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New clues in the search for kidnapped NC teen Hania Aguilar · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: We're not going to stop in this In this case.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, the FBI releasing brand new photos
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Speaker 1: of a North Carolina girl who was kidnapped just outside
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Speaker 1: her own at about seven a m. The mother along
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Speaker 1: with the f FBI begging for your help. Where is
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Speaker 1: Hanya Imancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. You were hearing audio of the FBI
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Speaker 1: pointing you, directing you, and you can see it at
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Speaker 1: crime online dot com. Video of a mail walking along.
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Speaker 1: Is this the person who took this beautiful little girl
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Speaker 1: from straight outside her home with me? Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, Professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Dr Brian Russell psychologist, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke, All, it's so hard for me to imagine
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Speaker 1: that at seven o'clock in the morning. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: rushing around trying to get the children out the door,
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Speaker 1: trying to make sure they have been fed and they've
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Speaker 1: got all their a kuchuma together. Uh, that someone is
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Speaker 1: actually waiting for them, waiting to take them. Because there
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Speaker 1: is no doubt in my mind, Alan Duke, that this
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Speaker 1: little girl was targeted. She goes right outside her door
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Speaker 1: and she's getting into her auntie's car and bam, she's gone. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: This reminds me of when I was a kid. I
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Speaker 1: used to like to go and crank the car on
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Speaker 1: the cold days in Georgia to get it ready to
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Speaker 1: go to school. It was sort of my pre prelude
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Speaker 1: to learning how to drive. And to think that this
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Speaker 1: girl went out there to do that and she was kidnapped.
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Speaker 1: You know, guys, we're talking about the disappearance of a
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Speaker 1: beautiful little girl. It's a girl that just turned thirteen,
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Speaker 1: Hanya Aglar, and we're looking for a green vehicle. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this day five in the search for
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Speaker 1: Hanya Aguilar still coming up empty. But tonight, new surveillance
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Speaker 1: video of a man walking towards Rosewood Mobile home Park
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Speaker 1: who could help investigators crack this case. Someone knows this
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Speaker 1: man and we need you to call us with information.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you recognize the way he walks, his mannerisms, or
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Speaker 1: maybe he'll recognize himself on TV, Hanya's mother originally set
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Speaker 1: to speak during an afternoon press conference. To exhausted to talk,
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Speaker 1: she penned this letter to the community instead. You provided help,
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Speaker 1: you can continue to provide help. We need your help.
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Speaker 1: We need Hanya to come home. Those are the words
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Speaker 1: of a mother desperate to get her child back. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing from w t V d t V Durham reporter
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Speaker 1: Morgan Norwood. You were also hearing what the FBI agent
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Speaker 1: Andy Dell Rocca is telling us a message from Hanya's mother.
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Speaker 1: This is very very important to me to Dr Brian
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Speaker 1: Russell what we just heard, because so often, like if
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Speaker 1: you think of um, the case of Jamie Class who's
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Speaker 1: missing right now, both of her parents shot dead and
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Speaker 1: she's missing from the home. A lot of people are speculating, Oh,
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Speaker 1: was she part of it? Did she or help orchestrate this? No,
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Speaker 1: I don't think she did. But in this case, we
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Speaker 1: have a witness, Dr Brian Russell, a witness that sees
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Speaker 1: this little girl just turned thirteen. You know what, that
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Speaker 1: is just a little older than my daughter and son,
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Speaker 1: saw her being forced into the car. She didn't have
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Speaker 1: anything to do with this. This is not somebody that
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Speaker 1: she knows. A man in a yellow bandanna. What does
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Speaker 1: this mean to you? Dr Russell. One of the things
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Speaker 1: that we see in these cases sometimes Nancy, is that
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Speaker 1: the perpetrator actually did have some prior contact with the victim,
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Speaker 1: for example, on social media media. And that does not
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Speaker 1: mean that the victim necessarily was a willing participant or
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Speaker 1: certainly not an enthusiastic participant in running off with the perpetrator,
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Speaker 1: but there has been some prior contact. And so when
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Speaker 1: you listen to this mother, one of the things that
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Speaker 1: I notice is that she makes this comment where she says,
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Speaker 1: I don't have anything against the person who took you,
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Speaker 1: And it just makes me wonder. I may be totally
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Speaker 1: all wet on this, but it makes me wonder if
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Speaker 1: she's not considering the possibility that there had been some
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Speaker 1: kind of prior contact. Maybe the guy wanted the girl
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Speaker 1: to run off, she wouldn't go, so he decided he
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Speaker 1: was goinging to force it, and the mom isn't sure
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Speaker 1: the extent to which the girl is upset about it,
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Speaker 1: So she's trying to sort of telegraph a message that,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you decide that this was a horrible
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Speaker 1: idea and you come back, I'm not going to, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, go all out on this guy necessarily. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course she will and should if they as as
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Speaker 1: soon as they find them. Well, I've got a question
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Speaker 1: for you, Dr Brian. Do you have any evidence at
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Speaker 1: all to suggest that that is the scenario. I do not. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about what we know, and it may be true.
