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Credlin | 25 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland Live on Sky News Australia. Good evening. We're
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Speaker 1: going to credit and I'm Steve Price sitting in for Peter,
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Speaker 1: who will be back with you next week. Here's what's
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Speaker 1: coming up on our show tonight. More on this shortly,
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Speaker 1: but the debate out Australia signing up to net zero
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Speaker 1: targets is again threatening to split the Coalition as a
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Speaker 1: private members bill from Barnaby Joyce on net zero is
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Speaker 1: debated in Parliament. More on that sect, as well as
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Speaker 1: the climate Housing policy is set to dominate a new
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Speaker 1: sitting session for Federal Parliament, including a rejigged First Home
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Speaker 1: Buyers policy aimed it says, at getting young Australians on
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Speaker 1: the property ladder sooner. But what will it do to
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Speaker 1: the actual property market and what about the regions. I'll
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Speaker 1: talk to Regional Institute Australia chief about that and Senator
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Speaker 1: Andrew Bragg will joined me First Up News at the
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Speaker 1: weekend revealing some of the secret dealings between the Victorian
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Speaker 1: Labor government and indigenous groups over a treaty that would
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Speaker 1: give an elected Aboriginal body the power to question government
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Speaker 1: ministers and even call public hearings In other words, it's
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Speaker 1: the voice Victorian style. I took to Warren Mundine about that,
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Speaker 1: plus with our panel. Despite organized crime cashing in on
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Speaker 1: the retail price of legal tobacco products, the federal government
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Speaker 1: wants to go ahead and raise the excise on cigarettes again,
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Speaker 1: pushing more people onto smuggled imports. That is crazy. But
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Speaker 1: first up, as Federal Parliament resumed today, the nine newspapers
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Speaker 1: ran a poll on support for more ambitious reduction of
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Speaker 1: Australia's emissions. Now, I guess the question would have been
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Speaker 1: quite simple, do you agree or disagree that our zero
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Speaker 1: emission targets should be more ambitious? The poll was of
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Speaker 1: oney eight hundred people, and I'm presuming, although I don't
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Speaker 1: know so I could be wrong, but I'm betting that
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Speaker 1: not many of that eighteen hundred were actually housed in
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Speaker 1: regional and rural Australia. Now, as The Age and the
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Speaker 1: Sidney Morning Herald reported in a celebratory way, forty four
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Speaker 1: percent supported the idea of reducing the nation's carbon emissions
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Speaker 1: by between sixty five and seventy five percent by twenty
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Speaker 1: thirty five. Okay, let's pull that apart. Doesn't that mean
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Speaker 1: fifty six percent, otherwise known as a majority, don't support that,
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Speaker 1: And indeed eighteen percent of that group opposed the idea
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Speaker 1: and thirty eight percent didn't know or didn't care. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I feel like we're back in voice territory again. And
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Speaker 1: what do you seriously think the answer to the question
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Speaker 1: would have been if the question was actually, do you
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Speaker 1: support higher net zero targets for Australia if your standard
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Speaker 1: of living drops? Simple question, and I think we all
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Speaker 1: know the answer. But of course prominent supporters of net zero,
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Speaker 1: including teels like Zali Stegel, who represents the northern beaches
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Speaker 1: of Sydney, where, by the way, the impact of renewables
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Speaker 1: will be a very long way away, she just decides
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Speaker 1: instead to demonize Barnaby, Joyce and anyone else who doesn't
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Speaker 1: agree with her, accusing the Coalition of being irrelevant. Steger
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Speaker 1: was upset that Barnaby's Private Members bill was getting debated
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Speaker 1: at all in the Chamber, something he's only too happy
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Speaker 1: to have happened every Monday Parliament, SAIDs.
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Speaker 2: The path of this nation going down something where the
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Speaker 2: majority of the globe is not going, where the majority
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Speaker 2: of the global economy is not going. Where China's not
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Speaker 2: going I mean, they'll give sort of a statement about it,
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Speaker 2: but they don't do it. Where the United States is
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Speaker 2: getting out of where Russia was never part of, Where
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Speaker 2: Indonesia is not part of, where India is not part of,
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Speaker 2: where Africa is not part of, where Southeast Asia is
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Speaker 2: not part of it, Where basically South America is not.
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Speaker 3: Part of it.
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Speaker 2: Where New Zealand's out of it.
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Speaker 3: What are we going to achieve?
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Speaker 2: Ken, What can this possibly achieve except self immolation?
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Speaker 1: Talking a fair bit of common sense, Barnaby. Now, of
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Speaker 1: course Sarlie Stegel and the Minister Chris Bowen, they don't
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Speaker 1: want to know about any alternative views that might clash
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Speaker 1: with their climate change zelotry, with Steggel again blaming every
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Speaker 1: weather event we even have now including rain, on climate change.
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Speaker 4: Those who are in the know have identified that it
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Speaker 4: is dire, that it is going to be really scary
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Speaker 4: for many communities. That highlights the risk of erosion, droughts, floods, bushfires,
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Speaker 4: all of those escalating.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, this whole debate has become again a massive headache
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Speaker 1: for new opposition leader Susan Lee, who at the weekend
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Speaker 1: stood up at the Queensland LMP state conference and said
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Speaker 1: the party needed to modernize and broaden our appeal, only
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Speaker 1: for the Queenslanders to join state Liberal branches in wa
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Speaker 1: Andsa urging the party to walk away from net zero targets.
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Speaker 1: So where does that leave the new Opposition leader, Susan Lee.
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Speaker 1: Well in a very sticky spot, I'm suggesting, and aren't
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Speaker 1: Labour loving it now? My guess is the new Liberal
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Speaker 1: leader will not be courageous enough to shift her position,
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Speaker 1: even though most Australians now realize that when the personal
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Speaker 1: cost to not dumping net zero will be on their
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Speaker 1: hip pocket, they would love to have an alternative, regardless
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Speaker 1: of their age on politics, I said to Canberra Now
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Speaker 1: for tonight's political headlines, we're joined by Sky News senior
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Speaker 1: political reporter Treaty Macintosh.
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Speaker 5: Parliament is back here in Canberra for the next fortnight
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Speaker 5: and Barnaby Joyce is leading the charge to repeal net zero,
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Speaker 5: Labour granting a rare opportunity to the Opposition to debate
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Speaker 5: the repeal despite no chance of the bill passing the House.
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Speaker 2: Well happy to have it every week, every sitting week, absolutely,
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Speaker 2: I think it's really important And where the street is
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Speaker 2: on this is different to where Parliament House is on this.
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Speaker 4: There's a clown show happening first up down in Parliament
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Speaker 4: in the Chamber, where Barnaby Joyce is showing just how
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Speaker 4: irrelevant the Coalition want to be.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister relative the fight. He believes it exposes
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Speaker 5: a split within the Coalition on climate action.
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Speaker 6: If you get rid of net zero, you are saying
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Speaker 6: climate change is not real.
