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Domonique Foxworth on A.J. Brown's unhappiness, Potential WNBA labor strife, Shedeur Sanders "comments" | 10.03 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Foxworth Friday. Dominique Foxworth, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Not much, man. Feeling good. Feeling good. How about you?
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  Speaker 1: Hey man, it's all right over here. It's turning autumnal.
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  Speaker 1: And I realized that I have lived in this city
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  Speaker 1: quite a while that I'm like, ooh, is that a
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  Speaker 1: little crisp.
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  Speaker 2: In the air? It feels good, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like I've never been that person. Now I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: if we can get a little orange in these trees.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think like, now that I don't go
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  Speaker 2: to school, I feel like the fall, like there's a
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  Speaker 2: sweet spot in the fall that's just the best. Like
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  Speaker 2: the fall sucks, man. when I went to school because
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  Speaker 2: it was like, all right, summer's over. It's the end
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  Speaker 2: of fun. But now, as an adult, summer's great. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: all the seasons have that thing, but as an adult,
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  Speaker 2: it's like fall. When it get a little bit cold,
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  Speaker 2: you get into the 60s. It's not good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Summer, I don't know if it's because of the
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  Speaker 1: global warming or just me aging. Summer don't hit exactly
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  Speaker 1: like it used to. Summer got a bunch of dope activities, man,
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  Speaker 1: but summer got a lot of that heat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know how much
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  Speaker 2: of your summer you spend up there in Manhattan, but
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  Speaker 2: I love that city, but it's such a wonderful walkable city. However,
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  Speaker 2: in summer, it's like two blocks. I'm soaking and it's just,
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  Speaker 2: it's not, or you're going down funky ass subway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. See, that's the thing. The dilemma of summer for
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  Speaker 1: me on where to be is that you pay the
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  Speaker 1: price of the winter and the summer really pays off
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of cool ways when it pays off.
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  Speaker 1: So I used to do like all my travel in
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  Speaker 1: the summer. But then I was like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing this wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So you can't really, for example, do if you want
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  Speaker 1: to do like Southern Hemisphere travel. I mean, you could
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  Speaker 1: go during the summer to be winter somewhere else. It's
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  Speaker 1: not how I was raised, but I suppose you have
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  Speaker 1: the option. So, you know, you kind of got to
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  Speaker 1: do that early. And now I'm trying to spend a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more time around here. But then your homies
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  Speaker 1: be bouncing around at all these different times and everything else. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's not... Yeah, I think you just hit it, man.
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  Speaker 1: Some of it meant something different when it meant what
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have to do, which was go to school.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you and I, when you just said
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  Speaker 2: homies bouncing around, you and I probably have a couple
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  Speaker 2: sets of friends, which I imagine a lot of people do, where...
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  Speaker 2: it's weird to, and it's a newer group, my newer
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  Speaker 2: group of friends who don't have kids who have adult
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  Speaker 2: kids and have like a good amount of money. Like
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  Speaker 2: it's a weird place to be when you text your
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  Speaker 2: homeboy and he just not there. And you're like, every
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  Speaker 2: time you texted me, like, nah, I'm here. I'm there.
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  Speaker 2: Like that just was never something that I had to consider.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a certain group of my friends, I know
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  Speaker 2: where they ass going to be all the time. And
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  Speaker 2: they tell me when they're going to be somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: They're so excited. They've been telling me about it for months.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I know. I know that Johnny going
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  Speaker 2: to be in Mexico in May. Because Johnny been telling
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  Speaker 2: me for a year he go to Mexico in May.
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  Speaker 2: But some of these people, especially in New York, I
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  Speaker 2: come to New York often and I text some of
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  Speaker 2: my New York friends who are like later life friends who...
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  Speaker 2: doing interesting things. Like, hey, I'm in town, you want
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  Speaker 2: to grab dinner? I'm in Paris.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing I realized is that, like, I ain't got, like,
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  Speaker 1: a crew.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have, like, lots of friends in different places, but no, like, crew.
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  Speaker 1: And crew become kind of important in New York because
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  Speaker 1: one thing you do on the weekends in the summer
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  Speaker 1: here is a very broad term called go upstate.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: You go to some pretty place that's not far away,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a crew endeavor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is definitely a crew endeavor. I mean, the crew,
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  Speaker 2: the adult crew is like, in many ways, it's substitute,
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  Speaker 2: especially if you don't have kids. It's like, there's some
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  Speaker 2: things you can't, you can't go to like, I went
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  Speaker 2: to Martha's Vineyard for the first time this year. Eh,
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  Speaker 2: you can't really do that alone. Like, that's not a
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  Speaker 2: show up alone. You gotta, if you don't got family
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  Speaker 2: or kids or whatever, then you need a crew.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go across the world by myself. To the Catskills,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to have a crew.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, I'd like to do things that you do with crews, right?
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  Speaker 1: This is, I'd say, not just a person, right? But
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  Speaker 1: a crew. Because I also feel like you go to
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  Speaker 1: the places, just two people. Damn, we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: tired of each other quick.
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  Speaker 2: Do people still have like, I mean, maybe it's just me,
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  Speaker 2: but I think my friends are, my groups are kind
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  Speaker 2: of like you were. It's like, yeah, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: something here, there, something there. Whatever. But are there I
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  Speaker 2: guess that most people probably do like stay in the
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  Speaker 2: area that they grew up with and they high school
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  Speaker 2: crew still a crew. That's nice. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: People in New York got crews. OK, here's what I
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  Speaker 1: have concluded, though, about the crew up nature of New York.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a very, very important thing, which is. I
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  Speaker 1: got here with just a little bit too much money.
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  Speaker 1: crews are we getting through this together right you know
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  Speaker 1: what i'm saying like like the crew is developed in
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  Speaker 1: part by necessity we work together we in here networking
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  Speaker 1: you know we've been like i seen you at a
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  Speaker 1: few of the same events because y'all all out here
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  Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing i don't traffic in
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  Speaker 1: those spaces like at the point at which i got
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  Speaker 1: to this city i wouldn't live in that life no
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  Speaker 1: more right so i got a crew my crew don't
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  Speaker 1: all like really live here though right like we have
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  Speaker 1: the group chat dinner yeah that's the crew that's our
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  Speaker 1: crew that's a crew with four people who live in three.
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  Speaker 2: Different cities yeah and one person who uh yeah lives
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  Speaker 2: it kind of lives in another continent another person whose
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  Speaker 2: job takes them all over the place i never know
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  Speaker 2: where none of y'all are and then you like just
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  Speaker 2: pop up and go on a solo trip to fucking
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  Speaker 2: ricky of it like i'm going to vietnam tomorrow like
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  Speaker 2: what yes vietnam.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild times, man. It's wild times. Speaking of wild times,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get us to the football. This just happens.