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Speaker 1: What Dr Brian is saying may be true. This may
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Speaker 1: be someone in her neighborhood, someone that saw her at
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Speaker 1: a school ball game, someone that has approached her before
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Speaker 1: and she just rebuffed or walked away from. Right now,
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Speaker 1: we don't know. But what we do know is this
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Speaker 1: guy last seen had on a yellow bandanna. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, listen to Lumberton Police Chief Michael McNeil,
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Speaker 1: a witness song a male stressed in all black and
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Speaker 1: we're in a yell Bandanna approach Miss Hannah Noela Angailor,
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Speaker 1: aged thirteen and forced her into a green two thousand
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Speaker 1: into Ford Expedition, and he discobbed behre Glen's throw away.
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Speaker 1: With Miss Angler in the vehicle, Miss Angler has been
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Speaker 1: waiting on families to come out of the resident to
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Speaker 1: take her to school at the Lamberton Junior High School
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Speaker 1: where she is in the eighth grade. Okay, that's just
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Speaker 1: making me sick to my stomach. Just got Morgan with me.
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Speaker 1: Forensics expert Just Scott. I cannot discount Dr Brian Russell's theory.
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Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, you know, um, John David,
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Speaker 1: my little boy got to be ball boy okay for
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Speaker 1: the George Czech basketball team one night, and of course
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Speaker 1: I was so proud and I went and watched him.
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Speaker 1: Lucy could have been ball girl, but she wanted to
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Speaker 1: go to a dance with her father instead. I'll never
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Speaker 1: understand that the decision. But okay, so long story short,
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Speaker 1: I sat there and watch John David the whole time,
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Speaker 1: and it's only now hitting me. Who may have seen him,
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Speaker 1: who did he talk to, who did he come in
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Speaker 1: contact with because it's just like Dr Brian Russell said,
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Speaker 1: this could have been anybody that she knew or didn't know,
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Speaker 1: or saw, came in contact with at school, uh, at
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Speaker 1: the grocery store. It could be anybody, not necessarily somebody
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Speaker 1: she recognizes or she knows, but someone that had come
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Speaker 1: in contact with her. And that is very scary. There's
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Speaker 1: no way to avoid that. No, there's not. One of
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Speaker 1: the things that we do and investigations, Nancy, as we
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Speaker 1: look for motivations, you know, what's the rationale for somebody
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Speaker 1: moving forward? Now, I can tell you something from my
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Speaker 1: past and my personal history is that I grew up
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Speaker 1: in my early years, was a single mother in a
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Speaker 1: trailer house. And I tell you what we did not
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Speaker 1: have a lot of, and that was money. So many
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Speaker 1: times when we think about kidnapping, uh, you know, in
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Speaker 1: the classic sense, people think, well, folks are being kidnapped
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Speaker 1: in order to hold them for ransom. I can't imagine
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Speaker 1: this family has, you know, oodles of cash that they're
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Speaker 1: that they're prepared to hand over um uh in order
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Speaker 1: to ransom this girl. So what's the motivation for this
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Speaker 1: individual to snatch this little thirteen year old girl? And
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Speaker 1: another thing that's it's quite striking to me is the
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Speaker 1: fact that this individual would be so bold as to
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Speaker 1: do it in her front yard, outside of the trailer
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Speaker 1: while they're waiting for school. Man, you're so right about
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Speaker 1: that that factor so bold to do it in her
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Speaker 1: front yard as she is waiting to go to school.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to it. Lamington Police Chief Michael McNeil
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Speaker 1: tells us it breaks my heart to stand here before
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Speaker 1: you five days later Athahana has been missing and kidnapped
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Speaker 1: and not have her back home yet. I'm telling you, folks,
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Speaker 1: it hurts me now and deep in the heart then
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Speaker 1: know that she's not back home yet. To her mother,
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Speaker 1: in fact, to this community that we are working real hard,
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Speaker 1: real hard with all the law enforce a partners, We've got,
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Speaker 1: all of the community that we have here. They're working
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Speaker 1: hard to bring her home to her family, which is
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Speaker 1: my family. Also, where is Hanya, this little girl who
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Speaker 1: had just turned thirteen and eighth grade real Lumberton Junior
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Speaker 1: High kidnapped by a man dressed in black wearing a
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Speaker 1: yellow bandana while she's standing outside her family's home. It's
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Speaker 1: it's it's overwhelming. How many times have I told the children, run,
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Speaker 1: run around, go get in the minivan. I'll be right
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Speaker 1: there and we'll go. I've got it turned on for you.
