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Joshua Wilson talks Jesus & Current Events · Urantia Radio

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Joshua Wilson makes his third appearance on our program for
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the Joshua is a pastor and also owns and operates a ranch
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children called Sunshine Acres. Joshua is also an accomplished
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musician prolific writer in short.
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Joshua Wilson is a teacher and a pretty good one at that in our
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discussion. Today we touch not just on
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Urantia Concepts, which are always fun but also our current
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state in terms of politics, social evolution.
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And what is most needed today as Society goes through a
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metamorphosis of change a lot to cover and we jump right in with
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my guest. Joshua Wilson this time up on
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the Rancher Radio podcast. I was talk to my my oldest
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daughter Rebecca and Tulsa Oklahoma this morning and she
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was she's a Urantia book reader. He's just so happy that that the
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knowledge that people have is going to be able to carry on
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into the next life and they're going to be able to use their
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skills and it's all it doesn't all just disappear and go away.
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Well, see that's interesting because having that nugget of
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information makes everything else makes sense.
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It's the opposite of that when you don't think that this life
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has any value to your continued existence that's why we're in
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the trouble were in. Yeah, that's kind of sad.
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Because I knew if Putin knew that he would be held
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accountable or anybody that matter a common criminal if they
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knew and they were taught from a young age, you will be held
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accountable for all of your actions and they do matter that
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would change but we're actually taught the opposite that nothing
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matters. Isn't that strange, right?
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And there's no repercussions and the will to power is All that
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matters and it's a very realistic way to look at life
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and I'm just so happy, you know, to be involved with people that
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are engaging life and engaging spirit.
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And this part of this thing that to kind of lead into food Fuel
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and finance. As I have some quotes here where
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Jesus got together with his friends and discuss politics,
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And I want to this out of the ranch, a book course, nobody
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knows about it. So this is why I have to talk
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about and so so the thing is that like here's a quote from
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paper 128 and it says, it was difficult for Jesus, friends to
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comprehend the range of his intellectual activities, how he
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could. So suddenly and so completely
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swing from the profound discussion of politics
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philosophy or religion to the lighthouse.
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Did enjoy us playfulness of these tots from 5 to 10 years of
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age. So there goes it says that he
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would get together in private and then there's another one.
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It says the Zebedee family never a failed to attend the
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conference has of questions and answers, which Jesus concluded
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each evening after supper. The youthful.
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Neighbors also came in frequently to attend these
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meetings, to these little Gatherings.
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Jesus gave varied and advanced instruction just as advanced as
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they could comprehend. Now, here it comes, he talked
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quite freely with them, expressing his ideas and ideals
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about politics sociology, science and philosophy.
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But never presume to speak with authoritative finality except
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when discussing religion the relation of And to God.
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So there's two quotes that said that in these nighttime meetings
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and these small groups and with his friends, he freely discussed
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politics but even here, the master of our universe was not
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going to speak authoritatively on politics and say this is the
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way it is. And this is how you should vote
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and and all that kind of stuff because it's always changing.
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But I think it's I just want to sweep away this Cloud.
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That's over. The movement where they don't
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know if they should or if they shouldn't to do or not to do
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whether they should get involved with politics, but Jesus discuss
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the politics of those days with his friends and that's part of
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of the world that we live in. So so if he was willing to do
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it, I'm willing to do it. In fact I do that in small
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groups but not as part of any religious Institution.
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I totally get that part because it says religiousness, as a
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group was never concerned themselves with anything but
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religion how be it? Anyone such religion
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religionist, as an individual citizen, may become the
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outstanding leader of some social economic or political
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reconstruction movement. So I just want it's like a cloud
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or something that's over. I just want to sweep this away
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and and help people get Their questions are resolved, their
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questions about this. I do have, I do have to admit
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that I've tried to steer away from Politics on the show and
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it's probably to a fault, because you can't ignore what's
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happening. And I've gotten some negative
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response from people when I do step into the political.
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But from my perspective, and I think you've nailed it is that
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as a religious person and as a person One who has gotten his
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heart. Everything is spiritual even
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politics because politics is really about the outcome where
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people get served with dignity. They have a government that
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treats them with dignity that there's not too much
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concentrated power, where evil and Corruption sort of takes
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over and that's where I think we are now.
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And that's why it's so concerning because of the fact
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that, you know, what we lose, what we spoke to earlier, which
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is philosophies, and Allergies that are being perpetuated in
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order to keep power centers in charge, you know, right?
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It's censorship and, you know, I mean, we were talking today
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about Michael and Dell. Now, you know, Michael and L is
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a very contentious figure, but he's a Christian and he wears
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his heart on his sleeves and he does commercials.
