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Geoff Schwartz on the Morgan Scalley era beginning at Utah, How he should build his staff + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Welcome in Jeff.
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  Speaker 3: Schwartz, football expert here on the Sean O'Connell Show, who
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  Speaker 2: Jeff, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm good.
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  Speaker 5: We have made development that's been positive. When I say
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  Speaker 5: I'm going on with Seawan now, my wife no longer
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  Speaker 5: asks who.
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  Speaker 3: So after eight years, eight years of friendship.
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  Speaker 5: So she I said, going with Sean. She's downstands. Go
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  Speaker 5: on with Seawan and she didn't say who. She's ignored me.
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  Speaker 5: She why not actually know still but she she she
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  Speaker 5: she didn't say who today. So I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe getting us those nice tickets to the to the
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  Speaker 5: PFL event changed her changed her mind on you.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I've been meaning to tell you.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, the schedule that I was setting for next year
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  Speaker 3: has a Charlotte date on it.
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  Speaker 2: So does it again?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? We we we will.
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  Speaker 5: We'll get like a babysitter that look, we'll stay overnight
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  Speaker 5: or something. We'll we'll.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, that was a ton of fun. What is it?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's in the summer. I'll look it up
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  Speaker 2: while we're talking.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, great.
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  Speaker 5: Uh we are in at bo Jangles again, same place,
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  Speaker 5: I believe. So are you like are you going like
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  Speaker 5: the big boy Jim? Like the Time Warner of the
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  Speaker 5: Spectrum Center? But uh, I'm all in again for that.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll tell you what I'm I'm you can say
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  Speaker 5: you were right, which you said last week to me.
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  Speaker 5: I think I'm okay to take that again if you
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  Speaker 5: would like to say that again. While I've worked to
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  Speaker 5: hear you, I can't.
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  Speaker 3: Tell you how many times I have cringed and like
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  Speaker 3: gritted my teeth over the fact that I'm just like, Gosh, Jeff,
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  Speaker 3: because you're right the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: You're right about too many things. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 3: But the head coach and waiting thing has made this
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  Speaker 3: a complicated situation for Utah, and in a way that
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  Speaker 3: now it became complicated for Morgan Scalley himself. Now I
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  Speaker 3: will go on record as many times as I need
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  Speaker 3: to to say I think Morgan's gonna be fine. I
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  Speaker 3: think he's gonna be a great coach at the University
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  Speaker 3: of Utah. But the transition is now going to be
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  Speaker 3: more difficult. And that is because of how it went down,
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  Speaker 3: because of how these last couple of years of people waiting.
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  Speaker 3: And you heard Kyle Whittingham admitt like, I did it
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  Speaker 3: wrong when people started asking me about my age and
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  Speaker 3: retirement at Utah. I was answering the question instead of
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  Speaker 3: just saying, like, none of your business. And so it
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  Speaker 3: created these false timelines that put us in the situation
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  Speaker 3: where and now.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, I will reiterate, you were right.
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  Speaker 6: Do you do you think he He told the Utah
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  Speaker 6: harlan whoever it was, that he wanted to keep coaching
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  Speaker 6: or do you think they just assumed he didn't and
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  Speaker 6: then sort of asked him.
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  Speaker 5: A step aside, like do you think he went to him?
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  Speaker 5: I still I still feel like coaching, and they're like, no, not,
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  Speaker 5: you're you're done here.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And it wasn't quite as simple as that from
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  Speaker 3: everything that I've heard, but that when he said I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to keep coaching, there was some discomfort and how
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  Speaker 3: long he said he wanted to keep coaching, and how
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  Speaker 3: much money he said he wanted in order to keep coaching,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it just, you know, it became untenable,
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  Speaker 3: but thankfully not not angry, thankfully not ugly between the parties.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was just like, you know, those discussions
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  Speaker 3: led to a point where they both realized that the
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  Speaker 3: time to move on was now, and Kyle Whittingham that
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  Speaker 3: was a lot easier to swallow and to accept because
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  Speaker 3: his agent had reached out to Michigan. That's That's what
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  Speaker 3: I have put together in my own tiny world timeline.
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  Speaker 5: So when when he decided to step away, he was
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  Speaker 5: already at least in exploratory talks with Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: I believe, Yes, Okay, I mean.
