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Patriots Catch-22 3/11: Reported Patriots Signings/Releases/Trades, Free Agency Buzz, Draft Talk · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: to be chase On in one of those guys.
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  Speaker 2: It's tough. Fifteen plus million. Who's Zion Johnson has a third?
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  Speaker 3: What favorite design does Ian rappaport ow to Zion Johnson
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  Speaker 3: has him?
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  Speaker 1: Had four years, fifty one million, twenty seven guarantees.
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  Speaker 3: Banana land, Banana lands for Zion Johnson. Well, some of
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  Speaker 3: those guys signed in the last couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: Alex Years, Zion Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Banana Land, I repeat banana Land. Uh, the Patriots got
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  Speaker 3: the better player for less money with Elijah.
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  Speaker 1: Very well, there's yeah, they got the better player for
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  Speaker 1: less money's on the field.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah whatever, better player, he's a better player anyways, Hello,
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  Speaker 3: hard Heart open there, Evan. Was our Alex bars Patriots
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  Speaker 3: catch twenty two with you for the next couple of hours.
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  Speaker 3: Talking of course, free agency, we are we are very close,
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  Speaker 3: Alex to this being no longer tampering, legal tampering. We
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  Speaker 3: are now getting into the actual league Year's is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: They changed that.
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  Speaker 3: It's four o'clock Eastern time this afternoon where teams can
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  Speaker 3: officially start putting pen to paper. And as somebody that
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  Speaker 3: when we write up our free agent and see breaking
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  Speaker 3: news things and have to put reportedly seventeen hundred times
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  Speaker 3: in the post the Max Crosby trade last night, is
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  Speaker 3: exactly why they wait until four o'clock to start putting
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  Speaker 3: out transactions as a team, because these things can fall through.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm not saying anything has happened like that on
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots side, but these things can fall through, as
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  Speaker 3: we saw. So four o'clock today is the official start
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  Speaker 3: happy new year of the league year, and that's when
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  Speaker 3: players can start coming in and signing pen to paper
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  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. So we're going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about the reported signings for the Patriots here today.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about what they still have to do,
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  Speaker 3: and there's still a lot of balls up in the
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  Speaker 3: air that they need to navigate through. But I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to use a little bit of an analogy. It evan
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  Speaker 3: to Alex Marine behind the glass today, not Ace Marine
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  Speaker 3: behind the glass. I want to use a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of nowogy. You remember in two thousand and one when
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  Speaker 3: John Madden famously said I would play for overtime here
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  Speaker 3: at Super Bowl thirty six. Right, He's like, they have
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  Speaker 3: no timeouts, there's like a minute twenty left. You know,
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  Speaker 3: first you're starting quarterback, you know, against the greatest show
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  Speaker 3: on Terrif I'd play for overtime. Then Brady like completes
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  Speaker 3: a few checkdowns to j R. Redman, gets them sort
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  Speaker 3: of moving on the drive, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: John Madden goes, I kind of like what they're doing?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: That was sort of how I felt about free agency
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  Speaker 3: for the Patriots Monday. I think I was like a
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  Speaker 3: lot of you, I felt a little bit I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: use the word concern, but just it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: a downer that Alec Pearce never actually hit free agency
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  Speaker 3: and they didn't get a real chance to make.
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  Speaker 1: A run second two years in a row with the
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  Speaker 1: rug pull first Ronnie Stanley, now Alex Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Alec Pierce.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess this, this one I feel like was
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  Speaker 3: a little hurt, a little bit more than the Ronnie
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  Speaker 3: Stanley one, Alex Ling Alex Pierce happens, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: goes back to the Colts and the Patriots first signings
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  Speaker 3: are a full back who I love, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: not merching full backs and uh, you know, Draymond Jones's
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  Speaker 3: solid player, solid.
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  Speaker 1: Non ball noers don't get the full back.
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  Speaker 3: I know, well, we'll get into the full back. It's
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  Speaker 3: probably my favorite signing that they've made so far. All
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  Speaker 3: these things that you know happen, and you do feel
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  Speaker 3: a little bit like, all right, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is this isn't last year.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't splash Milton Williams splash, Carlton Davis splash, Morgan Moses,
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  Speaker 3: Robert Splane. You know, all these different signings that they
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  Speaker 3: made in the very first wave of free agency last year.
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  Speaker 3: We're taking a little bit of a more deliberate, different approach,
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  Speaker 3: which I think makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we knew they weren't going to have another
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  Speaker 1: like top the league spending spring.
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  Speaker 2: And just the season they're coming off of, they had less.
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  Speaker 1: Holes, right, they.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't need to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you look at the teams that spent
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  Speaker 3: the most and free agency so far, it's the Raiders,
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  Speaker 3: it's the Titans, it's.
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  Speaker 2: The end even more than even they planned on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's all these teams that were bad last
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  Speaker 3: year that are now trying to spend their way out
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  Speaker 3: of being bad. The two signings that I think all
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  Speaker 3: of us probably feel a little bit better about. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: now we kind of like what the Patriots are doing.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit happened in the last couple of days
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  Speaker 3: here and sort of that second wave of free agency
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  Speaker 3: with Elijah Vera Tucker and Romeo Dobbs, and I think
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  Speaker 3: both these guys makes sense, Like the profiles fit needs
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  Speaker 3: that sort of thing, especially with you know, the news
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  Speaker 3: that they're reportedly again planning on releasing Stefon Diggs. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: so all this starts to make a lot of sense
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  Speaker 3: about what they're doing in terms of those guys. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: at first I was like a little bit apprehensive about
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  Speaker 3: what was going on. Now I sort of like what
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  Speaker 3: they're doing. I want to start with what they've done
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  Speaker 3: in terms of bringing in people, and then we'll get
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  Speaker 3: to what's left and what needs to be done here
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  Speaker 3: moving forward. But let's just start with the two big
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  Speaker 3: ticket items in the last couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: It's open.
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  Speaker 1: What do you want to start with the one they
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  Speaker 1: did like five seconds ago? Okay, I don't that.
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  Speaker 2: That that We're putting that one on the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the list.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna start with with Romeo Dobs, who hand up,
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  Speaker 3: I'll admit. Paul Perrillo was telling me on Patriots Unfiltered
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  Speaker 3: off the air on there, you know, like how about
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  Speaker 3: Romeo Dobs.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't know anything.
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  Speaker 3: He just kind of likes the player, right, and he
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  Speaker 3: was like sort of like, you know, I was kind
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  Speaker 3: of stand offish about it. I was like, it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like another you know, not to use this part,
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  Speaker 3: but it's kind of like another wide receiver too.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm just not like really crazy about it. But
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  Speaker 2: in some of this is.
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  Speaker 3: We all do this that we kind of are lukewarm
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  Speaker 3: on a player then he becomes a Patriot, and now
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, he's you know, oh, this is
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  Speaker 3: actually a great player. When I watched Romeo Dobs coming
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  Speaker 3: out of college, and I often this these types of things,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of it is kind of my
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  Speaker 3: preconceived notions of a player, right, I did not remember
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  Speaker 3: him as being as polished of a round runner as
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  Speaker 3: he is now, you know, when he first got into
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  Speaker 3: the league, and so he's really developed his game, I
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  Speaker 3: would say in that regard to being a really high
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  Speaker 3: level route runner, especially I would say at the first
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  Speaker 3: and second level of the defense. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: he's quite got field stretching ability, but he's got really
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  Speaker 3: good top of the route mechanics, ability to separate versus
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  Speaker 3: man coverage. All of his man coverage metrics are really
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  Speaker 3: really good.
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  Speaker 2: His ability to.
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  Speaker 3: Find and sort of navigate soft spots and zone coverages
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  Speaker 3: over the middle of the field and make himself available
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  Speaker 3: and you know, sit versus zone or breakaway from leverage,
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  Speaker 3: and all that good fancy stuff that we talk so
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  Speaker 3: much about, especially in the prism of the Josh McDaniels offense.
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  Speaker 2: So when you start to look at all the things
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  Speaker 2: that he did.
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  Speaker 3: With Green Bay, especially, like I said, the chain moving elements,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that's exactly where he's going. He played
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  Speaker 3: a lot more at the X for the Packers. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think he's going to play the X for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna play the Diggs role. Yeah, for
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots. Uh So, he had forty one first down
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  Speaker 3: receptions last year as seventy five percent first down conversion rates.
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  Speaker 3: Seventy five percent of his catches went for first downs
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  Speaker 3: last year at a higher volume, just talking regular season,
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  Speaker 3: so we compare.
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  Speaker 2: Apples to apples here at a higher volume.
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  Speaker 3: Digs had fifty one first down catches, which led the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots last year. If you start to think about it
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  Speaker 3: on a per target basis, it's not that far off, right,
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  Speaker 3: because Diggs had one hundred and two targets or something
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  Speaker 3: like that and Dobbs is around eighty something, So we're
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  Speaker 3: not talking about a huge difference in terms of their
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  Speaker 3: efficiency of turning catches into first downs. So his ability,
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  Speaker 3: his route running ability, he only had four drops on
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  Speaker 3: those targets last years. He's got good hands, good strong hands.
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  Speaker 3: It's got some size to him at six two two
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  Speaker 3: oh five it's not a jitterbug slot, it's not a
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  Speaker 3: five foot eight Pop Douglas type of slot receiver.
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  Speaker 2: All these different things.
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  Speaker 3: You start to look at the film and start to
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  Speaker 3: envision him in a patrio offense, and I start to
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  Speaker 3: think about, yeah, I can see this.
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  Speaker 2: I can see this player working.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: That's not saying that I think that he is the guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think they still need more, especially, you know, someone
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  Speaker 3: that's more of a pure coverage dictator that's going to draw,
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  Speaker 3: you know, matchups with top corners, that's going to occupy
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  Speaker 3: safeties like that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: But if this is your typical Josh.
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  Speaker 3: McDaniels chain mover that digs the Jacobi Meyers a Julian
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  Speaker 3: Edelman role, that this is a solid player for that role.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Romeo Dobbs is maybe a.
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  Speaker 3: Tiny little bit underrated because he doesn't have the name
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  Speaker 3: brand recognition of a four time pro bowler like Stefan Diggs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you covered a lot of good stuff there,
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  Speaker 1: but I think, just to pick up where you ended that,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this for Alec Pierson, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's the same level as Alec Pearce, but the same
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  Speaker 1: idea applies, you're paying for upside, you're paying for potentially
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  Speaker 1: not paying for production. At a career high seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty four receiving yards last year, Kurt Heine catches
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  Speaker 1: his fifty nine. He's been right around that fifty mark,
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  Speaker 1: fifty to sixty mark most of his career, you know,
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  Speaker 1: looking at twenty twenty six, him and Diggs, you know,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Digs versus him in twenty twenty six Dobbs, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: probably about even in my mind. But the idea is,
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  Speaker 1: you have one guy that's trending upwards, right, and you
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  Speaker 1: have another guy, as much as I like Diggs, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be thirty three years old, and he's not
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  Speaker 1: a part of the long term plan. So to me,
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  Speaker 1: he is a Digs replacement. I think in Roll, I
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  Speaker 1: think they're hoping he replaces the production. He's not that
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  Speaker 1: you know big outside jump ball fifty to fifty ball
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  Speaker 1: X receiver that we've been talking about them pairing with Drake.
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  Speaker 1: May still want to see them get that guy. The
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  Speaker 1: avenues for that are kind of running out, not that
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  Speaker 1: there were a ton to begin with. Frankly, there's the
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  Speaker 1: aj brown of it all. Which we can get into. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but for what you know, I don't think Romeo Dobbs,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that they're there. To me right now,
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  Speaker 1: it's like they're where they were. I don't think they're
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  Speaker 1: worse at wide receiver. I don't think they're better. You you know,
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  Speaker 1: you hope there's some internal growth from some of those
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  Speaker 1: young guys, especially Kyle Williams, and we'll see what happens there.
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  Speaker 1: But they've replaced Diggs box checked, and that's good. And
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  Speaker 1: now it's on to the next move.
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  Speaker 3: The last thing I'll say on Dobbs that I think
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  Speaker 3: is sneaky important here with him. You mentioned his age.
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  Speaker 3: He's twenty five now, he'll be twenty seats entering his
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  Speaker 3: age twenty six season next month. He obviously has a
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  Speaker 3: lot more runway, as you were kind of saying what
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  Speaker 3: Drake may here than Stefan Diggs would have. But also
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  Speaker 3: more importantly, maybe they really don't have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: receivers under contract past twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really only the.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five rookies Kyle Williams and e Ft and Chisholm.
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  Speaker 3: Now I assume there's going to be at least one
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  Speaker 3: more added to that, whether it's be a trader or
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  Speaker 3: the draft. But Kishan Boudi, a twenty twenty three draft pick,
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  Speaker 3: is a free agent. To Mario Douglas, a twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: three draft pick, will be a free agent. Mac Collins
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  Speaker 3: will be a free agent after next year. So when
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  Speaker 3: you just start to look at even twenty twenty seven
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  Speaker 3: and beyond, like they just didn't have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: long term contracts committed at the wide receiver position, and
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  Speaker 3: you could put yourself in a position where you get
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  Speaker 3: the next offseason and the only guy that you have
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  Speaker 3: under contract at wide receiver is Kyle Williams or maybe
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  Speaker 3: Efton Chisholm if he's able to stick on the roster.
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  Speaker 3: So I think in a lot of ways too, they
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  Speaker 3: just needed to get somebody in here that had term
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  Speaker 3: on his contract, that you know, had had some longevity
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  Speaker 3: on the contract.
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  Speaker 2: So no, he's kind of like the signing. I think
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  Speaker 2: he's a.
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  Speaker 3: Better player than I gave him credit for. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: not just saying that because he's a Patriot.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The other big thing about him, and this is going
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  Speaker 1: to sound kind of weird, but I think in all
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  Speaker 1: pro sports this is something you look at in Freedomcy,
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  Speaker 1: especially with some of these young guys.
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  Speaker 2: He plays, Yeah, he plays.
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  Speaker 1: He played thirteen games his rookie year seventeen thirteen sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: so he and he's a tough guy. He's tough player,
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  Speaker 1: stays on the field, good size, six to two to
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  Speaker 1: two o four. So you have somebody in the slot
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  Speaker 1: that has that bigger frame than maybe Drake May likes
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  Speaker 1: to throw to. But he gets on the field too,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is important.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: The other, uh, you know, big signing here in the
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  Speaker 3: last couple of days is Elijah Verit Tucker and you
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  Speaker 3: have continuously reminded me that you know this. We have
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  Speaker 3: to talk about the injury history with the player, and
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  Speaker 3: that's totally fair. He's basically played half of his possible
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  Speaker 3: games since he entered the NFL. I think it's what
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  Speaker 3: like forty two of eighty five or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's literally almost half of the games that he's actually
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  Speaker 3: been available for.
