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140. [Oklahoma] Shirley Shell · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to Bless This Messa the True Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hi?
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back this week and we are
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  Speaker 1: going to Oklahoma, Oklahoma. We haven't been there in a while. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: We have done an episode every week for like the
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  Speaker 1: last four weeks. No, we've been doing good. After I
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  Speaker 1: told her Bady, we're going to cut back to it
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  Speaker 1: once every other week, I was like, no, we got
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  Speaker 1: to do this, dude. We've been lingering around. We've been
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  Speaker 1: That's a silly goose thing to do. So we are
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  Speaker 1: Do you have anything to say?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: What else? Is there anything going on with our lives?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Oh I do? I know. Okay, So it was not
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  Speaker 1: a body in the road. This is the first time
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  Speaker 1: I've ever, you know, ever ever seen a body like
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not trying. I don't want to laugh because
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  Speaker 1: it's but I just laughed when things are uncomfortable. But
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  Speaker 1: this was a bit of a crazy story. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: headed home from work and I drive by and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, is that a person? There was like a
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  Speaker 1: person laying like laying down flat with their head to
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  Speaker 1: the side, and it looked like their eyes were closed
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  Speaker 1: and they were like sprawled out on the side of
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  Speaker 1: the frontage road. So before you start, there was no
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  Speaker 1: absolutely no way for me to safely pull over. They
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  Speaker 1: were like in the middle. Imagine a service road where
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  Speaker 1: it's like fifty five miles an hour. Yeah, a feeder road,
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  Speaker 1: super busy. There's a loop there that you can get on.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's going like freaking ninety five miles an hour, and
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  Speaker 1: I come around there and there's no driveways or anything
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  Speaker 1: or anywhere to pull off to go and check on
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  Speaker 1: this person. And two, based on where we are, probably
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  Speaker 1: was drugs involved. So I'm also not gonna get my
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  Speaker 1: face eaten off by somebody. So like, I like pull
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  Speaker 1: around or I see this and I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's like a person, you know, laying on
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  Speaker 1: the side of the road. And so I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you go through your hair, You're like, should
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  Speaker 1: I call nine one one? And You're like, no, someone
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  Speaker 1: probably already called or whatever. Then I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, what if nobody's called and I'm and everybody
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  Speaker 1: else thinks somebody else called. So I called nine one one,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I might have been the first one
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  Speaker 1: to call because which is a shame because it's a
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  Speaker 1: very busy area. But everyone I'm assuming it's like that
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  Speaker 1: bystander effect, you know, where everyone thinks the other person's
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  Speaker 1: gonna step in and do something. So anyway, so I called, Well,
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  Speaker 1: of course I am terrible. You can have to do
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  Speaker 1: I am terrible north south east west, left right right,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm having to I'm trying to explain to the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one operator. I'm like, yeah, I've said I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't pull over and think I said it wasn't safe
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  Speaker 1: to pull over and everything. So I'm trying to explain
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  Speaker 1: to her where she's and she's like, is it on
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  Speaker 1: the I was like, it's by the achib, And then
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  Speaker 1: I realized that the achib was on the other side
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  Speaker 1: of the road, and I was like, no, it's on
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  Speaker 1: the opposite side. But then I was thinking, oh, but
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  Speaker 1: it's like at a four way area, so she could
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  Speaker 1: have thought it was on that side. So I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's down by the encompass. Help And then I said
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  Speaker 1: if you then she's asking me, So then I just
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  Speaker 1: basically explain how I get on from work and where
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  Speaker 1: this is. That this is also this is not funny
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  Speaker 1: that I hope. I tried to check the news to
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  Speaker 1: see if if the person was okay, but honestly, it
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  Speaker 1: probably was like a drug situation. But anyways, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: not funny the situation with the person. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 1: that it's funny because I'm like the worst person to
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  Speaker 1: be describing a location of anything, you know. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to explain this to this person. And anyways,
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  Speaker 1: they knew the general area, and she she I think
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  Speaker 1: she got it down. But then I was saying, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: whenever you're headed to Andrews. But actually it was in
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  Speaker 1: the headed towards the direction of Odessa. But then STUD
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, well you can get to Andrews that
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  Speaker 1: way too, so she probably understood. But they were sending
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  Speaker 1: police and ambulance over there. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I should have stopped or something.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't safe at all. I mean I would
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  Speaker 1: have caused a I would have caused a wreck, and
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  Speaker 1: then we really would have had a situation. And it
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  Speaker 1: was a larger I don't know if it was male
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  Speaker 1: or if the person was male or female, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It just wasn't a good situations to It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a good situation. We're probably everyone's probably not in
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  Speaker 1: like carryer a terrible person, but I know, but they
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  Speaker 1: could have if they were on drugs or something, they
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  Speaker 1: could attack you.
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  Speaker 2: You should have got out and made sure they didn't
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  Speaker 2: name the mouth mouth.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. And anyway, so I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: called nine on one and I guess I was the
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  Speaker 1: first person to call. But yeah, that's what happened on
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  Speaker 1: the way home from work today.
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  Speaker 2: Good times.
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  Speaker 1: But I really really if there been maybe a place
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  Speaker 1: to pull in. But they're they're honest to god, wasn't
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  Speaker 1: it was. It's super busy and very and everybody's like
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  Speaker 1: speeding and stuff through there. It's dangerous just to drive
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  Speaker 1: through there. I can't imagine trying to pull over and
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  Speaker 1: see what's going on. So anyways, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, interesting story.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting story on my way home from work. But I'll
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  Speaker 1: try to find out what happened to the person. But
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  Speaker 1: again I think it's it seemed like maybe a drug situation.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if they'll even report on that,
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  Speaker 1: but if they do, I will let you guys know.
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  Speaker 1: It might have been a trap we don't know to do.
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  Speaker 1: They might have been waiting for someone.
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  Speaker 2: Waiting just for you. Yes, that Carroll girl that does
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  Speaker 2: that podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to today's the day motherfuckers. Anyways, all right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: if you think I did a terrible thing and I
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  Speaker 1: was in the wrong, then please don't keep it to
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  Speaker 1: yourself and everything, all right, So that was my day today.