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Speaker 2: They don't seem to understand the absolute fury and anger
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Speaker 2: and that it's palpable in regional areas.
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Speaker 5: And Labor is fast tracking its first homeowner deposit scheme.
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Speaker 5: Young ossies could save thousands of dollars on lenders mortgage
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Speaker 5: insurance with government back deposits as low as five percent.
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Speaker 5: The start date now October, three months earlier than flagged.
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Speaker 6: We're absolutely determined to do everything we can to fast
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Speaker 6: track home ownership.
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Speaker 5: The scheme has no cap on available places or income limits.
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Speaker 7: I think it is perverse and bizarre that the children
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Speaker 7: of billionaires will now.
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Speaker 3: Have access to a government insurance scheme.
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Speaker 5: Trudy McIntosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Good on your treaty. Thanks for that. We'll catch up
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Speaker 1: with Andrew Bragg, Senator Andrew Bragg in just one moment,
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Speaker 1: I just want to update you on the heartbreaking witness
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Speaker 1: statements that have been relayed in Melbourne Supreme Court today
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Speaker 1: as part of the sentence hearing for mushroom killer Aaron Patterson.
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Speaker 1: Now tonight, we've learned the sent scene will actually be
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Speaker 1: handed down on the eighth of September. Scotte News reporter
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Speaker 1: Holly Stearns has been in court watching that case closely
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Speaker 1: today and filed this report for US earlier.
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Speaker 8: Face to face with the cold blooded killer who took
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Speaker 8: their loved ones one by one, families of the Mushroom
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Speaker 8: Lunch victims delivered powerful impact statements. Aaron Patterson killed Don
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Speaker 8: and Gale Patterson and Heather Wilkinson with a beef Wellington
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Speaker 8: mill and attempted to kill Ian Wilkinson. Simon Patterson, miss
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Speaker 8: Patterson's estranged husband and the son of Don and Gale,
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Speaker 8: had his words read aloud in court, saying his children
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Speaker 8: now live in an irreparably broken home with only a
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Speaker 8: solo parent, and his children still struggle to comprehend what
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Speaker 8: their mother has done, and almost everyone else knows their
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Speaker 8: mother murdered their grandparents. He said he'll carry the knowledge
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Speaker 8: for decades that Don and Gale could still be alive
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Speaker 8: if not for her choosing to murder them. The sole survivor,
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Speaker 8: Anne Wilkinson, was the first to face her. His voice
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Speaker 8: broke as he described his wife, Heather as simply delightful,
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Speaker 8: his love of forty four years, before saying I only
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Speaker 8: feel half alive without her. The silence in our home
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Speaker 8: is a daily reminder that I continue to carry a
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Speaker 8: heavy burden of grief at her untimely death.
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Speaker 3: He accused miss.
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Speaker 8: Patterson of callous and calculated disregard, questioning what foolishness possesses
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Speaker 8: a person who thinks murder is the solution to their problems,
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Speaker 8: especially people that only have good intentions, and in a
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Speaker 8: remarkable moment, also said he forgives her, hoping she'll use
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Speaker 8: prison to become a better person. Miss Patterson could be
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Speaker 8: seen reaching for a tissue after his statement was read.
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Speaker 8: Heather and Ian's daughter to the Court of the Unimaginable Horror,
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Speaker 8: accusing miss Patterson of watching on as her loved ones
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Speaker 8: ate a meal she knew would kill them. Aaron Patterson
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Speaker 8: arrived in custody, stumbling slightly as she stepped out from
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Speaker 8: the Van later smiling at her only friend. Inside court,
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Speaker 8: the public gallery has been pagged family on one side,
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Speaker 8: with loved ones and media on the other to witness
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Speaker 8: what is an extraordinarily raw and emotional two days before
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Speaker 8: Justice Bill delivers his sentence.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Holly, very powerful stuff that that will continue
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Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court tomorrow and as I mentioned, sentencing
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Speaker 1: will happen on the eighth of September. Now I want
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Speaker 1: to take a closer look at these first home buyer
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Speaker 1: financing changes that were announced today by the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albernezi. Now he says this will make it easier
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Speaker 1: for Australians to get a foot onto the property ladder,
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Speaker 1: but there are significant concerns this is actually going to
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Speaker 1: do the opposite, pushing up house prices further out of reach. Now,
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Speaker 1: the shadow spokesman, Shadow mis for Housing, Andrew Bragg, Senator
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Speaker 1: Andrew Bragg, has been deeply critical of the government's efforts
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Speaker 1: to tackle housing and this latest announcement even prompting a
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Speaker 1: slight backhander from the Prime Minister today.
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Speaker 6: Now maybe the member can have a word. We're Senator
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Speaker 6: brag ring him up this afternoon and say mate, I
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Speaker 6: think you've got this wrong. I think you've got this wrong.
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Speaker 6: I think I issure back in the government, back in
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Speaker 6: the government on our policies, and while they're at it,
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Speaker 6: they can back in our entire homes through Australia Plan.
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Speaker 1: Senator brag joins us, Now, what did you make of that?
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, good evening, Steve.
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Speaker 7: Well, the government tables on housing, they are presided over
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Speaker 7: a massive collapse in housing construction whilst basically putting Australians
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Speaker 7: through the largest increase in population.
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Speaker 3: In our history.
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Speaker 7: So they've been that disaster on housing and we're all
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Speaker 7: paying the price.
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Speaker 1: Well, every time I raised this issue of housing with
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Speaker 1: people who don't follow politics particularly closely, often the response
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Speaker 1: is just that, Andrew, well, why are we letting so
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Speaker 1: many people into the country. We haven't got anywhere for
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Speaker 1: them to live.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 7: In fact, when we ask questions at sended estimates about
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Speaker 7: whether the Treasury Department had modeled the impact of having
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Speaker 7: over a million people coming into the country but only
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Speaker 7: building a couple of hundred thousand houses at the same time,
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Speaker 7: they said that they hadn't been asked to do any modeling,
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Speaker 7: and in fact, Katie Gallagher said it was good that
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Speaker 7: they hadn't modeled that nexus.
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Speaker 3: So there you go.
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Speaker 1: So I mean I go back to the you know
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Speaker 1: when I was trying to buy my first house and
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Speaker 1: I never had enough you know, I spent too much
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Speaker 1: money having a good time probably so I never had
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Speaker 1: enough money for a deposit. But my partner at the
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Speaker 1: time did. We managed to scrabble it together and get
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Speaker 1: a loan from the bank. Worries me about this? Is
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Speaker 1: this five percent idea that you can go out and
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Speaker 1: now you can earn whatever money you want. You can
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Speaker 1: go out and apply for a five percent loan and
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Speaker 1: the Australian taxpayers are going to guarantee that loan to
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Speaker 1: that bank. Is that how it's going to work?
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Speaker 3: Well, it's absolutely insanity.
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Speaker 7: So the com Wealth government will become the biggest mortgage
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Speaker 7: insurer in the country and the common Wealth will be
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Speaker 7: underwriting all the mortgages because it won't be means tested.