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  Speaker 2: He has torn his.
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  Speaker 3: Triceps in each arm, and he's also torn his achilles
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  Speaker 3: over the course of his career. So we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: a guy that has a major injury history. Now, with
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  Speaker 3: that being said, one of the things that I have
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  Speaker 3: been hearing going around on your station and stuff like
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  Speaker 3: that is this huge concern about the offensive line and
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  Speaker 3: that the offensive line is still in flux, you know,
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  Speaker 3: still a weak point of this roster. I actually don't
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  Speaker 3: really I feel the total opposite. I kind of feel
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  Speaker 3: like this is the best the offensive line has looked
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  Speaker 3: on paper. And we have to preface that with two things.
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  Speaker 3: Elijah averat Tucker's injury history, he's got to be healthy
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  Speaker 3: and available, and internal development from Will Campbell and Jared Wilson,
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  Speaker 3: like those two guys have to get better. But if
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  Speaker 3: those two things happen, and I get that that's a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of ifs and butts, But if those two things happen,
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  Speaker 3: this is the best their offensive line has looked on
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  Speaker 3: paper in quite some time. I would say, probably since
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  Speaker 3: like Bill Belichick started to blow up the interior offensive
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  Speaker 3: line and messed the whole thing up, like twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, right where they had they had Shack
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  Speaker 3: Mason was the first to go, wasn't he. Joe Toney
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  Speaker 3: was the first go They franchised tagged Joe Tuny for
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  Speaker 3: so but they when they had Toney Andrews Mason. They
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  Speaker 3: were they were they were cooking right, they were rolling
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  Speaker 3: throughout that whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's just elite. Yes, yeah, and they're not
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  Speaker 2: there yet.
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  Speaker 3: But in theory, and again I get it, we're we're
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  Speaker 3: dealing with the player that has had major injuries throughout
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  Speaker 3: his career. But in theory, you're kind of upgrading two
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  Speaker 3: spots with this move because I think Jared Wilson is
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  Speaker 3: going to be a really good center and I think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of his issues that we saw go with
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  Speaker 3: play strength and anchor and all that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 3: will be mitigated a little bit at center, not to
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  Speaker 3: mention that he should physically develop over the course of
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  Speaker 3: his career as a young guy. You know, we talk
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  Speaker 3: about Campbell being super young. Jared Wilson is also super young,
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  Speaker 3: so that should happen as well, just you know, from
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  Speaker 3: an internal growth standpoint. But in theory, I think you've
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  Speaker 3: probably made Center at least have a higher ceiling of
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: being better. And if he's available, I think Vera Tucker
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: definitely improves left guard like that. I think is is
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: a foregone conclusion that he is going to be a
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: better play, a better left guard than what Jared Wilson
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: gave you last year.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: So is this.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I guess concern from the offensive line standpoint that I
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: keep hearing about. Is this only because everybody is so
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: weary about Will Campbell?
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Like that, is that all it stems from.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I mean it maybe just conditioned to complain about the
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: offensive line. Look, I think on paper, they're starting five
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: is better now than it was before. You know, Will
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Campbell's gonna get healthy. You plug Vera Tucker in move
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson's natural position. Like, on paper, that's better, that's
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: an upgrade. There are still fair questions. Is Vera Tucker
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: gonna stay healthy?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Is a big one.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I like Ben Brown, but Verit Tech Tucker's a step.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Up, and it changes the Ben Brown's a spot starter,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: full time start.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about a guy that you know, plays
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: ten to twelve games a year and kind of misses
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: games sporadically. We're talking about a guy that in five
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: NFL seasons has had three season ending injuries. Yep, so
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: that's a factor. But if he's in there, like it's
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: an upgrade. The fair questions to me are him staying
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: healthy in the plan be there and then the longer,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: the backup tackles. They don't have any backup tackles. Well,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: they have Marcus Prian, I guess on the right side.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: They don't have a backup left tackle right now, which
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: is relevant, and I believe in Will Campbell. This is
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: not I think Will Campbell is going to fail. It's
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that I don't actually have the number for last year,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: but two years ago only seventeen tackles both sides combine
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: for a team played all seventeen games. Like, you're gonna
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: need your backup tackles at some point. Odds are in
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the NFL, it's just the way it works. So they
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: need a backup left tackle. And then the long term,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know that I feel any better about
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: them in the long term talking about like the three
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: to five year outlook beyond just Vera Tucker being up
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: grade at left guard, they still have long term questions
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and frankly where Mike when win, who's contract is at
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Like there's a question there too about who's the next
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: guy up there, because they don't have a ton of
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: guard depth behind Ben Brown. So there's still long term
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: questions and there's the question of the injury at left
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: guard and some depth questions. But if you're just telling
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: me the depth chart on paper, they're better. Yeah, they're
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: better than they were last year.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Campbell from left to right.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: If they're starting offensive line in week one and it's
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: not you know, it's about I get it. It's a
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: seventeen plus game season, right, but their starting offensive line
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: in week one is Campbell vera Tucker Wilson on when
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Moses upgrade, it's pretty darn good, honestly, like they were
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: league averaged in the regular season last year by most
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: of the metrics and by the eye test. I think
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: the other thing that I would say about the offensive
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: line is, like these questions that we have across the
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: offensive line, thirty two teams have the same questions. It's
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: a bad position group across the league. Nobody has three
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: starting caliber tackles in the NFL. Some teams don't even
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: have two starting caliber tackle. Some teams might argue they
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: don't have one starting caliber tackle. So the Patriots have
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Campbell and they have Moses, who they feel pretty good
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: about the fact that we are talking about, well, who's
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: going to be like the swing tackle or the third
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: tackle or the backup left tackle or whatever you want
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: to play it like that's that's kind of a little
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: bit of a first world.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: But I mean, we were talking about last year four
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: new starters. Now we're talking about the backups.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: That's growth, and this is what this offseason going to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: be was building depth. We'll see what they do in
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: free agency. You know, Vederian Low got less money.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Than I thought.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I'm almost surprised that, you know, they can keep in,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: but they'll you know, we'll see if they find somebody
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: here or in the draft. You know, maybe you get
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: a guy you're going to develop on the right side
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: but has some swing potential that can at least hold
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that role on this year. The other thing about the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: line too, just to add it, I feel like there's
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: this this narrow focus of the line. When we talk
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: about the line, talked about just through pass protection, which
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I get why there's such a focus on that. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: don't know how much more you have on Vera Tucker,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: but I think this is where we can kind of
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: transition to Regie Gillium. Yeah, like that's going to be
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a big boost in terms of blocking, in terms of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the run game. You know, he's going to take some
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: of the pressure off of the offensive line as well.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just really quickly on Vera Tucker and then I
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: wanted to go to Gilliam next too. Just a quick
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: kind of like synopsis of who he is as a player,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I would say with Vera Tucker, and I'm not saying
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: that he doesn't have any place strained to him or
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: any like snarl to him at all.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: But his calling card is his athleticism.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: He's a highly athletic interior blocker, was very very athletic
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: coming out of USC in college, you know, one of
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: these big like relative athletics score testers.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: And things like that. At the combine, his movement skills
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and is a bit to.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Pass protect one on one are very good, like high
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: level good. You know, he was featured a lot and
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: with the jetson zone blocking schemes. I'm not gonna look
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: too much into that and say because they signed Vera Tucker,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: now they're gonna be all outside zone like, I'm not
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: saying that necessarily, but you look at his ability to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: get out of his stance. You look at his lateral
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: moment mobility to you know, move and reach blocks across
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, his ability to combo block, you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: kind of chip and then go up to the second
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: level and connect with moving targets on the second level.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Very balanced player, squares up blocks. You don't really see
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: him like out of control or over his skis too
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: often when you watch him now, granted I had to
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: go back to twenty twenty four like to watch him,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: but you don't see him too often falling off blocks,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: over his skis, out of control. He's very methodical, he's
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: very athletic. He's very just physically gifted, to be honest,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: for an offensive lineman and a guy that size. Now,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: he played a little bit of everywhere with the Jets.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: He played a little bit of everywhere with the Trojans.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: At USC.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: He can in a pinch play tackle And I bring
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: that up only because we know that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Not last year.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: But Morgan Moses is the type of guy that might
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: miss a game or two yea at his age. If
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: you told me that for one or two games as
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: a spot starter they were going to move Veritucker out
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: to right tackle and put Ben Brown in at left
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: guard to whether a you know, dinged up Morgan Moses,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I would say, doable, Like not the.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Worst thing in the world.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: He's certainly more acquitted, you know, measurables wise and all that,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: to play guard like he should play guard. He did
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: play guard right guard his last year with the Jets,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: but he played left guard as a rookie. He played
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: the left side at USC. I don't think that that's
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: going to be too big of a deal. But it's
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: kind of like how we've talked a little bit about
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: on WHENU. In the past, they've moved him all around
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: with the Jets, and I don't think that that's really
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: been helpful for him.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: No, you gotta let these guys sit in a position.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to point fingers, but.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: When you move guys around like that and then all
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: of a sudden they start popping up with a bunch
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: of different injuries, it does bring up the fact that
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you're messing with everything right like you are. Now his
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: plant leg is different than his you know, his off
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: hands different from his main. It's like, we're messing it
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: all up. So when I hear that a guy that
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: keeps moving around the line as it gets a torn
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: achilles injury, I'm like, well, did you switch sides? And
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: then now you're pushing off the different foot, and so
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: you pushed off that foot and then all of a sudden,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: that foot's not used to being the foot that you're
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: pushing off of, and then boom, there goes the achilles.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Right Like, those things happen a lot. It happened with
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Isaiah Winn here. Remember he played right tackle in the
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: preseason and blew out his achilles switching side. So I
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: think if you can get him into a spot where
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: you're in the Patriots strength and conditioning program, and they
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: do an excellent job down there, you know, Frank Pirno,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Doc Whalen, they're some of the best in the business
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: at it, whether it's managing injuries, sports science, all that
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And you say to him tomorrow when
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: he comes in to sign the contract, you're playing left guard.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Get ready to play left guard. And that's where we're
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: putting you. And that's it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: That's where I stick right then, I think that that
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: can go a long way as well, because he's tried
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to just put out fires with the Jets.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: They've moved him all around.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: No, there is there is the you know, if you
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: want the optimistic side of the injury thing. They have
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a good history of this of their medical staff figuring
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: things out. Remember when they signed Hunter Henry. Yeah, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: he's kind of the you know, poster for this. He
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: had a lot of injury troubles with the Chargers. Now,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the Chargers medical staff has its history, yep. And he
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: came here and when he played that first full season.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I remember the press conference he did where he was
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: just like effusively praising the medical staff, the training staff,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning staff for changing the way he
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of operated. I remember he talked about
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: his workout plain he might have mentioned his diet, like
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff just kind of changed the way
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: he went about building up his body and maintaining his
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: body that he felt like allowed him to kind of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: dodge some of those injuries. Now, let's not to say
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they can do that for everybody. That's not to guarantee
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that that Vera Tucker is gonna come here and play
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: seventeen games. But they have proven to do this. And
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you look at the job they did last year and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: how little the Patriots deal with injuries last year, Like, you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Know, they've they've earned, they've earned, uh.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: They've earned us basically saying like maybe maybe they can
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: figure it out and fix it. There's always some luck
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that comes with injuries. It's just football, it's just sports.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But they've done a good job of managing these things
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the last few years.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, up next, Regie Gilliam, who you mentioned just now.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I love This is probably my favorite signing. And I
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: know that sounds crazy when they signed a starting guard
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: and a starting wide receiver and I'm telling you, the
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: full back is my favorite signing.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: Up.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: What are we doing this? This is a full back show.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: This is a pro full back show. And I think
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the whole thing about the full back to me. And
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: he's a really good one too, so that helps you know.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Like he's he's a you know, a high level full back,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit different than James Devlin. Not quite
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: like the sledgehammer that James Devlon is, but much more
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: athletic and has like a lot of more ability to
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: get out in space and.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Run and he's that kind of stuff.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: The big difference to me watching him, Like, so James
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: eviln was what six three right, yeah, So Reggie gill
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Gilliam's six foot two forty Yeah, Like he's a low
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: center of gravity, low.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Center of gravity, and he's very he he's so He's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: quick and he's explosive for a fullback, so when he
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: gets moving, he can generate a lot of momentum and
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: power simply, you know, by just converting the speed to power,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you know, like we talk a lot about with like
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: pass rushers and stuff like that, almost where he can
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: just create a car crash. The Bills used him in
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: all sorts of different ways in their zone, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: base run scheme, where either they're leading on outside zone
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: or they'd like wrap him up to the second level
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: on some of their wind back plays and things like that.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: But the biggest thing I would say with the full
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: back to me is actually more about like the concept
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: of a full back than it is the full back itself,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: and you just sort of have to have a fullback
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: that's good that allows you to get the defense kind
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: of react to the fact that you're in a full
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: back formation. So the big stat that stands out to
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: me with Regie gilliam is not actually the success that
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the Bills had with him rushing. They did lead the
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: league in rushing and James Cook was the rushing king
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: last year with him playing like twenty one percent of
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: the snaps. But the bigger thing to me was Regie Gilliam.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: They averaged almost nine yards per passe attempt when he
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: was on the field because the Bills would put Josh
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Allen under center. They put Gilliam in the eye with
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: James Cook behind him, and they would run play action
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and you're showing the defense run formation. You're showing them
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: run action where Gilliam's leading and James Cook's following, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: then now's carrying out the fake and it all looks
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: exactly the same as the run play that you just defended,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you know, two plays ago, and now all of a sudden,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: it's the run play, it's a play action pass. So
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the full back's ability to kind of sell the run
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and what that formation gives to you, especially when you
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: have a good full back and a better running game,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I think that all of that stuff marries together very nicely.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: And this is no disrespect to Jack Westover, but teams
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: just did not fear Jack Westover in that kind of way. Yeah,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: So with the Bills, you know, you see a lot
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: of things with Buffalo last year where they would load
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: up on heavy people. They'd be in like twenty two personnel,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: two tight ends, two backs, and really get heavy and
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: then they would run play action off of it, they'd
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: run spread formations off of it, where Gilliam would be
