there's not a huge amount of news around.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's pretty quiet at the moment, um, is that we're recruiting.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_04: So if you fancy coming to work for us, um, we're looking for a salesperson who can sell um partnerships and all sorts of stuff along our media and also who can sell stands for our pilot careers live exhibition.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_04: So if you think you can fit that bill, you will need media sales or event sales experience.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, let us know.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_04: And the other person we're looking for is a part-time role for someone to look after logistics for our events.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: They take place in in London, they take place in Manchester, in Dublin, in Frankfurt, in Madrid, in Rome.
• 11:50
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• 11:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so drop me a line, is at sega.ero.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_04: Come along, join the fun.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_04: Come along and join the fun.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: It is fun, lots and lots of fun.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: We all look really happy there, don't we?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_04: Look happy people, look happy people.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: Honest.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: Right, what else have we got?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_04: As you can see, we are joined not by Dave Corderwood, not by Annabelle Cook, but by Scott Bateman.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: Scott, thank you very much.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: We've had you on before.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_04: Henry over there behind the camera, we'll put a link uh on a little covered thing as to when you were on last.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: This time we're talking about another book coming from your penned by you.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_04: Don't make it sound so bad.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yes.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's brilliant.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_04: Let me work out.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: This is awesome.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: We've got this we are so no brilliant, no, we are genuinely lucky to have you here and genuinely excited about your book.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_04: I love coming here.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's just my it's literally in my back garden on the so it's really for me.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_06: I would travel further.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I would.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: I would.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um thanks for having me on.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's a it's a pleasure.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: So tell us about this book.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_04: I know we've been talking about it beforehand, so I'm actually quite excited about it, but but maybe you don't know about it.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_06: Well, as you know, in the Air Force I flew Hercules, wrote a book about Hercules, and when I left the Air Force, I went and joined a big airline, and I was very fortunate enough to fly the Queen of the Skies, the Boeing 747, the Jumbo Jet, an iconic aircraft.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_06: I would say the most recognizable and iconic aircraft ever.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so I did that for 12 years, and with the jumbo coming to an end of an era really, sort of COVID pushed it out of commercial service with most operators.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, and the very final one was delivered from Boeing.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_06: I thought, why don't I write a book about Jumbo?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_06: And I approached Boeing and said, How would you like to collaborate on the book?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_06: And they said, We'd love to.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_06: So the book was co-written with Mike Lombardi, um, who has assisted in all the sort of the historic bits in the book, and he's written the afterward, which was fantastic.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_06: And Boeing's former CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes has written the forward as well.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_06: So it's a true collaboration with Boeing, the book.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_06: And the last one, collaboration they will do for the 747 because they've sunseted the product now.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's a legacy.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_06: It's a legacy product, isn't it?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's a legacy product now.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_06: So they've done a lot of.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no, they will not do it.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_06: So they've they've had enough of it now.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_06: So they're moving on to new products that we talk a little bit about in the book as well.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_04: So what is it kind of like an encyclopedia about everything you ever wanted to know about the 747, or is it what's the theme of the book?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_06: So the theme of the book, uh, you know, we were talking earlier, weren't we, about the Joe Sutter story.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_06: He wrote this amazing book called 747.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and it was all about the Incredibles, the the way the jumbo was built and how it came about, one trip and these amazing stories.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_06: Now, we can't write a book about the jumbo and not touch on that, but we only touch on that a little bit because this book is about how did that airplane change the world?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_06: And every chapter there is a takeaway of how the airplane changed the world, and it really did, and you'll be amazed at some of the things that the jumbo has facilitated over the years or has changed in aviation.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_06: Um, really, really amazing stories.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_06: Got a couple of examples?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, so you can give away.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, so Ed's favourite jumbo, the SP.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_06: I love the SP because it's like jumbo, but tiny.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_06: It's a tiny jumbo with a huge tail.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so the tail on it, because it's not got that turning moment, the tail has to be much, much bigger than all the other jumbos.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_06: So it's about 30% bigger, the tail on an SP.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, because with four engines, you still need to keep the rudder to have the same turning moment.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_06: You make the plane smaller, you've got to make the rudder bigger.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_06: So the rudder is huge, okay, or the tail fin is huge on that.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_06: But the SP that probably everybody knows about, but doesn't actually know that it's a Boeing 747 SP is Sophia, which was NASA's aeroplane.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_06: And that was a platform for a telescope, wasn't it?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_06: It was a radio telescope, yeah.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_06: So uh it was the the purpose of it was to go up to 45,000 feet, get out of the muck that we produce here on Earth, get to clear skies, and use this radio telescope to look out onto other planets.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_05: And they and this wasn't just staring out through a window, was it?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_05: They put a really big door that opens on the rear of the 747.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, this is amazing.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_06: So actually the rear of the airplane wasn't pressurized at all because if you pressurized it and had this amazing 24 feet wide mirror, um, if you had it pressurized, then cooled it down.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_06: It's 45,000 feet, you get condensation on the mirror.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_06: So actually the rear of the airplane wasn't pressurized at all.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_06: So the rear of the airplane had this huge door on the side of it, a bit like a rear, you know, bit like a normal telescope observatory, you know, one of those big doors that goes out on the telescope.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_06: They had one of those on the side of this purpose built, yeah, and they looked out to the planets.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_06: And the reason that this SP changed the world was it found water on the moon.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_06: And the current Artemis program, our return to the moon, yeah, um, is fueled, if that's the word you would use, by the fact that we have water on the moon that we can separate into hydrogen for fuel and oxygen to breathe.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_06: So Artemis is going to be.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_06: It's better be right, hasn't it?
