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Episode 14: Skaven · The Bad Moon's Orbit

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  Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of The Bad
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  Moon's Orbit. I am, as always, your Warlock
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  engineer, Dalton Montgomery. And I'm Darren Smart and gang,
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  you're lucky I'm here tonight. Tonight we are going to speak
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  talk about the fifth of the four Chaos gods, the one who was
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  never meant to be part of this little exclusive club.
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  That's right, today's episode is about the Great Horned Rat.
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  I for real forgot this dude. I so forgot about him.
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  That's honestly that's kind of a common theme.
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  The 5th amongst 4. He is the most clandestine of
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  the Chaos God. He's generally kind of content
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  to do his own thing, and a lot of that is because of his
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  relationship with the Scaven, right of all.
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  Yeah, there's our rat boys. Yeah, of all the Chaos gods, the
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  Great Horned Rat is the only one who has like his own group of
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  mortals, right? Like humans were created by the
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  Old Ones, Dwarves and Elves are created by the Old Ones.
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  The Chaos Gods just muscled in and corrupted them.
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  The Great Horned Rat made the Scaven.
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  He sees them as his property. Property is the word there.
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  We gotta unlock that. One is he's terrible.
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  So let's talk a little bit about the great horn rat.
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  We got a picture of him in the the visual aid I.
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  Like him? I like his skull face.
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  I wasn't picturing skull face. He's pretty fucking cool.
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  He's very cool. He got them great horns.
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  Yeah, I've made the comparison to the Horn King from Black
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  Cauldron before, and I will likely do so again.
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  Oh, I saw the next image. What the fuck?
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  I don't remember what this. Is he's great, He's very
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  upsetting. He's got evil little glyphs
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  floating around and he's got this really great manicure,
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  which I respect. Yeah, he got them them claws for
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  picking it stuff. And they got glowy glyphs on
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  him. Yeah, the who's?
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  This little guy he's screaming at?
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  I think it's just a rat. Yeah, it's just a Scaven.
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  For size comparison, when we say great horned rat, that's not a
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  fucking drug. Imagine if you were screaming at
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  a grasshopper. He real big, real big.
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  And that is actually an image of the great horn rat before he
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  ascended to true chaos godhood. Yeah 'cause so the great horned
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  rat in the world it was was always like a chaos entity.
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  He was basically just a very powerful demon.
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  Oh yeah, OK, he so when the world was destroyed, right
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  Archaeon they ever chosen, led the Warriors of Chaos in the
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  destruction of the world, fought Sigmar in the dying embers of
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  the world that was as everything snuffed to black.
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  The Warriors of Chaos largely were able to succeed because
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  Archaeon brokered an alliance between the Warriors of Chaos
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  and the Scaven. OK, that's right.
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  Because the Scaven were just like not.
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  They had no respect. No, yes, this.
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  Really could have been avoided if someone had treated Scaven as
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  if they were like, you know, part of this goddamn world.
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  Yep, the official thing in the empire, the Empire of man which
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  was where like Sigmar was worshipped in the old world.
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  The official stance was Scaven aren't real.
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  That's right. That was so fucking weird.
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  What? In the Old world Scaven
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  outnumber everybody else in existence 100 to one.
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  There are always more rants and in any get at any given time
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  right in a human settlement, if that settlement has a population
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  of 5000 people, there are 50,000 scape and beneath the
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  floorboards. Are they, like, I mean, this
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  little dude in the picture has an outfit on?
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  Yeah. So they like, have culture.
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  Oh yeah, they are of human, often more than human,
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  intelligence. Yeah, they're not.
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  Just like Ross. No.
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  ROUS. S Yeah.
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  Rodents of unusual size. Yeah, I always forget to you.
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  Skeven in many aspects are like smarter than people, like
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  smarter than humans. They have a couple of things
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  stacked up against them for why they tend to be terrible, but in
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  the old world, we're not going to talk a ton about them.
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  In the old world, the big notes is the Empire didn't believe
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  skeven were real. Or rather, the official line was
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  that Skeven weren't real because the Empire thought that the
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  average person knowing that there were a dozen Scaven
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  underneath their house at any given moment, it would just
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  cause mass panic. There'd be no.
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  Aliens. Yeah, there'd be no way to
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  contain like the population, like keep business as normal.
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  Sure, food might go missing occasionally, or people might
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  disappear, but. They're just straight up people.
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  Yeah, people disappear all the time.
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  Yeah, it's a relatively medieval society.
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  Sometimes people just go missing.
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  Whatever, It doesn't mean the huge humanoid rats are real.
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  Don't worry about it. What do you think?
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  Just because your uncle was missing huge humanoid rats are
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  real. Yeah, OK.
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  Just as you. Saw a huge humanoid rat, you
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  think? Drag your uncle down into the
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  series. You think huge humanity?
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  Rats are here, it's given a roughly like human size.
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  They're a little bit smaller, but not much.
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  It's hard to measure because they're like they have rat
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  posture, so. They're a little hunched.
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  Yeah, they're hunched. They're they kind of skitter and
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  scurry. They're comfortable underground.
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  And and these are not going to be our cute rush.
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  This is not our our symbol usually Fern from the legends
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  and lattes books. These are unpleasant.
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  Yes, they are very much on the. Listen, if you offered one the
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  opportunity to join a baking show, what they do it.
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  Maybe OK they have a spark for creativity like scabin are very
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  smart. I don't want to undersell that
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  like scabens accomplishments and like the field of technology
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  rival dwarfs. It's just that they have a bunch
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  of title factor significance. Oh, bummer.
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  Yeah, yeah. On the Secret and Nim sliding
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  scale, they all land very solidly with like the really old
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  like rat wizard slash engineer. Yeah, that's all where they kind
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  of land. Life is hard for a Scaven.
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  But yeah, Scaven collectively reach a deal with Archaeon,
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  negotiated through the Great Horn Rat.
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  Basically they will help end the world and in exchange the great
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  hard Rat we'll get to claim like all of that loose magic and like
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  a bunch of the souls that die as a result of that.
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  Yeah, OK, OK. You said the grey horn rat was
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  just a demon before. Basically.
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  Whose demon was he? He's a chaos entity, yeah, which
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  is a nice way of saying he's above a demon, but he's not
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  aligned with any of the other 4. Are there others like that?
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  There are other unaligned demons, and there are other
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  chaos entities, but they're shaky.
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  Like. Because of the nature of the
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  realm of chaos, anything that's less powerful than like a full
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  on chaos God tends to kind of flicker in and out of real.
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  Exactly. Like there were periods where
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  the great horned rat was just like completely dormant because
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  he wasn't in the ascendant. He couldn't meaningfully
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  influence stuff. We happen to drop into this
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  world where there's an entire massive underground rat
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  population and all of a sudden we happen to have a chaos entity
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  that is a literal great horned rat.
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  Well, that came the other way around.
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  The Great Horn Rat made the Scaven.
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  Wait for real? He made the Scaven.
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  Yeah, Oh yeah, there were no Scaven.
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  The Great Horn Rat made them in his image.
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  You did say that, but I remember.
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  Wait, hold on. What?
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  So let's talk about escape and play.
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  So all of this is apocryphal with with.
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  Canon adjacent. Yeah, yeah, with there's a thing
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  that Warhammer writing likes to do where if we're talking about
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  doors or elves are human, this is a historical record, but if
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  we're talking about like orcs or Scaven or ogres, cultures that
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  generally wouldn't keep like great written records 0.
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  This is like oral. Yes, it's more of a yeah.
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  It's more of like a wizard heard this from a guy who heard it
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  from his floorboards. Well, the insomnia is real bad
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  tonight. So the story goes.
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  Just because you heard whispering under your floorboard
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  doesn't mean the giant humanoid rats are real.
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  Maybe you need to take some melatonin before bed.
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  I. I think you should pray to
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  Sigmar harder. Sigmar God yet?
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  Yeah. Why does Sigmar become a God?
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  Very early. Yeah cuz he punched that one he
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  ate that one during the face so hard.
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  I. Was gonna say he, he he blasted
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  Nagash back into death. Yeah, yeah.
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  But he wasn't a God yet. No, that was part of like his
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  lead up to becoming a God. Yeah.
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  He basically like Sigmar united the human tribes.
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  He fought off Nagash from his like fledgling empire.
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  He led the empire through the 1st like 15 years of his
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  existence. And he basically did a like.
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  I have done all I can do for you like this.
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  He left his hammer behind and he wandered into the blades edge
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  mountains and no one saw him again.
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  And then he was a God after that and we don't know what happened
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  in the intro. OK, cool, cool.
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  Yeah, All right, All right, 'cause I was like, he was he
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  anchored with one of the magic things.
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  Yeah, during the end times, he embodied the body of Karl Franz,
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  the then. Emperor of the Empire.
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  OK, OK, OK. That's that's the thing.
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  There was a dude. Yes, because all the dudes were
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  embodying gods. Yeah, who were also.
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  And that was, oh, it was the dude.
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  A mortal person and a God together is what anchored the
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  wits. Yes.
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  Thank you. Yeah, you got it.
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  OK, OK, You got Ungram, Iron Fist and Grim Near.
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  And everyone else who rolled up in the new world are all the
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  dudes. Yeah, half dudes are Elvin dudes
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  because all the Elvin gods died. Or the the gods if they were
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  available, right? Because we got Grimmer, who was
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  a God, and Grumley who was a God, and Gorka who was a God.
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  Seems awfully. Convenient, but all the elephant
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  gods died so we got techless instead.
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  God. Damn it.
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  All right, so great. Horner rolled up and made this
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  given. Yeah, when did?
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  He make. This given we don't know how
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  long Stavin have existed. Again, it's that kind of
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  apocryphalness of it. Like this is just a story heard
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  by a wizard heard by another guy of how this Gavin came into
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  being. So this could be not true.
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  Yeah, absolutely. We don't.
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  Know the greyhound rat could be telling them this so they worked
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  for. Also true.
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  Listen, I just want one of them to get to be a Baker, so I'm
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  fully prepared. The The Great Horned Rat is
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  nothing if not deceitful, but the story goes that there was a
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  human settlement that a mysterious stranger rolled up on
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  one day and said. I have this ritual that will
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  give you everything you could possibly want.
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  You are you are chafing under the yoke of the empire.
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  It would give you the power you need to break away from that.
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  It would let you carve your own destiny.
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  All I need you to do is build me this tower high as it can go.
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  Listen, let me tell you some stories about towers that will
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  decide they can go. Yeah, right.
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  Also, are you familiar with the Major Arcana in Tarot?
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  I was going to say the the number. 17 is the tower.
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  The tower is illustrative here. So this is humans element
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  agrees. This human salmon agrees.
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  They say. Yep, sounds like.
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  A good deal. Agrees.
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  Agrees. It has a spelling.
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  Tell me what dumb spelling they picked for this.
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  This the name of the settlement has been lost to time again
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  apocryphal story but. I choose not to believe any of
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  this happened. I think this gave one We're
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  always around. That's fair.
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  They build this tower requested by this mysterious traveler and
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  it gets to the point like he gives them the specifications
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  and it seems like however high they build it, it's never close
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  enough. Like the first half of it takes
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  a month, the second quarter takes another, the next couple
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  of inches take two more. Like, it just gets away from
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  them the longer that they keep building it, until they have
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  stripped their houses and buildings clean for materials to
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  build this tower higher. But eventually they complete it,
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  this huge, ramshackle, terrible tower rising like a Spire above
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  everything else in the landscape.
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  And that stranger comes back, and he says, you've done very
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  good here. I have a gift, the culmination
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  of all that power I promised you.
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  And he places a brass bell at the highest point of the tower.
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  Like a little brass bell or a bell.
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  Huge brass bell. I have no idea why skaven are
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  associated with bells by the way.
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  Cuz Nergal is also associated with bells but for him it's ask
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  not for who the bell tolls thing like corpse carts and that kind
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  of thing. No idea why Skaven are
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  associated with bells, they just are.
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  Fucking weird. OK, go off I.
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  Guess he plays a huge brass bell at the top of the tower and it
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  starts to ring. And as the story goes, on the
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  13th toll, which is the great horned rats, holy number, all of
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  the people in the village had been turned into Scaven, and
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  horrified of what they'd become, they and with no buildings left,
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  they'd stripped them all clean to construct their tower.
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  They burrowed into the earth. And that was the beginning of
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  Scaven. I feel like if chaos entities
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  could just do that right, we would have more than one
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  example. You would think but the great
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  horned rat kind of exists as an anomaly even amongst chaos
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  entities. Like yeah cuz he's the only,
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  he's the only chaos God. So steeping forward through the
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  end times like this gave and helped the words of chaos and
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  the world. The Great Run Rat snatches up
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  all the loose magic, swashing around after a world goes kaput.
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  Made himself a chaos. Guy, Yep, ascends to the
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  position. Joined the club but didn't get a
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  jacket. Yes, absolutely.
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  Yeah, not recognized by the other 4.
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  So you don't recognize you have a seat on this council?
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  We do not recognize you. We do not.
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  What is it? We do not give you the rank of
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  master. Yep, a sense to full chaos
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  godhood. But there are, yeah, there are
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  elements where he is out of sync with the other four that are
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  telling of the fact that he like stole his position as the 5th
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  chaos God. The one people tend to know is
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  first. All the other chaos gots holy
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  numbers 986 and seven are single digit.
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  The Great Horn Rats is 13. That's a way and that's such as
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  like a one off that's like 4 higher.
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  Yes, it's bigger than the others and it's 2 digits, which sells
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  that like. This is subtly wrong feeling
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  right though. If you add the digits together
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  you get 4. I think of that the.
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  Smallest of the chaos God's holy numbers.
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  I thought about that, but I did let myself go too deep down
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  there because then we had the whole nine thing again and I
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  just couldn't revisit that. Couldn't revisit the nine thing
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  that's. Fair in in the world, it was
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  that city that created the first Skave and supposedly would come
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  to be the city of Skave and Blight, which was the capital of
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  Scavendum in the old world. Scavendum is the proper
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  collective, by the way. Yeah.
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  Awesome. Yeah.
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  Perfect. Yep, just a huge labyrinthian
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  nightmare beneath that big tower in the southern part of the
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  empire where Scaven used to live, but then the world got
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  blown up. The world got blown up.
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  I don't know. I think, listen, it's
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  apocryphal. So I would totally believe that
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  the scape we were running around and then the great horn rat
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  rolled up and implanted that as part of the oral storytellers.
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  And so when he rolled up and said, hey, I need you all to
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  side with this other dude who wants to literally break the
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  world they have, there are way less folks are going to be like,
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  maybe we shouldn't listen to this guy.