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Speaker 3: And so you can.
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Speaker 7: See that very wealthy people, the children of billionaires perhaps
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Speaker 7: will become subjects of the scheme. And I mean welfare
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Speaker 7: is the people who really need it, Steve, It's not
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Speaker 7: for people who have a lot of money. And when
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Speaker 7: the scheme was initially introduced it was about lower income people,
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Speaker 7: and now expanding it to all Australians potentially who want
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Speaker 7: to buy a first house without any means testing or
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Speaker 7: income caps. I think this is a crazy idea that
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Speaker 7: nation can't afford.
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Speaker 1: And there's not even a cap any longer on the
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Speaker 1: number of these loans that will be able to be accessed,
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Speaker 1: is it?
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Speaker 3: There's no cap on that.
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Speaker 7: So my sense is that the cost of this new
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Speaker 7: scheme will be in the tens of billions of dollars
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Speaker 7: in terms of the contingent liability.
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Speaker 3: And I just think when you're looking at ten.
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Speaker 7: Years of budget deficits, this is another example of spending
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Speaker 7: and costs, even if it's contingent liabilities that the nation
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Speaker 7: can't afford. So these guys, I mean, I'm very confused.
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Speaker 7: It's hard to follow. They say they're against red tape,
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Speaker 7: and now they introduce a universal government scheme for mortgage insurance. Similarly,
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Speaker 7: they introduce a government property developer. So it's incoherent at best,
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Speaker 7: either against red tape or your four red tape.
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Speaker 3: I just find it very hard to follow.
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Speaker 1: So what's to stop me if I've got an eighteen
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Speaker 1: year old and a nineteen year old, using them as
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Speaker 1: first home buyers to apply for a low interest loan
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Speaker 1: for a property at five percent guaranteed by the government.
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Speaker 1: I pay the mortgage and I've suddenly got myself two
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Speaker 1: properties that I'm not going to live it. Are you're
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Speaker 1: going to have to prove you live in this property?
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Speaker 7: Well, there'll be the usual anti avoidance measures which are
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Speaker 7: already part of the scheme. But the point is that
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Speaker 7: it was a targeted scheme for low income earnest Now
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Speaker 7: it's going to be a scheme for any first homeowner.
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Speaker 3: Including the children of billionaires.
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Speaker 7: So what that means is that the overall liability we
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Speaker 7: funded by all taxpayers. So I don't see why the
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Speaker 7: average Aussie taxpayer should be funding a mortgage insurance product
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Speaker 7: for the child of a billionaire.
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Speaker 3: Now I have nothing.
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Speaker 7: Against billionaires, Steve, but I think it's very weird for
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Speaker 7: a labor government to be prioritizing this. But as I say,
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Speaker 7: it is actually in character with their whole budget strategy,
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Speaker 7: which is to run the joint into the ground. And
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Speaker 7: as I say, we're looking at ten years of deficits
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Speaker 7: and this is a sort of.
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Speaker 3: Large ess which the country just can't afford.
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Speaker 7: So I would say to you that at best the
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Speaker 7: government is confused. Either they want the private economy trade
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Speaker 7: these builders and developers to be building the houses and
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Speaker 7: providing that part of the economy, or they believe that
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Speaker 7: a camera based bureaucracy should be building houses through the
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Speaker 7: housing astray, A Future Fund doesn't build any houses, and
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Speaker 7: the Canbras also have been providing mortgage insurance for everyone.
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Speaker 1: One bank economist this evening has been quoted as saying, well,
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Speaker 1: the only people are going to really benefit this people
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Speaker 1: who getting very quickly, because the net effect of this
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Speaker 1: it's going to drive up property prices quickly.
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Speaker 7: Well, the demand side measures can actually make the situation worse,
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Speaker 7: often are very likely to do so. And the main
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Speaker 7: problem is that we are living through the biggest population
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Speaker 7: surge in our history since the nineteen fifties, but subsequently
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Speaker 7: we've had a massive collapse in housing construction. The government
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Speaker 7: is giving us more people than ever and fewer houses,
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Speaker 7: so they've got no chance of meeting their housing supply targets.
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Speaker 7: Their housing istral A Future Fund has ten billion bucks
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Speaker 7: and it's only built seventeen houses in two years.
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Speaker 3: So the supply side is a nightmare. Now they come
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Speaker 3: onto the demand side.
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Speaker 7: With a universal scheme for people who don't need government welfare,
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Speaker 7: and then it's quite clear that these guys are never
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Speaker 7: going to solve the housing crisis because they're incoherent and incompetent.
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Speaker 1: So just explain to me in question time today the opposition,
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Speaker 1: we're asking questions about why the government was copying opposition
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Speaker 1: policy that you went to the last election with. How
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Speaker 1: did your scheme differ to what Anthony Albernese's announced today
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Speaker 1: with clar O'Neil.
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Speaker 7: So, the government have taken two policies that the Liberal
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Speaker 7: Party and the National Party took for the last election.
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Speaker 7: The first is the freest of the National Construction Code.
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Speaker 3: So the idea of.
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Speaker 7: That policy is to stop some of their costs into
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Speaker 7: the system which is making home building uneconomic. And the
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Speaker 7: second policy was in relation to the Environmental Protection Act,
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Speaker 7: So we wanted to approve a lot of the houses
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Speaker 7: that have been blocked up because the parrot flew over
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Speaker 7: a block of land in nineteen seventy one and therefore
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Speaker 7: now you can't have any houses there. So those are
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Speaker 7: two policies that we had have now become part of
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Speaker 7: labour's options.
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Speaker 1: So just finally, I mean every state government's got its
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Speaker 1: own housing policy as well, which further complicates things. As
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Speaker 1: we know, in Victoria they changed some of the planning
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Speaker 1: laws so that the state government could override local councils
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Speaker 1: and go to developers and say, if you promise when
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Speaker 1: you build these homes or houses mostly apartments, and you
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Speaker 1: promised to put in some affordable housing, or you're put
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Speaker 1: in a park or some laneways, then we will let
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Speaker 1: you develop that property. Turns out today that not one
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Speaker 1: affordable apartment has been built in any of those projects
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Speaker 1: that have been fast tracked.
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Speaker 7: Well, I can't speak for those particular projects, but certainly
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Speaker 7: apartment building is important and a lot of first home
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Speaker 7: owners are going to be looking at a small apartment
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Speaker 7: for their first house. So every time an apartment block
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Speaker 7: doesn't go ahead, that's bad for younger people. And so
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Speaker 7: in general we want to see a supply lead housing
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Speaker 7: and recovery, which is why we've been speaking to builders
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Speaker 7: and developers and traders about what are the things that
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Speaker 7: are making home building uneconomic. We know that camera based
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Speaker 7: bureaucracies is not the way to go, so we wouldn't
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Speaker 7: have the Housing Australia Future Fund. We wouldn't be having
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Speaker 7: universal mortgage insurance because we don't think that the taxpayer
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Speaker 7: should be funding all these things. We think that the
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Speaker 7: better way to do this is to listen to the
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Speaker 7: people who are actually in the vanguard of housing construction.