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: flexed out wide, and then you're creating matchups inside the
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: formation for guys like Shakir and the tight ends. Like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: there's just a lot of different formation things, a lot
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: of different you know, run game, pass game, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: play action sequencing that you can do when you have
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: a really good full back. There's blocking advantages to having
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a really good full back because unlike an on the
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: line player, like a tight end, a full back being
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: in the backfield, he has he can go both ways.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Kind of build services to the left or to the
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: right with the fullback. So it allows you to have
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: that kind of flexibility that that's all a long way
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: of saying, there's a lot of really good offense that
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: comes from just the concept of the fullback along with
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: having you know, what he can actually do as a blocker.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: So when you have a fullback that's an impact blocker
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: like Reggie Gilliam, it just allows you to do a
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: lot of different things.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: You know, we can get into sort of the Patriots.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Full back usage last year, how it wasn't so hot
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: plus it was a little bit less than what Josh
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: McDaniels has done in his history typically. I think we're
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: going to see that go right back up to almost
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: thirty percent near the top of the league now that
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: they have Gilliam. But this is an exciting signing and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I have there's special teams angles to it as well.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean plays on the special teams too, so
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: he'll help there. Now you covered a lot of it,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: just again having a guy that can do it, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: teams have to respect. I just Jack Westover never really proved,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you know, he could be consistent in that role. Now
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you have a guy that's done it for what five
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: years right in the NFL YEP. And it's it's an
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: investment to everybody yelled about it, you know, the team
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: ignoring Drake May. Is it the investment that a number
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: one wide receiver would be. No, But it's an investment,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: or reminder Stevenson, it's an investment, Trevan Henderson. They're going
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to have more of an ability to run the ball
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: between the tackles especially, They're gonna be able to develop
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: play action off of that. They're not gonna have to
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: be as predictable or as you know, one dimensional, I
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: should say, is a better term against some of these
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: better fronts that they're going to face.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: It's going to open things up in the pass game.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So and that doesn't mean he's going to do that personally,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: but it's just they They didn't have this dynamic last
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: year and for Josh McDaniels to really do what he
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: wants to do offensively the whole picture. You mentioned the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: rate being lower. Yes, I don't think that was McDaniels
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: wanting to use the fullback less. I think it's you know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you're not going to run something as much if you
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: don't feel like you can execute it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think they're going to go back to that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: It's going to allow them to be more multiple offensively,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: which is something we talked about last year that they
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: needed to do. It's good signing.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that people roll their eyes about in
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the waxing poetic about full back.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I'll admit it's sort of just my thing.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I would also say, just looking across the league and
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: not to do open this whole can of worms with you,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: but my guys, my my tight pantskys all use fullbacks.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan uses a full back.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel took alec Ingold with him from Miami to
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: the Chargers and told John Harbaugh or Jim with Jim Harbaugh, sorry,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I forget the Harbor gets get them confused. I told
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Jim Harribor, Hey, I need my full back like I
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: need gold, Like we gotta go get this guy, you know.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Like they they really are very creative with how they
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: use these guys these days. This is not three yards
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: in a cloud of dust we have a full back anymore.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Like this is a much more creative gene that they
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: can kind of use, or schematic thing that they can
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: kind of use to their advantage.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Just quick on the percentages.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniel's last year with the Patriots was about a
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: twenty two percent full back usage rate in terms of
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: just two back formation in Vegas in twenty one and
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: or twenty two and the Patriots in twenty one his
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: last his other two last full seasons as a play
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: caller there he was up over twenty eight percent. So
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: there's a six percent decrease and how much they used
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: the full back. My guess is that we're going to
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: see that go right back up. A big reason why
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: they were so unproductive. You know, out of those full
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: back they weren't unproductive. They passed the ball, okay, but
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: they broke even with the full back on the field.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: They were literally zero point zero zero EPA per play
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: right right, even like no no advantage, no disadvantage.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: It was just in the middle.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And that's a package.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: If you're going to use it, you expect it to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: be an advantage.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: The big reason why you know they were there is
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: because they couldn't run the ball out of it. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I hear a lot about how the Patriots run game
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: struggled at times.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Last year.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: They were twenty five fifth in the league in rush EPA.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Last year they were not a physical enough offense. Mike
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Rabels talked about being more physical on offense. He talked
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: to us about it at the combine and said, they
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: we need to be more physical.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: We need to get stronger, we need to lift, we need.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: To uh be able to you know, control the line
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage better and run the football. Uh that we
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: can say all those things and act at the part.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: And then they go and they sign a full back
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: and everybody was like, why are we wasting so much
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: time on a full back, right, It's like, well, you
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: if you want to get more physical and run the
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: ball better, then you need to get people that are
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: more physical and can help you run the ball better.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: And that's what these guys can do. You know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I'd say both of them, Barah Tucker and Reggie Gilliam
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I think both check boxes in that regard. So hopefully
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: that does improve their rush offense. Hopefully they become a
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: more physical rush offense hopefully and improves their play action
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: passing game, you know, as well as a as a
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: counter to that, and that's where you can generate a
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: lot of those explosive plays.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: All right, I've done enough. I've done enough.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I'm my soapbox about that one. H Draymond Jones, Yep,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: my feeling on Draymont Jones. And I think what's interesting
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: about Draymon Jones is that I was looking up all
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the metrics, right, pass rush, win rate, you know, PFF stuff,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: you know all that, all the good you know, nerd
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: stuff that that we look at. It's all like very
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: very comparable to kylevon Chase on like it's you know, both.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I think Chason had seven and a half sacks. Draymont
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Jones had seven in the regular season. Just to compare
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: apples to apples, Uh, Draymont Jones had fifty one quarterback
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: pressures Kaylevon Chase On was right around the same number
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: pass fresh win rate. It was like, Uh, Raymont Jones
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: is like forty sixth in the league out of eighty
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: qualified edge rushers. Calevon chase On was like forty fifth.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Their names were right next to each other, so in
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of ways. And I know Chase On just
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: signed with the Commanders, you know, I see this as
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: a kind of one for one replacement, sort of like
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: what they did with Romeo Dobbs and Stefan Diggs. You know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: we can talk a little bit more about, you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: how Draymon Joe wins and all that good stuff, But
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: just from a roster building standpoint, did you see it
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: the same way and just how they're they're kind of
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: just filling you know, shoes here right like one in
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: one out with Draymont Jones and Chase On.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, yeah, I mean they win differently, Like
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you said, Draymont Jones a little bigger.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: He's listed to eighty.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I know that there's some speculations not too eighty anymore.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: But he's bigger definitely than Chase On.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: More.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going with two sixty five. I feel like
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: that is.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Going to hold up a little better, I think against
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the run than Chase On. To me, Chase On was
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: like a boomer bus player. He's a flash flash player. Yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Draymont Jones is less flash, but he's not gonna get
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: beat as much as Chase On either. She's more steady,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: so you know, it goes against my thing about adding
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the playmakers on defense, but again I think just gives
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: you more even keel on the edge there.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, speed to power guy certainly that I would say
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: his his base, you know of his rush, but because
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: he's got decent speed to power, like a decent bull rush,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: he can you know, dip and use the ghost move
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and things like that to turn the corner and win.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: With peer speed coming off the edge.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: When I watched him, I didn't think of him as
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: like a big first step explosiveness guy.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: The metrics say that it's a he's about on par
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: not quite.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: As good as Landry in that regard, but Landry that's
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: kind of his thing, but basically on par with Chase
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: On in terms of like get off and all that
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But eye test wise, I I don't
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: see him as fluid as as those guys. I think
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: he's more of a rigid player. That probably goes back
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: to what you were saying about his size. You know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: he's just bigger than those guys in terms of weight,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: but a more powerful guy. I don't think he's necessarily
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: better against the run to be frank as Chase On like,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I think they're both kind of.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Does means like a plus run? Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: The one thing too that I wanted to talk to
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: you about about Jones is that he's really really good
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: at rushing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: At the three technique over the guard.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: His pass rush win rate, his pressure rate actually skyrockets
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: when you move him inside a little bit. Especially, you know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: he did a lot in Baltimore and their third down
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: fronts and things like that. We saw the Patriots try
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: to find ways for Keon White to play a similar
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: role where he had some inside outside versatility. They kind
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: of settled on while we have Christian Barmore and Milon
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Williams and these are game wreckers, like why would we
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: clog the middle, you know for these guys with a
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: third guy. I don't know if you're getting the best
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: out of Draymond Jones unless you find him some opportunities
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: to rush over the guard. Can you know, are they
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: going to be able to figure that out this time around?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Like if he's purely an edge player, you know, Chase
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: On was nine technique like outside the tackle, way outside
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: the tackle, like eighty five percent of the time last year. Yeah,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: like that that's the way he was playing, was outside
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: the tackle. I think this is a guy because of
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: his you know, his size and his history as a
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: three technique at Ohio State that has a little bit
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: more inside outside versatility that's just not necessarily something that
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: they've done a ton with their edgress.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Should we be looking.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: At him partially as a U Kiris Tonga replacement? Then
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in addition to Chase On, I.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Guess maybe on third down, I mean obviously, yeah, maybe
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: on third down or you know, like a Corey Durden,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe a little bit more explosive, a little
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: bit more dynamic.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Dirden to me is the guy that's replacing Tonga, right.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: So maybe Turdin goes to more and then so he
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: goes into the dur role.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe uh I just bring it up because I
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: do think that they had a Tweener type and Draymond
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Jones I wouldn't call up here tweener. I think that
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: he can play well enough to be outside on the
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: edge consistently and play starter snaps out there. But we
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: did the Tweeter thing with Keon White and it did
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: not work. They just could not find a fit for
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: him in this system. Now, Keon White was a legit
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: to eighty like that that that's a different kind of uh,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: you know, athlete than Draymond Jones, but just a you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I thought that I had in terms of ideally, I'd
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: like to see dre Amon Jones four or five times
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: a game, you know, rushing over the outside of the guard,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if they have four or five
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: rush opportunities to give to him unless you know, they
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: get really creative with their alignment on the defense.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: So it'd be interesting to see how they go about
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: fixing that. You know.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: There's some things that I like about his game too,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: in terms of how he works, like on games and
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: stunts and things like that. Up front, he's a really
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: physical player, really good at setting picks and you know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: bumping guys off of one another and things like that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: So I think that he can be disruptive.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And the Patriots were top five in the league last
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: year and how often they stunted their defensive line, They
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: did it a ton, So I think he's a productive
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: player in that way too.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So interesting signings.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: You know, a couple of things that I wanted to mention,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: you know that we have left over. I think you
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: know some of the other signings, what they signed kJ
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Britt that just got reported on a couple of minutes ago.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: We can hit on that.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: You know, Jesse Luketta obviously was a pre pre agent signing,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: pre free agent signing. But the one thing I wanted
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: to kind of set the table on and then we'll
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: open it up to the calls and emails, is just,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: you know, where do they go from here? And I
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: think the two big spots that we're all looking at.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I agree wholeheartedly that, you know, depth on the offensive line.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: You know, they obviously got to hit offensive tackle at
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: least once more probably in the draft, but they got
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: to start planning ahead and all that kind of stuff
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: on the offensive line. Yeah, but we're all we're all
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: zeroed in. I feel like on EDG drusher and wide receiver.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Right, let me ask you this talking about going ahead,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: because I've used this kind of as the barometer for
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: did they do what I wanted them to do coming
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: out of free agency? And look, there's still we gotta
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: see what happens with Jayalen Hawkins. I'll throw that adendum
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: on it. But I don't know. This is just me
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: thinking out loud. You tell me, I feel like the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: longer it goes, the better chance he's back. I don't
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: think there's much of a market for safety is given
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: what's in the draft. My kind of like, I don't
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: think it's where they had to get. But you know
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: what I would consider a good free agency period, Right,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Are they in a place where they can draft Blake
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Miller thirty first overall? Yeah, and like get by with that,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that they have to fill every
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: need between now and then. There are other needs that
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: they can fill in the draft, but are like realistic
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: draft feels like take tight end, right, you don't need
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to take that guy at thirty one. You probably shouldn't
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: be taking that guy at thirty one. Sadiq's not gonna fall.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's anybody else on the.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Board as worth taking that high. But like you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: when they cut digs, it's like, okay, so they they're
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: gonna need a receiver. They will need a receiver. You know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: they had jobs. They still could use more, but you
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: can get by if thirty one is not a receiver.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: You know, guard was another one they could They're obviously
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: good at that position now, so Blake Miller would be
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: when's the last time we could talk about the making
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a luxury pick with their first round pick.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I don't need a minute. It's been a minute, but
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: we're not in luxury pick territory.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Well I think Blake Miller would be a luxury pick. Yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and I don't think we're in there, So you don't
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: think they're there, okay now, because they might be.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I think they're close.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I think that the two positions that we're looking at
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, there was news this morning that it
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: sounds like they're going to release Anthony Jennings as well.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: So right now their edge rusher depth chart is Jones,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: who's gonna play like Draymond Jones signed a good contract
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: and is going to be a starter for this team.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Harold Landry if he can get his knee right and
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: get himself healthy. Elijah Ponder, who I think that they
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: like and are clearly high on. But I think Elijah Ponder,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: you're hoping as an undrafted rookie, is a rotational player
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: and a rotational pass pressure at that Braden Swinston, who
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: we just didn't see a ton of last year, was
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: up and down the roster pretty much, whether it was
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: you know, practice squad to start and then fifty three
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: towards the end of the season. And Luketta, who I
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: think is you know, again a low level signing, right
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: that a low level depth signing. So if we're just
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: assuming that they're one for one with Calebon, Chase on
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: and and Draymond Jones, they really haven't made any progress
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: at edge and it's a great edge class, so I mean,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: they have that in their back pocket. I don't think