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  Obviously we're going to listen to this guy.
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  One, this world treats just like shit.
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  Two, he made us so clearly we're supposed to be on this guy's
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  side. Yeah.
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  And it just seems awfully convenient.
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  He's like, great, if I have a big ol army I can make a deal
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  and make sure we win and then I get all of the extra magic
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  consoles and then I get to be big, big guy in the club.
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  Yeah, just say it. Either way, it could work.
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  The Great Hornrat is nothing if not a terrible liar.
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  Like, I'm not terrible as in bad at it.
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  Terrible as he does it all the time.
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  Yeah, and. A terrible, lying asshole.
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  Yep, and does not have the best interests of anybody but himself
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  in mind, including this haven during the end times when it was
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  clear that Cass was going to win.
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  Arguably the only kind of thing he ever did for the Scaven that
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  even that's debatable. He probably just wanted to keep
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  them around. He just like sent out a message
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  into the brain of every scaven to book it for scaven blight.
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  And then when the world ended, when everything got sucked into
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  non existence, the great horn rat carved the tunnels below
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  scaven blight out of existence and pulled them into the realm
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  of chaos. OK that's preserving all the
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  scaven that had made it there in the realm of chaos.
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  I. Can't let anyone else getting
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  those souls. Exactly.
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  Can't let them get the souls, Doesn't have to make them again.
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  Doesn't happen if he did make them.
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  If he did make them all, at the very least he knew this paid off
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  really well for me. I want this for the future.
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  Yes, I'm gonna need to pull this trick more times.
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  Yes. So skip forward to the Age of
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  Chaos. The Great Horned Rat ascend into
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  the position of the 5th Chaos God.
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  But again, the others don't recognize him.
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  They don't like him. Archaeon doesn't like him or
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  recognize him. Archaeon is the ever chosen of
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  the four Chaos Gods. The Great Horn Rat's also here,
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  but he's not gonna debase himself.
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  And the great horn rat is also. Here, Yep.
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  That should be the name of the episode, and the Great Horn Rat
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  is also here. Skip forward to the start of the
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  Age of chaos. So we've been talking about how
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  the other chaos gods entered into the realms the issues of
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  mortals that led them to come here the all the little things
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  that mortals did that fucked up like calling the chaos gods into
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  the world. Great Horn Rat didn't have to do
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  any of that. Oh, he.
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  Just yeah. He pulls Cave and Blight back
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  out of the realm of Chaos and just hangs it in the sky above
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  the mortal realm. So, you know, plants it as its
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  own like realm in the mortal realms doing a trick.
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  He's very good at making it the ninth of eight realms.
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  And from there basically just tells the Scaven like
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  congratulations, you're back, go on go go do Scaven shit
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  basically. Kind of their whole thing is
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  we're on the ground of people and you just put them in the
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  sky. That feels hard for them to do
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  Scaven things like the one thing live under the four boards.
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  He didn't teach them this probably, but it appears that
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  Scaven learned a lot while they were trapped in the realm of
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  chaos. Specifically about how to
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  navigate Chaos. Because unlike I said, like the
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  demons who have to have. Like rifts toward in reality
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  that they can seep through or cultists to call them in.
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  The Scaven basically just start burrowing through the folds of
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  reality out from Scavenblight into the other realms.
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  That's cool. Cool and upsetting, right?
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  Yeah, that's very cool and upsetting.
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  Skeevin are still mortal, but they've definitely caught like a
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  whiff of just raw Chaos potency because yeah, they can just kind
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  of tunnel through reality now. That'll happen.
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  Which is horrifying. All of that normal.
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  Like there might be a bunch of skeevin underneath your
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  floorboards right now, with the bonus fun feature of they can
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  just kind of pop out anywhere. God.
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  Damn it. Nah, holes is what they call
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  them. Yeah, OK, good name.
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  You're right. Lots of solid names in this one,
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  right? Yeah, No notes.
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  Given not the roots of reality inspiration, yeah.
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  Yeah, like Nidhogg in the World Tree.
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  Yep. That's the inspiration.
• 21:04
  So when are we going to talk about this Last Supper motif?
• 21:07
  I'm not going. Yeah.
• 21:08
  I want to get to the last separate motif.
• 21:09
  It's topical because the Olympics just happened.
• 21:12
  That just. Happened even though that wasn't
• 21:14
  it at all and it was a literal Dionysian reference, right
• 21:18
  actually. Right.
• 21:20
  So, yeah, we already talked a little bit about the great horn
• 21:23
  rat. Let's talk about Scaven
• 21:24
  themselves. So in both the the world that
• 21:28
  was and in the realm of Chaos and now in the new in the Mortal
• 21:32
  Realms, Scaven traditionally have you, you may ask that
• 21:36
  question before, like, oh, that scaven's wearing clothes.
• 21:38
  They have culture, Scaven arguably have a stronger culture
• 21:42
  than a lot of groups in the setting.
• 21:44
  Skiven have a species wide ruling council.
• 21:48
  Whoa the skiven have the UN? Yeah.
• 21:52
  Skiven Society is overseen traditionally by the council of
• 21:56
  13 of. Course it is.
• 21:58
  Right, the Council of 13 meets in Skiven Blight.
• 22:01
  It is made-up of 12 representatives from the 12
• 22:04
  strongest clans. OK, with the 13th spot left open
• 22:07
  for the Great Horncrab, of course they always meet at a
• 22:10
  circular table. The most prestigious positions
• 22:12
  on the Council of 13 are the first spot and the 12th spot
• 22:15
  because at a circular table those are the spots closest to
• 22:18
  the Great Horn Rat seat. Does the Great Horn Rat show up
• 22:24
  for meetings? No.
• 22:26
  It is. I think he did but it.
• 22:27
  Is left open as an honorific right.
• 22:29
  That makes. Sense if he ever were to show up
• 22:31
  for a meeting, they wouldn't want his seat filled.
• 22:34
  No, that's why is it 13. So if there can, there can never
• 22:39
  be a tie. Correct?
• 22:41
  You just hope the Great Horn Rat shows up for any tiebreakers.
• 22:45
  You'd never have a position. Yeah, where all Skiven can,
• 22:48
  like, work together is the idea. There's always going to be
• 22:51
  fractions, and it's very easy for there to be like a majority
• 22:54
  that overwhelms a minority. Skiven are kind of shitty, but
• 22:58
  it's not their fault. It's not their fault.
• 23:01
  It can be a little bit their fault, but it's not really their
• 23:03
  fault. But yeah, that image is one of
• 23:06
  my favorite pieces of art of Scaven.
• 23:08
  That is actually the the Council of 13 during the End Times.
• 23:12
  So those are the heads of the great clans.
• 23:15
  They do look like the rats of Nim.
• 23:17
  Right. Like all of them, they all look
• 23:20
  like the scary rat in the rats of.
• 23:24
  Nim, Listen, if there's anything you could call Scaven, it is the
• 23:26
  scary rat from The Secret of Nim.
• 23:28
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 23:30
  You can see they all have very different, like there's one in
• 23:33
  like heavy armor and there's one with like a gas mask apparatus
• 23:36
  on him. Yeah, each of the clans is like
• 23:38
  very diverse. They have different ideas of
• 23:41
  what makes like scaving them good and strong these.
• 23:45
  Dudes at the end, the three at the far side who are just
• 23:47
  looking at their buddy, like right this guy.
• 23:52
  Locked in an. Army Horned Rat's chair is just
• 23:54
  glowing upsettingly. Yeah, the Council of 13 has
• 24:00
  always ruled Scavendom. Like I said, from the Old World
• 24:03
  into the realm of Chaos into the New World.
• 24:06
  What did they have to do in the realm of Chaos?
• 24:10
  What were you ruling about? What petty fucking problems did
• 24:12
  you all have to deal with in the realm of goddamn chaos?
• 24:15
  They mostly in fought, they mostly cause the council 13
• 24:20
  staffed by the 12 most powerful clans.
• 24:22
  They're way more than 12 scaven clans.
• 24:25
  So just a lot of power play, a lot of political machinations, a
• 24:29
  lot of clandestine murder. You know, yeah, the things you
• 24:34
  do for power when you're kind of insulated from like outside
• 24:38
  consequence. This all played intense
• 24:41
  political gaming gamesmanship basically.
• 24:43
  Could they die in the realm of. Chaos.
• 24:46
  Frequently, it's much easier to die in the realm of chaos than
• 24:51
  outside it. Wasn't sure.
• 24:52
  OK. We talked a little bit about
• 24:54
  like the things allied against Scaven, like the the reasons why
• 24:59
  they kind of have it rough. While it's hard for Skeven to
• 25:03
  kind of rise above the things that they do.
• 25:06
  And those are you can kind of split those into supernatural
• 25:11
  and consequence of how Scaven are almost a physiological
• 25:16
  problem. So on the supernatural end,
• 25:19
  yeah, the great horn rat claims Scaven sees them as his
• 25:24
  property, tells them what is best to do in the world.
• 25:27
  And the Great Horn Rat, to put it mildly, sucks ass.
• 25:31
  He is the most evil of the chaos gods by a wide margin.
• 25:35
  He is explicitly the worst parts of the other 4.
• 25:40
  That's so interesting, I had not considered like we talked about
• 25:45
  grandpa. Nergal.
• 25:47
  Nergal. I had Nergal and I was convinced
• 25:49
  that can't be right. That's not a gross enough sound.
• 25:51
  Nergal and how he's perhaps less malicious than the others due to
• 25:59
  his very nature, but even still I was like viewing them as all
• 26:03
  being like on the same. If you put them on the scale,
• 26:07
  they're all bringing down the scale the same amount, just in
• 26:11
  different ways of different materials.
• 26:13
  Absolutely. I'm not considered that one
• 26:15
  could be actually worse than the rest of them.
• 26:19
  So here's how it plays out, right?
• 26:22
  Corn. Corn is violence.
• 26:24
  He's violence for violence's own sake and that.
• 26:27
  Skull for the Skull throne. Yeah, and that eventually leads
• 26:31
  people who worship him to do mindless violence.
• 26:34
  The Great Horn Rat starts from a place of senseless violence.
• 26:38
  Scaven are industrial, they can make machines and all sorts of
• 26:43
  incredibly good like mechanical apparatus.
• 26:45
  We listen, we're joking about the rats of Nim, just as like a
• 26:49
  hot reference, right? These are based on the rats of
• 26:52
  Nim. Maybe.
• 26:54
  Maybe. Like.
• 26:56
  Originated in the 80s so I don't know how the timeline works out
• 26:58
  there, but. It was a book first.
• 27:01
  They are. The running joke is that Skeevin
• 27:06
  are a enemy only the British could conjure because they're
• 27:10
  they're big rats who spread disease and have industrial
• 27:13
  accidents. Listen, the movie Secret of Nim
• 27:17
  came out in 1982. Okay, definitely.
• 27:20
  And then floats there, then yes. You're gonna look at the old
• 27:26
  scary rat from The Secret of Nim.
• 27:29
  You tell me he's not on the cancel of 13.
• 27:35
  Talking talking about how the great horn rat is the worst of
• 27:38
  the others. So like I said, Scaven can
• 27:40
  create machinery that can create industry.
• 27:42
  Also, the book was published in the 70s.
• 27:44
  Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 27:46
  It's an American book, an American movie, which I will
• 27:49
  admit does surprise me. I definitely thought it was
• 27:53
  British. I knew the movie was American.
• 27:55
  Because Tom Blue. Yeah, Yeah.
• 27:57
  One of the leading causes of death in Skeiven society is just
• 28:01
  like getting crushed in industrial equipment roof it is
• 28:04
  being we. Need OSHA right now.
• 28:07
  It is being trampled when everybody like goes to grab
• 28:11
  food. It is we.
• 28:12
  Need crowd control? Yeah, it is just dying for no
• 28:16
  reason. Someone called the people at
• 28:18
  Disney. So the Great horned Rat is
• 28:21
  violent without purpose even not even the like self satisfying,
• 28:26
  like ingratiation that you get from corn eventually if you
• 28:29
  follow his path. Nowhere approaching the honor of
• 28:32
  like an honorable combatant. The Great Horned Rat creates
• 28:36
  violence. That is just violence, not even
• 28:38
  for its own sake, purposely or purposelessly.
• 28:42
  What a dickhead. The Great Horn Rat spreads
• 28:46
  disease not as part of a huge cycle, but explicitly with the
• 28:50
  intent to cause harm. Steven are strongly associated
• 28:53
  with plague again, British company Black Death, and that is
• 28:58
  how you resemble Nergal. Scaven society is treacherous
• 29:03
  and backstabby, again without reason.
• 29:05
  You look at these. Dudes at that table, none of
• 29:07
  them are friends. I said these dudes are buddies,
• 29:09
  but that meant that's not like, none.
• 29:12
  They're not friends. Treachery and backstabbing, no
• 29:14
  hope. The highest you're going to
• 29:16
  climb in scape society is still scaven society and there will be
• 29:19
  a knife in your back before you know it.
• 29:21
  So that's his like pollution to the zinch and God if Skiven or
• 29:27
  anything they are excessive but there is no joy to it.
• 29:31
  About excessive without any sort of pleasure in it.
• 29:34
  Interesting. Yeah, that sucks, right?
• 29:38
  Yeah, don't know how you come out from that.
• 29:41
  It's rough being escaping and then outside of the real.
• 29:45
  Problem is that the world that was and then the realms don't
• 29:49
  have any tabasi running around. That's a real fucking this
• 29:52
  happens. You don't have any cats?
• 29:53
  Yeah, deal with the rat problem. It's always more rat, so that's
• 29:57
  the like supernatural reason why.
• 29:59
  So the good thing about cats is they love to murder.
• 30:01
  It's true. You're not wrong you.
• 30:02
  Give me a lot of rats, I'll give you 1 fucking feral tomcat.
• 30:05
  You don't have a rat problem. How many fucking rats there are?
• 30:08
  Yeah, maybe they don't kill them all, but like you don't have a
• 30:10
  rat problem anymore. You have there are some rats.
• 30:12
  There are some rats, there's a couple rats.
• 30:15
  You don't have the rats dragged my uncle into the fucking sewers
• 30:18
  anymore. You have I heard a rumor there
• 30:20
  was a rat? Outside of their like
• 30:24
  supernatural issues again like all scaven are driven to be more
• 30:27
  like the great horn rat by his divine influence.
• 30:30
  Like that makes it hard to build community.
• 30:32
  The other thing that makes it hard to just like exist in a
• 30:35
  scaven in the world is like the physical reality of being
• 30:38
  scaven. Imagine like a medieval person.