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  Speaker 5: That's that's look I think that every coach had exploratory
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  Speaker 5: talks every year with teams, right, like that exploratory can
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  Speaker 5: be a wide range of things, right, I think that's
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  Speaker 5: the agent's job and then the coach's job at least
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  Speaker 5: like thick about that and and think about what. I
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  Speaker 5: just can't believe how lucky Michigan got here, like like
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  Speaker 5: like to have that scandal that you had ended up
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  Speaker 5: with Kyle Whittingham. I still think he can coach. I
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  Speaker 5: think we all agree on that. I understand you know, look,
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  Speaker 5: I understand that that it was time for Morgan Scalley,
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  Speaker 5: and certainly that's a fair discussion to have. And Utah
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  Speaker 5: fans get pretty upset with me when I sort of
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  Speaker 5: talk about how I think that you know, if Kyle
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  Speaker 5: Woodheam wanted to stay, he stays. But look, I mean
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  Speaker 5: that's that's the way it went down to Michigan just
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  Speaker 5: got it was weird thing that vide of him in
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  Speaker 5: the Michigan closed for the first time, But you know,
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  Speaker 5: they got a fantastic coach. Why do you think Utah
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  Speaker 5: fans like on the internet, man, some are just like
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  Speaker 5: very angry about like no, no longer it's a statue.
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  Speaker 5: What do you mean nor it's statue. He's like the
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  Speaker 5: best goats you've ever had? What do you mean no longer?
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  Speaker 5: It's all that stuff is still still happened. It doesn't
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  Speaker 5: go away. As he went to Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: People are having a hard time right now because Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Whittingham for two plus years, he's been saying I want
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  Speaker 3: to leave the program in a good place. And we
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  Speaker 3: believe everything that Kyle Whittingham says. We take his statements
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  Speaker 3: at face value because that's kind of what you've needed
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  Speaker 3: to do for as long as most of us have
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  Speaker 3: known him. And they don't feel like I want to
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  Speaker 3: leave the program in a good place can coexist with
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  Speaker 3: I'm also taking Jason Beck and probably some players, and
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  Speaker 3: probably Jim Harding and probably Lewis Powell. Like people have
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  Speaker 3: a hard time allowing those two things to exist in
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  Speaker 3: the same world where he doesn't necessarily have to have
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  Speaker 3: ill intentions for Utah while trying to set himself up
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  Speaker 3: for success at one of the highest demand jobs in
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  Speaker 3: the business.
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  Speaker 5: So do you think that like Morgan Scalley was gonna
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  Speaker 5: keep the entire staff, it was gonna roll back to
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  Speaker 5: what it was, or was there gonna be any sort
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  Speaker 5: of adjustment to the staff, like was he just taking
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  Speaker 5: over this is this is the this is the coach
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  Speaker 5: or anything that I just I don't like personally because
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  Speaker 5: I feel like when you're a head coach you need
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  Speaker 5: to have your own things you it's your own like
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  Speaker 5: job now and just keeping the same staff but trying
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  Speaker 5: to be sort of the old coach but you have
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  Speaker 5: to be a new coach like that, I think just
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  Speaker 5: really hard to needle the thread. I don't I don't
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  Speaker 5: think it's terribly a bad thing for Morgan s guy
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  Speaker 5: to find his new offensive coordinator Like that feels like
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  Speaker 5: something that would be good for him. It's his job.
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  Speaker 5: Now find your OC that's gonna fit what you need
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  Speaker 5: to do now. Jim Hardy is a big loss. Is
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  Speaker 5: such a good coach, So the the the Jordan Gross stuff,
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  Speaker 5: like he's gonna he might actually coach, Like that's the
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  Speaker 5: real thing I was.
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  Speaker 3: I've been told by a very good authority that if
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  Speaker 3: Morgan calls him and says we want you to do this,
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  Speaker 3: he's in awesome.
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  Speaker 5: I probably text him be like, Yo, you need to
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  Speaker 5: assistant offensive line coach who works from Charlotte.
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  Speaker 4: I'm in.
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  Speaker 3: Working remote as a football coach would be the funniest
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  Speaker 3: thing ever. If what working remote as a football coach
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  Speaker 3: would be the funniest thing ever. I mean, it is possible,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, because they've had those like they have
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  Speaker 3: those little robots where you can put an iPad on
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  Speaker 3: it and it's a camera, like it's happened when guys
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  Speaker 3: have been in.