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And you can see the Christ lion portrait behind him.
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I mean, the guy wears this cross, he's here's a man who is
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speaking out, not because he's political But because he wants
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the truth and sometimes the truth gets in the way of
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politics. And so I admire him but he
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doesn't go on and I'm just using it as an example.
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But he's a very contentious guy. So how do you how do you blind
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like you were saying, how is it feasible that you can be, you
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know, a religious person and how?
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What effect does that have on your political Viewpoint?
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And you know, how do we not step over that line?
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We're merging. Yeah.
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Michael and Dale, what a thing. So he was at a Hardee's
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drive-through, yeah, and and he's right there.
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Waiting for his hamburger or whatever and he's completely
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surrounded by FBI cars, you know, and agents and they want
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his phone. And so, the thing is, while he
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was being surrounded, he was witnessing to one of the FBI
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agents about his faith. And how he could turn to God,
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that's the kind of guy that Michael and Ellis.
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Yeah, I mean, even in the worst of circumstances, he still
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figures out a way to get a little bit of Truth in there and
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yeah, witnessing and all that. It's fantastic.
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But I, I agree. So this the situation that we're
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in now to me, is much of it is self-inflicted.
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And I want to kind of go back to something that never gets
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brought up, but it's kind of close to me.
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Now, I was born and raised a in. A mentalist and I believe in
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clean, air and water and environment, and I don't like
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waste and I think people consume too much.
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And I remember when I was young and they first introduced
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cassettes, and you would go and buy a cassette and they would be
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in these big gaudy plastic cardboard wraps, you know.
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And even at that age in the 70s, I was saying boy this is a real
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waste of raw materials because just because they don't want
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somebody to stuff a cassette in their pocket and walk out the
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door and then see Uh, these came along and they did the same
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thing. So I say that because as an
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environmentalist I believe that we should.
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It works out to have clean air water and the environment.
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What I don't subscribe to is the climate crisis issue.
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And here's why if you're familiar with malthusian, he was
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a reverend I think his name was either Jonathan or Robert, but
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anyway, I'm quite familiar. Yeah, and he believed that man
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would destroy himself. That was his philosophy.
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Sofia the, we run out of food and we'd run out of coal and he
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lived in a very dark period in England.
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When when the Industrial Revolution was just getting
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started and things were dirty, you know, you'd have people
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dying of cold, you know, breathing in Coal, they still
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do. But anyway, his Viewpoint of
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humanity was that we're not going to be able to figure this
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out unless we have strict raccon, Ian rules and so that
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malthusian philosophy has completely taken over climate
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science. To the point where we don't
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think that we're going to be able to figure out how to get
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off, get off of fossil fuels, which is cheap abundant energy.
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So, you have people who believe that they've got a force feed
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this new renewable thing, but it's actually having a hardship
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and it's creating mass poverty across the world and it's going
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to continue to do this. Now, out of, what does this have
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to do with your auntie book? Well, if you believe that man
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has the ability to solve problems and that's why We're
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here then. Why don't we let that happen?
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Instead of, instead of having these people who are usurping
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power and they've replaced religion with this sort of
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pseudo religious climate science stuff.
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And it's scaring a lot of people, and it's going to kill a
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lot of people because energy without it people die.
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Yeah, the whole global warming thing hasn't turned into climate
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change. It was rebranded, this is
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destroying Europe right now, Germany.
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They've had not a doubling or tripling, but a tenfold to 12
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fold increase, and and the price of energy and they're having to
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shut down factories some of which, like, say us an aluminum,
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smelting plant with all that molten aluminum, They shut that
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down. You can't just turn it back on.
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These are meant to continuously run they're looking at an
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incredible difficult time. Coming into this winter.
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It's going to be very serious. So I've been preaching global
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cooling actually for about 10 years team here.
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Same with the solar minimum and Grand solar minimum.
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I've been riding on this and are our hot summers are Getting
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shorter and our Winters are getting longer especially in the
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about in the northern latitudes. And I always watch this very
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carefully and usually put out a newsletter once a year and kind
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of saying, okay, just track with me here and you can see if this
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is really going so, but, yeah, I agree with you.
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Jim people are getting frightened by the situation.
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That's just being preached about how we have to get off of all
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these fossil fuels, but the problem is, well, it was It was
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really sad. It would have almost been
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hilarious, but the same day that Gavin, Newsom of California
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announced that they were going to get rid of all cars that ran
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on gas or diesel. The same day that that
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announcement came out. He also was like, the day they
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after he, he made an announcement that you have to
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quit charging your electric vehicles.