• 30:43
  Like the standard for medieval humans for a long time, right
• 30:47
  was that you had a dozen kids hoping that 5 or 6 would
• 30:52
  survive, right? Skeven have litters of 50.
• 30:55
  That's a lot. That's a lot of Scaven, and all
• 30:59
  of those Scaven are going to grow to roughly human size, have
• 31:02
  roughly human appetites, and have roughly above average human
• 31:05
  intelligence. This industrial society could
• 31:08
  stand to invent birth control, I think.
• 31:11
  It could, but they don't want to, because drowning the world
• 31:14
  in rats is one of the great hard.
• 31:16
  Well, it's excess and playing and all the other things.
• 31:19
  It's not good for Scaven, no. No, the average life expectancy
• 31:23
  for a scaven is like three years.
• 31:26
  That's. Not very long at all.
• 31:27
  That's not their natural lifespan, it's just that a lot
• 31:30
  of scaven die within like days of being born because.
• 31:33
  Oh so it's like the people used to live a lot younger and that
• 31:36
  wasn't because they didn't have the capacity to live to old age?
• 31:39
  Plato was an old fucking dude when he died.
• 31:41
  The wrestler. It's that plumber alert.
• 31:45
  A lot of lot of infants didn't make it out of infancy and that
• 31:49
  brought the average way though. What the fuck down?
• 31:52
  Most scaven die from accident or other scaven or just starvation
• 31:57
  because there's not enough food to go around.
• 31:59
  Yeah, there's fucking one of you makes 50.
• 32:02
  Yeah, we have a population problem.
• 32:04
  It's just a so part of the reason why Scaven kind of are
• 32:07
  the way they are and kind of have to be the way they are is
• 32:10
  because foremost Scaven, their fate is dying at 5 in an
• 32:14
  industrial accident, or being felt an uncomfortable warning,
• 32:18
  or being cannibalized by other Scaven.
• 32:21
  Because the only thing you don't have too little of is more
• 32:25
  Scaven, right? You know what I could see?
• 32:28
  I'll stand by the I don't believe the Great Horn Rat made
• 32:30
  the Scaven. I think this is fucking
• 32:32
  propaganda. I can see the Great Horn Rat
• 32:37
  twisted the Scaven. Yeah, I can do that.
• 32:40
  No population, intelligent population would ever have 50
• 32:46
  aught. They're not God damn snapping
• 32:48
  turtles that don't have the capacity to not eat their own
• 32:51
  young. Right?
• 32:52
  Like snapping turtles have so many babies and they they have
• 32:54
  no genetic idea that they shouldn't eat them.
• 32:58
  They even are smart enough that they don't need that.
• 33:02
  Humans don't have that. Like they don't naturally
• 33:05
  produce that many kids all at once because they have other
• 33:09
  environmental advantages that lead to populations tending to
• 33:13
  survive even in hard times before vaccines.
• 33:17
  But if you wanted to really fuck up a population and you have
• 33:22
  evil chaos. Magic.
• 33:26
  The first thing to do is constantly making sure that they
• 33:28
  never have a stable society by overpopulation to the point
• 33:31
  where they lack empathy because there is constantly no room for
• 33:35
  it you. Got it.
• 33:36
  You landed on it, Ski even. Learn at a very young age that
• 33:41
  friends you make today could be dead tomorrow.
• 33:43
  They learn from a very young age that those same friends will
• 33:46
  kill you if they think you'll give them an upper hand.
• 33:49
  They learn from a very young age that the people who are on top
• 33:51
  of skeven society are the people who are most willing to do
• 33:54
  whatever it takes to get there. They have no community.
• 33:58
  No, they have no community. Every single you said exactly.
• 34:01
  Every single Scaven knows for certain that their best chance
• 34:06
  of surviving is to be in charge. And that can be in charge of a
• 34:10
  small group. That can mean being in charge of
• 34:12
  a clan. That can mean being on the
• 34:14
  council of 13 just means that every single Scaven is always
• 34:18
  looking for their opportunity to screw over their fellow Scaven
• 34:21
  to be able to come out on top. And that is again not a thing.
• 34:25
  You can build a stable society. No.
• 34:27
  And that would would you would want that if you're a chaos
• 34:30
  fucking entity and you want to continue to hold power over this
• 34:35
  really powerful weapon that's smart enough to realize you're
• 34:39
  not in its best interest, correct?
• 34:42
  And that has happened before. Whoa.
• 34:43
  They're Scaven who have turned against the great horn rat.
• 34:46
  They don't they don't live long because Chaos God.
• 34:50
  We're actually going to talk about some of them here in a
• 34:52
  little bit, but it's further down in my notes.
• 34:54
  So I want to talk about we've mentioned the clans.
• 34:58
  So traditionally the Council 13 headed by the 12 most powerful
• 35:01
  clans, about half of those can be in flux pretty constantly.
• 35:06
  There's going to be a couple of big players that fall onto and
• 35:09
  off of the Council of 13, but there are 6 spots that are
• 35:13
  basically always occupied by the six same 6 clans.
• 35:17
  And that was in the Old World as well into the New World.
• 35:20
  Because so many scavens survived in scaven plight, a lot of their
• 35:23
  culture was preserved from the world.
• 35:25
  That was unlike, yeah, unlike dwarves who lost everything.
• 35:28
  And yeah, everyone, everyone had a restart.
• 35:30
  Yeah, not Scaven. What an advantage for better,
• 35:33
  for worse, because a lot of like grudges from the older world
• 35:36
  survived that jump too. It's.
• 35:37
  Crazy. But those six clans that
• 35:40
  basically always have a position on the council of 13 are
• 35:42
  referred to as the six Great clans of Scaven.
• 35:45
  Them, I know I'll talk about them because they're
• 35:47
  instrumental on the things that Scaven value as a community.
• 35:51
  Nice. OK.
• 35:52
  So the first of those is actually the smallest of the
• 35:55
  great clans. It is called the Master Clan.
• 35:59
  This is the Scaven Illuminati. Yeah, fuck yeah, let's run it.
• 36:06
  The Masters Clan are the secret ruling state behind all of
• 36:09
  Scavendem. The Council of 13 nominally has
• 36:11
  power, but everybody knows that the Master Clan is actually in
• 36:14
  charge. What, just because we're giant
• 36:16
  human or rat, you think there's a secret master plan pulling all
• 36:19
  the strings? Every so the master clan is the
• 36:26
  most homogeneous of the clans. It is entirely made-up of scaven
• 36:30
  Wizards. Non Wizards don't get an invite
• 36:33
  to the club. Well, yeah.
• 36:35
  It is, and this is going to be probably my favorite like comedy
• 36:39
  running theme amongst here. I also want to mention Skiven
• 36:43
  are by their nature like a mix of comedy and tragedy.
• 36:47
  Yeah, Scaven have like a funniness to them a lot of the
• 36:50
  time because they're they're huge rats that have machine
• 36:53
  guns. They're inherently city.
• 36:55
  Yeah, yeah, this is very fun and silly, yeah.
• 36:58
  We're going to talk about one of my favorite like, comedy running
• 37:01
  bits in Scavendom, which is that the Master Clan recruits
• 37:04
  exclusively through kidnapping. Well, I mean, they're like the
• 37:09
  fucking Jedi. Yeah, absolutely.
• 37:11
  They are also one of the three Great Clans that recruit
• 37:16
  exclusively through kidnapping. So they're not the only one.
• 37:22
  Roughly half of all the great clans.
• 37:25
  If a sceven is born with Gray fur, which is a very rare
• 37:29
  mutation amongst sceven, then they are kidnapped by the Master
• 37:32
  clan who raises them to be a Gray seer.
• 37:37
  OK, we don't know how much of this is selection bias right?
• 37:41
  But the Scaven believe that a Grayford Scaven has a natural
• 37:44
  aptitude for magic. OK, so.
• 37:46
  The Master clan kidnaps all. Grayford Scavenger trains them
• 37:50
  to be gracious. Some data on this.
• 37:52
  No, Yeah, yeah, it's just the secret.
• 37:53
  Powerful wizard code only trains Grace Scaven in the secret
• 37:57
  powerful wizard magic. Therefore, Grace Scavens are the
• 38:01
  more powerful secret Wizards. We genuinely don't know which
• 38:04
  came first, like whether the grace, the grace here is we're
• 38:08
  just themselves Gray. And we're like, Yep, we're just
• 38:10
  going to keep it Gray sears. But yeah, almost all Skeevin
• 38:13
  Wizards are Gray sears. All Gray sears are part of the
• 38:16
  master clan. No Skeevin clan worth its salt
• 38:19
  would ever not have at least a couple of Gray sears, like, on
• 38:23
  the payroll, basically. Like, it just benefits you to
• 38:26
  have a powerful wizard around. Yeah.
• 38:27
  And so by that, the grace the master clan is able to exert
• 38:33
  their influence on the rest of scamming them.
• 38:35
  Yeah, is just an entire clan of untrustworthy viziers behind the
• 38:41
  throne whispering yes to your Liege.
• 38:44
  Right? Like Grace Seers are genuinely
• 38:46
  quite powerful with magic. They are in the upper echelons
• 38:49
  of like what it means to be a good wizard in Age of Sigmar.
• 38:53
  Let's go fight techless. Yeah, right.
• 38:54
  They're not that low, but they are quite good.
• 38:57
  What if they all went and fight techless?
• 38:59
  That'd get a lot closer. They have a rituals which
• 39:04
  involve the consumption of warp stone, which is gonna be a
• 39:07
  running theme. Stop eating the raw.
• 39:09
  Can't speak that. Out warp stone is just pure
• 39:14
  concentrated chaos magic. It's the realm of chaos
• 39:17
  equivalent to like the other realm stones.
• 39:19
  Okay, and so Grace Sears train as part of their like magic
• 39:23
  training to be able to safely consume it, which augments their
• 39:26
  magical powers and often hurts them because it's not that safe.
• 39:30
  It's still raw chaos magic. Yeah, Grace Sears all grow horns
• 39:35
  to be more close to the great horned Rat.
• 39:37
  I saw the picture. There was a dude.
• 39:39
  With some horns that I thought was good and he was a great
• 39:41
  dude. Both those, both those guys are
• 39:43
  Grace Sears in that photo because the master clan is
• 39:45
  entirely Grace Sears. The one on the left or right I
• 39:50
  think is riding on a bell because that kicks ass.
• 39:53
  That's just. Riding on a bell, OK for sure.
• 39:58
  My man Steven bells that they imbue with magic, they give them
• 40:02
  warp stone. Clangers, the thing inside the
• 40:05
  bell, Whatever that's called hammer, they give them warp
• 40:09
  stone. Hammers inside the bell.
• 40:10
  Those are called screaming bells.
• 40:12
  And they empower Skiven, who can hear them and disempower
• 40:15
  everybody else. And so Grey Sears will often
• 40:18
  ride screaming bells into battle to augment their magical
• 40:21
  capabilities. Which kicks ass, cannot
• 40:25
  emphasize. That, that is very cool, right?
• 40:28
  But yeah, smallest of the great clans by far because it's all
• 40:32
  grey sears and they spread themselves into the other clans
• 40:35
  to guide and manipulate them. Basically they're the Benny
• 40:38
  Jesuit of Skiven. Next clan that has not always
• 40:46
  been one of the great clans but has definitely risen through the
• 40:49
  ranks in more recent times or more recent times in the old
• 40:54
  world. Basically Clan Pestilence.
• 40:57
  Good name, right? Good name.
• 40:59
  All right. Wow, that dude looks upset.
• 41:04
  Clan Pestilence, as their name implies, are worshippers of
• 41:07
  disease. This looks like some satanic
• 41:11
  panic art hanging in your fucking school cafeteria in
• 41:14
  1987. Yeah, they look upsetting.
• 41:19
  Very sick. Hate that for them, yeah.
• 41:24
  Someone get them on Allegra or like a behind the counter
• 41:28
  Sudafed. So Clan Pestilence actually
• 41:32
  started as like a splinter group from the main faction of Scaven
• 41:36
  in the Old World. They basically by accident, fell
• 41:40
  into the worship of Nergal because disease, and they had a
• 41:44
  big civil war about it. Oh yeah, there was a period of
• 41:48
  history where, unbeknownst to like everybody else in the
• 41:50
  Realms, there was just a horrifying scheme in civil war
• 41:53
  happening under the ground. They were going to hang out with
• 41:56
  Nergal or the Great Horn Rat. Yep.
• 41:58
  All right, Clan Pestilence almost won.
• 42:02
  That would have been against all of the other clans.
• 42:04
  Yeah, wow. Well, I mean, yeah, disease does
• 42:07
  a really good job at killing your enemies.
• 42:09
  Right. Especially when you're immune to
• 42:11
  it because you're worshipping. Nergal, that's right, you.
• 42:13
  Even live in dog shit conditions.
• 42:16
  Right where? Disease spreads, it's already
• 42:19
  doing it without the disease Chaos God helping it along. 100%
• 42:24
  civil war was all like Pestilence, victory was only
• 42:26
  avoided by like the gracier clan basically pulling AA180 and
• 42:31
  convincing Pestilence that actually disease was also an
• 42:36
  aspect of the great horned rat, just like pulling the wool over
• 42:40
  their eyes and shifting their allegiance back to the great
• 42:43
  horned. Rat.
• 42:44
  That's some real Christian months rolling up to the pagans
• 42:47
  and being like, actually, it's this season is about our God and
• 42:53
  you can keep doing your thing, but it's about our God now.
• 42:58
  In the Old world, Clan Pestilence actually held
• 43:00
  allegiance to both Nergel and the Great Horned Rat in tandem.
• 43:04
  Since the Great Horned Rat ascended to full Chaos godhood,
• 43:08
  neither of them want to like split worship of Clan
• 43:12
  Pestilence, and Pestilence had to choose.
• 43:14
  They chose the Great Horned. Rat, that makes sense, I
• 43:16
  understand that. Their main beef now is that
• 43:19
  Nerical sees disease as a continuation of the cycle of
• 43:22
  life, and Pestilence sees it as a means to eliminate life.
• 43:28
  They have the great 13 great plagues of Scavendham that they
• 43:31
  want to inflect upon the world, leaving it completely bereft and
• 43:34
  barren. OK, because they are terrible.
• 43:37
  Because they're terrible. We're getting into the claims I
• 43:39
  like the most. Let's talk about oh God, we
• 43:42
  skipped Verminous. Sorry Verminous or whatever,
• 43:46
  they're kind of a stand in for. Interesting clan from the old
• 43:50
  world that didn't make it. What?
• 43:52
  Yeah, why wouldn't they just in like the text?