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  Speaker 1: Me and Dominique just have such a good time. We
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  Speaker 1: need to be able to do this as often. So
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  Speaker 1: we get together, we get reacquainted, and everybody else gets
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  Speaker 1: reacquainted with us. And I feel kind of like I
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  Speaker 1: talk about the Eagles a lot, but on one hand,
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  Speaker 1: I should talk about the Eagles a lot. Like people
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  Speaker 1: complain when you talk about the Cowboys too much because
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  Speaker 1: they're not good. But the Eagles are good, and we
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  Speaker 1: talk about them a lot because the fun is they're good,
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  Speaker 1: but we get to talk about them like they're not.
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  Speaker 1: If we're being honest, it's much more fun to talk
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  Speaker 1: about a team that is not that good than it
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  Speaker 1: is to talk about a team that is good. There's
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  Speaker 1: just not nearly as much material. But a team with
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  Speaker 1: a really good record that does not really good things, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: that is the cash money spot. And when you're like
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  Speaker 1: me and you feel that way about the quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: the coach, you are rich with material.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the perfect lane, too, because... People love
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  Speaker 2: to get mad. Like, there's one of two things I
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  Speaker 2: feel like people fall into these groups. If it's a
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  Speaker 2: local fan base, they need somebody to yell at. They
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  Speaker 2: gonna watch you, retweet you, or whatever. Because you make
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  Speaker 2: them mad. If it's other people, I think they like
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  Speaker 2: to understand what's going on and feel smart. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's great if there's a 4-0 team, but I'm able
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  Speaker 2: to tell you what's wrong with them. So then when
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  Speaker 2: you go out, you're like, hey, I know you like them. However, they,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they'll never throw the ball on first down.
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  Speaker 2: They think they're going to run like that. That is
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  Speaker 2: the sweet spot. And the Eagles, they're giving it to
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  Speaker 2: us the same way the Chiefs gave it to us
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  Speaker 2: last year. It's just perfect. Close games that they shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be close in. Oh, yeah. They feeding the beast.
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  Speaker 1: But the difference is, and I had literally forgotten about this. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've really talked about it. I think
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  Speaker 1: Deontay Lee, who we had on earlier this week, and
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  Speaker 1: for the people who have said it, don't you worry.
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  Speaker 1: He'll be back. I had kind of sort of forgotten
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  Speaker 1: about the epic collapse of 2023. Mm-hmm. where they started
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  Speaker 1: 10 and one and it all fell apart. And it
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  Speaker 1: fell apart in such a way that I know I
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  Speaker 1: felt this way. I know my buddy Nick felt this way.
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  Speaker 1: We thought it was impossible for them to bring Sirianni back.
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  Speaker 1: And then at the beginning of last year, Sirianni had
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  Speaker 1: the thing where he got into the argument with the fans.
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  Speaker 1: And I have a tweet that people love to break
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  Speaker 1: out where I'm like, look, y'all just gonna wait before
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  Speaker 1: y'all fire him? Cause you're going to fire him. And
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  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. They're going to fire him. They
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  Speaker 1: just won a Super Bowl before they did. So now
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  Speaker 1: they out here and, you know, you watch the film
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  Speaker 1: in ways I don't. I see the homie Dan Orlovsky
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  Speaker 1: make the point that all A.J. Brown out here doing
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  Speaker 1: is running goals and hitches. Like, that's all it is.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to be an offense that you run when
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  Speaker 1: you don't think your Super Bowl MVP quarterback is actually
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  Speaker 1: that good. Like, people get mad at me for saying
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts ain't that good. What you think about them?
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  Speaker 1: They around him every day and they telling you that
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  Speaker 1: he ain't that good.
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  Speaker 2: It does feel like it's funny, too, because I just
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  Speaker 2: had this random thought. And just before I got on here,
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  Speaker 2: I just looked up time on the play clock before
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  Speaker 2: you snap the ball just because I was wondering. And
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  Speaker 2: I know it's an obscure thing to look out, look up,
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  Speaker 2: but they're 31st in the league for with six point
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  Speaker 2: five seconds on the clock on average before they snap
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  Speaker 2: the ball. And the reason why I looked it up
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  Speaker 2: is because it feels like if you are playing in
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  Speaker 2: a game that you don't feel like you deserve to win.
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  Speaker 2: or you're better than your opponent, you're trying to milk
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  Speaker 2: the clock. I guess I was trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: why they run the ball on first down so often
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  Speaker 2: when it's not working and just get an idea for
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  Speaker 2: what they're trying to do. And it seems like when
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  Speaker 2: you have an ultra talented team, we want high pace,
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  Speaker 2: more plays. We play the more chances we have to
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  Speaker 2: demonstrate that we're better than you guys. If you want,
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  Speaker 2: if you're in a close situation or you feel like
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  Speaker 2: you're a weaker team, you have fewer plays. Like then it,
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  Speaker 2: increases the volatility of the situation like we only got
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  Speaker 2: 10 plays we might win on five if we got
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  Speaker 2: 50 plays we ain't going to win on, on 25.
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  Speaker 2: So it was just weird to me to see that
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  Speaker 2: that was also consistent with the way that they were playing.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you, you mentioned earlier, they were like,
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  Speaker 2: never again. I think they also looked at the reason
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  Speaker 2: why they were losing and it was turnovers and it
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  Speaker 2: was interceptions from, from Jalen. And they were like, never
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  Speaker 2: again we're not we're not going to do it unless
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  Speaker 2: we have to and I know Dan pointed out the
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  Speaker 2: fades or the goes and hitches they run a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of slants they also don't run very much play
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  Speaker 2: action which is nuts to me when you are a
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  Speaker 2: team that is known for running the ball in the
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  Speaker 2: play action that they do run if you watch it
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  Speaker 2: you'll see it's like it's not real play action it's
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  Speaker 2: just like he kind of faints the ball in the
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  Speaker 2: direction out of shotgun and then throws it deep it
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  Speaker 2: just There's so many effective plays out there that they
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  Speaker 2: could be running, that they could steal from teams that
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  Speaker 2: they play against, like the Rams, that they just don't.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't make sense to me that they don't
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  Speaker 2: want to win games, like put games, put teams away
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  Speaker 2: when they're obviously better than everybody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And this, you know, I think that as the year
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  Speaker 1: goes on, it will continue to look like it looks
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  Speaker 1: right now, which is to say it will become clearer
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  Speaker 1: and clearer that the best team in the NFC is
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  Speaker 1: is the Detroit Lions. Right now, they look like the best.
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  Speaker 1: They out here playing like the best. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's just because they are the best. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that people still struggle to wrap their minds around that idea.
