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Hour 2: Bartoo joins us LIVE IN-STUDIO! We dive into the analytics. · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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  Speaker 3: We are often running ESPN one oh five nine The Zone,
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  Speaker 3: the Out of Bounds Show. I'm your host Bo Bounds,
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  Speaker 3: our friend and special guest Dimind Dave bartwo Matrix Analytical
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  Speaker 3: live in studio with us today. We did two hours
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  Speaker 3: yesterday outside of the show on YouTube, and then Bar
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  Speaker 3: two's with us all three hours today and three or
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  Speaker 3: four tomorrow from Dancing Rabbit Golf Club. Now, we've got
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  Speaker 3: some questions for Bar two that we're gonna hit here
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  Speaker 3: in a minute, because we're going to continue on with
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  Speaker 3: the Lane Kiffen John David Baker comparison because that's fun
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  Speaker 3: and Ole Miss wants to know what they do or
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  Speaker 3: don't have, or what they may or may not have.
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  Speaker 3: They know they got Trendidad and Lacy, which could mask
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  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of a deficiency between Lane who's
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  Speaker 3: rockstar level, top five, top ten maybe play caller, and
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  Speaker 3: John David Baker, who's not top ten or twenty or
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  Speaker 3: thirty or forty. So so we'll jump back into that.
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  Speaker 2: Just a thought On Lane.
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  Speaker 3: Kiffen he was faster AT fau And John David baker
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  Speaker 3: was faster AT. Ecu John David baker won't be as
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  Speaker 3: fast in THE. Sec, also why no mention Of Joe,
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  Speaker 3: judge who's heavily involved in all things? Offense huh, Okay Joe, Judge,
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  Speaker 2: Back, uh come to the come to THE. SIP i
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  Speaker 2: know it's hard for you to, say isn't.
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  Speaker 3: yeah we've had that for a. While that's since the
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  Speaker 3: sports bar. Two if you would continue to and we
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  Speaker 3: may stop you and debate, it but continue to compare
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  Speaker 3: and Contrast Lane kiffin is a play caller And John David.
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  Speaker 2: Bright and this is last. Year it was just twenty twenty. Five, okay,
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  Speaker 2: Okay so it Was baker AT ecu and kiffing at
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  Speaker 2: obviously at old miss explosive play. Rate let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: that because now they're there's little side note on explosive
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  Speaker 2: plays for everybody. Listening there's two kinds of explosive. Plays
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  Speaker 2: there's explosive scoring and there's explosive non. Scoring, Okay explosive
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  Speaker 2: non scoring plays effect road teams positively for wins and
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  Speaker 2: losses only about fifty five percent of the. Time you,
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  Speaker 2: know if you take all the explosive plays and jumble them,
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  Speaker 2: up they have a big impact on the. Game but
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  Speaker 2: when you start separating out road and home and explosive
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  Speaker 2: scoring and non, scoring it's making a bit of a.
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  Speaker 2: Difference but explosive play rate overall is a good measure
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  Speaker 2: of how because that really affects wins and. Losses, okay
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  Speaker 2: it's right there with turnover. Margin it's not as strong
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  Speaker 2: as scoring, efficiency it's not as strong as momentum, control
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  Speaker 2: but explosive play rates really. Important so last, year plays
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  Speaker 2: of fifteen or more Yards kiffin thirteen point eight, Percent
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  Speaker 2: baker ten point. Five, okay, okay so a little less
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  Speaker 2: explosive on the per play explosive rate twenty yard plus
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  Speaker 2: Plays kiffin eight point, Six baker six point, Two so
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  Speaker 2: about the same drop, off you, Know lane a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more explosive explosive run Percentage kiffin Eight baker four
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  Speaker 2: and a. Half that's a big gap right. THERE i,
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  Speaker 2: mean the difference between the two is in that big
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  Speaker 2: but it's almost double For lane on the run side of.
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  Speaker 2: It explosive Passes kiffin at twenty, One baker at eighteen
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  Speaker 2: not that far. Apart so explosive play calling on the
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  Speaker 2: pass side of it is probably a little bit. More
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  Speaker 2: even the run side is WHERE i think the differentiation
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  Speaker 2: is With kiffen and his play. Calling so overall in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Five Old miss just generated significantly more explosive
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  Speaker 2: plays for the. Game nearly fourteen percent of their plays
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  Speaker 2: go for fifteen plus, yards WHERE ecu is about ten
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  Speaker 2: and a.