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Speaker 1: Any cooke could get in that minivan and take off
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Speaker 1: with them. It's overwhelming. We We also have learned in
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Speaker 1: the last hours the Lumbertons. Lumberton Police Chief Michael McNeil
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Speaker 1: and the FBI say that stolen vehicle was found shortly
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Speaker 1: before a eight a m off Quincy Drive in Lumberton.
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Speaker 1: Now what does that mean? Is he on it with
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Speaker 1: the girl? Are they in a home nearby? Has he
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Speaker 1: gotten into another car and taken her away? The suspect
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Speaker 1: then drove the two thousand into for the expedition, bearing
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Speaker 1: the tag South Carolina tag nor William Sam four out
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Speaker 1: of the neighborhood and was last seen turning left onto
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Speaker 1: the Elizabethtown Road. At this time, the investigators are an
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Speaker 1: interviewing witnesses, family and friends, as well as conducting a
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Speaker 1: door to door canvas in the neighborhood and check in
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Speaker 1: area surveillances to find out in any information with ten
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Speaker 1: that tag was in Nancy W West s South nine
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Speaker 1: eight four. The vehicle has been found nearby, which means
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Speaker 1: he's either in another vehicle or they are somewhere in
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Speaker 1: the area. You know, it seems to me, you're the
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, Joseph Scott Morgan, that they could get some
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Speaker 1: sort of fingerprint or d NA off that car to
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Speaker 1: tell them who the purpose. You know, this is not
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Speaker 1: his first time at the rodeo, No it's not. And
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Speaker 1: that's what was very intriguing to me about this case, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is the fact that he would target a thirteen year
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Speaker 1: old female. We're pretty sure that this is a male
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Speaker 1: has done this, at least from the descriptors of the
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Speaker 1: police are saying. And so if that is the case,
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Speaker 1: I think one one chance I might have with this
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Speaker 1: guy is a DNA profile if he has been registered
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Speaker 1: as a sexual predator, if they can tag that back
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Speaker 1: via the DNA that they can collect within that vehicle. Remember,
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Speaker 1: his hands have been on steering wheel, they've been on
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Speaker 1: the gearshift, they've been on the steering column, everywhere inside
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Speaker 1: of that vehicle. They can harvest something from that location
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Speaker 1: and tied back to a specific name if he is
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Speaker 1: in the registry. So that's very important not to mention
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Speaker 1: the fingerprint evidence as well. And you know, the dr
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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, host off hit series Fatal Vows on Discovery, Psychologist, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: author of Stop Moaning, Start Owning. Dr Brian This is
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Speaker 1: not this guy first time at the rodeo, as we
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Speaker 1: were just saying, you don't go from zero to one
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Speaker 1: twenty mph and one incident. However, his previous incidents maybe
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Speaker 1: other things like a burglary, like a peeping tom. One
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Speaker 1: thing I noticed prosecuting all those years in inner city Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: When you got a guy for peeping tom, okay, that
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Speaker 1: was going that would escalate into burglaries or sex crimes.
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Speaker 1: I'm not had don't have statistics, but every time somebody
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Speaker 1: had a peeping tom, then have several of them, and
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Speaker 1: then it would escalate. Like sex offenses, they can't stop.
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Speaker 1: Another kind of crime that can't stop criminal is burglary.
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Speaker 1: It's just something in your in your DNA. You just
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Speaker 1: burgle Those are three crimes that I know anecdotally. They
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Speaker 1: can't stop themselves and they cannot be rehabbed to stop.
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Speaker 1: So this guy, my point is going back to what
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Speaker 1: just got Morgan just said, may not have a sex
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Speaker 1: offense in his criminal history, but he's got something. It
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Speaker 1: may be a burglary. It may be a peeping tom,
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Speaker 1: but there is something in this guy's history. They could
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Speaker 1: get that fingerprint, they can nap him. What do you think, Well,
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Speaker 1: I think you're making a great point, and I think
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Speaker 1: it actually extends across many of the cases that we've
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Speaker 1: discussed over the years. If you look at mass shootings, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, kidnappings, rapes, almost every case we talk about.
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Speaker 1: When we finally catch the person, we find out that
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Speaker 1: the society has had multiple prior opportunities to have gotten
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Speaker 1: that person away from the law abiding public, and we
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Speaker 1: haven't done it because we're always so concerned about, oh,
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Speaker 1: we want to give a second chance, we want to rehabilitate.