• 43:55
  Why wouldn't you just keep the interesting one?
• 43:56
  They're like only important guy died during the end times and
• 43:59
  the rest of them were like fighting at a place so they
• 44:01
  wouldn't have really made it to ski and blade.
• 44:03
  It's the whole thing. Why?
• 44:04
  That's a choice that the writers made correct.
• 44:06
  The and we haven't talked about it very much.
• 44:09
  The end times were very poorly written.
• 44:12
  It's just a consequence of Games Workshop, the company being
• 44:15
  like, hey, we're canning the world, please write like 15
• 44:18
  books real quick about the world getting canned.
• 44:22
  Not great, Not great. Yeah, they just think much
• 44:24
  better. They.
• 44:25
  Just think, much better so far. Verminists aren't particularly
• 44:28
  interesting. My favorite thing about them is
• 44:30
  they also recruit by kidnapping. Who do they kidnap?
• 44:35
  So they're the muscle of the clans, they have real military
• 44:39
  training, which is a rarity amongst Scaven, and they hold a
• 44:42
  superstitious belief that Scaven born with all black fur are more
• 44:47
  physically adept than others. Yeah.
• 44:50
  So why do we call this a superstitious belief, but the
• 44:53
  Wizards get this is almost a fact?
• 44:56
  I mean, it's the exact same thing.
• 44:58
  Yeah, and it's poked fun at that.
• 44:59
  It is the exact same thing. Yeah, definitely feels like 1 is
• 45:02
  getting framed as being like, no, but the Wizards are legit
• 45:04
  and this is a superstitious belief.
• 45:06
  And it's like feels like, did the wizard say that?
• 45:08
  It sounds like the Wizards are the one that said that.
• 45:10
  Probably, though I will note it within scavendom.
• 45:13
  Scaven believe it. They're like, yeah, that's a
• 45:16
  Blackford Scaven. He's going to be better at
• 45:18
  fighting when he gets interesting.
• 45:19
  Yeah, Vermus doesn't exclusively recruit by kidnapping.
• 45:24
  They just do kidnap all Blackford Scaven.
• 45:26
  And that's a full coat. No like patchiness or like
• 45:29
  patterns. Can't have a tuxedo scaven.
• 45:31
  Exactly, you could have a tuxedo scaven, they just wouldn't get
• 45:34
  to be the highest rank of Marshall Scape verminous.
• 45:40
  Oh no, I just thought of a little tuxedo scape and and he's
• 45:43
  like always everyday covering his white patches with like coal
• 45:48
  action stuff. Connie rides through the ranks,
• 45:51
  and then someone sees his bow tie.
• 45:53
  Sometimes just. It's OK, He slits that person's
• 45:56
  throat before they say it. That's true.
• 45:58
  He does. It was their bad.
• 45:59
  It was his best friend, too. He already, he already got the
• 46:02
  training. He's very good at it.
• 46:04
  So Verminist lays claim to clan rats which are the absolute
• 46:08
  baseline. Like we are going to do a fight,
• 46:12
  let's hand every scavenin range 1 sharp stick and one plank of
• 46:19
  wood for a sword and shield. That's like the rank and file of
• 46:23
  scaven military. Those are called clan rats.
• 46:26
  Verminist technically claims them because like Marshall
• 46:29
  skill, but the ones they kidnap, they're trained to be what are
• 46:33
  called Storm vermin. Good name this is episodes got a
• 46:36
  lot of good names there's. A lot of good names in Scaben
• 46:40
  Storm vermin are like actually trained to military, which is a
• 46:44
  rarity for Scaben, right? They're actually trained
• 46:47
  military. They rank alongside, if not
• 46:50
  above a lot of like elite human military.
• 46:53
  And there's more of them because there's always more of them.
• 46:57
  Storm Vermin actually like no military tactics and like how to
• 47:00
  fight properly, which again, rarity amongst Scaven Storm
• 47:05
  Vermin I deride them as being not as interesting as the other
• 47:08
  clans, but Storm Vermin can and do and will just like carry out
• 47:12
  their own military campaigns without the need for like higher
• 47:16
  up leadership. They are the workhorse of the
• 47:19
  like, Scaven military complex basically.
• 47:22
  Yeah, they're terrifying. And again, always more of them.
• 47:26
  Always more of them. Also, unbeknownst to claim
• 47:30
  verminus, a lot of star vermin end up secretly working for the
• 47:33
  Master clan because it's always the master.
• 47:39
  It's always, there's always more Scaven and it's always a master.
• 47:42
  Command, right. OK, that's verminus and
• 47:45
  pestilence. Let's talk about Eschen.
• 47:47
  This is very cool. Dude that's a very.
• 47:49
  This was like a Ninja Turtle character.
• 47:51
  Yeah. I mean, yeah.
• 47:53
  This is Master Splinter in his youth.
• 47:54
  Yeah, there's no getting around that one.
• 47:57
  If Verminous's superpower is Military Tactics and Pestilence
• 48:00
  superpower is Disease and Master Clan superpower is good Wizards,
• 48:05
  Eschen's superpower is our ninjas.
• 48:08
  Is it just ninjas though? Just literally.
• 48:11
  Ninjas. That's Master Splinter.
• 48:15
  They have mastered the Tri tail technique, which is where you
• 48:17
  fight with a sword in each hand and one in your tail.
• 48:19
  Of course you fucking do. They use throwing stars and
• 48:25
  cloak themselves in dark grey, which is actually harder to see
• 48:28
  at night than all black is because everyone else can play
• 48:32
  it being sneaky. But but Eshin's actually good at
• 48:34
  it. Eshin originates in the old
• 48:37
  world, as do most of the great clans where they literally.
• 48:40
  We've talked before about how the old world is laid out like a
• 48:43
  map of Earth. Clan Eshin literally went to
• 48:48
  Warhammer Fantasy Japan and learn from Warhammer Fantasy
• 48:52
  Japanese humans how to be ninjas.
• 48:55
  Did when you say learn, did they hide under the floorboards and
• 48:58
  just listen into the lessons? Nope they got taught by them
• 49:01
  open and about only the empire was like scaven don't exist.
• 49:06
  Everyone else was like, no, yeah, they're scaven.
• 49:08
  They live under the floorboards. Yep.
• 49:10
  If you leave a hunk of cheese, maybe they won't drag your uncle
• 49:13
  into the sewers. Old old world old world like
• 49:16
  country naming conventions are stupid.
• 49:19
  So Warhammer Fantasy Japan is just called Nippon?
• 49:23
  Like the real. We fucking renamed everything so
• 49:26
  we could copyright it. I guess I don't flip side.
• 49:31
  The alternative is a bunch of British white dudes in the 80s
• 49:36
  trying to come up with a fantasy name correct for Japan.
• 49:41
  Correct. So actually they that actually
• 49:46
  maybe was the best, honestly, yeah.
• 49:49
  It's kind of a weird sliding scale because we get like South
• 49:52
  America is Austria, Austria, which is interesting, which is
• 49:55
  cool, pretty Russia is Kislev OK, which is.
• 50:00
  Like a. Russian sounding word.
• 50:01
  Very good. Yeah, Japan is just the Japanese
• 50:04
  word for Japan. It's also also just the Japanese
• 50:08
  word for the what they call their own goddamn.
• 50:10
  Country. Yeah, No.
• 50:11
  Yeah. So like, yeah.
• 50:12
  China is Cafe, which is a it's an in joke about a
• 50:17
  mistranslation of the earliest English settlers to reach China.
• 50:21
  Called it China because it's also not what China calls
• 50:23
  itself. Nope.
• 50:24
  And that got like smudged on paperwork and documentation.
• 50:27
  So for a while, England thought China was called Cafe.
• 50:29
  And it wasn't even called China. No so Warner Fancy China is
• 50:34
  called Cafe, which is at least more of like an inside reference
• 50:37
  than just calling it dip on. Yeah, I don't.
• 50:41
  Yeah, This is why you've really, This is why you don't do that
• 50:45
  thing. This is why you're trying to to
• 50:47
  base your fantasy world just a whole cloth on, right?
• 50:50
  Like Warhammer Fantasy Nippon, just like has animal people.
• 50:54
  Like that's a pretty common occurrence there.
• 50:55
  So when the Scaven showed up there, they're just like, hey
• 50:59
  rats, you want to learn to be anxious?
• 51:02
  Like, were there cats there? Yeah, there's like tiger people.
• 51:05
  Wait. OK, Hold on.
• 51:06
  Yeah, Hold on. Dalton.
• 51:07
  Dalton you're saying it was just the fucking Ninja Turtles
• 51:11
  comics? Yeah, we're going to brush up
• 51:14
  against something that's extremely frustrating about the
• 51:16
  old World. What I'm telling you right now
• 51:20
  is basically all we know about like Warhammer Fantasy Nippon,
• 51:23
  that there are animal people that live there, and that one of
• 51:25
  the escaping clans went there and learned how to be ninjas.
• 51:27
  End of information. OK, wait, that's like really
• 51:29
  cool though. Correct.
• 51:31
  But that's really cool though. OK.
• 51:32
  It also just bump up against the fact that you did just name it
• 51:34
  after like the real world world for Japan and you put animal
• 51:37
  people there and that's like a little uncomfortable.
• 51:40
  There's also humans there. OK, there's also people there.
• 51:42
  OK, there's it's this fantasy place, but this is the one place
• 51:45
  where everyone was like, don't worry about the humanoid rat
• 51:48
  people. They're not real, and we hate
• 51:50
  them, right? And over in fantasy Japan, it
• 51:54
  was the goddamn Ninja Turtles comic.
• 51:56
  But everyone was like, fuck yeah.
• 51:58
  It was like Ninja Turtles, Mutant Mayhem and the Turtles
• 52:02
  just get to go to high school. Yeah, yeah, Basically Nifon
• 52:07
  taught Clan ESH and had to be ninjas and we didn't.
• 52:10
  Take that with us into the fantasy rooms.
• 52:12
  You could just put that somewhere.
• 52:14
  You would hope, right? God, you could just put.
• 52:18
  That somewhere that's just there, if we put it in one of
• 52:21
  the realms, I don't fucking know.
• 52:23
  I have critiques about iOS. One of my biggest ones is that
• 52:25
  we didn't get like Nippon Transplant in some way, like
• 52:29
  some of their like culture making the jump.
• 52:31
  And maybe it will, maybe it'll show up at some point because we
• 52:33
  see other stuff like that make the jump and that we don't get
• 52:38
  very much of Cathay because we actually know quite a bit about
• 52:40
  Cathay comparatively. And like, oh, I was just like,
• 52:43
  not an age of Sigmar yet. And I really want it to be
• 52:45
  because it's very cool. They have like massive
• 52:48
  terracotta giants that they use to defend the Great Wall that
• 52:52
  they built between them and the Chaos Wastes.
• 52:56
  OK, so bunch of white dudes from the 80s writing this stuff.
• 52:59
  So we do like, hey, that's really cool, but you also be
• 53:01
  like, is that cool? Or is that like fetishizing and
• 53:04
  exoticizing like another culture that you're not is?
• 53:07
  And maybe it's better that we don't touch it.
• 53:08
  But again, it's like, that's a cool fantasy action though.
• 53:11
  Could you just like hire writers with cultural backgrounds in
• 53:16
  this place to come in and like be able to retool this into
• 53:19
  something that like works? I don't know.
• 53:22
  I guess the other thing about this and this is not about the
• 53:24
  great hard rat whatsoever but it's like I think the only place
• 53:29
  that I know how it operates, culture rise is like the elf 1
• 53:33
  and that's cuz techless is a God damn monster.
• 53:37
  Yeah. But like, you could and.
• 53:39
  But like the other places, I feel like I know a little bit
• 53:43
  more about the individual species.
• 53:47
  Like dwarves invented capitalism.
• 53:49
  Yeah, the orcs really love to go on war parties.
• 53:54
  Yeah, OK. But like in the old world there
• 53:58
  was fantasy Japan with Ninja Turtles and that's like a very
• 54:01
  specific concrete thing that I don't know, I guess maybe we
• 54:04
  haven't discussed it yet in this.
• 54:05
  Like it feels like everything is more less about like here's a
• 54:08
  really interesting culture thing and more about like the realm is
• 54:11
  the interesting thing and then trying to piece in things for
• 54:14
  that. Yeah, you touched upon a thing
• 54:17
  that up to this point is more of a concern with how we've been
• 54:23
  approaching the world because, yeah, right now on our podcast
• 54:28
  we have been focusing on the age of Myth.
• 54:31
  And to put it, yeah, yeah. To put it bluntly, all of the
• 54:35
  like realm stuff and the God stuff from the age of myth is
• 54:39
  going to stand the test of time. Cultures from the age of myths
• 54:44
  don't make it. No, but because it's also
• 54:46
  apparently a very, very long long time.
• 54:47
  Yes, and cultures tend to not. Most of them last a very, very
• 54:51
  long, long time. Yeah, once we get through the
• 54:54
  Age of Chaos into the Age of Sigmar, like the modern day, we
• 54:57
  have a lot of really interesting, like cultures and
• 55:00
  settings that that's part of what makes me say like, I hope
• 55:02
  that we see some like reviving of like what Nippon was, what
• 55:06
  Cathay was at some point in the future.
• 55:08
  Because we do have like really interesting kind of like nation
• 55:12
  States and like cities and stuff in the modern day.
• 55:15
  We just don't have a ton. Of goddamn elves came back
• 55:19
  because they stole their stalls from fucking Slunesh and yet you
• 55:24
  couldn't give me the goddamn Ninja Turtles.
• 55:28
  I'm not OK right now. Let's talk about Master
• 55:31
  Splinter. I'm fucking OK.
• 55:33
  No, let's get back to. The ninja rats are going to have
• 55:35
  to do, yeah. Ninja rats.
• 55:37
  This. That's what I meant so.
• 55:38
  That guy's so cool. He looks like she's.
• 55:40
  Got a little Mace on the tip of his hat, yeah?
• 55:44
  That guy's so cool I put 2 pictures of him in the
• 55:46
  slideshow. Oh.
• 55:46
  My God, is this the same guy? Yeah, that he's not alive
• 55:51
  anymore, but I want to talk about him anyways.
• 55:52
  OK? His name is Death, Master
• 55:54
  snicked. He says his name is Death Master
• 55:59
  Snick. Death Master is his title.
• 56:01
  His name is snicked. That seems like real close to
• 56:04
  Master Splinter. Go on.
• 56:05
  Right. He was the Death Master.
• 56:09
  He was the person who coined the title.
• 56:12
  He was the assassin of the Council of 13.