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  Speaker 1: Put added to the list of interesting items that have
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  Speaker 1: happened to me. And I guess we'll go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: get into what was that That wasn't a child? It
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  Speaker 1: might have been outside, I don't know. You know the
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  Speaker 1: kids that throw the rocks in her pull or whatever. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't heard much from here lately, but someone did
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  Speaker 1: post about them in the facebook group, the neighborhood facebook
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  Speaker 1: group and put the address because one of the little
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  Speaker 1: girls was like running out in the street and then
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  Speaker 1: just telling them to the car to shoe after they
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  Speaker 1: almost hit them with the car, like like like what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? Like why are you why is the
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  Speaker 1: car there? So the girl just like was telling him
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  Speaker 1: to go or whatever after like get away from here
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  Speaker 1: after she almost hit got hit by a car because
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  Speaker 1: the person. Yeah. Yeah, So someone was like whoever lives
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  Speaker 1: at and put the address and I didn't put two
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  Speaker 1: and two to go with the at tude in two
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  Speaker 1: with the address until the people that own the home
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  Speaker 1: because we had this is also the dog situation house. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we had multiple situations. Anyways, I noticed and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's close to our house, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't put I don't know if that's going smaller numbers
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  Speaker 1: or bigger numbers, you know, and uh again, directions things
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  Speaker 1: like that very difficult for me. And then the people
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  Speaker 1: that own the house comment and said, oh, we rent
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  Speaker 1: that house out, so might want to knock on the
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  Speaker 1: door and tell the parents or whatever. And then the
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  Speaker 1: same person that's like the cousin or the ant or
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  Speaker 1: whatever over there, that's also lives in the neighborhood that
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  Speaker 1: came and supposedly got the dog that was whatever. She
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  Speaker 1: calm and she's like, oh, that's my such and such house.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll make sure and let them know. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: apparently the little girls just running out on the road
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  Speaker 1: almost go hit by a car and then act like
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  Speaker 1: the car was in the raw, like the car needed
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  Speaker 1: to get out of the plane.
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  Speaker 2: This is my street, Laddy, what are you doing driving?
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  Speaker 1: And it's by a corner, so I mean it is
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  Speaker 1: dangerous and people drive like freaking Nascar up in this place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the busiest damn street that because everybody leaves
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  Speaker 2: to go to work because they want to go out
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  Speaker 2: that way instead of the other way. But they put
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  Speaker 2: that light in now.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's what's going on in our world.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing else interesting. I guess that's it. I moved offices.
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  Speaker 1: That's nobody cares about that except for it's added time
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  Speaker 1: to my community. Oh yeah, they're very Probably people were
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  Speaker 1: upset whenever I was talking about the body. And again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an uncomfortable laugher. If you start talking about how
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  Speaker 1: my mom has passed away, I'll make an uncomfortable joke.
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  Speaker 1: I'll make a joke and make everybody uncomfortable and then
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  Speaker 1: nervously laugh. That's just then leave, walk away. It's like
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  Speaker 1: Claire when she's trying to tell her son that the
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  Speaker 1: neighbor died and she can't stop. That's how I am.
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  Speaker 1: I'll start being like awkwardly smiling when it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he died.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's just who I am as a person.
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  Speaker 1: A terrible person. I'm a terrible person. All right, enough
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  Speaker 1: of that. Let's go ahead and get into our case
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  Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma. So Shirley an Shell nay friend and
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  Speaker 1: that was the last names to friend. So Shirley Shell,
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  Speaker 1: what a great name, was born May twenty eighth, nineteen forty,
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  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. She would meet Joe Shell her junior year
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  Speaker 1: of high school and they would begin dating. They would
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  Speaker 1: date all through college. They went to like a little
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  Speaker 1: junior college together and this is where Shirley earned an
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  Speaker 1: associate's degree. Now, after college, they would marry and have
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  Speaker 1: three children, Brian, Tracy, and Cindy. Shirley and Joe. They
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  Speaker 1: were described as being just the best of friends. Super
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  Speaker 1: you know, they married their best friend from high school
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  Speaker 1: and they would end up settling in Edmund, Oklahoma, where
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  Speaker 1: Shirley would help Joe build his company, Agrisystems, as well
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  Speaker 1: as be a homemaker. So she did both things, stayed
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  Speaker 1: home with kids as well as helped him out. Edmund
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  Speaker 1: is also a city in Canada's too, and I remember
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  Speaker 1: it because they called it Deadmond because it's got like
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  Speaker 1: a real high murder rate, but it's really lacking in
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  Speaker 1: comparison to the United States. It's called Edmund, but they
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  Speaker 1: call it Deadmond because of the murder rate. But whenever
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  Speaker 1: you look at the murder rate, I mean, we blow
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  Speaker 1: that way out the wall, help the water. I guess
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  Speaker 1: it's the same way they measure it here. Yeah, per capita,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. But like even our mildest cities over here,
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  Speaker 1: like blow that out of the water because we're you know,
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  Speaker 1: a dangerous bunch.
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  Speaker 2: I would say you think yes.
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  Speaker 1: Based on what I saw driving from work to Daste,
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  Speaker 1: things are rough out there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, face eater, just setting the trap for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so, And it could have been like somebody playing
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  Speaker 1: a practical thinking it's funny, playing a practical joke. You
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  Speaker 1: just don't know. These days, people do all sorts of
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  Speaker 1: thing to get people videos of people, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: get someone to pull over and help them and then
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  Speaker 1: scare them or something. I mean, you just it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to know these days. If what's going on, the only
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  Speaker 1: time I would have stopped, if an adults do it
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  Speaker 1: laying there like that, I'm probably not gonna probably not
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  Speaker 1: gonna stop in the middle of the traffic. But if
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  Speaker 1: it was like a kid or something, then yes I
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  Speaker 1: would stop and help them. Or a kitten or a kitten. Yes, no, Stuart,
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  Speaker 1: don't say that and have me laugh because people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna think I'm terrible. I'm just saying, you guys, can't
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  Speaker 1: You can't trust anything these days. I'm gonna stop digging
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  Speaker 1: myself a hole and get back on to this case.
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  Speaker 1: So as they, you know, go throughout their life. Shirley's
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  Speaker 1: mother was getting older and she would move in with
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  Speaker 1: Shirley and Joe, and she became her primary caregiver. So
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  Speaker 1: Shirley's pretty busy. She's got these, you know, her kids,
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  Speaker 1: raised her kids, helped her husband with his business, and
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  Speaker 1: now she's full time caretaker for her mom. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: Joe was working for a company out of Amrella. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if he sold his company to them and
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  Speaker 1: continued to stay on or what happened, but he this
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  Speaker 1: company wasn't Amor alone. It was about three hundred miles away,
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  Speaker 1: so he spent a lot of time on the road
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  Speaker 1: and he would frequently spend the night out there where
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  Speaker 1: that company was headquarters were located.
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  Speaker 2: On June fourth, two thousand and seven, Joe headed out
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  Speaker 2: to Amarillo and he met it there at about three
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  Speaker 2: point thirty in the morning when he gets to his hotel.
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  Speaker 1: He did he left. It's about a four hour drive,
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  Speaker 1: so he left pretty late in the evening. But he
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  Speaker 1: didn't like to spend the night away or whatever, so
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times he'd get up super early in
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  Speaker 1: the morning and drive, you know, head out there. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess that night he needed to be there earlier,
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  Speaker 1: so he actually drove. But I guess he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: wait till the latest possible. Man, that's crazy. You don't
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  Speaker 1: want to drive out here at night.
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  Speaker 2: No, not midnight to four, I am no.
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  Speaker 1: I mean look at her in the middle of the day.
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  Speaker 1: There's bodies on the suck of the road. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this place is freaking apocalypse now. I mean, because Amarillo
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  Speaker 1: is out towards you're going to be driving through no
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  Speaker 1: man's land.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the bunnies and deer and all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: wildlife crossing the road in the dark. No, no, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: We did that coming back from South Padre. It was
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  Speaker 2: not fun. No, and the storms are rolling in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So he got there at three thirty in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Has this voicemail from Shirley. He listens to it. He
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  Speaker 2: could hear Shirley talking to someone and saying something about
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  Speaker 2: a pen number. Shirley then said Joe call me back,
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  Speaker 2: and she hung up.