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Speaker 7: And we know that we need to get about two
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Speaker 7: hundred and fifty thousand new houses each and every year,
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Speaker 7: as opposed to what we're getting now, which is about
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Speaker 7: one hundred and seventy thousand houses a year under labor.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a mess. Andrew Bragg, thank you very much
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Speaker 1: for your time to right now. Coming up after the break,
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Speaker 1: a blink warning out of Taiwan. How serious should we
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Speaker 1: be taking that warning? Plus Victoria is one step closer
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Speaker 1: to this indigenous treaty and its own voice to Parliament,
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Speaker 1: which is unbelievable. Back after the break, welcome back to
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Speaker 1: step Price with you. I'll go back to that housing
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Speaker 1: issue a little later. I want to talk to Regional
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Speaker 1: Australia about it, exactly what happens out in country towns.
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Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of this housing discussion seems to
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Speaker 1: revolve around ten fifteen twenty story apartment blocks built next
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Speaker 1: to train stations in suburban Australia. But I'm just not
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Speaker 1: sure what's happening out in the bush. We'll have a
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Speaker 1: chat to someone who's got a really firm idea on
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Speaker 1: that shortly now, Taiwan has issued what can only be
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Speaker 1: described as a dire warning to the Albanezi government. This
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Speaker 1: was included in The Australian this morning. This is what
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Speaker 1: would happen according to that story of China invades. It
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Speaker 1: will have the ability to quote weaponize the island's computer
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Speaker 1: chip into street too, in their words, ruled the world.
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Speaker 1: Those extraordinary comments came from the Taiwanese Deputy Foreign Minister,
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Speaker 1: who also compared Chinese President Jijing Ping's ambitions to the
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Speaker 1: Hitler of the nineteen thirties. Now, obviously this is significant
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Speaker 1: because Taiwan produces sixty percent of the world's computer chips,
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Speaker 1: ninety percent of the most advanced chips which are needed
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Speaker 1: for artificial intelligence, although Donald Trump is trying to take
20:27
Speaker 1: a lot of that production. Now to the United States,
20:30
Speaker 1: joining me. Strategic Analysis Stralia Director Michael Schubrich, Great to
20:34
Speaker 1: see you again. What do you make of the comparison
20:37
Speaker 1: to pre World War two Germany? Is that Retrick a
20:40
Speaker 1: little strong.
20:43
Speaker 9: Well, Sijingping and the Chinese Communist Party do want to
20:47
Speaker 9: control the global economy and the global order. They wanted
20:51
Speaker 9: to be a chin Chinese centered world, and they've said
20:54
Speaker 9: that a Sino centric world, so to that extent, the
20:58
Speaker 9: Taiwanese Deputy Foreign Ministers right. But on the Czechoslovakia Taiwan comparison,
21:04
Speaker 9: I think Taiwan has undersold themselves. Czechoslovakia before World War
21:10
Speaker 9: II is an important industrial manufacturer, but Taiwan now is
21:14
Speaker 9: probably the critical source of the world's digital technologies. So
21:20
Speaker 9: think about Beijing having a stranglehold on everything that powers
21:24
Speaker 9: our digital world, the world semiconductor production system. That's a
21:30
Speaker 9: very disturbing thing. That would give Beijing much more global
21:34
Speaker 9: technological and military power than it has now.
21:39
Speaker 1: Is it one of the reasons Donald Trump has tried
21:42
Speaker 1: to move some of that chip production back into the
21:44
Speaker 1: United States by using his weapons of tariffs?
21:50
Speaker 9: Well, yes, it is because Donald Trump is trying to
21:54
Speaker 9: resurrect American digital and industrial strength and Taiwan one is
22:00
Speaker 9: the critical source of that. But anyone that thinks Taiwan's
22:04
Speaker 9: security doesn't matter to Australia doesn't understand how the digital
22:08
Speaker 9: world works, and Taiwan's critical place in that. So if
22:13
Speaker 9: Beijing does invade and conquer Taiwan, we will suffer the
22:18
Speaker 9: consequences down here in Australia, like the rest of.
22:21
Speaker 3: The free world.
22:23
Speaker 1: So China would be dealing with who they wanted to
22:26
Speaker 1: deal with, or they would be dealing with nobody, and
22:29
Speaker 1: the supply of these chips would dry up. Now, Michael,
22:32
Speaker 1: we both saw during COVID, in particular, when production was
22:35
Speaker 1: limited and the supply chains broke down, that everything, I mean,
22:40
Speaker 1: major motor manufacturing around the world almost ground to a
22:43
Speaker 1: halt because they had no chips to put in these
22:46
Speaker 1: cars to run fancy climate control conditions and radios and
22:51
Speaker 1: things in cars.
22:54
Speaker 9: Well exactly, So China would then control all manufacturing across
23:00
Speaker 9: the globe. But also a semiconductors are powering artificial intelligence
23:06
Speaker 9: and that race for dominance that's on in the AI world,
23:10
Speaker 9: China would get an enormous leg up in that race.
23:14
Speaker 9: So if we'd like communist China to win the AI
23:17
Speaker 9: race and control global manufacturing of technology they're not caring
23:23
Speaker 9: about Taiwan is the best path to that.
23:27
Speaker 1: I don't hear the but easy government talking very much
23:30
Speaker 1: about our relationship with Taiwan. I don't know if that's
23:33
Speaker 1: the media's fault that we don't ask, but what is
23:35
Speaker 1: our relationship with Taiwan like, Because they've asked the government,
23:39
Speaker 1: I think, to back its bid to join the twelve
23:42
Speaker 1: nation transpecific trade agreements. I mean, is that important?
23:46
Speaker 3: Is that?
23:46
Speaker 1: Should that happen?
23:50
Speaker 9: Well, yes, we hear the Albanezi government talk about how
23:54
Speaker 9: important free and open trade is. Taiwan is one of
23:58
Speaker 9: the highest standard free trading nations on the planet, in
24:02
Speaker 9: contrast to China, which hits everybody over the head with trade.
24:07
Speaker 9: But the British and even New Zealand have been braver
24:11
Speaker 9: than our government by entering trade agreements with Taiwan. So
24:17
Speaker 9: we could be as brave as New Zealand and enter
24:19
Speaker 9: a trade agreement with Taiwan and we could back their
24:22
Speaker 9: membership of that big Transpacific partnership agreement. But the Albanese
24:28
Speaker 9: government is absolutely silent, muzzled by Beijing when it comes
24:33
Speaker 9: to this.
24:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very close to jijingping Obviously, just when I've
24:38
Speaker 1: got you there, it seems to have gone very quiet.
24:40
Speaker 1: This idea that Donald Trump profited that he would be
24:42
Speaker 1: able to set up a two way meeting between Zelenski
24:45
Speaker 1: and Putin, and even that he might be there himself.