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_06: Otherwise, we're gonna have to come back.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so the the the You're gonna have to change your book.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_06: The Artemis program is all about, you know, we're going to the moon to stay.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, uh uh this time, and that has all been facilitated by a jumbo jet.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_06: That's amazing.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_06: So, yeah, that's one great story.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_06: Another one which every time we fly, this one we see is um uh the Tenerife disaster, one of the the you know, pre-9-11, one of the largest uh aviation disasters ever when the two 747s collided onto the runway.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, the KLM aircraft collided into the um uh the clipper, the Pan Am aircraft.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_06: Um, very fortunate to have spoken to the parser off of the Pan Am aircraft, Dorothy, um, who tells uh her story of what happened on that day.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_06: Um and one of the things that sticks in my head from her description was she was sitting having a coffee as they were taxiing down the runway, um, back taxiing down the runway.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_06: Little did they know the KLM aircraft was on the takeoff roll coming the other way.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_06: And she felt the airplane slew off to the side, which was the pilots realizing and they went to put the airplane on the grass actually.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_06: Um, as she that happened, she thought, oh, spilled her coffee.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_06: She looked up and she saw the gear, the main gear of the KLM 747 go through the first class cabin in front of her.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_06: So she describes that, and then she fell through the floor into the baggage hold.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_06: So to have that kind of first hand experience, you know, imparted to you is a hugely powerful story.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_06: I I can't tell you how emotional it was, even for me listening to her saying that and getting goosebumps now.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_06: Um but the change that that made, that accident to aviation, the the largest change was actually the safety card.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_06: Um, because prior to this, safety cards were done in normally written out perhaps a few pictures.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_06: But the modern safety card as we know it now is pictograms.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: So it doesn't matter what language so that card in the back of the seat that everyone tends to ignore.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_06: Completely ignore, uh unless you're me and you pull out and you go, No, I know why this is all pictures.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_06: Um you can't do now.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and we talk about uh the safety briefing, and a lot of people say, Oh no, the another comedy safety briefing, another safety briefing from an airline that's got you know rugby players in it.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_06: Why do they do that?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_06: Why do they not just do it?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_06: Well, actually, there's a reason behind that.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_06: So the safety briefing, actually, if it has humour in it or it's more engaging, makes you laugh, you're about 40% more likely to remember the stuff it's in the safety briefing.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_06: If it's that, if it was just a you know, here's the oxygen thing, it'll come down and put it on your face.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_06: You're just going to ignore it.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_06: If it's got a bit of levity to it and a bit of fun, actually you're more likely to remember it.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_06: Um but the safety card having pictograms on it, the modern safety card, is because it doesn't matter what language you speak, you can you can look at the picture and understand what to do.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_05: And that had been an issue in the Tenerife accident, hadn't it?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_05: It had, yeah.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_06: So people couldn't open the doors.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_06: So the uh horrible story that that was imparted by Dorothy was that actually most people survived the impact with the KLM but could not get out of the airplane because they couldn't figure out how to open the doors in the darkness.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_05: There just been a like a language issue in terms of understanding.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_06: Language, the crew were in cap some of the crew were incapacitated.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_06: Obviously, Dorothy fell through the floor, so couldn't open her door.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_06: Um and what subsequently happened was there was a a small fire inside the aircraft.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and Dorothy describes quite emotionally that there was a lot of screaming, and over a period of about 10 minutes the screaming stopped, um, which was very powerful.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_06: And and a lot of the people who didn't get out were because they hadn't been able to either comprehend the safety card, it's what what the one of the outcomes was they thought.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_06: Um because they were foreign nationals, not necessarily from the US.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: I must admit, one of the things I do when I I board is always look so always try and get a safety route if I can.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um an exit route, I should say.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh you know, I look to it.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: How am I gonna open that door?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: Whichever seat I'm in, okay, I'll find a way of getting to that and then opening it.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_06: I'm a little bit obsessive about it, so I I will not take my shoes off.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_06: Um Which is a big thing.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: People get in the airplane, take their shoes off, won't take won't take my shoes off until we're safely airborne.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_06: And I also carry a little pouch.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_06: Um, uh, some people would call it a bum bag.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know if that's uh uh PC now, but I carry a little pouch with my passport in it, okay, my telephone, and a couple of other little bits, car keys as well in there.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_06: Stuff that I think, well, actually, I can leave everything else.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_06: I don't care.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_06: I'll leave my luggage in the overhead.