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  Speaker 1: But she was real calm. They played the voicemail. She
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  Speaker 1: was very calm during this, so it was odd to him,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't distressing. She's not calling up, screaming or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the message was left at about two twenty five
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  Speaker 2: in the morning, so this is an hour before Joe
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  Speaker 2: actually listened to it. He tries calling Shirley back, there's
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  Speaker 2: no answer. Concern. He calls his daughter, who lives about
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  Speaker 2: five minutes away. He asked her of show Goo check
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  Speaker 2: on the house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the main thing he was really focused on,
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  Speaker 1: because Shirley was so calm and the voicemail, was something
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  Speaker 1: was wrong with Pearl, which was his mother in law,
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  Speaker 1: because she was in very poor health. She couldn't really
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  Speaker 1: see very well and just needed full time supervision and care.
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  Speaker 1: And she was ninety five years old, so I mean
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  Speaker 1: she needed help. And so that's who he thought. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that there was an issue was with something with Pearl, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because she was not a spry ninety five year old.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: The daughter arrives around four am and she immediately goes
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  Speaker 2: to check on Graandma. First, she was not in bed,
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  Speaker 2: but the sheets were pulled back like she had been
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  Speaker 2: in bed. Everything normal in the house. But the daughter
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  Speaker 2: sees that something is off.
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  Speaker 1: She can just sense that's not see Stuart. She can
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  Speaker 1: just sense something's off, like Grandma shouldn't be out of bed,
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  Speaker 1: Grandma should be asleep, you know what. This is all
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  Speaker 1: just weird, like something weird is going on. But nothing
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  Speaker 1: blatantly was on in the open that would immediately cause
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  Speaker 1: her to say something happened, but she just had a
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  Speaker 1: feeling something was off. Oh excuse me, yes, do okay,
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  Speaker 1: you should know these things.
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  Speaker 2: Cut up care. She finds her grandmother and the grandmother
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  Speaker 2: tells her that someone has taken your mother. Now this
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  Speaker 2: is a little concerning it.
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  Speaker 1: But also it's a woman is ninety five.
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  Speaker 2: Years old, and it means full time care.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The daughter inspects the house looking for Shirley when she
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  Speaker 2: comes upon her mother lying in her bed. As she
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  Speaker 2: looks closer, she sees that her mother is on her
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  Speaker 2: side with blood everywhere. She calls not on one one
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  Speaker 2: and in the call, she's screaming that somebody killed my mom.
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  Speaker 1: Police arrive on scene and there was a table where
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: they find like a little small nightstand slash in table
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  Speaker 1: type thing, and they find Shirley's purse belongings kind of
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: strewn about. But it was again, it wasn't some flipping
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: tables and a bunch of chaos and stuff in the house.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: It was just all her stuff was kind of pulled
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: out onto that table. Her wallet was open, and they
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: do find out that two credit cards are missing. They
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: also find like a plastic canister like container, you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: like maybe you would have peanuts or something, and then
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you wash it out and you put we have those, yeah,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you put coin. We had almonds in them, and now
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: they have coins in them. So they find one of
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: those laying on its side, and like the top is
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: kind of broken, but it's completely empty. It had loose
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: change in it and it's completely empty. So nothing else
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: had really been taken that they could find except for
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: those few the credit card and.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: The change change.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, credit card, and it was one that Joe kind
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of just threw his every day. He'd come in and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: empty out his pocket, you know, with his change, and
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: throw it in there, and then it just sits there
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: until someone's like, oh, we should roll that and take
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: it to the bank or something. We should roll our coins.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Do we probably have a bunch? Do you have that
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: whole thing of quarters? Don't you? I don't know you
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: have a whole container of quarters? We are you think
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: they're going to come wrong?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: We're gonna come rob us for our quarter pocket change.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I used to get those gold coins and feel like
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a pirate back in the day. I remember my mom
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: got us my mom bought us a little uh, me
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and my brother we went and got a bunch of
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: those gold coins, those little one dollar gold coins, and
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: so she bought us. I know that Stewart, there are
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: golden color okay, sat the what do they call those,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the sacaea? Yeah, oh okay. Anyway, those when they had
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: when they came out with those, I wanted those to
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: look be like a pirate because I think Pirates of
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the Caribean was real big then. So I all went
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to hobby lobby and bought me a little like a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: little chest or whatever, so I'd keep my gold coins
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: in the chest. Anyways, I had those gold coins and
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: it was like, I mean, I think I might have
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: had I probably at the time it felt rich, but
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: it was probably like twenty dollars with their gold coins
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: or something. But I'd keep them in there, like I.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Was a pirate turk, give me some booty.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna say that. So yeah, So
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit confusing of a scene because surely
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: has been murdered. But again we had that calm phone call.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: The house doesn't look too crazy or anything like that,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So you know, you would expect maybe like a a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: lot of like whenever she called and asked for the pen,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that she would have been, you know, frantic or something.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So it's just strange. So police speak to Pearl and she,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: like I said, she's almost blind. They said, she can
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: see like shapes, and she might be able to see
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: make a little bit of colors and shadows and everything
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: like that, but she's completely I mean, she did not
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: see who did this too. She could not give them
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: a description whatsoever. She did say she but she can hear,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: so she explained what she heard, and she said that
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Shirley was speaking to the man and that she was
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: calm and she never screamed or anything like that. And
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: she told the man that she would get the money,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and that's when the man said, you're coming with me,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and that's the last that I guess. She didn't even
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: scream her, she didn't even hear whenever he you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: killed her and stuff like that. She was probably trying
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to be calm for her mom, though I guarantee she
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: didn't want to upset her mom because her moms can't see.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And if she heard her screaming or something like that,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: it would have, you know, the man could have turned
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: in her mother as well. So in the room where
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Shirley was murdered, there were no signs of a struggle,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: but the crime scene was very bloody and it was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: a violent death. But they could not find the murder
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: weapon at the scene. They couldn't find a knife, anything
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: like that, gun, nothing, So they canvassed the neighborhood and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a few people did just say they saw a four
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: door burgundy car, but the description was pretty general. They
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: didn't have a make or model or anything. That was
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the only thing that they could come up with. Burgundy
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: is a unique I wouldn't say it's the most common color,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: so that's something. So with only that to go on
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: what the vehicle kind of looked like, they went ahead
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and put a bolo out to see if they could
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: just track down this car. They also looked for any
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: cameras on homes and businesses that might have caught the vehicle.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Now looking at where the Shells lived and the main
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: highways and interstate how that somebody might have gotten to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: their home. It would have been off of I think
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: they said I thirty five, yeah, coming in, So they
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: they kind of track that route and they're like, okay,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: EI thirty five they definitely would have had to exit here,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and so they're they're able to identify businesses with cameras,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a circle K, a seven eleven, and then a Walmart,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: which we all know Walmarts are the key to solving
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: most crimes because for some reason, everybody of all the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: places of companies that have the money to put up
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: cameras and have the incentive to, Walmart has cameras everywhere inside, outside, everywhere.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Every corner of the Walmart has a camera. So I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: don't really know why anybody would I'm.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Going to come at a murder. I need to go
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: get supplies at Walmart. Yeah, I killed somebody. I need
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: to go get the clean up supplies at Walmart.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Look it's convenient. It's right there, right there. Yeah. So
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: they they try out the circle K in the seven
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: eleven with no Look, they didn't have any video of
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: anybody in a burgundy car. So the only basin is
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that did have this car on camera was the Walmart.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: So they find they roll back the video leading up
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to the around because they knew that whoever was there
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: was at two thirty five am was at the home
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: because that's when she left the voicemail asking about the pin.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: So around two nineteen am they police do see a
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: car on the Walmart surveillance cameras for the parking lot.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: This description that meets this description pulling through. Well, the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: car was doing like just some odd things. There was
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of like circling around.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Coming brash things happens in a Walmart.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Especially at twenty in the morning. So the cars just
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: kind of like going. It would go out of frame
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and then it would come back at heart around but
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: they never they Then they didn't don't see the car
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: for about eight minutes, and then it comes back through
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: around two thirty am. So then they're like, okay, maybe
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: this is when this person could have gone to the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Shirley to the Shells home and got Shirley and come back.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: So then around two six am the car comes back
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and parks, and so it's close enough to the camera
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: at this point that they can see kind of the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: driver messing around with the seat, like moving it back
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and like up and down and stuff and again strange behaviors. Well,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: they're hoping that the person will get out of the car,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but they never do. So around two forty three am
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the car then pulls away and then they're able to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: pick up on another camera to just get kind of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a better look, but they still couldn't make out the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: license plate number because again, all these cameras, I don't
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: understand every camera that they showed their terrible quality, Like,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: is what do you even what can you even do
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: with that?