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Speaker 1: We don't want to ruin somebody's life. Uh. You know,
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Speaker 1: we have got to think more as you're thinking that,
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Speaker 1: thank god we caught this person when all they did
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Speaker 1: was be a peeping tom. We caught them on their
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Speaker 1: way to doing something like this, and we need to
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Speaker 1: act more as such instead of going, well, we can
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Speaker 1: maybe rehabilitate, maybe a little probation, a little therapy. That's
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Speaker 1: exactly how you get these higher level offenses. And it's
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Speaker 1: so frustrating because I think about how many times we
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Speaker 1: have actually had a case like this where it did
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Speaker 1: turn out to be the only thing the person had
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Speaker 1: ever done that put them on the society's radar. But
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Speaker 1: I can probably count those on one hand. You're you're right,
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Speaker 1: and we've seen it over and over again. Guys, Please
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Speaker 1: go to crime online dot com look at the video
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Speaker 1: that we have posted. The FBI is not calling the
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Speaker 1: person in the video a person of interest or a suspect.
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Speaker 1: They just want to talk to him find out what,
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Speaker 1: if anything, he knows. They are asking anyone who lives
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Speaker 1: within a mile of Quincy Drive to also check their property,
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Speaker 1: out sheds, outbuildings. You know that better than police, better
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Speaker 1: than the FBI does. Just in the last hours, the
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Speaker 1: FBI has released this surveillance of video showing what appears
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Speaker 1: to be a mail walking in the area where she
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Speaker 1: Hanya was taken. Now, what is this guy doing out
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Speaker 1: walking around all by himself in that very same area.
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Speaker 1: Clearly whoever took her knows the area. That should reduce
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Speaker 1: the number of suspects. We are on the hunt for
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Speaker 1: a little girl taken basically from her front yard. Won't
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Speaker 1: you help us? Alan Duke joining me? Alan, there is
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Speaker 1: a tipline in this case in the search for Hanya
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Speaker 1: Agilaar the search entering now day eight. The FBI wants
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Speaker 1: to talk to the man seen in this surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: You can see it at crime online dot com. Allan,
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Speaker 1: what is the tip line number? Well, there is the
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Speaker 1: FBI tipline at two seven two five eight seven two
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Speaker 1: seven to five eight seven one. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: the reward in the search for Hanja Agilar has been
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Speaker 1: increased listen. In addition to the fifteen thousand dollars reward
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Speaker 1: being offered by the FBI, our governor office today reported
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Speaker 1: that they will give us additional five thousand dollar reward
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Speaker 1: to help find Hanya. We are grateful to everyone for
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Speaker 1: their support and all the prayers that we're having, including
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Speaker 1: the law enforcement come years and praying for them as
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Speaker 1: we prayed to try to get Honya back home to
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Speaker 1: her family. I encourage you all to pray and keep
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Speaker 1: supporting each other and during this difficult time in the
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Speaker 1: Lomington community. Today, the North Carolina Emergency Management Office conducted
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Speaker 1: a ground search with a mile within a mile up
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Speaker 1: where the stolen vehicle was found in the area of
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Speaker 1: Quincy Drive. The groups are specially trained to search for
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Speaker 1: evidence that could have helped us find on you. They
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Speaker 1: checked all the abandoned buildings in the area that they
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Speaker 1: could check. Now we're asking anyone who lives within the
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Speaker 1: mile of Quincy Drive to check your own property, check
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Speaker 1: your out shares, your outbuildings. You know him better than
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Speaker 1: we do and better than the search team does, and
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Speaker 1: call our tip line ATO two seven to five eight
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Speaker 1: seven one if anyone see anything unusual or out of
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Speaker 1: place on their property. You know your property better than
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Speaker 1: we can, and you can spot things that don't belong there.
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Speaker 1: And we're sending this message out to the community, even
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Speaker 1: though we had a search team out the community and
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Speaker 1: know they're the audience. They know they're out she is
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Speaker 1: They know that things that don't belong in their property
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Speaker 1: what should belong on their property? Process the issue the
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Speaker 1: stolen vehicle and hope it may offer us clues in
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Speaker 1: one adult. Police say the five victims were part of
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Speaker 1: an area Girl Scout troop. They were participating in a
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Speaker 1: cleanup event when the incident happened. One victim was airlifted
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Speaker 1: to the hospital and one victim was taken by ambulance.
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Speaker 1: We had a group of Girl Scouts were alongside the
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Speaker 1: highway picking up trash in OH four to oh six.
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Speaker 1: Black f one fifty was traveling North Mountain County Highway
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Speaker 1: P right before the Highway twenty nine overpass, cross over
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Speaker 1: lane of traffic and into the debtch, striking the Girl
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Speaker 1: Scout troop. A vehicle of interest is believed to be
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Speaker 1: a dark colored forward truck, but the heavy front end
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Speaker 1: damage and missing both side of you mirrors. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: from w E A U t V. That's reporter Katarina
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Speaker 1: Vigara describing the deaths of three Girl Scouts and one
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Speaker 1: parent mow down on the side of the street as
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Speaker 1: they were picking up trash as part of their Girls
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Speaker 1: Scout group project. Now we learn the driver who mowed
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Speaker 1: them down was huffing, huffing, getting high when he mowed
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Speaker 1: the girls and the parents dead. I mean it's Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Huffing.