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  Speaker 3: Half, okay, INTERESTING i wonder if we should Compare, John,
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  Speaker 3: David baker And.
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  Speaker 2: Levy we might come back and do that that takes
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  Speaker 2: a minute for this, thing for this to run all
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  Speaker 2: of thirty or. None, yeah we can do. That, now
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  Speaker 2: here's the biggest thing that the numbers pointed out.
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  Speaker 5: In the.
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  Speaker 2: Behavior, okay, okay this is the biggest, one and then
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  Speaker 2: THEN i can wrap it. Up but this one was
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  Speaker 2: really interesting in terms of pace of. Play quarter, One
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  Speaker 2: kiffin much slower Than. Baker quarter two about the, same
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  Speaker 2: But baker still, faster more uptemple. Plays quarter, Three baker
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  Speaker 2: more uptemple. Plays and then it. Flips, okay When kiffin
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  Speaker 2: is trailing in the fourth, quarter his up tempo is
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  Speaker 2: twice as fast As John David. Baker he steps on the.
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  Speaker 2: Gas and here's the other thing is when he is,
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  Speaker 2: leading he maintains. Tempo John David baker slows way down
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  Speaker 2: at any point when he is when he's winning a.
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  Speaker 2: Game SO i think.
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  Speaker 3: The keifvin plays to, win he. Goes we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: it over the. Years there's not many coaches that do,
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  Speaker 3: it AND i don't know how you would frame it,
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  Speaker 3: up but you got to go get the win they're
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  Speaker 3: not getting in our.
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  Speaker 2: League usually they're not going to give it to. You,
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  Speaker 2: no you got to go take it you Got and
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  Speaker 2: these numbers are saying That John David baker maybe plays
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  Speaker 2: a little bit not to lose when he's, winning, right
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  Speaker 2: and maybe doesn't have the true fastball to ratchet it.
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  Speaker 2: Up he runs, fast But lane has the. Ability it's
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  Speaker 2: it's almost like he can call multiple plays at once
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  Speaker 2: and just ramp up the tempo when he wants to
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  Speaker 2: get it. Going so's it's just imagine him just cruising
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  Speaker 2: down the highway at seventy all game and then suddenly
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  Speaker 2: in the fourth, quarter whether he's losing or here comes the,
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  Speaker 2: tempo here comes the, pressure and Either i'm gonna stomp
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  Speaker 2: you out Or i'm gonna go super. FAST i have
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  Speaker 2: to be able to catch, Up Whereas baker doesn't really speed.
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  Speaker 2: Up he runs the same tempo when he's losing as the, first,
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  Speaker 2: second and third, quarter and when he's winning he slows
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  Speaker 2: way down trying not to lose the football. Game big
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  Speaker 2: difference in my. Opinion there.
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  Speaker 3: Wayne kiffen Versus John David baker's play CALLER ski twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Tease who Is Dan mullen's profile as a head. Coach
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  Speaker 3: the other.
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  Speaker 2: Thing last, Year kiffin fourth and. Short this is his run. Game,
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  Speaker 2: okay Because kiffin's run game far better Than John David
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  Speaker 2: baker's last, year seventy nine percent of his fourth and
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  Speaker 2: Short kifvin Converted baker because he passes so much forty
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  Speaker 2: forty two. Percent ain't gonna win it in the. Sec
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  Speaker 3: want to do The Dan mullen profile for our? Listeners,
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  Speaker 3: yeah we we.
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  Speaker 2: We can do. That we were just talking about who
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  Speaker 2: do we compare you to? This how about this? Is
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  Speaker 2: why don't we compare in? Contrast because, look every fan
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  Speaker 2: wants to be the, best, Right so why don't we
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  Speaker 2: Compare jeff To Tim Beckett.
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  Speaker 3: Vanderbilt, yeah that's a good one for our. Listeners bannerbilt
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  Speaker 3: just had two really good. Years well arguably they're greatest
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  Speaker 3: year last year at ten and. Two they're the worst
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  Speaker 2: Mexico Or New Mexico. State jerry's been. Everywhere, Okay jerry's
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  Speaker 2: really Underrated, minnesota and he brought In Tim beck with,
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  Speaker 2: him who's a good offensive coordinator and Obviously, pavia, right
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  Speaker 2: you know who Is it's, like you Know Johnny manziel
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  Speaker 2: And jeremiah solely had a. Baby but run him out,
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  Speaker 2: there you, know.