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_06: As long as I've got this, I'll be able to survive for the next, you know, day or so.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_06: Um so that if we do have an issue, I've got that and I'm getting out.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and I'll actually count the rows to the nearest door.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_06: I know that's a little bit obsessive, but but but I but I do having read this book and having read listened to Dorothy particularly imparting her story, um, you know, phenomenal um the stuff that she realized afterwards that she kind of thought, well, actually we can do this better.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_06: And she became an advocate for aviation safety and a huge advocate for what were then seen to be stewardesses, as they called them back then.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, they were there to serve food, not for your safety.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_06: And actually, she she flipped that on its head and said, actually, no, you know, we saved a lot of lives on that particular day.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_06: And she said, you know, we're not there just to have polite conversation and serve food.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_06: Great story.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_06: So that's a couple of ways it changed the world here.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: And I think so.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think I'm right in saying it's still the fastest airliner in service.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_06: So it holds a few world records, actually, the jumbo.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_06: So it is in service, it is the longest commercial airliner still.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_06: Um, it will shortly be beaten when Boeing gets the 777 X in service because it's a little bit longer, but it's not currently in service.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_06: Um and it is the fastest.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_06: So the fastest I've ever gone in an aeroplane is in a jumbo jet.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_06: Uh growing speed of 712 switch.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_05: Why why is it so fast?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so it burns a load of gas.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_06: It does burn a load of gas.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_06: But the the the the way it was designed optimally to fly at uh 0.855 mach.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_06: Um, it has a 37 and a half degree wing sweep.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_06: So if you look at modern airliners, they don't have that huge wing sweep, which is optimized for fast flying.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_06: Um, which gives gives you a problem because if you're optimized for fast flying, how do you land at short airfields?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_06: Um, well, this is where the jumbo had another amazing technical thing.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_06: It had something called triple slotted flaps, which were only ever on the 747, which allowed it to basically re-energize the air over the flaps three times, um, which allowed it to go very slow.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, hugely slow, back to, you know, about 250 tons, it could be landing at 130 knots, um, you know, which is amazing for an airplane of that size, which meant the landing and role for that airplane was much, much shorter.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I've landed on runways less than two and a half thousand meters, um, which for an airplane that size, yeah, you look out the window and you go, There's no way we're gonna stop on that, and it stops halfway down, you know, no problem at all.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: That must but that must pose the problem the other way around when you're departing from the short runways.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_06: There must be some limits in terms of it is especially if you're looking at the airplane being, you know, 400 tons.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, some of the freighters can go up to a million pounds, they'll lift off the ground.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_06: Um, because the freighter is slightly differently engineered, has different gear and stuff.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so it can lift a little bit more.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but it it's still quite a very capable airplane because it pushes out a lot of thrust.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_06: So it accelerates very, very quickly.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_06: Um, with those four engines, you know, whether it be Rolls-Royce uh as were on a lot of the early ones, uh, or Pratt and Whitney on the very, very early ones, uh, to the Gen X engines now, which are amazing, you know.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_04: So was your your experience, your 12 years on the on the 7.4.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_04: I presume you flew a a couple of the versions over those 12 years.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_06: So I've only ever flown the Boeing 747400 version.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_06: So the 20.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_06: I'm too young for the 200.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_06: I'm too young for the 200.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_06: However, too old for the 800.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_06: However, you will find that I have flown in a 200 very recently, a very special 200.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_06: Um, yeah, which is Air Force One.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_06: So I've flown in Air Force One.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so as part of the book, um, we we talk about that.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I did a show for How did you get that's presumably organized by Boeing because you can't just go, um hello?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: Have you looked on the internet?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: I can't find a ticket.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah well it was it was it was actually not far off that.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_06: Um so it was some years ago now, it was when uh President Trump was actually in previously when he first term, 45.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_06: Um uh very famously he cancelled the Boeing order for the new airplanes, then he decided he was going to buy some 7478 eyes out of the desert, um, which he did.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and there's a huge bit in the book about this, but I've also done a TV show called Air Force One the Flying Fortress, which is on Disney Plus, um, which tells the story of the building of the new Air Force One aircraft.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, there's been some recent controversy over those, um, and I don't think that'll go away, but they'll be delivered soon.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_06: And uh, as part of that show, I was very fortunate to fly a couple of times on Air Force One, and indeed for the show we interviewed President Trump airborne on the aircraft.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_05: What's it like putting Trump aside, what's it like to fly on Air Force One?