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Speaker 1: What is it? Well, you may remember this, we know
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Speaker 1: now what to me more, Um, at least according to
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Speaker 1: her friend, was doing right before this emergency. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: it involves something. UM, I will admit I was unfamiliar with.
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Speaker 1: I've never heard of a whipper done. I got a
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Speaker 1: little education. I got a little bit of a drug
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Speaker 1: education this morning. Um that she supposedly, according to the friend,
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Speaker 1: at least was inhaling nine for his oxide. And um,
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Speaker 1: that is what the basis of this uh nine one
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Speaker 1: of he was. That was the story by our friend
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Speaker 1: Harvey Levin at t MZ the morning that to me
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Speaker 1: Moore had been huffing using whippets and got high and
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Speaker 1: had some sort of an emergency and nine one one
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Speaker 1: seizure like emergency. What is huffing? It's at the root
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Speaker 1: of the death of three girl scouts and a mob
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Speaker 1: John Limley with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: What happened with the three girl scouts? John? Well, it
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Speaker 1: was late Saturday morning. Two small groups of girl scouts
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Speaker 1: from Troop thirty and their adult companions. They were all
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Speaker 1: wearing these bright lime green safety vests walking along the
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Speaker 1: sides of County Road p. These are fourth graders that
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Speaker 1: had adopted the rural road and we're performing uh, their
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Speaker 1: bi annual community service. This is along a stretch that
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Speaker 1: runs through farmland residential areas. A black pickups speeding, Uh.
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Speaker 1: We're not even sure exactly the speed, veered off the
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Speaker 1: road and into the shallow ditch where some of these
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Speaker 1: girls were walking, picking up trash kill ling. Uh. Two
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Speaker 1: of the girls outright uh and the mother the Uh.
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Speaker 1: The other child died very soon after. The truck then
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Speaker 1: lurches back onto the road, speeds away and uh. It
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Speaker 1: takes investigators a while to figure out and find the perpetrator.
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Speaker 1: This crash on a Saturday killed a nine year old
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Speaker 1: little girl, Janea Kelly, ten year old Autumn Helgason, both
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Speaker 1: of Lake Halle, ten year old Haaey Hickel, and her mother,
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Speaker 1: thirty two year old Sarah J. Schneider from Lafayette. And
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Speaker 1: now we are learning more and more about why Lisa
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Speaker 1: now identified the driver of the pickup as twenty one
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Speaker 1: year old Colton True. Police say he took off after
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Speaker 1: the crash but later turned himself in. True has not
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Speaker 1: been charged yet, but he did appear in court today
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Speaker 1: for a bond hearing. True and prosecutors say he will
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Speaker 1: face more than a dozen charges. Police say True and
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Speaker 1: his passenger admitted to huffing chemicals before the crash, and
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Speaker 1: in court, the District Attorney's office said True was also
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Speaker 1: involved in a rollover accident while driving under the influence
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Speaker 1: of drugs. In September, you were hearing from k A
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Speaker 1: R a eleven TV reporter at Danny Speewalk, describe me
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Speaker 1: the pickup truck that this guy, Colton True was driving
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Speaker 1: allegedly huffing chemicals just before he mows down three little
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Speaker 1: girl scouts, my daughter's age, my son's age, and we
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Speaker 1: learned he was involved in another crash just a couple
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Speaker 1: of months before, and nothing was done. Joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: In addition to John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert Karen Smith, courtroom superstar Jason Ocean's New York
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Speaker 1: psychologist Karen Stark, joining me now is former president of
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Speaker 1: Mad Mothers Against Drunk and Driving, Georgia Sheryl mc on them,
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Speaker 1: what is huffing? A lot of people didn't even know
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Speaker 1: what it was till Demi Moore ended up in the
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Speaker 1: emergency room. Right, you can huff several things, spray paint,
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Speaker 1: whipped cream, and of course the nighting ox side. So
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Speaker 1: what they basically do is they can use a balloon,
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Speaker 1: they can use anything. They take the gases out and
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Speaker 1: it goes right into their mouth and it gives them
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Speaker 1: this really rush of euphoria. It's like this fantastic high. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: how many times are you and I gonna have to
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Speaker 1: talk about a driving under the influenced fatality. You've got
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Speaker 1: these babies, these nine year old little girls that are
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Speaker 1: out doing community servants, helping other people, and here comes
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Speaker 1: this twenty one year old that a could have stayed
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Speaker 1: at home, could have stayed at a friend's house, could
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Speaker 1: have stayed parked in a parking lot, could have used
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Speaker 1: uber for the love of God, but no, again, he decides.
