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The Maxwell Trial Transcripts: Kate Describes Her Relationship With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 3) (11/10/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off with the testimony from Kate during
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  Speaker 1: the Glenn Maxwell trial. Question, did you give Epstein a
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  Speaker 1: massage in the room? Answer yes. Question, and without telling
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  Speaker 1: the jury the details, during the massage, did Epstein initiate
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  Speaker 1: sexual contact with you? Answer yes. Question, did Epstein engage
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  Speaker 1: in a sex act with you during the massage? Answer yes. Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I want to move forward to the end of the massage.
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  Speaker 1: After it ended, where did you go? Answer, I went
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  Speaker 1: downstairs again. Question, and who, if anyone, did you see? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I saw Ghislaine Maxwell. Question, what, if anything, did Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: say to you after the massage? Answer, she said, did
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  Speaker 1: you have fun? You're such a good girl, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: so happy you were able to come. This is really great,
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  Speaker 1: and he obviously likes you a lot. Question, yes. Can
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  Speaker 1: you describe Maxwell's tone when she made those statements? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: She sounded really pleased. And I was really pleased that
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  Speaker 1: she was pleased. Question. Did you leave Maxwell's house? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Other than the three times that you saw Epstein at
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell's townhouse in London, did you see anyone else at
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  Speaker 1: her house? Answer. Can you repeat it? Question. Other than
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  Speaker 1: the three times you saw Epstein at Maxwell's townhouse in London,
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  Speaker 1: did you see anyone else at her house? Answer. Yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who did you see? Answer, I saw a girl. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how or what did the girl look like? Answer, she
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  Speaker 1: was blonde and slim, around my age. Question, approximately how
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  Speaker 1: old were you when you saw this girl? Answer, 17. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and what did you see the girl doing at Maxwell's townhouse? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she was having tea with Ghislaine and telling Ghislaine about
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  Speaker 1: the things that she was interested in. Question, what if
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  Speaker 1: anything did Maxwell say to you about what she thought
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  Speaker 1: Epstein would think of the girl? Answer, can you repeat
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  Speaker 1: it please? Question, what if anything did Maxwell say to
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  Speaker 1: you about what she thought Epstein would think of the girl? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she said, I think she would be a good fit
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  Speaker 1: for him. Question, after Epstein engaged in sex acts with
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  Speaker 1: you during massages in Maxwell's house in London, did you
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  Speaker 1: ever see Epstein and Maxwell again? Answer, yes. Question, over
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  Speaker 1: the next few years... How frequently did you see them? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I saw them. Do you mean how many individual occasions?
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  Speaker 1: Or how many? Can you be specific? Question, sure. Over
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  Speaker 1: the next few years, about how many times did you
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  Speaker 1: see them? Answer, how many times per year? It was sporadic.
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  Speaker 1: The first couple of years, more. Probably five times the
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  Speaker 1: first couple of years. Question, and on the times that
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  Speaker 1: you would see them, would you see them just one time?
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  Speaker 1: Or would you see them multiple times? Answer, multiple times. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember the exact details and dates of every
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  Speaker 1: single time you saw Epstein and Maxwell? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do some details and events stand out more in your
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  Speaker 1: mind than others? Answer, yes. Question, I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about the time period from when you were
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  Speaker 1: 17 years old to your early 20s. Were you in
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  Speaker 1: contact with Maxwell during that time period? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how did you typically communicate with Maxwell during that period? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: by phone. Question. When you spoke with Maxwell on the phone,
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  Speaker 1: what topics did Maxwell talk to you about? Answer. She
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  Speaker 1: asked me what I was up to, if things were
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  Speaker 1: going well, if I was dating anybody, if I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to visit, and if anything exciting was happening. Question. When
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  Speaker 1: you spoke with Maxwell on the phone, what, if anything,
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  Speaker 1: did Maxwell ask you to do for Epstein? Answer. She
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  Speaker 1: asked me to come visit them. Question. What, if any,
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  Speaker 1: sexual topics did Maxwell bring up on the phone? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: she didn't bring up sexual topics on the phone. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when you saw Maxwell in person, did there come a
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  Speaker 1: time where she brought sexual topics up with you? Answer, yes. Question, what,
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  Speaker 1: if any, sexual topics did Maxwell bring up? Answer, she
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  Speaker 1: would talk a lot about the nature of, she would
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  Speaker 1: say boys and boys and their willies, which was a
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  Speaker 1: euphemism for a penis, how demanding Jeffrey Epstein was. And
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  Speaker 1: she would ask me if I knew anybody who could
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  Speaker 1: come and give Jeffrey a blowjob because it was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun for her to do. Question, what, if anything,
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  Speaker 1: did Maxwell tell you about the girls for Epstein? Bobby Sternum,
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  Speaker 1: objection leading. Judge Nathan, just a moment. I'll allow it.