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_05: Is it I um is it like a regular operation or is it just uh I I cannot describe it to you.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_06: There is a a group of individuals, the presidential airlift group, who are uh they described it as having their favorite classic car and treating it better.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_06: And uh so the airplane is is pretty old now, it's over 30 years old.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um they were the last 200s to be delivered, um, and they're a bit of a hybrid.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_06: They've got they're a 200 airframe, they've got 400 freighter gear, it's got the 300 wing and the 400 engines.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: So I believe it's got a 200 cockpit, sure.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it does have a 200 cockpit.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_06: So there are some extra bits that they've added to the cockpit.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_06: So there are two pilots and a flight engineer, so it's a standard 200 cockpit.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah um there is a navigator station who sits sort of across from where the flight engineer is, um, and that has some military gizmos and bits back there that he operates uh for the, I think the phrase is for the protection of the president and all on board.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_06: Um and he obviously GPS wasn't a thing when they started, so that also has a GPS terminal there, which I like.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_04: They're flying the whole thing on raw data, that'd be like they do.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_06: Uh one of the one of the changes they've made is to have GPS, and they've actually got a very small, um, uh almost like a G5, Garmin 5.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_06: It's a big one of those like Garmin type baby GPS 3s.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_06: It's actually not far off that.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_06: And that's why they want to move to the 7478i switch they've bought, which actually were uh used airplanes, were in the desert.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, and I went out to the middle of the desert in the middle of the night to uh be met by some government people.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_06: It was like something out of the X-Files.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_06: They were just in black.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_06: It was like something out of the X-Files, and and we got taken out to see these aircraft uh being handed over to the Air Force actually from Boeing on that day.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_06: And I was the first person to step across the threshold after it had been signed over to the Air Force and became the new VC25B aircraft.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I was the first person to step over the threshold, which was a uh a huge honour for me.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_04: Is that your is that going to become your claim to fame in history?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: I was the first or there are other I I hope I hope that's not my claim to fame in.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_06: I really don't.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_06: But but it was an amazing opportunity to get on those aircraft um before they were delivered and and and were militarized.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um uh lovely, lovely airplanes.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_06: And surprisingly, because they were used, yeah.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_06: Um good deal on them.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_06: He got an he got a really good deal, and uh, you know, he was very open about the deal he got, and he did get an amazing deal.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_06: But you could have made a video for like bangers in cash or whatever it is.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_06: The thing that always makes me laugh was though who do you think owned them before?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_06: So they were they were ordered for Tran Zero, the Russian airline.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_06: Um and when we got on the aircraft, some of the signage was still in Cyrillic.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_06: So actually, you know, it was a it was a Russian aircraft for a Russian airline that is was about to be transformed into the new Air Force One.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um very poignant um now, but uh they've stripped everything out of it, I can assure you.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, you know, it goes back to bare metal and then they rebuild it.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_06: But yeah, and uh what goes into it, and we talk about it a lot in the book, what goes into that transformation is just phenomenal.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_06: You know, something like a million miles of wiring.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: So so your over overwhelming impression of of Air Force One, is it one of luxury?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_04: Is it one of history?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_06: Is it it's hugely historic.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, and the team are very proud of how historic it is, you know.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_06: And uh, you know, uh President Bush was actually the person to take delivery of these jumbos, um uh senior, Bush Senior.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_06: And actually uh uh President Trump during his term allowed uh President Bush Senior to have his final ride to Washington in the aeroplane that he took delivery of.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_06: Um and that was a really poignant moment talking to the crew about that and having him on board for the last time.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: So the crew doesn't change with each president, is it?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_06: Uh no, so the pilot changes, yeah.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_06: Uh so the presidential pilot changes uh with each president.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_06: Um President Trump had a pilot first time around.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_06: Uh that colonel was uh from an immigrant family, uh, which might surprise some people.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but actually it does change.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_06: Uh so there are two lieutenant colonels who are the deputies, and uh yeah, they all step up and it normally changes.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_06: Um and it it's actually because a four-year term is about a four-year tour.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_06: So actually it's it's about the right time for people to move on, and it's seen as you know, a post which actually make makes or breaks you, really.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_06: And if it makes you, you're probably gonna hit the higher command.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_06: And if it breaks you, you're gonna retire and write a book about it.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_06: But I think you know, to to go back to you, is it luxurious?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_06: Obviously, it's luxurious.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_06: It really is.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_06: And there are some stories we tell about the luxury items and the care it's taken in the airplane.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, you would be uh aghast.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_06: You know, every time it comes back, it is hand polished.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_06: This is a jumbo jet.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_06: It is hand polished.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_06: Every piece of the outside is hand polished by someone on the team.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_06: Um so you know, that's yeah.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't heaven it.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_05: I I love polishing.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_05: And and I that's that Air Force One livery, uh, which I the the current Air Force One livery, which was designed by Raymond Lowy for the the 707, which lives on in that airplane.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_05: I we've all seen the designs for kind of how the current administration thinks that jumbo might look.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_06: And you go, it would be such a shame if it doesn't look like because I think that one look with all the polished metal and everything is just so so there are some issues with the polished metal on the new airplane because the new airplane there's a lot of carbon fiber, so it's not actually metal.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_06: So uh that is one of the reasons that changing it might it has kind of come up um because the polished metal it won't it's not metal, it's carbon fiber in those areas, particularly around the wing routes on the the new jumbo.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm guessing raw raw carbon is is more a more a a car moders thing, isn't it?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_05: Not a presidential thing.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_06: No, not really.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_06: And uh but the it'd be gold, presumably.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_06: It probably probably might be, but it it you know the the colour of the Raymond Louis design was actually originally red, white, and blue.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_06: And they dropped the red in the design, then went with the baby blue and white in the silver polish.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but in the new airplane, they've gone back to that red, white, and blue.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but actually it's not the same red, white, and blue.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_06: It's the red, white, and blue of the flag, which Raymond Louis didn't have.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you know, Jacqueline Kennedy wanted that powder, powder blue, which was which was has become iconic and is on the rest of the fleet.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_06: But the thing that made me laugh, and uh in you know, we talk about luxury.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_06: The only thing that I really didn't think was luxury was the bathroom.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_06: So the presidential bathroom.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, the presidential bathroom is is from the 1970s.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: Was it an avocado suite?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_06: It's actually peach.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_06: It is actually peach, it's a peach suite.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, uh and and actually it hasn't changed, and it's very clean, I can assure you, but it's still peach.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_05: And there's been uh there's been some very luxurious 747 business jets as well.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_06: Did you come across any of those in the course of um so the Qatari one, we did look at the Qatari one, yeah.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_06: Um, it's very opulent, it's a bit goady in my view.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_06: Um, whereas I would say the 747 is more of a classic.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, and the new 747, with that extra space they have, they have about 35-36% extra floor space.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it gives them the opportunity to do a lot of upgrades that actually the current airplane really does need.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um, more communication space, you know, because a lot of the communications that they had, they they couldn't have even envisaged an iPad when that airplane was was designed, and now everybody on the airplane.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_06: No USB C sockets.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, everybody on the airplane wants wants connectivity, wants all these things that actually they just didn't have space for.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and you know, there are three usable decks on these airplanes.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_06: You know, the the the there is no cargo deck, right?