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I mean, how crazy can that be did?
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I don't charge your electric vehicles from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.
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or something like this? See, they don't even have enough
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electricity to charge these vehicles.
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Yeah. That which goes to the point
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that the ideology is, is outpacing technology.
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We don't have yet the technology to make this seamless
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transition, we will someday once they figure out the, you know,
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the ranch a book talks, a lot about this unknown energy
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source. We'll find it right?
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And when we do and we when we learn how to harness it, we're
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in it mentions also that were in that age where I mean people
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don't talk about this a lot but one of the reasons is slavery
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ended wasn't out of the goodness of the hearts of the people it
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was but it was it was because of Machinery.
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Human labor became worthless when you had machines and we're
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going through that period now and there's an extensive amount
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of stuff in the ranch a book that talks about how do we deal
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with this very issue in the here and now there's a whole chapter
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when it talks about the different epochs and and the
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evolution of human government and and and finding jobs for
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people who become unemployed because they're being replaced
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by technology. The Rancho book was writing
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about this in the 1930s. Yeah, that was pretty
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incredible. We've had, you know, since the
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1920s we've had many beautiful things.
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Worldwide poverty has Ted literacy is gone way up.
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Lots of great things have happened.
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Due to the, what, the ranch book calls, the unrecognized and
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unacknowledged, spiritual workings of the life, and
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teachings of Jesus, of Nazareth. As we've had all kinds of games,
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but right now, we're coming into a very troubled period.
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So I set up the mouth seraphs camp in northern Arizona and
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we're on four, acres in the middle of nine. 160,000 Acres of
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the Tonto National Forest which is right on our border.
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And so I teach self-sufficiency we put in all of our own solar
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panels, it's off-grid, we have rainwater collection and we
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actually show people how to do these things.
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And if I was up there and and the guacamole, hit the fan, I
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would just I could just stay there for years and it's not my
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problem. But we all know about it now.
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So we'll come. See you actually invite people
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to come over for training and I don't charge anything.
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A lot of people have taken me up, I've had a lot of visitors
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over the past several years and men's Retreats and family
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Retreats. And so this is something where I
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don't just shoot from the hip and talk about Concepts on an
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intellectual basis, but at least in that particular, Our work
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that's been going since the year 2001 and then the Children's
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Home is also becoming more and more self-sufficient.
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That's on 100 acres that's been going since 1955.
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So, you know, we're trying to put these things into action and
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so I'll just let you leave with whatever the temperature or
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Dimension or level or degree that you want to talk about
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politics unless you guide the conversation.
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But To me, it's all about joining with other people,
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making decisions. So that the issues of economy
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which are based around few food Fuel and financed.
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The three apps that we can make good decisions so that we can
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have a peaceful and happy life. Well, I also want to I think
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there's a parallel here to what you're talking about and this is
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on the same subject but I recently read this book by I
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think I have it here. It's called the psychology of
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totalitarianism and the reason I bring it up is because I think
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that the author of that book which is a gentleman by the name
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of hizmet much Matias, Desmet d e SM as in Mary ET and it, he
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uses the obviously the covid pandemic and what we all went
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through. But the premise of the book and
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he sounds like he's a Rancher book reader.
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Is there a lot of things that he picks on or includes in his book
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that talks about psych Mass formation psychosis and cited.
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Yeah, and he really goes into, you know, why people were so
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complacent during the pandemic where they were willing to give
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up everything just for safety? Because they were convinced
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that, you know, by the media by by the doctors, you know, you
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know we could we could lose everything anyway.
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So I think He might be your Ranch of a greeter because
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everything he talks about in that book comes down to this,
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you know, do you have faith in a higher power?
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And if you have have faith in a higher power and that higher
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power has endowed you with free will dignity, then
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totalitarianism is incompatible with that.
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But if you don't believe in a higher power and you don't
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believe that you are endowed by a Creator and you do That the
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government is is your, your Refuge or your safety.
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And this is what it comes down to between say that the great
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dichotomy between the Communist way, which is completely
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atheistic. And the government is the ruling
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power and is the higher power and controls everything.
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And you subscribe to that because you don't want to be
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involved, you don't want to take, you know, personal
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responsibility and anything and you just want to be told what to
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do. And this is why. totalitarianism
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Rises because in places like Germany in the 30s, you know,
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and Italy and Russia people, there's three groups there's the
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groups that go along to get along which represents about 30%
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of the population and then you have another group which
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represents about 30% of the population and they they want to
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be told what to do they prefer safety over freedom and then you
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have that small subset of what's left of Or who are just natural
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like you and me they question everything.