• 56:18
  Cool. He operated during the time of
• 56:20
  the Old world. It was policy that no one was
• 56:22
  allowed to know where he was at any given time, including the
• 56:25
  members of the Masters of the Count or the members of the
• 56:27
  Council of 13. If the Council wants someone
• 56:29
  dead, they would spread a rumor that they wanted that person
• 56:31
  dead through Scavendum and it would reach death.
• 56:34
  Master snakes. And I'm assuming the person who
• 56:37
  the rumor was targeting you just eventually know.
• 56:40
  Like oh fuck, I had a rumor that the council wants to be dead,
• 56:43
  damn it. Listen, if he was after you.
• 56:46
  You just that's why. I mean, damn it, I guess.
• 56:48
  I guess I'm dead. That's it.
• 56:50
  He coined the three sword technique, fighting with his
• 56:53
  tail. That's very cool.
• 56:56
  And he was, he was not the leader of Clan Eschen, he was
• 57:00
  just its most cave like being the leader would tie him down.
• 57:03
  He didn't want it anymore. He was just to the most prolific
• 57:06
  assassin. Can't be tied behind a desk.
• 57:08
  Nope, he lived for the kill. Most prolific assassin in the
• 57:13
  history of the Old World, frankly.
• 57:15
  He's very cool. Essence, the third clan that
• 57:17
  recruits by kidnapper. Which one?
• 57:23
  What color do they kidnap? Wait for?
• 57:26
  There it is. Clan Eshen trains the Death
• 57:30
  Master. Do they only not kidnap the
• 57:31
  brown for rats? And mixed.
• 57:34
  Oh, I didn't bid patterns. Yes, Yeah, yeah.
• 57:36
  Anyone with patterns, there's actually like an inverse.
• 57:39
  It's not that they believe that Steven with white fur inherently
• 57:43
  sneakier. They believe the opposite.
• 57:45
  It's easier to spot a Steven with white fur at night, so they
• 57:47
  have to be much better learning how to hide theirs actually has,
• 57:51
  like, practicality. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:54
  So they wrap themselves all up in Gray so they're harder to
• 57:56
  spot, but they train without like wrappings or armor, so they
• 58:01
  learn to be very naturally stealthy.
• 58:04
  That's cool. Eshen.
• 58:05
  Of all the clans, I think Eshen genuinely has their shit
• 58:07
  together. But most.
• 58:09
  That sounds like it. Yeah, they're very good at what
• 58:11
  they do. They're most limited by they're
• 58:13
  like intense training regimen. A lot of Eshen candidates die
• 58:16
  during the training because they're their reputation to hold
• 58:20
  there for Eshen assassins. Fan rats kidnapped with white
• 58:23
  fur are on their path to becoming either Gutter or Night
• 58:26
  Runners. Gutter Runners are more
• 58:28
  multitudinous. It's people who failed out of
• 58:30
  the Night Runner program. Basically, Night Runners are the
• 58:33
  preeminent assassins of the realm.
• 58:35
  They're stupid fast on foot. Like, a lot of night runners can
• 58:39
  outrun horses on foot, which is completely crazy.
• 58:43
  And they're assassins. Yeah, throwing stars and knives
• 58:46
  in the dark. They melt down warpstone into a
• 58:49
  liquid substance and coat their blades with it.
• 58:52
  That's very. Cool, imagine getting stabbed
• 58:54
  with something coated in pure chaos magic.
• 58:57
  Yeah, these swords are glowing green here.
• 59:00
  Yeah, it's cuz they're coated in warpstone.
• 59:02
  That's cool. And only the highest ranking
• 59:05
  Ashen Assassins are allowed to carry what they call Weeping
• 59:07
  Blades, which is what that is coating it in warpstone.
• 59:11
  That's very cool. Right.
• 59:13
  I'm taking a picture, I'm screenshotting this one and I'm
• 59:15
  sending it to my brother's chat. Like this is very good, no
• 59:19
  context. Screaming rat ninja.
• 59:23
  This guy too. I'm sending him this guy too.
• 59:27
  The next clan I almost saved it for last because it's my
• 59:29
  favorite clan and it's probably a lot of our listeners favorite
• 59:31
  clan if they already know anything about Skiven.
• 59:34
  Let's talk about Clan Scryer. Scryer, that's a good name.
• 59:37
  Did they see in the future? They don't.
• 59:39
  OK doesn't have anything to do with their shtick.
• 59:44
  Scryer are the mad scientists. Of hey, all right, that's
• 59:49
  running. Terribly Scryer looked at
• 59:51
  Warpstone and they said sure, we could eat this, but also what if
• 59:54
  we hitched up to a laser beam? We have both pictures and minis
• 1:00:01
  for this one. Yeah, some of my own Scryer
• 1:00:03
  stuff. Minis.
• 1:00:06
  Scryer are prolific inventors. They are the living embodiment
• 1:00:11
  of. These are the rats of Nim.
• 1:00:13
  Yes, yes, they're living embodiment of who needs OSHA.
• 1:00:17
  Scryer inventions are devastating and powerful and
• 1:00:20
  very likely to kill whoever's operating it.
• 1:00:24
  We've got that is a Warlock engineer.
• 1:00:28
  That's cool. Warlock.
• 1:00:30
  Warlock. Engineer.
• 1:00:31
  Yep, Scryer mixes magic with machinery to get the best
• 1:00:36
  results. I like that very.
• 1:00:38
  Much good. That specifically is the warlock
• 1:00:40
  engineer known as Ickit Klaw. He he was from the old world as
• 1:00:44
  well, the master engineer of Clan Scryer.
• 1:00:48
  Similar thing to Snit where he was not the leader of Clan
• 1:00:52
  Scryer because he didn't want to deal with the politics, he just
• 1:00:54
  wanted to make his crazy inventions and unleash them upon
• 1:00:57
  the world. Invented flamethrowers.
• 1:01:02
  You just aerate warpstone at a thing which is terrifying.
• 1:01:08
  Built himself a life sustaining suit of armor after grievously
• 1:01:12
  injuring himself in a lab accident.
• 1:01:15
  He is scaven Iron Man, which is terrifying.
• 1:01:20
  He's actually pro closer to Scaven Doctor Doom because he's
• 1:01:23
  magic and science and. Yeah, yeah, he's real.
• 1:01:25
  Bad and wears a mask about it. And wears a mask about it.
• 1:01:29
  We are doing this episode on the heels of Comic Con 2024.
• 1:01:36
  Rat Burt Downey Junior anyways. But among his inventions, his
• 1:01:44
  many counted inventions, we have things like the Skiven Doom
• 1:01:49
  Wheel, which is just a big bicycle.
• 1:01:53
  It's a hipster wheel. Yeah, it's a hipster wheel.
• 1:01:55
  It's a hipster wheel. A hipster A.
• 1:01:56
  Lightning Cannon very likely to explode or for the the person
• 1:02:01
  driving it to lose control. Has one of my favorite rules in
• 1:02:04
  the board game Warhammer, which is that you can roll a dice, you
• 1:02:08
  can double its movement, you can choose to double its movement,
• 1:02:11
  but if you do, you roll a dice and on a four up your opponent
• 1:02:14
  gets to move it instead of you. It just goes.
• 1:02:16
  Wild can't control it anymore. That's fun.
• 1:02:19
  It invented the Warp Lightning Cam.
• 1:02:21
  He's a big guy. Yeah, warp lightning cannons
• 1:02:25
  channel raw warp stone into an energy blast and then fire at an
• 1:02:29
  enemy. This.
• 1:02:30
  Is some steam punky goodness right Dalton?
• 1:02:32
  This is very. Good, it's so good.
• 1:02:34
  I love the contrast between like huge science weapon on rickety
• 1:02:39
  ass like. Yeah, 2 by.
• 1:02:41
  Four platform. Like it looks like it's just
• 1:02:43
  gonna supposed to throw big rocks like in the end of The
• 1:02:45
  Lord of the Rings. Is literally just like we put
• 1:02:49
  all the budget into making the doom weapon.
• 1:02:51
  You got to wheel it to the battlefield and a wheelbarrow
• 1:02:53
  it's got. Spikes on the front, so don't.
• 1:02:57
  Worry you got a couple little engineers there to help wheel it
• 1:03:01
  out. A guy with a little scope to aim
• 1:03:03
  it. He does, he just doesn't
• 1:03:07
  manually aim the scope. Warp, Clayton and cannons are
• 1:03:12
  about equally likely to explode as they are to shoot anything,
• 1:03:15
  but there's always more rats. There's always more.
• 1:03:18
  Rats. We got a little Warlock
• 1:03:20
  Bombardier here, which is a Warlock engineer who's been
• 1:03:23
  taken by explosions and how cool they are.
• 1:03:26
  And so he's fashioned himself a little rocket launcher with.
• 1:03:31
  Smaller rats coming out of a tube.
• 1:03:34
  Yeah, it's just like a he's got his foot on a pipe and.
• 1:03:37
  Rats are coming out of the pipe. Yeah, mundane rats just kind of
• 1:03:41
  conglomerate wherever skeven are.
• 1:03:43
  This makes sense, yeah. Also on a supernatural level, if
• 1:03:47
  you get too many skeiven in a place and there weren't rats
• 1:03:49
  there before, they just kind of manifest.
• 1:03:51
  There are no. Yep.
• 1:03:52
  And I love how crazy he looks like he's he's laughing
• 1:03:56
  maniacally. Yeah, that is very like every
• 1:03:59
  skeiven thinks that they should be in charge.
• 1:04:01
  Most skeiven the height of their life will be able to like wield
• 1:04:06
  power over someone who is greater than them.
• 1:04:09
  So like a Warlock Bombardier firing a missile and taking out
• 1:04:12
  like 30 humans like. That's the highlight.
• 1:04:15
  Absolutely. That's it.
• 1:04:16
  That's the best it's going to get.
• 1:04:17
  Like he is on top of the world. And to think that you could
• 1:04:22
  invent something even better than that, that could do more.
• 1:04:25
  That's what drives Squire. They also have the best name for
• 1:04:31
  a thing of all, the escape and clans because they invented the
• 1:04:33
  rattling gun. The rattling gun.
• 1:04:37
  It's a Gatling gun, but it's a rattling gun.
• 1:04:40
  It's a rattling gun. Shoot little rats out of.
• 1:04:44
  Shoots bullets. Are the bullets rat shaped?
• 1:04:46
  No, they're made of warp stone. That doesn't mean they're not
• 1:04:51
  rat shaped, that just means they're made of warp stone and a
• 1:04:54
  rat shape. It wouldn't slide very well.
• 1:04:57
  They're made of warp stone. They're kids.
• 1:04:58
  They can Burrow through reality. Maybe some so they haven't
• 1:05:03
  touched upon before hold. On I disagree.
• 1:05:05
  No, because think about the shape of a bullet.
• 1:05:07
  It's pointy and then round and narrow.
• 1:05:10
  You could model that it's a rat. It's pointy and then a little
• 1:05:14
  round. I'm not saying it's like a
• 1:05:15
  fucking perfect replica of a rat, but it could be rat esque.
• 1:05:22
  I believe I we haven't touched upon this before, these are the
• 1:05:27
  6th grade clans. A lot of scaven clans will model
• 1:05:29
  themselves after one of the 6th grade clans.
• 1:05:31
  So like you'll have clans scryer and then you'll have like a
• 1:05:33
  dozen clans that also do invention.
• 1:05:36
  It's just that Scryer is like the proto clan.
• 1:05:39
  It's the like archetype basically so.
• 1:05:42
  Why aren't all the clans just part of clans Scryer?
• 1:05:45
  They don't want to be they splintered off, or they
• 1:05:48
  fractionalize, or they have beef with whoever's in charge.
• 1:05:50
  Of. Scryer or there's some ancient
• 1:05:53
  grudge, yeah. It's like everything's this gave
• 1:05:55
  and have made their lives harder for themselves.
• 1:05:57
  Yeah, you also, yeah, just like power play the clan splits in
• 1:06:02
  half. Now another one's this one
• 1:06:04
  that's they have the true claim to playing Clan Spire, right.
• 1:06:08
  Anyways, all that to say, I'm sure there's a skire derivative
• 1:06:10
  out there that has a little rat shaped bullets and then the last
• 1:06:15
  of the great clans we're going to talk about.
• 1:06:17
  Well, I don't like this one. Yeah, that's fair.
• 1:06:20
  I kind of I kind of suspected that might be the case.
• 1:06:24
  The last of our great clans is Clan Molder and they are the
• 1:06:28
  bioengineer, Biochemist, clan escape, and dumb.
• 1:06:37
  Clan Molder are unironically the greatest biologists in all the
• 1:06:40
  Mortal Realms. I mean, if if the things I'm
• 1:06:43
  looking at are actually able to move and function, then yes,
• 1:06:46
  that is a feat of biology. Right Clan Molder splices and
• 1:06:51
  mutates and surgically augments Skiven.
• 1:06:56
  I know I brought Ninja Turtles up a lot.
• 1:07:00
  I now I would like to present St.
• 1:07:02
  Sharks because they're clearly gene smashing all over the
• 1:07:06
  place. Molder's Molder's approach to
• 1:07:09
  like bioengineering is a lot less like good clean science
• 1:07:14
  than probably any of us would like it to be.
• 1:07:16
  This. Is what happens when you don't
• 1:07:17
  have a Scully around. It's true that one on the left
• 1:07:20
  side there, that big muscular rat that is what's known as a
• 1:07:23
  rat ogre that is not made by just like injecting escaven full
• 1:07:27
  of steroids or anything sane like that.
• 1:07:33
  That's what happens when you take 1 scaven and you surgically
• 1:07:36
  sew the muscles of like 100 other scaven to him.
• 1:07:40
  See OK, the thing about him is he does in fact look like a
• 1:07:43
  Frankenstein and yeah, y'all a Frankenstein and you knew
• 1:07:47
  exactly what I meant when I said that.
• 1:07:49
  Do not fucking at me. Who was the bride for?
• 1:07:54
  Who was the bride for? Who wasn't for the Doctor?
• 1:07:57
  It wasn't for the Doctor. He also doesn't have a medical
• 1:07:59
  degree. He also dropped out of Med
• 1:08:03
  school, Dropped out of Med school.
• 1:08:05
  Not even a doctor. Not even a doctor.
• 1:08:07
  Neither him nor any of the rats have a medical this.
• 1:08:12
  Escaven are just as medically inclined as goddamn Victor
• 1:08:17
  Frankenstein. He didn't even do like an yes.