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: they're going back to Max Crosby, Like, I don't think
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: that thing is happening. So they we had the conversations
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: a start free agency that they kind of need a
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: dude in the pass rush off the edge. They still
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: kind of need that dude, like they don't have that yet,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: And I think we can make the same argument about
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: receiver like they and I'll lump tight end in there.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just more reluctant about tight end in the draft
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: being a day one impact type of player because that
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: doesn't happen very often, especially when you're not drafting him high.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: And just this board doesn't like that guy doesn't exist
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: in this.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Draft, right, Like you know you're not drafting Tyler Warren
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: or Colston Lovelin that's going to come in and have
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: a year one impact. I guess Sam Laporta had a
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: year one impact as a as an a second round pick,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: but those are rare.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: But that position what I'm.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Saying about, like the Blake Miller thing, like they do
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: need another tight end. I'm comfortable with them getting that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: guy on day two. We could debate edge, like if
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you want them to go higher end than yeah, they can't.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: If you like the depth of this class and you
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: think they can get a real guy on day two,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: like there's you can make the case for it, is
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: my point. It doesn't mean they should go ahead and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: do it, but like, are they at a point where
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you can make the case for Blake Miller but you
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: still sound out on that? You sound like you want
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the first because I don't.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I don't see how else you get impact players at
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: those times that even well what I mean, even if
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: it's trading.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: The edge player will okay, So that's fair, you know,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: like either way.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: It just like using the thirty first overall pick as
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: an asset. I think you need to move the needle
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: with that pick like that, And I know that's maybe
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: easier said than done when you're picking at the end
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: of the first round, But when you go into some
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: of the strengths of the draft in terms of like
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: where the depth is, you know, I think that is
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: doable at edge rusher that you could get, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: a Mesador, a cash As Howell, a player that's going
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: to come in right away and make an impact later
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: on in the first round.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Does that receiver exist, I don't know.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Because they took you know, they take Romeo Dobs off
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: the board in free agency. I think that that makes
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Omar Cooper junior case he can set if they were
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: there at thirty one, a little bit redundant. I would
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: say to a guy like Romeo Dobs, like you're really
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: looking for the Chris Brassel of the world, right, Like
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the big outside guy that can stretch the field. It's
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: a little rich to take him at thirty one, but
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: can you manipulate the board and figure that out?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe? I guess this is all me just saying.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I still think at thirty one you need a year
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: one impact kind of sign, you know, transaction, whether that's
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: trading the pick for aj Brown, drafting an edge rusher there, uh,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: finding a way to make it make sense at wide
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: receiver there, you know, all those different things. I don't
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: think they're in a position where they're red shirting first.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Round pick fair enough.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: So those two spots are definitely the big one. I
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: think tight end is like a third, sneaky one. Yeah,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: that's you know, right there with it, especially after you
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: know Austin Hooper going back to Atlanta. They really have
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: no depth at that position behind Hunter Henry right now,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: no at least NFL caliber depth. So whether it's going
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: out there and signing, you know, there's not a lot
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: left in free agency. But you know, I'm not a
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: big chickaqo quo guy. But we're three days into free agency,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: so you can't.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd still take unless he I tried to
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: catch up when I was driving down here David Joke,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: who still don't signed.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so that's the one that I think makes
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of sense just from the connection with Rabel
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: and Ashton Grant and the Cleveland people and that are
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: in this organization.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I'm still here even than Joke was older, so was
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf Like's twenty nine. Maybe.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's where I'm at at tight end. I'm honestly
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: okay at this point if they just do tight end
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: in the draft, I don't know that that needs Like,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I don't I'm wrong if they signed David Joku, solid signing,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: but yeah, the whole point they're supposed to be getting younger,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: getting the next guy in for Hunter Henry and David
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Joke who's entering his age thirty season, so he's not
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: older than Hunter Henry, but he's not young either. Like,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you're not talking about a guy who's gonna play for
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: five or six years. So if you're gonna sign him
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: or Chicka konk Wo, you still need to get the
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: younger guy, which I'd like to see them take relatively
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: high top one fifty, but now that guy's buried, I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: don't know. Am I nuts for thinking? Like if CJ.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Dupreze the third tight end. I'm fine with that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying no, if you and they use.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: A top one hundred pick on Sam Rousch or Oscar
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Delp in your room next year, is Hunter Henry that
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: rookie and then maybe you draft a guy later, or
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: you bring in a lower level free agent to complete
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: with to compete with dupre for the third spot, for
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: all the other things they have to do. I think
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that's a fine room. I think that's that would be
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: enough for me.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: So I think the concern is and again I I'll
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: concede that this is the recent history is a little
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: bit better, yeah, than the long term history. But historically speaking,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: because of all the run and pass game responsibilities on
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: a tight end shoulders, it is a slow developing position.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: So if you're drafting a rookie, and you're especially if
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: you're drafting a rookie, uh you know at sixty three
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: or ninety five or something like that, that's you know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: further down the draft the expectation of him really being
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: a contributor as a rookie is not very high.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: But again, this is somebody They're not gonna be the
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: top tight end. It's still gonna be Hunter Henry. Yeah,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: and yeah, so you want to get that guy in
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: so that you know Hunter Henry's kind of year to
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: year at this point. I would think, right, he's in
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: a contract year.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it depends on who it is. Like
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: if it's somebody that I've.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: See talking about drafting, like a legit tight end has
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: some real upside, then sure. So again, the two names
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I gave you, Delp and assuming his foot sealed and
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: he's healthy, Delp and Roush would be the two that
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I would consider for that spot. Sure, or if they
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: want to go really nuts Max Claire.
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna take guy that high,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: but he would fit that. I think about taking somebody
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: in the sixth round.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Right now, I know I would. I think I would
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: feel better.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Uh. You know, I'm glad you brought up in Joku
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: with like an Njoku signing plus drafting one of those.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: But I don't know because but if they sign in joke,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want them to draft the tight end in
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the top one hundred.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Why because that guy's not gonna play.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I why not, Like if you just
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: is better than inn Djoku then why not.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be I don't think he's gonna better than
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: a joking for you probably paying Joku like that would
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: be a beat. Then then then why are you signing
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: a Joku.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Because you're gonna sign in Joku to like a one
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: year contract as like somebody that is a backstop if.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: That's what you think he's getting.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: By all means, I mean, I feel like his market
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: should be bigger than that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: It's Wednesday of free agency. What kind of market do
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: you think he's gonna have. If he was gonna have
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: this like huge market, then he would have already if.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: It's a one year deal and it's two A to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: B with him as a rookie. By that's kind of
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: what I said, you get all right, if it's not c. J. Dupree,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you signed somebody compete with him. I was thinking more
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: like a you know who's still available, like Tyler Higbee
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: kind of guy.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel like I just wouldn't necessarily count
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: on a rookie tight end.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Adam Troutman.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: You're stilling on Adam Trutn.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I was in the draft.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: You were a big and remember yeah.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I was a Day two pick at tight end, especially
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: where their day two picks are, Like, I just wouldn't
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: put all my eggs in the basket of that guy
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: is gonna be.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: You know, now in in the league.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Now, Like that's that's a big role, the second tight end,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Like you're you're playing two tight ends in an NFL
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: offense these days twenty five thirty percent of the time,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: you know, most likely like that, that's a that's not
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: an insignificant role. And I just don't know if I
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: would put all that on a rookie.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: And but you're.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Saying, sign a guy and then have him be behind
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the rookie.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: If the rookie's better, then yeah, yeah, but I'm not.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I's getting a one year deal.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Fine, yeah, I.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Mean it doesn't even necessarily have to be in Joku.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: We don't have to get bogged down by the Djoku.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Of it all.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Like just saying, like a serviceable veteran tight end, even
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: if you want to say it's in like the Austin Hooper,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: like I think in djoku's a better player than Austin Hooper. Like,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: but yeah, even if it's in like that Austin Hooper.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Realm me, you mentioned Tyler Higbee like somebody like that.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: I just need an NFL tight end that's in that
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: room that's not you know, somebody like CJ. DePree who
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: didn't play as a rookie, as an undrafted guy, and
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: a third round pick like that, to me just isn't
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: quite enough, especially with Hunter Henry's age, his injury history,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: some of the slumping with his blocking last year.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm giving the rookie class or
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the team too much credit for developing that guy.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: But it's a quick development at that position.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I the position. You didn't mention his safety,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: which I've said that, even if they keep Jalen Hawkins,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I still want them to add like a legit third
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: safety so they can do more three safety stuff if
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: they lose him. You're not talking about a starter. You're
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: not talking about a guy that's probably gonna.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Be on the field sixty What how much Hawkins played
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: last year? All?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Seventy eighty percent of the time.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I want to say, was it more because a lot
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Woodson didn't come off the field? Yeah? Woodson was hawks
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: of ninety last year. Wow?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, yeah, So you're talking about you know
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: that that if they even say.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: If they lose Hawkins, I guess is they'll pivot in
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: free agency's signing a NFL caliber player.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, that goes to the top of
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the needs if they lose Hawks.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I I just bringing you.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I know there's some chatter on Twitter about like Nick
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Cross or like somebody like that. You know, I'm sure
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: if they if they lost Hawkins, I'm sure they would
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: pivot to signing a start to.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: See them add another safety on top of that though.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, but they can do that in the third or
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: fourth round. They don't have to do that using a
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: lot of Day two picks.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Now, what do you mean we're gonna draft an edge rusher,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: wide receiver with the first pick. Whichever position you don't
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: take with the first pick is probably going to be
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: your second.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: We need to take a second round receiver.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: It depends on the skill set. Like if you know,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. If you know, we
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: can play the game, who's going to be there, who's
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: not going to be there?
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: But if you're talking about a guy that can win
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: on the outside and has some field stretching ability, then
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: I think you still need to add that, Like, I know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: we're all hoping that that can be Kyle Williams, and
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams is in a crowded room last year behind
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: veteran players, if you want to use that as an excuse.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: But the track record of guys that caught ten catches
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: as a rookie then going on to having a great
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: NFL career is not very good, you know, like just
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: being honest, like it's not you know, there's a reason
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: why the five fifty club exists, right, Like that's you know,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: the barometer for rookie receivers being you know, big time
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: players in the league. It doesn't happen very often if
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: they're not you know, instantly contributing to a team. So
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I guess you're putting a lot
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: of credence in Kyle Williams, Kyshan Boody not having any
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: like catch point regression, you know, like he had a
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: lot of kind of crazy, you know, uh, contested catches
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: last year. Mac Hollins like having the same level of
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: juice of doing that you know sort of thing as
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: a bigger receiver on the outside. It's just I think
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: you need to start you need to keep looking for
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: ceiling at that position, and the only way that you're
• 52:39
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• 52:40
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• 52:43
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  Speaker 12: Let's say in free agency they continue bringing in players,
• 56:20
  Speaker 12: bring back Hawkins, a safety, get another edge like Arnold Abikiti,
• 56:26
  Speaker 12: and then bringing tight end and David joke in the
• 56:30
  Speaker 12: draft at thirty one? Would you go with Chris Brazil Junior.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Who is the second one? Sorry?
• 56:40
  Speaker 12: So bringing in na Jokeu for tight end? Yeah, and
• 56:45
  Speaker 12: bringing in Abikiti for another edge, and bringing in safety
• 56:53
  Speaker 12: Hawkins like bringing back Hawkins. So those those are the
• 56:55
  Speaker 12: free agents were let's say that that happens. We're looking
• 56:59
  Speaker 12: at thirty one? Are you thinking, okay, well, we need
• 57:02
  Speaker 12: a big speed receivers. That's that's our need. So does
• 57:07
  Speaker 12: Chris Basel Junior like match?
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: That?
• 57:09
  Speaker 13: Is that the guy you would go with if he's there?
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: God, thanks for the call, Sean. Yeah, I think you
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: know all those free agents are possible. I wouldn't be
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: surprised if they added one more edge guy, you know,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: just to as depth. Uh, you know, we talk about
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: this a lot, like you don't want to get to
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: the draft and have a glaring need on the roster
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: where you're forced to take a certain position. Now, wide
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: receiver might be treading in that direction just because of
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: supply and demand, Like they just don't be come available
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: in free agency. Right if aj Brown and that trade
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: has fallen through, and I'm not saying it has, but
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: if it has, then you have you're really left with
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: no other choice but to try to keep throwing darts
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: in the draft, and that that's just the nature of
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: that position. Nine times out of ten, those guys get
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: traded or they get drafted. They don't hit free agency,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: as we see every single year. So Chris Brasel, you know,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm a big fan of his, you know,
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: just base off of where he was before the combine,
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: and you don't want to you don't want to count
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: the forty twice like you already knew he was fasty,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: so you don't want it now all of a sudden
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: and say, oh, well, you know he ran a four
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: to three, So now he's a Now he's you know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: a first round pick when most boards had him what
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: like maybe fringe top fifty, you know, going into the combine.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: But if you want him, he's not going to make
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: it to your your second round pick. Yeah, So if
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: you want him, then yeah, you have to take him
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: that higher. I don't that's a tough one for me
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: because I like the player, but it does feel a
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: little bit rich for you know, the profile, Like I
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: think that there are some question marks, especially you know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: just the history of that Tennessee offense in those ways.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you move down a little bit. But
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: the thing is, those guys are going to start going fast,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: right if I think Denzel Boston's going to be off
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the board when they pick, yeah, But if if Boston
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and concept you own are gone, and then you're assuming
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Tate Lemon and Tyson are gone, well, now there's probably
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be a run early on day two between Omar
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Cooper Brasel. You know, I don't know how teams WI
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: ultimately feel about Zach Ryan Branch, but like they're gonna
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: start to go.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're gonna have to.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're It's not that you're not getting
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: him at sixty two. I don't know that you're realistically
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: moving up from sixty two without giving up the future first.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: But you don't want to do definite wouldn't give up
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the future first to move up and get brazzle.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you if throw a few names at
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: you and well, let's just let's just brainstorm live on
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: the air here.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Jerry Bernard I like, but he feels more
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: of like a Z. Yeah he dobs wrong.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that he's quite a true X
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: or really what we're looking for. Two names that you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: kind of stand out to me that I've watched recently.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: I think that we would be talking about Chris Bell from.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Louis Don't do this to me, don't it is?