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  Speaker 3: Ledby Versus Tim, beck who's been THE oc At. Vanderbilt,
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  Speaker 3: yeah let's do.
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  Speaker 2: That, yeah so it'll it'll be going through. That but
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  Speaker 2: you had talked About Dan. Mullen, yeah AND.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to profile like who's his comp as a
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  Speaker 3: college football. Coach dan was stops as a head coach
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  Speaker 3: At Mississippi, State florida and unob.
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  Speaker 2: And so for for for folks out there with coach
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  Speaker 2: effect is it is something THAT i came up with
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  Speaker 2: what over deck fifteen years ago and it was very.
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  Speaker 2: Simple it was when you won a game against the
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  Speaker 2: team that you out. Recruited there's no coach effect because
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  Speaker 2: the the theory is talent wins most football. Games and
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  Speaker 2: it's true if if you take all of the high
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  Speaker 2: school and portal talent and take the four best classes
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  Speaker 2: of the last four, years whether it's the portal or high.
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  Speaker 2: School you, know and you take your four best. Classes
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  Speaker 2: that's going to win you about seventy percent of the football.
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  Speaker 2: Games the rest of it is. Coaching but because of
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  Speaker 2: the access to data, Now i'm able to not only
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  Speaker 2: have coach, effect BUT i can have, WAR i can
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  Speaker 2: have wins above. Replacement how good has that guy been over?
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  Speaker 2: Time and so it allows me to be able to
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  Speaker 2: take a look at somebody Like Dan mullen At Mississippi,
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  Speaker 2: state At florida AT unlv individually and as a full, career,
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  Speaker 2: right what's his full career for coach effect and so?
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  Speaker 2: Forth and so we were doing this yesterday AND i
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  Speaker 2: asked the, system who Is Dan mullin's closest? Twin, basically,
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  Speaker 2: yeah what was the complement of? It Dan? Mullin so
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  Speaker 2: for his his entire, career he is almost plus one
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  Speaker 2: full game coach effect per year per, year meaning for
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  Speaker 2: his entire, career he has almost averaged one extra win
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  Speaker 2: above talent at all of his. Stops, okay that's like
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  Speaker 2: a fourteen year head coaching. Career go, ahead it's an
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  Speaker 2: amazing number for. Him his standard deviation his best year
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  Speaker 2: to worst year is one point five to, four so
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  Speaker 2: his top year and his bottom year aren't that far.
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  Speaker 2: Apart and his wins above replacement is at forty three point.
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  Speaker 2: One Now saban has the greatest war since twenty, ten
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  Speaker 2: he's at a seventy. Seven dabbo is like at a sixty,
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  Speaker 2: nine And dabbo at this pace is never even going
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  Speaker 2: to come close to breaking.
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  Speaker 3: Seventy so, yeah winds above replacement for our, listeners war
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  Speaker 3: go ahead or.
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  Speaker 2: Two and so you look At dan and you look
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  Speaker 2: at his whole career and then the number one guy
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  Speaker 2: that popped up one last year as a head coach
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  Speaker 2: fact point seventy four versus point seven to. One it's
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  Speaker 2: almost the same coach effect for their career their. War
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  Speaker 2: so both of these guys have been doing it a
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  Speaker 2: long time at a really good. Level one as a
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  Speaker 2: fifty ones at a forty three standard, deviation ones at
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  Speaker 2: one point sixty. Five one is at a one point
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  Speaker 2: five to. Four and the guy closest To Dan mullen
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  Speaker 2: with those, numbers It's James. Franklin James franklin Is Dan
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  Speaker 2: mullin's twin as a head coach with a lot of
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  Speaker 2: What franklin did to give you that number was the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he was so amazing At. Vanderbilt, right it's
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  Speaker 2: more back, Weighted, okay, right Did?
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  Speaker 5: Dan?