• 1:08:21
  It was the past and anyone could just be a doctor if they read
• 1:08:23
  the books in the internship. He didn't even do the goddamn
• 1:08:25
  internship. Mulder, Mulder is just the
• 1:08:28
  inevitable consequence of when you have literally nothing but
• 1:08:32
  test subjects and no concern for the morality Lab Rats you're
• 1:08:35
  doing. Yes, exactly.
• 1:08:37
  It's Lab Rats. It's very much inspired by an
• 1:08:40
  era where we were growing ears on the back of mice, right?
• 1:08:43
  I'm just sliding over to the other image now, zoomed in.
• 1:08:46
  Very. I'm unhappy, Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  And more unhappy. I'm the most unhappy I've been
• 1:08:53
  since you showed me what those trees that eat people look like.
• 1:08:55
  Yeah. Would you believe that thing has
• 1:08:57
  abomination in its name? Oh, you know what?
• 1:08:59
  Yeah. So that is called a help hit
• 1:09:03
  abomination originating from the city of hell hit.
• 1:09:08
  Not a joke. It is the champagne of horrible
• 1:09:11
  monsters. One of the other like great ski
• 1:09:17
  and cities outside of ski and Blight was the city of Hellpit.
• 1:09:22
  It is the base of Clan Molder of.
• 1:09:26
  Course it fucking. Is and the greatest?
• 1:09:29
  Invention did. Did perhaps it have another name
• 1:09:32
  before Clan Molder moved in? Probably, but no one remembers
• 1:09:37
  that anymore because Clan Molder took it.
• 1:09:39
  Because clan mold. But yeah, the greatest creation
• 1:09:43
  of Hell Pit's finest minds, the name for a Molder scientist is a
• 1:09:50
  Flesh Crafter. The greatest Flesh Crafters of
• 1:09:53
  Hell Pit collaborated to create the Hell Pit Abomination.
• 1:09:58
  Just the one like the Minotaur? No, they're not like the
• 1:10:01
  Minotaur. There was one originally and
• 1:10:03
  then they got good at making them OK.
• 1:10:06
  It's literally just like you throw like 100 scaven into a
• 1:10:09
  muvitating VAT of acid and then you kind of stitch more scaven
• 1:10:13
  to them and it's cooling and solidifying and then you'd help
• 1:10:16
  hit abomination. They are absolutely massive,
• 1:10:20
  stories tall, easily able to crush a building.
• 1:10:23
  There's that's bigger than I was picturing.
• 1:10:26
  I'm so upset. Do they have figures?
• 1:10:29
  Yeah, models, yeah. Here, let me grab a picture real
• 1:10:32
  quick. I don't know if I want that.
• 1:10:34
  I'm grabbing it either way. No you should.
• 1:10:36
  I should see this cuz I was like oh big but I was imagining it
• 1:10:41
  was gonna be big. Like one of your up dudes is
• 1:10:43
  big. No.
• 1:10:44
  Much bigger. It's big, like a model of a God
• 1:10:47
  is big. Yeah, pretty close.
• 1:10:50
  I was. He had knocked a bunch of things
• 1:10:52
  out the other day, and I'm actually glad you did because I
• 1:10:55
  had no fucking idea where my gravity dice were at.
• 1:10:56
  Really. Nice.
• 1:10:57
  Have I never shown you these shit?
• 1:10:59
  Yeah. Hey, these are my gaming thing
• 1:11:03
  for the episode of guys. They're perfectly balanced.
• 1:11:06
  I got them when I was doing monster of the week pre pandemic
• 1:11:10
  and all the players kept finding the dice that always rolled the
• 1:11:13
  highest numbers and I'm like y'all aren't leveling up and
• 1:11:15
  that's not the fucking point of this game.
• 1:11:17
  So I got the perfectly fucking balanced gravity.
• 1:11:20
  Guys, you're holding all of. Your hand and feel the weird
• 1:11:23
  that's so much lighter than you think it should be.
• 1:11:25
  Right. But they feel so weird.
• 1:11:27
  Like you can tell they're balanced super well.
• 1:11:29
  They're super, yeah. They're really fun.
• 1:11:31
  I'm missing two of them cuz I think I loaned them to Drew and
• 1:11:36
  I just never got those back. That's my mistake.
• 1:11:39
  No one gets to borrow any of my shit anymore.
• 1:11:41
  Again. Now I'm down to dice.
• 1:11:45
  And I showed them to the kids at Teen City and they were really
• 1:11:47
  annoyed that it was missing the two dice.
• 1:11:49
  Why is it like that? I let them pardon with someone.
• 1:11:51
  Then I stopped hanging out that person.
• 1:11:53
  It's fine. But now I'm down to dice and
• 1:11:55
  they don't sit in the box. Right.
• 1:11:57
  Sorry. OK, go on.
• 1:11:58
  You're. Good, I was gonna here's your
• 1:12:00
  help it size comparison OK next to a normal scaven.
• 1:12:04
  Boy, boy, oh boy, Look at that. It's even worse because it's
• 1:12:09
  flesh colored. Yeah, not just like a Sketchity
• 1:12:11
  sketch. Yeah, oh boy, it's got no fur.
• 1:12:15
  Nope, nightmare fur melts off when they put them in the acid.
• 1:12:18
  Of course, of course, the fur melts off when they put them in
• 1:12:21
  the acid. Help hits are mindless.
• 1:12:23
  They don't. So you really, really, really,
• 1:12:25
  really want to be kidnapped by one of those three clans.
• 1:12:28
  Correct. I was going to say citizens of
• 1:12:32
  Clan Mulder do not get put into help hit abominations.
• 1:12:36
  Random people that get kidnapped by Clinton Walter get put into
• 1:12:39
  help hit abomination. Listen, if you are escaping
• 1:12:42
  youth and you get kidnapped by someone, you've got like a three
• 1:12:46
  out of four chance you get to be a ninja or like a cool soldier.
• 1:12:50
  Or like a wizard and you. But you will.
• 1:12:53
  Know pretty quickly which one. It will not be a surprise to you
• 1:12:58
  which one it is. Or you get to be a help hit
• 1:13:02
  abomination with all of your friends.
• 1:13:05
  But at least you have friends now.
• 1:13:07
  Forever. Forever, but not fur.
• 1:13:11
  No, no, not forever. Yeah, Molder is real good at the
• 1:13:17
  flesh crafting. They have a collab project they
• 1:13:20
  do with Clan Scryer. No, I don't like how you just
• 1:13:22
  described it as that. OK Molder will make like
• 1:13:27
  specialty rat ogres without hands which is fucked.
• 1:13:32
  OK. And then Scryer will outfit them
• 1:13:35
  with weapons, OK? Literally just like bolting,
• 1:13:38
  like chainsaws and flamethrowers and stuff where their hands
• 1:13:42
  should be because they're creatures of war.
• 1:13:44
  Yeah, but the average rat ogre isn't smart enough to operate
• 1:13:49
  like a complex Scryer weapon. Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  And so then. Molder can swing a chainsaw
• 1:13:55
  around. It can, but for those like
• 1:13:57
  flamethrowers and stuff, Mulder will then mutate a skeiven into
• 1:14:01
  being mostly brain mass and they will strap them into a baby
• 1:14:07
  Bjorn to the back of that rat oak and wire their brain to all
• 1:14:12
  those cool scryer weapons. So we're back to Ninja Turtles,
• 1:14:16
  but with Crank I. Was going to say yeah, you just
• 1:14:18
  get crank. You just got crank everyone's
• 1:14:22
  but worse. You just get a brain rat is what
• 1:14:25
  they're called OK Brain rat writing on the back of a rat
• 1:14:28
  ogre completely decked out in. West called it a brat.
• 1:14:31
  That'd be a problem. That'd be a little less
• 1:14:33
  intimidating, but brat Summer. Yeah, welcome to Brat Summer,
• 1:14:38
  operating a flamethrower with your best friend who's huge.
• 1:14:41
  Although I will suspect we are absolutely in the dead of winter
• 1:14:45
  at this. Point.
• 1:14:46
  Yep. Release wise, yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:49
  Everyone don't forget to leave out bacon for the hog father.
• 1:14:52
  Those collab projects between Walder and Squire referred to as
• 1:14:57
  Storm Friends. Interesting cuz the other one
• 1:15:01
  because the Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, the warrior ones.
• 1:15:04
  What was the Warrior? Ones storm vermin.
• 1:15:06
  Storm vermin. Yeah, Clan Verminus.
• 1:15:08
  Verminus yeah. Okay so is Storm just like a
• 1:15:11
  vibe for the Scaven? Pretty much okay.
• 1:15:13
  They like the sound of it based on the teeth.
• 1:15:16
  Yeah, it's like naming things Andromeda.
• 1:15:18
  They have a lot of like lightning weapons that's.
• 1:15:20
  Cool. Yeah, OK.
• 1:15:21
  If you run enough energy through warp stone it just arcs
• 1:15:24
  lightning and so that you get that in a lot of escape and
• 1:15:27
  weaponry. That's fun.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah, sure, but those are the great clans.
• 1:15:32
  Right, but you said there were 12 on the council.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah, the rest are just. Pretty interchangeable.
• 1:15:37
  Yeah, pretty much they'll. Fight for.
• 1:15:39
  Position, fight for power. Occasionally Eshen will just
• 1:15:41
  eliminate an entire clan from existence and their spot in the
• 1:15:44
  council will go open. The fact that Eshen can just
• 1:15:49
  like Bulk assassinate an entire clan escape and is terrifying in
• 1:15:54
  ways that words fail to capture. Yeah, OK.
• 1:15:57
  They can and they do. It just pleases them.
• 1:16:01
  Yeah, But yeah, the rest of the ones on the council tend to be
• 1:16:04
  pretty interchangeable people vying for power, usually in the
• 1:16:10
  image of one of the other great clans, right?
• 1:16:11
  You'll get there like flesh crafting clans like Molder.
• 1:16:14
  You'll get other scientists clans like Scryer, other ninja
• 1:16:17
  clans like ESHA and etcetera. But yeah, looking like we're
• 1:16:21
  getting up there on time. I do have two like named Escaven
• 1:16:25
  characters. I want to talk.
• 1:16:26
  About let's go. What the fuck is this guy?
• 1:16:30
  So we're talking about. This dude looks like Cernos
• 1:16:34
  from. Gaelic Mythology.
• 1:16:36
  We talked a little bit about how the Great Horned Rat is unique
• 1:16:39
  in that he has mortal followers, not humans.
• 1:16:42
  There is one exception. The Great Horned Rat has greater
• 1:16:47
  demons. I would hope so.
• 1:16:48
  Not any lesser ones though cuz the scaven fill those roles.
• 1:16:51
  Yep, but the Great Horned Rat does have what he calls Vermin
• 1:16:56
  Lords. Good name, right?
• 1:16:59
  They are the equivalent of your Lords of Change.
• 1:17:01
  The big bird Wizards are your great and clean ones.
• 1:17:05
  They are huge. They're like the ideal rat is
• 1:17:08
  the idea they're or what a rat wishes it was.
• 1:17:11
  They're huge and lithe and fast and they have those huge curling
• 1:17:15
  horns like the Great unclean one does or not the Great Unclean
• 1:17:18
  one like the great horned rat does.
• 1:17:21
  And there are variations of them for each of the great clans.
• 1:17:25
  So you have like vermin Lord deceivers who are the eminent
• 1:17:29
  demonic assassins of the of reality completely terrifying.
• 1:17:35
  Yeah. Or vermin Lord war bring.
• 1:17:38
  Or war bringers who are claimed verbeness just masters of
• 1:17:41
  martial combat. Does the rat Illuminati have
• 1:17:45
  one? Yeah, Vermin Lord Sears, I want
• 1:17:49
  to say that just hold like scrying orbs that they can use
• 1:17:52
  to peek a little bit into not the future because no one can
• 1:17:55
  see the future except Kairos solid Warhammer Lord, but they
• 1:17:59
  can use it to like, contemplate and craft bigger.
• 1:18:02
  More like the orb. Yeah, literally.
• 1:18:06
  Currently a Scryer and Mulder don't have one, but that's like
• 1:18:09
  a model release thing, yeah. So listen, sometimes
• 1:18:14
  manufacturing. Writes the story in the lower.
• 1:18:18
  The two science clans don't have one cuz it's like a worship of
• 1:18:22
  their God things. If they listen, if we wanted
• 1:18:24
  one, we build our own. Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:18:26
  But we'll probably get ones eventually with the excuse that
• 1:18:30
  like, we finally got around to manufacturing and then
• 1:18:32
  Pestilence has one who's just like this horrifying disease
• 1:18:37
  monger. But this guy's not any of those.
• 1:18:42
  I was wondering, yeah, what's this dude's deal?
• 1:18:44
  So that is a man named Lord Screech, Vermin King.
• 1:18:47
  Great name, right every, no notes.
• 1:18:51
  He is the uncontested leader of all Vermin Lords.
• 1:18:56
  If the Council of 13 is made-up of all the great Likescaven
• 1:18:59
  clans, there is a second Shadow Council of 13 that is entirely
• 1:19:05
  comprised of Vermin Lords, where Screech sits on the 13th spot in
• 1:19:09
  the Great Horned Rats stead. OK.
• 1:19:12
  Yeah, for sure. He is the great horned rats,
• 1:19:17
  Metaton or. Yeah, Metatron, Metatron.
• 1:19:21
  Yeah, yeah. Or Basilbub.
• 1:19:23
  Yeah. Just speaker for the entity.
• 1:19:26
  Absolutely, he will manifest in the physical realm to instruct
• 1:19:30
  like Scavendome when there's something important going on and
• 1:19:34
  he has a unique relationship with the Council of 13.
• 1:19:37
  OK. You know how we talked about how
• 1:19:39
  there was previously a council of 13 that tried to turn on the
• 1:19:42
  Great Horned Rat? Oh yeah.
• 1:19:45
  So that prior council of 13 managed to like Unite, Scabe and
• 1:19:52
  them. This is the one time they were
• 1:19:54
  all on the same page. All of the Great Clans thought
• 1:19:57
  they were getting a bomb deal from the Great Horned Rat
• 1:19:59
  because they were. Yep, they wanted to try and
• 1:20:01
  start building themselves up in a way that wasn't just the
• 1:20:04
  constant infighting, the constant like roiling.
• 1:20:07
  They want to usurp the Great Horned Rat.
• 1:20:10
  Basically, yeah. Yeah, and like, message of that
• 1:20:15
  got to the great horned rat and he pulled all 12 of them out of
• 1:20:19
  reality and he locked them in a tiny box in the realm of chaos.
• 1:20:23
  Yeah. Not big enough for any of them
• 1:20:26
  to be able to move, just compressed together.
• 1:20:30
  Put him in a box, threw him away.