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_06: It's a usable deck underneath there.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_06: And people always ask, does it have an escape pod?
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_06: The answer is no, it doesn't.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_06: And I can guarantee that I've walked the bottom of the aeroplane from front to back, it does not have a skate, an escape pod.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it has two really big fridges down there and some other stuff, but it doesn't because it carries its own food, which is so if it even if it goes away for two weeks, they carry food from the US, which would be Souved, is the how they do it.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_06: So it's part of Mickey D's on board.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_06: There is, in fact, I I it's a long story, so I'm sure it's no secret.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_06: President Trump is a is a big fan of the Big Mac.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and actually they do have Big Macs on board.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_05: Who knew?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_05: I know, Gotti.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_05: So overall, I mean obviously you've you've flown the airplane a lot in service.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_05: What endears it to you?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_06: You know what?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_06: It's the only aeroplane that I think most people will recognise.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and and it's an icon in that.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_06: And I think uh Willie Walsh, I spoke to Willie Walsh about the jumbo jet.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_06: Obviously, he was very heavily involved in an airline and and now is prisoner via um who had a lot of jumbo jets.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_06: And like him, I'm of the mind that when I walk past an airport, an airplane's an airplane, but if a jumbo jet's taking off, I'll stop and watch it.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and and I have no idea why, yeah, um, but I really have an affinity to this piece of metal, and I the Hercules never had that, you know.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_06: And as you know, I've written a book about that as well, but I never had felt that affinity to that.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_06: But this airplane, I felt like this weird affinity to, and it's just bizarre.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_06: You're having a relationship with an inanimate piece of metal.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_06: But actually, when they were retired from service, I was really sad.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_04: Sad, yeah.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_04: And have you bought have you bought a part of it for oh I have lots of parts from lots of parts of Darren Aerotype?
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_06: Oh but I have, and thanks, Darren, and uh and he did give me mates rates, so I it's give me mates.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, you did, yeah, yeah.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_04: So very good mates, right?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_06: But he um uh I have a engine blade um off the front of the fan, which is amazing.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_06: And I've got a three-window piece of an airplane that I flew, and so you know, it it's nice to have that contact still with them, but could you imagine people saying, Oh, I want a window off of an A320?
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_06: You know, you don't get that.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_06: You know, Darren is a prime example, and we talk about Darren in the book, is that you know, people were coming to him and saying, you know, we got went on our honeymoon on that plane, we did this, we sat at this seat, it's influenced so many people's lives.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_06: You know, this airplane is carried, I think, seven billion people across its life.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_06: So, you know, it's influenced so many people that they have this weird affinity to this airplane that all the others just look kind of the same.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_06: Um, now they do a bit, don't they?
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, whereas this was the last of the real icons, you know.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_06: I'd say even more so, and I'm gonna people are gonna really hate me for saying this, but I actually think more so than Concord.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_06: Um yeah, I know sorry, yeah.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_06: People but people are gonna hate me for saying that.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: But I think in the comments, yeah, yeah.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I I think Concorde had a very limited life.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um the jumbo has had, you know, longevity, you know, five decades plus, and we'll probably go into six or seven decades now with the freighters.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_06: Um it's endured and it's been a huge commercial success.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_06: And although Concorde went really fast, it didn't have that level of success or change the world in such a meaningful way that the 747 did.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_06: And that's why I feel a huge affinity to it.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_04: So would you say that the 747 is the airplane that's changed the world more than any other airplane?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_06: I put it in the top two, perhaps.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, if you were going to ask me which I put in the top one, and it would be a flip between the jumbo and the DC three.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_06: Because I think the DC three uh changed changed aviation in so many ways as well.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and you know, very similarly to the jumbo dead.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I think the jumbo touched far more people, and it changed, you know, it democratized travel for so many and allowed so many people that you know, travel was expensive.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_06: When you were flying on 707s, travel was really expensive, but then you've got the same operating costs and three times as many people, then it becomes really cheap, and that democratizes travel for so many.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and I think the DC3 didn't quite have that, but it did it in other ways as well.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_06: So for me, that would be the my top two.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_06: Cool.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_06: So when's this book out?