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  Speaker 2: DAN i would say it's kind of four. Level. Yeah, Well,
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  Speaker 2: dan if you if you look at his career With Mississippi,
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  Speaker 2: state it was it was a slow curve up. Right
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  Speaker 2: AND i think a lot of people underappreciate what he
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  Speaker 2: did At. Florida you know it. Did it fell off
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  Speaker 2: a cliff at the. End but and because of that recency,
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  Speaker 2: BIAS i think everybody forgets the three and a half
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  Speaker 2: years before it fell off a. Cliff he was. Fantastic
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  Speaker 2: the oh, wow and he took OVER unlv with. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: last Year Barry odom left to go be terrible At
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  Speaker 2: purdue and took everybody with, him And dan only posted
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  Speaker 2: a ten and two just absolutely wicked. GOOD i, mean,
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  Speaker 2: wow you, know and so but the numbers back that.
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  Speaker 2: Up the number SAY A A p four TO g
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  Speaker 2: six and the move down there's hardly any loss in ability.
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  Speaker 2: There there's no like one year waiting period Where lane
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  Speaker 2: going TO, lsu where some are, all going from From
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  Speaker 2: tulane To. Florida there there's going to be a step,
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  Speaker 2: back and, now you, know a one to one and
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  Speaker 2: a half game step back below. Expectations whereas that dropped,
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  Speaker 2: down the big guys can handle it a whole lot.
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  Speaker 2: Better So James franklin was the number one comparison.
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  Speaker 3: Though all, Right So mullin's twin and comp is Is James.
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  Speaker 3: Franklin and it's heavily waited For franklin because of winning.
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  Speaker 3: Games he shouldn't have won At, vanderbilt.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah but you know even Before god he was.
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  Speaker 2: Good he, was he, was AND i think we would
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  Speaker 2: agree if if what he did At vanderbilt was At Penn,
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  Speaker 2: state we would have all, Said Penn state is going
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  Speaker 2: to be in a national title game at some, point right,
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  Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean, really and he just couldn't find that
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  Speaker 2: magic overall, Abandon but he was still really.
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  Speaker 3: Good, yeah he was knocking down basically ten and two's
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  Speaker 3: yeah every year many, yeah ten and, two eleven and.
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  Speaker 2: One he had him in the. PLAYOFFS i mean, yeah it.
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  Speaker 2: Was it was going good until it didn't right right
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  Speaker 2: and then and then it just fell off a clif.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of a little dabbo in him in that maybe
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  Speaker 3: wasn't quite willing to listen or change.
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  Speaker 2: OR i don't. Know you, KNOW i think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it when you start getting to that elite, LEVEL
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  Speaker 2: i do, believe so you have to just catch certain, breaks,
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  Speaker 2: RIGHT i, mean things just have to come. Together it's it's, like,
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  Speaker 2: LOOK i think one of the great examples IS. LSU
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  Speaker 2: i will go to my grave not being able to
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  Speaker 2: quantify How Ed odron did what he did At Ole
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  Speaker 2: miss and turned around and has a national. Championship bring
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  Speaker 2: at the head coach AT. LSU i don't get. It
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  Speaker 2: it's like Going dave three plus six is? Purple what you?
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  Speaker 2: Know and SO i mean, again think about all the
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  Speaker 2: conflicts of everything coming Through Joe, Brady Burrow randa to
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  Speaker 2: TWO nfl first round wide. Receivers it could be in
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  Speaker 2: the fighting in a. Bottle so With, james do you
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  Speaker 2: look at? It he just couldn't GET i don't think
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  Speaker 2: he could Get he couldn't get the quarterback right. RIGHT
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  Speaker 2: i mean he could never get the quarterback, right and
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  Speaker 2: he couldn't get that OC dc. Right AND i think
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  Speaker 2: he got frustrated because you saw him fire a lot
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  Speaker 2: of OC's the last few, years and SO i think
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  Speaker 2: there was a frustration level there for for, him AND
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  Speaker 2: i think this year he's going to get THE oc.
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  Speaker 2: Wrong but that's between you, know my, opinion and he's
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  Speaker 2: going to Be. Franklin Franklin high next man. Up, okay
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  Speaker 2: a guy who was terrible at THE, fcs who just
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuck around long. Enough so we'll see if that.