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There's this they're naturally suspicious of over control and I
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find that a lot of your Rancho book readers fall into that
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third category and maybe that's a nice thing.
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Maybe that's why they're open to the idea but in any event you
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know I appreciate and it's a good read if you want to try to
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understand human psychology, it's a great book.
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And again it's called And I'd be curious, if anybody knows does
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Matt and his background. Because it sure looks like he
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tapped into paper 91-95 because he brings up the idea that we've
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been reduced to atoms. You know, we talked about this
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before with the James Webb Telescope, according to science.
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Today, we are nothing more than molecules.
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We have been reduced, we've been atomized to the point where
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everything can science can control everything.
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If they just have enough data, they'll be able to control
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everything and Isa come to this but it's it's brought to us a
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sense of anxiety and orphan. You know that feeling of being
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that my individual life really has no meaning beyond the grave.
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It's really just about the greater good, you know, so we
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can touch on that but you say that we had so comment on a
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little bit of that. Based on what you've seen, what
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is your greatest concern Joshua right now, regarding
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spirituality and the future? City of God on this planet.
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Okay, well, I'm looking at this psychology of totalitarianism
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just came out June 2020 to which you've read and he talks about
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the world, being in the grip of a mass formation.
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Dangerous Collective Collective type of hypnosis, as we bear
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witness to loneliness, free-floating anxiety, fear,
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giving way to censorship loss of privacy and so forth and so on.
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Here's my viewpoint, answer your question.
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Jim, I'm totally not panicking at all about the spiritual
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movement that's happening on the earth.
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I think that that's absolutely secure.
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What I am concerned about is that economies go in cycles and
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we're going into a Bad Moon arising right now.
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Yeah, we've got inflation is going through the roof.
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That we've got energy crisis, we've got problems with food,
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we've got problems with Finance as the the world economic forum
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is trying to bring about a great reset.
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I don't think any of those things are going to be
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successful in the long run. But the problem is that your
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answer book says, it's always a difficulty of transitional
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breakdown. So that's what I answer.
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Your question. My biggest concern is the
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transitional breakdown where People will be suffering because
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as macron of France, just announced last week to his
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Nation, he said the times of abundance are over and that's
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pretty heavy for the leader of a major Western Country to come
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right out and make a statement. So I'm concerned that people are
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going to be going into difficult times.
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But as far as the spiritual plan and purposes, I view the exact
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opposite. I think we're in a Revival.
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Because times of great testing your answer book says of also
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always been times of great Revelation so the two are
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happening simultaneously. Yeah, I agree with you,
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especially if you heard the whole conversation, we were
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having in the last episode where we had Josh, I'm not kidding,
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six people. I never, I've never done an
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interview with six people in my life.
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Yeah, I listen to it was great. And you hear the hope and you
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hear the, the Them and it didn't matter if you were in Argentina
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or Mexico or Israel and it just really, it inspired me.
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And what you're saying, inspires me and you're absolutely right.
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This, these are the times when heroes are made, right?
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And it all depends on your own character and what your, what
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Your motivations are. And if your motivations are
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pure, this is why, you know, I don't like to again, get
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political, but there are certain Heroes that I see walking today,
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And it's like, wow, you know, Mike Pompeo is a good example,
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you know, here's a guy who's very devout and he does want to
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change things and he knows, I mean, this guy's got to know the
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horror and the in the evil that's going on in the world for
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god sakes. He's dealing with these people.
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I'm not saying he's perfect, but he's just an example of somebody
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who's driven Mike Lyndell, another one, and there are a lot
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of a lot more of these people that are inspiring to me.
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So this, this actually, it may be That time economically who
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are not going to starve to death.
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We have the technology I mean I don't know, I hope not I don't
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think we will. You don't I'd like to bring up
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this quote on intelligent patriotism.
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I'm going to let this up right now.
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I want to talk about that too because there's now a new term
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that it's been introduced in the Lexicon.
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It's called Christian nationalism, right?
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And it's in there was an article that I can't remember.
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Maybe it was Spencer. A brown or somebody.
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But anyway, it was talking about the queen and the commonality
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between recognizing the sacredness of the queen and the
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sacredness of the Christian Nation concept that evolved in
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America during the Calvin and Calvin days were Divine
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Providence, you know, Manifest Destiny.
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And we Americans tend to look at America.
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I think as being a Christian Nation even though it is plural
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and we allow for everyone to sort of believe or not to
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believe and that's it. Thing, but I wonder if if
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politically the Christian religion will get more political
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and if that's a good thing or a bad thing, I don't think it's a
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good thing. Right.