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  Speaker 1: But they out here looking like the best. However, they
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  Speaker 1: are never as terrifying as the Eagles are terrifying when
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles choose to terrify. And because the Eagles terrifying
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  Speaker 1: can be done with pressure with four, right? Like the
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  Speaker 1: idea that they can still just mob on you. Pressure
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  Speaker 1: with four, and we have Sharks back here. That part's
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  Speaker 1: not going to change.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. They've gotten weaker at the pressure with four, but,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, also a lot of it is injury-related. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Carter has some sort of injury situation that's slowing
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  Speaker 2: him down. Nolan Smith's out of there, but they still
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  Speaker 2: do have– I mean, Jordan Davis we saw a couple
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago where he kind of single-handedly won that game. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: they have the talent there. But they kind of transitioned
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  Speaker 2: from where they had waves of pressure up front to
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  Speaker 2: now feeling like a more linebacker-centric, a more secondary-centric team.
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  Speaker 2: And that dude, Quinion Mitchell, we don't talk about him enough.
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  Speaker 2: We get a lot of attention to the exciting whites
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  Speaker 2: and Zach Vaughn. But Quinion out there, man, he's playing
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  Speaker 2: defense in a way. Maybe they'll call it a little
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  Speaker 2: closer because he's a little grabby, but he's locking people down, man.
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  Speaker 2: And it's making it easier for them to do so
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  Speaker 2: many other things because they aren't aren't dominating up front
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  Speaker 2: on offense or defensive line the way that we kind
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  Speaker 2: of come to expect them to. And we still kind
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  Speaker 2: of give them that benefit of the doubt. But on
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  Speaker 2: offensive line in particular, like that's kind of the problem
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  Speaker 2: with the running game right now. They not, they was
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  Speaker 2: pushing people back last year. They're not doing that now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this too. Have we simply
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  Speaker 1: become more sophisticated as like fans and media or is
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  Speaker 1: AJ Brown just really good at it? And what I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying is, His gimme the damn ball speech sounds more
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  Speaker 1: selfless than anybody's gimme the ball speech ever has sounded
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  Speaker 1: right because we talked about this this used to happen
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  Speaker 1: all the time and the underrated part of it is
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  Speaker 1: just because we win and doesn't mean it's right you
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  Speaker 1: know and so for him he's like yeah man you
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  Speaker 1: know i just think we'd be a lot better if
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  Speaker 1: we got me the ball and guess what i think
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  Speaker 1: the exact same thing like when that is always a
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  Speaker 1: tricky situation when the solution is do the thing that's
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  Speaker 1: best for me but that really is the solution and
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  Speaker 1: nobody else is saying.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's an evolution of media, honestly. Some of
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  Speaker 2: the evolutions of media are better. Some of them are worse.
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  Speaker 2: This is one that I think is better, is that
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  Speaker 2: we take people's complaints, not all of them, but some
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  Speaker 2: people's complaints, people with credibility, we take their complaints and
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  Speaker 2: then we go match it up with what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: And we all see it. And the funny thing is, A.J.
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  Speaker 2: Brown is not the spearhead of this conversation. Oftentimes, it's
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  Speaker 2: the receiver who's the spearhead of it. And then we
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  Speaker 2: go back and look and like, hey, Y'all winning, y'all fine,
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  Speaker 2: you just being selfish. A.J. Brown is late. He's saying
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  Speaker 2: it after we've been saying it. Like, get him the ball.
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  Speaker 2: He's good. These matchups are in your favor. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's easy when he's saying what we're saying.
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  Speaker 2: He just said it after we said it, and he's
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  Speaker 2: using the Bible. It always helps to use the Bible.
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  Speaker 2: People like that, man. People like that.
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  Speaker 1: He did use the Bible. He tried to say he
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  Speaker 1: was talking about something else. Well, what was you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: And he used books last year. It's like, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just reading, man. Just love to read. Self-help. I'm all
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  Speaker 2: about that. And also, Jesus. Now throw me the ball.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciated him reading last year because it was a
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  Speaker 1: physical book on top of that. I ain't even realized
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  Speaker 1: nobody his age was still getting down like that.
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  Speaker 2: Nah, it was a prop is what it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was a Kindle. We'd have thought he was looking at plays.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, let me bring this book out here
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  Speaker 2: so y'all can see this.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: But you know who is the big winner from A.J.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Brown's situation? It's Devontae Smith. Because something I will always
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: remember is last year when A.J. Brown had one of the,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: it was in the locker room where he was giving
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: the quotes. Mike Sielski, the great Mike Sielski, columnist in Philadelphia. Yeah.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: always made the point of that day. He was like,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Devontae Smith was over there saying the exact same thing, right?
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: So like, AJ Brown doesn't, he gets to say it all.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Then Devontae Smith, I wonder if he's over here like,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I bet y'all would listen to me if I was taller.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but he over there
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: saying the exact same thing.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: But I mean, to be fair to Devontae Smith is,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: he ain't saying it in the way, the same way.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a, I'll never forget this. It was when,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I think, I forgot who he was in a beef with.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: It might have been, I don't know, I shouldn't speculate,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: but AJ had some sort of on-field issue with a player.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: And it stuck with me that he responded to the video.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: It might have been CJ. No, he didn't play with him.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: But anyway, it doesn't matter. It's some DB that he
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: was mad at. And DB was talking all this trash online.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: And AJ put up a video that said, I'm with
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: the shits. Pfft. I suspect that A.J. Brown knows what
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: he's doing, what he's talking to the media. I do
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: not think that A.J. Brown uses indirect communication in the
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: locker room. I don't suspect that he is quoting the
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Bible when people are pissing him off. I think that
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: he's saying what he needs to say to them in
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: the building. And Devontae can't speak for him, but generally
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: that's not his vibe. He seems like a, I mean...
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Not that AJ's not a good guy, but Devontae's like, hey,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with it. I'm cool. AJ has
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: told us he's with the shits.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Speaking of direct conversations imply being with the shits, we
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: talked on Monday about Robert Sala low-key threatening to kill
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Liam Cohen.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Low-key?
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, we're not treating it like that's what
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: he did. I will end your fucking life is like...
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: We treat death threats with a level of seriousness that
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: we haven't treated this one with, is all I'm saying. Like,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the gap is between I will
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: end your life and a death threat. Because apparently, there's
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: a space between the two.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: No, there's no space between the two. I think that... Okay,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: here's an example for you. There are certain places... certain
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: rooms in your house that is okay to say and
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: do certain things. If you said and did the things
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: that you say and do to a person in that
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: room on the street, you in trouble. Keep your hands
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: to yourself and don't call me out my name. Unless, right?
