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Jeff Kinley: What Jesus Actually Taught About The Last Days · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, thank you for tuning in.
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  We talk about so many things.
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  And this week we've been all over the map, a lot of politics, a lot of what's going
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  on in the culture, a globalism, everything else, but there's a fascinating new book
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  out.
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  I want to make sure you know about, it's called the end of the world according to Jesus
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  of Nazareth.
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  And this is from author Jeff Kinley.
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  And I want to just open up by asking a question, why talk about end times Doomsday subjects?
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  Well, because Jesus Christ talked about them and in great detail.
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  So for that reason alone, we should pay attention.
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  And as we rapidly approach the last days, his message is more relevant to us than ever.
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  So again, the book is available on Amazon, the end of the world according to Jesus of Nazareth.
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  Brother, Jeff Kinley, good to have you back on World View Matters.
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  Nice to see you again.
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  Thank you so much, David.
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  Always great to be back with you.
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  Yep.
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  I'm looking forward to talking about the book, love the content, the subject matter of course.
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  But first I want to mention where people can connect with you elsewhere.
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  Of course, over at Jeff Kinley live, it airs on his channel.com.
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  And you also host the King is coming, coming television program.
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  And also Jeff's vintage truth podcast, it's heard on over 160 countries and prophecy
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  prose podcast with Todd Hampson.
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  You can check that over on YouTube.
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  So I asked you how you keep up with everything brother and with all that you're doing.
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  And I'm thankful God's given you a voice, content, and the platforms and praise God,
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  may he enlarge your territory.
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  But you've got events coming up next month or in the near future prophecy prose conferences.
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  Is that what you're doing?
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  Yeah, I've been doing a lot of prophecy prose, so we call them pop up conferences.
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  We'll come in on a Saturday and just spend a day teaching about Bible prophecy.
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  So yeah, I'm going to be a New Hampshire, Wyoming, South Carolina, Canada, I mean, we're
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  going all over the place.
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  The Great White North or the Great Progressive North.
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  I don't know.
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  There's some good people up there.
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  My wife is a remnant, yeah, you can go to Jeff Kinley.com friends and check out speaking
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  events.
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  And so if there was a church that wanted you and Todd to come in, how would they get a
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  hold of you?
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  You can go to the website and just hit contact or is there a different way?
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  No, exactly.
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  Just hit the contact form.
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  There's a little form there that you can fill out and we'll get right back with you.
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  Okay.
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  So let's dive into the book.
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  You've of course been teaching about this for years.
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  You've written a lot of books.
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  I think is it over 40 like goodness.
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  You're not that old.
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  How is that possible?
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  It's deceptive.
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  So yeah, so Jeff, we understand.
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  We've been disappointed by the biblical illiteracy of the church in America.
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  And it's sad.
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  And especially on these teachings about the end times, about the rapture.
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  In fact, I was looking at some of the last chapters and I'm going, man, chapter 19, Jesus
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  offers the way out and there's just so much great content.
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  I think this is a timely book, but I want to get your thoughts as the author who wrote
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  this, why this title now?
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  How did you come to this book today or this season?
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  That's a great question.
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  I just began thinking about two things.
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  Number one is just the intense, interesting curiosity.
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  There is about the end times right now that is growing daily.
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  I mean, as people look around, obviously, the events have gone on our country in the
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  past week.
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  People are just going, what in the world is happening?
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  What's happening globally?
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  What's going on with Israel?
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  What's happening with America?
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  And all these things are like little rivers, little tributaries converging into one mighty
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  river.
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  So that was one thing.
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  And then the other thing was is that, you know, Jesus gives us a very unique camera angle,
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  really a Jewish camera angle on the end times.
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  And you know, he gave this message just all of that discourse in Matthew 24 and 25 on
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  the Wednesday before the last supper that happened the next day and next evening.
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  So it's a very important topic.
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  It's critical intel, if you will, it's like a dossier on Doomsday.
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  And God wants us to understand what's going to happen and what's believers to know ahead.
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  And I'm always has.
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  And I think this is a great point of discernment for believers today.
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  So you say it's, yeah, discernment, big word, and for believers.
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  And I'm looking at the first two chapters and I want to ask you, who are you directing
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  the book at?
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  Who do you hope reads it?
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  The first couple of chapters, who is Jesus of Nazareth?
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  So are you trying to get a broader reach of trying to get people to understand that don't
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  know about the Bible or go ahead and share?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  I mean, I wanted the tool, one of the book rather to be a tool for believers.
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  And I think it's even fair to ask for believers.
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  I mean, I post the question, who is this Jesus of Nazareth really?