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So the quote that I gave before is that religionists must never
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concern in this themselves with anything, but religion.
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Yeah, I'll beat anyone such religionist like those men.
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You just mentioned as an individual citizen may become
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the outstanding leader of some economic or political
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reconstruction movement. So this is where I want to kind
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of pull the fog fog of war or The Cloud of over.
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People's minds to realize what intelligent patriotism could
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involve which I think has to do with your your question.
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Yeah. On paper 81 it says no National
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civilization. Can you're talking about
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nationalism or maybe Christian nationalism or maybe
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conservative nationalism but no such Nation long indoors unless
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it's educational methods and religious ideals inspire A high
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type of intelligent patriotism, and National devotion, without
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this sort of intelligent patriotism and cultural
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solidarity All Nations tend to disintegrate as a result of
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provincial jealousies and local self-interest.
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That's out of paper 81 that's kind of where we're at right now
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though. Don't you?
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This is really pertinent, you know so you know midterms are
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coming up and I feel that As I was in a study group two nights
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ago, where we've known each other, we've been meeting for
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over 40 years. That, you know, we're we we feel
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comfortable talking with each other and we don't all have the
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same view, but we're all trying to be intelligent.
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And some of us have come around to trying to be patriotic and
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combining those things. Because we need that, we
28:04
realized that a Civilization cannot long endure, says that
28:09
right there in the book. So we do need this kind of
28:13
effort and insight and I love all of the purely religious
28:19
activities. They're happening in our your
28:23
Achi institutions and they should just go exactly like
28:27
they're doing they should be nonpartisan.
28:31
However, if we're going to see the other side of the coin in
28:34
what the Rancher book is telling us that the Individual needs to
28:39
take responsibility and one of the reasons, the book says, for
28:43
the decline of the western of the Roman Empire was that a
28:47
citizen's failed to take an interest in their local and
28:51
National politics and dissolved. Well, it's good that you brought
28:55
that up because I would I would say that again as a roadmap or
29:00
is it template the Urantia book certainly offers they make the
29:04
point of saying that a representative government A good
29:07
thing and that we're on the right track.
29:10
But, you know, unless you're involved and like you say,
29:13
unless we have good leaders, that are enlightened and not
29:16
self-serving. Then yeah, we do risk.
29:21
Your smart patriotism. You mentioned something about a
29:26
revolutionary act and use the re and our email exchanges.
29:32
Can we can we delve into that a little bit about what your
29:35
thoughts were? Yeah, because the 3F food Fuel
29:40
and finance equals economy. In other words, our economy is
29:45
how things work. Somebody might barter.
29:48
They Exchange some silver or gold, they might exchange some
29:53
dollars but the economy is is only going to operate when you
30:00
have food Fuel and finance functioning and available.
30:05
Now in the realm of Finance Finance is, which is Right now,
30:13
it's kind of like, Western central banks pushing around
30:18
Fiat currencies and doesn't starts to lose grip, with
30:23
reality. And one of the big problems with
30:26
Finance, which is Shackled, people is Usery.
30:30
Now, I know, we don't use that term a lot anymore so I'll just
30:33
Define it for you. User is excessive compound
30:37
interest where a person buys a home and they're lucky.
30:41
Get a paid off by the time they die.
30:44
This is shackling people it's not right and Jesus in his
30:50
discourse with the wealthy stoic, Roman citizen listed off,
30:56
10 types of wealth. But during that talk, he warned
31:01
against the problem with Usery. It's unfair, it's thoughtless.
31:06
It's a ripoff, it's unkind. And in that paper, I do a Oracle
31:12
search with the Catholic, the Orthodox, the Jewish and the
31:17
Muslim view points where they all early on were against Usery
31:23
and he had it written into their doctrines.
31:26
You might say that this was not good, but one by one.
31:30
They all fold it. And I point out this history
31:34
where they just Acquiesced to the lower the temptation of
31:42
making incredible amounts of money by charging people
31:47
interest. So the average person looks at
31:49
there Their mortgage statement when it comes in the mail each
31:54
month, and they see how much of the payment went towards
31:57
interest and how much of a went towards principal dad's, why I
32:01
wrote the paper user is a revolutionary act.
32:05
This is, the revolution is a revolt against God, and
32:09
fairness, and it has to be rectified.
32:13
And Jesus said, you have to cleanse your Capital.
32:16
That's a quote, quote, cleanse your Capital unquote and We have
32:21
to decouple. How is that done?
32:25
I'm not going to be able to change the minds of the the
32:29
Western central banks but they're going down right now,
32:32
they're they're on the verge of collapse.