24:49
Speaker 1: Is that just the diplomats working in the background trying
24:53
Speaker 1: to make it happen. Or is Putin won again and
24:55
Speaker 1: is just delaying, delaying, delaying, and scorching Ukraine with ever
25:00
Speaker 1: more drones and missiles.
25:04
Speaker 9: Putin has got an enormous propaganda victory out of meeting
25:08
Speaker 9: with President Trump on US soil, and the last thing
25:12
Speaker 9: he wants to do is have an enormous propaganda loss
25:15
Speaker 9: by meeting with Ukraine's leader Voladimir Zelenski, because Putin has
25:21
Speaker 9: told the world that Zelensky is not legitimate, and yet
25:26
Speaker 9: he knows he faces one of the most courageous leaders
25:29
Speaker 9: on the planet in the Ukrainian leader. So Putin wants
25:34
Speaker 9: to run a million miles from meeting with Zelenski. But
25:37
Speaker 9: we'll meet with Trump every time.
25:41
Speaker 1: Michaelaw is good. Tap your brain, Thank you very much,
25:44
Speaker 1: Michael Schubridge. Then now I want to come back to
25:45
Speaker 1: domestic issues. The Victorian government and this decision by the
25:50
Speaker 1: cinder Allen labor government to sign up to a treaty
25:53
Speaker 1: with traditional owners now effectively creating a Victorian voice to
25:58
Speaker 1: Parliament that Victoria vote against toted the rest of Australia.
26:02
Speaker 1: There was a report of the weekend that some of
26:03
Speaker 1: the legislation to set this treaty up might be go
26:07
Speaker 1: before the Victorian Parliament as soon as this week. Now,
26:10
Speaker 1: the treaty grants first People's Assembly powers. Now what does
26:14
Speaker 1: that actually mean? What it means an elected indigenous group
26:18
Speaker 1: would be able to scrutinize government commitments. And don't forget
26:21
Speaker 1: the Allen Government's already spent at least three hundred and
26:25
Speaker 1: eighty two million dollars on this process. Most of it's
26:28
Speaker 1: been secret. Full details and costs remain unclear. Joining me
26:33
Speaker 1: in our one of the leading voices against the Voice,
26:37
Speaker 1: waram Undine joins us, this is Warren, thanks for your
26:40
Speaker 1: time again. Just the voice by stealth by state government,
26:44
Speaker 1: isn't it.
26:45
Speaker 10: Well, it's not so much of a stealth, it's sticking
26:49
Speaker 10: in our face. They've been talking about this for a while,
26:53
Speaker 10: they've been looking at how they can get the voice,
26:56
Speaker 10: which was completely smashed in the random and even in Victoria.
27:01
Speaker 10: It was a big victory there for the No campaign.
27:05
Speaker 10: But it also worries me in.
27:08
Speaker 11: A number of areas.
27:09
Speaker 10: Look, you're talking about the cost of three hundred and
27:11
Speaker 10: eighty two million dollars so far and the areas and
27:14
Speaker 10: other areas that I'm concerned about it. It also doesn't
27:18
Speaker 10: actually recognize Aboriginal culture in that only people who can
27:21
Speaker 10: speak for country and the traditional owners of that country.
27:24
Speaker 10: So for instance, if you look in the northern Churchy
27:27
Speaker 10: looking at the jungle and people like that who speak
27:32
Speaker 10: for the country. In my country, it's Bungelonging and that
27:35
Speaker 10: so we're the only ones who are under our own
27:37
Speaker 10: culture who speak for our country, not some sort of
27:40
Speaker 10: bureaucratic body that's been set up. And when you hear
27:44
Speaker 10: some of the salaries and some of the money that's
27:46
Speaker 10: been spent on it, you sort of wonder, how is
27:49
Speaker 10: this helping Aboriginal people?
27:50
Speaker 11: And of course it's going to be sitting within parliament
27:53
Speaker 11: is what I heard as well. I could be wrong
27:56
Speaker 11: in that, but that's what I've read today.
27:59
Speaker 10: And so you know that is a serious thing about
28:03
Speaker 10: one set of people are having more access and more
28:08
Speaker 10: power than the rest of Australians.
28:12
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to ask you about that, but
28:14
Speaker 1: I want to ask you first about this idea that
28:16
Speaker 1: this group that's going to be able to demand scrutiny
28:19
Speaker 1: over all legislation that would affect Indigenous people, and then
28:23
Speaker 1: they'll be able to demand that a government minister turn
28:27
Speaker 1: up and explain to them why they're doing that, and
28:30
Speaker 1: indeed they're going to be able to lobby to have
28:32
Speaker 1: that legislation changed. Who was this elected group and who's
28:36
Speaker 1: doing the voting.
28:38
Speaker 11: Well, that's a good question. When you look at the
28:41
Speaker 11: it's the first People's Assembly in Victoria.
28:43
Speaker 10: When you look at the voting, what happened when the
28:47
Speaker 10: Aboriginal people did have a choice.
28:49
Speaker 11: About voting, only about seven percent of the voter.
28:53
Speaker 10: So all eligible Aboriginal people in Victoria who could vote,
28:57
Speaker 10: only seven first handle of them actually vote for this body.
29:01
Speaker 10: So that's about ninety three percent of them for various reasons,
29:06
Speaker 10: did not actually vote for this body. So you've got
29:10
Speaker 10: to start considering the legitimacy of this whole process and
29:14
Speaker 10: the legitimacy of this body actually.
29:17
Speaker 11: Then, speaking for average from people.
29:21
Speaker 1: Well, Victoria, when I last looked at an Indigenous population
29:24
Speaker 1: of about three percent of the population, So how come
29:27
Speaker 1: we're going to hand over those extra rights to three
29:30
Speaker 1: percent of the population when ninety three percent of the
29:35
Speaker 1: population don't have the same right.
29:38
Speaker 10: As we pointed out during the Voice campaign, New Zealand
29:42
Speaker 10: has a treaty and guess what, you know, they're having
29:46
Speaker 10: massive problems over there and they're also and it actually
29:50
Speaker 10: hasn't improved as the Maori populations compared.
29:56
Speaker 11: To the rest of the population.
29:58
Speaker 10: And they look at treaties all around the world.
30:00
Speaker 11: The same thing has happened all the time.
30:02
Speaker 10: You end up with a leading group of people who
30:05
Speaker 10: go around bossing and bullying people.
30:07
Speaker 11: And that's the whole process. It our for me, the
30:11
Speaker 11: Australian public.
30:12
Speaker 10: The Victorian people had a chance to decide what they
30:15
Speaker 10: wanted about a voice to Parliament about a body sitting
30:18
Speaker 10: within Parliament, and they voted.
30:20
Speaker 11: It was sounding no. And so this is.
30:23
Speaker 10: Typical of the left leaning Victorian government who's been in
30:29
Speaker 10: power for something in twenty six years of the last
30:32
Speaker 10: thirty years have take this arrogant stance about just ignoring
30:37
Speaker 10: what the people want.
30:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, it all started with Daniel Andrews and Jacinda Allen
30:43
Speaker 1: is as wedded to it as anybody. But this number,
30:45
Speaker 1: this eye ordering figure of nearly four hundred million dollars
30:50
Speaker 1: on negotiations. Can someone please give me the details of
30:54
Speaker 1: what that money was spent on? How could you spend
30:57
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars on a bunch of people sitting
31:00
Speaker 1: around a table negotiating.
31:02
Speaker 11: Look, I'm not surprised, you know.
31:04
Speaker 10: We just saw recently the report on Indigenous corporations and
31:10
Speaker 10: bodies who are received in government funding, and you know,
31:13
Speaker 10: a whole lot of them didn't even you know, didn't
31:15
Speaker 10: even meet their reporting standards, you know, you know, to Enterprise,
31:20
Speaker 10: myself and many other average people have been calling for
31:22
Speaker 10: audits and to look at where all this money's been
31:25
Speaker 10: spent and what's going on. You know, how many education programs,
31:28
Speaker 10: how many job creation programs, how many housing programs.
31:31
Speaker 11: Could have been you know, could have really leaded that.
31:34
Speaker 10: You know that nearly four hundred million dollars plus when
31:37
Speaker 10: you look at the Voice campaign, you look at another
31:39
Speaker 10: four hundred to five hundred million dollars as well spent
31:41
Speaker 10: on that. So you're starting, he's seeing all his money
31:45
Speaker 10: and it hasn't improved that one average person's life.
31:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can see, you know, with labor administrations
31:54
Speaker 1: in New South Wales, South Australia, I think South Australia
31:56
Speaker 1: is already a fair way down this track, Warren. I mean,
32:00
Speaker 1: all the labor states will probably follow suit, and so
32:03
Speaker 1: we're just going to get a voice by default, despite
32:05
Speaker 1: the fact that you and people like just sent an Amber.
32:07
Speaker 1: Jimper Price led a campaign that convinced Australians that was
32:11
Speaker 1: the wrong thing to do well, and you.
32:13
Speaker 10: Know, and the worst part of it, the worst part
32:16
Speaker 10: of it is the spending of the money that has
32:19
Speaker 10: not improved one person's life. You're seeing all the targets
32:23
Speaker 10: and the closes of the gap have not met that.
32:26
Speaker 10: You know, it's only about four of them have actually
32:29
Speaker 10: been on track the meeting their targets. And you see
32:33
Speaker 10: all this native title and land rights legislation has delivered
32:37
Speaker 10: more than fifty percent of Australia's land masks to these
32:42
Speaker 10: indigenous corporations, these bodies, and you sort of go to
32:46
Speaker 10: these communities and people are still not struggling. They'll in
32:50
Speaker 10: poor housing conditions, their crime rate is for the roof,
32:53
Speaker 10: unemployment and business opportunities are being wasted, and you sort
32:58
Speaker 10: of start thinking themselves, here we go again.
33:01
Speaker 11: We're going to go around.
33:02
Speaker 10: This magic, a merry go around which just give us,
33:06
Speaker 10: these bodies that can then make Outland this in incredible
33:11
Speaker 10: statements and tax and the rest of Australians and not
33:14
Speaker 10: produce anything that improves aporiginal people's life.
33:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, here we go again, Warren. Good on you,
33:21
Speaker 1: nice to catch up. Thanks a lot. Coming up after
33:23
Speaker 1: the break. What does the Prime Minister's housing plan mean
33:26
Speaker 1: for the regions out in the bush, out in country
33:28
Speaker 1: towns and can it really deliver one point two million
33:31
Speaker 1: dollar homes or is that just more political spin?
33:34
Speaker 3: That's up next.
33:40
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Steve Price. Credible will be back with you
33:42
Speaker 1: next week. Andrew Bolt with you at the top of
33:44
Speaker 1: the hour. I started the program tonight talking about the
33:47
Speaker 1: changes to housing policy announced by the federal government today
33:51
Speaker 1: five percent loans, you won't have to have a mortgage insurance.
33:55
Speaker 1: The scheme is going to be uncapped and there will
33:57
Speaker 1: be no salary capping on it either. It's going to
34:00
Speaker 1: be very interesting to see how this unfolds. One of
34:03
Speaker 1: the things that worries me about this whenever we have
34:06
Speaker 1: these housing conversations, it always seems to be about multi
34:10
Speaker 1: level apartment blocks in our capital cities, places like Sydney,
34:13
Speaker 1: where there was a story at the weekend that they're
34:16
Speaker 1: going to put in this new development over the top
34:19
Speaker 1: of what was to be a train station at Wllara.
34:22
Speaker 1: You've got building after building in Melbourne of multi stories
34:25
Speaker 1: and they're talking about putting them into places like Saint
34:27
Speaker 1: Kilda and in Brighton, places that don't really want them. Well,
34:33
Speaker 1: the Regional Australia Institute last week called for two in
34:37
Speaker 1: five of these new homes to be built in the region.
34:40
Speaker 1: Since the number of regional building approvals you won't believe
34:43
Speaker 1: this has dropped by twenty one percent in the past
34:46
Speaker 1: twenty years. Joining me now is Regional Australia Institute Chief
34:49
Speaker 1: Executive Liz Richie. Great to talk to you, Liz. I'm
34:53
Speaker 1: not misreading that, am I. I mean it seems that
34:56
Speaker 1: the conversation, both in the media and politically always centers
35:00
Speaker 1: around multi level apartments in capital cities.
35:05
Speaker 12: Yeah, good evening, Steve. No, you're not misreading it at all.
35:08
Speaker 12: I guess. Look, we were pleased to launch our report
35:11
Speaker 12: last week answering the call for regional housing and what
35:14
Speaker 12: it clearly showed is, as you've just mentioned, housing approvals
35:18
Speaker 12: have actually shrunk by twenty percent, so we were approving
35:22
Speaker 12: more houses twenty years ago than we are today at
35:25
Speaker 12: a time when our regions are growing faster than they
35:28
Speaker 12: ever have before, and so we're very concerned about what
35:32
Speaker 12: this means for regional communities and how we can better
35:37
Speaker 12: meet the demand that we're experiencing right now. We want
35:41
Speaker 12: to celebrate the growth of regional Australia, and in order
35:44
Speaker 12: to unlock that growth and meet that demand, we need
35:48
Speaker 12: to have many more houses than we're currently seeing. The
35:52
Speaker 12: other issue that I'd add in relation to I guess
35:54
Speaker 12: this housing debate being dominated by capital city outcomes, is
36:00
Speaker 12: that when you look at the metrics, whether it be
36:04
Speaker 12: rental vacancies, which we know regions in many areas well
36:09
Speaker 12: under one percent, but at the moment sitting at an
36:12
Speaker 12: average of one point seven percent, much lower than our
36:15
Speaker 12: capital cities. When you also look at house price growth
36:20
Speaker 12: and rental increase, it is far more acute. So it's
36:25
Speaker 12: outpacing growth in our capital cities. And so that's a
36:29
Speaker 12: great concern to us when we know that we've got
36:33
Speaker 12: two in five city dwellers that actually want to make
36:35
Speaker 12: the move to the regions, and we've got essential workers
36:39
Speaker 12: who are currently trying to found houses. So we've got
36:43
Speaker 12: some concerns.
36:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean the question is do the regions
36:50
Speaker 1: have sufficient demand for the legislation and the governments to
36:58
Speaker 1: force the houses to be built in our regions. I mean,
37:01
Speaker 1: you've got to have the jobs obviously, you've got to
37:02
Speaker 1: have the infrastructure, you've got to have the roads, and
37:06
Speaker 1: you've got to have all of the stuff that goes
37:08
Speaker 1: with you know, bringing up the populations of country towns,
37:12
Speaker 1: which I think is a really important thing to do,
37:14
Speaker 1: is the demand.
37:15
Speaker 12: There, Absolutely the demands there. As I just mentioned, two
37:20
Speaker 12: in five city dwellers want to make the move, and
37:23
Speaker 12: in fact, I saw a survey last week that was
37:27
Speaker 12: undertaken that actually that's increased to one in three who
37:31
Speaker 12: want to move to regional Australia. So you know, we
37:34
Speaker 12: know the demand is there, and that's why we've been
37:37
Speaker 12: calling for two in five. In our report, we call
37:40
Speaker 12: for forty percent of the homes within the one point
37:44
Speaker 12: two million target to be located in our regions. Because
37:51
Speaker 12: of the growth that we're experiencing and because of the demand,
37:55
Speaker 12: we don't think that this is changing anytime soon. You know,
37:59
Speaker 12: the move to the region was already underway before COVID
38:02
Speaker 12: COVID simply supercharged that and now post COVID we're continuing
38:08
Speaker 12: to see record levels of movement. So we have to
38:12
Speaker 12: adequately plan for this and housing is one of the
38:15
Speaker 12: key areas that needs that planning, which is why we're
38:19
Speaker 12: advocating for a target.
38:23
Speaker 1: So the regional council Shire councils are they on board?
38:27
Speaker 1: Are they making it easier for developers to get through
38:31
Speaker 1: the planning process and build properties in country towns. That's
38:35
Speaker 1: part of my question. But the second part of my
38:38
Speaker 1: question too is which is something that really annoys me.
38:40
Speaker 1: We talk about building more homes in capital cities, we're
38:44
Speaker 1: not really building more homes. We're building multi story apartments.
38:48
Speaker 1: When we talk about regional Australia, we're actually talking about
38:51
Speaker 1: houses on if not on quarter acre blocks, houses on
38:56
Speaker 1: blocks of land.
38:56
Speaker 13: Aren't we well, actually we're talking about up both Steve, So,
39:01
Speaker 13: to answer the first part of your question, I think
39:04
Speaker 13: many local governments are trying to do everything they can.
39:08
Speaker 12: There are a number of constraints. I mean, we are,
39:11
Speaker 12: you know, constantly looking for more professional skills in the
39:14
Speaker 12: planning field, in surveying, engineering, builders, tradees, you name it.
39:21
Speaker 12: We need them. There's almost seventy thousand jobs available across
39:26
Speaker 12: rural and regional Australia. So you know, we can't build
39:29
Speaker 12: those houses, we can't approve those houses unless we can
39:32
Speaker 12: get the talent and the skills to unlock to unlock
39:38
Speaker 12: that building. But what I would say is, you know,
39:41
Speaker 12: this is one of the other issues with regional Australia
39:44
Speaker 12: is that it's dominated by detached housing. As you've just
39:48
Speaker 12: mentioned there, you know the large Quarduator acre block. Now,
39:51
Speaker 12: regional Austria is modernizing and in that future we see
39:57
Speaker 12: the need and demand for more more multi level, mixed
40:02
Speaker 12: density townhouses apartments. You know, they haven't featured strongly in
40:07
Speaker 12: regional housing markets depending where you are. Obviously, regional Australia
40:12
Speaker 12: is very diverse, but what we know is that the
40:14
Speaker 12: downsizes want smaller places. Younger people want smaller places. People
40:20
Speaker 12: are busy, they don't have the time to spend and
40:23
Speaker 12: care for their gardens as they perhaps once did. But
40:26
Speaker 12: there is still a huge demand for detached housing because
40:30
Speaker 12: some of the demographic that's moving the most is our
40:34
Speaker 12: millennial demographic, who are bringing their families and looking for
40:39
Speaker 12: a life in the regions where they'll have more time
40:42
Speaker 12: and space and connection to communities. So there is still
40:46
Speaker 12: a strong demand for detached houses. But it's our recommendation
40:50
Speaker 12: and many local governments have called for this, that we
40:54
Speaker 12: need to see more diversity in our housing stock.
41:00
Speaker 3: Good luck with it.
41:00
Speaker 1: You're quite right. I have little time to tend to
41:02
Speaker 1: my garden. I probably wish I didn't have one in
41:05
Speaker 1: the end.
41:05
Speaker 3: Liz, thank you very much for that. Good luck with that.
41:07
Speaker 1: We'll keep it tabs across it now after the break,
41:09
Speaker 1: the disgraceful scenes witness at pro Palestine protests in Melbourne
41:14
Speaker 1: over the weekend just disgraceful. Plus with the tobacco XI
41:18
Speaker 1: set to go up again next week, new data shows
41:21
Speaker 1: nicotine news is actually on the rise. Welcome back James
41:29
Speaker 1: McPherson filling in for Andrew bolt tonight. Now let's bring
41:32
Speaker 1: in our panel One Nation cheaper staff James Ashby joins
41:35
Speaker 1: Peter every Monday night and Shadow Immigration spokesman Paul Ska.
41:39
Speaker 1: Good to see you both. I want to start with
41:41
Speaker 1: those pro Palestinian protests took place around the country. We
41:45
Speaker 1: saw the TV pictures on our NEWSS again at the weekend.
41:48
Speaker 1: Pretty big crowds in Brisbane less so in Melbourne and Sydney,
41:51
Speaker 1: but still people all over the joint. The scenes in
41:56
Speaker 1: Melbourne were really disturbing. Protesters started abusing a group of
42:00
Speaker 1: people inside of Starbucks, shouting about October seven being faked.
42:05
Speaker 1: Thousands of antie Israel protesters screaming out things like October
42:10
Speaker 1: seven was a hoax set up by Israel to justify
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Speaker 1: its slaughter. In Gaza, one woman yelled at Shame, saying
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Speaker 1: that you know you're buying your coffee for people who
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Speaker 1: support genocide. James, I thought we had anti hate laws
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Speaker 1: in this country. Why don't we use them?