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• 21:29
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  Speaker 3: Do kiffin's coming. Up but first we want to Compare
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Jeff levy as a play caller in twenty twenty five
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Versus Tim beck as a play caller At vanderbilt in
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty. Five we just did it With Lane kiffin
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: And John David, baker so.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Bartwo, Yeah and the reason we were going With vanderbilt
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: is simply they had the number one scoring efficiency offense
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: in THE sec last, Year, yeah which everybody predicted. That.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Right why not see where why not try to see
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: where we got to go right right on this, thing
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and we won't we won't talk about twenty twenty four
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: all For Mississippi. State so this is just twenty twenty.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Five but the first thing that jumps, OUT i, mean,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: look we Know vanderbilt is super, efficient, right but how
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: much more? Efficient, okay so per snap last, year you
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: take all the offensive snap Of, state all the offensive
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: snaps Of, vanderbilt the expected points per Snap vanderbilt number
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: was thirty eight percent, higher thirty eight percent, high thirty
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: eight percent higher per. Snap so imagine extrapolate that out
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: every Drive state, had every Drive vanderbilt, Had vanderbilt average
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: thirty eight percent more points Than. State that's how big
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the gap. Was and you just take that snap spy
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: points yeah for the game Huh, okay, yeah you. Know
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and And Mississippi state's last year wasn't that. Bad it
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: was point one't eighty, seven And John David baker was
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: at point one ninety one At East. Carolina so, offensively
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: efficiency wasn't very far apart. There But beck And pavia
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: And vanderbilt just awesome last. Year it's really hard And
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: i'm putting that out there because the perspective of nearly
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: forty percent higher scoring per drive for an entire, season it's. Amazing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Right but here's the thing, is look at the snap
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: rate you have Expected vanderbilt to run a lot more, plays, Right,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: nope plays per. Game vanderbilt offensive snaps fifty, Nine Mississippi
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: state seventy point. Three levy was running a snap every
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: twenty two point four Seconds beck And vanderbilt twenty seven point.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Six so not only were they going way, slower it
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: was the per. Play look at the yards play five
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: point seven to, seven seven point seven to, one almost
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: two yards per play every play for an entire. Season
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that's how much better The vanderbilt offense, was, Right and
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: one of the big, Reasons, uh there's two reasons, there
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: explosive plays and third down. Conversions, right moving the chains,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Right so explosive plays we're getting big. Pops vanderbilt about
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: seventeen percent of their plays were explosives For Mississippi state.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Eleven that's a pretty, right that's a pretty big gap.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: There but look at the moving the. Chains this is
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: where it's really. Big AND i think everybody listening would
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: agree from an efficiency, standpoint football, Standpoint, yeah we want,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: scoring but we also need to move the. Chains, sure
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you know we all can't BE tcu where forty eight
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: percent of our touchdowns came from explosive scores outside the Twenty,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: okay so last Year Mississippi state third down conversion rate
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: on offense forty one point two, Percent vanderbilt fifty six
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: point seven. Percent, so and it was at every level
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: third and short sixty seven seventy, three, third medium for
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: four to six yards fifty to sixty seven, percent so
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: third and, four third and, five third and. Six Mississippi
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: state was fifty to, Fifty vanderbilt was two out of. Three,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: right it adds, up and then over the course of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the season it acts, right and then then it flips
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: third and long one in three For Mississippi, state fifty
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: to fifty For, vanderbilt you, know and so you you
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: have you have a you have a big pace of
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: play advantage For Misissippi, state but it was largely inefficient
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: compared to What vanderbilt was. Doing SO i think the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: moral of the story of, this of this WHEN i
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: look at, it THAT i like to tell is the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: people always, ask, well what's better up? Tempo? Rpo? Slow you,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: know you, know grinded out three yards in a cloud of.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Dust it doesn't, matter it's can you execute? That is?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It everybody has a great offense if they can coach.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It and execute. It that is, it you, know and
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: you know so with for For Mississippi state going, out is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: A big gap Between vanderbilt's offense In Mississippi states offense
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Five, yes it's a massive. Gap you don't realize it
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: until you start looking at these per play and per drive.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Numbers and it's not Like vanderbilt's recruiting in the top.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Ten they're not even in the top thirty thirty. FIVE
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: i think they're fortieth last. Year you, know when you
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: add up the portal and they're high school. RECRUITING i, mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: well we talked about. It they're the worst in THE
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: sec right, now they're they're you, know number. Forty so
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: but it also goes to, show, maybe like we talked
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: about is with nil and the lack of, depth how
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: one quarterback could make a. Difference but remember that quarterback
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: also has to be, coached and the plays have to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: be called of the places still have to be, executed
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: ball still have to get caught in order to make that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Happen But vanderbilt is a great study in that pace
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't always equal wins an.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Efficiency, okay all, right so that Was Jeff levy Versus
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Tim beck for our, listeners he's the offensive coordinator At.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Vanderbilt he Had Diego pavia the last couple of years
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Save Clark lee's, job and they went ten and two last.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Year bar two started the show basically, saying this is
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: how bad or not how? Bad this is how watered
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: down the conference is compared to five six years ago
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: When bama And georgia were running. It, vanderbilt the worst,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: recruiter had the number one scoring efficiency offense in the
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: league and went ten and.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Two all, right so are we going To kiffen's? Twin
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: oh we. Can't, yeah we. Can't if anybody's listening right,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: now text in if you want an more, comparisons we
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: don't have to do it on the. Air we might
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: be able to do some.