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And that's how I feel about things that take place
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: on the football field. They were still inside the white lines.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Inside them white lines, you can say and do certain things.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to make the point that the example
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that you're providing is undergirded by a notion of consent
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: that clearly did not exist in this case because Liam
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Cohen was trying so hard to run away.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: He turned around and came back. But I think that
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: it's The consent is implied. You don't show up to
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a football game and think your life's not going to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: get threatened.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, implied consent. That's a dangerous space.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Not on football today. Not on football today.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Football does not require enthusiasm with the consent. He told
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that man, I will eat your life. And by the way,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like that's how he normally talks.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: So, no, it's definitely not how he normally talks.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: But.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I've threatened a life or two on the football field.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean it. I've had my life threatened a
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: couple times out there. And then afterwards, it was good.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: These aren't players.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It don't matter. It don't matter.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I know what you're saying.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I hear you.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I hear you. Time and place, right? Time and place
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: makes certain things possible. I just, that is the obvious
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: explanation for what it is. It's just so funny to me.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And as I look back on it, I was like,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: yo robert solid was really talking a big game and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: then came back the next day like it didn't happen
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: it was like when pac-man jones lost his mind in
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that playoff game where all the all the crazy bangles
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: did crazy things and then like 10 minutes after the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: game he was like oh baby i'm good i'm good
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: i'm good.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It's a wild place, man. Like, I think it's not
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: a normal workplace. I mean, we have labor issues that
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: other people can understand and relate to, but there's some
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: things about the workplace that are different. One of those
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: things is when you leave your house in the morning,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: your life might get threatened. It might get threatened.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It's a workplace where fighting your co-workers is on the board.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's a workplace that I think you would have appreciated.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I will say this. You knowing me the way
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: you know me and different things about me and my
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: time in this business, yes. What you said to me
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: very early in us working together has stuck with me
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: forever is that what you missed about football was the accountability.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Loved it, man.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah. I totally... 100% see that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: We did an interview once with Rashad Mendenhall on HQ
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and he said it really took him a long time.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Sean King, you talk about this too, getting in the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: media and realize maybe not everybody else is soft, right?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Because all you do coming out of football is think
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: that everybody else in the world is soft.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but there are, I don't want to
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: sound like some manosphere podcaster guy, but there are some
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: values that, To a place where, and it don't feel
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: good to be the one who's getting accounted. But it's real, man. Like,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I can't say that it never hurt my feelings when
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: a coach or a teammate was like, get it the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: fuck together. I didn't love it. But I do miss
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the times when I'm able to tell somebody, which I
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: can't anymore. I can't directly tell somebody, get it the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: fuck together. Which I could at one point. Or also,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you didn't need to tell them.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: They knew. It's man coverage right now, third and three.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: You got to stop this guy from catching the ball.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: If he catch it, we ain't got to talk about it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: You know, accountability. Love it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing that also seems to be the case
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: about the football accountability, and you tell me if I'm
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: wrong here, but it sounds as though the vast majority
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of the times when people are giving you those words,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: they are correct.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Like, the thing that gets unwieldy, I think, at these
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: other jobs is, this motherfucker might be telling you anything.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You're like, what are you talking about? That does not
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: actually apply to what's going on here. It sounds very rare.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: It sounds like when somebody gives y'all one of those
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: speeches at football, and you're like, but wait a minute, brother,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you got this all wrong.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: You got to understand, you know, what happened in that situation.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: There's no what had happened was, and I... again, there's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: some drawbacks to it, but overall it's a place that
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I would, that I enjoyed being in because of how
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: straightforward it was. And there's, and I find myself, I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: consider myself to be pretty empathetic and compassionate person. When
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: people fall short of my expectations in life, I'm willing
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to listen to the excuses or explanations and extend you
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: some level of grace. That's gross because, and I, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: balancing that with my kids is, I mean, it's a
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: thing where it's like, look, Okay, your computer ain't work. Fine.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: You lost your login or whatever. All right, you had
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: practice and all this other stuff. Yeah, it was real hard.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Did you get the assignment done on time? No, that's
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: on you. You can tell me all excuses. I'm sorry.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I love you. That sucks. It's happened to me before too.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: But we're going to have to figure out how we
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: can fix this. But what we're not going to do
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: is say, oh, no, it's not your fault. It's all
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: his fault. It's still your fault. It's still your fault.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Whether you want to accept it or not, it's your fault.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: If it ain't your fault, it don't matter. It's your problem.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: You tell me all this shit, you still got a zero.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: You still get taxed some points on your grade. As
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you can tell, I had to come home and straight
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: some shit out recently. It stressed me out. I don't
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: want to hear that shit, man. I don't.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: You know what? It's interesting to get here that I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: feel like as we've talked about these last few years
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of Patrick Mahomes, The thing of those years of Mahomes
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that I've truly come to appreciate is, hey, man, Cam
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Newton was like this, too. No excuses. Like, okay, well,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I guess we just got to figure something else out. Hey, man,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: maybe I should have thrown it a little softer, and
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: then his wide-open ass would have caught the ball. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: he says that without sounding passive-aggressive. Like, look, this is
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: who he is. I recognize that. I could be like
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: eight different people.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, you saw Cameron Ward last weekend. We asked.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, I can't believe how much, the one
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that got me, and we played it, but he was like, ass?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Like, he's just, he's just like, there's no need for
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: us to be dishonest about what's going on here.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Right. There's no need for me to tell you, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I'll go on to go in depth later on. We
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: can talk about specific ass behavior and specific reasons why
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: we ass, but first, the headline in Big Bo' Loves,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Above the Fold, We ass. We need to know it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: We can't be un-ass until we address it back. We ass. Right.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And by the way, he did that while I think
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: being a touch more dignified than people realize, or diplomatic
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: is the word I'm looking for, because he did not
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: give the most obvious answer to what the most ass part,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like what the muscle of this ass... I don't know
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: if it's the muscle or the... hole in this case, right?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But we know, you know what? It's the hole because
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it's the stinkiest part of the team, which is their
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: coach stinks.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: There we go. And the thing is, their coach knows.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not going to be Cameron Ward telling him,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: but he knows. Somebody's telling him. That's exactly it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Everything else that's going on is the muscle. Everything else
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: is the booty. But we talk about ass we talk
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: about the essence of it we talk about the epicenter
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it is it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Is a defining trait like all that other stuff you
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: can find elsewhere right you can't find that.