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Speaker 1: But not only is he gonna for good doing something legally,
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Speaker 1: He's gonna use something illegal, become under the influence, and
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Speaker 1: then movies babies down. It's asin on to me mowing
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Speaker 1: them down. That's a way to put it. Huffing um
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Speaker 1: is intentionally in healing fumes is becoming very very common
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Speaker 1: it was made on common knowledge when to me More
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Speaker 1: had used whippets to huff. You're using inhalent. You can
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Speaker 1: use it from practically anything, spray bottles, there are different
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Speaker 1: solvents people can use to huff. It's dangerous. It's very
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Speaker 1: dangerous for the people doing it and everybody around them.
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Speaker 1: Now she was using whippets. Demi Moore was using whippets,
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Speaker 1: you know too, Karen Stark, a New York psychologist joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan. People huff because they say, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: you know it's not cocaine, it's not heroin. But we
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Speaker 1: recalling Demi Moore hospitalized after inhaling notrous oxide using whippets,
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Speaker 1: and they really got in the spotlight when that happened.
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Speaker 1: Remember she had seizures, she went unconscious, was rushed to
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Speaker 1: the hospital. Those little cylinders feel with nitrous oxide or
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Speaker 1: knox you can get in Dentis's office. No vicine is
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Speaker 1: uh something similar um and and very dangerous as you
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Speaker 1: can see from Demi Moore. But it's not just I
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Speaker 1: mean the whole thing became popular during the discour when
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Speaker 1: people would do it on the dance floor, so they
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Speaker 1: would get higher as they were dancing. And feel better.
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Speaker 1: And when you think about that, which sounds like it's
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Speaker 1: not horrific, and you compare it to this terrible scene
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Speaker 1: where a guy, as Cheryl said, he's in a car
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Speaker 1: driving when he shouldn't be driving, and these innocent girls
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Speaker 1: who were doing a service to the public are now
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Speaker 1: dead and the families will never ever recover from that event, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: because of this guy using this drug that is supposedly safe,
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Speaker 1: which we know is not. No, it's not safe with me.
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Speaker 1: Former president of Mad Mothers Against Drunk Driving Georgia Sheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you've ever gone to the grocery store
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Speaker 1: and gotten cant of whipped cream, they can of whit cream.
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Speaker 1: You know what, you're one step away from the oldest
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Speaker 1: drug abuse method under the sun. Powering whipped cream is
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Speaker 1: a very small dose of notrous oxide and when it
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Speaker 1: comes out and you suck it in, you get a high.
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Speaker 1: That's what's called a whipping the little eight ground container,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. And again they can fill
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Speaker 1: it with anything. It can be a blue it could
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Speaker 1: be a whip, praying dispenser, spray paint. I mean, we've
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Speaker 1: had cases where we get to were seen and somebody
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Speaker 1: has died, and they'll have gold or silver spray paint
31:10
Speaker 1: all around their mouths because they've been trying to huff
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Speaker 1: the spray paint and it killed them. I mean, people
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Speaker 1: don't understand nacy. They say, oh, this is the newest thing,
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Speaker 1: this is the cool trends. They don't understand the ramifications
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Speaker 1: if they're not in a car. But you add a
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Speaker 1: two tiny vehicle going sixty miles an hour when you're
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Speaker 1: out of your mind, people are going to die. That
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Speaker 1: happened just before noon in Lake Allei. Police say a
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Speaker 1: Girl Scout troop was picking up trash on County Highway
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Speaker 1: Pee near weather Field when a Ford truck went into
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Speaker 1: the ditch, hitting the victims. Three young girls and one
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Speaker 1: adult female died as a result. One young child for
31:53
Speaker 1: means in critical condition. Boy Calli Police Department have the driver,
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old Colt to True of chippew Falls.
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Speaker 1: He fled the area but later turned himself in. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing from w E A UTV reporter Brooke Schweiter there
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Speaker 1: on the scene. Three Girl Scouts dead, including a mom
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Speaker 1: I'm Jane and Kelly, nine years old. One of the
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Speaker 1: girl Scouts killed. Quote. There was no warning, it was fast.
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Speaker 1: It was from behind. No one could turn around. Oh
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Speaker 1: that's what Robin Kelly, the troupe leader said, No warning,
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Speaker 1: it was fast, it was from behind, no one could
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Speaker 1: turn around. I'm looking at these little girls pictures. It's
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Speaker 1: called hippie crack, one of the several terms used for whippets.
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Speaker 1: You can get him, buy an individual canister or an
32:43
Speaker 1: entire tank. They're perfectly legal to purchase. Why why are
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Speaker 1: they legal to purchase? First, you get euphoria, you get hypoxia,
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Speaker 1: and it seems so innocent, sucking out of whipped cream canister.