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: It would have been so easy for him to be
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: the guy at thirty one. It would have made all
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: or he would have pushed Denzel Boston down. It would
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: have made all the sense in the world. That sucks
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: that he got hurt.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, so he got hurt. He tours ACL late lately,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: very late December. Yeah, I have it right here. December
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: or November twenty second was the date that he tore
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: it sure.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I thought that was in December. November twenty second was
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: the day he tore it.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: So he Chris Bell gets hurt at the end of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: the college football season. I think it was the last
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: last game that Louisville played in the regular season.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they probably went to a bowl, right,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Louisville's decent. Yeah, I mean he was right. So Chris
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Bell gets hurt. I watched two CHRISP. Bell games.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: I've watched Miami and Clemson, so too are pretty good competition.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Well, Clemson sucks this year, where the corners are still good.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: He took two crossing routes, caught him in stride, and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: took them both to the house from like forty plus
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: yards out, and you just see like the run after
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: catchability and the explosiveness and you're like, whoa. You know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: this guy's like destroying angles in the open field with
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: the ball in his hands. There's big concerns about you know, injury.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Obviously it happened lately late in the season last year,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: so you don't know if he's gonna contribute in twenty six.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: All those things aside, Uh, you know, we just watched
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Stefon Diggs come back quickly from an ACL and be
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: ninety five percent Stefon Diggs.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, said, but he's also Stefan Diggs. Or he was
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: doing this after years experience in the league. Yeah, been
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: in a similar ruck.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Okays before all fair?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: My question I feel facilitation here is as a Day
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: two pick, as a team that is not looking for
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: just another wide receiver. Three to use that praseology, you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: are looking for ceiling ceiling ceiling at that position. You
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: need to hit a home run at that position. Is
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: it worth the risk to say again on day two
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: not at thirty one? On day two, we are just
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: gonna this is a first round talent that we're getting
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: on day two of the draft. Because he blew out
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: his knee late in last year in the college football season.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: We're just gonna We're gonna bank on him being healthy
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: and being the same guy.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Not where he's going to go. I think he's still
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: might go top fifty. You think he's still gonna I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: still think he might go top I guess it depends
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: on Like I.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Mean, let's let's say we're essentially talking about another I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: guess it's not as bad because it's not the track record,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: But we're kind of talking about another Malcolm Mitchell the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: type situation.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he doesn't have a debilitating the injury.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Well, but you know, like these things can can change, right,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: It's just to me, it's got me a diet PEPSI.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: You you when we were.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Talking before about Kyle Williams, and you mentioned like the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: track record of these guys having success their first year.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Even if he does play as a rookie, he's not
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: going to get mini camp, training camp. He's these throwing
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: sessions in with Drake May. You know, he's not going
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: to get as immersed in the offense as he probably
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: needs to rite away. We've seen this with other receivers
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: that have come here, have gotten hurt in the spring
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: and summer, miss time in OTA's, miss time in training camp,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: and never really caught up. Now, maybe those weren't the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: most talented players to begin with, but it definitely impacted
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: their development. So my my ceiling for Chris Bell for
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, if you want to trade up into like
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: the seventies or eighties from ninety six, that's where you
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: can start to sell me on Chris Bell fun player
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: again if he was and part of it, I gotta
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: be consistent, explosive. I didn't want Josh Simmons last year. Yeah,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't think they're in position to take that risk.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm the reason why I bring it up is
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: because I think they're more in that position.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: They're more in that position if it here's the if
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: he played another position, I might be more inclined. Okay,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I I what part of it is the wide receiver
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: and just the way it works working at and.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Sure you sound in on this, Yeah, I am, because
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: I think that I keep coming back because he was
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: gonna be my.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Ceiling.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: They need they we do not need them to draft
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: another uh you know, complimentary third receiver. They have five
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: of those, right Like, they don't need any more of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: that middle.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: That's why I said to you, soo do you take
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Why are you taking wide receiver?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: On day two? I just look at this.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Group and this is assuming that you know, Mike guy
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Brazzle is off the border, kind of in that doughnut
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: range of like he's not good enough at thirty one,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: but he's not gonna make it to sixty five. I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: just look at this day two group and now I
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: look at I'm kind of taking the slot Z type
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: of guys out because they just paid Romeo Dobbs a
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: crap ton of money to play that rung.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: That's a fair assumption.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna take those guys out, and I'm just
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: gonna look at explosive down the field guys. Now, I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: think Chris Bell is more explosive with the ball in
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: his hands, like catch and run explosive than he is
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: like true vertical explosive.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: But I think he's good at the catch point though
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: he's explosive. He's a big play dude. I talk stronger
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: on offense.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: They need upside, they need they need high level talent,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: they need ceiling at that position.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: And yeah, you might have to take on a little
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: bit of an injury risk.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: But and I know you're gonna say what you said
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: about digs and these are proven guys and I get that. Yeah,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: medicine is a little bit of a different animal, like
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: it just is. You know, I watched the Von Diggs
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: come back from an acl in like nine or ten months. Uh,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: you know you knew I was gonna bring this up
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: at some point. I will just I'm watching Jason Tatum
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: play ten months after tearing in.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: A different sports, so I'm just saying I just wanted
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: to mention Jason Tatum.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Of course, I'm just saying good that we're talking about
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: maybe a different like we're in the modern twenty twenty
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: six medicine here where like a CLS or no, this
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: isn't Willis mcgahey.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: So if I'm nuts first saying I expect Chris Brahel
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: to develop into Stephan Diggs production. Yeah, and uh or
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: sorry if I'm if I'm not just saying I expect
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs to develop in to Stephan Diggs production. And
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Dobbs has proven seven undred almost sven hundred fifty in
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: the NFL. People, Oh, now I'm supposed to expect some
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: kid coming off a torn ACL to step in and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: do that with limited practice time, Like I just I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I I don't. I might take the bet on the upside,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: you know what, I yeah, but what realistically when is
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: that upside hit.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty eight?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I don't know.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: If he misses this year, if he's really that good,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: if he misses this year, if he's really that good.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: He's that good, we don't know. It's a tough adjustment
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: from college to the pros. We don't know.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: He has no proven NFL. I like Chris Bell. I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: hate that they're making me do this.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: I like Chris Ball.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: You're the guy that turned me onto this. I would
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: just rather some other team take the risk of this point. Okay,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: trust me. If he was healthy, I would be sitting here,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Saint Chris Bell at thirty one. Next question, Okay, but
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I think you have to consider that.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, let me throw a few more names at you
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: in this kind of role. The other guy that I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: keep seeing a lot that people are Patriots fans Patriots
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: Twitter is Jacoby Lane from usc And I'll say this
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: part about Jacoby Lane and then we'll get into the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: stuff that makes Jacobe Layane intriguing. Dan Brugler put a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: tweet out there that I thought was interesting in the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: reply to a Patriots fan about Jacoby Lane. This is
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Dan Burglar's reporting, not mine. Dame Brugler said, doesn't feel
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: like he's a Rabel type of player, which tells me toughness, effort,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: and finish. Is he one of these guys that pulls
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: his hamstring and you know I'm hert coach, you know,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: like like one of these types of things. That's what
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: it tells me, because I don't think that he's a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: There's nothing about Jacobe Lane that spells that he's like
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: a bad dude or anything like that, right, So I
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: think that this is more about play demeanor, like football
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: play demeanor that doesn't really scream vable Now. At the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: same time, enormous catch radius, like one of the biggest
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: catch radius is in the draft, great hands highlight reel catches.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: I think the one thing that scares me a little bit,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Natural hands catcher by the way, too, like can pluck
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: the ball outside of his frame, bring it in all
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: sorts of different things. We saw him in the Gauntlet drill,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: like under the gauntlet drill, smooth as silk. The one
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: thing that I think, you know stands out though, is
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: he's got a little bit of that like Aaron Dobson
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Nikhil Harry, Like all of his highlights are these one
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: handed catches, but there's no step.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: What's in between them?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like okay, like this is a
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: great highlight reel receiver. But you know the consistency there
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: of consistently separating, especially once the routes get further down
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: the field, Like, is he a guy that with his
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: size and with his radius can be like a slant
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: winner and stuff like that.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Could probably do that. He's gonna win jump balls. He's
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: gonna war win you know, a handful of jump balls
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: a season. But we've seen that type of movie before,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: like we know where that sometimes goes. It's why I
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: have reluctance with a guy like Malachi Fields from Notre Dame,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Like where do you stand right now on Jacobe Lane?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Because I think this is another guy that a lot
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: of people I keep seeing as like the day to
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: guy right now in this like bigger receiver mold.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know somebody that big you'd like to see
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: get off the line a little better too.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I agree with you. He's a builder
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: of speed. He's he's not a he's a he's a train.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: If you, if you can drink, make make it work
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: with a guy that's just fifty to fifteen can make
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: that work regularly.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: I understand it.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: But he's gonna have I don't know, you know, when
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the X, you're talking about a guy
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be on the field. What seventy eighty percent
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: of the snaps a lot.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kishan Boodi was on the field of front.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Do you trust him to give you what you need
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: in that volume? He's probably more of a situational player.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: I think early on in his career he's probably like
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: matchup red zone guy, where like, yeah, if you were
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: playing a team that has a bunch of small corners
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: and you just feel like you can get him on
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: one of those guys and he just can moss the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: corner down the field or it's red zone and you're
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: trying to you know, throw him a fade or high
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: point fade or use his size and things like that,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: you know, they need to improve their red zone offense.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I think Romeo Dodson Gilliam actually helped in both those regards.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe something we didn't necessarily mention is that Romeo Dobbs
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: to mention that, yeah, has like seventeen red zone touchdown relays. Yeah,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: really good red zone player, really good playoff player so
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: far in his career with Dobbs. So maybe they already
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: did a little bit of that, But I just thought
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: bringing him up was important because he's Yeah, I keep
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: seeing his name everywhere.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Where you're at Ted Hurst, So I need to watch
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: more of Ted Hurst. Uh A spoiler shocker.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Georgia State Film is not very prevalent in the underground
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: uh draft film market. Uh they also YouTube. Uh you
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: know we're on YouTube right now. So I should be
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: careful with this. But at the same time, like they
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: keep on like copywriting all of like the draft, you're you're.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Only looking for the big time opponents he played. So
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: I would look where you find just pulling up their schedule.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I'd look where you find Old miss in Memphis film.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I could try that. And Vanderbilt there's two guy, him
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: and Skyler Beller are the two guys.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Either give up seventy to Vanderbilt.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: I have a request, you know, with my people about
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: trying to find film on those guys. You would think
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: I could just go down the hall and ask, but
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I do like Skyler bell I guess he makes less
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: sense now with Romeo Dobbs, but he's a good player.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know the other guys you know that I've
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: watched recently, Like I I like Antonio will Let's bring
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: that recency bias player. I like Antonio Williams from Clemson.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: But that's just not what they need right now. You
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: know he's a shifty slot receiver. You know, a lot
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: of different things going on there with him, recency, biased players.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I've been pretty free agency heavy this week.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: So i.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Haven't done a ton of of God.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: I'll give you one though, and I'm gonna butcher his
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: last name because I'm just terrible with names. Uh is
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: it Jackus Gabe Jackis acis Ares. The jay is silent,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a soft jay jogging.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: No Ja Jakis, no Acus, The jay is silent, Gabe
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Akus Gabe Acus from Illinois.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: That guy is a dude. Is He's mean, He's nasty,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: he is a Yeah, he just wants to bring his
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: You know, he wants to bring the fight to you.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: He wants to hurt you. Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I like he wants he wants to make people talk
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: about the day they faced gave Akis.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: You talk about fear and every finish right like you
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: talk about guys that played to the whistle and play physical, Uh,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: stand up outside linebacker two Like that kind of fits
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: their mold. If I don't know where ex like he
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: might be like an early day Day two pick. It
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: might be kind of like fringe second third round. Yeah,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: but he maybe top fifty.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: He was fun.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: I mean I wrote down you know, just rugged, like rugged, splash,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: plays like all over the that.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Team leader thing too. He's supposed to be great in
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: a room.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fun player.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I think he gets more violent just watching him, because
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: he really broke out last year.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I think in another draft we're talking about him as
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: like a sleeper pick a thirty one.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: In this draft, no, because there's so much depth at edge, right,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: But in another draft he gets some buzz like he's
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: the guy everybody's talking about. Is like, you know, nobody's
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: considering in the first round. And again he won't get
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: that this year, but he's a Yeah, I'm a big
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: fan of his.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a lot of fun to watch. I
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: mean some of the words that I just wrote in
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: my notes.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: You know, rugged, violent, you know just bully Will is
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: to just not just take on blocks, but play through blocks,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: like he's trying to go through a poller, Like he's
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: you know, that's not just a guy that's just looking
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: to sort of survive the fight there.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: He's trying to bring the fight to you. Just feels
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: like a rable type of player.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna be in a reasonable
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: range for them if they.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Don't go edge in the first round.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: I think, and maybe they trade up a little bit,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: but with the way they've talked about their need at edge,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not rolling that out. Yeah, Like no, I think
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: he could be in realistic range for them, especially if
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: some of these other guys ahead of them, you know,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: if if height falls because of his size, and if
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: you know, Casius Howell takes a little bit of a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: dip because of his arm length and Zion Young And that's.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: My big draft take with this class. Yeah, Ruben Bain's
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: going to be fine. Yeah, Rubin Bain's going to be
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: a top five, top ten pick. He's going to go
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: exactly where he would have gone regardless of the arm length.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: The guy to me that's gonna slip because of the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: measurables is cash is Well.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: The other thing too, is just see this. Sometimes when
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: it's a great class at a position, right, guys end
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: up going later because teams kind of know in the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: back of their head, well, if I don't get this
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: guy here, there's still talent down the board, and so
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: everybody kind of waits. So I'm not running that out.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I give you a RECNCY player for you. So I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: this is a TBD take. I don't know if I'm
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: saying the Patriot should pick this guy yet, I am
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: just interested because he is interesting. Okay, it's a running back.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna assume you haven't watched him. Day three
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: player Adam Randall from Clemson. So he was a receives,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: a converted receiver.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I probably saw him when I was watching the receiver
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: from Clemson.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Well, he is a converted receiver six three, two thirty two,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: and he still doesn't he's still learning how to play
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: running back. But he's got great burst take on contact.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Obviously he's a plus in the past game.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: You so desperately you love them drafting running backs every year.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I think they need a running back every year. You're
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: un we just did.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: He was their third running back. You laughed at me
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: for saying that.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 13: It was.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Rmandra Stevenson on a big high tracked and they just
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: drafted Trevon Henderson in the second right. So the many