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• 28:01
  Speaker 3: you Ask bar two what kind of talent Did John
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: David baker have It East carolina versus what he will
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: have At Old Miss curious to see what the recruiting
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: rankings Were East. Carolina but you're also comparing he's going
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: to go against AN sec schedule.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Right, right that's. It it's not about the talent they have,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: individually it's the talent relative to who they play to, play.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Right this is what we call ease of. Schedule what
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: is your talent relative to the talent you're? Facing and
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: SO i don't have that number right in front of,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: me But i'll pull.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: It up for it doesn't really matter because it matters
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: if well Comparing old miss In East carolina offensive. Talent
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: East carolina was playing AN aac. Schedule now he'll play At, yes,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: yes trinidadding but.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Is it a? Net but is it a? Net is
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: it a? Positive? RIGHT i? Mean is IS ecu the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: number one? Recruit or is easy you The georgia of
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: their conference and they have a talent advantage in every single? Game?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: YEAH i don't. Know All we're gonna find. Out i'll
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: check that out at the break For. Greg, okay all,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: right so we.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Did Dan mullen's twin head coaching comp Is James Franklin
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: bar two on The out Of bound. Show he joins
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: us on The Farm Bureau insurance guest. Line this IS
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: espn one oh five nine the. Zone who Is Lane
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: kiffin's Com.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah SO i ASKED i asked the question of the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: system of look At lane's. Career, now this takes into
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: account everything since twenty. Ten, okay, right so Us. SEE
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: i don't know If tennessee was still. There but this
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: isn't just Old miss Or Ole miss PLUS. Fau it's
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Everything Lane kiffin for his career plus one point three,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: games coach. Effect it's a little bit better Than, dan
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: just a little bit a little bit Better. Dan, Okay, okay,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: career his his twin is at plus one point six. Games,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: okay can you give me a. Hint the War win's,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: above replace the War ones at thirty three ones at
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: forty three lanes a little bit better, Overall so that
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: means this other guy has had a little bit more.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Talent they've both been in the in college football for
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: about the same amount of, time and they've both been
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: at multiple. Programs they're. Low their worst seasons are about the,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: same their top, Season i'm gonna, guess are about the.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Same and people are gonna be thrown off because now
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: they think he's terrible because he just got. Fired Bron.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Kelly, no, okay that's not who it spit. Out, okay
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: it's spit out the guy that had all those. Numbers
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: almost identical To lane Is Lincoln.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Riley Lincoln raleigh Is Lane kiffen's come, yep.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting similar low worst. Year you take their worst, years
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: they're very similar their best. Years both of them at
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: plus three. Games, okay and it's funny even beyond. That
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: from an offensive coordinator, standpoint both are five star offensive
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: coordinators in their own. Right, right that's a, problem so you,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: know but you look at, it both of them are
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: averaging basically for their. Career they're averaging plus one game
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: above coach effect, yea which is. Awesome it is really
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: really so To Dan dan.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: When you do that over ten, years that's that is
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: hard to. Do And dan's done. It kiffin's done, It Lincoln,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Raleigh James, FRANKLIN i guess and so.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: On so all, right, show.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: This guy's Hammering lane for not winning a playoff game. Yet, Okay,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: WELL i mean he took old mister to the college football.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Playoffs he just didn't coach. Him he was he was
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: going to beat Too lane in his.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Sleep well, not what do you? Mean he didn't win
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: a playoff?