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Oh? You can do a lot now, well.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Now, but back then it was just like this blurry,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: grainy thing. You can't even figure out to make a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: model of the car based on even from that far away.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't like super far away. It was a
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: decent I mean, I mean, I think it was close enough,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: but you couldn't see really make out who it was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: anything like that. So they get this car, they get
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: this different angle and everything. They can't make up the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: license plate, but they were able to pause it and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: zoom in and they could figure out that the person
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: was wearing a black shirt. They were white, and they
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: were bald, they were stewed.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: They got me.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So they at least had a car and possibly you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a general description. Again, car and person are very vague,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: but maybe you can match together a bald, white dude
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: in that burgundy four door sedan.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Police put this car and description out to the public,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: but after eight days, they still had no clue who
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the killer was, so they went back to the walmart
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: footage and their only lead They searched earlier in the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: day where they lucked out, and they saw the vehicle
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: parked at around midnight. They continue to watch and they
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: finally see a man walking from the walmart to the car.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: He moves his car a few spaces and he parks it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: But after he parks it, he waits a few minutes
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: or whatever, a few moments, and then he drives away.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Then he comes back. They see the same car come
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: back at two am.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole situation that we described before s too. Yes.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Then it leads into the next time they see the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: car is when it's the two nineteen am and he's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: driving around the parking lot being weird.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Do you understand that?
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yes? I understand.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Hey, well it seem like you're a little confused.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just confused by the poor writing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: God, Stuart, you try forming a sentence, because it's very
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: difficult for you. I'd like to see you put a
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: full episode together.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I am an English major. I could probably do it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Pro you're not. You didn't major in anything, Stuart, if
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you say something about like, uh, what is it? Shoot,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I'm getting tired? What is it? Whenever street smarts, what
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: is it? You always you always used to tell me
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you measured in something and it was not. It was
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: like something of sexiness.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: No, what well?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: You fuck fucking flunked out on that one. Wow, Okay,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: go on.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Since he came from the Walmart, they pulled up the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: store camera where they see the man that they're looking for.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: He ends up being a story employee by the name
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: of Harold Warner. They talked to him and he says
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that he was following some suspicious looking people and he
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: was trying to get a playton.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm not the suspicious person. I was
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: following suspicious people.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: The manager did confirm Harold's story, and he is removed
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: from the suspect list, which we know what that. Police
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: are back to square one looking for the murderer.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And but you know, you're not supposed to follow people
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: at the Walmart. This is maybe it was an in
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: store policy at that point.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, they cannot.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Harold looked like he was took things seriously. He was
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: in he was maybe he worked for asset protection or
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: something like that, and he was taking his job very seriously.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've asset protection ain't working at two am.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: We've all we've all heard the story about how I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: stopped the Walmart shoplifters and then the Walmart store employees
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: took credit for it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we all remember that. No, but that asset
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: protection has done gone home by two am.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: STU has the inside scoop. So police they had been
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: tracking these critics, So you're probably wonder, Carara, well, don't
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: they know where the credit cards were used? And I'm
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: about to tell you they were tracking those credit cards. However,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: those credit cards did not show any activity, which is
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: strange because you'd think if someone robbed someone and stole
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: their credit card, the first thing would do is use.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: The credit cards, one would think.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So three weeks would pass when Shirley's daughters were they
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: would come in and check the mail and just make
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: sure no bills were being sent to be taken care
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of m stuff, because I don't believe the dad was
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: staying at the house at the time because he was,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you know, so upset because he'd been married for a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: shirt to Shirley for forty five years. I mean they were,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I mean that was huge, you know, loss for him.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So they're, you know, sorting through all this mail and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: they find this credit card statement and it's they they're
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: looking at the bank name on the credit card and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: they're like, they didn't even know their mom had a
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: credit card there, and neither did their dad. So I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: don't know why she had this credit card. Maybe it
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was just like an off one she signed up for
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and forgot, you know, just didn't tell her husband or
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: forgot to or something like that. So they immediately so
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: they're looking at this. So it's the statements come in
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the mail. They're looking and all these charges are after
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: their mom passed away, and so they immediately call the police,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: well detectives, they so they take this credit card information
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and they see that the credit card had been used
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: at about twenty gas stations across five states. So now
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: they're on this hunt for this killer, tracing his movement
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: based on these credit card transactions and hoping that they
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: can find camera footage of him or something like that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So they head up I seventy and they have gone
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: through about eleven gas stations and they have no luck either.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: The gas stations don't have cameras, or they didn't actually
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: pick up who the person, or couldn't find the person
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: they were looking for. Well, they finally come upon a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Marathon gas station in Cloverdale, Indiana, and this is about
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: eight hundred miles from Edmund, Oklahoma. Well, there they finally
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: get some video footage of the killer. So he gets
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: out of his car at around six thirty PM and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: pumps some gas. They whenever they're so they're able to
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: actually see him from a distance, but he uses, he
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: pays at the pump, you know, so he doesn't actually
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: come in, so they can't get a close up of him.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: But they do find out that he is not Harold
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: at the walmart. Harold is definitely in the clear house. Yeah,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: it was actually a like a you know, mid not
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: middle age. What is someone in there in their thirties
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: years time frame? What is that considered?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, since the average age of death is
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: like thirty or seventy five, I guess you.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Just want to tell me, you just want to say
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: that I'm middle aged.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Anyways, it appeared to be a black mail in his
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: thirties and like I said, he didn't actually come into
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the stores. They couldn't get a close up of him,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: but they were able to look at his car, and
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: they it was a dark green four door car, which, again,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: dark green is a more unique color I would say
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: than say if it was a white car, a silver car,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a black car, you know, even red, but dark green.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: You don't see too many dark green cars. I feel like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I don't pay attention to such things.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, well it's not that common. Like white cars are common,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: black cars are common, silver cars are common, but dark green,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's quite a bit lower number. So
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: they issue a bolo for a black mal driving this
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: four door dark green car. So they got the new bolo,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and they've got kind of his movements around on this
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I seventy at these different gas stations.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: As police are looking at the path the killer took
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to see where he was, they find out that he
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: was on the turn thing well, where he had passed.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: No, you just said, as the police were looking at