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_06: It's out in February, but you can pre-order it now on Amazon, and it's out in February because we wanted to commemorate the first flight anniversary in February, so it's released in the week of the first flight anniversary in February.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, and it's called Jumbo.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_04: The aircraft that changed the world or no, just jumbo.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_06: Just jumbo, yeah, uh available to pre-order on Amazon and or any good book store like Borges.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_06: We're gonna pre-order it today.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_05: We'll and we will put a link in the video description as well, won't we?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_05: We will, absolutely.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_05: There's gonna be lots of work on the video description, but there will be.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_05: I think so.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_05: So, so so 747, greatest airliner in the world, period.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_06: I'd say greatest air aircraft in the world, possibly.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_06: Possibly, yeah.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_06: There will be, I I think there will you have to go really hard to beat it.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_06: And and I even, you know, people will say, Spitfire, Concord, all these kind of things.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_06: Well, show me how that changed the world.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_06: It it didn't really.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_06: This airplane literally changed the world.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_06: There are 24 chapters that explain how it changed the world and affected all of our lives in some way, I would suggest.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that sounds like I can't wait till February.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_05: I can't know.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna pre-order.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_04: I think I would have wished myself to the other side of Christmas already.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_05: But it'll be here before you know it, Scotty.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for having me.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_06: Really enjoyed it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_04: Brilliant, thank you.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_05: Look forward to that.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_05: Club news.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_05: Club news.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_04: Club news, right?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_04: Can anyone remember the landing?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, I can tell you, because I have notes.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_05: Uh your free landings for November are Wolverhampton Habene Green, uh, Eschot, Dunkerswell, and Easter.
• 43:23
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• 43:38
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• 43:38
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• 43:47
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• 43:48
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• 43:51
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• 43:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's not just the landing fees, it's webinars and a whole bunch of other stuff.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: thing which is what caught your eye what caught your eye and I'm excited because uh we get to we get sc we get to bring Scott caught your eye yeah get to bring Scott into what caught your eye as well so but we're gonna start with you yeah I think I think today we've got a less less traditional what caught your eye because normally it'll be about an airplane or something like that but but um what caught my eye in aviation over the last week or so I've had a bit of enforced enforced enforced rest due to my broken ankle um and so I've had a lot of time to search the corners of the internet but I didn't need to search for this it came at me in waves and that is that's just the sheer ridiculous bonkers amount of AI that has flooded into all sorts of aviation groups everywhere on all of the social media channels.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's just completely awful.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: If if you know something about aviation you can pick out most of it straight away but it is getting better.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_04: If you know nothing about aviation you could well be forward there was a tragedy uh recently where someone lost their life flying a Europa and there was an AI story generated on that that had a picture of some just weird airplane in the middle of nowhere.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_05: It was like what why it's just it's like connecting connecting actual facts with weird AI generated photos.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah it's as if someone's got an AI agent which is probably what they've done and said just get that engagement and we can later on sell them something there there was there's just all sorts of complete rubbish.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: There's a question to go is a transponder a good no not is a transp it was like what does a transponder do in an airplane?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: And you go well this is a this is a question that would never feature on an airplane owner's group it was like hang on a second there's just some really it wasn't like a technical question.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: It was a dumb question.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_04: There was just I know we say there are no dumb questions, but there are AI questions and some of the AI questions are dumb.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_05: And I I you're right I've seen this I've I'm in quite a few Facebook groups for various different airplanes and all of a sudden there's there's and it's been quite noticeable.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_05: And it's it's just wrapped up in the last month or two.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_05: And it's I I was on a on a VANS group and it said um do you prefer the the the R V 10 or the R V twelve?
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_05: And it had AI it was like a well it wasn't a a four a four year old would have drawn better picture of a four year old drawing wasn't it almost yeah it was completely rubbish and I mean I'm people but if you're an expert or if you at least know your stuff you'll you can quickly go this is nonsense.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely but people don't and people click on it and that means it generates revenue for the people who've put it up so it's all about clickbait revenue.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_05: And it makes me I you know are we getting into this cycle now where you get rubbish generated AI things and then some other AI down the line will go, I need to know about an R V twelve and that was an R V12.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_04: To a certain extent a lot of the large language model stuff just consumes itself.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah and it will the increasing amount of material will be consumed and consumed again.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_05: You know what they what this all means though is that real people like you will become gold standard experts.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_05: Unemployed I mean Yeah I don't think I'll ever become a gold standard expert.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_05: No but there may be bronze yeah there is a there yeah the world is the the world of information is going a bit mad.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_05: Let's let's nip just Scott now.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_06: What caught your eye well obviously Turkish tragedy C-130 uh crash caught my eye um yeah as an XC-130 yeah as an XC 130 pilot having written a book about it as well and having flown it in the Air Force um sadly accidents happened don't want to speculate on the cause of this one but I think it's fairly obvious from the fact that the front and the back of the airplane fell off something catastrophic happened whilst they were in the climb out what sort of what can cause that this is not we were not talking about third party enemy action are we here it's not it wasn't well I I don't want to I don't want to rule that out.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_06: I think we'd be foolish to rule all of that out um because they are in close proximity to where there is a ground war going on at the moment.