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Game this guy's he's trying to basically say That flamee's
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: not that good because he hasn't ever done anything in the.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Postseason oh, yeah, yeah and, exactly they're Beating, tulane they're Beating.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: GEORGIA i, mean, RIGHT i, mean, jeez all, Right, tomato.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right, Right, Okay So Lane's lincoln rileyh that
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: isn't that?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Interesting it, IS i, mean he walked. In but it
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: makes but it makes sense in a way both from
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: a head coach and offensive coordinator. STANDPOINT i Think Lane
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: lane has obviously been better At Ole miss Than lincoln
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: has been AT, usc, clearly but it also shows you
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: how Good Lincoln riley was At. Oklahoma you, know when
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you start blaming those things kind of Like James franklin
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit more weighted on the back, end and
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: it goes back to saying Why dan is so good
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: because he keeps improving all you, Know, Franklin, yeah he's
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: had a great. Career But vanderbilt was better than the next,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: stop right, Right oklahoma was better THAN. Usc lane was
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: better At Ole miss THAN, fau and he was better
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: AT fau THAN. Usc and he's better AT usc than
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: he was In tennessee for the one. Year So lane
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: has shown that. Progression dan has showed that progression and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that is really really hard to do in college.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Football and back to what you said in the seven
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: THIRTY Sec insider, Hit Lane kithyn And Dan mullen are
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the only two coaches since twenty ten to coach at
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: three different schools and do what.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: And improve the coach effect over over the predecessor or
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: their own coach effect year over. Year, Right So dan
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Came Intossissippi, state improved on what he took. Over. Wow
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: then he was At. Florida His florida coach effect numbers
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: in those four years was better than his Overall Mississippi,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: state and then his one year AT unlv was better
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: than either number at. It now, now granted he had
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: one great you, know it's our sample size is one,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: year but fourteen. Total but you know, Something dan And
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: lane are just both, awesome and they both coached. Here
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: they're both. Awesome you guys were lucky to have them
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: here in the. State, MAN i can't tell you how
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: lucky you were to have two really good coaches like
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: that around the same. Time just.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable nine years With, mullins six years With. LANE i,
• 34:23
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  Speaker 3: yeah He's, yeah he's an. Attorney Is deboor Or grub?
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Overrated it certainly feels like. It that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: Or, Grub, well it depends on how you rate. Them, okay, Right,
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  Speaker 2: YEAH i MEAN i mean overrated compared to what?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: What?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Right and, well as, guys we just like to put
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: it in the box that we want it. In yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah so you, know sometimes we don't even compare it
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: to anything. Else we just say this guy's not good
• 36:41
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• 36:44
  Speaker 2: GRUB i get it, right Because Grub. Grub the question
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: to me is certainly how much was The pinnix. Influence
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: but let's not.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Forget Michael pennox was at The university Of washington for our.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Listeners De boor And grub were there and went to
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: The National championship game Before Greg burn went and hired
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: them to go To. Alabama grub went To obama for five,
• 37:12
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• 37:16
  Speaker 3: he's back At bama last year and this, Year bartwo go, Ahead.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah and so it depends on what lens you're looking
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: through for these. Guys and SO i was just pulling
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: UP i was just pulling up De boor's coach effect
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: profile because we did this for all sixteen. Teams and
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: we'll probably get into this. Later but you look at
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: De boor for his career his coach, effect he's plus
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: two point three nine games amongst active had per year per,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: year plus two three different games at three different places
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: where was His washington And. Alabama so he's plus two
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: point three. Games that's number ten out of all active
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: had coaches right now with a grade since twenty, ten
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: guys with three or more years of. Experience that is
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: number eight out of two hundred and seventy. Two good,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: lord that's. Impressive and to Compare, sarkisian who's been at three,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: places is number one and forty eight out of two seventy.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Two, okay but people run around and Think sark's great
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: because he's won a bunch of games At, texas but
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: he beat. It he beats a bunch of teams city's
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: supposed to be.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And he's had the last couple of years has been.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Good but we're talking body of, work, Right you're talking
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: about they, won, right you. Know And sark went on
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: a eight year binge in which he was negative coach
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: effect every, year every single. Year we talked ABOUT. Pj
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: fleck At, minnesota he was positive six out of the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: last seven, years you. Know and so and the coach
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: effect for everybody, listening it's relative to the talent you
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  Speaker 2: have versus the talent you're. Facing that's one of the,
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  Speaker 2: big big adjustments that we're trying to. Make it's not
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  Speaker 2: just wins and, losses so so boor. Overall, now there
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  Speaker 2: might be some recency, bias but take a. LOOK i,
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  Speaker 2: Mean alabama was in the playoff last, year and they
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: had one of, the if not the toughest regular season
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  Speaker 2: schedule in college. Football but you look At debor his worst,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: season he was dead even in coach effect. Zero his
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  Speaker 2: best is plus, six and that extrapolates out. Plus that's,
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  Speaker 2: insane it's totally.