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  Speaker 2: The hospital and stuff like that. So maybe you could
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  Speaker 2: be the first one to do it full time.
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  Speaker 5: Just like I'm only going to work four hours a
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  Speaker 5: day watching film of the opponents. Look, it's kind of
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  Speaker 5: funny though, all Like a lot of my friends are
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  Speaker 5: becoming coaches now, you know, like you and his kids.
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  Speaker 5: I think Jordan's kids are older now, so the hours
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  Speaker 5: make more sense, right like that, you know part of it.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of guys just don't want to do because
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  Speaker 5: the hours are really difficult. But if the hour kids
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  Speaker 5: are no older now, maybe it makes more sense for
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  Speaker 5: him to be the offensive line coach. He texts me
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  Speaker 5: before playoff game two years ago and asked me to
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  Speaker 5: draw up places for him. They were facing a defense
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  Speaker 5: that he needs need to do some more eyeballs on,
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  Speaker 5: and I drew up place where he's like my kids
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  Speaker 5: can't run this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I drew up like a bunch of like sort of
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  Speaker 5: like fancy stuff because he said, the linebackers that were
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  Speaker 5: playing were really, really good and we can't block them.
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  Speaker 5: So how do I like design run plays to avoid
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  Speaker 5: having to block their linebacker? So I drew up a
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  Speaker 5: bunch of stuff, like a bunch of had eye violations
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  Speaker 5: and moving parts just to like get linebackers seeing the
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  Speaker 5: wrong things. He's like, yeah, we just can't do this.
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  Speaker 5: So that was very funny. But Jordan's awesome. He's my mentor. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I hope he gets the opportunity to be a coach.
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  Speaker 5: If that's what he wants, he'd be excellent at it.
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  Speaker 3: When you committed to play for Oregon, Yeah, what were
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  Speaker 3: you committing to most? Like your position, coach, the guy
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  Speaker 3: that recruited you, the school itself, the scheme that you
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  Speaker 3: were going to be playing in. What was the what
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  Speaker 3: was the thing that you were most committed to.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was the the program, like the whole thing.
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  Speaker 5: I don't remember specifically committing from Mike Blotty. I remember
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  Speaker 5: committing because I liked everything about the program, and that
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  Speaker 5: obviously has something to do with Mike Blotty, right, But
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  Speaker 5: I like my offensive line coach. I like the family,
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  Speaker 5: the real family vibe organ had. It just felt like
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  Speaker 5: a very like comfortable place to be and you know
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  Speaker 5: the that's that's why I did it. I've seen this
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  Speaker 5: for a while, man, I don't think players are committing
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  Speaker 5: for other reasons besides the same stuff I committed for. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: there's money evolved now, and some of it is really important,
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  Speaker 5: some of it's not. Some guys are not making a
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  Speaker 5: ton of money. They're going to commit to places for
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  Speaker 5: the same reasons that I committed in two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 5: And I know when you're you know, I know really
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  Speaker 5: what you're asking about. And I feel like you know
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  Speaker 5: when you when you really do commit, it's about the program, man,
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  Speaker 5: And it's about you know, if morganscy could keep that
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  Speaker 5: program going. And this again, this is the hard to me.
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  Speaker 5: It's the hardest part because you want to keep the
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  Speaker 5: foundation because the foundation has worked. But then the foundation
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  Speaker 5: work because it's Kyle Whitningham's foundation or the school's foundation,
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  Speaker 5: like what it And and that's the thing that makes
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  Speaker 5: it difficult, right, is that warrens Kelly has to have
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  Speaker 5: his own personality, but he also probably wants to keep
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  Speaker 5: what's been working and keep the players there and keep
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  Speaker 5: all the things that have been so good for so
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  Speaker 5: many years. And that's a hard thing to do when
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  Speaker 5: now it's your program.