• 26:03
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• 26:10
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• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Dominique, you are a labor guy. You have worked for
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the National Basketball Players Association. You're the past president of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the NFL Players Association. Nafisa Collier sat down and gave
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a four-minute statement at her postseason press conference. That, I mean,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: anybody that's ever wanted to, she was kind of like
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Cam Ward. If Cam Ward didn't raise his voice and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: they were like, so Cam Ward, what do you think
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: about the commissioner of the WNBA? We keep it at
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a buck.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: She ass. Oh, I loved it. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It's not something I would have done. I think that
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: there's fair reasons to criticize the way that she went
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: about it. Like the private conversations. Like I, I don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: think that you can... I don't love sharing what happened
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: in these private conversations. But sometimes you're going to make
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: some mistakes and the bottom line got to cross. You
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: need to find some ways to create leverage points where
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: you can in CBA negotiations. Perpetuating the... And she's not
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: creating this, but perpetuating, finding ways to put gas on
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the fire that the commissioner is... unfair or incompetent or
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: anything like that works in negotiations. That tilts the favor,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that tilts the energy, the public energy and the internal
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: energy in your favor until they do something about it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: And also just destabilize it, what's happening over there from
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a strategic standpoint. I'm not saying that this is all strategic.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Some of this to me was also like she wanted
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: to get this stuff off her chest. But the fact
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: is a written statement. She was prepared. She obviously was
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: waiting until her exit. to use it so it doesn't
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: become like a storyline for her team going forward, but
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I loved it. We can discuss the individual things that
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: she accused Kathy of. But it's just I mean, it's
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: going to be a fight. And I think you and
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I were texting about this and you made the point.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: That's a good one is it's the most important one.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Y'all don't pay them enough.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Y'all don't pay them.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Enough to think that they won't shut it down.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: She got her own league, right? They got their own
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: other league that's going on up here.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: That's where she said the conversations were being had, which
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: was funny. Was like, yeah, this was at Unrivaled, at
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the place that pays us more fairly. She said some
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: crazy shit.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Right, like what can the WNBA take away from Nafisa Collier?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: other than a low-paying job, right? Or like a relatively
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: low-paying job. But what is it that she got to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: be afraid? Man, they're going to blackball me out of
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the WNBA. Let me tell you something. You get black
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: ball allegedly Colin Kaepernick out of the NFL and everybody
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: going to go out there and play football. That is
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: not what is going to happen in this league. If
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: you decided to do something retributive toward her on the base.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: That ain't, that ain't, uh-uh, uh-uh. They going to have,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: it ain't just going to be about them t-shirts they
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: press up and go out there and wear. Nah, dog,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that ain't happening. I would, I want to say this
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: about the private conversation part. And for people who don't
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: know exactly what Kyle, you said, One thing she mentioned, well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: first of all, one of the all-time great quotes, when
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: she said, we have the best fans in the league,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the best fans in the world. We have the best
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: athletes in the world. We have the worst leadership in
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the world. And she is referring to the commissioner as
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Kathy over, Kathy Engelbert is her name, over and over
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and over again. Like this was, there were no strays
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to be caught here. It was direct. And one thing
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: she said was that, Kaya says that young players like
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Angel Reese, Kalen Clark, and Paige Beckers are making so
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: much money for this league, but they receive so little
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: money for their first four years in the league, right?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Which I thought was a very interesting phrasing because you
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: could argue that after those four years, they'll probably still
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: be underpaid, but she kept it very specific, you know,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to the context of the first four years. And then says,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: that the commissioner has told her that those women should
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: drop to their knees and say thank you to her
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: for the media deal that she negotiated and the argument
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that the WNBA platform is what allows these women to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: then make their money off the court, which, number one,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: is wholly incorrect. I think we would all agree that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the platform of college basketball is what built the stardom
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: of those women. Like, I mean, you tell me if
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong here, but I think that's very clear.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's absolutely obvious. But I think what
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Kathy is saying is once you leave college, then you
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: can't get endorsements if you're not doing something. Like, if
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: you don't have an American league to play in, Nike
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: or Under Armour or whoever is not going to pay
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: you the money to be a part of State Farm,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: to be a part of their product, if you're playing
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: overseas only in games that we don't see or necessarily
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: care about.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Hey, brother, I hear you. Kaitlin Clark can play for
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the Globetrotters or the Savannah Bananas. Don't you worry. They'll, uh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: they'd have been someplace to put her. But anyway, um, that,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: those last two things where she said, where Nabi Zakaia
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: said that that's what the commissioner told her. Those were
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: in private conversations and she offered them in public. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: would make the argument that, that when you say something
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: like that in private, you know that ain't staying private
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: for very long. Now, what Collier could have said was,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I know that the commissioner believes and then said the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: exact same thing, right? Maybe it would be a similar
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: violation of trust, but it lands differently. It goes over differently.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: But in the end, I don't think any of that matters. Now,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: what I don't know, is what this carries on and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: continues into. Because, so people got mad at me. Because
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: during the All-Star festivities they had, when the Stud Buds
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: were out there live streaming Life, and Kathy came and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: kicked it with them, and somebody was making some criticism
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: of the fact that this was not a good look
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: for the league. And I was like, look, I don't
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: really know about that. I just hope that everybody here
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: understands that this woman is not your friend. And I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: got hammered by a bunch of people who made the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: argument that these are grown women. They've gone this far.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: They know better. And I'm like, look, my existence in
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: sports is just a little bit different. Dominique, I think
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: that you would agree with me on this. It takes
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: some of y'all boys a while before you realize this
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: because the commissioner dapped you up that he's not your friend.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Matt Shaw, I don't know if you saw this, but
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: he wrote his manifesto for wanting to be the president
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of the union, which is really interesting. But an important
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: point he made was. Somebody from the PA should also
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: be on stage to welcome you not just into the league,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: but to welcome you into the union, because ultimately the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: commissioner is not your friend.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: This is something that people struggle with across the board.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit surprised that people were upset
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: with me for making that statement. There is your proof
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: if you didn't get it though, right? So maybe everybody
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: understood it already, but I feel like if it was
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: already really understood like that, Nafis Akali, you don't need
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to get out here and say this in front of
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the world. But this is the truth. That's not your friend.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: They're about to go into a labor negotiation that's going
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to be really hard for a lot of people to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: watch because this league doesn't just sell itself as a league.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: It sells itself as a cause. It sells itself about
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: something greater and, you know, a lot of girl power,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: girl boss type stuff, right? And now you about to
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: see that girl boss is going to try to break
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: y'all because capitalism don't believe in none of that shit
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that y'all are talking about right now, right? It's the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: same thing with people like, we need Black owners. They
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: going to do the same shit these other people are
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: out here doing. That's what's going to be a part
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of watching this is going to be that part. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I love hearing it from Collier because I'm like, okay,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: so you recognize it's a war going on outside. No
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: one is safe.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So we need Black owners is.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: So you just want another reason to be disappointed in them.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, what it requires to become
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: an owner of a team is an extensive vetting process.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: And oftentimes, they have already been minority owners on other teams.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: They've worked their way all the way through this process.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Trust me. They are not... Whoever becomes the owner of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: a team is not going to be the freedom fighter
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: that you believe they should be.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: No, they weed those out!