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_06: True um I think if I'm being honest that's probably unlikely but I think you would anybody would be foolish to rule out anything at the moment or to speculate on what happened other than just the facts that we saw in that horrific video of the wing box and and the wing it's it's like the whole it's the centre fuselage and the whole wing isn't it and the cells sp spiraling down the you know with fuel coming out of the fuel masts the dump masts and that's out of the tips isn't it out of the tips yeah um and it looks like you know it's got smoke on but actually it's the fuel coming out of the dump masts.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_06: But the you know the and you could see the forward part of the fuselage fell to the right and and the tail going off to the left.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_06: Just horrendous caught my eye 20 people sadly lost their lives there which is uh horrendous but an old e model you know so it's quite an old airplane um you know so it's probably from the the the 60s late 60s early 70s uh that model of airplanes so it's not a very modern J model um so it's uh what they would call a legacy class model because the J model was the last model we'd service it was yeah it was yeah so this is what they call the classic Herc with the big four paddle uh yeah propellers rather than the uh carbon fiber propellers yeah did you fly in your time did you fly no I thought I flew flew the classic no I flew so I am that old actually I flew the classic um but you know that the airplane actually the the same model that this accident was with um tragic uh it really caught my eye and it's one of those things where you know everyone is a an aviation accident investigation expert now online and there's a million theories about what happened but there have been some similar accidents with a similar outcome which people are quite rightly giving comparisons to but again that's dangerous jumping to a conclusion and I'd rather not do that.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah and I guess when you see something happening that happens to an airplane that you've got time in it is it does stop you in a track sometimes it does you know it's a the the C 130 family is a is a huge family.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_06: I mean I I talked last year at the Hercules Operators Conference and you know it doesn't matter what badge you wear on your flying suit you all fly the same airplane and you have that affinity to people who've fly the same airplane and you know I feel that affinity with yeah that crew you know it's really sad really sad really caught my eye quite striking video actually which is really unusual to see that kind of thing.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah yeah see what uh see what the investigation turns up on that.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah after my mooning Scott's tragedy yes and after what have what have you got and after Scott talking about jumbo stuff I found something very very small uh and this was because micro stuff well no not quite micro stuff but this was because YouTube served me up a video and it was from 1990 and it had no Edmonds and it was Noel Edmonds fronting up the BBC coverage of Farmborough International Airshow as we say you know this has to be aviation are we going to get Mr.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_04: Blobby No it's not Mr.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_05: Bobby no it's far far better than that far far far better even than Noel's facial hair which is quite spectacular um but um but basically you remember the time when you know people like Noel and Gordon and uh Gordon Baxter not uh Raymond Baxter Baxter Raymond Baxter I thought Gordon Baxter would have been a good presenter for when the BBC used to have TV shows about big aviation events.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_05: And anyway the 1990 coverage by of by the BBC of Farmborough had a whole bunch of aeroplanes but it had a brilliant GA product from the UK and this was the tiny Chichester Miles Leopard.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_05: Do you remember that?
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_05: I do it took the one that took like three miles to get airborne.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_05: Well it had tiny turbines um but basically and this is a this is a forgotten GA British GA gem and the the the leopard was a tiny uh but brilliant looking thing I had a poster of it well it's a poster I had a picture of it I found I was a 14 year old boy and rather than a Lamborghini cornetus I had the Chichester Miles leopard.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_05: You and I had very different posters on our wall a lot of people find that my childhood is very different to most other childhoods.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah so the leopard four seats real I know I you definitely use the word sexy to describe this.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_05: It was a bit angular it was it was very angular but angular in an exciting way kind of like a Thunderbird seven or something a bit ahead of its time wasn't it looked a bit ahead of its time it looked brilliant um so four seats under a under a a hinge canopy it had a really thin swept wing it didn't have only elevons is so um so tailplane all moving tailplane worked to be elevators and elerons um and it was tiny it was frightening it was just over six feet tall to the top of the fin wingspan of 23 feet um at the time Chichester Miles said this is your ultimate personal jet it was powered by some tiny turbines NPT301s uh which were about I think there were two used on scale models probably well they were they were literally like you could sit here and hold on they were literally small uh around about 250 pounds of thrust uh seemed like a brilliant idea prototype first flew in 1988 uh and uh I think one of its recent yeah I guess not that we're gonna be 1988's a long time ago um and it was all going kind of okay then and and uh uh NPT which was an old penny turbines they went bankrupt so Chichester Marth had to find another solution then they eventually partnered with Williams who were getting into the game with tiny turbines as well uh and Williams came up with the FJX one turbofan so they made another leopard um which and the FJX was f over 500 it was 540 pounds of thrust so all of a sudden this airplane has gone from kind of barely 500 pounds of thrust to a thousand pounds of thrust uh and that's a big leap and this thing had a pressurized cabin second prototype uh uh appeared at Farmberg in 96 um but it had bonkers performance uh maximum speed 470 knots uh range 1500 nautical miles service ceiling 55,000 feet good lord well so whether these are numbers from the internet these are I I don't think with the three of us it would be getting up to 5500 feet.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_05: Numbers from the marketing branch yeah yeah I think I would feel quite nervous in in something that small at 55000 feet.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_05: I'd feel exposed.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_05: We'd never get there.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_05: We'd never get there rate of climb 6,340 6,340 feet a minute.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_05: With all these amazing numbers yes was it a success.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_05: Huge commercial success of well sadly as with many things in the British general aviation world it was not a success you'll be surprised to hear and um even though Chichester Mars planned that they went oh we'll have a six seat leopard with bigger turbofans um unfortunately Williams did a deal with Eclipse and the tiny turbofan on the four seat one that was locked to go to the eclipse only um and then unfortunately uh Chichester Mars's chairman who was a guy called Ian Chichester Mars he died in 2009 and the project just died with him.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_04: I can remember I I can't remember where I was I saw one take off maybe it was at Farmborough or something.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_04: Wow yeah I and I just remember it sort of going down the runway and thinking anytime you want anytime the exciting it's disappeared now but not upwards downward and it did sort of climb away but it was Yeah I know so the exciting thing is the two prototypes still exist.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_05: So you can yeah so you can go and see they're in two different locations you can go and see one the original prototypes at the Bournemouth aircraft museum uh and then the Midland Air Museum at Coventry has the second prototype so I'm I'm feeling like yeah that might not be there someone might need to move well yeah I'm hoping well there's there's probably a reason then to go I I think I'm feeling a road trip coming on to go and see you've got an airplane you've got three airplanes well that's true I yeah the rummy's gonna be shut soon so you're gonna have to get in there so not till June the 11th no okay so maybe there's a maybe there's a flying trip to go and see uh the Chichester Miles leopard but yes to a to a 14 year old boy with questionable you know with a you know with not not questionable social life yes questionable posters with questionable posters and so social social skills yeah this was exciting but yeah that's that caught my eye can you remember how much it costs I don't I and in classic you know I don't think anything I I don't think there was ever a number talked about but I'm guessing I know at the time um also in the the the Farmborough video TBM had just launched the TBM 700 how much was the TBM 700 when it was launched?