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: more running backs do you want them to invest?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: You need three?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Did you not see what happened last year?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we can go in there we have four
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: six round picks. You can use one of those on
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: a running.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: That's where Adam Randall's supposed to go.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Go okay, I'm off your chase, go ahead.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: So well, I just kind of told like he's a
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: converted receiver. Yeah, so you can move him all around
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: the formation.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Josh likes to do that. Yeah, he's six three two
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: thirty so he so the Navy kid is more like
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: lighter and quicker than that. Yeah.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's got like he's X receiver profile. But
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: he's lining up in the backfield and he stills to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: learn how to play running back. But if you can
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: teach him how to hit a hole, and he's hitting
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: the hole at that size returns, yes, actually very good
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: kick returner.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: So this is Cordero Patterson, is what you're telling me.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Not as talented, obviously, you know it's.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Not a boat.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: He ran a four or five forty. I'd like to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: be a little faster, but like I you're you're in
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: the ballpark.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nailed it. Okay, I just watch him all right,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: you won't. Well, so now you want Reggie Gilliam leading
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: the way on.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: The kickoff return for Clemson running Randall Adam Randy.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: That could be fun house calls. That could be pretty fun.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Solid it done, kickoff return a four or five shuttle. Okay,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: that's that's okay for that size. Patty's an aquam. What's up, Patty?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Jens.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: He so?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 13: I'll go over a few things. First thing, real quick.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 13: I love Akis. He has a wrestling background, so he
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 13: understands leverage and he knows how to throw his weight around.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 13: I would love him. There's a few guys I love,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 13: But just regarding free agency, I would I wouldn't mind
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 13: signing Chig Conquo because I think we're gonna need to
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 13: find a like that, that f type tight end to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 13: replace Hunter Henry. Like you said, this is the last
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 13: year of his contract. Who knows if he ends up
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 13: coming back. Evan, I might be with you and Eldred,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 13: I might be all in on just say and screw
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 13: it and take Brazil at thirty one because you need
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 13: that guy, you need that big, that big X receiver.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 13: I'm with you, guys. I don't think Denzel Boston going
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 13: to be there, and I mean it from watching him,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 13: like I took away a lot of stuff that you
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 13: said him. And he just seems to understand For a
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 13: guy that big and fast, he seems to understand route
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 13: spacing maybe better than a lot of these big receivers
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 13: that we see coming out. And he didn't have the
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 13: best quarterback playing Tennessee last year. And I'll end with
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 13: a question, Alex, I was in on Blake Miller last
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 13: year when I thought he was coming out, when he
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 13: was going to be like a day two pick. I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 13: would love Blake Miller at thirty one. I don't think
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 13: he'll be there. But have you watched any of Austin Barber.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 13: He played predominantly left tackle with Florida, but he's built
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 13: more like what we would what the Patriots would use,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 13: like a right tackle. He's like six foot six, six
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 13: foot seven, like like three fifteen, three twenty. I just
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 13: want to know, if you've watched any of them, if
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 13: you think he could be like maybe a good project
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 13: guy like with like the round three pick or possibly
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 13: if he falls into the four and I'll take it
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 13: off their guys.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks pat thanks for the call. Any familiarity with Yeah,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: I mean he's in that. You know he is different
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: than Blake Miller, Like he's a day three. He's a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: project guy like I've talked about Emil Wagner. He's kind
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: of around that range. I know, some people like kge
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Casey from Boise State, A world from Morgan. He's one
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: of those tackles that's maybe too tall for his own
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: good mate's older. Yeah, so I mean looks as a date.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't take him in the third round.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Is a day three picks? Is a developmental right tackle? Yeah? Sure,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: throw him the mix. Yeah, I remember, and I'm sure
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: he won't mind me telling this.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: I was talking to Sebastian Volmer, who does a lot
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: of work for our German side of things here now,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: and it's cool. A couple of years ago we were
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: at the Combine and it was right before the Patriots
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: went to Germany in twenty three, I want to say,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: so he was doing a lot of stuff with our
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: content team and I got a chance to kind of
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: just chat with him one night at dinner and he
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: mentioned that, you know, he was Volmer, I want to say,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: was like six seven maybe six likes right, like good
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: height for a tackle, but not not yeah right, not
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: a skyscraper, right, And he said that like a guy,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: like a guy like Nate Solder, he said, had a
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: harder time because he was so tall that like getting
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: down low in the stance and like really mirroring those
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: those edg rushers, like you can almost it can work
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: against you sometimes. I think certain guys it works for them,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: Like I think Trent Brown's just massive size is the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: reason why he is sticking around in the league. Like
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: I can't believe the Texans re upped him again. But
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: certain guys are too tall. That's a real thing. Let's
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: get back to the phones. David is in Fairfax. What's up, David, David,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: he's still there.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: He was on hold for a while.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: David callback in If you wanna, we can get you on.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: Daniel is in California. What's up, Daniel?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 10: Hey, So sorry, if you guys already talked about this,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 10: I'm like just joining right now. But with the whole
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 10: Romeo Dobbs signing, I've just been like like on Twitter
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 10: and all that, just seeing a lot of like reports.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 10: I think Karen was one of them, just saying that, like,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 10: you know, this necessarily doesn't mean that we're out on
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 10: aj Brown. I understand like the whole June first situation,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: and but my question is like, do you think this actually,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: like is the Romeo Dobs thing? Does it give us
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 10: more leverage in these negotiations? And like as things stand
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 10: right now, if you have to like put money on it,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 10: do you think AJ Brown will be an Eagle on
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 10: Opening Day? And I can just take it off.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: There, I guess, Yeah, Daniel, thanks for the call. I
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: don't know if it gives them any more leverage. I
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: think the thet no, it makes them a little bit
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: less desperate.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, but.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: AJ Brown's a really great player that's gonna have high
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: trade value, and it's gonna be it's gonna be a
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: substantial trade regardless. In my opinion, I bring up the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: June first so often because to me, this is the
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: number one snag other than the fact that the Eagles
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: might not want to give away one of their best players,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: you know, taking that whole thing of it out of it.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Let's just say, and I'm this is purely speculative, but
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: let's just say that the Eagles and the Patriots, the
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: Eagles are ready to trade AJ Brown. The Patriots are
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: ready to meet the asking price. They kind of have
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: like a framework of a night of a deal in mind.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: But the snag is the contract like, and I think
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: that's really what it all boils down to, whether or
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: not this is going to happen or not. I'm pretty
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: sure I have the numbers right. If the Eagles trade
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: aj Brown pre June first, before June first, it is
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: a forty million dollar dead cap pit on their charge.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: It's not that it's a forty million dollars dead cap hit.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: It's forty million comes off their current cap space. It's
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: a dead it's a dead money charge which counts against
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: the cap in addition to what he already counts no
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: in total.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: I thought it's okay, So his dead money would be
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: forty million dollars, which would count against their salary cap
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: this year. It would immediately hit the twenty twenty six
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: cap if they execute the cap.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Has it says seventy two million in dead money negative
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: forty nine million in cap savings.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe it's the cap savings whatever. If they
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: do it post June one, they can split it over
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: two years. They can they can separate it over two seasons.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: So it just it's all an accounting way of saying
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: that contract is easierly easier to trade after June first,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: it's easier from an accounting perspective for the Eagles to
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: digest the contract if they trade him after June first.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: And it's extreme to the point based on the reporting
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: I saw that, like they really wouldn't have been able
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: to do free agency if they traded AJ Brown because
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: the salary implication.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: Now they could there's always ways around it. They could
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: restructure contracts, they could advance salary, they could do all
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: the fancy things that teams do to circumvent that. But yes,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: ultimately at the end of the day, you know, they
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: might not even assuming that they don't, they don't even
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: probably have enough cap space to do it, Like they'd
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: have to make another move to figure out the cap
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: space of it all to do it. So to me
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: and I get as a from a Patriots point of view,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: the snag with it with AJ Brown is that that's very,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: very difficult to just assume that AJ Brown is going
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: to be a Patriot June second, Like you can't just
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: put all your eggs in that basket.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: We just saw this, you know, to an extent with Max.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: Crosby, like trades fall through, other teams jump in like
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: you might think you have a handshake agreement with Howie
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Roseman and the Eagles. But when you know, the draft
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: passes and some team misses on their wide receiver target
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: in the draft, and now all of a sudden they
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: come back to revisiting the aj Brown thing, and here
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: we go, right, like now it's a higher asking price,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: or you're in a bidding war or something like that.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: It's very difficult to just put all your eggs in
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: that basket if you're the Patriots. But if you're the Eagles,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: it's very difficult to trade him now. So this is
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: a trade that if it does go down, you would
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: think would probably go down sometime in August, like right
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: before training camp. Similar timing to like Micah Parsons right
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: last year with the Cowboys, which again is if you're
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: the Patriots, like, are you willing to roll the dice
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: that you might go into next season not well?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: And also like that, if you're negotiating for the Patriots, now,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: the Eagles are losing leverage because he's worthless, having not
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: been having knocked gone through your offseason program, having not
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: had all that time to work with Drake May. Yeah,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: all that, you know, not being in your building. I'm
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: not giving up the same frager Brown in August that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: I am in April. Absolutely not. Yeah, it's even June,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: so you know when June, he's already gonna miss some time.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: He's gonna miss some of OTA's and mini camps usually
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: in mid June, so maybe if they got it done quick,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: he could be back for that. I wouldn't give up
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: a first form in August. Absolutely not.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, it's it's tough. It's a tough trade.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: I think that there's interest from both sides, both from
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: the Patriots side to trade for AJ Brown and the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Eagle side to move AJ Brown. But it's just an
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: accounting thing that I know is like kind of you know,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: gives you a popsicle headache trying to think of all
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: the numbers and stuff like that. But it is what
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: it is, a couple of emails here that I wanted
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: to get to you that I thought were good. And
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: we'll keep on taking these phone calls, lots of phone
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: calls today. That's what it's an off season show.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: This is what does for you.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: So I wanted to read this email from Chris and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Main because I get this question a lot, or this
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: point made to me a lot about Kaishon Booty and
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: his role and his usage. Uh, there's a lot of
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: I get a lot of pushback, a lot of emails
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: about Kashan Booty being more of a Z receiver than
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: an X receiver. And I don't want to get too
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: bogged down in the Z slot of it all. But essentially,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: what we're talking about is a guy that typically aligns
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: at X would be on the line of scrimmage on
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: the backside to the formation. A Z receiver is a
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: guy that's moving around, right, he's playing a little slot,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: he's playing a little outside.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: He's kind of hybrid.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing off the line of scrimmage so that
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: he can move around the formation. The thing is about
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: that is that we're kind of going back, in my
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: opinion with Kaishan Booty to LSU Kishan Booty when we
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: say that, there's no doubt that early on in his career,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: like his freshman breakout at LSU definitely profiled more as
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: like a power slot, like kind of not the same
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: but not as dissimilar as like an AJ Brown type,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: right that was going to catch and run with the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: football and be big.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: And strong and all that.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: After that year was Deebo Samuel.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: Sure like something something like that. That's a true catch
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: and run artist. I don't see that kind of play
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: speed in Kishan Booty anymore post his you know, freak
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: ankle injury at LSU.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 7: And so.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: I hear this a lot that that's his natural position.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: The Patriots have been playing Adam position, yadi YadA. The
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: other thing that I would go back to is and
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: maybe this is out of necessity, you can make that argument,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: but in twenty twenty three, Bill O'Brien decided to develop
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: him as an ex and Bill Belichick in twenty twenty four,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: Jirod Mayo and Alex van Pelt, which I know who
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about, but Rod Mayo and Alex van Pelt
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: played him at the X In twenty twenty five, Mike
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Rabel and Josh McDaniels played him at the X. So
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: until an NFL coaching staff looks at Kaishan Boody and
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: tells me he's actually we actually see him more as
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: a hybrid player and more as a Z Yeah. I
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: just don't see that. I think his best trait right
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: now is winning the ball down the field. So is
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: he the kind of X receiver that you think they
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: want with Drake May long term NOU and that's not
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: a knock on Kaishan Boody no style.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I'm talking stylistic.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of too things that
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: I like about his game that fit with Drake May,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: mostly the catch points stuff and his ability to win
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: the football, you know, use his frame and his size
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: to you know kind of you know, one, he kind
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: of does that like slingshot thing where he kind of
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: wins late on the with the ball in the air.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: And then he also has a you know, good strong
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: hands at the catch point. You know, obviously we saw
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: the one handed catch against the Texans is just sick, right,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: you know, he makes plays like that on the football.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: But I think that ideally, I think ideally you.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: Get a little bit more speed in that role, right,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: like somebody that has a little bit more get up
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: and go in that type of role. I hear what
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: people are saying about that's what he looked like in college. Uh,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: he certainly does not have the downfield like third level
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: burner speed that would suggest that he'd be a great
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: outside receiver. I just again, three different coaching staffs and
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: two or three no offense to AVP that I really
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: respect them as like offensive minds in Bill O'Brien and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels telling me that this is where we're playing
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: him and right, So I just don't see that now.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: The other part of it with Chris is in this
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: email well, as he mentions Kyle Williams as more of
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: like a Z receiver than the peer X. I can
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: get behind that one a little bit more because I
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: do think that he has like the twitch and the
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: suddenness as a separator, especially against man coverage, to be
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: able to maybe be a little bit better off inside
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: And he's not the biggest of guys right to be
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: playing on the boundary all the time. The issue with
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: him is rou conversions, like he's just not there yet
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: in terms of reading coverage and changing routes on the
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: fly to the point where he's going to be in
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: the right places all the time. And that's a big
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: part of playing inside in this offense. That's the part
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: of playing inside in this offense is can you read coverage?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: Can you understand man versus his own? Can you understand
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: leverage where openings are? All those nuances are what made
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: the guys that have been great here in that role.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's Kyle Williams. I agree that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: he moves more like that as an athlete. I just
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: don't know so if he's going to get there between
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: the ears to be able to play that kind of role.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: The other names that they he mentioned were just you
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: know Iver, you know BTJ, which you know. I think
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Schefter tried his best to pour cold water on that
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: rumor with him being available, Are you kind of taking
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: him at his word in terms of Schefter and say, if.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: He's available, he traded thirty first pick for him. I
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: would do that today, but I don't think that never
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: made sense to me why he was available.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Uh so the news in the NFL, I guess we
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: should probably talk a little bit about this, just going
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: through some of these emails. The news in the NFL
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: the last twelve hours has been Max Crosby, and we
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: mentioned it a couple of times today, But this is
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: from David Maine. He just wants our take on it, like,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: do we think Max Crosby really feeled his physical Do
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: we think that they you know, got cold feet? They
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: pivoted to Drey Henderson awfully quick. This one smells a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: little bit, Alex, it does. It smells a little bit, uh,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: not unprecedented, but uncommon, Like I think that's pretty fair
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: to say, like it doesn't happen every year, right, that's
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: something like this. What do you think happened with Max Crosby?