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  And why should we trust his version of end times events?
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  Well, I kind of blame the foundation of the whole book based on who is Christ?
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  What did he say?
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  What did he do?
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  What did he prove about himself?
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  And if he's truly the son of God, then what he has to say about everything, including
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  the end times, is not only important, but it's accurate.
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  And so this book, I think, can be a tool to give to unbelievers, to skeptics, to say,
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  you know, hey, you think I'm crazy because I'm in the Bible prophecy.
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  But let's see what Jesus said about it.
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  And then, you know, your, your contention, your argument can be with him.
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  Amen, brother.
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  If someone is resurrected, someone raises from the dead, rises from the dead, I think we
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  should probably pay attention to what he has to say because that must be God.
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah.
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  That's right.
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  So I love that that you open it up that way.
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  That's so part one, part two, you've got six parts in the book.
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  Who is Jesus of Nazareth?
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  Then you go to what did Jesus prophesy, which is huge.
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  And then you get into Matthew 24.
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  And I love in some of the notes, I think it was on the back cover description.
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  It talks about in their original context, talk about how important of a word that is,
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  the whole Bible, but particularly what Jesus said in context.
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  Now, that's, that's a really great point because context is everything as we look to
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  Matthew 24 and 25 because the context is some Jews ask a question about a Jewish future
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  to a Jew who was the Jewish Messiah.
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  And so he gives them prophecies about what's going to happen to the Jews and the Jewish
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  nation in the latter days.
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  And so the whole context is about about the Jews.
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  And yet, obviously, there's incredible lessons and, and principles for us there as well.
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  But it's very interesting, as I said earlier, is to see the end times this unique camera lens
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  that only Christ had.
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  And you know, we see Revelation, which there's no, you know, disconnect between Revelation
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  and what Matthew 24 says, but at the same time, there's a, there's a tone to it.
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  There's a filter over it that helps us understand the end times.
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  And you know, right now we're in the midst of this incredible war that's going on in Israel.
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  And that kind of gives us a little bit of a hint as to what's coming for Israel.
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  Scripture tells us a lot is coming after Israel or the Antichrist is coming after Israel.
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  Revelation 12 talks about a whole other Holocaust that's going to happen to the Jewish people.
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  So Jesus wanted his future Jewish brethren that are living during that time to know and
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  to be informed and to be prepared for what's coming.
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  I'm glad you brought that up because chapter five was going to be my next question because
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  chapter five is wars will be fought.
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  And I would just want to go to the scriptures and have you expound a little bit because we've heard,
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  I mean, even before us, even before we were born, I'm sure generations before have heard,
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  there will be wars and rumors of wars.
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  And we kind of just take that and kind of brush it off.
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  But there's some instruction from Jesus who says, see that you are not frightened for those things
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  must take place.
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  But that is not yet the end for national rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.
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  And in various places, there will be famines and earthquakes.
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  And by the way, I'm reading Matthew 24 verses six through eight.
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  But verse eight, Jeff, and I'll let you go and take it away.
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  These, this, that's happening now.
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  We've seen that it's going on.
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  But then Jesus says, these are, these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
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  So what's that, what else do you get into in that chapter?
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  Yeah, well, I talk about the fact that, you know, we're really ramping up to this, this tribulation time.
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  We're obviously not there yet.
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  And we don't have an anti-Christ, but, but at the same time, we are rapidly accelerating towards this intersection of history.
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  And, you know, Jesus said that when you see these global wars coming together,
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  I think this, these wars are what the revelation talks about and the second rider on the horse.
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  When these wars come together, just know that these are things that God has already prophesied to come to pass.
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  So that's why he tells them, you know, don't be alarmed.
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  Don't be dismayed.
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  These things have to happen in order for the end times narrative to play itself out.
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  But you mentioned a birth pangs in there.
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  It's like, you know, birth pangs happen as the birth gets closer.
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  It happens with more intensity and with more frequency.
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  And so part of what Jesus is saying, I think here, really, again, parallels with Revelation 6 or 18.
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  Is that these things are going to get harder and more intense and worse and worse on planet Earth,
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  which David is really highlights the fact of why God is going to remove the church before these things happen.
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  Because these are his wrath events coming down on planet Earth.
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  And we've already been delivered from the wrath through Christ.
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  And so that's why I hold a pre-tribulational rapture because I think Christ is going to deliver the church before.
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  He unleashes his wrath and planet and that includes these wars mentioned here.
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  So I want to ask you the same question since you mentioned that I asked Lee Brainerd last week.
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  A lot of people say, well, how are we or whatever that last generation so blessed or favored?
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  Why do we get to avoid the wrath, right?