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they... We doze out. And also there's, there's, yeah,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I be careful the way that I want to say this,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: but I, I get that there is a value to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: feeling like we're closer to an equitable society. If there
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: is representation, right. It's hope that no one thinks that
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the representation is going to change the status quo. You
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: just say like, Oh, maybe the path is a little clearer.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: That aside, I remember working at the NBA PA, and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: also after I left, I just kept saying about Adam Silver,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: because he's the nicest guy. He's so charismatic. I mean,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: charismatic is the wrong word, but he comes across as
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: very genuine. He's a kind guy. There were some issues
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that came up that made it very easy for him
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: to put himself on the right side of it. He
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: was the opposite of David Stern. He showed some respect
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to the players in a way that he didn't before.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: And I was the whole time saying, like, look, when
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: it comes time to make some choices, I do not
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: want us to have positioned him as the friendly owner
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: or the friendly commissioner that cares about us. Because then
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: it makes it so much harder, particularly in the media,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: when we're trying to galvanize some support. Everyone's going to say,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: but Adam, he's a good guy. Yeah, he did a
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: lot of good things. But right now, he tried to
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: cut our throat. And I think that's the point. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: you made this point about their league being kind of
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a cause. Also, I think there's a ton of other
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: context around talking to and talking about women's sports, that
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: there's a defensiveness. It feels like if you're telling them, don't, like,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: this ain't a good look, don't trust that she's going
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: to look out for you, you would have said that
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: to anybody and have said that across other sports. But
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I think it probably comes across as, like, these women
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: need some help. They don't know that they get tricked.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Listen here, young ladies.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: You need to know.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: It was more like, hey, young blood.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Let me put you on game.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Let me put you on game. She's showing up at
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: your little party.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, go, Kathy. Go, Kathy. Right? It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Kathy, bad news. the piece of collier did not need
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to hear that from me the piece of collier so
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: maybe i got it all the way wrong right maybe
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: maybe they all the piece of collier i could be
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the one that got it bad but she sat there
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: with a straight face and ran through that whole thing
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: i wouldn't know what question to ask after that what
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: are we supposed to do that's the kind of thing
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: where you be in there like yo.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Is this happening she answered all the questions that you
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: could have asked She was like, she got to go.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Because that would be my question is like, so what
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: do you do next with her? What do you want? Like,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I would try to get her to determine. She's like, nah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: get her up out of there. So whether she was
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: at the dance party or not. And that's the thing
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: You run this risk that you don't run for the
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: W because of the point you made about the money
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that they make is there's enough money and there's enough
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: success and opportunities for basketball players and a lot of
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: football players also that they never have to confront. That
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: was the issue with quarterbacks. You never have to confront
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: that you are one of us, not one of them.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: And quarterbacks, they don't find out until later. Like star
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks don't find out until later that you are– They
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: treat you like you one of them, but you actually
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: are one of us. And I think that the WNBA
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: players don't have a, they don't have a hard time.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Like they can go dance with her, but when they
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: pick up a check, you know, they don't have a
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: hard time being reminded that they don't really care about us. 9%
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: is insane.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: A salary cap for a whole team is $ 1. 5 million.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Madness.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: They play games in arenas, bruh. Like in arenas. They
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: not out here playing like, like you don't get a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: little red ticket at mid one.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Madness. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And on top of it,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: it's just like the, the franchise values matter to me
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: also a lot more than anything. And people are like, well,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: they aren't making money. And like, that's a fine thing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: That's an investment. They don't own these teams. Like, yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I'm fine for not making money. If I'm a co-founder
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: of this particular startup, if I'm a consultant or some
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: hired help, you're going to pay me the market rate.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Because I'm not going to be around to cash in
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: on that stock that you guys are going to be
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: around to cash in on. So, like, telling me that
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: while you got $ 100 million franchise value is like, I
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit how you manage your money.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can shut the whole thing down
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: if you want.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Go right ahead.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's always on
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the board. You have the option of shutting this down,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: but clearly you don't want to shut this down because
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: clearly there's a value that you derive. When Ballmer first
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: bought the Clippers, I forget who it was that wrote
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the article about yet, and watch all the losses they're
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: going to take. Just for the tax benefits that are
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: provided by this. Like, come on, man, these people ain't
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: out here because they eat money. The other part is,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: let's just say you double the salary from one and
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: a half to three million. That still feels really low.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I still think that there is a very we don't
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: have a great answer for what is fair. Right. Or
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: what is an appropriate wage? For people participating in this league,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I saw Monica was on first take on Wednesday and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: she made the point about how female basketball players no
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: longer want to be treated like they are second class.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: But I'm not exactly sure what qualifies as first. You
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I like I personally just
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: don't have the answer for what exactly that is. Is
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: it about money? Is it about the accommodations that are
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: provided as a team? I know that what it is
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: right now isn't going to work if for no other
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: reason than respect is conferred upon people in this society
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: through money. That's the bottom line, right? Forget about what
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the balance sheet says. If you pay somebody $ 10 an hour,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: you know what they think of that person. And that's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a big part of what we're dealing with here.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I don't know to your point, what exactly
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: is fair and it's impossible. Like, because we, we've been
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: trained to kind of tie there to tie athletes income
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to a percentage of revenue, because that's how we've kind
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: of always negotiated it. And, and so we can continue
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to use that, which may not be the best way
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: to determine how valuable a player is. It's fine, but
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: we'll continue to use that. I don't know what the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: exact right number is, but I'm going to need you
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers to get in the neighborhood. 9%, Bomani, 9% of revenue. Like,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going to need you to get in the neighborhood. So,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: By the way, right fast, on the revenue split, because
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: revenue splits have been getting smaller and smaller and smaller
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: over the years, I want to give a measure of perspective.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, them splits was well over 50%
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: on the sides of the players. Yep. Like they were
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: in the 65% range in some cases. I think the
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: NBA at one point was 65% of the revenue split.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: And every year the pie gets bigger and the split
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: gets smaller. Now, of course, this is a larger societal issue,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: which is corporate profits higher than ever, wages flat, right?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: The rich people keep getting more money. Everybody else's situation
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: stays flat. Schaub in his manifesto also made this point about, yeah,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the salary cap has gone up by whatever multiple, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the franchise values have gone up by 10.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: And I think so we use revenue split, but revenue
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: is one of those terms that can mean a bunch
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: of different things depending on how you define them. And
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: so like we would have audits when I was at
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the basketball union to go figure out where all the
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: money was. And every year they would have to give
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: us some money because we found some way for them
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: to try to take some revenue and say, Oh no,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: this ain't basketball revenue. This is some other revenue. And
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: the reason why you use revenue is because like, yeah, profits,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you can say this cost that whatever you can change,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: you can play with the books, but you can always
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: play with the books. So I, it's hard to figure
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: out exactly what, um, what the right number is, but
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: you can't really get around them. So that's, I guess
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: that's my major point is like, I'm not going to
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: come definitively definitively on what people deserve or how much
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: they should be paid. But I know what's what feels unfair.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And that feels unfair.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I think that this is interesting as the idea of
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: a labor, if there is a, if it comes to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the point of a work stoppage, which I think it
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: probably will.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I think this is the rare case where the owners
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: have more to lose for the work stoppage than the
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: players do. because this is not, you're going to be
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: missing your million dollar a week check, right? Whole lot