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the path the killer took, they were looking to see
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: where he was, which is the same thing, the same
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: thing as I just want to The reason I'm saying this,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: people is because he sits there and makes little comments
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: about my writing. I did not write that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: That was that was see on the turnpike.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: That was Stu's improv. That was him improving. That's him
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: going off script. That's off script, stew.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Because this is terrible writing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: My hand was cramping. I was so committed to getting
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: this episode out today, and you know, I try to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: get him out. We say we'll release them on Thursday.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: So if you guys will notice that the episodes get
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: released to Patreon at like Wednesday at like eleven fifty
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: five pm, and then the next twenty four hours later,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: so they get released to you know, everywhere else, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it's because it's technically still Wednesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Guys.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: You see what I did there? See that effort that's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: gone into this.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe, if you were more committed, we do this on Tuesday.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Well probably, But then I told Stu. I was like, oh,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: maybe we should switch the days and be like, okay,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: we we you know, it's on Patreon on Thursday, it's
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: ever else on Fridays. And this dude's like, no, then.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: You'll just wait Thursday.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Listen I do. I'm a I'm a deadline person. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: need someone, I actually really need a deadline feel to
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: be productive. So that's just how I function. Any whosle
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: stude doesn't function at all.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: They're on the turnpike. Figure, he's on the turnpike. They're
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: helping that a camera, what have some footage. There's a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: toll booth in it was a ten lane booth. Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: If anybody's ever driven in Oklahoma, we used to drive
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: back and forth between Muskogee and Broken Arrow and there's
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: like it's a it's a state I believe, it's a
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: state run toll roads. It's not these private toll roads.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It's the state. Uh you actually it's not you know
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: like when you're in Texas all these are private toll
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: roads that you're you know, easy Tag and stuff like that.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: This is actually a state run one, I believe, and uh.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Well easy tag works in Oklahoma.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: So okay, well I'm sure on some of them. There's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: probably still private toll roads in Oklahoma. I'm just saying
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the turnpike is the major state run one, and those
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: like I remember driving into those, those things are huge.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: The lanes that open up on that turnpike to pay
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: because you had to go through and actually it was
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: because back whenever I and I'm sure the same was
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: whenever this was happening two thousand and seven. We used
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to drive them. They didn't have, you know, where you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: could just drive through and it just flashes and scansy
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: that your license plate or a little tag. You actually
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: had to stop and throw that change up in that thing.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Hand that they attend up the money or throw the
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: change in the.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, So there was Yeah, they had an attendant in everyone,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and there was just lanes and lanes and lanes of
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: where you could pull in and then it would all
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: just merge back together on.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: The Yeah, those ones in Europe are huge too.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were big too, but they because they wanted
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you to stop and pay. They weren't taken, not.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Dang license plate pictures.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you weren't just rolling through. The ones in Europe
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: were like the ones in Oklahoma were. And I don't
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: know what they're like now because i'dn't been to Oklahoma
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: so long, but I'm sure they've got like fast lanes
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But they were massive turnpikes, like
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: toll boots.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Well, the far easy tag works in Oklahoma.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I guess we can we can go to Oklahoma.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Now, we can go to Oklahoma. Now check it out
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and see what's going on out there. So, yes, they're waiting,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: have to check all ten lanes. That's gotta be just
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: manpower resources sitting there.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I think it was one guy, just I mean, this
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't a huge budget for this. It's the Edmund Police Department.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Just one guy was just watching hours and hours of
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: footage and watching people come through and stop at the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and they didn't have you know, I mean, nowadays, I'm
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: pretty sure they can probably run it through a software
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: system that would review the footage and find a you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: identify all the green cars that came through or something.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Like that, and then they can go back and look
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: at those.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Well, they finally do see a car. It's a dark
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: green car with a black mail wearing a striped shirt,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: pulls up, pays cash. There is unfortunately no license plate
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: on the front of the car. But as they keep looking,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: they do notice that there's a plate on the dashboard
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: and that they can make out the last two digits,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: which is eight to two. With a better look at
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the car, they are able to determine that it is
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: a Mazda six two six.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Which is a four door. Even those two was like,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't know a Mazda.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't pay attention to Masda's. That's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: a Ford brand car anyway, a Ford brand. Yes, Mazda
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: is owned by Ford Motor Company.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: F Why okay, just you know the more you grow.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Well, Toyota owns Lexus.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know that. You go on and on about that.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I do, you go on and on.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: We're Toyota people. We have Toyota. I wouldn't say I'm
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a Toyota person, but that's the most reliable car.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And they make the best just happens to be the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: ones we've been buying.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Well, they make the best minivan too. Of all the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: mini vans, we have the Sienna, which is.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, what just picking a fight with all.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: The oh please? We went and saw a Honda what
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: are they called Honda?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They got the pilot and they ods.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Say so Honda Odyssey. There are some benefits to the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Honda Odyssey apparently, like the back row. You can buckle
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the kids in and then just flip them up and
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: they'll be in the position or whatever which is, which
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: would be nice and everything like that. But I find
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the and then the way they redesign the cienas it
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: looks less like a mini van if you get like
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a twenty twenty year later so ours was used when
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: we purchased it or whatever. But if you get kind
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of a later model, they have updated it to make
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: look more like a suv. He's a little sportier, I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: would say. And don't even get me started. Don't don't
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: get no Chrysler, Plymouth or whatever. The hell. Yes, the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Pacific those are terrible. If you go and wrint one
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: from the Enterprise or something like that, that's what they're
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: going to give you. That's what they run there. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: then apparently a bunch of them were recalled because we
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: were going to go test drive a minivan prior to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: us purchasing a minivan because we you know, we have
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: three children now. And when we went to go do it,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the guy's like, oh yeah, I said, I called specifically
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and said I wanted to make sure you had a
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: minivan available. And you know, you call these numbers now
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: for like Enterprise, and you can't even get a hold
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of like the person at the desk at your local one.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: You just get this one eight hundred, you know whoever
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: at a call center that's answering. It's like, oh, yeah,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: they said you reserved a minivan. Yep, they'll have already
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: show up there. It's a freaking like Ford Explorer or something,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: some huge Oh it was a big gas guzzler too,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: And so he's like, well, I can give you this.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And so at this point we'd already told the kids
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: we were taking them to the zoo, so and Abilene,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: which is two hours away. So well, I was like,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I was so mad. I was like, okay, I'll take
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the I'll take it. But it defeated the whole purpose
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: is the purpose was to test out a mini van.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: But the only mini vans also that they had were