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  Why do we get to go when Jesus returns?
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  We're going to be caught up with him.
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  Why don't we go through this?
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  So go ahead and share your thoughts on that.
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  Yeah, well, there are a couple of reasons.
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  One is the scripture that tells us that we're not destined for wrath.
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  The 1st Thessalonians chapter 1, verse 10, chapter 5, verse 9.
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  Revelation 3, 10 says, we're going to be lifted up out of this time of trouble that's coming on the whole earth.
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  But I think it's less about the fact that it's us that we get to be privileged.
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  And it's more about the fact that it's the church as a whole.
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  Christ is going to come back for the whole church.
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  That's everybody from the very first convert on the day of Pentecost to the last convert,
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  the last part of the church age.
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  We just happen to be living towards the end of that time.
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  And so it's all of believers, dead end living,
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  ones that are in heaven, they're going to come back with their spirits or bodies
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  that will be resurrected first.
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  We're going to be caught up in the air with Christ.
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  And so it's a glorious event.
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  And I think one thing to kind of consider as we think about where we are on God's timeline
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  is to say, what if God did choose us to be that generation that gets to witness the beginnings
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  of these prophetic fulfillment, but yet we're taken out.
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  We get to experience the rapture which believers, true believers, have longed for for 2000 years.
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  I mean, the early church, all throughout the New Testament is this eager,
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  longing, this awaiting, this marinatha spirit.
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  And could we be that generation that actually gets to experience all that they wanted to experience?
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  Well, it's very, very possible.
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  And so for that reason of the fact that he's promised it to the whole church
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  and the fact that, again, we get lifted out before God's wrath comes.
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  All those things make these times we're living in very exciting and very, very special.
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  Wow. Just amazing just to think about.
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  But I want to go back one verse.
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  We mentioned Matthew 24.
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  We already read the wars, removal wars.
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  But what's fascinating, part three in your book, when will these things take place?
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  I'm going back to Matthew 24 and he was sitting on the Mount of Olives.
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  The disciples came to him privately saying, tell us, when will these things happen?
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  What will be the sign?
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  The interesting, how he answered them.
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  He didn't say, here's when the year 2030 or whatever he said, don't be deceived or see
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  to it that no one misleads you.
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  So early in the podcast, you mentioned deception.
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  Go ahead and share your thoughts on that in part three, when will these things take place?
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  What should be our reaction?
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  That's very interesting that Christ doesn't give us a time stamp.
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  He doesn't even really give us a season in this context.
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  Later on, he tells them what the sign is going to be.
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  But here, as with all in times prophecies and in times events and people talking about
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  the in times, David, there's always white noise.
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  There are always the people that come out of the woodwork that are setting soft dates,
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  hard dates.
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  They're giving alarmist messages to people and making these unfounded predictions about
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  when Jesus is going to come back and they say, well, no man can really know the date,
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  but it's got to be before this date.
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  It's got to be before 2030 or whatever.
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  And I'm just like, God gets to have his own secrets.
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  And I'm going to let God decide when that happens.
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  So I'm not putting any times on the return of the Lord just simply to say that the condition
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  seemed to be right for him to come, but it's up to him because he's a sovereign God.
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  Friends, we have to take a brief pause with Jeff Kinley.
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  The book is called the end of the world according to Jesus of Nazareth.
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  It's on Amazon.
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  You can also go to Jeff Kinley.com.
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  of the World, according to Jesus of Nazareth.
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  I want to know what Jesus taught.
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  I want to know what he said about it, and as we mentioned earlier, context really important
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  when you talk about these things.
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  So, Jeff, Chapter 13 is The Days of Noah Are Revisited.
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  We hear a lot about The Days of Noah, The Days of Lot.
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  They think, some people think, well, our debauchery and depravity in America is the worst
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  the world has ever seen, you know, these must be just like The Days of Noah.
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  So what do you get into in that chapter 13?
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  Well, a couple of things, one is that we obviously have to rewind back to Genesis, Chapter
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  6 to find out what were the days of Noah like, and it's interesting, verse 5 says that
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  the man's thoughts were only evil continually.
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  And I think, well, gosh, we're not exactly there yet, but wow, but this was everybody.
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  This was perhaps even billions of people, some experts estimate that all they thought
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  about was selfish motives, all they thought about was evil and doing evil.
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  He talks about immorality and ungodliness and violence in the day and really apostasy
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  because there was only just one righteous man left on the planet.
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  And so as we see the church really shrinking in the sense of the true believers and the
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  remnant believers today and even church attendance shrinking, we see immorality rising everywhere.
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  It's not just accepted.
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  It's promoted.