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  Speaker 3: It's really interesting because Morgan at the media availability today
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  Speaker 3: he said, look, I want to be myself, which alludes
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  Speaker 3: to what you're talking about. You got to find your
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  Speaker 3: own flavor to put on even the good stuff. And
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  Speaker 3: he said the list of people that he doesn't want
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  Speaker 3: to be like are the foundational coaches of what you
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  Speaker 3: taught football is now. All of whom he played for
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  Speaker 3: had some level of relationship with Ron McBride is the
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  Speaker 3: guy that laid the foundation Urban Meyer had his two
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  Speaker 3: years Morgan Scalley was a captain on those teams. Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Whittingham was the coordinator on those teams, and obviously Morgan
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  Speaker 3: built his entire coaching career under Kyle Whittingham. So it's
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  Speaker 3: like it's not like he's just replacing Kyle and he
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  Speaker 3: only has Kyle's influence to draw from. He has direct
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  Speaker 3: personal experience in relationships with everyone responsible for Utah Football's
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  Speaker 3: like glory days.
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  Speaker 4: Does hesn't ask you to hop on linebacker coach.
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  Speaker 2: I think probably not.
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  Speaker 4: I would.
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  Speaker 2: I would definitely.
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  Speaker 3: I would definitely if he was just like, we want
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  Speaker 3: you to be the very specific coach of fullbacks we
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  Speaker 3: don't use in the offense and only run down.
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  Speaker 2: On kickoff, I'd be like, yeah, I'm in.
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  Speaker 1: I can.
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  Speaker 2: I could coach that one guy, no problem.
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  Speaker 5: These staffs are so big, Like Organ lost a bunch
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  Speaker 5: of staff members because you know, for like Toss took
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of guys with mcl and Stein took guys
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  Speaker 5: with him and all the analysts right, I saw some
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  Speaker 5: number were like Oregon has like thirty eight guys on
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  Speaker 5: staff and he took like number thirty to thirty eight.
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  Speaker 5: That the staffs now are so big, dude, it is
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  Speaker 5: crazy how many guys are in the building now.
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  Speaker 3: It really is ten official position coaches, and then you've
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  Speaker 3: got assistant coaches basically for all of them, and then
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  Speaker 3: you've got quality control analysts for all of them.
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  Speaker 2: So you're talking.
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  Speaker 5: About four line coaches organ for a lone coaches the
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  Speaker 5: Organ credit, which is just which is absolutely madness, of course,
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  Speaker 5: but ipe, I hope Morgan does well. You know you
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  Speaker 5: vouched for him. I don't come out you took. I
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  Speaker 5: don't care if you vouch for him, but I trust
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  Speaker 5: your opinion on it. You know, I think that the
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  Speaker 5: tweet you put out like the seem to pissed people off.
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  Speaker 5: If Witt wants to keep the job, it's his job
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  Speaker 5: to keep, and I agree with that sentiment. Obviously you
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  Speaker 5: todd it either. This just the way it went down
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  Speaker 5: just puts so much pressure on Morgan Scalley, way more
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  Speaker 5: than he needed to have. I think a pressure on
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  Speaker 5: Mark Carlan obviously. Right If Kylwin is gonna win at Utah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean in Michigan right now, the degrees, I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: but if he wins at Utah doesn't, it's gonna make
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  Speaker 5: things a lot very awkward for Morgan Scalley.
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  Speaker 3: How many players do you think Kyle Whittingham wants from
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  Speaker 3: the Utah roster to go to Michigan because Michigan is
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  Speaker 3: in a different realm recruiting wise and athleticism wise. But
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  Speaker 3: also like Kyle Whittingham's calling card is he finds guys
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  Speaker 3: and maximizes what they are now starting with better raw
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  Speaker 3: talent at Michigan I think is going to beautiful for
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  Speaker 3: him but there are guys on this Utah roster that
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  Speaker 3: I think can play and even start at Michigan. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if Kyle is interested in taking them, and
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  Speaker 3: that is now the new fear I think for most people.