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: of these women can just go over to Ben and
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Jerry's and scoop their way to the same money. The
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: way they fucking getting paid. You know what I mean?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Like, in fact.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: They might not want to come back to work.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And I mean, if they, if unrivaled, like the stars
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: can go do stuff like that. And those are the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: people that they care about. Like, let's be real about this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Like if, if Caitlin Clark held a one person strike,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: they would pay more attention than if there was 50%
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: of the league, the bottom half of the league said
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: they were not going to show up. So.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Kalen Clark, Barnstorm and Tour.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Cash. She could make money for everybody.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Right, because what the WNBA doesn't have is brand equity.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares about your teams. There's no individual franchise that
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: rings out in this country. You lack the brand equity.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Wherever Kaitlyn Clark go, that's where the circus is going
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to go. Her as an example, because I don't want
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to act like she's the only person. But if they
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: really wanted to do this up, Kaitlyn Clark and her
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: squad versus Angel Reese and her squad.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And before every game, they pretend like they shooting for teams.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: But in the end, all it turns into is Kaitlyn
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Clark and Sophie Cunningham.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Iowa versus LSU, baby. Bring it back.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Bring it back. Bring it back.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Bring it back, boy.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. They'll make all the money.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: In fact, the WNBA will change up their whole situation.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: They'll be like, yo, we got to come up with
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: a new approach.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: The brand equity point is, you know, they would make
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: a ton of money if they just had the Angel
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Reese team just travel through the Midwest and play collection teams.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And then bring Caitlin Clark, all, all the major cities
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: on the East coast. Right. Like, we just got to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: show up with your crew and major cities, East coast.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Do it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Do it. Do it. Like full on wrestling. We're like,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't like Caitlin Clark come out from the back.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Or like Angel Reese, just sneak into the game. Just, just, just,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: just come out.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Is Angel Reese checking in? She wasn't even supposed to
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: be here.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: The brand equity point is a great one. Cause we,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: we've thought about, um, or discuss having our draft as
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: a players union, have, the draft telecast our own separate
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: draft telecast where you wait for the draft to happen
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: and all the players are at a union party and
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: then they do the whole charade because there's no reason
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: that you have to be there once they call your
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: name we can have the charade at our place but
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: and then we also like bounced around the idea some
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: players wanted to like start a competing league but the
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: conversation always ends on there is brand equity like These
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: people are really Steelers fans. They're not going to show
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: up for the Pittsburgh Stallions. Like, that don't get them excited.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: There's some value to that that you can't lie about.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And the WNBA can't say the same thing. Like, they
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: might have had a better chance if all the women's
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: teams were just the same name as the men's teams. Like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: there might have been some brand equity there. But, like,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: don't nobody care about the Valkyrie?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Yo, people got really mad at Ethan Strauss for making
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: that suggestion. Making them all so like the W-Nicks or
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the W-Nets would probably be a better example. The W-Hawks
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: or whatever it was. I'm not exactly sure why people
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: got so mad, but this is actually what happens overseas. Yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Like it's not the worst for them. It's not attaching
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: yourself to a better known brand is I mean, look, man,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the Boston Braves. Which one was it? A lot of
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: those baseball teams, like that was a thing that you
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: would have the same name, Giants and Giants in New York,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: for example, right? Like, you know, the football Giants, the
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: baseball Giants, like college. Yeah. People attach themselves. This is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: how it goes. I want to switch gears a little
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: bit before we get out of here. What do you
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: think about that boy Shador doing that Panama situation? And
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: for those who don't know, the Browns put Joe Flacco
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: on the bench. They're going to start dealing.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Gabriel.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I would like to remind you that I told you
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: guys Shador Sanders is going to get to start at
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: some point because everybody else is terrible. But he's still
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the third string quarterback. And so he was asked about
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: it and he moved his lips and no words came out.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: And that is exactly what happened. He acted like he
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: pantomimed talking to the media.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: It would have been better if that was you just
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: like a figure of speech. You know, like when people–
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: when quarterbacks do quarterback speak and essentially they're moving their
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: lips but not actually saying anything. Like, Shador should have
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: done that. I don't know, man.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Like, it's the– I mean, that was a great time
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: for quarterback speech. Just going to keep on chopping wood, baby.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Like, I can't– I control what I can control. Like,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: this is a message to me that I got to
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: be better. I know that my opportunity going to come.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. Like, it's so– so many platitudes
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: that you could have rolled out. Like, I hate to
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: be judgmental on these sorts of things. So like, ultimately
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: it probably won't have a major effect. I don't give
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: a damn about it, but it does speak to, I
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: think it speaks to how he is in that building,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: which is again, I don't want to make too far
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: of a leap, but it just like, if you're unwilling
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: to say in that moment, man, I love my teammates.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: We just try and get a win. I do whatever
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I do to get support. I don't know, the bullshit.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Or even say no comment. Just like that is, I
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: don't know. It just feels like it draws attention and
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: it opens yourself up unnecessarily to some bullshit.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask this question. What conversations have Jimmy
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Haslam and Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry had such that
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I don't really be hearing nobody talking about firing them.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, I understand that Jimmy
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Haslam's the one that's got to eat this because the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: big part of why they're here is they made one
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: of the worst quarterback decisions of all time when they
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: brought our own nasty ass Deshaun Watson in and gave
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: up the world and gave up all that money, right?
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: That's part of how they ended up in the situation
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: that they have now. They went and got Joe Flacco,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: which to me, knowing what we've known about this franchise
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: since it came back to life in 1999, you did
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: that because the fans like him. the fans enjoyed that year.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: So you, you knew you weren't going to be good.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: So you gave him a feel good. And then you
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: tried to make some cheap plays underneath him to maybe
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: get a quarterback. That's fine. I get all that, but
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that normally don't save nobody's job. Like it is amazing.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And I don't think any of this is necessarily Stefanski's fault,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: but if none of these young quarterbacks show that they
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: got anything, then what are we saying here? Like, did
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: he also not have to let the guy that couldn't
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: quite get it right with Baker?
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. It's a good point because normally
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: you don't stick around if you've been this bad for
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: this long. They snuck into the playoffs, was that two
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: years ago? To your point, Joe Flacco feel good. He
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: threw back-to-back pick sixes and then we wasn't feeling good
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: no more. I think you could, if you're someone who's like, yeah,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want the results to taint the decision process.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I want to trust the people that are doing it.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: You can make a great argument for Andrew Barry having
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: done a good job. especially if you are going to
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: take the Deshaun Watson decision off his jacket, which I
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: think we all have already taken that off. Like we
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: put that on the owner, like the roster that they've
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: been able to continue to put together has been pretty
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: good one. And so like, I guess I get your
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: point based on the results. Normally we move on from
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: these guys, but based on the process, again, if we
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: can get off the Deshaun Watson thing and say that's
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: not on them, which is combined with moving on from
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Baker and having Baker play through injury and not accepting
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: that there should be some discount rate on the way
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: that we grade him. Like that ain't on them. Then
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: they do it a good job. I know.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: But it's amazing that they are. That's all I'm saying. Like,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I want to know the conversation that everybody like, how
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: down does everybody around have to be on the Deshaun
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Watson decision that the people ain't clamoring in that way?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Or maybe they are because it's Cleveland and they, you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: They ain't even got cookies at the Doubletree, man. They
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: be salty as hell all the time. I'ma say that
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: every time. Just so everybody understands.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: They ain't got no.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Man, like, Cleveland, the brief moment I was there was like,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Baltimore just not as charming.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Baltimore got some charm, man.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: It does. That's exactly what I'm saying. But what if
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you take the charm out?