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  It's funded.
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  It's punished if you don't believe in it.
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  And also violence, I mean, obviously, lawlessness, Jesus says, and it's very passage that lawlessness
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  will increase.
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  And, you know, the fact that we try to kill our would be presidents.
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  I mean, that's lawlessness of writing in the street.
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  So what's going on all over the world with the wars that are happening?
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  So all these things, I think mirror the days of Noah, but in the last days, in the actual
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  tribulation period, it's going to be martygrant on steroids in terms of immorality.
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  It's going to be violence at a level and at a scale that we've never seen.
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  And the really the chaos and the panic that's going to follow the rapture event, David,
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  I believe is going to create a lot of this that we're going to see here in the last days.
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  Wow, I mean, this is frightening if you think about that when the church is removed,
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  what this world is going to look like.
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  And you said chaos and it's really, I mean, we can kind of think about it.
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  It's really hard to imagine.
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  But I want to move on.
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  We're running out of time.
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  It's going so quickly today.
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  Part four, this is what a lot of people, I think, Jeff Kinley want to know, how should
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  we prepare?
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  How should last days believers, what are we to do?
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  We understand these things are coming.
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  We understand kind of where we're at.
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  We're trying to discern the times and redeem the time too.
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  So tell us about that section.
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  How should last days believers prepare?
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  It's a very exciting section of the book and of Matthew, chapter 24 and 25.
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  And what I see there, what Jesus does, he tells them some parables here.
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  Because he's speaking to the Jewish believers there, really all the Jewish people in the
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  tribulation period that are awaiting their potential Messiah.
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  So if the Messiah is going to come, what should they be doing?
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  Well, he tells them number one, be on the alert, secondly, be faithful, be awake and be
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  wise with what you've been given.
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  And all of those things, all these principles will apply very specifically to that generation
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  that is alive during the tribulation.
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  I think both Jews and Gentile that are believers.
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  But those principles retroactively apply to us as well.
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  Because here we are not looking at the second coming anticipating that, but looking at the
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  rapture that's coming and certainly being alert, certainly being awake.
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  In fact, Jesus said to the church at Sardis and Revelation three, two, wake up.
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  And so Christians need to open their eyes.
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  And David, I think the best way to do that is to dive into the Word of God and let the
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  Word of God, seriously, just dilate our heart and our mind and our spirits and get us
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  to be able to see and be discerning about what's taking place in the world.
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  And they go, okay, God, what do I do?
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  How do I stand?
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  How do I speak?
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  How do I go forth in this life and in this times that you've given me?
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  So great lesson that Jesus gives us all in those chapters.
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  Yeah, what I'm hearing is eternal perspective, but doing what we're called to do as believers,
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  we kind of lose the being salt and light.
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  We've kind of lost that a little bit in America, but these are all kind of action.
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  Be on the alert.
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  So we have to watch, be watchful, understand from the biblical perspective, be a faithful
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  steward.
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  We've been given time, talents, treasure, money, gifts, talent, we can use while we're
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  here for the kingdom, be awake, be wise with what you've been given.
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  And there's where the responsibility comes in.
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  I love that section, Jeff, as you described it and went through that, be wise with what
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  we're given.
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  My goodness, I want to hear well done.
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  And sometimes I feel like I've got so much work that I need to do, you know, to get to
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  that point.
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  I want to speak a little bit more to that before we move on.
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  Yeah.
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  Absolutely.
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  In fact, on the issue of stewardship, I mean, you know, obviously we're in the middle
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  right now as we're broadcasting this in the middle of an election season.
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  If indeed President Trump gets an office, which obviously there's a deep contrast between
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  the two candidates, one is more friendly to Christianity and to Israel than the other.
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  If that happens, then we have to take that as an opportunity of stewardship, because
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  they're going to be opportunities, they're going to be persecution still, but opportunities
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  created through another administration that maybe we didn't have in this administration,
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  we can't sit back, we can't get in our lazy boy, we can say, well, he's going to do it
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  for us.
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  We've got to be intentional about being moving forward in terms of bringing the gospel,
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  discipling others, and taking advantage of this window of opportunity that we may not
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  ever have again.
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  So I'm looking at, because we're running about five minutes left in the podcast here,
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  just looking at the last couple of chapters and I can't help but take my eyes off of 19,
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  because it's just so comforting and you go to Matthew 26 for this, Jesus offers the
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  way out.
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  I'm sure whatever you want, Jeff, I don't want to give everything away in your book,
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  but this is such an important chapter, I believe.
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  It really is, because it really centers on the gospel of Jesus himself.