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna go for 400 900 700,000 pounds at the time.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_05: So not bad yeah so so I'm guessing it would have been they're over four now I think four hundred thousand no no no yeah yeah so I'm guessing the SR22T is a I think that's forgive me if I get this wrong but over one point one point two one point three million both times if you put everything on it was about one point five I think at uh Oshkosh if you wanted the all the bells and whistles and whizzles so I guess I'm guessing a Chichester Mars leopard was probably in the must have been up towards a million a million pound thing but it was it looked like it was worth a million pounds.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_06: I think we just I'm still excited about it I never saw whenever I saw it I never went wow I just thought hmm it is kind of but I think the constellations are yeah you have and harvest just like you have yeah you have some questionable things going on in your mind when it comes to the all those airplanes the the kind of you know the citation Mustang the you know the the eclipse they're all boring they were all you look at them all you they were just all kind of just meh yeah really not interesting yeah this looked like it like it was from the mind of a Jerry Anderson designer yeah absolutely yeah and they pro that's probably where they lifted it from there we go probably didn't come into commercial success because they were going to get sued by Jerry Anderson for making a Thunderbird design.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe so on that note yeah tell us uh did you like any of our what caught your eyes or have you has something caught your eye?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_05: So um put it in the comments.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_05: Now have we got any events?
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um I haven't looked um I would say there probably aren't many.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_05: Should you know should we look live to see if there are any events a great website to find events.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I've got slash uh events but you're not really enough but in order to see that you'll need to be member of the club.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_04: I do know there is I don't think there's anything coming up in the next week or so there are I think I want to say company will have a Christmas fly in the end of December and maybe I just remember so 15th of November Silent Wings Army Flying Museum at Middle Wallop where you won't be able to fly in but you have to visit uh the old old at the Boscombe Aviation collection at Old Serum there's a Christmas market on the 16th of November.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_05: That's worth going to just for the fact that the Boscombe aircraft collection is brilliant.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_04: I've never been have you never it's so close isn't it it's one of the few navy museums I've never been to they've not got they've got a lot of cockpits um not an awful lot of whole aeroplanes because they've only got one hangar at Boscomb but everyone I know who's been there uh says it's an amazing museum so it's worth going loads of really committed volunteers and navy wings as well I've never done that one either basically no and then on the ones that are on my doorstep yeah yeah okay right moving on European rotors in Germany for 17th to 20th of November Mona Flying Club have a Gasco safety evening on the 18th of November and on the 20th of November there's Christmas market at the wow how did that get in there Christmas Market at the Wilson Bath Air Ambulance Air Base in Summington which is literally that is very low down the road 15 minutes then and stomar finally Stow Mary's we've got a World War I Airdrome uh event going on on the 20 from the 20th of November to the 4th of December okay that doesn't say much more about what it's doing because they've got Christmas dinner Christmas menu Christmas stuff but it is going to be Christmassy at the quite time for events isn't it's quite time for events but it's it's it's World War I so maybe it'll be egg powder and stuff like that.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_04: Or was that World War II?
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway I think that's about it.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_06: So huge thanks to Scott Bateman thank you for coming along we love the book and I would look forward to seeing you again when something else what's your next book have you decided um I might be giving you may have given you a hint who knows I might have given you a hint I it's going to be a while because I've got a lot of stuff going on this coming year which is not book or media related.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_05: So because you've got you've got generally got a lot of things going on people are busy follow what you're up to on Instagram can't they?
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah they can Instagram or or X as it is now not Twitter.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah if you can follow me on any of those and uh you can find out what's going on.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_06: But no more books for about a year or so I've got some projects to focus on and we might come back and talk about those because they'll be really interesting I'm sure as you're just on our doorstep you're always welcome.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:01:13
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