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the Chrysler pacificas I guess anyways, but they were all.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: The reason he didn't have any minivans is because they
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: were all They had a bunch of recalled or something
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: like that. So we drove this suburban or whatever the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: heck it was, and it was it cost a four
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: It cost as much to rent the car the gas
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: is to rent the car. So I don't know how
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: people are affording driving these giant Yeah.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: It was like eighty dollars in fuel just two hours
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: back and forth.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was insane, and also it just didn't for
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: us with three small children. It just didn't work either,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: the logistics of it all inside the suburban, No, did
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: not at all. We definitely lucked out finding this sea
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in our price range, because these things are if you
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: got to you gotta search around because they are pricey.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: The c N is there a hot commodity.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Stew, They're hard to find.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: They're very hard to find ones that are a decent
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: shape because also you're buying a mini van, So whoever
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: has a mini van has little children, It has a
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: bunch of just destroying things. We went and saw one
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: local and it was disgusting and it was the same
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: price as ours. But we got this one off of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: what's that Cars to Go or.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Whatever, Cars to Go.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Carmel, CarMax. Yeah. What's great is if it's close enough,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: they'll ship it for free so you can test drive
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: it at your So we had to drive up to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Lubbock because again we have nothing in this town. Drive
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: up to Lubbock and bought it that day and never
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: looked back. Well, and then we had held then the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: rider for we bought it. Hell storm came and destroyed
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, and then I didn't have it for
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: several weeks and I did have to drive a Chrysler. Yes, yeah,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: is that what it's called, the Pacifica. I did have
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to drive it for like sixty and that thing was
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: a piece of shit. So yeah, definitely, if you can
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: find a Sienna for a good deal, go with that,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: all right. Well, if you didn't warn't in the market
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to buy a mini van, that was a whole wasted
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: like five minutes of your life, So sorry or longer listen.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'm traumatized today. I had I found a body.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, Claire, back to our story. Okay, police find police
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: are able to pull this green maz To six two
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: six up again.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Also not a very popular car. I don't feel like
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: not think of that. A dark green mans To six
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: two six.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Well, they pull it up with the numbers eight two
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: in the there's only one, and there's only one car,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: green Maza sixty two six with the numbers eight two
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: in the license plate. It is registered to a thirty
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: six year old Michael Gary from Akron, Ohio. Gary had
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: a criminal history, including aggravated burgley and two are right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: He should have just not even been out at all.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: One would not think he would be. Yeah, however, he
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: was a registered sex offender and he was clearly very dangerous.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because now he's he's already a terrible person. Now
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: he's murdered someone, and now he's on the run, so
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: he's I mean, it's a ticking time bomb before he
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: might actually hurt somebody else. At this point, he's got
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: one of those names, what is it whenever the first
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and the last name, So he could be Michael Gary
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: or Gary Michael.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Could be Yeah, could be his alias.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, what is those names? Whenever? The first
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: and last Both first and last name are both like
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: last names and can be first names. There's a word
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: for it, someone knows. So now that they have their suspect,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: they need to make an arrest, so they contact Akron
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: police and they are like, hey, we're on it. So
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they go and storm the home, but Gary was actually
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: able to escape out the back door. So they do
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: find the car at his house and they impound it
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: for evidence. They are now on the hunt for Gary,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: but that won't take long actually, because surprisingly he comes
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: up to the police station and turns himself in just
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours after he went on the run.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Being on the lambshit sucks.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the reason he did that is because he
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: thought he didn't realize that they had put together that
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: he has killed this woman down in Oklahoma because it's
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: so far away, and I'm sure because it's the Akron
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: police department, Like, he probably didn't understand how you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: police departments work, that they can go a different police
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: department can come up here to arrest you at this house.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So he's thinking they're upset with him for not following
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: all the proper things about registering as a sex offender
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: when he moved and things like that, and so that's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: what he thinks. So he's like, oh, I'll just go
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: turn myself in and they'll just register me as a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: sex offender at this address. And yeah, that's why they
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: were storming your home. It is because he.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Can sa properly ass but.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: He's thinking is going on. So that's why he did
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: actually turn himself in. He has absolutely no clue that
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: they know about him and Shirley, so they confront him
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: about that credit card usage, and of course he says
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: he knows nothing. He's like, I'm not going to talk
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: about something I don't know anything about well he and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: he said, and they were like, well, have you been
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: to Oklahoma? He's like, I've been there once, you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, not not. I don't know what you
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: guys are talking about. Well, after a short while, you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you'll see Gary has no, he can't, he can't hold
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: up under pressure law because yes. So after a short
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: short while, he admits to using the credit card, but
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: he says he did not kill Shirley. He says that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: he got the credit card from some guy at a
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: party that had a scar on his face, and this
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: guy just gave him this credit card and so he's
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: been using it. So despite the fact that it says Shirley,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, he him saying he doesn't know Shirley and
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: he's been using a credit card with her name on it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, anyways, he's so stupid. So he so
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: they charged. So since they don't have enough on him
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: for murder at this point, because they're still trying to
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: process all that, they get him for what they can,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: which is fraud for using that credit card, and so
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: they're able to arrest him under that. Well, they're looking
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: for additional evidence to time to Shirley, and this murder. Well,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that comes in the car because in the console was
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: this like coins like all stuck together, like he'd left
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: food like something sticky in there, and all these coins
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and everything had just been like congelled together and everything
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: in the heat. So the forensic people are pulling everything apart. Well,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: in that wad of coins goo, they find a key
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: chain that says just a little silver keychain that says
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Joe shell Well. They contact Joe, they send him a
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: picture of it and he's like, yeah, that's my He
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: got it from work or something happened, and it was
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: just in his someone gave it to him. It was
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: in his pocket. So when he took his he said,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: when I took my change out, he said, I probably
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: just threw it in the change jar because it was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: in my pocket and everything. And so since that was
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: in there, really sealed the deal on Old Gary. And
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: so they confronted him with this new evidence, saying, hey,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: we got you using the credit card. We've got you
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: on camera at a turnpike in Oklahoma. We've got you
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: using the card on camera at the gas station. So
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you can't say that you weren't the one actually using it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: And then now we have this, and so he quickly
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: admits to that he did actually kill Shirley. So he
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: tells police that he took Shirley to the bedroom, but
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: he wasn't actually planning on hurting her, and he said
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: he had a knife on him from when he was fishing,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and he just decided that, he said, he didn't even
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: know what he he doesn't remember even thinking about or anything,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: but he did. He just decided to cut her, what