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  Speaker 3: John Henry Daley all American defensive end. He announced his
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  Speaker 3: intentions to be in the transfer portal when it opens
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  Speaker 3: on Friday. That's a guy I can see being a
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  Speaker 3: Big ten defensive end. But how many players do you
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  Speaker 3: think Utah needs to worry about losing, specifically too many?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 5: I heard his I heard his comment about that, saying like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to tamper with players, and I think
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  Speaker 5: he's honest about that. There's ways other ways to tamper
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  Speaker 5: with players, right, So I imagine he has an idea
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  Speaker 5: of who he wants. I mean, look, I think that
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  Speaker 5: you know he's Look, I know coaches say things like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you know, I'm not really like a spiteful person,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm not a like of course he is. He's
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  Speaker 5: a competitive person. Like he's trying to everyone he can,
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  Speaker 5: like anyone he that's not tied down, that he thinks
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  Speaker 5: is good enough to come with them. I imagine he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna try to get those guys to come with them. Now,
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  Speaker 5: I obviously he has Underwood, So I don't think he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna go and try to get Damn Pierre, right, but
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  Speaker 5: I would imagine that, you know, if if if if
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  Speaker 5: Spencer Funo was not going to the NFL, I would
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  Speaker 5: imagine he'd ask him to come with them, right. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you have to I think you have to worry about
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  Speaker 5: some of the recruiters that that tackle that Utah signed, right,
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  Speaker 5: and making sure that he commits and stays there. But
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  Speaker 5: the resources you mentioned, like, they're just much different in Michigan,
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  Speaker 5: and so he can probably give guys more money and
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  Speaker 5: you can point to, you know, maybe more NFL players
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  Speaker 5: and success he you know, he hasn't had that sens
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  Speaker 5: in Michigan, but you point to you know, the playoff
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  Speaker 5: wins and the overall program history, and a lot of
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  Speaker 5: guys probably are gonna be excited to come there if
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  Speaker 5: they if he wants them to come. But I don't
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  Speaker 5: I don't have that number, if I don't know who
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  Speaker 5: that's going to be. But look, you know that the
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  Speaker 5: quarterback at least is not one of those guys because
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  Speaker 5: he has Brins Underwood. I don't think everyone's gonna go anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: So that's fascinating to me too, because the one thing
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  Speaker 5: that I've said about, you know, coach witting him over
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  Speaker 5: the years is just the lack of sort of offensive
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  Speaker 5: development with skill guys and with quarterback play. Now, Rising
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  Speaker 5: was good, but got hurt a bunch. Bryce Underwood in
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: Whittingham feel like an odd fit, just what And so
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: I'm just very curious to see how that pans out
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: for him. I know we're talking Michigan football, but not Utah.
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: I'm just that to me is like the most curious thing.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't know how that's gonna work for
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: for either party. Jeff Schwartz for.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Another couple of minutes here on the Sean O'Connell show,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: talking all things college football, a focus right now on
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Utah and the departure of college Whittingham to Michigan. Morgan
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Scalley's got to backfill an offensive coordinator position, which, let's
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: be honest, was not the sexiest thing and the sexiest
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: available job in any cycle because of the Kyle Whittingham reputation.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: As he's trying to find who his offensive coordinator is
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: going to be, does do you think Morgan has to
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: overcome some of that still, because there's this expectation that, yes,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: it's his program now, but there's gonna be a lot
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: of similarities to the old regime, and that old regime
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: was one that a lot of offensive coordinators it wouldn't
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: be their first choice.
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  Speaker 5: But doesn't what happened this year with hiring back change
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: that idea, because look, I mean, that wasn't outside the
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: box hire for this program, right, they went and got
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: someone that typically doesn't fit what they've done in the past.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: It does feel like that would entice other coaches to
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: want to to come bdoc in Utah.
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  Speaker 2: I think it does change the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think that you know, Beck, by the way, was
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: a guy that Morgan helped pick, so I think he's
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: got a great eye for all that stuff.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: And I think that Beck probably.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't have ended up at Utah it wasn't for Morgan's
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: status as the head coach in waiting, which is one
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: way that that worked out well for the youths. And
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: now the expectation obviously is that Beck will be at Michigan.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: So it only worked out for the one season. But
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: it's just really fascinating. Jay Hill is likely to go
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: from BYU, and he's been instrumental in BYU's success since
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: joining them after being the head coach at Weaver State,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: joining the Kuges as the defensive coordinator. He's been really,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: really good in that role and is expected to take
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: the same role with Kyle Whittingham at Michigan. Is BYU
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: in a good enough place now you think as a
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: team that they'll have kind of their pick of the
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: litter when it comes to the coordinators.
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  Speaker 4: Probably.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look, a lot of it comes down to money,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: and you know what you can offer the coach and
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: the upper mobile. But I have to think that that
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: BYU is a spot where you certainly would get a
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: coach that you wanted right within a certain caliber. The money,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: the players are there, the vibes are there. Yeah, I
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: think that anyone they want does the coach stuff. This
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: doesn't have to be Mormon too, or just a head coach.