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  Speaker 1: You may answer. Kate, thank you. She said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what he likes, cute, young, pretty, like you. Question about
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  Speaker 1: how long after you met Maxwell do you remember having
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  Speaker 1: conversations about those topics? Answer, within a few weeks. Question,
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  Speaker 1: approximately how many times did you, did those sexual topics
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  Speaker 1: come up? Answer, all the time. Question, did you tell
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell about any other girls for Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you connect Maxwell with any girls for Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what if anything did Maxwell say about how often Epstein
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  Speaker 1: needed to have sex? Answer, she said that he needed
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  Speaker 1: to have sex about three times a day. Question, approximately
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  Speaker 1: when did she make those statements? Answer, in the first
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  Speaker 1: couple of months. Question, what was Maxwell's demeanor like? when
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  Speaker 1: she would talk to you about sexual topics? Answer, her
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  Speaker 1: demeanor was very, I would say that it was almost
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  Speaker 1: like a schoolgirl. And I almost felt like she was younger,
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  Speaker 1: like talking like she was younger than me, which was odd.
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  Speaker 1: And everything was fun, and everything was silly, and everything
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  Speaker 1: was just very exciting. And just everything seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: like a fun, silly joke. Question, within the first few
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  Speaker 1: months of meeting Maxwell, what, if anything, did Maxwell ask
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  Speaker 1: you about your sex life? Answer, she asked me if
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  Speaker 1: I liked sex. She asked me, you know, if I
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  Speaker 1: was dating anybody. Question, you testified earlier that when you
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  Speaker 1: went for tea at Maxwell's house in London, you told
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  Speaker 1: her about your family. Did you continue to tell Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: about your family? Answer, yes. Question, what, if anything, did
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  Speaker 1: you tell her about your family? Answer, I just continued
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  Speaker 1: to tell her that, you know, my mother was struggling
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  Speaker 1: and that it was very difficult and that I was
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  Speaker 1: alone a lot. Question, when you first met Maxwell and Epstein...
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  Speaker 1: What was your understanding of their relationship? Answer. I understood
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  Speaker 1: that Jeffrey was her boyfriend. Question. In the first few years,
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  Speaker 1: you knew Maxwell. What did you understand to be Maxwell's job? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I understood that her job was to take care of
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey's needs. Question. What, if any, involvement did Maxwell have
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  Speaker 1: in managing properties? Answer. She seemed to be pretty involved
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  Speaker 1: in managing properties and making sure that everything was the
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  Speaker 1: way that Jeffrey liked it. and there seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of rules around that. Question, did Maxwell ever
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  Speaker 1: tell you what, if any, property she owned? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what did she tell you? Answer, she told me that
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  Speaker 1: she owned her house in London, and that at a
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  Speaker 1: later time she told me that she owned her house
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  Speaker 1: in New York City, and that Jeffrey had got it
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  Speaker 1: for her. Question, did you ever have any conversation with
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell about her social circle? Answer, yes. Question, what do
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  Speaker 1: you recall her telling you about her social circle? Answer, well,
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  Speaker 1: she seemed to know everybody. And she told me that
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  Speaker 1: she was friends with Prince Andrew, friends with Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: friends with lots of famous people. And sometimes her names
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  Speaker 1: would just come up in conversation or she might be
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  Speaker 1: talking on the phone about them with me present. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I want to switch gears just for a moment. You
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  Speaker 1: mentioned Oxford earlier. Did you end up going to Oxford? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: during your late teens and early 20s, what did you
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  Speaker 1: do for a living? Answer, in my late teens and
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  Speaker 1: early 20s, I became a musician and a model. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you testified earlier that Epstein initiated sexual activity with you
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  Speaker 1: when you were 17 years old. Approximately, when did he
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  Speaker 1: stop initiating sexual activity with you? Answer, approximately in my
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  Speaker 1: early 30s. Question, when you spent time with Epstein in
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  Speaker 1: that time period, about how often did he initiate sexual
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  Speaker 1: activity with you? Answer, sorry, can you repeat that? Question,
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  Speaker 1: when you spent time with Epstein, how often did he