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: he said. And so he said that he happened upon
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the Shell home when he got lost in that neighborhood,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and so he just by a happenstance comes across.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: What was he doing there? How did he get lost
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: in this neighbor I don't know, Stu, why did you
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: drive from Ohio to Oklahoma? And He's like, oh, I'm lost.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know, Stu. Why didn't you look that up?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Are you legit asking me that? Y? You know, this
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: is a bunch of bullshit because we might have paused
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: because I said, Stu, you're not even You're just he's
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: just he's just listening to me tell the story for
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the last five minutes, and I'm like, you don't have
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: any questions? So I paused, I'm like, you don't have
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: any questions because he's just like sitting there like like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I'm telling like I'm telling him the story, which it
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: might be the first time he's heard it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: So I did hear it?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: It was in the background, Yes, it was in the background.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so that he gets on here and tries
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to ask me questions, he knows I'm not gonna have
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the answers to.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I thought you might have the answer to that.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know why he was in Oklahoma, stew I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: don't know why he burglarized it. He was trying to
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: get money to get back to Ohio though he was
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma for some reason, and he was trying to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: get back to Ohio.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Made us some gas money.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, so he's in this gets lost in this neighborhood
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and he decides he needs to rob somebody because that's
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: what he'd been in jail for before, was a you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: aggravated burglary. So he just comes to their house and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: they had left the back door unlocked, and so that's
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: when he just walked right into the home and he
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: was just going to commit this burglary, and he tried
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: to get her to get the pin number, which was
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the phone call to Joe, and when that was unsuccessful,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: he took her to the bedroom and then he said
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: he just he wasn't going to hurt her, and then
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: he did kill her and then stole the credit cards.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: So it's just like, I know he didn't have to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: she wasn't. I think she was trying to remain calm
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: so he wouldn't hurt her mother. And it's like she
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't fighting back. She was gonna give you whatever you wanted,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: just take the stuff and leave. I mean, I don't
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: know how he thought the I don't know if it
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: was I don't know the condition of the the mother.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: You know, whenever you saw her, But I don't know
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: if he could tell she was in she couldn't see
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: or something, because he didn't hurt her, so it wasn't
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: about seeing who the person was that did this. You know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: and you're using a credit card, you're going to get
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: caught eventually. You can't use a credit card and not get.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Caught, No, not unless every place you go it I
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: didn't have any cameras, and then you ditch the.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Credit card unless it's in like Houston. And then They're like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: we don't have time. If all you did was still
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a credit card and use it, we don't have time
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Wow, you're still on that.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: No, they don't have time to deal with They don't care.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: They're like, you got to kill somebody or do something
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: like that for us to have time.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're still upset about that.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, they tried to eat at the Chili's with my
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: credit card in Houston. I'm sure I've told that story before.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Wasn't even in your credit card. Somebody just took the
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: number you had the credit card.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: It made a replica, yes, and then try to use
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: it at a Chili's in Houston. And so they tried
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: it twice and that's when.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Alert or something.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then apparently the manager was like they never
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: got it through because it didn't get approved. But I
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: think I called the chilis and I talked to the manager. Oh, Karen, no,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to throw because this is why these
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: people do this is because they get away with it
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: because the police don't have the resources to go after
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: identity theft and fraud and stuff like that, so they're
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: not going to do so. I called up trying to
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: see if I could press charges or do something because
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: they obviously have the whoever hat did it on camera
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: in the chilis again like a Walmart, they have cameras,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: but they're like, we don't have the There's nothing you
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: can really do. I had to call around to multiple
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: chilies too, because they wouldn't give me the exact one
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that it was ran from.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Wow, I don't even remember any of this.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I had a lot more time before we had children.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I had a lot more. Oh wow, I was angry
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: about that, Stu. All right, So back to this. So yeah,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: so he really it was really completely unnecessary for him
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: to murder her. She was not fighting back, she was
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: ready to give him whatever he needed. So with him
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: admitting to murdering Shirley on June second, two thousand and eight,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: about a year after this all happened, Gary was sentenced
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: to life in prison without parole. Think thankfully he should
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: have been in prison without parole.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: When he could be commuted and he could get parole.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: The Menanda's brothers are gonna possibly get parole now.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But we don't. But we that's some more complex situation,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Stuart than this.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just saying just because he gets life with
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: no parole doesn't mean he.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Can't get something can't happen, can't happen. Yeah, what is
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: it called a commutation? No, what is it called? Uh,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: compassionate release? Things like that happened all the freaking time.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: When they get to a certain age, they're just like, well,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: just let them out, they're probably harmless, and then they
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: go and kill somebody. All right, So Shirley's mother of pearl. Unfortunately,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: just three weeks after Shirley was murdered, she did pass away.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: So the family's having to deal with both these things.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: They said she was just it was just too much,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you know, dealing with it. I mean, because she was
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: she was She couldn't see and stuff, but she was her.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: She was fully functional in terms of understanding what happened,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: you know, to her daughter.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: So yeah, she was just physical. Her mental status was fine.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was just too much for her, they believe,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: and she she passed away. So yeah, it's all around
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: just a depressing situations do because.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Some asshole needed some gas money.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gas prices weren't even that bad in two thousand
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and seven, No, were they? I don't know, I don't remember. No,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: thanks were rough in two thousand and eight. That was
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the crash, the big all the banks needed.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: To be built out. The mortgages went tits up, tits up.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Yep mm hmmm.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: All right, well that is our case for this week, stude.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Do you have a y'all need Jesus?
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: As always?
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: You know who needs Jesus me because of that whole situation.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: At least I called nine one one. Nobody else even called.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: You don't know that she didn't say you said you,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: because whenever I told you what happened, you were like, oh,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: did she say that they already were aware of it.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, she's getting all the information from me.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: And then I felt bad because I'm like, oh my god,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I'm the one giving directions for this.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: To find it is not good.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you have it ready to you're frantically looking.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I can see.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: It in I gotta get back.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: You look like those people at Chili's trying to use
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: my credit card after after they'd been declined already once
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: frantically looking for some other form of payment. They probably
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: just whipped out somebody else's with a bank that didn't
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: have as many security alerts and use that one instead.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: You got it, Stu. I can only kill so much time. Okay, Oh,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I know how I'm gonna kill some time. So I
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: will say this, STU has to have eye surgery here
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: in the next couple weeks. Don't be looking at me, STU.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Just find your y'all need Jesus, Do you have it?