32:35
And so we're going to have to rebuild, but as we rebuild,
32:40
there has to be lending is fine. Small amount of Interest or fees
32:46
is fine. But not this, this Usery, which
32:50
is Unfair. And so I just had to point it
32:54
out. This is not rocket science.
32:56
There's reasons why. We are suffering, a lot of
33:00
people are suffering, the way that they are.
33:01
Just think if people didn't have to pay all that kind of
33:04
Interest, how much more in the way of funds that they would
33:08
have available for their families for their laudable,
33:11
life projects for Urantia, projects for evangelism or
33:17
whatever they're calling is. So it's not right?
33:20
It needs to be called out and that's why I wrote that paper.
33:24
So I'm a homeowner and I signed the documents and I agreed to
33:28
the I'm not sure if I knew whether they were fair or not,
33:32
but it allowed me to get into my home, right?
33:36
So, you know, you could say, well, look, I'm the one that
33:39
signed so nobody twisted my arm but you're saying that the the
33:43
the entire premise of the Usery is unfair because it it it never
33:50
goes away. It seems right.
33:51
So but what yeah what is this expound on a little bit more for
33:56
me and for people who might share the same life Variances is
34:00
I do? You know, back in the old days
34:05
when you could buy a house for twenty or thirty thousand
34:09
dollars and I actually know somebody now who has a loan from
34:12
an individual number in my family and she's just paying
34:15
simple interest. Well, that means if the interest
34:19
is 5% and you get a loan for a hundred thousand dollars, that
34:25
just means you're going to pay five thousand dollars in simple
34:27
interest, that's the way you used to be.
34:30
But now all these four Search or large religious groupings.
34:35
I mention have caved into accepting Usery as compound
34:43
interest and when you sign that document it wasn't like you had
34:47
a lot of choice, right? Nobody else offering anything.
34:50
The only choice was going to be 3% or 4% or 5%, you know, that's
34:56
not much of a choice because once you put that into a
34:59
compound interest table, that means you're going to be plenty,
35:02
paying double. You know, by the time you end up
35:05
well actually it's even worse than that for a hundred thousand
35:08
dollar home. Over 30 years you'll end up
35:11
paying three hundred thousand in it because of the interest, you
35:14
know. Yeah, and that's just a ver
35:16
bare-bones and I can see you know, but it's I think what
35:19
you're trying to say is that there are a lot of things like
35:22
that that we have adopted into our modern capitalist
35:26
free-market society and you know but even the Urantia book, makes
35:31
it very clear that the profit motive.
35:34
Eventually is destructive. He has to be profit-making is
35:40
fine. According to what Jesus told
35:43
that stoic everybody's of deserves to make some profit
35:48
from from their labors and their invention but it has to be
35:54
within reason. It's not to take advantage of
35:58
the other person and it has to be more and more supplanted.
36:03
By the service motives are we actually serving people and
36:07
helping people? While we're making a little
36:10
profit along the way? I get it, right?
36:12
Right. Do you see that happening?
36:14
Where we become more service-oriented in the decades
36:18
to come? I mean, is this where some of
36:20
this equality and Equity is derived from that energy is
36:24
because, you know, these people feel that a more fair system and
36:29
what do they get right about that?
36:31
And what do they get wrong about that?
36:33
Well, the part that gets wrong that is being gotten wrong, is
36:38
is the idea that equality of outcomes is is a good thing to
36:43
strive for. I feel it, that's very negative
36:46
and destructive. I don't think that we can.
36:50
I don't think we have any promise or Reason to bring a
36:53
quality of outcomes because people have all different kinds
36:56
of levels of ability and interest and involvement in the
37:02
market. I saw others have very little or
37:05
less and each should be able to live their life as they want.
37:11
But the service mode of means that in our work, while we're
37:15
making a little bit of profit and this is growing, and I've
37:19
been involved in nonprofit sector for a long time,
37:23
supporting causes like that. That means that what we want to
37:27
do is we want to serve one another, and we want to help one
37:30
another it, all kinds of ways. As you know, for me it was
37:35
working at an orphanage for 20 years for somebody else.
37:38
It's something different, so whatever it is. the service mode
37:47
of will eventually bring us into a future time where money almost
37:57
become starts to become Irrelevant.
37:59
This is some time into the future.
38:01
It's almost like a Star Trek future.
38:03
Yeah. But you know, that is where it's
38:06
going right now. We need to bring more fairness,
38:10
not equality of outcomes, but equality's of opportunity that
38:16
support everyone in their lot of a life projects and the ability
38:21
to work at a job. And make a living and put a
38:24
family together. A lot of people, a lot of young
38:27
people now are so saddled with college debt that they can't
38:31
even buy a home. And if they can't buy a home,
38:34
then they're reluctant to get married.