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Speaker 1: John Linley, what more do we know about the guy
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Speaker 1: now charged Colton True in four vehicular homicides well Nancy.
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Speaker 1: In addition to he and his passenger there in the
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Speaker 1: car huffing these computer keyboard cleaner chemicals, they were fighting
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Speaker 1: for control of the pick up which killed these three children.
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Speaker 1: At a parent Colton True admitted to police that he
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Speaker 1: and his root his roommate John Stender, had been huffing.
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Speaker 1: He said he lost control of the vehicle and fish
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Speaker 1: tailed after Mr Stender grabbed the steering wheel from him
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Speaker 1: on this rural Highway. Stender told authorities he took the
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Speaker 1: steering wheel to correct True's driving, which then prompted his
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Speaker 1: roommate to yell and violently grabbed the wheel back. As
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Speaker 1: he did so, the truck swerved into the ditch, striking
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Speaker 1: five victims, killing four and seriously injuring another. True sped
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Speaker 1: off after the collusion. Stender told police the next thing
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Speaker 1: he recalled is waking up down the road. Waking up
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Speaker 1: down the road. Take a listen to w c C
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Speaker 1: O t VS. Kate Rabbit's talking with the father of
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Speaker 1: Jana Kelly, now dead. And this is such a tragedy.
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Speaker 1: You can't the anger take over though you want to
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Speaker 1: get mad about it, and you feel guilty about it,
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Speaker 1: and you can't. It's just something that was out of
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Speaker 1: our control. Brian Kelly's daughter, nine year old Jana Kelly,
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Speaker 1: along with ten year old Autumn Helgeson, ten year old
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Speaker 1: Hailey Hickle, and her thirty two year old mother, Sarah
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Speaker 1: Joe Schneider, were killed to Jason Ocean's veteran trial lawyer
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Speaker 1: in the Tri State area around New York. Jason Oceans,
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Speaker 1: what's this guy looking at? Four vehicular homicide, three of
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Speaker 1: them little girl Scouts. Well, he's looking at some some
34:53
Speaker 1: serious time. Fancy. Uh, you know, when these these cases happen,
34:58
Speaker 1: and they've don't always make headlines unfortunately, but the coupling
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Speaker 1: with the girl Scouts and the age and and and
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Speaker 1: the volunteerism, he's he's going to have the prosecutor go
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Speaker 1: after him full full kill. Once a case hits the
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Speaker 1: headlines like this, there's there's probably no good plea deal
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Speaker 1: to come. And uh, most of us would be happy
35:18
Speaker 1: about that. I say to people, you can't make sense
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Speaker 1: of this. This is impossible, impossible to make sense. The
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Speaker 1: pastor at Central Lutheran Church in Chippewa Falls is preparing
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Speaker 1: how to talk to families about the tragedy at Wednesday
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Speaker 1: night worship, to answer the kid's questions, to to just
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Speaker 1: be real with him, be honest with them, give them
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Speaker 1: realistic answers um to the questions that they are asking.
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Speaker 1: According to the criminal complaint, an officer followed a trail
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Speaker 1: of fresh fluid moving away from the crash scene that
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Speaker 1: led him to True's residents, used a search warrant to
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Speaker 1: find a Ford pickup with significant front end damage. Further,
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Speaker 1: True admitted to investigators he and a friend his passenger
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Speaker 1: during the crash had been huffing computer keyboard cleaner they
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Speaker 1: bought that day. Court records also showed true was Foult
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Speaker 1: guilty of driving drunk in it. Convicted on his current
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Speaker 1: eleven charges, he would essentially spend life in prison. You
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Speaker 1: were here from w c CEO TVs Kate Rabbits talking
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Speaker 1: about a previous charge. What does that, How does that
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Speaker 1: factor into this scenario? Jason otions, Well, certainly you know
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Speaker 1: can't come in Uh, you know certain states they can.
36:28
Speaker 1: I'm not something with that jurisdiction, but clearly the fact
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Speaker 1: that prosecutors are aware of that will will give them
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Speaker 1: the impetus not to cut a deal with him and
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Speaker 1: that he's going to face all those counts. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: then as we just turned, he could be looking at
36:43
Speaker 1: John Linley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. What about
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Speaker 1: the passenger that previously dragged grabbed the wheel? What about him?
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Speaker 1: Is he facing charges at all? Those charges are pending
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Speaker 1: at the moment, there has been no update on that.
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Speaker 1: So no, you know, he was so out of his mind.
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Speaker 1: Trim a column form President of mad Georgia. We know
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Speaker 1: that he's driving along in his black Ford F one fifty.
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Speaker 1: He went over a full lane all the way into
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Speaker 1: a roadside ditch, mowing the girls down and the mom
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Speaker 1: it's as if he it's like they were a target.