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  Speaker 4: Interesing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah so that was either At presno, yeah Or. WASHINGTON
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  Speaker 3: i don't know how you'd be plus six At Washington.
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  Speaker 2: Washington it Was. Washington it was that first year At
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: washington twenty twenty three because what he took over was
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: so bad. Bad. Okay Uh so there's a progression value
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to it. Too you can have a good, season but
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: if it's worse than the previous, year it knocks you. Down, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay so so, anyway he was.
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  Speaker 3: Plus six At, washington won his first, year and took
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: over a dumpster.
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  Speaker 2: Fire, Right so you look at his entire. Career number,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: one why wouldn't you want this? Guy and number, two
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  Speaker 2: if you're talking, about OH i want to get rid
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Of kailin for whom who are you getting rid of him? For,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: well and that ranked better that you're going to bring.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: In that's a better.
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  Speaker 3: Risk and so that was the big question last year
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  Speaker 3: When burne knew That michigan was trying to pluck him
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  Speaker 3: and poach.
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  Speaker 2: Him who are you going to go?
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: GET i, Mean Kirby smart's not coming To alabama.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And that's, that and that's.
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  Speaker 3: IT i, mean there's not Who Pert signetti wasn't Leading
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: indiana had already wrapped him. Up there's Just Ryan day
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: wasn't going to Leave Ohio state For. Bama and not
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: that he not That i'm sure he's, great but he's
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: done a good. Job you're it's a great. Point if
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: you let him, go who are you going to?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Get? Right and here's the other thing In greg's decision paradigm,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: too is when you look at the, numbers when a
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: program starts churning head coaches more than, two you, know
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: you start getting two to three guys in four or
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: five six year, period the overall program takes a bigger.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Hit the win loss record is harder to keep up
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: when you're churning through head. Coaches so the numbers actually,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: say at some point in ad if you've been churning,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: coaches you have to bite the bullet and let a
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: guy run it out for four or five six. Years
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: just so you don't keep in that cycle of trying
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: to replace because a lot of times hiring a head
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: coach man sometimes you just got to be more lucky than,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: good you. Know and THE sec is a really good
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: example two of.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: These, yeah Like Greg byrne didn't know exactly what he
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: was getting With Dan, mullen And Keith carter didn't.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Know exactly what he was getting With Lane.
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  Speaker 3: Kiffin but it has made their career because they ended
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: up being rock.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Stars exactly. Rockstar they Hired, rocks and there was.
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  Speaker 3: Rocks there was none in the time there considering what
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: they walked.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Into it was. Rock dan had never head coached a
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: game in his, life and he Took state to number
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: one for a, second, right you, know so so you,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: know and then you look at some of the other
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: decisions it went on and two on the way out,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: right good, lord you look at, uh look at, Him
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: look At. Napier, Okay napier's coach effect was every bit
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: as good or better Than lane AT. Fau, right But
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: lane had been portable And lane had some powerful, experience
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: but nothing AT fau AND usc And tennessee said this
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: is what was going to happen At Old miss right.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Right nothing that that That napier did At, Louisiana BECAUSE
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: i passed Through. NAPIER a ton said he was going
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: to fall in his face by minus a game and
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: a half a year At. Florida he was over plus
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: three games a year At, louisiana but he hadn't done
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: it anywhere. Else that's a good, Point dave bar.
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