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  Speaker 3: I actually we just I just learned this today. We
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: had a BYU inside n and he said, yeah, the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: coordinators you kind of have to be. I don't know
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: that it's official policy like it is with the head coaches,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: but his opinion and he works for b YU TV
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: BYU Sports Nation. He knows all there is to know.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, you have a hard time elevated
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: because I asked him about Gary Anderson, who was a
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: coordinator at Utah and he's got head coaching experience, et cetera.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: And if he doesn't follow Kyle to Michigan, would he
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: be a candidate. He and Klonie have worked together a
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: lot in the past and he's on the staff right
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: now as an analyst. And his answer was, I don't
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: think you can elevate Gary Anderson because he's not He's not,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: you know, a card carrying member, so to speak.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: I appreciated coach Tatakie down in that pop tart look.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I like that that they took like full, like full
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: you know, ownership of that Bowl game. I my team
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: is playing a big, big twelve team on two days
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: and Buddy, the Big twelve fans, wow, it is aggressive
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: on social media, it's aggressive.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: How do you think that game is gonna go?
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Oregon Texas Tech in the Orange Bowl that's coming.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Up on New Year's Day at noon?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: It is, of course the big twelves hope that Texas
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Tech can advance from a game like that, they are
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the only team in the playoff. I think that's the
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: top five offense at a top five scoring defense in
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: the country.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Are they good enough to beat Oregon in advance?
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Blowout Texas Tech's gonna win? You know, that's what their
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: fans would like you to believe. I mean, look, so
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: I am holistically. I think we have to view the
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: cultural regular season and the stats that come along with
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: it a little bit differently for certain programs. You know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: I've we've done shows together for ever, and you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I like using like the you know, the the sp
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: plus numbers, right and the bill calling numbers.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: And the issue I have this year.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Is there are there are teams that spent the regular
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: season solely preparing to play on January first, Right, So
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Oregon was one of those teams, Ohio State, Indiana, Notre Dame,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: and to some extent, I mean they didn't get in obviously,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Ohio State, Georgia. So like what they did in the
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: regular season was to get ready to play in this game.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: And Oregon talked about that, like they they changed their
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: entire program philosophy, preparation schedule because of what happened in
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: the Ohio Stay game last year where they felt like
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: they peaked in the regular season and weren't ready to
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: play their best football on January first. So how much
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: do the overall numbers matter in a game like this
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: when you've been preparing all year to play this game?
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: If that makes sense right now, you don't dismiss everything
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: and say, oh, it doesn't matter of matter, but like
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: the idea that like Oregon has prepared for this game
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: for a year essentially, like they have wanted to play
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: this game for a year now, and they're healthy finally
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: a wide receiver, and you know there were times this
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: year when like they played in bad weather when you
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: know they just sort of just like decided to sort
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: of work on one thing in a given game and
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: not do something else, and just like they tried to
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: use different moments for different things. And I think that
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: matters because Teak has not been here before, and we
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: saw last season the teams that kind of had not
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: been there before really struggled in this round and or
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: it was one of them, and there is I think
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a mentality. And again I'm not
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: really saying this is how every team deals with it,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: but there's a little bit I think this human nature
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: to be happy you're there right when you're there the
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: first time, you're just happy to be there now. It
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: doesn't mean you practicingly less preparing or less, but there
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: is a there's a just a human nature to be like, man,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: how cool is this? Like we're here versus Oregon is like, no,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: this is business, like this is like we did this
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: last year, we sucked out it, like we're gonna be
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: better at this year. I think that really matters for
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: this game, because Oregon has prepped for this moment. No,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: they might lose, that's certainly possible, but I think they're
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: better in a lot of positions. They are, I think,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: just sort of holistically better on both sides of the ball.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: The defensive ends for Texas Tech are incredible. The d
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: tackles are fine, the linebackers are amazing. But other than that,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: on defense, the secondary is not great. You can attack
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: that secondary if you can hold up and you can
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: block what you have to do. David Bailey and height
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: are incredible. And then you know Texas Tech offensively that
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: they're not great the red zone. You know they're very
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: hit or missed, like they have a ton of exposive