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you just look at how the timeline
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: kind of played out.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: I'm certainly looks weird. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe they really were worried about his knee, but you
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: know it, it's really fascinating what's gonna happen with the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Raiders now because they made all these moves and they
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: spend a bunch of money not accounting for Max Crosby
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: on the bucks. Well, now Max Crosby's back on the books,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: and they say that they're committed to paying all their
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: their free agents that they signed, and they're gonna keep Crosby.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the room to do that,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: if they're gonna have to renegotiate contracts because they're gonna
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: have to trade somebody else. But you know, and then
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: you look at if if this does change the situation
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: for other players, does that open up opportunities for teams
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: around the league? Like this thing could be or we're
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: just getting started here. This thing could be a real mess.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now it's It sounds like the Raiders have the
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: ability to go through with their free agent because they
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: have spent a crap ton of money in free agency.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: They had like a Patriot level free agency and meaning
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: last year's Patriot free agency spending spree Tyler Linderbaum like massive,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: massive contracts. It sounds like they're still able to make
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: that work financially for the time being. But that's thirty
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: million dollars in cap space they were planning on having,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: and not just cap space but cap cash on hand. Yeah,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: Like they weren't planning on paying Max Crosby, and now
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: they have to.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: They have to.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: I would think still facilitated trade, and not every team
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: is going to handle the injury the same, so some
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: teams will overlook it and say sure. I remember famously,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick's told the story about Randy Moss and that
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: trade a million times and how quickly that had to
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: come together and he had to pass his physical and
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick was just like, yeah, he got him into
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: the room. Doctor. I said to the doctor, he's good, right.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: The doctor said up and that was it, you know,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: like so like there's different levels of physical This one, though,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: to me, does smell a little bit like I think
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Drey Hendrickson maybe the market kind of dwindled on him.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: It got the number got lower and lower. They're like
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: instead of trading our two first round picks. Like, I
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: don't think Trey Henderson's as good as Max Crosby, but
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: is he like eighty five to ninety percent?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Also the irony of the back out of the Max
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Crosby deal because of the physical Yes, and now you
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: go sign a guy who's in his mid thirties, Yeah,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: who's coming off a hip injury.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to a four year deal.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: And I haven't seen the details on the contract. I
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: do this guaranteed money in all four years, but you're
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: not doing a four year deal with one year money guaranteed.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So got a little bit of cold feet.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: I was surprised they gave Hendrickson four years.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: This is from Rick in Riverside, Rhode Island. This is
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: a good question because you mentioned Blake Miller earlier as
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: kind of a luxury pick. If the Patriots get to
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: the draft and they might be in a position they
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: have eleven draft picks. All of those have a ton
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: of value. Let's be honest. For six round picks is
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: not going to get you much.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can use me to help move up.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: Is there world where you would trade up in the
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: first round? The target a player, and he asked if
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: you would, who would that player be? How high up
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: would you go?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Not high. I still don't want to see them. I
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: still want to see them make three top one hundred picks.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: And it's even fringy on that one at ninety six, right, So.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like if you're trading up, you're giving up
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: something in twenty twenty seven to make it happen.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: Mmmm.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: I don't love that anything because there I don't think
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: you have enough capital.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you could trade like your first,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: second and third round pick of this year's draft, but
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I really do the math.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: I don't if you're going to move up, I'm assuming
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: we're not sorry to cut you off. I'm assuming we're
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: not talking about moving up three slots here.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, So that's what I was going to say. I
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: go back to round or something.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: When the Patriots moved up or moved back for Gonzalez
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: in twenty three. It was a first in a fourth
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: to move up three spots. You know they have the
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: two fourths. Would I consider using one of them to
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: do something like that. I don't think that that's unfair.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: That's probably as far as I go. Now, moving up
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: those three or four spots could matter, right if you're
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: in the market for a receiver. The Chiefs at twenty nine,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs are now there are twenty nine that might
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: be a wide receiver team if you're in the market
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: for a tackle. The Niners at twenty seven, the Chiefs
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: at twenty nine, Like you might be trying to jump teams.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: You want to get really aggressive. The Bears are the
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: Bills at twenty six could be a receiver team. I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: don't know that you're trading above twenty five. That's even
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: getting expensive. Again, it was a first in the fourth
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: to move up three spots. That that was fourteen to seventeen.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: What is that You can pull up the trades tar
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: and tell you later in a round that's going to
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: move you a little further. But like in increment, that's
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: probably as much as I would do it first in
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: a fourth. Yeah, okay, so hang on a second, I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: was thinking more, something bigger.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm out on that. I was thinking save
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: the assets for next year. Two.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: There's two guys I was thinking specifically, is one of
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: like a Jordan Tyson or Mkaya Lemon or Carnel Tape.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: By the way, trading your first in your according to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: the trade chart, you're first and your higher fourth. Yeah
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: gets you to twenty seven. Yeah, it gets you up
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: five spots. Well, it's not that jumping the chiefs for
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: receivers not nothing.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: Wait, I know, but when we're talking about like trading
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: up in the draft, I thought we were talking about
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: like into a different tier of player.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, I'd rather trade back.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: Does one of those receivers have some weird fall? And
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: I know people are like that not gonna happen. Probably not,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, Like justin Jefferson fell to like
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: twenty two, you know, Ceedee Lamb was like the eighteenth
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: pick in the draft or nineteen or whatever, Like, it's
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: not inconceivable.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 14: Uh.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: The other guy that I thought would be interesting just
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: to get your take on, like, would you do it
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: if Sadik were to slip a little bit?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: You want my my take on Kenyon Cidek right now, Yes,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: he's going to the Chiefs at nine. At nine, at nine,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: that high? Doesn't it make all now that they have that,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: because everybody at ear marked that spot for Jeremiah Love. Yeah,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: they need a pass catcher. It's not especially if Tate
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: goes before them. Doesn't it kind of make a lot
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: of sense. He's gonna replace Travis Kelcey. We know Patrick
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: Mahomes like throwing to the tight end. It's a good
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: fit for the offense. He's a good fit from a
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: home skill set. I just think that makes a whole
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: lot of sense. Okay, I think he's going to the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Chiefs at nine. That's that's high. And I'll give you
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: another one now that they have their pick back. Yeah,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: the Ravens really need a tight end, Yeah they do.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: They just lost and likely again another guy that's a
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: really good fit for the way. Well, I guess the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: way they run their offense might change a little bit
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: new coaching staff, but like, no, you know, yeah, if
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: you're not.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Gonna if Amar is a pretty specific player and you're.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Not I like Jordan Tyson. Yeah, let's say Jordan or
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: McKay lemon, Right, and you like him, But when you
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: look at specifically what's needed in that offense, and maybe
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: you could argue more for m Kyle Lemon, but they
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: have Zay Flowers. Just who's gonna produce more net offense?
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Who's gonna have more output in that offense? Jordan Tyson
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: or Kenyan Citek's dick. I mean, right, if there's one
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: throw that Lamar likes the most, it's the seam. He
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: loves throwing the seams. He loves throwing the middle of
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: the field. He's always been a between the numbers, uh,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: preferred between the numbers guy. That's why the Ravens have
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: always loaded up on tight ends, you know, That's why
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: they've been a tight I don't offense. Those are the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: two spots I look at, and then you want to
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: throw in the Panthers really need. That's in nineteen The
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Panthers really need tight end if he falls. But at
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: this point I think somebody maybe trades up. Yeah, you know,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: even if you're giving up a lot, you're still probably
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: not getting above eighteen nineteen twenty.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: The only reason why I brought it up is because
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: great athletic profile. Yeah, great ball of clay, great in theory,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: great everything.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: They're not gonna get high enough.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna be able to.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: Are you willing to sell his future for I'm just
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: saying his production is not first round caliber tight end.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: And I know it's We've done this in the past
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: of that Oregon offense. It's a weird offense. You know,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: it happens, right, like you know Justin Herbert did not
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: have it. You know, right, it happens, but it's from
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: a production profile. And I'm talking about statistically, Yeah, he
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: is not a first round caliber.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: I will say this the last two years, Colston Lovelin
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: goes at ten, Tyler Warren goes at fourteen. Tyler Warren
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: definitely has a tremendous success. Yeah, brock Bauers at thirteen.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: It's a copycat league. The trend is go get your
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: tight end.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: And the first question was who would I would who
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: would I what would peak my interest in a trade up?
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: And those are the only kind of guys that are picking.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: I just who's the first one? One of those were
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: three receivers, Tyson, Lemon, Tait or Steek. That's it. I
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: don't You're not gonna get high enough.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: For all four of those guys are probably going top twenty.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: You tell me one of those receivers is around twenty two,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four. I might start to get a
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: little aggressive.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: I get it. I just don't.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think that the difference between the player you're
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: gonna get it in a draft like this, the difference
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: between thirty one and twenty seve having a slim. Now,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: if somebody says to you you're a player, someone's taking
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: your player right, then that's different.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: That's the difference. I will I will add this to
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: If those receivers are starting to fall, yeah, doesn't that
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: probably mean Denzel Boston's going to be there?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: But I think those guys are are in a different
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: tier than Denzel Boston. Fair enough, all right, let's get
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: back to the phones and we have some email, more
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: emails too that are good emails as well. William is
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: in Philly. What's up, William?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 10: What's going on over?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 9: How are you doing good?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: How are you all right?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: Hey?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you so.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 13: Hey, what a well?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 9: The prop from the last time I called Evan and
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 9: I was saying I was a little harsh basically towards
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 9: Alien Wolf, but the jurors did out. As far as
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 9: I'm concerned, it doesn't have so much to do with Bill.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 9: It was just the fact when he drafted by you
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 9: got Drake made. We had Jail and Pope, we had
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 9: Shabon Baker tight end all those guards and whatnot. Nothing
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 9: pinned out but only Drake May. And I was wondering
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 9: about his his his weapons around. This is the pointing cast.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 9: Like nothing out of that draft King, you know, other
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 9: than Drake May was was a hit base, you know
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 9: what I mean. So this is why we where we're
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 9: at now, basically, you know what I mean. And also
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 9: having what he was talking about, I mean, Alex when
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 9: you're talking about what's his name, A J.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 6: Brown?
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I went, I went and overdo it though, But
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 9: it's this You're playing a waiting game here, and you know,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 9: what's what's the backup plan?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 9: Somebody can come in, yes, and that's all true, and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 9: and give a first and that's that. So what do
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 9: you do after that? You I mean, yeah, what do
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 9: you go?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: That's the Eagles leverage? Have a backup.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, William. We're we're on the same
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: page now. Receiver, receiver receiver. They they need more playmakers now. Uh,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: that's where they're at with AJ Brown. I think that's
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: a big reason why they just handed this contract with
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs is they did not want to be stuck
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: in a position in Romeo Dobbs is an AJ Brown's caliber, but.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: At least not not worse at wide receiver. Thy world, Yeah, it.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: Might be you have you have a competitive receiver room,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: you know now with with Romeo Dobbs involved.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Jack is in New Hampshire. What's up Jack?
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thanks for dating McCall. I just wanted to
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: get your thoughts on a potential like cave On Thibodeau
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: or even Dre green Law since he just got released
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: from the Broncos, and what you guys think about that.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: And I know you were just talking about a potential
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 6: fall for some of those top receivers and if you
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: think they even have a shot at a guy like
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: Jordan Tyson if he falls.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks Jack. No, they're not gonna have
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: a shot at Tyson.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: I like Caleb.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting one. I'm not against it. I would
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: rather was Greenard with the Vikings.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather him, probably, but it might be it's
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: a trade.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: It costs more. I mean, it's gonna cost more for
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: Jonathan green I like, I.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Think there's untapped potential with Thibodeaux anyway. He plays the
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: high motor, plays mean really athletic. I'd be I I
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: really liked them in the draft. Maybe I'm letting that
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: sku my opinion a little bit.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Now, but I think that that there's something there as well.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: I think Greenard is a better player and you know,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: a more approved, a little bit older.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's like twenty eight.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: I want to say, we're already paying for potential instead
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: of production, Like that's kind of what they've been doing
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm not opposed to it. I mean, I
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: I think they're they're an edge short right now. I'm
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: all for, like, you know, edge can be a draft
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: thing like that. That's I'm okay with that. If that's
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: a position that they're really going to aggressively target in
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: the draft, I think they probably should anyways, Like.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: You know, even if they added Thibodeau, we'd still be
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: talking about edge.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that you know, they are probably
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: one more like NFL caliber ed Dresher away because we
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: just really don't know about Harold Andrew right now and
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: what his longevity is going to look like and his availability.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: So without that now, I think it's probably on a
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: little bit of a lower tax bracket than a Thibodeau
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: would be, or a green Art would be, would probably be.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: You know, and I would be Ibikeetty.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: Ebikeetty, I already say his name. You know, those types
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: of guys that are still kicking around are probably more
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of like what they did last year
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: with Chase on right. We're gonna sign this guy to
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: a one year deal. That's I think Ebikeetty was an
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: early second round pick, not a pure first round guy,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: but a guy that has upside, it has talent, and
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: we're going to just see if we can get it
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: out of him for a year now. That probably makes
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: a little bit more sense than one of these big
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: splash moves. But I feel all that Matt is in
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: What's up Matt?
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: Hey, guys, can you hear me?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: So quick question.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 11: I didn't hear you mentioned him when you were talking
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 11: about pick thirty one earlier. I know we've been talking
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 11: about wide receivers a lot, but I am curious what
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 11: do you guys think of edge TJ. Parker at thirty one.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 11: I know we're all talking about wide receiver and everything,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 11: but in the event that that price does come down
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 11: on AJ Brown and we give up like this year
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 11: second and next year second and we still have this
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 11: year's first, I think TJ. Parker would be a great fit.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 11: Seems like somebody Vrabel would like, somebody who can rehabilitate.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 11: I know he didn't play at all in twenty twenty four,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 11: but the previous season he had, he was looking like
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 11: a top ten pick. So I'm just curious to hear
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 11: you guys thoughts on that. Thanks again, Uh.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Matt. I you know, I
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: when I first watched TJ.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: Parker, uh at Josher out of Clemson, it's definitely in
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: this cluster like he's in this thirty one.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: So you did playing twenty four? Who did? Yeah Parker?
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I love the college they didn't clear anyways.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: Uh, when I first watched him, I I thought he
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: was a little bit stiffer than some of these other guys,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: like word, I think both gravitating, but mes you know,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: just talking about me specifically. You know, guys like Mesador,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: guys like hash Is Howl that have a little bit
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: more bend, a little bit more exposiveness to him.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: TJ.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: Parker is more, in my opinion, like a power oriented player,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: a little bit more physical at the point of attack.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: Kind of wins with power, wins with bull rush, sets
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: the edge, like that sort of thing.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: But I don't I think that he's right there in
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: this group, and if like that's the one that they picked,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: that wouldn't be like, you know, blown away, like it
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: would make sense in that range of the draft. And
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe if they see it or the league
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: sees it the same way I do. You know, I
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: think guys like Mesidor and Hall have a little bit
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: more pass rush upside because they're a little bit looser,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: They're a little bit more fluid with their movements, which
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: tends to lend itself a little bit more uh to
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: pass rush abilities. So maybe that's that the league looks
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: at it that way.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: And TJ.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Parker is the one that's you know, when the musical
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: chair stopped in the first round with this edge rusher
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: class that's so stacked, like maybe he's the one that's
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: still on the board at thirty one instead of those
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: other guys.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: What do you do you like Parker?