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Speaker 14: Well, you won't stop the deranged attitude of some people
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Speaker 14: in this country. Unfortunately, Steve, and let's face it, they're
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Speaker 14: on the left, so they get away with it. These
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Speaker 14: are the same people that would deny that the Holocaust
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Speaker 14: occurred during World War two and six million Jewish people
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Speaker 14: died there too. You know, they'd tell you that's a
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Speaker 14: hikes as well. These people are deranged and unfortunately a
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Speaker 14: large number of people who were involved in those protests
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Speaker 14: over the weekend just naives they don't understand what is
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Speaker 14: truly going on in that part of the Middle East,
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Speaker 14: and I think shame on a lot of these people.
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Speaker 14: If you lie with dogs, you get fleas, and that's
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Speaker 14: what a lot of these people have got as a
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Speaker 14: result of these deranged idiots.
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Speaker 1: On the weekend, Paul should federal government, Anthony Albanezi, Penny Wong,
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter who be urging their state counterparts to do
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Speaker 1: more to clean up this stuff, because I mean you can't.
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Speaker 1: In Melbourne, there's been one of these protests every Sunday
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Speaker 1: since October seven, twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 15: Steve I was shocked to see in Brisbane that there
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Speaker 15: were terrorist flags being floun a Musk flag being flown
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Speaker 15: during the protest, and this has caused great concern to
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Speaker 15: the queens and Jewish community. I'm very close to our
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Speaker 15: wonderful Queensine Jewish community and they've suffered from an explosion
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Speaker 15: in anti Semitism since the awful events of seven October,
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Speaker 15: and it has just dismayed them to see people on
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Speaker 15: our street it's flying a terrorist flag and I urge
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Speaker 15: the authorities to take all the appropriate action as a
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Speaker 15: matter of urgency. The laws are now out there on
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Speaker 15: the books outlawing the display of terror symbols such as this.
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Speaker 15: The law needs to be enforced and people need to
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Speaker 15: be held accountable. There is no place for this. And
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Speaker 15: as for people talking about seven October as a hoax,
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Speaker 15: that is just absolutely vile. And as James said, it
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Speaker 15: has the resonance of the Holocaust, denies those whakas and
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Speaker 15: crazies who come out and deny the existence of the Holocaust.
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Speaker 15: And again there is no place for this, and it
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Speaker 15: causes so much hurt to people in our Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, well, said Paul. I agree with one hundred
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Speaker 1: percent of what you just said. Then, James, I mean
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Speaker 1: this tobacco excise thing, So the government's going to because
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Speaker 1: that's how the regulation works. The exiles will go up again.
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Speaker 1: I think next month, September one, it'll go up by
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Speaker 1: five percent. Now, this is just crazy. It comes as
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Speaker 1: we know, there's new stats showing but more people are
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Speaker 1: actually smoking, and that's because they're smoking cheap illegal tobacco
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Speaker 1: which is smuggled into the country. Now you've got our cigarettes,
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Speaker 1: legal ones being sold anywhere between twenty five and fifty
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Speaker 1: five dollars a packet. You can buy a packet of
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Speaker 1: these fake or smuggled cigarettes for about six Why would
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Speaker 1: you put up the excise I mean you should be
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Speaker 1: talking about maybe getting rid of the exercise and starting
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Speaker 1: the whole thing again, because the tobacco shop gets fire
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Speaker 1: bombed every night of the week in Melbourne.
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Speaker 14: Well, the Albanzi government don't want to learn from the
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Speaker 14: mistakes of previous governments. Remember when the Coalition were in
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Speaker 14: for almost a bit over nine years, they put up
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Speaker 14: excise eighteen times during that time, and again the Albanzi
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Speaker 14: government by the time they finished this term will have
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Speaker 14: put it up another twelve time times. It's a never ending,
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Speaker 14: perpetual increase that happens twice a year, not just on
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Speaker 14: cigarettes but alcohol on fuel as well. And all this
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Speaker 14: is doing is fueling the illegal market. So is it
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Speaker 14: any wonder why people are turning to cheap cigarettes that
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Speaker 14: it doesn't matter where you go. I can buy them
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Speaker 14: in your pun or I can buy them in Canberra
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Speaker 14: here cheap knockoff. Actually they're the same brands, they're just different,
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Speaker 14: they're labeled different. They're smuggled in because why or we
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Speaker 14: only check about one in every one hundred if you're lucky,
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Speaker 14: shipping containers that come into the country. That's why we're
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Speaker 14: getting all this illegal product into the country and Not
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Speaker 14: only are we losing genuine, excise revenue that would have
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Speaker 14: been collected on the cigarettes, but we're now forcing the
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Speaker 14: responsibility to police this on the state governments, which comes
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Speaker 14: at an added cost.
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Speaker 3: It's ludicrous.
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Speaker 14: And you know what, smokers, I don't blame you going
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Speaker 14: looking for the cheaper cigarettes. They've pushed us over the tipping.
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Speaker 1: Gay everybody's everybody's doing it and pulled these stats on
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Speaker 1: nicotine were in the wastewater. I mean, it also shows
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Speaker 1: that nicotine based vapes are still being sold. Didn't I
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Speaker 1: see Mark Butler come out and tell me that he
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Speaker 1: was going to get rid of all vapes. They're illegal,
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Speaker 1: You couldn't sell them, and the only place you could
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Speaker 1: get one was from a chemist shop with a doctor's prescription.
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Speaker 3: What happened to that? Well?
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Speaker 15: And I remember when that legislation was brought in Steve
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Speaker 15: and I spoke against it on the obvious argument that
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Speaker 15: the pharmacies didn't actually want that burden in terms of
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Speaker 15: selling the vapes and having you go through all the
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Speaker 15: rigmarole of checking whether or not someone out a prescription,
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Speaker 15: et cetera, et cetera. And I think there has been
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Speaker 15: an explosion in illegal tobacco imports. I think the figures
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Speaker 15: are just astonishing. Were up to six billion dollars or
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Speaker 15: something a year in terms of illegal tobacco imports. There's
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Speaker 15: been fire bombing of shops in Queensland as well as
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Speaker 15: in Melbourne. You referred to Melbourne and the other point, Steve,
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Speaker 15: I want to make him relation to this. This has
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Speaker 15: had a huge impact in relation to legitimate Australian businesses.
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Speaker 15: So I'll speaking to someone who has a franchise of
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Speaker 15: two convenience stores and he described to me the impact
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Speaker 15: of this illegal tobacco margaret on his business, the impact
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Speaker 15: on his revenue in terms of losing legal tobacco sales.
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Speaker 15: So it's having a huge impact on people who are
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Speaker 15: doing the right thing as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, James Paul, thank you very much for that.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you making time for us tonight. I mean,
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Speaker 1: on that point, by the way, I mean the vaping shops,
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Speaker 1: they're just fragrantly ignoring the law and just selling these
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Speaker 1: vapes as they wish, and there is illegal tobacco under
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Speaker 1: the counter in most of them. I mean, it's just
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Speaker 1: a mess. The whole policy is a complete mess. Thanks
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Speaker 1: for watching James McPherson's up in for bolt Tonight