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: plays and a ton of like zero yard plays. Right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: they're sort of in the middle, and that doesn't feel great.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: And the one thing ORGAN strungs with on defense is
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: it's a mobile quarterback, which, by the way, everyone does
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: not just an organ problem everyone. So I was with
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: with mobile quarterbacks. But but their quarterback has a broken leg.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: You can't move, and so I think that favors knowing
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: where the quarterback is in the pocket is.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Such a huge benefit to any defense.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: That can rush the pass or so long story short,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: I think we're we're positioned well to play well in
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: this game. Uh can't can't force you know, can't let
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: them turn you over. Right, you know that that they're
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: number of the country, that which leads to their their
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: offense having the number one field position, even like even
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: they're in their like in their good games. I think
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: about your game, right, it was super close for a while.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: They sort of broke that out late the b YU games, Like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: we're kind of closed for a while until the very
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: end when like again, the defense overwhelmed the opponent. Organ
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: is not overwhelmed by by Texas like they've played and
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: they haven't played this defense exactly. But they've played Iowa,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: they played you know, in Indiana, like they play off
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: the defense that are close to the caliber of Texas Tech.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Texta has not played a top thirty five passing offense
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: this season. So I think we're better prepared for this moment.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: I think we'll win. Second, just throw numbers at me, like,
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: I just don't. I don't care. I don't care. Like
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: when you get to this point of the year, it's
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: not really about numbers, man, It's it's just not It's
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: about talent, coaching, situation, all those things thinks matter a
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: lot more to me than like the raw numbers, almost
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: the EPA and this and that. I don't really care
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: at this at this time of the year.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: So you expect Oregon to advance.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: I do expect this two events. Yes, what do you
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: think you watch Texastacond may Moore than I did this season?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I mean I think that you make good points about
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: the having been there before, because it's hard not to
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: have the big eyes and be like, yep, this is it,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: this is what we worked for, We've accomplished this. Oregon
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: certainly doesn't feel that way because of what happened to him.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Last year.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: So I think that's the task in front of Joey
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: McGuire and his coaching staff to be like, hey, this
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: ain't it. You haven't actually accomplished anything, which of course
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: isn't true because they have.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: But we'll see.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that matchup, I think as much
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: as I am any other of these playoff games that
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: we've had in the early goings. So we'll talk about
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: it next week when you join me next Tuesday, And
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: if if Oregon loses, then we'll uh pretend that's.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: What I will pretend that's what I picked.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: I'll probably just like I'll probably just like just just
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: just not be here one one last thing. I have
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: no meaning to go to, so you can we can
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: wait one more minute here. The thing that frustrated me
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: most about this whole lead up is tex Tex fans
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: are like, we played Utah's offense, it's a saint, We're
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: ready for Oregon. I'm like, it's please stop, it's not
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: the same thing. You gotta stop, Like.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: See, what why'd you do that?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: You just you just unnecessarily just took a shot at Utah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: pretending like Utah is not as good as Oregon.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: It's not the same offense. You talk run the ball.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, our offensive line was much better than Oregon.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: It was, but the quarterback plays not the same thing,
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: and that kind of matters.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Tell me that when when Devin Dampier is starting at
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Michigan next year, Buddy.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, you don't think's going to get that job?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: You think I do.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Actually, Kyle Whittingham seems pretty impressed by him. But yeah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I think one of the big questions for Friday, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I'll be doing the show on Friday, is where's Devin
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: dan Pierre gonna be because he's been very careful not
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: to say that he's coming back to Utah, but very
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: careful not to say that he has other plans either.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: I like Utah to cover that game, By the way,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I mean I did a lot with Kylewddingham as a coach.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think I still like them now. I
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: think Nebraska's just sort of like, sort of dead.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what we're hoping for.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I want to I want to see Morgan win his
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: first game as the head coach.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: All right, buddy, I'll see you in Charlotte a year.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Looking forward to it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: In seven months. Actually, it's supposed to be in July.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: July a big month for me, like when when when when?
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: When July.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to release dates until the company releases them.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: So I just text me all right, all right, bye, buddy,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: See that's Jeff Schwartz, longtime NFL veteran former Oregon Duck
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: who he likes his Ducks to beat Texas Tech in
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the Orange Bowl.