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  Speaker 1: initiate sexual activity with you? Answer, every time. Question, when
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  Speaker 1: Epstein initiated sexual activity with you, was that always in
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  Speaker 1: the context of massage? Answer, no. Question, when you spent
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  Speaker 1: time with Epstein, did you provide him with sexualized massages? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: in what locations did these sexualized massages with Epstein take place? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: in London, in Palm Beach, and on his island. Question,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about those places in a bit. Apart from
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  Speaker 1: the first massage in London, were you rubbed Epstein's feet
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  Speaker 1: and shoulders? Were there any other massages you provided Epstein
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  Speaker 1: in which nothing sexual happened? Answer, no. Question, was anyone
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  Speaker 1: in the room with you and Epstein while you were
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  Speaker 1: giving him massages? Answer, no. Question, you mentioned that after
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  Speaker 1: the first two massages you gave Epstein when you were 17,
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  Speaker 1: you saw Maxwell right after. Did anything like that happen
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  Speaker 1: with any other sexualized massages you gave Epstein? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what do you remember about those interactions? Answer, well, mostly.
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  Speaker 1: She would ask me if it went well, if I
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  Speaker 1: had fun. Question, what, if any, gifts did you receive
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  Speaker 1: from Maxwell? I received a small black Prada handbag. Question,
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  Speaker 1: where did you receive that gift? Answer, in London. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and how did you know that the gift was from Maxwell? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: there was a note that said from Ghislaine and Jeffrey. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and what was that a gift for? Answer, for my birthday. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what birthday? Answer, I believe my 18th. Question. Answer. Question. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: during massages at Maxwell's house? Answer, after. Question, what, if any,
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  Speaker 1: conversation do you remember having with Maxwell about travel? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I remember that she was always accommodating and told me
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  Speaker 1: that whenever I wanted to come and visit, that she'd
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  Speaker 1: take care of everything and that they would take care
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  Speaker 1: of everything. Question, did those conversations about travel happen before
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  Speaker 1: or after she gave you the handbag? Answer, before. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did there come a time when you traveled to meet
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and Maxwell? Answer, yes. Question, approximately how many times
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  Speaker 1: did you travel to meet them? Answer, to meet both
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  Speaker 1: of them. Question, yes. Answer, four or five times. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember approximately how old you were when you
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  Speaker 1: first traveled to meet Maxwell and Epstein? Answer, approximately 18. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and do you remember approximately how old you were when
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  Speaker 1: you last traveled to meet both Maxwell and Epstein? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: approximately 24. Question, during that time period... Where did you
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  Speaker 1: travel to meet Epstein and Maxwell? Answer, I traveled to
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  Speaker 1: Palm Beach, to New York, and to the island. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when you traveled to meet Maxwell and Epstein, how did
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  Speaker 1: you travel? Answer, I traveled on commercial planes. Question, who
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  Speaker 1: booked your travel? Answer, I'm not always sure who booked it,
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  Speaker 1: but usually Ghislaine informed me about it. Sometimes one of
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  Speaker 1: the assistants would book it, maybe Leslie Groff. Question, generally speaking,
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  Speaker 1: Where did you stay when you visited Epstein and Maxwell? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I generally stayed with them. Question. And when you say
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  Speaker 1: you stayed with them, where did you stay? Answer. At
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  Speaker 1: their house. Question. Who owned the properties? Answer. Jeffrey, I think. Question.
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  Speaker 1: How did Maxwell talk about the properties that Epstein owned? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: She talked. She talked about them as if they were
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  Speaker 1: her homes. Question. Who worked at Epstein's homes? Answer. I
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  Speaker 1: would see staff sometimes, but I didn't know their names
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't have much interaction with them. Question, what,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, did you observe about Maxwell and her interactions
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  Speaker 1: with the staff? Answer, I noticed that she was the
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  Speaker 1: one who mainly communicated with the staff. She seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be telling them, giving them a lot of direction around
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  Speaker 1: doing things the way that Jeffrey wanted them done. Detailed
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  Speaker 1: instructions around food and just quite aggressive communication with them.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off. All the information that goes with
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  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box.