38:37
And if they don't get married, they don't have children and
38:39
then they don't have families and it's very destructive.
38:44
So it does make a difference. Yeah.
38:47
So let's talk about family for a moment Joshua.
38:50
I see a d infa sizing of the family, which is according to
38:55
the two, most favorite parts of your Ranch, a book in the third
38:59
section on marriage. That's where so much of
39:04
characters, established morality ethics, altruism it all starts
39:09
in the home and it starts with siblings learning that they're
39:12
not the center of the universe. It's learning to be loyal.
39:17
That's where we learned to be loyal.
39:19
It's learned where we learned. So many I'm so grateful that
39:23
when I think about that I had a I had a pretty decent growing
39:27
up. I mean it wasn't perfect but I'm
39:30
glad that those first six seven years were how they were because
39:34
it is literally true you do. Because, you know, I was raised
39:38
in a family of four for kids, three kids, one from a different
39:43
father and we did learn self sacrifice.
39:47
We weren't Rich, we were somewhat on the lower Spectrum
39:51
so you know, you value things and you know so but if you don't
39:55
have that if that's not how you start out and it seems like the
40:01
in phasis on family now is nothing that it's almost - the
40:07
way that Society portrays, it's like the nuclear family is a bad
40:13
word. Your thoughts on that?
40:17
It's like a three-legged stool. Your actual book says the three
40:21
pillars of society. R.
40:26
Family Church and School. for you Ranch book, readers church
40:33
for us means what we're doing right here, getting together
40:37
with people having study groups having conferences, having
40:41
Institutes and then we have school.
40:46
Our children must be educated young children, high schoolers
40:52
college, students. We have to have a high degree of
40:55
Education in order to Balance Kuwait, and create equilibrium
41:01
and society, and we need the home.
41:07
And so, without these three, if you pull, any one of those legs
41:11
out, from underneath the three-legged stool, You're not
41:14
going to be able to have a place to sit.
41:17
There's an assault on the family, there's an assault on
41:21
man and it's very serious and combined with the financial
41:28
difficulties that I described where family formation is
41:32
becoming more difficult. The result is that the family as
41:38
you describe that you grew up in and, which is similar, to what I
41:42
grew up in a family of four children and back in those days,
41:47
it was kind of the Leave it to Beaver.
41:49
Yeah. Sorry for the Existence and it
41:51
was a great way to grow up. I want this for my own children
41:56
and for the 770 children that I helped raise it, the children's
42:02
home. This is our goal, teach the
42:04
children. Get them involved in sports,
42:07
teach them how to pray, get them involved in some kind of church
42:11
activities, whatever that might be, and create a home
42:16
environment where people have regular meals together where
42:20
they read and study together. Do things together and build up
42:27
a rich, wonderful, family life without that.
42:31
Well, we're not going to have much of a civilization.
42:40
So, those are the three pillars home school and church.
42:47
Their goal stated very well stated look, these are like,
42:50
basic principle Concepts when I hear, you know, my kids, I don't
42:56
want to have kids or when I hear other people talking about.
42:59
Well, not everybody is intended to have kids, you know?
43:03
And or they come out with news reports though it cost you three
43:05
hundred thousand dollars to raise.
43:07
Raise a kid. That's right. - like what why
43:11
are you putting a monetary cost on something and so people today
43:15
think I, you know, kids aren't important but The dynamic of
43:18
parenting is just as valuable to the parent as the dynamic of
43:23
being a child is valuable, right?
43:26
Because again, you're learning sacrifice service.
43:30
Oh, I don't want to go to another softball game but you
43:33
go, oh, I don't want to go see music night at the school.
43:36
Oh, but you go right and it makes, you know, so it's such a,
43:41
I mean, I hate to like, even talk about it because it's so
43:44
basic, but it seems like it's It's being forgotten and that's
43:48
why I wanted to talk about it. So under assault Thunder
43:53
assault. And it's not as if you know the
43:56
other thing that someone brought this to me as well and I will
44:00
share this with you and maybe we shouldn't talk about it.
44:03
But you know, there's this movement towards transgenderism
44:07
which to me it seems as if what we've done is we've adopted an
44:11
emotional disorder and made it trendy.
44:17
You know, the idea that you're born into the wrong body, is for
44:21
someone to feel that way is, is all the signs of somebody who is
44:26
not comfortable with who they are.
44:28
And that's, that's the issue. Why isn't this person cuffed
44:31
comfortable with, who they are? What happened to this person?