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I got one, you.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Have it now. I want to just say that this.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I had to stop this and delete some of this
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: because it was so long that I was trying to
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: delay for him to find this. But I will say
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Stu has to have eye surgery here in the next
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: and it's like a detached retina. Is that what it is? Yes,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: So it's a bit of a bit of a situation
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: because then he can't pick anything up over ten pounds
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: and are the smallest baby weighs probably nineteen or twenty
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: pounds at this point. I don't know. She's a man.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: She is she's an eater.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: She's an eater. Like it's so funny because we the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: other two have never been eaters. And I know people say, oh, yeah,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: when you have a baby, they'd ever eat everything. Well,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: our two oldest ones are they ate. I wouldn't say
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: they were too picky, but they weren't. Well, this our
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: son was, but he had ended up having he has
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: a tongue tie. Anyways, the whole over death. But our
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: daughter she did like she wasn't necessarily picky. But they don't.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: They never ate, even as babies, you know, fifteen month old,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: eighteen month old, they would never eat, and they really
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: don't eat. Now we've had to cut out all snacks
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: they're not only we stop buying goldfish, all those things
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: because they'd fill up on those and they wouldn't eat
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: their dinner. So we've cut all that out. But this baby,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: she eats her food. She eats whatever. The other two
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: don't eat. And so now at this point, I'm like,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you guys better eat your food or I'm giving to Sissy.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they start.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: To shove up.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh god, well eat the food. Yeah. She
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: ate like two pieces of pizza the other day, which
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: is a lot for We're like honestly like thinking like
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: where Stu was like, should we stop feeding her? And
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I think they know when they're full, that's
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: what they say. But she and then she'll walk around.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: She got this big old pop belly, just like sticking
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: out the rest of that. She really motes some food
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: down the other night though, she ate that whole bag
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: of pasta herself. Yeah, plus plus all the rest of
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the stuff that was supposed to be just the small
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: side and she ate the whole thing. So anyway, so
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Stu's dad is coming to help out. So we may
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: not have episodes that those weeks, or at least that
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: week because I'm not recording with people in the home.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Just not doing it, guys. Okay, No, I can't do it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Like I said, this is our secret podcast. Nobody knows
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: we have it. I try to keep it that way.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: It's so definitely not.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Gonna be recording with Hey, Grandpa, go watch the kids
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: recording it.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because he's gonna ask questions what were doing
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: in here? You know, like what are you guys doing?
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: He might go to sleep and we could do it.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but unless we get ahead of it, uh,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I record ahead of time. I don't know. I might
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: just replay an older episode or something. You guys can
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: listen to that.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: The Frog episode.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: No, We're not going back that far. The audio is terrible,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm so mortified by whatever I've said in the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: early years, mortified. I mortified what I say, what I
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: said today, I feel like I'm gonna get canceled over that.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Dead body in the road.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: We don't know if it was dead, and it was
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: not in the road it was it was a person
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: on the side of the road passed out or something.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: But it was a hot day today.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: So can it just been heat stroke?
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: It could have didn't say just heat stroke. No, I
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: think it was definitely some sort of drug or issues. Yes, Okay,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna stop talking about it. I'll try to find
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: out an update. You guys next.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Week, gona talk about I'm gonna keep talking about it.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Talk about it all victory record again, be like, why
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that? Did
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: you think of this?
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I should have came and got you, and it's right,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: it was right by our house. I should have just
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: came and got you, and you could have drove back
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: over and assisted the person.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I could have.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could have, but you didn't. Okay, Well read
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: your y'all need Jesus, motherfucker.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: This comes to us from one oh one the station
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: wr IF.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I'm familiar.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, are you no, No, If they have a thing
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: called idiot Criminal of the Day, Okay, I don't know
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: if it's a morning zoo wonka walk, a honk a honk,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: a thing or whatever these people do on their one
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: oh one.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I listened to a morning radio show in years I
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: didn't even know. I always wonder whenever I happened to
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: it doesn't turn onto my my iPhone or something like that.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I always wonder when I hear like radio DJs, I'm like,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they're still still doing this, still doing
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: their thing and getting paid. I used to listen to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Kid Kratick in the morning, and I was so upset
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: whenever he died. That was really depressing.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: You can still listen to the Kid Kratick show.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they still call it Kid Kratick, but he's not
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: on there anymore. It's been like ten years.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously, if it was any good, I would have
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: listened to it. So don't and I don't know anything
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: about it, so oh, shut.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Up, stude. It's one of the biggest morning shows in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: the Dallas area and it's broadcast all over the place.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: And I believe Kelly Rasberry is the one that's mentioned
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: our podcast A very long time ago. Someone told us.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Kelly Raspberry, Yes, she mentioned our podcast.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Remember that was a really long time ago when we
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: first started. Someone wrote a review and said, yeah, I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: heard Kelly Raspberry mentioned your show on her podcast or
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: something like that, and that's how they found us. And
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: then we're like, I was like, oh my god, that's
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: like really cool and everything.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: So she's only gotten like tens of listeners too.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Them, No, she has millions of people.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Well it did not translate.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: It translated to one and they wrote a nice review.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: So there.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: And this was back when we had very poor audio,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: which we still kind of do because sometimes stud doesn't
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: talk into the microphone. So if you're wondering why that's happening,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: it's Stuke's fault.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: It's not my fault.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: And two that was back you know now Dateline everybody
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: has a freaking true crime podcast like and a network everyone.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: We've told you guys, we missed our boat. Okay, we
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: missed the ship. We're just riding along. We're just puddling along.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Now we're trying to catch up in our little dingy.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Well we're trying to catch up.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: No, we're not. We're they've done left us in the wake.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: They've done left us in the wake. Stu, all right,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: go ahead, this.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Comes to us. November eighth, twenty twenty three, a thief
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: blabbed to his Uber driver about how he was on
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: his way to commit a crime Florida or not Florida.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Not Florida.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Really. According to reports, a forty one year old thief
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: in Maine, Ah named Kevin Gray ordered a riot share
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: to a local TJ Max TJ maxes. He then blabbed
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: to the driver about how he was gonna rob the place.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: You're forty one, you call an uber to go to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: a TJ Max to rob it? Where have you gone
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: wrong in life that you're robbing a TJ Max?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: This is a this is from He's from Maine. He
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: could never hang with the Florida criminals.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta go somewhere that's got money. I can't
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: imagine a TJ Max has a lot of money in it?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? St Have you ever been to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: a TJ Max and seen the line of ladies that
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: are buying shit at the TJ Max wiping their cars,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: swiping left and right here Ta.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, there's cash money.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: To there's cash money to still yes.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, if you say so. Well, the driver dropped him
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: off called the cops. Police identified the passenger as Gray,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: and in addition to being a suspect in a crime
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: committed the previous day, they saw that he had warrants out.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: When they saw him exit the TJ Max and approach him,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: there was a small foot chase, but they caught him
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and he was arrested.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I thought they ran background checks on whenever you sign
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: up for Uber to be a passenger to or they don't.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't think that they could get away with that.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Gray had several sets of pre conviction bail conditions that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: barred him from several businesses in the area because can
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: you guess why.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: No, I wasn't listening.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Because of the theft charges at those stores. So he's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: been robin stores and they all got like no, no trespass,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah against him. Gray is facing charges in relation to theft,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: as well as drug possession warrants and violations of conditions
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: of release. So there you go. There's a y'all y'all
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: need Jesus short quick to the point in and out
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: when I am bam, Thank you, ma'am. See you in
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: nine months.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? All right? Well, that's our episode
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: for this week. Again. We should be here next week
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: and then it might get a little dicey for two
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: weeks and then we'll be back. But we may we
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: don't know. Surprise, surprise, surprise, surprise.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Just stop. We already have a trouble getting the people
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: to listen to this podcast.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: This is true, all right. We will see you guys
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: next week. Bye, everyone, say byetu bye. Do tell you
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot f. Nothing else
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: is working.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: This word you lay that a can today