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  I mean, here we got Jesus talking about his own death in that passage there, and you
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  know, if you get to that point in the book, whether you're a skeptic or an unbeliever or
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  obviously even a believer, you get to that point and you realize, you know, really the
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  reason why I'm still here is so that I can know God right now, so that I can have my
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  sense forgiven, I can be rightly related to God so that I, A, will be rescued from this
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  coming time, and B, I can help others get on the ark, if you will, to be saved from that
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  coming global judgment that God prophesies in Revelation in Matthew 24, so yeah, it's
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  a critical chapter that everybody should pay attention to.
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  So those first couple verses, how many times we only know what's written and we, I don't
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  know if you would speculate or you would say, Jesus probably shared these truths many,
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  many more times than what we have in the gospels that he was going to be, he said to his followers,
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  I'm going to be handed over, I'm going to be, you know, tortured, crucified, I will die,
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  I'll be buried on the third day, I will rise and they're probably going, what is he
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  talking about? You know, I don't, I try not to look down my nose at the disciples and
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  thinking, would I have grasped, you know, in that context, Jewish followers, they have
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  their ideas of the Messiah, right? So share a little bit more about that, Jeff.
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  Yeah, this paradigm they had about the Messiah was that, and that's why they asked the question
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  at the beginning of Matthew 24, you know, what will be the sign of your coming, the Messiah's
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  coming in the end of the age, those two things were the same thing, the end of the age coincided
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  with the coming of the Messiah. So if you're the Messiah and you're here, we're at the end
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  of the age, right? And yet, so when Jesus was arrested and crucified and dead, I mean,
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  talk about having your bubble burst, talk about having your world just kicked out from underneath
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  your feet. I mean, there was nothing left. Everything they had believed in in terms of their
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  ju, what they're understanding of their Jewish faith was, was gone. And the resurrection
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  became the game changer for them. But even then you have the disciples in the Mount of
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  Olives saying, okay, are you going to do it now? Is now the time you're going to restore
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  the kingdom? They still didn't understand God's in times events. And so, you know, Christ
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  had to explain to him just wait on that for a while. Right now, you need to be the church
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  going to the, to Pentecost there and receive the Holy Spirit and get out about the business
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  of me and my witnesses. So again, you know, yeah, I try to look down on those to them as
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  well, because they were living this whole thing in real time. We got the whole Bible
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  to give it. And even if we don't get it sometimes, we've got Bibles in front of us. So, you
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  know, I have to give them a little bit of grace. Yeah, we've got God's Word, the Scriptures
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  and we're going to, you know, we're trying to figure things out and interpret things.
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  And, but I think you point out some very good things and we forget the context. These
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  were men and most of them not educated. That was pointed out many times, but they spent
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  three years with Jesus. And it took a little time for them to kind of grasp after he was
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  in the tomb because they were behind locked doors for fear of the Jews, but then look
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  at these bold men that changed the world and flipped it upside down. Final thoughts,
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  Jeff. Yeah, again, this is, I think one of the most exciting times in human history to be alive.
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  And this again is critical intel that Jesus gives us. So every Christian needs to grasp a hold
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  of what Christ said about the end time so that you can have a confident, clear and hopeful message
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  for this generation. Amen. So friends, again, you can go to the prophecy prose podcast on YouTube,
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  also Jeff's vintage truth TV. He's got a Harbinger's page. They have him up there and they've
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  got our interviews there, which is a blessing. And the book on Amazon, the end of the world according
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  to Jesus of Nazareth just came out in recent days. So brother, I pray that God will continue to use
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  you. He already is big time that he would even more so expand your territory. Just thankful for
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  all you do. Again, just astounds me. I get tired just looking at your schedule and all, all
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  that you're doing, but you're definitely a blessing to the body of Christ. And I hope more people
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  are going to start learning and watching and paying attention, doing some of the things you
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  write about. So appreciate your time, brother. Thanks. Thank you so much, David. God bless you.
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  All right. Lord willing, we'll talk again. Jeff Kinley.com, friends, check out some of his many,
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  many great podcasts. And if you want to check out the events, by the way, your church go to
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  a speaking schedule and check out some of the events coming up. So guys, I have the schedule
• 27:07
  in front of me. And I'm just kind of scrambling for it. Now tomorrow, Brian Thomas discerning the
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  Times podcast and wow, just so much to talk about. He is a great brother in the Lord. We talk about
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  idolatry in the body of Christ when it comes to quote unquote politics, right? Anyway, wow,
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  so much going on. But if our hope and faith are in Christ and our we are on that sure foundation
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  and that hope is an anchor to our soul, friends, no matter what's happening out there. God bless you
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  and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.