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Speaker 1: It's like he went straight at them. Absolutely want let's
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Speaker 1: break this down for everybody. People that huck they have
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Speaker 1: found a legal way to purchase the drug they're gonna use.
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Speaker 1: So these two guys, you know, they're just not gonna
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Speaker 1: go to a drug dealer. They're gonna go to your
37:38
Speaker 1: local store and they're gonna buy a cleaner or whatever,
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Speaker 1: spray pain, whatever it is that they choose. It's a
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Speaker 1: legal way to get the item. And then again, they're
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Speaker 1: gonna get in a car in the effect of this
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Speaker 1: huff and it's gonna be slurred speaks, are gonna be
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Speaker 1: dis oriented, they're gonna, you know, get a soul. They
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Speaker 1: gonna like be lightheeded, and then they're just gonna doze off,
37:58
Speaker 1: which is exactly what this jackass did. And he's got
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Speaker 1: a history. He's got a d U when he was
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Speaker 1: even under age. And you and I both so from
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Speaker 1: Zeeland with these crumbs for twenty years. This is not
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Speaker 1: the only two times this man has driven under the influence.
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Speaker 1: He has driven no way. For every time somebody has
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Speaker 1: caught d u I, they've driven d u I seventy
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Speaker 1: eight times before that according to statistics. Oh uh, no way.
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Speaker 1: To Karen Smith, forensics expert, how can this scene be reconstructed?
38:35
Speaker 1: How can we tell exactly what happened? Now, it's obvious
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Speaker 1: to me what happened, but you gotta prove it at court.
38:42
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, you have their testimony first of all,
38:44
Speaker 1: which is great. Now you go back and you reconstruct
38:46
Speaker 1: the crime scene as it is institute. You have the
38:49
Speaker 1: tire marks on the ground, you have the dirt that's
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Speaker 1: been disturbed, you have the y'all marks, you have the
38:54
Speaker 1: skid marks, and you have the impact points. Those have
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Speaker 1: all been marked with orange paint. Those have all been diagrams.
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Speaker 1: You're going to get people who are using very sophisticated calculations.
39:03
Speaker 1: These traffic crash reconstructionists use a lot of physics and
39:06
Speaker 1: a lot of complicated mathematics to reconstruct how fast that
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Speaker 1: truck was going, along with the data from the truck.
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Speaker 1: If it's new enough, they can pull the chip and
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Speaker 1: feed that right in. There were computers and tell exactly
39:18
Speaker 1: what that truck was doing at the moment of the impact.
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Speaker 1: So all of that's going to come together in court.
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Speaker 1: And believe me, this guy, I hope he never sees
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Speaker 1: the light of day again. He's destroyed too many lives. Yeah,
39:28
Speaker 1: he can enjoy a whip it behind bars. He'll probably
39:31
Speaker 1: get to work and they prison cafeteria and have access
39:37
Speaker 1: to to whip cream in a in a in A
39:39
Speaker 1: can listen as K A R A eleven TVs. Danny
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Speaker 1: Spewak reports they were giving back away smiles on their face.
39:47
Speaker 1: Girl Scout Troop thirty five was out picking up trash
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Speaker 1: when police say a pickup truck crashed into five troop members.
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Speaker 1: Four were killed, now identified by police as ten year
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Speaker 1: old Hailey Hickle, Hickles mothers or Joe Schneider, ten year
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Speaker 1: old Autumn Helgesen, and nine year old Jana Kelly. Jane's
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Speaker 1: mom is a school employee and her dad is the
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Speaker 1: county Highway commissioner in the Highway Department. Is really really hurting,
40:11
Speaker 1: and the families are hurting. So the Girls Scouts are hurting,
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Speaker 1: the elementary school is hurting, So we need to all
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Speaker 1: come together. Charley Walker works with the commissioner and has
40:20
Speaker 1: been fielding calls all week. And we knew that when
40:22
Speaker 1: that many phone calls hit, how can we help, How
40:25
Speaker 1: can we help? We better establish a vehicle quickly. So
40:27
Speaker 1: he helped organize a go fund me for all four families.
40:30
Speaker 1: This little gesture is the best UH we can do.
40:33
Speaker 1: Before we sign off, I want to say blessed Veteran's Day.
40:39
Speaker 1: My dad turned down a basketball scholarship to enlist early
40:44
Speaker 1: in line about his age to get into the Navy.
40:49
Speaker 1: He was suddenly shipped across the world, far away from
40:51
Speaker 1: home for the very first time, and he fought for
40:54
Speaker 1: his country. Matt Grace, my father in law as well,
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Speaker 1: chut wench battling for his country. Without them, where would
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Speaker 1: we be to all veterans? God bless you and God
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Speaker 1: bless America. Nancy Grace crime Story signing off, good bye friend,