• 1:20:33
  Basically yeah. Left him to rot in the realm of
• 1:20:35
  chaos for who knows, Time flows do different in the realm of
• 1:20:40
  chaos. And also, it was a long time
• 1:20:42
  ago, Yeah, when the great horn rat doing some house cleaning
• 1:20:47
  presumably found, found that box with that Council 13 in it.
• 1:20:52
  Rearranged some furniture, moved the couch to a different spot to
• 1:20:55
  bring into like, you know, improve the flow, the energy
• 1:20:57
  flow of the space. Found a little box underneath
• 1:20:59
  there. Yeah, found the eternal
• 1:21:00
  punishment box and, curious about what had happened, popped
• 1:21:05
  it open. And this guy came.
• 1:21:08
  Out lace large screech of Bourbon king came out.
• 1:21:10
  Yep, now totally loyal to the great horned rat, driven mad by
• 1:21:18
  the Realm of Chaos. Not too mad, just no more mad
• 1:21:21
  than any other scaven. He is the perfect embodiment of
• 1:21:25
  the knowledge of all the great clans.
• 1:21:29
  Yeah, yeah, he's literally an amalgam of one of the greatest
• 1:21:34
  councils of 13 to ever exist. He has the knowledge of Scryer
• 1:21:39
  and Mulder and Eschen and Verminists and the master clan
• 1:21:43
  in game. It's very neat.
• 1:21:45
  You can he can like tap into each of those knowledge and just
• 1:21:48
  like hand out a buff to units from that clan.
• 1:21:51
  That's cool, right? He is also the only scheme in
• 1:21:54
  existence we know who can cast the dreaded 13th spell.
• 1:21:58
  What's the 13th spell it? Turns people into Scaven.
• 1:22:04
  Yeah, did say that that was a thing he did.
• 1:22:07
  That does add a little bit of evidence to his claims.
• 1:22:10
  If Lord Screech Vermin King personally takes the field
• 1:22:13
  during a battle, shit's fucked. Just leave.
• 1:22:17
  He's just gonna start turning people into Scaven with the
• 1:22:19
  dreaded 13 spell. Does have a bell on his horn?
• 1:22:22
  He does have a bell on his heart and he's in charge.
• 1:22:24
  He is the eminent Vermin Lord, the only one person who ranks
• 1:22:30
  near the Great Horned Rat in the hierarchy.
• 1:22:32
  Basically, a command from Lord Screech is equivalent to a
• 1:22:36
  command from the Great Horned Rat.
• 1:22:37
  OK, isn't that that's kind of all about him.
• 1:22:41
  Like he's been around doing stuff, but none of it's like,
• 1:22:44
  crazy. I'm much more excited to talk
• 1:22:46
  about the next and our last topic.
• 1:22:48
  We're going to talk about today, my boy.
• 1:22:51
  Thankful. God, there's a small dude on a
• 1:22:55
  standing on a bigger. Dude, yeah, Thankful is a great
• 1:22:59
  seer. He's the little rat up there.
• 1:23:01
  Yep, standing atop his best friend Bone Ripper.
• 1:23:05
  OK, for sure. What's this collab?
• 1:23:09
  I love Thankful and I, and I love Thankful because he is
• 1:23:14
  deeply, passionately, completely fucking insane.
• 1:23:21
  That's. Kind of insane to be UN unhinged
• 1:23:24
  in a genuinely incredible way. Nice.
• 1:23:29
  Thankful is a schemer before he has anything else.
• 1:23:34
  He is the rogue Gracier. The rest of the master clan
• 1:23:37
  won't work with him even though he's technically a member
• 1:23:39
  because all Gracier are members of the master clan.
• 1:23:41
  I mean, they won't work with him because thankful schemes are so
• 1:23:45
  convoluted and radically outside the scope of anything even
• 1:23:49
  remotely possible to be completed by anyone who is
• 1:23:52
  operating within the feasible bounds of reality, and they
• 1:23:55
  still always work. That's.
• 1:23:58
  I could see why you wouldn't want to hang out with that.
• 1:24:00
  Guy, they are on the level of like the cart coming from 50
• 1:24:03
  miles away, nowhere where near where we are is going to lose a
• 1:24:07
  wheel on this corner. And that wheel is going to pick
• 1:24:09
  up speed as it goes down the hill and is going to clock a
• 1:24:12
  peasant in the head, meaning he's going to miss his wedding
• 1:24:14
  and that and his bride is going to run off into the woods,
• 1:24:17
  spooking the cavalry horses to charge into the front line so
• 1:24:20
  that we can shoot them to death. That is the level that Thankful
• 1:24:25
  is operating on and it always fucking work.
• 1:24:29
  I also don't want to work with that guy.
• 1:24:31
  It really partially feels like you don't even need me here.
• 1:24:35
  Why did I even get out of bed this morning?
• 1:24:37
  He's. Just failing his way upward and
• 1:24:39
  I love him terribly. He is one of the highest ranking
• 1:24:44
  Gray Sears even though the rest of them don't want to work with
• 1:24:46
  them because his scheme basically always work.
• 1:24:49
  Anytime a scheme does fail, he just blames it on someone else.
• 1:24:54
  That's a reason we don't want to hang out with him.
• 1:24:57
  Blames on someone else comes up with a.
• 1:24:58
  Crazier accountability. Yes, he's ever needed it.
• 1:25:02
  Finkle is from the old world. He operated during the time of
• 1:25:06
  the End Times and the Great Horn.
• 1:25:08
  This is literally the only instance we have ever of the
• 1:25:11
  Great Horn Rat experiencing any emotion that isn't like seething
• 1:25:15
  contempt. The Great Horn Rat thinks his
• 1:25:18
  stuff is so funny that he keeps him around for that reason.
• 1:25:22
  Yeah, like, yeah, yeah. Not a bad place to be, Yeah.
• 1:25:27
  When you know, he can pluck you out of reality and shove you in
• 1:25:30
  a box. Yeah.
• 1:25:31
  He's a devastating court jester. I love him.
• 1:25:34
  Terrible. There he is.
• 1:25:35
  Yeah. And what's to do with his best
• 1:25:36
  friend? That's Bone Ripper.
• 1:25:38
  Yep, Thankful and Bone Ripper were have been best pals
• 1:25:42
  forever. Originated just as a like as a
• 1:25:44
  young thankful star to rise in the ranks of the master clan.
• 1:25:47
  He wanted to make sure he always had like a bodyguard
• 1:25:51
  commissioned Clan Mulder and Clan Squire to make.
• 1:25:53
  Him I was looking. Rat Ogre.
• 1:25:55
  Yep, he named that rat that Rat Ogre, Bone Ripper.
• 1:26:00
  And Bone Ripper has saved his life on countless occasions.
• 1:26:04
  Is Bone Ripper a best friend like how a dog is your best
• 1:26:08
  friend? Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  OK, Thankful loves Bone Ripper. We don't know what Bone Ripper
• 1:26:12
  thinks about Thankful. He's a rat ogre.
• 1:26:14
  He's most of his mental capacity is diverted to making his
• 1:26:18
  muscles work. He's basically a big dog.
• 1:26:22
  Thankful has scary dog privilege.
• 1:26:24
  Yeah, he does, yeah. That's also not the first bone
• 1:26:29
  Ripper. The the unfortunate consequence
• 1:26:33
  of being the personal bodyguard of maybe one of the most hated
• 1:26:36
  ski but in existence is that there's been hundreds of bone
• 1:26:38
  Rippers. But thankful doesn't know that.
• 1:26:42
  Thankful doesn't know that. He's too crazy.
• 1:26:45
  Like when a bone Ripper dies, Thankful just addresses like
• 1:26:49
  empty air as Bone Ripper until he manages to Commission a new
• 1:26:52
  one from Mulder and Scryer. But how is he owing?
• 1:26:57
  That a lot of self delusion. Also see above note about
• 1:27:00
  passionately insane. At some point he just started
• 1:27:06
  us. He just subscribed to the Bone
• 1:27:08
  Ripper delivery service it automatically.
• 1:27:11
  To guys, HelloFresh for Bone Rippers, No.
• 1:27:17
  Yeah, not the first Bone Ripper by a long shot.
• 1:27:19
  A Bone Ripper is pretty much constantly dying to protect.
• 1:27:24
  Thankful and Thankful just replaces it and treats him like
• 1:27:28
  he's the same Bone Ripper, OK? That's complicated and really
• 1:27:32
  sad. Right.
• 1:27:33
  Again, it would be tragic if he wasn't just, like, completely
• 1:27:36
  nuts. Yeah.
• 1:27:37
  Office rocker. It's kind of.
• 1:27:39
  Tragic because if he was just like, oh, yeah, I love him.
• 1:27:42
  He's my best friend. I mean, he's the three
• 1:27:44
  thousandth one of these guys. But like, sure, I'm like, OK,
• 1:27:47
  well, I don't know, it's kind of all right.
• 1:27:49
  But no, you're literally not attached to reality.
• 1:27:53
  Which, yeah, obviously not because chaos you can Burrow
• 1:27:56
  through reality, but also perhaps genuinely has no idea
• 1:28:01
  that your best friend has died. Probably not.
• 1:28:05
  Like as far as thankful is concerned, him and Bone Ripper
• 1:28:07
  have been through it all like they survived the end of the
• 1:28:09
  world like. Yeah, that's a bummer, right?
• 1:28:14
  Again, Skeven fill a weird space where they're like sad,
• 1:28:18
  terrifying and comedic all at. Once, Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:28:23
  I I like Skeven a lot. If you can't tell from them, I
• 1:28:25
  like. Skeven a lot too, right?
• 1:28:27
  Yeah, I like them way more. Like fucking elves.
• 1:28:30
  Right. At least they want something.
• 1:28:33
  It's terrible, but like. Likes gaming.
• 1:28:35
  I like the the sea elves. Yeah, I mean, they still
• 1:28:38
  people's souls, but like, it's not their fault.
• 1:28:40
  Whatever. Yeah, they were.
• 1:28:42
  I like. Built different parentheses
• 1:28:44
  wrong. Built wrong, came back wrong,
• 1:28:46
  and it was Techless's fault. I also like the orcs because
• 1:28:50
  they come from mushrooms. Yeah, I think that's very funny.
• 1:28:53
  Very fun. I like orcs quite a bit.
• 1:28:56
  One of my favorite stories about Thankful happened during the Old
• 1:28:59
  world. He rolled up on Carrick Eight
• 1:29:02
  Peaks, which was a very important fortress in the old
• 1:29:04
  world. It changed hands between Skave
• 1:29:06
  and goblins and dwarves basically constantly.
• 1:29:09
  How long did the empire push this Skave and aren't real
• 1:29:12
  narrative? So long.
• 1:29:13
  Thousands of years. Like way longer than they should
• 1:29:16
  have maybe? Correct, to the point where a
• 1:29:18
  lot of people knew Skavin were real, but knew that saying so
• 1:29:21
  out loud got you a visit from the Inquisitors.
• 1:29:23
  Yeah. Like when we literally have
• 1:29:25
  chaos gods knocking on our door, they have teamed up with the
• 1:29:30
  ever chosen and we are still having the empire be like scaven
• 1:29:34
  aren't real. Yes, the Empire tied its own
• 1:29:36
  noose with the End Times, because if they had warned the
• 1:29:38
  populace about Steven, they might have been able to resist
• 1:29:41
  them better. A lot of the Steven learned or a
• 1:29:43
  lot of populists learned Scaben are real when they emerge from
• 1:29:46
  the ground to take their cities. Yeah, like, yeah, it's yeah.
• 1:29:50
  The the Empire kind of, yeah, tied its own rope on that one a
• 1:29:53
  little bit. Call up the giant ninja cats.
• 1:29:58
  Hell, they might like the They might like the scaben.
• 1:30:00
  They taught them Kung Fu. That's true.
• 1:30:03
  Did they know they just had this one dude show up and was like,
• 1:30:05
  I'd like to learn ninja? And they're like, hell yeah,
• 1:30:07
  we'll teach you ninja, Yeah. Nippon was separated by an ocean
• 1:30:11
  from the chaos waste. Like they genuinely didn't have
• 1:30:13
  much contact with chaos until the world ended.
• 1:30:16
  Yes, they're just doing their own thing and someone showed up.
• 1:30:18
  It's like, will you teach me ninja?
• 1:30:19
  And they were probably like, okay, if you seem cool, we love
• 1:30:23
  people. I bet if just a small group of
• 1:30:25
  scavenge showed up and were chill, yeah, I bet they were
• 1:30:29
  like, yeah, we'll teach you ninja.
• 1:30:30
  They're, they're like very old ogre models.
• 1:30:33
  There is like a thing for a little while where when you
• 1:30:35
  bought Ogre models, you could get ones that were based on like
• 1:30:38
  the different cultures of the old world, because ogres have a
• 1:30:41
  tradition of working as mercenaries.
• 1:30:43
  And so you could get like an ogre completely decked out in
• 1:30:46
  ninja garb, because the font will teach anyone to be a ninja.
• 1:30:50
  That's OK. Again, 80s white British dudes.
• 1:30:53
  Fantasy Japan. Yeah, it's was it good?
• 1:30:58
  Probably not, but. But but did it look sweet as
• 1:31:02
  hell? Yeah.
• 1:31:04
  Also an ogre with a dinner plate sized throwing star because
• 1:31:07
  they're huge. But the thing about it is, yeah,
• 1:31:12
  we like ninja. They're really cool.
• 1:31:15
  But like in that era of Japan, ninja were like very looked down
• 1:31:21
  upon. It was not an honorable
• 1:31:24
  position, whereas samurai is the way to so I'm also like, did you
• 1:31:29
  have fantasy samurai? Did you do both or just?
• 1:31:33
  They didn't do both, and mostly because again, we basically know
• 1:31:37
  nothing about Nippon. It just was never the center of
• 1:31:40
  any stories or narratives. I get it.
• 1:31:42
  You did the Ninja Turtles. Yeah, dude, don't fucking
• 1:31:45
  pretend like that wasn't intentional.
• 1:31:47
  You. You mean you put the one place
• 1:31:50
  had animal people and it was the same place where you did ninja
• 1:31:55
  and you're going to look me in the eye and tell me that there
• 1:31:58
  are no giant humanoid rats? Carrick Apeaks was a fortress.
• 1:32:06
  Thing right, We were talking about something.
• 1:32:07
  You're fine, Carrie. This is your job on the podcast.
• 1:32:12
  Find one thing, cling to it until I tie.
• 1:32:16
  This episode, it's the Ninja Turtles.
• 1:32:19
  What will it be next episode? TuneIn?