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Charm city my ass. That's maybe what we call Cleveland,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: charmless city.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: When I had to defend Baltimore on the East Coast,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I try to remind people that Baltimore is not an
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: East Coast city. It's a Midwest city that happens to
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: be on the East Coast. It's a Rust Belt-ass town, baby.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: So don't compare us to D.C., Philly, and New York.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Those are different types of cities. We are fancy Cleveland.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: We off the hook Pittsburgh. Yeah, we are fly ass Detroit.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: That's us, man. But we're not a low budget DC
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: because that's not, we're not going for that. Not even
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: our aim.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: The first time you said that, I was like, oh, okay,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: this makes sense. But with Shador, it's, look, I'll tell
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: you again, one day he's going to play. There's just
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: no way around it because like, Dylan Gabriel, man, I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: saw him out there in the game, and it looked
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: like when they let a little homie go through it
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and they let him get a touchdown at the spring game,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: that's how he looked out there.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: They put my man, he going to make his first
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: career start in Europe against Brian Flores, crazy-ass defense.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Yo, he going to be standing on his tippy toes
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: looking at calculus.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: That's right. I forgot he 5'10, right?
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like the littlest left-hander.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I hope that they got some design QB runs in there, man.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: You got to, because that's the thing. There's no soft spot.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: So I agree that trying to look for a bad
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: team to start your quarterback is probably a bad idea.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: But there are teams that are good, but kind of
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: stagnant and stationary. You know, like we do what we do.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: We good. Ryan Velour's team is good and confusing and shit.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: It's got to be fun to be somebody like Brian
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Flores and you have the opportunity to do this, right?
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Like I've talked about this that year that Ohio State
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: won the national championship in 2014. They lost one game
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: that year and it was JT Barrett in his second
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: start against a Bud Foster defense. And you do, but
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I am watching with my own eyes from the sideline,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Bud Foster against somebody who had never done this before.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: And you could tell he was loving every.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Minute of it.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Like watch, watch what I do now. Watch what I
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: do now. Right. He out there. And again, it's a
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: little dude. Watch this.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Watch this. And from week to week, the film
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: can only help you so much Brian Flores defense. Cause
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: he recognizes it's, it's a level of intelligence and defensive
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: players that we don't quite extend to them, but it
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: requires it. And it's, it's the, it's like the third,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: fourth order of it is where it's, You're thinking this
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: because I'm doing that. I know you're thinking this, so
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do that, which is based on what
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I did last week and the week prior to that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: When you watch the Vikings defense from week to week
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: to week, you recognize that he knows that you're watching film,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: and he knows that his tell is this. So he
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: knows that when you see this, you're going to think that,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: and then he goes the next level. It's the chess
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: shit that we appreciate about quarterbacks that we don't talk
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: about about defenders.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: He's the one of those Belichick guys who's been able
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: to take that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Fair point, yeah. Right?
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Like, to be that super adaptable, you don't know what's coming.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: And I think it may be in part because, don't
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: tell nobody I said this, but, Maybe this is the
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: level that he's supposed to be at, right? The supreme
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator where you just let him have the whole defense,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: like a Vic Fangio type guy. Honestly, perhaps Bill Belichick
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: without a Tom Brady.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: So I might argue, yeah, that's fair. Well, we got
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: to get that man a Tom Brady then.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: There we go. We'll just go get him. You're right.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: We'll just go get him one of those right fast
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: before I get out of here. I feel like we
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: don't talk enough, and it's in part because I got
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: off that narcotic, but ain't nobody blacking it up quite
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: like the Falcons with the black quarterback, the black head coach,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: the black general manager. They trying to get it all done.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Michael Penix, thank goodness, finally had him a game where
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I thought he looked like he was good because he
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: was it had not been looking great up until that point. Now,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: granted they played against a bad, well, bad Washington because
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Jane Daniels was not playing, but Drake London seemed like
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: another receiver. That's a little bit in jail down there.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's the style. It's not the, I mean,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: all those skill players, man, that's the funny thing is
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: you see them play and individual plays from Bijan to
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: London and, to Kyle Pitts where you see a play,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, he's ridiculous. Any team that he's on
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: better showcase him and they should be good. But it
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: never quite comes together for an extended period of time
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: for any of them. It's funny that you pointed that
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: out about them. It's something that I'm aware of, but
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I don't feel about it the same way I feel
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: like I would have a little while ago. I feel
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: like it's just a couple years ago when the Ravens
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: had an all-black quarterback room. That felt like a bigger deal,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: which is absurd, considering that they have all black guys
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: in the most important positions of leadership, except for Arthur
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Blank out there with a skinny mustache. Arthur, my guy, man.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Hey, look, some of this ties to Michael Vick, but
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: there's the day before Arthur got there and the day
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: after Arthur got there. There's a whole generation that got
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: no idea how sorry them motherfuckers were for a lifetime, dog.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: a lifetime. And then finally, when it looked like they
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: was going to break through to the other side, the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: man of the year got called soliciting a prostitute on
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Biscayne Boulevard the night before the Super Bowl. And then
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: had a ball through right over his head. Maybe because
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: he was still thinking about what he didn't get.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: His brain was still in jail. Or maybe his brain
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: was still on the streets. I don't know.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine. I just can't imagine that crossing. We
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: give a lot of people some measure of grace because
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: you're dealing with some addiction or something. If that wasn't addiction,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, man. I don't even
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: want to psychoanalyze it. It's just mind-blowing to me. And
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: I know you bring it up a lot. Don't stop
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: bringing it up. It's like the cookies in Cleveland. Please.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Can't do it, man. Never stop.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's just such a ridiculous thing, right? Like you
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: think it's ridiculous to go to the Doubletree and they
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: ain't got no cookies. Imagine getting caught the night before
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, solicited in a prostitute, and you playing
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: in the game.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Trying to get some cookies.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: They ain't have none at they hotel neither, huh? They
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: ain't have none at.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: The man of the year, though.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Man of the year the man of the year that
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: it's honestly it's the man of the.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Year part yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Like there's a whole lot of other people that if
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: it would be them it wouldn't have been that big
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: a deal but it was the man of the year
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: right like there was some cat that if it would
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: have happened he wouldn't even been ashamed he'd just be
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: like yo my bad joe you know the man of
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: the year that shook up that shook up morale.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Was it called the Walter Payton Man of the Year
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: back there? They didn't name it? I hope not.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I think Walter Payton, I think he was still alive.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: So I don't think they had changed it up. But yeah.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Actually, Walter Payton, yes, he was still alive. I feel
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: like I took it to a dark place and that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: is my fault. And that is Dominique Fosworth. Check him
• 1:01:59
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• 1:02:06
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• 1:02:07
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