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of with you, Like I don't think
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: he's at the top of my list for thirty one,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: but he's a solid player. He's one of these guys
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: that what do you believe more that he's the player
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: he was in twenty twenty four? Yeah, it was a
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: unquestionable first round pick or you know, and then he
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: took a step back in twenty five? Was that just
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: because Clemson took a step back and he got dragged
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: down by the program?
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: Or was twenty four and anomaly? Yea?
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: And he maybe punched above his weight. So I really
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: liked what he did in twenty four. I think he
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: got dragged down by the Clemson program a little bit.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: So That's where I'm at. So yeah, I mean he'd
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: be legit.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: Ad you hate that Clemson program. They were not good
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: last year. You just hate it. No, No, it's just
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: personal for you. You don't I do.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: It is true.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: I do not like Clem, but I like you Clemson
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: guys in the draft and then went seven and six.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: You know, you hate Davos Sweeney though, just admit it.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of Clemson, not one of the teams.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: I generally said, that's.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: Such a diplomatic way of saying, you really don't like
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: but they were not good last year.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. A couple of the same thing happened
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: with the Penn State guys, that's true.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: Uh, a couple more emails here and then we can
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: wrap it up maybe with you know, a couple more
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: things on free agency. But uh, there's you know, some
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: people that mentioned Chris Alave's name. I know that name
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: has been kicking around. I think Romeo Dobbs and him
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: are a little bit redundant at this point.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: I would have liked Chris A.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: Lave though, Like I thought that that was a viable suggestion,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: you know, and I know New Orleans is kind of
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: in this second year with a new head coach and
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: sort of trying to change the complexion of the thing
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: down there. You know, this emailer sends out, you know,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: Chris Alave, Brian Thomas Junior, Jordan Addison. Jordan Addison like
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: always seems to get his name involved in these things
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: because he's the other guy to Justin Jefferson in Minnesota.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's any there's any real credence
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: to that. It just always seems to happen.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: At this point. I'm not sure if.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: Those guys are really are really it Like, I would
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: have really liked the Lave before the Romeo Dobbs signing,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: but now I feel like they kind of don't need
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: that type of player.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some Oscar delt fans. Yeah.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 11: In there.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: Here's a question from Craig in Vegas.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: A couple of different like kind of scenarios here looking
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: at the people we signed, especially with Dobbs, do you
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: think Casey Concepcion is now completely out and are we
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: looking for more of Denzel Boston type at thirty one?
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: I personally do I have.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: That's not inside information at whatsoever, but I think we're
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: kind of, you know, they kind of filled the Z
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: slot role in my opinion with Romeo Dobbs. I think
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: that's the role he's going to play, and they just
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: gave him a decent amount of money to do it.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: So I think that that's kind of tied up there
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: right now. In Romeo Dobbs, to me, they need an
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: outside guy for Drake May. And I know that people
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: like Keyshawan Boody mac Collins did a decent job with
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: the opportunities that he got playing that role. But a
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: true bona fide like field stretching X receiver that Drake
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: May can throw deep bombs to all the time, that
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: that's the guy that I'm looking for. I don't know
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: if that's Denzel Boston, but I don't think that that's
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: like Omar Cooper Junior or Casey conception.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: I also don't think Casey's going to be there for them,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I know we're looking at the big outside
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: guys at this point.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: Yep agreed on Max Crosby. Let's just it's just us.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: Not do we think the Patriots would do anything with
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby, Because I think the answer to that is
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: probably no. Yeah, but just us. Would you re engage
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: with the Raiders on Max Crosby?
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: He throws out a first and a third to the
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Raiders because it's a little bit lower than you know,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: what they would have gotten.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I'd have to see the medicals.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like how how bad is his knee?
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: Giving just assume that that the knee would pass, they
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: pass or is it like that It's like the Randy
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: Moss thing, like he's fine, if he's fine.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would do that.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do that. I think I would probably
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: do it too. But they're not going to No, I
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: don't think.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: This is a question from Uh Linda and Georgia UH
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: asks if we know if Elijah Vera Tucker's games were
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: injuries happened in home games?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: This is an interesting question, Linda. Now only one of
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: them is his lower body.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: So I'm right, should you take out For those people
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: that don't know, I should probably explain the MetLife Stadium turf,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: where the Jets obviously played their home games, is notoriously
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: awful playing service.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Oh that has claimed many injuries. I don't know. I
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: want to say twenty three. Yeah, I want to say
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: twenty three. I don't know.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: But his other question, his other injuries have been upper
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: body like torn trisaps, pecs like things like and that
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: was at.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Denver So and that's a I think I'm considered a
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: pretty good surface. Yeah, Mike Evan's going to play by
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: the substation.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not good.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: Not good for Mike no, that's a good signing. It
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: kind of reminds me it's not quite I don't think
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: he's quite as uh as good anymore as like DeVante
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: Adams is for DeVante Adams.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: But like it kind of reminds him that, yeah, you
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: know that.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: I think those offenses they're so system based and getting
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: catch and run and blocking receivers guys like Pukakua, Cooper
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: Cup like players like that. But then they kind of
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: got into this world where like they needed a man beater,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: like he just needed somebody that could get open and
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: make tough catches against man coverage.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 13: And uh, the.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: The Rams went out and signed DeVante Adams and and
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: that happened, and I think the forty nine ers kind
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: of saw that and were like, we need our DeVante Adams.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: And that's my gut.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I will say, though I saw a graphic. I don't
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: know if he's officially gotten his number yet where they
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: had him wearing number four.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: The aesthetics terrible.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: If he's wearing a single digit number in San Francisco,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a bust. I get he's thirteen's taken.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: I get that, but you got to get him a
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: real number.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, what number is Romeo Dob's wearing. It's a good
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: question because I I don't know it. It's been in question.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: Eighty seven has been in circulation before.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but not as in a game. Trey Nixon was
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: wearing it right, right, but he's playing which tight end?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: Was it so cool?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: Lacosts one of those titles, one of those tight ends
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: wore eighty seven at one point.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: I would say, though that.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Not that it was ever like I miss wide receivers
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: wearing numbers in the eighties. I'd be all for him
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: keeping number in the eighty.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: It's not that the the uh, that it was ever
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: terrible relationship between the Patriots organization and Rob Gronkowski, but
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: in recent years that relationship has definitely.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Tremendous nice.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: And so now that Rob Gromkowski had his retirement ceremony
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: as a Patriot here last year, he lives locally, he's
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: in the community a lot. He's more patriot than he's
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: ever been post playing career. I would say, I think
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a different story now at eighty seven.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: So he wore he wore four in high school, so
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: maybe he goes back to it's available. He wore seven
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: in college. That is Carlton Davis.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, four might be available.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: Don't want him taking seventeen.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: No, we got to tell him about that. We do
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: need to tell him if I see him tomorrow. I'm
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: gonna be like Romeo.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: None of the open numbers right now.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: I think four is a good one. That's his high
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: school number. He said four would be a good one,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: and at least one of his I just was Antonio Gibson,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: who is no longer on the team.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: I just looked up Romeo Dobbs high school and there's
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: a I don't know if this was like his whole
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: career in high school, but there's pictures of him wearing four.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, four, I want to Nobody wears numbers in
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  Speaker 1: the eighties anymore. Miss Wider's were numbers in the Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean an eighties number, and it's tough, bro Like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I know guys don't like it. I especially certain numbers
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  Speaker 1: eighty eighty one, eighty five, eighty eight, like those still hit.
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  Speaker 1: I know people say doesn't have like or or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But what is available in the eighties right now? Eighty
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  Speaker 1: eighty one, eighty three, eighty four, eighty seven, eighty eight.
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  Speaker 1: See him an eighty eighty slot wide receiver were in
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  Speaker 1: eighty for the Patriots?
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  Speaker 2: That works?
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  Speaker 1: Or eighty three the Welcher number.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would play, okay, but not at any seven.
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  Speaker 2: Not any seven.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if we need to retire eighty seven,
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  Speaker 3: but it needs to be real hired like Andre tippers
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  Speaker 3: Soft retire.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could play though. Here's the better question. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what number is Reggie Gilliam gonna wear? The first two
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  Speaker 1: guys the Patriots signed both wore forty one.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, which is obviously taken. Yeah. I do kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a low forty number for a full back.
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  Speaker 2: Forty four. Yeah, it's a good it's a good fold.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that's taken right now.
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  Speaker 6: It is not.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a one more question. We got one called then
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  Speaker 3: we got to wrap it up. Uh, Anthony, Oh no.
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  Speaker 3: It was chased on emails in and says, if the
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: Patriots do trade for a J Brown or drafting their
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: wide receiver, who is currently.
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  Speaker 2: The odd man out on the roster. It's a good question. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: there would be too many, right, you know?
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  Speaker 3: So you have Dobbs, Matt Collins, Kyle Williams, Kishon Boody
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  Speaker 3: Tomorrow Douglass ef chism right now. Yeah, So if you
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  Speaker 3: add another in the draft or uh via trade, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's all they would do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're adding two more no, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like obviously.
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  Speaker 3: An underven rookie whatever, Yeah, but another guy that's gonna
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: take up a roster's boy, you're at seven sevens too many.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of teams carry six now, so six is doable.
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  Speaker 3: But somebody's got to be the odd man out. I
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  Speaker 3: think if you're looking purely at who would be the
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  Speaker 3: odd man out because of just fit and all that,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably Pop Douglas. I would think, just in terms
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: of usage last year fit with Drake may that sort
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  Speaker 3: of thing. But if they were to acquire let's say
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: it's a J Brown, like that's kind of Kishon Boody's
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  Speaker 3: role right like that.
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  Speaker 1: I also, you know, a lot of the reporting has
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  Speaker 1: been the Eagles want to play her back, so that would.
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  Speaker 2: Keep bringing that up and a lot of no inside information, but.
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  Speaker 1: No, it would make a lot of sense that Kaishan
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  Speaker 1: Boody goes back to Philly and then yeah, yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a functional X receiver for the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: to replace a j. Brown rather have a third round
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  Speaker 1: picker kash On Body. I would rather have Kashan, but
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. If it's safe the pick and
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to move on from a receiver anyway.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if Howie Rosmond would though Howy Resmond
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  Speaker 3: loves his picks, but I personally think I would because
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: that gives you a viable player to play in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty six for the Philadelphia Eagle.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And if you're doing it after the draft, you're
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: not gonna have a chance to replace right Brown.
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  Speaker 3: So all right, last call here. James is in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: What's up? James?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how you doing good?
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  Speaker 13: All right?
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to make sure you could hear me.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't think enough it's being said about movement
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  Speaker 4: in the draft up or down. You don't want to
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  Speaker 4: take Brazls at thirty one, you don't think you don't
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  Speaker 4: think he'll be there at sixty three.
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  Speaker 8: Where do you think.
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  Speaker 4: Is a sweet spot to try and move to grab
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: them before the next person that might want them? And
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: is there anybody worth actually moving up for the spot
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: that we're trying to fill and I'll take it off
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  Speaker 4: the air.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks James, Right, we just ended up move up thing. Yeah,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: the move back thing is also in play. Like I
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: know who people hate when they do that, but we're talking.
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  Speaker 2: It makes sense to do it this year.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're talking about guys like brasl maybe an
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: edge rusher. That's kind of you know, I think you're
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: looking at whatever way you want to call let's call
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: it tier two just for the sake of the argument.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: If you're looking at edgeresher and you're kind of stuck
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: between tiers two and tier three of the edgeresher runs
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: tackle like if that's you know, an area that you
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: want to address early, it does feel like it could
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: be like a sneaky year for that, Like if you
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: are able to And I know this drives people nuts,
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  Speaker 3: so I apologize, but this is this show. If you
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  Speaker 3: were able to take go from thirty one to let's
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: say forty, right, and then you get extra capital back
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: for that in subcapacity, and then you take a guy
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: like Chris Brasel at forty instead of taking him at
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: thirty one, that makes a lot of sense in a
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: class like this.
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  Speaker 1: So looking at the top half of the second round Jets, Cardinals, Titans, Raiders, Giants, Texans, Chiefs,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: Texas Browns. Chiefs gets you to forty, right, So you
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: know how many of those teams are going to be
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: in the market for a guy like Chris Brasel A
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: couple of them? Who's Tennessee's ex ert tennesseeo X.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know off the top of my head. You know,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: Chamari DK's you know, like a slot.
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee could be one. Becas's dog Kevin.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: Billy is still there technically right, Yeah, yeah, But I
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: mean so you know, maybe the Jets, I don't think
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: they're gonna wide receiver that high.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals probably aren't in that market. The Raiders have
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: Dante Thornton already, have you know this kind of player? Yeah,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: the Giants maybe, depending on where the leak neighbors is at. Yeah,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: but are you gonna see that much better you're gonna
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: use the thirty sixth pick on them?
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Probably not?
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: But you know, the Giants maybe, depending on where Neighbors
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: is at. The Texans probably not. They're pretty good wide receiver.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: The Browns maybe, So I don't know, maybe Tennessee's the
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: team you swap with. You go from thirty one to
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: thirty five, and that probably earns you a third or
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: fourth round pick.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Cleveland makes sense just because you know they
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: need everything. They need everything.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: They need receivers definitely, Yeah, And are they going receiver
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  Speaker 3: in the first round.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: If they don't, then they might.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: Be have Aomnor. Yeah, they're so they're wide receivers right now?
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: Are Aoman or Van Jefferson, Calvin Ridley, James Proche They
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: added Wandale Robinson, right, Samari d Kay.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm not moved by that room though, Like
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: if you're trying to really make cam Ward happen and
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: like really load that up.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: All right, so maybe maybe you trade with the Titans.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: You let them go up in Browns always doing dumb stuff.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: So all right, that's gonna do it for today's show.
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  Speaker 3: A good episode.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: Have two first round picks, so they're probably not trading
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: up in the first Oh that's true.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good episode. Free agency draft, that's right in our wheelhouse.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: We will be back next week, same time, same place. Really,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: at that point we'll probably have the fallout of all
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: this free agency stuff and can really start to reset
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: the board in terms of the draft.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: And look ahead to that.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: Like I said, we'll have one o'clock ish tomorrow, we'll
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: have some free agency introductions from the Patriots. We're expecting
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: to hear from Elliott Wolf. Patriots Unfiltered will be at
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: noon tomorrow as well during all that chaos, so that'll
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: be fun. So we'll definitely have you covered on that.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: Both Alex and I will have you covered tomorrow too
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: for that introduction, but for Catch twenty two, I'll be
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: back next Wednesday at noon.
• 2:01:11
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