• 1:32:21
  Find out listeners. Last time on Dragon Ball Z.
• 1:32:25
  Thankwell once rolled up to Carrick 8 Pizza again change
• 1:32:28
  stands between skate and gobbles and doors constantly.
• 1:32:30
  Thankwell rolled up like watch I'm the best grace here that's
• 1:32:34
  ever been. I'm going to capture this Fort
• 1:32:36
  single handedly in the name of the great horned rat.
• 1:32:38
  Tried to summon Lord Screech Urban King to help him take the
• 1:32:42
  Fort. Summoned Scarbrands, the huge
• 1:32:45
  bloodthirster that betrayed Korn.
• 1:32:48
  Yeah, that's a different guy. Yeah, that's a very different
• 1:32:50
  guy. Yep, kind of same classic guy,
• 1:32:52
  but not the same guy. Did a completely odd accident
• 1:32:55
  this. Is before or after he betrayed
• 1:32:56
  Korn? After his betrayal of Korn
• 1:32:59
  happened in like prehistory, like before Sigmar's godhood
• 1:33:03
  summit, Scarbrand on accident. Scarbrand killed almost everyone
• 1:33:07
  there because that's Scarbrand's job.
• 1:33:10
  OK, it sounds like mission success.
• 1:33:13
  Kind of, yeah. That's how Thankwall sees it.
• 1:33:16
  He still calls himself the Conqueror of Carrot Game Peaks
• 1:33:19
  even though Scarborough killed basically the entire skewered
• 1:33:22
  army there that was there to take the peaks.
• 1:33:23
  Whatever did he said. I'm going to take the peak
• 1:33:26
  single handedly. Was he the only hand left when
• 1:33:28
  the peaks were taken? It sounds like that's a mission
• 1:33:32
  success to me. Thank all survived into the old
• 1:33:35
  world. The great horn Rat likes Thank
• 1:33:38
  Walls like shtick, but he's not benevolent.
• 1:33:42
  Thank Wall fucked up during the end times.
• 1:33:46
  Everybody fucked up during the end times.
• 1:33:47
  Yeah, on both sides. I think.
• 1:33:49
  Only ever chosen did his goddamn job.
• 1:33:51
  Pretty. Much.
• 1:33:52
  Yeah, thank Wall failed. No one fucked up more than
• 1:33:54
  techless. Correct, just factually true
• 1:33:57
  the. Techless I have I have single
• 1:34:01
  handedly made this in with techless hate podcast.
• 1:34:03
  Listen, we're all there. I have a buddy who plays
• 1:34:05
  Techless and he's going to hate it when these episodes come out.
• 1:34:07
  But this is techless stands. This is not a safe space for
• 1:34:11
  you. But yeah, thankful fucked up
• 1:34:14
  during the end times, he like failed in his mission towards
• 1:34:16
  the great horned rat and the great horned rat actually like
• 1:34:18
  locked him in jail in the realm of chaos.
• 1:34:21
  He didn't put him in a box. Basically, yeah, not as
• 1:34:25
  constrained, but just like put him in the timeout zone.
• 1:34:28
  He still thought he was funny enough to keep him around.
• 1:34:30
  He didn't want to kill him but wanted to put him in timeout for
• 1:34:35
  a little while. How do you fuck up?
• 1:34:37
  He failed to kill the person he was like commanded to kill
• 1:34:42
  during the end times. Is this a secret you'll reveal
• 1:34:44
  later? No, actually, I'm going to talk
• 1:34:46
  about it now because it's not a great time to bring him up
• 1:34:48
  later. OK?
• 1:34:50
  He's gonna show up later and we will talk about him, but I won't
• 1:34:52
  mention him. No.
• 1:34:52
  OK, cool. OK.
• 1:34:54
  Thankful. During the End Times, was tasked
• 1:34:55
  with killing a dwarf named Gottrick Gunderson.
• 1:34:59
  Oh, yeah, yeah, Gottrick Gunderson is a Slayer.
• 1:35:02
  He is a dwarf who has brought great dishonor upon himself, and
• 1:35:05
  thus has taken the Slayers out to die in battle.
• 1:35:07
  I remember that OK. Yeah, he hung out with a human
• 1:35:09
  named Felix. OK, begrudgingly.
• 1:35:12
  OK. Felix was a Bard and he heard
• 1:35:16
  about this. He heard about this Slayer who
• 1:35:18
  was going around doing Slayer stuff.
• 1:35:20
  And he's like, hey, I'm going to tag along and write down all
• 1:35:22
  your stories and, like, songs of your accomplishments and
• 1:35:25
  contract was like, please don't. This is a, like, repentance
• 1:35:28
  thing. Yeah.
• 1:35:29
  Like, I don't really want to be remembered for these tasks.
• 1:35:32
  I'm trying to die honorably in battle.
• 1:35:34
  And Felix was like, that sucks that.
• 1:35:37
  Sucks to be you. I am the The muse strikes with
• 1:35:40
  the muse strikes. Yeah, and they have, like, a
• 1:35:43
  whole series of books about them that are just lovely.
• 1:35:45
  Felix and Gottrick learning to appreciate and value each other
• 1:35:48
  to the point where Felix basically not really, but kind
• 1:35:52
  of talks Gottrick out of going through with the honorable death
• 1:35:55
  thing. Like, you're doing more good for
• 1:35:56
  the world being this, like, warrior who saves people than
• 1:36:00
  you would be by dying to reclaim your honor.
• 1:36:02
  And it's very lovely and it's very nice and thankful.
• 1:36:05
  Was tasked with killing Gottrick during the end times.
• 1:36:07
  Oh yeah, I think he did. Yeah.
• 1:36:11
  Gottrick is the worst Slayer in history because he survived the
• 1:36:15
  end of the goddamn world. Part of the recent thankful
• 1:36:26
  failed to kill Gottrick is because Gottrick got like
• 1:36:29
  shunted into the realm of chaos before the world ended.
• 1:36:33
  Gottrick fought his way through the Realm of Chaos for an
• 1:36:36
  indeterminate amount of time, and then in the aftermath of the
• 1:36:41
  Age of Chaos in Age of Sigmar, Gottrek is going to like fight
• 1:36:44
  his way back out of the Realm of Chaos into the Mortal Realms.
• 1:36:50
  OK, the worst Slayer in it could not die an honorable death if he
• 1:36:54
  wanted to. What happened to his Bard
• 1:36:57
  friend? Same thing that happened to
• 1:37:00
  everybody else. Yeah, We don't have confirmation
• 1:37:05
  on anything. Some people think Felix might
• 1:37:08
  still be out there. That's a lot of people survived.
• 1:37:10
  Yeah, Ganatrek isn't 1 of the people who thinks Felix might
• 1:37:14
  still be out there. Well, he would probably know
• 1:37:15
  best. He's recoping with the fact that
• 1:37:21
  the person who taught him to care about himself again is
• 1:37:24
  probably gone. He also has a bunch of really
• 1:37:28
  good books set in AOS after he like reemerges from the realm of
• 1:37:31
  chaos again him Like venturing with other people who also have
• 1:37:36
  their own issues and kind of redoing the thing you do well.
• 1:37:39
  Passing along Felix's message of like it's OK if you fucked up in
• 1:37:43
  the past, there are people who need you now.
• 1:37:45
  Like it's very good. Keep being the wandering Slayer
• 1:37:49
  like. Was Felix also a dwarf?
• 1:37:51
  Felix was a human. I was just wanting to picture.
• 1:37:53
  I was picturing human. I just wanted to make sure I had
• 1:37:56
  their, yeah. He's kind of a roguish with
• 1:38:00
  dirty blonde hair type. Of course, he was a middling
• 1:38:04
  sword fighter and so a lot of times got it fell upon Gottrick
• 1:38:07
  to just like, throw himself in harm's way to protect his stupid
• 1:38:10
  Bard friend Felix. Favorite Favorite combination?
• 1:38:15
  But he wrote a ton. Like people in the old world
• 1:38:18
  genuinely knew who Gottrick was because of Felix's songs and
• 1:38:21
  stories about him. That's very good, right?
• 1:38:25
  Oh man, not to spoil it too much, but Gottrick and Thankful
• 1:38:30
  are going to clash again in the age of Sigbar.
• 1:38:32
  I'm sure they are. But this is not the Dwarf
• 1:38:36
  episode, this is the Skaven episode.
• 1:38:37
  It is a Skaven episode. And more specifically, it's kind
• 1:38:40
  of the end of the Skaven episode.
• 1:38:42
  We've talked about the great Harden rat.
• 1:38:43
  We've talked about the great clans.
• 1:38:44
  Skaven, as the narrative unfolds, are burrowing their way
• 1:38:49
  into the other realms, reinforcing Chaos demons,
• 1:38:53
  pouring into the world where they can, getting into realms
• 1:38:56
  that otherwise we're untouched, like Stephen Brew and Dashaish,
• 1:38:59
  the realm of death to try and open open the way further Chaos
• 1:39:04
  forces to get in there. The only realm untouched by
• 1:39:07
  Chaos is Azir. Yeah, Sigmar's realm.
• 1:39:10
  Yeah yeah, yeah, cuz he fucking did the leg work.
• 1:39:12
  Yep. But didn't hand out any goddamn
• 1:39:15
  guides to anyone else. Couldn't forward one e-mail of
• 1:39:19
  the game plan. So here's the situation.
• 1:39:23
  I'm gonna set the scene for next episode.
• 1:39:25
  Let's. Fucking go.
• 1:39:26
  Gonna be a big one. Here's the situation, Nergal.
• 1:39:31
  It's taking guy around, yes. That's the problem.
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  That's where the food is at. Yeah, corn is sweeping across.
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  Actually, corn has amassed a ton of mortal followers thanks to
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  the actions of corgis Cull. Oh yeah blood bound which is
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  what you call a mortal corn follower.
• 1:39:49
  Blood bound and chaos demons are wreaking havoc across the
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  various cultures actually though they're doing OK on fending them
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  off actually already had like a martial culture.
• 1:40:00
  Hish is completely devastated non operational by Slanesh
• 1:40:04
  emerging there. Interesting, Interesting.
• 1:40:06
  I wonder why. I wonder fucking why, right?
• 1:40:09
  OLGU is doing its best to fend slash demons off.
• 1:40:14
  Olgu is hard to navigate at the best of times, but with Marathi
• 1:40:17
  and malaria and twisting its shadows, it is almost impossible
• 1:40:21
  for even demons to navigate. So OLGU is holding its own
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  shaman, one of the worst off they have.
• 1:40:32
  Their God still grung me, but he is still paying his debt to
• 1:40:36
  Sigmar back. Oh yeah, he's just not there.
• 1:40:40
  Yep, the dwarves often call themselves the Dispossessed. 2
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  Dead Gods in an Abandoned 1. Yeah, that's kind of a bummer.
• 1:40:49
  Real bummer. Sandwich we find ourselves in,
• 1:40:50
  right? And that and no one is sure
• 1:40:55
  what's happening on Shahish Nikash is just incommunicado,
• 1:40:59
  right? Hate that guy, right?
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  Him and tackless. It's on fucking sight right?
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  I wish Sycmar just hit him with a hammer.
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  But on his ear. But on his ear.
• 1:41:10
  Sigmar's been ready. They came at the Realms sooner
• 1:41:16
  than he was hoping, Faster than he was hoping.
• 1:41:18
  He thought they might be able to deal with them one at a time, or
• 1:41:21
  they might have a better bulwark of little Chaos incursions.
• 1:41:25
  Everything's gone to shit real fast.
• 1:41:26
  Like everything broke bad. Like, right in the same goddamn
• 1:41:29
  way. Pretty much, yeah.
• 1:41:31
  Very, very close to each other. And while Sigmar is worried that
• 1:41:36
  so much, it's so fast, he hasn't fought this long and worked this
• 1:41:42
  hard to bring everybody together to just.
• 1:41:45
  Bring everybody to go now. Sigmar gets all of his best
• 1:41:51
  warriors together on Azir. He leads them to the Mist Gate,
• 1:41:57
  which is the great realm gate that connects Azir and actually.
• 1:42:01
  That's very good. He plants the 12 tribes of Azir
• 1:42:06
  the Great like warrior nations of Azir that he has been
• 1:42:09
  training for this battle. He basically tells them to guard
• 1:42:13
  the Mist gate because he is going to go get everybody else.
• 1:42:18
  And this is the thing that gets it called the Age of Sigmar.
• 1:42:21
  No, no, we are still in the age of myth.
• 1:42:23
  Yeah, the Age of Chaos has not. Hit.
• 1:42:25
  Wait, I'm sorry. What?
• 1:42:26
  What is this? Wait, what?
• 1:42:27
  This is the age of chaos. I'm.
• 1:42:30
  Going to leave you with a little bit of foreboding because this
• 1:42:33
  is the age of myth. The Age of Chaos is still
• 1:42:36
  coming. Oh my God.
• 1:42:38
  OK, well, that's the thing. Neat.
• 1:42:41
  Sigmar, I'm gonna give you an image to to think on before we
• 1:42:45
  get there. Gods are empowered by worship.
• 1:42:48
  They're powered by their domain being in the ascendant by just
• 1:42:52
  more of it being the norm across the realms.
• 1:42:55
  For eons is how long we know the Age of Myth lasted for just
• 1:43:00
  countless eons. For eons, the world has had
• 1:43:04
  stable, civilized peace. Yeah.
• 1:43:08
  Sigmar is more powerful than he has probably ever been and as he
• 1:43:16
  leaves actually for Guy Ran, just leaving a twin tailed comet
• 1:43:21
  of absolute annihilation of chaos magic behind him evened on
• 1:43:27
  Guy Ran as they see the twin tailed comet of Sigmar approach,
• 1:43:31
  they think maybe we can still do.
• 1:43:33
  This, but they don't. That's the story for next time.
• 1:43:37
  OK? Aw, man.
• 1:43:40
  All right, well. Well, dear listeners, I hope I
• 1:43:47
  piqued your interest, because next time we are going to talk
• 1:43:49
  about how properly the Age of Myths becomes the Age of Chaos,
• 1:43:55
  Sigmar's grand crusade across the Realms, and what happens
• 1:43:58
  next. It's a sad song, but we tell it
• 1:44:02
  anyways. In the meantime, I have been
• 1:44:05
  your Warlock engineer, Dalton Montgomery.
• 1:44:08
  And I'm very smart. And remember, if you think my
• 1:44:11
  government wouldn't lie about giant humanoid rats living
• 1:44:14
  beneath the floorboards, Oh yes, it would.
• 1:44:19
  Thank you all for listening. We'll see you next time.
• 1:44:21
  Bye.