44:35
Where they feel like they have to somehow escape from
44:38
themselves? You know, the Urantia book says
44:41
and I'm sure the Bible and other books.
44:43
Say two things you can't run from yourself.
44:45
Often God, it's like transgenderism.
44:48
Seems to be running from yourself.
44:52
You know, you're running from whoever it is that you are
44:54
underneath because we're not flesh.
44:56
I mean, you know, our outer shells are not representative of
45:00
our true potential. But anyway, any thoughts on
45:03
that? The I'm for I promote, everybody
45:10
having a personal relationship with God and that means yeah not
45:15
running from oneself or running from God.
45:19
That is the answer to the identity crisis this happening
45:25
in the world. My only caveat Jim is that
45:31
Children. Should not be guided into.
45:39
Anything especially not poverty blockers or surgery.
45:45
They can't make that decision about what their identity is as
45:51
children. We have an obligation as adults
45:54
as a society, as parents as friends to protect children
46:00
until they can get to the age where they can make their own
46:04
decisions. So that's pretty much my thigh.
46:09
People are free to pursue whatever kind of Life Direction,
46:15
seems right to them. And I plead with everybody of
46:18
all different straight As of society to seek and find a
46:22
personal relationship with God. If these are children, my strong
46:28
opinion is they must be nurtured and Grow Up Normally and
46:33
naturally not be guided into anything that will cause them to
46:38
regret changes with the natural unfolding of their sexuality,
46:44
whatever that might be. We'll wait and see how that
46:47
turns out. But let's not take 3 and 5 and
46:51
10 year olds and be telling them that there's something other
46:57
Then their birth sex, let's let that play out and then they can
47:02
make that decision for themselves later.
47:04
And by the way, for people listening, this is coming from a
47:07
guy who has he mentioned a rather humbly?
47:10
He's raised 700 children. Okay?
47:13
Okay. That's right.
47:14
I think he might have a thing or two to offer on this subject,
47:18
okay? Final question.
47:20
And let me tell you something. We're going to end this segment
47:23
Josh, with your music. Because you're a damn good
47:27
musician and I listened to what you told me to listen to were
47:31
you sad that Ramsey Lewis past. Oh, that was a shock of course
47:35
for all of us wasn't it? He's a great.
47:38
I love him. The In Crowd is one of my
47:40
favorite songs grammy-winning grammy-winning to.
47:43
They didn't mention that. But yeah, what a what a great
47:46
you love music? Are you going to be a Celestial
47:49
Artisan? Are you going to volunteer for
47:51
that service when the time comes?
47:54
I really look forward to spending time with beings like
47:57
that and Celestial Artisans. Sometimes I feel like From time
48:04
to time, they have come down and touched upon the Earth and I've
48:08
gotten some inspiration. I think other musicians have
48:13
said similar things. Yeah, I look forward to that and
48:15
also the conductors of worship, you know, to me, that's our
48:19
highest. And, and first calling, and I
48:22
just love being involved in worship, many times, leading
48:28
worship at conferences. And so, so on and so forth.
48:33
It's a Wonderful, Wonderful Life having that musical component in
48:38
there. I'm not a very good musician but
48:42
I sense the wonderful feeling of unity when you're playing with
48:46
other people and there's that synchronicity that happens and
48:50
it comes out of nowhere and it's a beautiful thing.
48:53
It really is, it's just sort of touching is Immanuel.
48:57
Kant would say it's touching Divine Divinity.
48:59
Just a little bit and it's a pretty cool.
49:01
So let's end it on that note. I'll play some music that you
49:04
shared with me and I like this people are very responsive to
49:09
you. And it's easy to see why.
49:12
So I thank you for joining me again.
49:14
This time, I think our fourth appearance now here on the ranch
49:17
Radio podcast. So any final thoughts, anything
49:20
that you want to promote that you're involved with the paper
49:25
that you mentioned user. He is a revolutionary act.
49:29
And also my book inner Mansions, which talks about ascending the
49:34
psychic circles. These are all available for free
49:39
and many many. There's by writing me at musical
49:43
at Cox dotnet mus acal at c0x, dotnet always answer every
49:53
communication that I received. As I did the last time we were
49:56
on, I really love it. Hearing from people and I'll
50:00
always respond promptly as promised.
50:03
I leave you now with a piece from Joshua and his Dave Brubeck
50:07
tribute performance also featuring fellow Ban performers,
50:11
Adam Clark on, dramas, Ruthie Wild on vocals and cello
50:15
Christina Seaborn violin, Jacob Silverman on base and brother,
50:19
Joshua on piano closing out this edition of the Rancher Radio
50:23
podcast.